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Red Pill TheoryTake the Pain: Why Mindfulness Goes Against Your Natural Instincts and How to Solve That (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1IamGale

IamGale here and I’ve been studying and practicing mindfulness for the past couple years. I’ve looked how at experts like Joshua Waitzkin, Wim Hoff, and Buddhist Monks use meditation to enhance their life. In the post, I’ll show you the great benefits from it. Mindfulness is actually quite difficult for beginners. But I’ll show you how to overcome the challenges of mindfulness so you can have complete clarity.

This is a long post but you’ll learn a lot:

  • Why mindfulness is so difficult
  • The surprising results from meditation
  • Why the pain is imaginary.
  • Why guys like Conor McGregor, Joshua Waitzkin, and Kobe Bryant meditate use it to win
  • How Joshua Waitzkin Gets Stronger Without Touching the Gym
  • How to Climb Everest in Shorts
  • How The Moments Before The Pain are the Worst — And How Those Are The Moments You Save
  • Three Strategies to Practice Mindfulness

Why Mindfulness is so difficult

Tell me if you’ve ever been in this situation.

You’ve made yourself a to-do list. And you’ve done the first couple things, but there are just a few things you cannot do. It’s not that you can’t do them, it's just that your body is almost physically repulsed when you think about it. Usually, it’s something you’ve never done before and it’ll just a painful experience. You almost feel sick. Your throat starts to tense up and all you want to is run away.

I’ve been there, but there’ a solution.

Here’s an example in my life. I do freelance marketing for companies and help drive and convert traffic to their sites. But I used to do a lot of filmmaking. And I still get gigs to make animated explainers videos for Kickstarter campaigns. I have to do one for a client today, but I’ve been avoiding it like crazy.

Since I haven’t done one in awhile it’ll take a long time and it won’t be amazing. So I avoid, but it’s like a sickness. The only way to get rid of it is to face the pain and do it. But the easy way is just to ignore it.

And lately, I’ve been so distracted. That whenever that feeling of avoidance comes up instead of embracing the pain I go straight for instant gratification habits. I go to Reddit, read something on Trump, or play atomas on my smartphone.

Then suddenly it’s been two hours...

This is some of the most subdued forms of self-destruction we can cause ourselves. Because it takes away time you could spending on your business or developing your skills. Procrastination is the creation of your own little prison.

Why the Pain is in Your Head

Now listen, I think planned breaks are great. There’s a place for Reddit, reading about Trump, or playing smartphone games. But they need to be planned.

When you act on impulse, you weaken your self-discipline.

You weaken your ability to act.

So what happens? You experience a sharp pain because the process will be uncomfortable. You have two options, you give in to your impulse and delay the pain. Or you embrace it.

Mindfulness helps you be aware when you’re avoiding pain. And it helps you to confront it.

I’m quoting /u/clint_redwood lintredwood here because wrote a great comment on embracing your pain.

Revel in Your Discomfort

There is a common phenomenon in public speaking and is addressed in "The Charisma Myth" where you must not only acknowledge your personal pitfalls and fears but you must also confront them. It's human nature to distance ourselves from anything that causes us discomfort. We see an injured animal, gut reaction is to look away. Given a piece of evidence contradictory to our beliefs, we reject it, backfire effect, etc.

So how do we combat this? By reveling in the conflict. By facing it head on. In "The Charisma Myth" context of public speaking, the author notes to focus on the discomfort you are feeling. See it, accept it. Let your body sit in this extremely uncomfortable situation. It will adapt itself and eventually come to terms that it's safe and ok.

This teaching can be applied to any discomfort and anxiety. Accept that you have it, let your body feel the discomfort, anxiety, anger, etc. Let it work its natural course and eventually it will come to terms and adapt itself.

Don't acknowledge it then actively force yourself to do anything, anything you actively do will be counter intuitive. You just have to be you and let the discomfort happen, because it's going to be there till your body adapts. The old saying in PUA, "you'll always have approach anxiety, it never goes away. The only difference between beginners and experts is they've become comfortable with the discomfort".

To help you visualize what /u/clint_redwood is saying I've creating something special for you. Because there are no better examples than war movies when characters get to go through tremendous trials. When they face death head on.

I've highlighted two scenes from the movie Platoon.

You'll where Sgt Barnes helps a soldier revel in his discomfort and where he reveals a surprising truth to his soldiers when they try to escape reality with weed.

Platoon Scene “Take the Pain” and “I am Reality"

This is Sgt Barnes’s secret:

Take the pain.

Do you feel that urge to check your phone?

Take the pain.

Do you want to reply to that message?

Take the pain.

Want to check Reddit again?

Take the pain.

Surprising Benefits of Meditation:

So everyone knows that meditation can give you better clarity in your day. We all know that. But here’s what you don’t know.

According to the Charisma Myth, Charisma is based on power, warmth, and presence.

Have you ever had a conversation where you complimented someone on the smallest thing? How you just naturally noticed they got a hair cut, or put on special eyeliner for you?

Yea?

Well, being mindful is like that all the time.

Mindfulness gives you the power of presence in conversation, in your work, start getting in the flow, start having better sex, start creating real connections. Start noticing little things about people.

When you feel the urge to distract yourself think of Sgt Barnes telling you to take the pain. Because it will make you stronger as you build the habit to revel in discomfort.

Pros Who Meditate:

Not everyone needs to meditate, some people are naturally present. Others need to work on it. But everyone benefits from the added presence.

You might be more prone to distraction, and you might feel you don’t need it. But it seems to help most people.

Here’s a personal story:

One of my TRP friends is big on meditation and has a fascinating story of how he got into it.

He was in the competitive marching bands. With large groups of musicians, you all need to be extremely connected to each other’s rhythm. Everyone needs to be in sync and on there game. Because if you’re the one person who’s off--you ruin the whole sound. You just piss everyone off.

Do you know what they did to connect everyone and make sure everyone was focused?

They started each session with 25 minutes of group meditation.

And guess who won the championship of marching band competitions?

My friend and his band.

Professional Athletes use meditation as well. Athletes like Conor McGregor, Kobe Bryant, and Joshua Waitzkin are all big on meditation.

For Conor, he uses to get himself in the right state to train. Before fights, he does lots of cycling because that’s when he feels the clarity of mindfulness.

In this interview, Kobe Bryant says he starts off every day with meditation.

But the most incredible training story I’ve heard of meditation comes from Joshua Waitzkin.

How to use Meditation to Train Without Training

Here’s his story:

In about 6 months, Joshua Waitzkin will be competing in the world championships of Tai Chi Push Hands.

There’s only one problem, he’s got a broken arm. The doctor told him that there was no way he’d be able to compete. They said the muscles in his broken arm would undergo extensive muscle atrophy and lose its strength.

But Joshua found an unconventional solution to his problem. Here’s a quote about what happened:

Everyday, he would enter into a deep visualization of training his broken arm.

Josh fought off muscle atrophy during his recovery through the intense and focused use of visualization. During every workout using his uninjured left arm, he visualized the stress passing to his right arm in its cast.

While current scientific understanding can’t fully explain this phenomenon, it has been consistently demonstrated that the mind can direct the body to certain results. The cast came off four days before the competition, and Josh’s arm had barely atrophied. With his newfound skills and fully functioning arm, he became the national champion.

If you want to learn more about Joshua Waitzkin you can read my earlier post, “The RedPill Secrets that Made Joshua Waitzkin a Chess and Martial Arts World Champion” where I highlight his highly unconventional training strategies.

As you know I love psychology and marketing. In his book, Joshua Waitzkin comes to understand his own psychology so well that he’s able to get better at martial 10x faster than everyone else.

Also, check out his interview on the Tim Ferriss’ podcast. It’s really insightful. He talks about his experience in implementing the Wim Hoff method and even teaching it to his 4-year-old son. That leads me to my next point about some of the most incredible benefits of mindfulness.

Wim Hoff Case Study: How You Can Climb Everest Shirtless with Mindfulness

Here's the best case for Mindfulness. That’s Wim Hoff.

He’s climbed Everest in shorts, swims in arctic waters, and runs marathons in the desert without water.

He’s insane.

In the past year, he’s gone from nothing to a legend. But what you don’t know is that he’s been working on his practice for the last 25 years.

He’s made the scientific communities rewrite medical textbooks because of his feats.

How does he do this?

Through meditation and breathing techniques, he’s able to control his own auto-immune response. He’s able to regulate his body to withstand freezing temperatures. He's got 21 Guinness World Records for his feats such as:

  • Full marathon in the Namib desert without water consumption
  • Running a marathon on sandals above the Arctic circle wearing only shorts
  • Officially swam under ice for 66 meters, unofficially swam under ice for 120 meters with one breath
  • Hanging on one finger at an altitude of 2000 meters
  • Climbing the highest mountains on earth in only shorts
  • The Guinness World Record Ice Endurance feat, lasting 1 hour and 52 minutes in Ice.

While I usually loathe Vice, they made a great documentary on him. The documentary even shows Wim Hoff teaching the journalist covering him how to climb a nearby mountain in just shorts as well!

Vice Video Documentary

No one has learned to embrace the pain better than Wim Hoff. In interviews, he always says that the cold is his true teacher.

You know that feeling you jump into cold water. How it shocks your system. You start breathing heavy. And how you’ve instantly forgotten what you were thinking about. All you can think about is the cold on your body.

Cold showers can actually help you be mindful because they act as a shortcut to clarity. But you still need to face the cold water and that’s the hard part.

The Moments Before The Pain are the Worst — And Those Are The Moments You Save

Have you ever seen a girl and just approached them out of the blue? You just spontaneously picked them up and created a great connection with them? Without having all the anxiety that comes with psyching yourself up?

Sometimes you get those brief glimpses of how much of a badass you can be.

Whereas on other days, you get mini panic attacks just thinking about approaches.

Practicing mindfulness helps you be consistent.

The hardest part of cold approaches is the anxiety you get before you actually do it.

Personally for me, it’s the moment right before the daunting tasks that are the worst. When approaching a girl, it’s the moment right before the approach that sucks.

It’s the mental anxiety, the thoughts running through your head, the imaginary prediction you create for yourself.

But what if you got normalized to that anxiety so that it no longer bothered you?

All that happens when you’re not present.

All those moments of doubt, that seemingly uncontrollable anxiety you get?

Yea, it comes from your habits of being anxious. It comes from being in your head and not being present.

But I have a friend who seems physically immune to anxiety.

His name is Mark and he is the most chill guy I’ve ever met. He’s the epitome of IDGAF. One day I asked him,”Man, how are you always so relaxed?"

And after chatting a bit he told me the parable of the Taoist Farmer:

This farmer had only one horse, and one day the horse ran away. The neighbors came to console him over his terrible loss. The farmer said, "What makes you think it is so terrible?"

A month later, the horse came home--this time bringing with her two beautiful wild horses. The neighbors became excited at the farmer's good fortune. Such lovely strong horses! The farmer said, "What makes you think this is good fortune?"

The farmer's son was thrown from one of the wild horses and broke his leg. All the neighbors were very distressed. Such bad luck! The farmer said, "What makes you think it is bad?"

A war came, and every able-bodied man was conscripted and sent into battle. Only the farmer's son, because he had a broken leg, remained. The neighbors congratulated the farmer. "What makes you think this is good?" said the farmer.

Mark’s message was that we think of the worst things before they actually happen. Why not let it happen before you start worrying about? Plus, in his experience, everything works out in the end.

He then points at me and says,

“You’re fine, now aren’t you? You’ll probably be fine in the future too so chill."

That’s a great story because it illustrate a weakness we all have. To imagine the worst possible scenario and expect the worse. We tell ourselves bullshit stories that may not even come true. It’s a reminder to not be so biased and stop creating negative thoughts for ourselves.

Mindfulness gives you awareness when this kind of stuff happens. See a guy like Mark never meditates. He’s already cultivated the art of not worrying. That habit is engrained into his person.

For others, we have to work on it. But that’s what growing is about. It’s about building the habits that make us stronger.

Next time, something shitty happens to you think of the Taoist Farmer.

Three Strategies to Practice Mindfulness

There are a ton of benefits of implementing mindfulness in our lives but how do you actually implement it?

Mindfulness for me is being present of your actions and behaviors. It’s developing the awareness in conversations when we’re working, or resting. It’s about acting with intention and not running on autopilot.

I’m going to give you three strategies on how to cultivate mindfulness. And depending on your personality and history, you’ll see which one is the best fit for you.

Three Strategies to Practice Mindfulness:

  1. This strategy is the easiest way to start. You use an best out there called Headspace, it’s my personal favorite beginner program. They have a free intro called Take 10 and it’s a great start to practicing the habit of mindfulness.
  2. Low tech way: take 5-15 minutes a day. Sit down in a chair at the end of the day and practice being comfortable when you're alone.
  3. Be actively mindful throughout the day. This is easier if you create a trigger for yourself. For me, I use my fitness tracker. Whenever I notice my fitness tracker I make a reminder to present. To check my posture. To take a deep breath. To say acknowledge my surrounding. Right now I would say, “I’m in a coffee shop right now. Writing on my Macbook. On a black table. There are two girls in front of me chatting” I connect with my environment and I'm present with what’s in immediate surrounding. The more you can do that throughout the day the better.

That’s it. Just be present during your day. You can start right now. The biggest benefit is when you get lost in your head, mindfulness will cut through your anxiety bring you back to the present. Just acknowledge your surrounding and breathe.


Lessons Learned:

  • Mindfulness can minimize your procrastination
  • Mindfulness can make you more charismatic
  • Professional use meditation to help them accomplish incredible feats
  • Mindfulness can you help “take the pain”
  • Think of the Taoist Farmer next time you spin events in your life negatively
  • To be mindful, acknowledge your environment and breathe

If you liked anything in particular or want to share your experience with mindfulness, post a comment below. I love hearing your stories.


[–]RPsage 93 points94 points  (12 children)

Pro tip for meditation I learned from a monk.

When breathing in think in your head "rising"
When breathing out think "falling"
If something other than that pops up in your head think "thinking" until you go back to the previous two.

I've been doing that for months now and I can wholeheartedly say it's better than not thinking about anything, or trying to focus on some specific sound.

[–]1IamGale[S] 15 points16 points  (5 children)

If something other than that pops up in your head think "thinking" until you go back to the previous two.

This is really good. It's so easy to get distracted but as soon you label what's going on you're able to control it much easier.

Have you noticed any changes in your life since you've started meditating?

[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT 21 points22 points  (2 children)

What works for me is to visualize my breath as the ocean. I close my eyes and imagine a big ocean in front of me. When I inhale, the water comes towards me. When I exhale, it goes back out. The sound of the breath is quite similar to the sound of the ocean, so it works beautifully for me.

[–]Ovadox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really like this idea, especially tapping into a planetary rhythm, synching up with something so much larger than yourself.

[–]RPsage 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Thanks man. After using that technique, the difference is night and day.

There have been many great changes, including staying present and holding frame easily in difficult situations. In the Charisma Myth, the author mentions feeling body sensations to stay present but I think mediation works better, or at least complements it well.

[–]Alpacash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can observe body sensations instead of the breath, meditation is simply being present.

[–]Senior Contributordeepthrill 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Nice technique. I personally count to 10 for breaths and restart if I ever lose my thought.

So at the start I'd only get to about 4 before my mind would wander, and I'd restart at 1.

Now I can comfortably get to 10 consistently. I give myself 2 seconds to fill my head with anxiety, and start it up again. That in itself allows you to take a step back even further and notice the difference between a "filled" and "empty" head, which increases self-awareness.

It's a good technique to have a "finish" interval, which is also discussed in The Art of Learning in the section regarding interval training.

It's also a good metric to determine how well you're doing at focus.

[–]RPsage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing. I will try that technique and report back.

[–]TWYW 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds great, unfortunately when I set a goal like that and I reach 8, I'll think "OMG I'm making it" and that in itself brings me back to 1.

[–]getbangedchatshit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Increase it. I am up to a count of 30 now. I lose it often. Frustrating when it happens at say 24. But it really works. 30 super slow deep breaths. One exhal-inhale counts as 1.

[–]All-DayErrDay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's funny because I know the monk that you're talking about.

[–]RedCrotch 39 points40 points  (14 children)

Pro tip from a meditator: try not to say actual words in your head when you are scanning your awareness in the present moment.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Yep, the most common meditation for beginners is to focus on a specific thing. Birds chirping in the background. Listen to your breathing, feel it coming in and out.

By focusing on the one thing your mind shuts down it's hyper activity. All the constant feel good stimuli we recieve in the day. Text message, that random thought, that thing you've been worrying about, that work that isn't done yet, that hot girl you fucked up with last night.

All those things take away from your ability to be present and engaging.

Want to improve charisma? Meditation is a great start.

[–]Boovs4life 2 points3 points  (1 child)

How exactly does meditation improve charisma?

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 6 points7 points  (0 children)

charisma is projecting your emotions into your body language and words.

 

Emotions are from your mammalian brain

 

Your frontal cortex controls your rational thought, little voice in the head, etc. If you are spending a bunch of time in your head you will not be effectively projecting and speaking from the mammalian brain.

 

By meditating you shut down the frontal cortex and allow the mammalian to take over more. Thus speaking more fluidly, having more dynamic and exagerated body language.

 

That's the science behind it but in 'The Charisma Myth' it's just deduced to being called 'Presence'. The more present you are, aka not in your head, the more you can engage with those around you and increase your charisma.

 

There is also 2 other sub categories for charisma which is power and warmth.

 

I highly recommend you read 'The Charisma Myth' if you want to learn a lot more.

[–]punkweight34 0 points1 point  (10 children)

Could you elaborate on why this is important? I've noticed that as an issue when I practice.

[–]RedCrotch 5 points6 points  (9 children)

It's called anapana meditation which I picked up from a 10 day Vipassana course. It's used to sharpen the mind. The teachings do not condone using any visualization or mantras (active mind) to achieve states of peace.

I've practiced it so persistently that it has become almost second nature to me, it's just such a wonderful tool to have on lock.

[–]BigDino1 2 points3 points  (6 children)

What is anapana? How do you do it? Do you focus on the breath or something?

[–]RedCrotch 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Oh man it's super simple, you will be skeptical at first. Just sit upright comfortably and close your eyes. Start with ONE deep breath as you draw your attention to the outer rings of your nostrils, be aware of the sensations of air passing over the skin of your nose hole as you let your breath go with it's natural flow. Don't analyze, think about, measure, or force anything while you are observing the nostrils.

This basically serves as a mind hack to completely cut off the monkey mind from being able to chat it up. You will notice that after some time the thoughts will start rolling back in your head, you will get lost and before you know it you will be like damn I'm supposed to be meditating.

Just bring it back to the nose holes, if you can't feel any sensation on the nostrils then take a few deep breaths until it becomes noticeable then go back to regular breath.

Pretty much just rinse and repeat this as much as you are willing to try (this can also be done with eyes open! highly suggest. edit: eyes open meaning when you are not actively sitting to meditate, like when you are at work or driving.) After about 30 hours of consistent (preferably 1 hour in the morning 1 hour in the evening) practice you will REALLLLLY start becoming more acute with your thinking and your sense will seem a bit amped.

Once you get to this point you should be able to hold your mind quiet for a little bit of time(10-30seconds i'd say is average for a beginner at this stage) and then you can learn Vipassana meditation where you will work to clear out all the bad shit that makes your subconscious flare up negatively. To really get some experiential knowledge in this technique I highly suggest the 10 day courses (they are free, 100% volunteer/donation based)

It is the best thing for anyone wanting to uncover their own internal wisdom.

[–]CQC3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I was tempted to try a retreat, but when I did a brief search in my area, some of them charged quite a bit of money, like 500+ dollars for a 10 day retreat. Should I avoid these types of places, are there many reputable donation/volunteer based retreats?

[–]RedCrotch 3 points4 points  (0 children)

None of those centers should ask for money up front. I'm in the Pacific Northwest and really enjoy the one in Onalaska Washington, Dhamma Kunja. Absolutely terrific property.

[–]BigDino1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is there a website where I can learn more about anapana? Normally my technique is following my breathing in my nostrils and out and also feeling it as it touches the upper lip. Is that good?

My belly going in and out as I breathe tends to distract me from that. What do you do about that?

[–]RedCrotch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Over time you start spreading your awareness. Starting with awareness on a small part of body it will sharpen your mind faster so that you can feel the subtle sensations that appear on larger parts of bodies like the air going over the upper lip.

After you do the lip for a while scan in a triangle from the upper lip to the top of the nose (between the eyes almost) then onto body scans once you hold your equanimity long enough.

When you realize you're observing your belly, just keep going back to the nose!

[–]Rice_Fields 2 points2 points [recovered]

Where do I start learning this?

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 46 points47 points  (33 children)

I was talking to IamGale this weekend and he showed me Wim Hof.

That dude is fucking insane. Everyone here needs to watch that vice documentary and every possible video you can find of him. Dude has literally changed 4000 years of conventional thought on our body and what we have thought couldn't be controlled consciously.

The dude can actively control his endocrine system, auto-immune system, heat generation and a list of other crazy shit. And he is not a freak of nature. He isn't the exception to the rule. He's teaching his techniques to anyone that wants to learn them. He's not using it to boost his ego. He isn't doing it for fame, attention or glory. He's just doing it to help others.

He ran a fucking marathon in the Arctic circle with just shorts on. And he has never trained a day in his life for a marathon. I can't jog for 5 minutes fucking straight and he does a fucking marathon with 0 prep, in the fucking arctic circle, in fucking shorts.

He's able to actually shut down his pain receptors so that he literally, and I mean literally, can not feel the cold.

Gale showed me the video friday and I've watched probably 6 hours of footage on him so far. Dudes a fucking beast and everyone here could learn a lot from him.

[–]1IamGale[S] 12 points13 points  (20 children)

Glad you looked into him!

Dude has literally changed 4000 years of conventional thought on our body and what we have thought couldn't be controlled consciously.

I love how one man was able to get medical textbooks rewritten. What if he never existed? He's going to change the world.

Don't know if I mentioned this, but he has also has an online course where he teaches you his method.

I still love the vice documentary on him. He has such a fascinating life.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 5 points6 points  (8 children)

He also has an interview with a Dr. Rhonda Patrick who has a bachelors in biochemistry and goes into great detail of the psychological responses he's able to produce.

She even cites the scientific and university studies preformed on him which is awesome for those that enjoy reading studies.

[–]mirceamrc1 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Commenting to get more notifications on this subject. This post is amazing.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Literally just go on youtube and search, "Wim Hof" and watch the first 10 videos. The dude is like the Bruce Lee of self control.

He's taken random people and in 4 days taught them how to control their auto-immune system. 12 random people, under university lab study conditions, where injected with an endotoxin which is suppose to produce 6 hours of complete agony. They had zero reaction and defeated the toxin in half the normal time. They are the first 13 people in history to ever do this. And he taught them this in 4 fucking days.

He's teaching people to control their most primal subsystems of the brain, systems rooted not in the mammalian brain but the prehistoric fucking R brain. Like the most primal systems that first developed in our species. Systems that where created when we where flat worms or still swimming in oceans. Systems that have always conventionally though to be completely autonomous and he's teaching people to control it in 4 fucking days. He is literally the first person in written history to do this and teach it to people this rapidly.

He's practically the Jesus of science right now.

I can't imagine what his teachings are going to do when top tier athletes try them out. He's just teaching random Joe Bob's right now. I want to see all American's try this shit out or Olympic athletes.

His online course is $200 and I'll definitely be picking it up.

[–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Keep an eye on Alistair overreem. Started working with hof months ago and looked really good in his last fight.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sweet, He's fighting may 8th.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Hey clint, do you have any videos of him teaching those fellas his techniques? I'm really curious about what/HOW can he tell to have such effects.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

youtube "Joe Rogan Wim Hof" about 6 minutes in he takes Rogan through the exercise.

[–]SmilingWatermelon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If only I wasn't such a poor youth, I'd pick this up today.

Ill definitely be getting this soon, all that you said has convinced me that this is a challenge I want to conquer.

I love challenges.

[–]ironclad_desire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You don't have to pay for the course to start practicing. The secret is based on three activities: cold showers, yoga and breathing exercises. And that's it. Wim even has some free videos how to start doing them. You can also join the facebook group and ask any questions you have there. No excuses man.

Of course I do recommend to buy the course. Wim is a very charismatic and fun person and doing the exercises with him and the group give you the motivation to go through the whole 10 weeks (if spending so much money already didn't).

Edit: formatting

[–]protolux 3 points4 points  (10 children)

To be fair, this was known by indian and tibetan yogis for thousands of years.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 6 points7 points  (9 children)

I know but he's refined the teachings down to 4 days and de-clouded the entire mystification around it. And most importantly, put actually facts and stats behind his methods and has had teams of scientist study him and back it.

He's not the first person to do it. But he's the first person to refine it and teach it to others easily. He's basically the Henry Ford of meditation.

[–]protolux 0 points1 point  (8 children)

So basically he made a product out of it to profit. But there was a reason why such knowledge was transmitted only to fully committed and sought out people.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Watch his videos and try it if you are skeptical. He teaches the basics for free. He even runs Joe Rogan through it in a podcast and Rogan was impressed. The product was actually the creation of his Son to try and monetize it for online distribution. Wim started doing this when his Wife committed suicide 25 years ago.

[–]perdill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In one of Joe's more recent podcasts he mentioned he now does the breathing exercise before he gets on stage for stand-up.

[–]elevul 0 points1 point  (2 children)

His online course is 200, his face to face course is 4000, IIRC.

So no, he's not doing out of the kindness of his heart.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Never said he was doing it out of the kindness of his heart. I'd figure TRP would be the last place to give a guy shit for trying to make money and better himself.

Dude spent 25 years of his life perfecting it and only charges $200 to teach others online. I'll gladly pay $200 for 25 years of knowledge and something I've already tried and felt physical results from.

I'm interested in testing his methods with lifting and bodybuilding. Just like anything else, it's one more toolbox in my garage of life experiences.

[–]elevul 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm interested in testing his methods with lifting and bodybuilding.

Let us know, I'd definitely be interested in that as well!

[–]Nicolay77 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't think /u/protolux is skeptical of the results, but about the 4000 years of history changed claim.

This was known before, and then forgotten, and then discovered again and recontextualized with modern knowledge.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 3 points4 points  (0 children)

and then discovered again and recontextualized with modern knowledge.

pretty much. There are rarely things completely invented out of thin air. They are usually adaptation or derivatives of previous information and knowledge.

When you get into truly unique levels of creation you are talking people like Tesla, Mozart and shit. Borderline savant/insane people.

[–]idgaf- 1 point2 points  (9 children)

The dude can actively control his endocrine system, auto-immune system, heat generation and a list of other crazy shit

There's a field of research (and overpriced products) around this called "biofeedback".

There's also a thing that's catching on called "floating" (aka sensory deprivation or REST) that can enhance this process, among many other things. I tried to visit a float spa this weekend but all 4 of them in my city were fully booked. It basically forces your mind into deep meditation and your body into the deepest relaxation possible. Pro athletes have been using it and the list of possible benefits is amazing.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Is this like sleep chambers and sensory deprivation chambers?

Makes sense if it is. There are cites from people that have gone into the quietest room in the world and they note that they can hear and feel their heart beat after a while.

I tried Wim Hof's breathing technique and on the first try I could literally feel my entire cardiovascular system. Every single pump of my heart, I could feel it through my entire body.

It was a freakishly weird phenomenon. I can't really explain it because there is no words to describe the feeling. He's the first person to do this in written history and teach it. We only make words for feelings we can all relate to. Since this has never been 'felt' by anyone, there is literally not a word to describe it other than to say, you just feel it.

It sounds like complete bullshit but after the first attempt I was sold. No one can tell me what I have or haven't felt. I know what I felt, I felt it, it was fucking weird. 10/10 doing it again.

[–]RedCrotch 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You will love the dep chambers. Be sure to wear ear plugs (you will get salt in your ear and it gets crunchy if you don't vinegar it out!) and you will hear your blood circulating through your body to the beat of your heart.

My belief on the tanks is that when you cut off all incoming sensory stimuli the mind reacts (like it does in meditation, when you go against the grain and try and shut it up it acts out) and begins to compensate for the loss of stimuli by producing it's own.

Don't let it trick you though, don't attach your thoughts onto the images, just sit back and observe, you will go strange places.

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[–]perdill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Been doing the breathing rounds for 3 weeks now and just started some cold exposure after the breathing(showers). Love the high you get after the breathing rounds, feel incredibly aware and present.

Wim Hof is no fucking joke.

[–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's sounds really similar to this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autogenic_training I'm in the process of learning this with the help of my therapist.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

so you're saying the guy could commit suicide just by thinking, if ever gotten into such a unstable position to desire that?

[–]idgaf- 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Probably not. It'd be like trying to commit suicide by holding your breath. Even if you managed to knock yourself unconscious by doing so, the release of consciousness would let you breathe again.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

holding your breath and messing with your hormones are two quite different things.

but yeah probably not.

[–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's all in the breathing. His technique is almost mechanical in how it affects the body. If you haven't done it you should do it because it's amazing. I've meditated consistently for years but not the way he does, and the first time I tried it I couldn't believe what it did to me. It just muted my response to a cold shower by about 80% on the first go round. This is some no Bullshit life stuff

[–]bebestman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some time ago someone showed me a similar technique, I'll try Hof's method later to compare.

They claim that with this technique people can change their hormonal system. Could we then regulate the production of specific hormones, specifically testosterone?

[–]magus678 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Mindfulness is one of those things I suspect a lot on TRP might be mildly hostile to without knowing why or even what it is.

Our brains didn't pop out of the evolutionary process perfectly. It was a slowly additive process, and the deeper parts tend to be more "primitive" parts. Sometimes referred to as the reptile brain. In western society, this part of our brain sees a lot less stimulation that it once did.

Most animals lack our higher functions, and essentially live in mindfulness as a result. To an extent, ignorance really is a sort of bliss.

Mindfulness is essentially bridging that gap and compensating somewhat for our janky evolutionary state. I have never known someone who took to mindfulness practice and was diminished by it.

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I've always wondered, does this imply our higher functions have the disadvantage that they can remove us from the present? Is intelligence the opposite of being present in that sense?

[–]detachedbymarriage 6 points7 points  (7 children)

Great Great post and perfect timing for my personal gains.

These internal struggles, they never really existed before my divorce last year. I always held a "well, let's just see what happens" attitude toward life and it always kept me calm. But since the divorce, my anxiety levels have shot through the roof. It is the one part of my RP journey that I have not been able to control even through the various suggested readings, meditations, and stoic practices.
The picking up girls, spinning plates, that piece of the puzzle has been the easy part for some reason.

I especially have issues on the Sundays after I take my kids back to their mother. I come home and...I can't even explain the level of stress I go through.

But yesterday, I had an epiphany. I came home and was doing my usual running in circles trying to find things to get my mind to calm down and rid the anxiety. Then I stopped...I sat down in the chair and started to think to myself, "why am I feeling this way". What is currently going on that makes me feel so damn anxious. I sat in the chair just searching through my thoughts on what the hell was really going on up there, instead of trying to hide from it like I usually do. After about 5 minutes, I was calm again. While I never truly found why I felt that way, digging through the negative feelings calmed me. Of course, I did have a few bouts of anxiety through the night but each time, I would sit and start searching again...each time calming myself down. I do accept I am not where I need to be yet, I feel like I made some serious progress.

Reading this now gives me ideas, things to try next time that go perfectly in line with what I experienced last night. I give you a thumbs up for this post and look forward to anything else that might be posted on this subject.

[–]1IamGale[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Looks like you're on your way. I have a question for you in regards to this comment:

I especially have issues on the Sundays after I take my kids back to their mother. I come home and...I can't even explain the level of stress I go through.

So dropping off your kids seems like an anxiety trigger. I have no idea, but is it because you lose all control over their well-being? Or is it something else?

[–]detachedbymarriage 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's kinda that feeling that first arose when they left the first time. It could be a mix of loneliness and feeling like I lost my kids again.

It almost feels like I have to keep reliving that whole first month over and over.

That is really the best way to explain it.

[–]LazyMagus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So basically your thoughts are causing you the stress, rather than the act itself. If so, mindfulness and meditation will be interesting things for you to research.

[–]Nycredpilldad 2 points2 points [recovered]

I am going through something similar. The ex & her family continue to harass me personally & online. Now they have weaponized my children against me. It seems as though I am having a 24/7 fight or flight response to the situation and I am suffering constantly from a situation I have no control over.

I have lost this battle but am trying to win the war. If I can defeat the demons within, I will regain happiness & frame. Right now it's all I can do to keep from going off the deep end & acting out on my primal instincts

[–]detachedbymarriage 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I had an issue with harassment, consistent negging, making me look like the pure POS in the situation...even with my own family.

The thing I learned though, keep your comments to yourself and no matter what, don't post memes or share shit on social media.

At first, no one had shit to do with me due to her FB vomiting. After about 6 months of the constant crap from her, I started to get random text or messages from past people telling me they how they were proud of me for taking the higher ground and how bad it really makes her look. (A true RP man doesn't need these validations but you get my point)

Just stay strong and humble, things will turn eventually.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

instead of trying to hide from it like I usually do. After about 5 minutes, I was calm again. While I never truly found why I felt that way

I can tell you why.

Your body will naturally adapt to any environment. Look at any situation where people can't opt out of their circumstances and they will make the best of it.

Unplanned pregnancy? They'll eventually be happy.

Lose of job? You eventually get over it.

Punched in the face? You'll heal and you mind will calm itself eventually

Lose of loved one? You will morn but eventually return to normal.

Now, what most people think is they some how rationally overcome this stuff. Well, they kinda do but it's more of an 80/20 as in 20 of it is only rational thought.

The 80% is completely your endocrine system coming to terms and readjusting itself to the stress.

When you look at any situation that you can't control, like the ones listed above. Your body is forced to accept the change. There is no running. There is no hiding. Your body adapts or in extreme cases you commit suicide or mental breaks.

Apply this to your teaching to your situation or any stress stimuli and you'll easily tackle any problems you have. You just face the stress and your body will adapt.

Unfortunately human's innately hate discomfort, so we drag the shit out wondering why it never gets fixed or we are never happy.

The reality is, just trust your body, force it to adapt and it will.

[–]Mgtowredpillonroids 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Meditation can be hard to get into. Personally I've tried it but couldn't motivate myself to stay on track. Self-hypnosis is easy to get into though, although everyone is different in terms of capability to fall into a trance. If you're one of those people who easily get absorbed while reading a book or while looking out of the window while riding the bus, chances are you'll do pretty well when you're doing self-hypnosis. If you're more hyper active and can't stay focused for long, you're going to have more difficulty getting into it. I've recently tried a hypnosis that is supposed to promote lucid dreaming. Whereas that endeavour (lucid dreaming) failed because I couldn't fall asleep, it was hands down one of the deepest trance states I've ever reached. Whereas feeling euphoric and very relaxed, similar to mild drugs such as Atarax/weak marihuana isn't uncommon, this trance provided me with an INCREDIBLE rush of euphoria and actual visuals. So I was close to getting into a dream state, but I suspect I drank to much coffee that day. I will definitely try again though. I've already had some lucid dreams but I want to have them more regularly as I want to practice some stuff, such as bodybuilding exercises to improve my technique, maybe even go over red pill knowledge while dreaming. It's been proven that lucid dream practice is no different to real practice, but you can do a lot of other fun stuff as well (flying, fucking, creating stuff ... you're the god of that world) The hypnosis is here, but unfortunately it's German: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-oYl-S73z0

You'll need headphones and of course you need to lie down in a comfortable position.

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"As long as the fight continues, the outcome remains uncertain."

Many people spend their lives in a state of go-with-the-flow lethargy. There is no fight. So the outcome is certain: they will die in the mediocrity in which they lived.

Others live in a constant state of tumult and inner combat. The outcome never becomes certain because they never stop fighting. They die still embroiled in the conflict in which they lived.

And the select few learn how to let go, how to let their inner conflicts ebb and flow and resolve in minutes what would take other people months, years, and lifetimes. They become people who have certain outcomes that happen regularly. They know how to let a fight run its course rather than avoiding it or letting it drag on forever.

Those people usually meditate.

[–]SW9876 19 points20 points  (0 children)

This is our psych and marketing guy everybody!

[–]chootey 3 points3 points [recovered]

Is wim hof even mindfulness?

If I'm correct, he uses breathing to flood his body with adrenaline and other stress hormones.

It sounds interesting but is that good for your body in the long term? It seems like they've only studied the short term effects and I would want to know if its good to be flooding your body with high amounts of stress hormone. Seems like it might age you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Wim's logic behind it is that our body's today aren't actually at there natural state. Aka, we call 'normal' to what everyone has as an average in our current society. We have no data on what was 'normal' back 100,000 years ago when we didn't have all these man made stress stimuli(Stress is actually a measured load on any of our endocrine system, aka anger, love, joy, happiness, sadness, everything. Any spike in adrenaline, dopamine, serotonin, etc. Neutral is default). We live in a hyper active world and our bodies were not built for it. As a result they suffer.

Wim's idea behind his techniques is that they allow your body to return to it's normal levels pre-civilization before we had all these things to distract us and fuck with our endocrine system.

now his reasoning is all deduction from his life experience with it. But I'd say he's the foremost expert on it. He seems like an extremely happy guy and he came from a very not happy place. He started this journey when his wife committed suicide 25 years ago. He says this is the only thing in 25 years he found that fixed his depression. He wanted to share it with everyone till 2011 when he was doing a stunt in I believe NYC where we has approached by a Doctor at a university for study. The doctor told him he's just an anomaly, freak of nature but if he could teach others this, it would have scientific validity. So then he trained a bunch of people to do the exact same thing in like 2 weeks.

[–]chootey 1 points1 points [recovered]

It definitely seems like there are some big positive benefits to this in the short term, but I just wonder if there's reason to believe there are side effects to it. I heard before that the method floods your system with more adrenaline than someone skydiving for the first time. Is this like exercise, where a temporary increase in stress hormone leads to an overall decrease, or are you just fueling yourself on stress response?

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not entirely sure. He says there is different responses depending on the person. The method that induces the adrenaline higher than bungee jumpers is suppose to take around 30 minutes to complete. Some people hallucinate, some cry, some scream in anger, some stay normal.

I would equate it to an exercise. You are exposing yourself to a short term, high level of hormones but he doesn't do the breathing technique 24/7 so it will slowly return to normal.

Wim's argument is that 'normal' is contextual. Ya it's normal in our civilization, but our civilization is artificial. We created it. It isn't what nature designed us for. So deductively, our ailments and a lot of sicknesses are derived from our artificially designed environment and our body isn't built to handle it.

The logic makes sense but they have yet to fully study it. I would think they need to look at extremely isolated tribes and civilizations to get an idea of what is natural to pre-civilization body chemistry.

[–]Polaris382 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kind of curious (and kind of the impression) I got about this too.

[–]1IamGale[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Interesting point. I'll look into it. And I categorize it as mindfulness because it helps you connect with your body more.

[–]chootey 2 points2 points [recovered]

Let me know if you find anything out.

[–]1IamGale[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I've tagged you as "Wim Hoff and Aging" so every time I see your username I'll be reminded to send you some more info.

[–]Polaris382 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think running, which I feel like is so overlooked and underestimated around here, is a great way to push this. Its not like you have to run super long distances to do it either.

[–]_the_shape_ 2 points3 points  (4 children)

One day not too long ago, a thought popped into my head as I was cleaning my dishes: "Can calmness be extracted from anything, any activity, as if everything came filled will calmness, as if it were an actual, tangible thing, like a liquid or the edible part of a fruit behind an outer shell?"

I immediately put it to the test as I rinsed off my dishes and began to dry them. What I was doing quite quickly lost its chore-like quality. It no longer was something I had to hastily and mindlessly cross off my checklist in order to proceed with my day - no, it was somehow sharpening my sense of focus while simultaneously ridding me of any lingering anxiety. I felt as if I could really look at what I was doing now instead of rushing through it the way a frenzied, overworked commuter does as they scramble to get to work on time. I put the same method to the test as I cleaned my bathroom as soon as I finished with the dishes. Again - increase in focus, increase in calmness, decrease in anxiety.

I have not tried it out for long enough and with other circumstances, activities, scenarios to say that any definitive and readily apparent changes have taken place, but the results thus far have been overwhelmingly positive and beneficial, meaning, I can more easily observe my own thoughts, brush aside those that hinder me in some capacity, and hold on to the ones that serve me well. Getting rattled seems a little harder too now that I am actively training myself to find tranquility in every single thing around me. Taking up big projects seems a little less daunting now too.

[–]1IamGale[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Tara Brach calls the process your describing sitting down with Maya. She describes it similarly to you.

[–]_the_shape_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Excellent. I was looking for more on what I was doing as I was sure that method has been tried and refined. Will look into it. Thank you.

[–]Iamthenewme 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just so you get the notification too, I believe IamGale is referring to sitting down with Mara. Something I'm working on (very slowly) learning too.

[–]Iamthenewme 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe you mean sitting down with Mara.

[–]LoveYourSelfish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You see a lot of pianists "zone in" before they start playing. Credit to you, meditation.

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Why the Pain is in Your Head Now listen, I think planned breaks are great. There’s a place for Reddit, reading about Trump, or playing smartphone games. But they need to be planned. When you act on impulse, you weaken your self-discipline. You weaken your ability to act. So what happens? You experience a sharp pain because the process will be uncomfortable. You have two options, you give in to your impulse and delay the pain. Or you embrace it. Mindfulness helps you be aware when you’re avoiding pain. And it helps you to confront it.

Please, can u tell more in depth about this part, because u desribed me, please i beg you!

[–]1IamGale[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Embrace the pain. I want you to reply to this comment. I want you to write me a whole paragraph describing the pain you get when you feel like procrastinating. Write it right now.

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Im excited, i wanted to do this long time ago but didn't have anyone to listen. Beware, my english is not that good

I think i can only explain it like existential crisis sometimes, like i can't break my own shell, that i can't escape reality i'm in. It's not like uncomfortable, it's more like life/death. I feel like i'm killing myself if i start doing things i needed to do, but i persist everytime, and when i did i feel relief, like there is no more danger around and i'm free. I know that that i'm not breaking free, i'm just hitting myself deeper and deeper into the ground. My whole life and reality is based on comfort zone that when i get into situation where i need to break through that i feel like i'm harming myself, it's mental pain

[–]throwaway13297 2 points2 points [recovered]

Thanks for your time writing this, I always look forward to your posts.

[–]GOATmar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What a fucking post full of value.

My god. Seriously an excellent post that should be stickied.

Saved

[–]bigdickbanditss 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I had or still currently have oneitis for a girl who really fucked me up, I won't go into detail but it was cruel and unpleasant. Most of the advice for a problem like this I've read here is "don't think about her, talk about her, look at her social media. Forget she exists. Thinking about her is the same as a drug addict getting his fix. She's your fix."

But this almost proposes the complete opposite approach. Rather than ignoring the pain and diverting my attention from thoughts/memories of her, I should embrace them? But won't this feed my obsession with her? Sorry guys just a confused nub here.

[–]1IamGale[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The pain is in ignoring her completely. It's never speaking to her again. Embrace that pain. That's only temporary as well.

[–]almostayearinthered 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yoga really helped me out for a month and a half, gotta get back to it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a vast improvement on your last two posts. Good to see a return to form.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I fuckin love this post, dude. I think something I've been trying to do that is important in many aspects of life is to just get out of my head.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I could upvote this a thousand times, I would. Threads like this are what keeps me coming back to TRP.

[–]Alpacash 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Brah you lost your frame to the trp why did you stop calling yourself marketing and psych guy

[–]1IamGale[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

You're perceptive, I'm glad you noticed. My last post created a shitstorm of drama and hate (they actually deleted that post, but then brought it back). So I'm testing the waters now with branding.

[–]1OneRedYear 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yah it was a shitpost. 22 year old with no money giving simple advice to being a millionaire and calling himself a guru. You would have shitted on you too. But we all learn. If you didn't fail, how could you get better? This is a better post, we come here for valid useful information and this post gives it. Good job.

[–]Alpacash 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You shouldn't give in tho. Look at Trump, one of the best branders alive, everyone called him a joke but he kept frame.

[–]1IamGale[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yea I've studied Trump. But context is everything. Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere. You'll be hearing more from me.

[–]RealGucciSosa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You need to space out your posts. A new thread a day is overload, and people are increasingly getting skeptical.

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[–]pl00pt 1 points1 points [recovered]

Have you actually bought and tried the Win Hof method course and if so how was it? Do you do the hyperventilation thing before cold approaching and does it pretty much wipe out social anxiety pain?

I actually used to do the hyperventilating thing to kick everyone's butt in breath holding contests at the pool when I was a kid which I thought was a fairly well known thing though I didn't know there was a lot more I could do with it. I also did a month of cold showers but not with this breathing method. I did notice after 20-30 seconds I would feel pretty comfortable even with normal meditation type breathing.

I'm also curious whether Win Hof's stuff is really mindfulness or something entirely unique. They are saying he's stimulating lots of adrenaline whereas typical meditation isn't typically described as an adrenaline rush experience and the breathing method is about as opposite as you can get. Mindfulness seems to be about facing the pain whereas Win seems to be blotting it out physiologically before you even have to deal with it consciously.

[–]1IamGale[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll do another post in a couple weeks with a review of the course.

I've done a lot of the hyperventilating and cold showers and they seem to help a lot with mood.

Wim Hoff deserves a post on his own because there are so many questions.

[–]ShounenEgo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your friend Mark also explained the main cause of Oneitis. To imagine the best possible scenario, expect the best to happen but it's just "that one thing" that stands in front of it, and that's her saying "no" or whatever. When, in reality, there are so many indications that things won't go the way you think, even if she somehow said yes.

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Nothing interesting, obvious things. I'm really disappointed if it's all from "years of studying and practising mindfullness".
"First world problems", btw...