Red Pill Theory50 More Shades of Red - Wisdom for Men (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan

50 Maxims on the nature of women and man's relationship with her. Easy-to-read and broken down, I'll share the first 10 with you here:

IM MAXIM #101 – A woman’s charm comes from her happiness, a man’s, from his confidence. An inconsolable woman’s as unattractive as a timid man.

IM MAXIM #102 – Men must earn value, women must preserve it. It is because of this very reason a woman’s age is taboo whilst a man’s is not. The passage of time fares man better than woman.

IM MAXIM #103 – If you’re pining for a girl, next her. You’ve already lost, for it is she who should be pining for you. Be the prize, not the contestant, prizes never lose, contestants often do.

IM MAXIM #104 – Women play men like Mozart played piano. Men manipulate nature, women manipulate men. Civilization is man’s project, man is woman’s.

IM MAXIM #105 – Narcissism is a suit well-worn by a man, but one ill-fitting on a woman. Male narcissism is attractive to women, but female narcissism is not to man. Corollary: men with dark triad mothers are attracted to narcissistic women.

IM MAXIM #106 – A man must be more narcissistic than a women to attract her. In cultures which worship women, the average woman is more narcissistic than her male counterpart, where this occurs, great swathes of men are deemed unattractive.

IM MAXIM #107 – A difference in narcissism (female gratitude and male arrogance) is the great equaliser between the beauty of the feminine form, and the lack thereof common to men. When women are equally if not more narcissistic than men, such an equaliser vanishes. Being grandiose never hindered a man’s chances of getting laid.

IM MAXIM #108 – Give a woman less attention than she wants, and she will desire it. Give her as much of it as she wants, and she will not. Women quickly devalue the attention of a man who would attend to her every whim, so be frugal; it is easy for a man to be too generous, but near impossible for him to be too frugal.

IM MAXIM #109 – In matters of women, entitlement and worthiness is a matter of false equivalence; her level of entitlement almost always exceeds what she is worth.

IM MAXIM #110 – If she can find a way to blame a man for her decisions, she will. If she can find a way to avoid guilt, she will. Oft these two intertwine, for women are allergic to responsibility and loathe to be held accountable.

If you want the rest:



This is part 3 in my maxims series.

Part 2 can be found here: http://illimitablemen.com/2015/07/23/fifty-shades-redder/

Part 1 can be found here: http://illimitablemen.com/2015/07/17/fifty-shades-of-red/

Will there be a part 4? Never say never.

[–]OneStringedMonkey 95 points96 points  (8 children)

IM MAXIM #122 – Women loathe being sexually objectified by lesser men, crafting their disgust for the unworthy into a veneer of moral superiority. Yet hidden within this guise of upright disgust is a most depraved desire to be objectified by men of power. Weak men get nothing, powerful men get perversions.

[–]metallica11 45 points46 points  (1 child)

talk about "this maxim resonates with me". I had a mind bending experience with this in my early years (19-20) with self described feminists. I was scrawny little shit with practically little or no physical or social SMV. I remember telling one of the girls in this group (who I was friends with) that her friend looked really good in her dress. She immediately proceeded to lecture me on objectifying women, and that her friend felt very uncomfortable that I had made that comment. I was labeled a creeper by the group and was an "objectifier of women" Subsequently, she ignored me as well as the group for weeks and I had to deal with this stigma. The whole time, I am apologizing and it only makes things worse and worse. A few months later, I am talking to this guy at a party (yes. yes..a CHAD) who was actually really friendly/cool shared his booze with me talked about music etc. Tells me that he fucked this girl at a party recently. How he got her was she was making eye contact with him at a party back and forth, he went up to her..and just starting making out while grabbing her ass right in front of everyone..then up to the bedroom to fuck her while telling her she is a sexy as hell with a nice ass. He showed me a picture. it was the same girl.

That was my first exposure to the pathway that led me to first Pick Up Artistry/Seduction and later the red pill community.

[–]CornyHoosier 18 points19 points  (0 children)

We've all seen it happen a hundred times.

The hate we see from others is because we're not natural alphas. They can't get past seeing the anger and hate to see the deeper lessons.

You and I are now changed. We saw there was a problem with ourselves and decided to change. I feel like that's an understated value. I've seen people my entire life who keep doing the same damn things and expecting different results.

We studied who we wanted to be like and emulated those traits. We left the PC fairy tale and gave it the finger on the way out. We men here are an announcement to the world that we saw what was happening and we didn't need anyone else but the confidence in ourselves to move forward.

However, when you spit in the face authority, you can expect a harsh reaction. But we're men. We're a brotherhood. We're a people that have endured a crucible that no woman can possibly understand.

[–]evileddy 16 points17 points  (2 children)

It's very easy to detect once you go from dating girls who see you as a chump.. to dating girls who see you as a stud.

"I don't put out on the first few dates" turns into "I'm so wet right now..I don't normally do this on a first date.."


[–]njjj3o2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I was trying to fuck this girl once and she told me that she doesn't sleep with guys she just met. She fucked my buddy who she also just met 10 minutes later.

[–]evileddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then you just say "Ok" and make out with her harder.

[–]5t3fan0 6 points7 points  (0 children)

in the matters of social interactions (and expecially if sexual) what matters most is always ones value, worth or SMV

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fixed that, thanks for the spot I appreciate it.

[–]WhySoRuff 56 points57 points  (36 children)

IM MAXIM #105 – Narcissism is a suit well-worn by a man, but one ill-fitting on a woman. Male narcissism is attractive to women, but female narcissism is not to man. Corollary: men with dark triad mothers are attracted to narcissistic women.

I will flesh out how this actually works. It's known as the madonna/whore complex. A narcissistic woman who has a daughter and a son for example molds each one differently.

The girl is brought up to feel she is worth her weight in diamonds and gold, an entitled narcissist. She is taught how to weild her feminine wiles effectively and early on.

The boy is raised to be heroic and self sacrificing. He is trained that only through submitting to women (his mother is the first), will he get the attention/approval that he seeks.

The mother conditions the boy to believe that she is a saint that can do no wrong. She is the all knowing, intuitive force in his life. Is he crying? Well he must be hungry! Here is some nourishment. Cookies missing from the cookie jar? The boy obviously stole them. The mother stays two steps ahead of the boy while the boy is in amazement at his mom's superpowers. This is the madonna.

What he fails to realize is that she is much older than him, it's obvious she would anticipate her child's needs and outsmart him at every turn.

The front that she puts on seems like the only component to her personality. She is an asexual saint! The cocks she sucked in her youth or the manipulations she executed to land the boys father are not even considered by the boy. The men she fucks while the dad is at work are done in secret. Even if he suspects something, the mother manipulates the boy to believe otherwise. This is the whore (or the lack of one in his eyes).

To make matters worse, the boys father is also under her spell and supplicates to her without much resistance. This reinforces to the boy and his sister that men are lesser and must submit to a woman.

Additionally, she will manipulate the boy to attend to her every whim or her love and affection will be witheld. This programming results in a full grown man that will never rock the boat in a relationship, he will spend time and money on his madonna until the woman who is not that interested in sex, will honor him with her warm vagina.

The boy ofcourse marries another manipulative woman who programs their kids the same way; the daughter marries a man who was programmed by his mother in the same fashion and she manipulates their kids: the cycle continues.

If your interested more on this subject and an overall great read debunking patriarchal oppression, I recommend the book "The anatomy of female power."

[–]ArcadesRed 20 points21 points  (28 children)

Wow, you know my mom? In my case though at around 15 I started realizing how self severing her actions were. The result ended up being that I feel a rush of rage whenever a woman poorly attempts to control me. Every woman attempts it, they cant help themselves, but wanting something from me I find cute, trying to control my actions never ends well. My mothers tool of choice was guilt. Even LTR's will get plated or completely dropped, sometimes on one attempt to manipulate me. Funny part is, I warn them up front about my reaction to guilting, and they always try it eventually. Same with sex is not a currency. But in 18 years of dating. One of those two hard stops always get pushed eventually, and they are surprised as hell when I just walk away.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 22 points23 points  (17 children)

Most people always focus on the negative when it comes to being raised by a Narc.

I personally thank my mom. It stunted me in ways but in a lot of ways it gave me razor sharp abilities in other areas.

Girl tries to manipulate me. "Ha bitch, I've been handling this shit since I was 10". Like playing baseball with little league'ers.

I can spot a narc from a mile away now.

I'm also hyper vigilant of emotions due to walking on eggshells half my life. I can see how people are feeling, couple that with the fact that I'm a textbook ENTP(empathy is a weakness for them) and I can dissect your entire enter workings and emotions. Where they come from and how to help them, use them or disregard them because I can see their perspective or have seen it 10 times before.

Being raised by a narc isn't all bad.

[–]shadowchicken85 7 points8 points  (9 children)

You should make a post about your experiences, and give tips on how men can spot a narc.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 9 points10 points  (8 children)

I'll see what I can do but it's not an easy topic to cover. It's something rooted into me at such a young age that it's pure intuition now. Hard to actualize it or verbalize it. I can just look at someone and know within a few minutes off how they conduct themselves.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Aren't most women narcissistic?

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Narcissism is a spectrum, everyone has it to a degree. Just like everyone also fall into the autism spectrum, we just define a certain range of these spectrum as normal, then anything abnormal is labeled with it's specific traits, like BPD, sociopath, psychopath, autistic, Asperger, sevant, etc.

You yourself are narcissistic to a degree, it's not an on/off switch.

[–]redrick_schuhart 1 point2 points  (4 children)

If you could give us a run down, many of us would appreciate it enormously.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'll put it on my list of articles to write but it will probably be a few weeks to flesh it out. I've got a lot of articles on the back burner already and this definitely a topic that will be difficult to articulate. Usually I run with what's currently being talked about.

[–]redrick_schuhart 1 point2 points  (2 children)

If I'm honest with myself I just want a 'cheat sheet' for other people's behavior without having to get the experience the hard way as you have. If you have the time and the inclination, great.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately social interactions can't be learned through textbooks, just like game the only way to get better is to experience it.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just want a 'cheat sheet'

No such thing with the depth of this type of intuition, or how we handle other personalities. Best thing to do is understand the breakdowns.


[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's something rooted into me at such a young age

ENTP here from a Narc mother, very BP father. I have attempted for decades to put that "intuition" into words.

[–]CornyHoosier 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I personally thank my mom. It stunted me in ways but in a lot of ways it gave me razor sharp abilities in other areas.

Girl tries to manipulate me. "Ha bitch, I've been handling this shit since I was 10". Like playing baseball with little league'ers.

WHile I agree. Don't forget that while you have the perception, the hard part is not supplicating to the manipulation. Most people are smart enough to see what's happening but they come up with their own internal excuses as to why they will follow the manipulator.

I dated a violent and psychotic abuser for awhile. It took me far too long to get away from her and it wasn't until a female friend of mine saw all the bruising that she helped me end it. Even with her help I "relapsed" back to that woman a few times.

No one suspects a 5'4 120 lbs woman in her mid-twenties has the ability to mentally and physically abuse a 6'4 265 lbs man in his mid-twenties.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Why didn't you just hit her back or leave?

[–]marinewannabee97 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the problem is that she could go crying to the police, lie through her teeth. What does our friend stand to gain? Up to a few years in prison.

[–]OlanValesco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Emotions are not to be reasoned with, only manipulated.

[–]camey36 2 points3 points  (2 children)

New to TRP - you just described my life in a few sentences. I had never linked what i considered to be "special talents" to being raised my a narc mother. I could read faces and emotions accurately and can spot a narcissist from a mile away.

My semi-retarded friends are always puzzled by my abilities. In the club, i could tell which one is which and could accurately predict the outcome of my friends' interactions by just looking at the girl: "This girl will waste your time - just move on". "This girl is just enjoying the validation and attention and will soon leave you - you must next her", i tell my emotionally unintelligent friends. My predictions had never failed me. This is truly a gift unique to sons of narc mothers.

We could benefit from your wisdom, (us sons of narc mothers). Clint, you need to post more - it's a much needed topic.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I feel you, I can scan a room an in 3 sec of eye contact tell if a chicks into me or not. Makes pickup super easy.

[–]camey36 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is insane. I do the same - it takes me seconds to scan girls and can immediately spot the one that is into me. Like i said, i never linked it to being raised by a narc mother. Dude you just gave me the biggest Aha moment. Any resources to expand on this that helped you recover/ learn...books, therapy..etc?

[–]SeriousAccount0 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Can you give me some examples of women trying to manipulate you? I'm trying to find examples of when my (soon-to-be-ex) wife does/has done the same thing to me.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Most common from women is using shame to get people to do shit. They'll make you feel bad about some shit because they want something. It's hard to give specific examples because it's all contextual.

Another less common method in women today is the opposite of shame but actually charm. It can take many forms like being hyper hospitality, always doing things for you, always helping you, then they flip it and use your innate guilt to get you to do things. Grandma's will do this usually but I've seen young women learn it. It's kind of a relic tactic from a bygone era. It's a less... immoral manipulation but still manipulation to get other to do things. Or the classic one where a women will use sex appeal or flirting to string guys along and get them to do shit. That's the classic beta bucks but not the only method women use.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To expand, they may project their issue at you and attempt to manipulate you into believing it is actually your issue.

  • If you are charitable, she claims you are selfish.

-Like to think before you speak? She will demand "NOW" answers.

-She may compare you to something she knows you dislike. (an Ex for example)


[–]kamenr 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I've put together a spreadsheet that has about 36 different types of manipulation. If you google the topic, you will find a lot of pages on the web that enumerate manipulation strategies. Once you can attach a name to the strategy you begin to see it as it's happening.

[–]SeriousAccount0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where can I find this spreadsheet?

[–]Stythe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My ex pulled a lot of this. Some really good ones are the fact that she would claim to be a nudist, be naked around many of my friends and then tell me I was jealous when I objected. She also had videos of her fucking her ex on her laptop that she refused to delete, telling me she wouldn't do it because she doesn't want to be bossed around and saying she's never watched them. There's a lot of little things too, like guilt tripping. For example she never did dishes or cleaned despite me working all day, then when I said something about it she would try and tell me we both eat the food so I should do them because she cooked. Eventually I realized almost everything she said was bullshit, but I fell for it because I had no real confidence.

You spot these by noticing the times when you are argued with despite only trying to help or stand up for yourself with no intent to cause harm. Also, pay attention to little negative comments or people who seem to understand how others work. Stories like how they made someone feel a certain way through their actions.

[–]ArcadesRed 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Any time you feel like you want to do something for them. Take a step back and think very hard on your reasoning. It was easy for me to learn because my grandmother, mother, and two sisters are all the same woman in different points in their lives. Catching them in manipulation was as easy as saying no for no good reason and waiting to see if they changed approach.

When younger this worked all the time. My mother would dig into the mud "figuratively" then drag me down with her. Then when I would start to defend myself she would instantly teleport her argument to a pristine white bridged high road. Then turn everything upside down and act the martyr to shame me into doing whatever it was she wanted to begin with. This worked as a child very well because I didnt want to hurt my mother or make her sad. Now it sends me into a frothing rage that ends in me not speaking to her for months. She has learned to stop. My grand mother learned when I threatened to send her to an old folks home. I was 100% serious, I make a lot of money now contracting overseas and bought my parents home years ago. She was living with them. And in my teens, being angry at my mother turned me into a tyrant and my sisters never dared. I still get angry just talking about it.

I would say most of the manipulation stems from some sort of call to a guys honor/pride or need to take care of the women around him. Could just be the type I am hyper sensitive to. But twisting a conversation, or situation to make it look like she is stressed and you can only fix it by doing X (90% of the time she will lead you to think this, not say it outright), or because you failed to do something and she can only feel better if you do Y, or because she has been doing so much, you need to do Z to make up for it.

For me, the warning is when ever I dont want to fling myself into a task for a person whole hardheartedly. I start to rethink the reasons I am doing it to begin with. The answer is normally easy to see. And for gods sake, any threat/reward scenario is a gigantic red flag in a relationship. At that point she is being to lazy to even hide it, she already thinks of you as property.

It scared me a little though. I cant give gifts during holidays anymore. My mind rages at the thought of being told I am supposed to give someone something, anything. Its funny though, because I am known for giving thoughtful or needed gifts at just the right time the rest of the year.

[–]WhySoRuff 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't know your mom but I know two brothers who were once very close to me with a dark triad mother. She not only caused irreparable damage to our relationship but their lives as masculine men. I've deconstructed the damage she caused in hindsight thanks to TRP.

The only way to overcome the madonna/whore complex is for the man to realize they are one in the same, they exist in the same person.

Keep on keeping on.

[–]ArcadesRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Madonna/whore complex never was my problem, woman or man I take them as they are. I just could never figure out how my girlfriends could act like an adult and a spoiled child at damned near the same time. Then when I would call them on the bullshit it would somehow be my fault. Lots of anger. TRP helped me understand the concept of most responsible teenager in the room. Understanding hit me like a hammer when I learned of it. Life has been a hell of a lot easier even sense.

[–]aholeguy 13 points14 points  (0 children)

". He is trained that only through submitting to women (his mother is the first), will he get the attention/approval that he seeks."

I was laughing with my wife last night about my 15 year old son changing his siri voice to a man because he does not like taking orders from women.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sounds like you're well versed in the intricacies inherent to the Madonna-whore complex, am I correct in this assessment? I very much enjoyed this comment, top notch!

[–]WhySoRuff 4 points5 points  (0 children)

IM, life leads you to learn things you should have never had a need to know.


[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree, a narcissistic mother will raise a son believing that everything is about her. Then as the boy gets older and starts applying that knowledge to girls he wants to date, well we all know how that turns out. congrats to you for figuring it all out, it's a hell of a journey to get there. No different than a lot of us I suppose, we all went through some type of hell to get here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i fell exactly the way you're saying.... and i was raising by a single mother, now everything makes sense.

[–]Brodinslats 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That would be my mother but it goes two ways for in my case as I slowly figured it out it created a naturally machiavellian mentality to counter everything she did

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (23 children)

Natural narcissist here.

You do make great points, but I do not agree with you about that part. True narcissism makes you having huge, fragile, insecure ego. You demand to be respected. You believe the spotlight is on you all the time, which puts unnecessary pressure... truth is, nobody gives a shit about you.

There's good parts of it, like demonstrative body language all the time and having self-love(which may be confused with confidence and self-esteem, hence women are attracted to it), but truly the subconscious reason behind that is getting validation and attention from people, feeding the ego(narcissism). It destroys you and makes you unhappy.

Narcissism IS NOT a good thing.

[–]jimmyb207 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I worked with a guy who had the most severe case of narcissism I have ever experienced. I called him the Living Superlative. You literally needed a jet plane to get around this guys ego. He was a chronic liar. Everything he bought for himself was the most expensive one could buy. And he bought an obscene amount of shit for himself. Everything in his life was the best, the most, the longest, the biggest...on and on.

He was incapable of allowing someone to walk by, especially women, without demanding their attention by shouting , banging on something, what ever it took. He had the loudest voice, the loudest forced laugh. He was 6 foot tall and still had a severe case of little guys disease.

His entire life is spent in a constant state of comparing himself to the guy that is standing closest to him.

He finally went down in flames...in his mind he was the most valued employee. In his mind he deserved a paycheck simply for showing up. In reality he was the biggest fuck off the company had ever dealt with. He was going to show them who was boss...he gave management his two weeks notice fully expecting them to come crawling on their knees begging him back. It never happened. Two weeks went by, they showed him out the door and told him not to come back. Good bye Asshole.

How I would hate to be him.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He sounds like hardcore case indeed. But honestly you can't be mad at such person, he lives very sad life, pretending to be happy(and the right) one.

[–]ChadFuckingThunder 4 points5 points  (13 children)

It's not so black and white, mate. The narcissism is a scale from not at all to full blown narcissist. Some degree of narcissism is good, but you can have too much of a good thing.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (7 children)

I can't agree with you. Men don't need narcissism.

Narcissism is fragile. Its ego. Ego needs to be fed. You need to feed it constantly. You are depended on it. This is NOT what you want.

What men need is masculinity. Confidence, self-esteem and independence are the main parts that build it, not the ego.

[–]ChadFuckingThunder 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Body is fragile and needs to be fed. So is success. So is confidence. So what? It is an everlasting struggle. If you don't work out for a while your body becomes soft and unatractive. It goes for anything else.

It's easier to have confidence if you think good of yourself. It also gives you courage to try new things.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Your argument is invalid and I'll tell you why.

Feeding the body is necessary. Your body wont function properly and up to his potential if you don't eat properly, it results in optimal performance for both your body and brain. Do the opposite of that and you'll die.

However feeding the ego on the other side has the opposite affect for you, it makes functioning properly impossible.

Your life becomes centered around the ego. Your actions, your beliefs, you LIVE to feed it, so you feel some sort of fulfillment in your life.

So how do you fill and feed it? By lying, overstating your actions on others, trying to force yourself on others, demanding respect from others, not admitting faliture and learning from it. All of that to look good and better, WHILE YOU ARE NOT.

Ego is fragile, insecure and makes you compare with others constantly, it will put you down, the more you feed it the more it will eat you up from the inside.

Does that sound like a good thing to you? Does that sound "alpha" to you?

I hope i was clear enough, good luck.

[–]ChadFuckingThunder 3 points4 points  (2 children)

It motivates me when comparing with others. I see other people's success and I realise it is possible to do great things.

Maybe there is ego good food and ego junk food.

Good food is feeling good about accomplishments, overcoming a hard task and stuff like that. Feel good because you became better.

And junk food is lies, deceit and overstatements in order to look good. It might work for a while, but the crash is hard.

You still are black and white on the issue.

Like I said, there is a scale to narcissism and some of it might be beneficial, too much will be damning.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

It motivates me when comparing with others. I see other people's success and I realise it is possible to do great things.

That's a good thing, but as narcissist you see competition as bad thing, not as motivator. Since your ego is kinda like a fixed mindset and you believe you are perfect, but when reality kicks in and you see you're not it kicks you in the balls.

Good food is feeling good about accomplishments, overcoming a hard task and stuff like that. Feel good because you became better.

This is also a good thing, acknowledging your success and getting motivated from it, but It's not relatable to the ego, when it comes to ego feeding, you WILL DO ANYTHING to think you're successful or make people think you are, just to feed it.

You still are black and white on the issue.

That's right, narcissism and ego does NOT have good sides to it.

[–]FlatulentWeirdo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Your logic is based on the contingency that feeding or acknowledging your ego is bad. The ego is part of our psyche. There's a balance and healthy dose of ego feeding. Its not all or nothing. If you give into ego then this will happen And that will lead to this- that's a logic fallacy, it's uncertain exactly what will happen and to who.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never said acknowledging is bad, in fact first step to handling it is acknowledging the issue and working on it.

What do you consider healthy dose of ego feeding? Some people apparently believe narcissism is acknowledging your success and getting motivated from it, but trust me, those are TWO COMPLETELY different things.

Narcissist personalities are getting motivated by outside sources as well as getting validation and attention, not from your own ACTUAL success, which you will usually exaggerate if you are narcissistic.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

"Some degree of narcissism"? And that is...?

[–]Manducor 4 points5 points  (3 children)

For instance, IM explains that in order for one to become narcissistic one must develop value feedback loops. You lift, you get shredded, this brings female attention and now you have a feedback loop. This concept works for anything that generates value, drawing, extreme hobbies, music production, anything that gets you noticed will provide a source for a feedback loop. To imply that humans don't desire such attention to some degree is idiotic. In one way shape or form people get their egos fed.

[–]ChadFuckingThunder 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Couldn't have said it better myself. It's normal if you enjoy the recognition from your environment and think better of yourself. It's ok to be proud of your past achievements as it is to feel shame for failures. Everyone needs a bit of narcissism.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But it is not narcissism, not yet at least. Narcissism may appear after what you've described, but it doesn't have to. One may be aware of increased female attention, perceive it as something vain and "reject" it, so it doesn't disturbs his mind. Another may start to think that he's a sex god and fall into self-admiration etc.
I was curious what "Chad..." had on mind writing about "some degree of narcissism", because I wonder whether he cofuses "narcissism" with mere care about yourself or it's something different.
Since there's a great difference between sympathy to yourself and narcissism...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While i agree with you...

Being aware of your results(feedback) and being happy with them and having the motivation to go on isn't ego. It's self-awareness.

[–]InvictusCor 1 points1 points [recovered]

Who would you say are some of the biggest narcissists in western media currently or in the past? So I can visualize just the kind of people we're talking about.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Kanye West: Dysfunctional infantile psychotic narcissist that /u/delux_bg sees as the quintessential narcissist, and thus writes off narcissism in its entirety.

Donald Trump, functional achievement-based narcissist with none of the internal psychotic problems Kanye West has.

Difference between an achievement based narcissist and one who was raised that way due to shitty parenting is absolutely miles apart from one another, the prior is desirable and arguably quite necessary, whilst the latter is detestable and in no shape or form desirable.

Narcissism is diverse and intricate and people have strong opinions on it.

[–]icelander12 1 points1 points [recovered]

Then there's the phony narcissist. One of my oldest friends is one of these. Always laughing the loudest (fake laugh usually, mired in insecurity). Always has some new philosophy about life and the people in his. Constantly harping on the made-up fantasy rock he lives under. Day after day, sending me pictures of the newest, hottest girl he's with, even though it's hardly ever real. I pretend to believe his nonsense even though I'm pretty sure even he knows everyone thinks he's a complete joke. 32 and hasn't worked in like 10 years, but is always right about everything in the world and seeking agreement from everyone (actually just me, because no one else talks to him anymore). Graduated from a shit-tier college, but 5 years later went to some 1 month long film seminar at NYU. Guess where he went to school? NYU.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

He sounds like an infantile narcissist, similar psychology to narcissistic women with low self-esteem.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is there a source that lays this stuff out somewhere? That you're aware of? I find it really interesting. Thanks in advance.

[–]marinewannabee97 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yes it is. If not for narcissism I would like a caricature of a daesh militant. Greasy black hair, uin-brow, misshapen and yellowed teeth Osama beard and carpet of bodyhair. I pluck my brow, take care of my hair, body and skin and whiten my teeth. Now tell me what is better, to look vaugely Italian/Greek or look like a full blown camelfucker?

[–]ImHereAtLast 18 points18 points [recovered]

So, IM.... when will you be finished with your book?

...you're writing a book, right...?

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

...you're writing a book, right...?

I am, and it will drop... [eventually]

[–]Redasshole 2 points3 points  (4 children)

He isnt even really writing a book, he wants to put together his posts (and I guess he is going to add some stuff)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So like Rollo Tomassi then?

[–]ImHereAtLast 1 points1 points [recovered]

Sweet. Any idea on a release date?

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 21 points22 points  (0 children)

IM MAXIM #108 – Give a woman less attention than she wants... it is easy for a man to be too generous, but near impossible for him to be too frugal.

This is true so long as his SMV is sufficiently high in her perception. The attention bottom for a high SMV woman is higher in a sexual marketplace with many equal or better options, and rises if his SMV slips for any reason.

The minimum a man can "get away with," averaged over several relationships, is a market indicator of his SMV.

[–]dmystery 4 points5 points  (2 children)

"IM MAXIM #101 – A woman’s charm comes from her happiness, a man’s, from his confidence. An inconsolable woman’s as unattractive as a timid man."

Why are some guys attracted to depressed women then? The Captain "Save-a-hoe" type mentality? The guys who think they can turn a hoe into a lady [cough, cough Pretty Lady cough, cough]

[–]ArkAngelEV 2 points3 points  (1 child)

cuz those dudes are broken or at the very least maladjusted

[–]Hoodwink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or grew up religious. There's a couple of porn stars doing a 'born again' tour where they tell a bunch of teenage boys (and girls) that they should marry and forgive 34 year old retired porn stars. A lot of the female-run 'Churches' are the ones that advocate and pay for this shit.

The girls probably get the message early on to shame and control their men and to do anything they want.

[–]FerociousOreos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I always enjoy your writing. It's captivating and informative for those of us who are on the right path, but could always use another wrench in our toolbox. Great content.

[–]MeatCurtainRod 2 points3 points  (2 children)

In cultures which worship women, the average woman is more narcissistic than her male counterpart, where this occurs, great swathes of men are deemed unattractive.

So much gold here, but this statement is something so many boys in the millennial generation needs to understand, before it is too late. Worse is the western culture makes women to be gods. No question about it. This entire generation of boys really need to stop putting women up on the pedestal like that. They say they don't, but they fucking do.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The problem in this culture is 'boys' do not have male figures in their lives who talk to them. They're often raised by a single mother and even when the father is in the household, he can't even talk to his own children without the mother getting involved. Back home, your uncles/older cousins etc will speak to you like an adult from the time you're 5 years old.

[–]mrrooftops 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Spray this stuff on you like a cologne and wear it every day.

[–]Mudmen12 3 points4 points  (0 children)

thank you for your consistency

[–]LazyMagus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love this. Great amounts of wisdom and information packed in short and concise statements is very refreshing!

[–]Fly_Swim 1 point2 points  (11 children)

In 50 shades, of fucking course it said he has a big dick. Every girl ever has called me small at 5.8 x 5.3. Thus proving 100% of online dick size studies to be lies and PC garbage. Will you please tell me your girth as its the eternal secret that a straight guy never ever can know?

[–]1skittles_man 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Completely average cocksman here. Do you know how many girls have told me I have the biggest and best dick in the world? Yet when shit goes south, suddenly I'm a small dicked loser. Just fuck them the way you want to. Who cares if they say you have a small cock. Civilization wasn't built on the opinions of women.

Also, I'd look into the sex god method if you're really that insecure.

[–]Fly_Swim -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

Its mostly that since every girl ive been with has been with a thick 9 incher, their pussies are slightly stretched out/worn out so I just get less friction and sensation than most every other guy, I get less value from sex, so i should expend less resources towards it than every other guy but cannot, so im paying a lot for little reward (unsatisfying to the girl) (every pussy could be much smaller to me) so i am forced to have sex less or not at all in order to prevent getting a raw deal (better uses of my time[like fulfulling every life dream/goal on a bucket type list I X off daily)

your bigger than me, please tell me your exact size

[–]reigorius 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Drop the insecurity, somebody's dick size is not going to help you.

[–]Fly_Swim 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Its sooo much more than insecurity though, its that im missing out on a HUGE part of life that everyone ELSE gets to experince except me bc of my 5 incher (((

[–]reigorius 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I can see you feel you're missing out. But honest to god man, there is so much more to life than fucking women.

When my life as I knew it dissolved into a bottomless pit of despair 4 years ago I had a track record of 2 girls. At the age of 37. And my last relationship of 11 years with one of those girls had a dead bedroom for 9, nine, years. We both missed out.

Or so I thought. I fucked a busload of women in the last two/three years and girls are meh. What once was an unobtainable goal, something so unique, special and rewarding, is now nothing special. And it never really was.

Personal accomplishment in your job, your physique, your attitude towards life, now that is something that can give you a ride on a wave throughout the day. Fucking a girl is nice till you come. And then it is business as usual. Building and caring for friendships, taking time out with your family, enjoying the little things, now that would be missing out on a HUGE part of life if you have not mastered that. When I enter my job, people are happy to see me. Because I care about them, pay attention to them and do my fucking best to deliver my job. It's a warm shower to come to.

Bitches are side-dishes. Life is the main meal.

[–]Fly_Swim 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Bitches are side-dishes. Life is the main meal.

I understand and I'm doing really well outside of bitches, its been 30ish year long struggle to be where im at personally and professionally however i never got laid much outside of 2 short relationships until recently, so now this issue has reared its 5.5 inch sized head... so about the bitches... your implying im a total lost cause there? and i cannot expect to have satisfying sex?

[–]reigorius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not implying that at all.

Look, you have an inner demon that is sabotaging everything you think. It's main focus is the size of your dick and subsequently you not being manly/good enough because of that. It is utterly convinced manhood is defined by the size of a man's dick. Not being long enough by a set arbitrary standard, your whole view of the world has become utterly skewed.

How are these thoughts helping you? Are they?

I can't communicate my thoughts with you as long as that saboteur is undermining a healthy line of your thinking.

[–]troll16 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Meh I have a dick of similar size, never have been called small. In fact just the opposite, I know relatively it's bs that I'm a big guy but if you have the confidence to pull off the 5.5 it might at as well be a 7.5.

[–]Fly_Swim 0 points1 point  (2 children)

pull off the 5.5

why does it need to be 'pulled off'?

is my cock good enough on its own to be wanted?

[–]troll16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used "pull-off" in the, use confidently because there is nothing you can do about the cock you where born with so use it with all the swagger and confidence you can, sense.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can hit the G-spot more easily and with better power. Make her cum HARD and she will careless about your size.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Guys, I understood all this when i was in high school. I don't mean to sound racist but we had a saying "you play around with a white girl, and when you're ready to settle down you marry an east African woman" This was common knowledge. I love reading this sub because it only reinforces what 'we' always thought of white or western women even as kids.

Fellas you do know there's other cultures of women who are not as demonic, hypocritical, narcissistic and promiscuous as white women right? Even our women have been 'westernized' now to some degree but when you explain the errors of the 'western' way they get it, they are flexible but more importantly we men know to go back home and marry someone from back home if you want a traditional good woman, not a wannabe.

[–]GASTON_TONNERRECOQ 3 points3 points [recovered]

[–]ArcadesRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That routine had such powerful truth to it.

[–]Werewolf35b 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I hope you marry an East African too.

[–]1Soarinc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Says the man across the road...

[–]gonorealover -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Indian/asian women are far worst than white women . Non-white women are some of the biggest materialistic and gold digging whores out there.

White women at least look attractive . Non-white women are not only unattractive but they actually think they are better than white women. Do not kid yourself . AWALT applies to all women from all races.

I highly insist that you dont waste your time with non-white women. They have the same mentality as white women but without the looks and features . Why go for the less attractive if they all act the same ?

Never deny AWALT .

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really love your writings man. Great stuff.

[–]Redpill_Hannibal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

IM MAXIM #105 – Narcissism is a suit well-worn by a man, but one ill-fitting on a woman. Male narcissism is attractive to women, but female narcissism is not to man. Corollary: men with dark triad mothers are attracted to narcissistic women.

my go to shit test is "Do you think you're cool?", if the chick says "yes" then no LTR for her, and just to be honest, I've heard "No" twice in my life, one was from my mother

[–]Fly_Swim 0 points1 point  (2 children)

In 50 shades, of fucking course it said he has a big dick. Every girl ever has called me small at 5.8 x 5.3. Thus proving 100% of online dick size studies to be lies and PC garbage. Will you please tell me your girth as its the eternal secret that a straight guy never ever can know?

[–]EMON87 2 points2 points [recovered]

Why are you asking girls if your dick is small? I say this because no girl has ever commented on my dick, so why would they go out of their way to comment on yours?

[–]Fly_Swim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If they are harboring such negative thoughts about me that they are debating to themselves whether the way i was born is a 'dealbreaker' or not, i want to know, i think honesty is the most important thing (what they tell me) for everything

[–]singeblanc 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How do you reconcile #103 & #108, not pining for a girl and giving her less attention than she gives you, respectively, with men having to be the "chasers", "make the first move" etc.?

I mean, you should see how little attention I pay certain girls from my mom's basement!

[–][deleted] -25 points-24 points  (3 children)

Thanks, but please don't post external links. Keep it on the TRP subreddit. This isn't about views to your site or advertising.

[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

IllimitableMan is a Vanguard member and allowed to link to his blog.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lol, someone hasn't bothered to read the sidebar...

do you even lift, poser?

when you see gaylubeoils tshirts, youre really gonna blow a gasket

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was cranky. Your user name is great though haha.