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Red Pill TheoryWomen Do Not Want Your Love (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP VanguardCyralea

Your whole life you’ve been fed a version of reality that has been palatable to you. One day a wandering beta stumbles into TheRedPill and reads one of the most pivotal works ever written here and comes to a crossroads. Do I continue to hold onto the version of reality that I’ve known all my life, or do I start challenging these ideas and see the truth for myself?

That boy takes the first step in his journey towards finally thinking for himself. Any idea that doesn’t hold up to the scrutiny of reality bears challenging, and discarding if necessary.

Still, some ideas are harder than others to let go, because many of them are derived from inward feelings they’ve felt their whole lives. Men know how they feel about women. And many of you have experienced relationships where you well and truly loved a woman. No one could deny you that. A number of challenges and hurdles may have tested that bond, but never did you have a reason to doubt your love. That love is why you chose to keep going, despite it all.

However, there is a large disconnect with the inverse; women do not want your love. It is not what they’re after.

No, what women truly want is value. They want a combination of things that excite their dopamine receptors, none of which come directly from you loving her. She wants your value; your status, your wealth, your protection, your comfort. A man that has all these things can excite a woman by telling her he loves her, only because it means that she is being given a gift. She does not love you. She loves those gifts, the transfer of your value.

Compare and contrast that to what happens when your value is gone. Your love means precisely nothing to her. Quite the opposite, it disgusts her. She does not want your love. She doesn’t want to be loved. She wants to be validated by value, and the words “I love you” do exactly that for her, providing that you offer her some value.

Recognizing this disconnect is yet another step on the TRP journey. Men and women are different in so many regards. This is one more facet of that collection. Men do desire female love. Your brain is wired to crave female love. This is not true with women, and misapplying this with them sets you up for disappointment when your expectations invariably aren’t met.

Your love does not bring with it any intrinsic value. To her it is as worthless as the air that comes out of your mouth when you say it. Treat “I love you” for what it really is – “I’m willing to share my value with you”, because that is what women really desire.


[–]ghebert001 209 points210 points  (16 children)

That's why women do a complete 180 and divorce your ass the second you get laid off and cannot immediately find another job. If you cannot provide resources and protection, you mean nothing to her. No woman has ever gone to a homeless shelter to look for a man with a heart of gold.

[–]OneInAZillion 109 points110 points  (9 children)

And on the flip side of that, no man (or very, VERY few) has gone the extra 100 miles to absolutely demolish a woman in a divorce, take the kids out of spite for no other reason than to fuck with her, even though she's a proven fit parent, and keep twisting that knife for years and years for no other reason than out of pure spite and anger that his "best years" were wasted.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (6 children)

keep twisting that knife for years and years for no other reason than out of pure spite and anger that his "best years" were wasted.

In addition to this, she will keep twisting that knife for years over her anger at being "tricked" into marrying, sleeping with and having kids from a beta.

[–]Crimsonwind85 0 points1 point  (5 children)

What could we call a guy that can do this (hypothetically speaking), and still slay the putty tat ?

[–]Ali_s1987 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Britney spears ex? Whatever the fuck his name is......

[–]the_number_2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Kevin Federline, or K-Fed as tabloids tried to make happen.

[–]Ali_s1987 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He has a new "rap" out................you should totally listen to it. Record it and then we have a snuff film! :P

[–]HS-Thompson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My father did this actually. It sucked.

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[–]Uptonogood 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Actually there was a story here in Brazil of a former male model who become a hobo drug addict. Even no the streets, guy looked good.

Not long after the picture of him looking good on hobo clothing become viral, a woman took him off the streets and gave him everything. Last I've know she had a kid from him.

Goes to say that they really don't care for anything if the potential for good genetic offspring is there. It's instinct.

All this ridiculous checklist of stuff they demand from the betas is truly worthless if the guy is attractive.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I bet that guy still had potential to make cash, as you stay he still looked handsome, but the drugs he was addicted to were holding him back, she saw a potential cash making opportunity in him. I doubt that hobo would be getting female attention if not for the male model past and looks which still existed.

[–]Endorsed Contributorthelandofdreams 2 points3 points  (1 child)

him looking good on hobo clothing become viral,

See, "going viral" is enough to make you sexy to a lot of women. Some women will date a serial killer just because he is on the news.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's true I mean if you went viral you're famous and have potential then at least to make cash. and yeah why does Charles manson have a hot gf.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 170 points171 points  (6 children)

 

Men desire Freedom, Women desire Access

 

If you stick to that rule you will be fine.

A woman desires Access to anything you represent in terms of value.

Your love must come from a position of Freedom. (ego boundry or Frame)

Men love women, women love children, children love puppies

...in that scenario the man holds Frame (has internal Freedom) and loves in a way that rewards the good behavior and punishes the bad.

The beta mistake is to lack Freedom and love as a boy to his mother.

Don't be a needy motherfucker.

 

[–]Chrience 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Your love must come from a position of Freedom. (ego boundry or Frame)

And what better way is there for denying yourself of the freedom needed for enjoying a woman's 'love' than by getting married to her? When you cant punish her for bad behaviour since she would always have the power to leave you and take half your earnings if she feels you 'abused' her in any way?

When you get married, you lose the power from leveraging your ability to leave, and when you lose that power, she loses respect for you. Since child support and alimony laws of 'Marriage 2.0', marriage was rigged to give all the power to her in the relationship and instinctually, that disgusts her. A man cannot lead the family when he has no power over his wife.

Don't get married.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 28 points29 points  (2 children)

The laws are actually worse than that.

Child Support Laws (federal) were adopted in 1950.

Prior to 1950 a woman who was unmarried had no way to place a man into slavery because she got pregnant.

So don't become confused about Marriage.

You are screwed even if you don't marry her.

In fact, the only difference is the potential for alimony and "spousal support" which is another way to milk money out of the guy.

Avoiding marriage is the tip of the iceburg of today's problems.

Prior to 1950 none of these problems existed, so marriage was a reasonable contract.

 

[–]RetroGroovin 4 points5 points  (1 child)

There's videos on YouTube from a MGTOW named Colttaine about the extremely close correlation to the advent of the birth control pill and the bulk majority of modern socioeconomic problems. Right dead smack at 1960.

I'd assume the combination of those child support laws and the birth control pill allowed women to fuck their way into the beds of men with the potential to support them.

Men in extramarital affairs at the time fooled themselves into getting comfortable with nutting in these bitches because of the pill and once enough "accidents" occurred we have the phenomena we witness now.

Definitely screwed either way. Bag up!

[–]NeoreactionSafe 8 points9 points  (0 children)

After WWII there was a top down globalist "plot" (which actually goes back long before) to reduce masculinity worldwide.

WWII was seen as such a terrible thing and masculinity was said to be the cause of it.

That was a complete lie of course, but it allowed the globalists the narrative to pacify the world to their Brave New World vision of consumerism.

Watch the 1998 full movie:

https://vimeo.com/45675847

...the idea that promiscuity is a citizen's duty would fit perfectly into the present day Feminist narrative.

Everything is really being planned in advance and then slowly manifested.

Red Pill wakes us up and allows us to see the process taking place.

 

[–]TomFoo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Women desire Access.

This is taking me awhile to understand.

They don't want money, status, independence. They want your money, status, independence. They don't want freedom, they want access, to you, to an alpha male. This is how they're wired.

Your love must come from a position of Freedom. (ego boundry or Frame)

Many men go from alpha to beta when we get married/LTR'd. We lose frame, fail shit tests, love her as a boy to his mother. A woman do not desire access to a weak male. She feels fulfilled when she is fucked by a free man who does not need her.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Think of how disappointing that must be for a woman.

She seeks Access to someone who calms her hamster which urges her towards Hypergamy only for him to go beta on her.

What a crime.

Masculine polarity is the only cure I believe.

No wonder women hate men... failing so often.

 

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table 83 points84 points  (24 children)

It's in the sidebar, but it bears repeating: The only thing that matters to a woman is another woman.

Realize that everything she does--from the makeup,to the clothes, to the fashion, to the man--all of it is in service to her need to be above other women.

A man is the ultimate tool of a woman's manipulation because he can provide resources and value intrinsic in being an alpha.

You're a tool to her, one that drives her hamster and her ascent over other women.

[–]EdvardMunch 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I have a nice example of that. This plate I was with, I started dating her friend who lives out of town. She seemed upset but played it cool.

One night we were hanging out at a bar and she ends up coming back home with me. We fuck and she quickly leaves the next morning with too many thank you's. She doesn't bite to hangout again and I ask her what's wrong, "well I forgot you were dating so and so" which was a lie. I told her we had quit dating and just as you'd suspect she lost all interest.

She fucked me to gain lost value, and I had perceived value being a man with a woman above her.

Never fear dating too many women at once, it will fuel the flame of desire more than dampen it.

[–]thewrightstuff88 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That's dat preselection at work. The post "When Plates Collide" has some great stuff in there. The most eye opening quote in there is this:

"When women say they don't like it that when a man is a player, simply take it the same way you would if a company told you that it doesn't like the competition. It's a statement made entirely out of self-interest--but they will,out of that same self-interest, strive to be better and keep you around."

[–]Chrience 22 points23 points  (0 children)

And at the same time, there's always a crabs in a bucket mentality with groups of women. They all want to be above eachother but also drag them down to their own level. It's a constant social war between them and there's never any friendship between women without this hidden conflict. A woman can have a close female friend for years, but when she gets fitter and more attractive than her, suddenly she's a 'bitch' and they hate eachother.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is a well written comment and it is correct but she also has another major factor playing with her brain, that is the desire for powerful, attractive and healthy offspring. She will fuck Chad, or even a psycopathic bikie or homeless guy for his sperm alone. In those moments she is not looking for value, status or resources. She is looking for warrior sperm and she does not care what she has to do to get it inside her. Of course we have contraception now, so women can just ride that carousel indefinitely with Chad in night club toilets and his dingy one bedroom apartment. Then at precisely 28 she can panic and decide she needs a good provider to get her pregnant.

[–]1RXRob 6 points7 points  (1 child)

No man ever looked at a woman and said "Damn. That handbag costs £300"

[–]Battle-Scars 11 points12 points  (0 children)

No, but plenty have said about their ex-wife "damn, that hoebag cost me $300,000"

[–]chocobaby 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"You're a tool to her," I was just thinking about men being a backpack to women. She'll "love" her backpack, as long as it carries useful stuff in it. Once it is empty, tattered, or otherwise value-less, she will toss it to the side and move along. Hmmm...BP, back pack...blue pill....coincidence?

[–]ShounenEgo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's in the sidebar, but it bears repeating: The only thing that matters to a woman is another woman.

Corollary: Women are not like dogs like TRP says. They're like cats. They have no friends and they will only approach to purr as long as they have something they want from you.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (14 children)

I think the same is actually true vice versa. It's just that a man's value is more volatile. It can change dramatically within a short time span. A woman's value is more stable. It takes a much longer time to change.

If a fat old lady told you that she loved you (in a romantic/sexual way), that would be disgusting.

A woman's love means she will give you sex. That's the only reason we care about it. That's why we hate the friend zone. Love without sex? What's the point?!

[–]Jigsus 17 points18 points  (7 children)

You are onto something but there are plenty of men who still love their aging wives at 80 when they can't even have sex.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 14 points15 points  (5 children)

Read up on companionate love, versus passionate love.

[–]Jigsus 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I'm not a big supporter of the triangular love theory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_theory_of_love

That's what you were hinting at weren't you?

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Until I read that wiki page just now, I hadn't heard of Steinberg and his Triangle of Love theory. It does look like a useful paradigm especially in the attraction and initial stages of shorter-term relationships.

I was referring to the natural and readily observable evolution of many long-term relationships from passionate to companionate love, which is what keeps sexless 80yos lovingly together till the end.

[–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

That seems like a reasonable theory. I have a broader relationship theory that I call The Color Wheel. You basically have three components to any relationship: sex, love and camaraderie corresponding to red, green and blue. Mix them together and you get other types of relationships: yellow = romance, cyan = friendship, magenta = FWB. And of course, unicorns are white.

[–]Jigsus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I illustrated it http://i.imgur.com/rsWOqwm.png

Use it however you like including whoring for karma. BTW it's "additive color mixing" not the "color wheel". The color wheel is this http://www.dimensionsthruart.com/files/images/color%20wheel%20labeled.gif

[–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ya ya, I know. Color Wheel sounds better than additive color mixing. Certainly it works better than subtractive color mixing.

But cheers for the illustration.

[–]Luis_McLovin 16 points17 points  (0 children)

At that point those men are simply enjoying the feeling of love, its an emotional high, with safe confidence their wives aren't going to run off for some CC action, because face it, she's old as fuck.

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[–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Ya, the ones they find sexy. But they will have sex with unsexy men they love . . . or for the love of money.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's why I was trying to say we only care about a woman's love in so far as it indicates her willingness to have sex with us.

The love is just there to assure us that the sex is likely to continue for a long time and not just be a fling.

[–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women use sex to get love; men use love to get sex.

[–]evileddy 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Love is not a viable resource for women.. they can't buy shoes with your love... now your money they can use.

[–]penis_butter_n_jelly 4 points5 points  (2 children)

women are singularly motivated by showing up other women. they don't actually care about the shoes. they care about having something other women don't.

[–]chocobaby 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Since RP, I am now noticing so many traits in women's behavior. It is amazing to watch, like a train wreck. I have always "seen" ideas. I get a mental picture, like a screenshot, of any particular relationship or situation. The screenshots I'm getting lately are not pleasant but they are enlightening. "women are singularly motivated by showing up other women. they don't actually care about the shoes. they care about having something other women don't." They are at the mercy of their "feels" 99.9% of the time, and can't even disconnect in an objective way for a moment to examine their behavior, forget about changing it.

[–]evileddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder if there's a link between how many shoes a woman has and how many men she fucked...

[–]redpillnexus 11 points12 points  (11 children)

Such a sad truth. Really I've never been bitter and I do have genuine feelings sometimes, but I'm pretty sure the other party never has...

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea[S] 7 points8 points  (9 children)

You eventually come to grips with it. False expectations lead to disappointment down the road.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (8 children)

I dont understand how any redpill man can have an emotional connection with a woman after being redpilled. Even if you're not attached, and don't care about losing her, why care/love something that can never truly return it?

I don't believe in love, I see it as a mating hormone. & I have low empathy, I've never felt anything eemotional for a chick, so I've never been burned. So its quite easy for me to not love, so I might be biased. I just don't understand how a redpill man could love a woman. They're basically life support systems for their pussies to me. Sperm recepticles.

[–]barryberry 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I feel the same way. I have never been 'in love' with someone and have low empathy. It doesn't seem very common, I have talked about this with some people (even a RP friend of me) and none of them understand this at all. Just like I don't understand what kind of idiotic stuff they do for their girlfriends and get bitching in return. Do you know any more people like yourself?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah. I know we're not sociopaths or anything. We just have low empathy. Maybe ask around the sub or ask the mods. I'd be interested in learning more bout it from an RP standpoint too.

[–]pillchangedmylife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Second that. Why invest in something that will most likely yield zero returns - or worse net negative. Sad reality

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even if you're not attached, and don't care about losing her, why care/love something that can never truly return it?

Because it's still rewarding. People love irrationally because it's rewarding. Think of people who buy pet snakes or spiders. Those things cannot love you with anywhere near the same capacity, but people develop emotional connections all the same.

Just accept that it can all end at a moments notice and find peace with that, and you'll do fine.

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    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Its not for me haha. Sometimes I can enjoy a convo with a chick, but most bitches Are boring.

    [–]submitted_5_days_ago 32 points33 points  (8 children)

    Exchanges of power. No more, no less.

    Men's power is hypothetically infinite. Today you have 1 million, tomorrow you can have 1 billion.

    Women are hypergamous because their power is capped. It goes up until the wall, then all the way down.

    Since they only have a capped amount of chips, they must choose to whom they gonna give them so they can have the -what you call- value in return.

    And it's clear, when they see a more valuable bargain for the same amount of chips (spreading their legs X times a week), they gonna switch quite fast!

    It's economics. Everybody would switch where they buy more quantity for the same price.

    [–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (6 children)

    Women compete against each other in a zero sum game. Men can cooperate with each other in positive sum games. It's one reason women don't get along with each other, their collaboration nets no additional value to them.

    [–]Vietnom 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    Is that entirely true though? I remember reading somewhere that women are more attractive in packs.

    [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    My reply was a bit of a non sequitur. Women divide up the value that men bring, men bring value. Men cooperate with each other to add value, and is why men have such things as honor and reciprocity. And it is why women fight with each other and don't like each other much.

    [–]ioncehadsexinapool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I love that. It makes so much sense.

    [–]CSMastermind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The key is that every girl wants the best man for herself. They're not satisfied with having the second best man. So lifting another woman up just hurts their own chances.

    [–]OpiumPhrogg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    That's called the cheerleader effect. Google will tell you all about it.

    [–]chance01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    One reason why women love reality shows; those programs show women deep in their natures - petty, competitive, not seeing any value in getting along, glamed up only to out glam the others,wet paper thin friendships, hypergamy, extracting value from the men who are in relationships with them.

    [–]KartagoPill -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    I would buy more for same prince. It's something basic. Really easy to use this especially when I would had coochie.

    [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (7 children)

    I'd say women want to be loved by a high value man. They do not enjoy the actual act of loving them back.

    I lost frame and snooped my exes texts backed up via google (left her gmail logged in on my computer). I read what she wrote her friends during a 2 week break up period (I left her). She never once mentioned me or any trait of mine, only that she wanted to be loved and not be alone and other things totally centered on her self. In fact, I don't think my name or even a pronoun related pointed to me was used more than a few times in several weeks.

    [–]TRP VanguardCyralea[S] 27 points28 points  (5 children)

    They don't actually want his love. They want the validation and the shared value that comes with it. They want what his saying "I love you" represents. They don't actually care for his love.

    A high value man's love by itself isn't worth anything to women.

    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

    I agree. They want it because it means that he is committed and it will help them socially, materially, and emotionally. Perhaps this is why women are such enthusiastic users of any technology that is a surrogate, such as facebook validation.

    [–]chance01 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    Facebook aka Validation Station.

    [–]chocobaby 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Oh God, try OKCupid....they just bask in the feels glow of hundreds of males trying to get their attention. How about gonewild? Now girls can show off their assets in the sexual marketplace without fear of attack and gangbang, and revel in the adoration of thousands of males. I love seeing them but holy fuck have we gotten lost as men. The playing field in this day and age is so slanted it's almost a wall.

    [–]Daimonon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    We've all been there. Shit happens.. you break up or whatever stupid decision you make to split up temporarily. You're out with your buds, you do have some fun but in the back of your mind, you miss her, how you feel with her.. maybe you even tell your buds about it.

    On the other hand, all the woman will mention is what she wants and how she wants to feel without actually referring to you at all, like you were a piece of equipment similar to a cellphone, for example.

    [–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (7 children)

    They dont want my love, They just want my potential - The Weeknd

    [–]TechnoRaptor -4 points-3 points  (6 children)

    I mean they want both, but one is definitely much more important

    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

    Its a song bro, You might like it.

    The party & the after party by the weeknd.

    [–]Skully5591 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    All his previous albums were so dope. Dislike the latest one. Downsides of going mainstream.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    True. Check out my summary of his music on the TRP front page bro.

    I miss that druggied out, "fuck bitches no commitment, xo me and my niggas ballin" music he was making tho.

    [–]Dat_Black_Guy 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    that shit was were it was at!

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Hell yeah. Can you think of any other RP music?

    [–]Dat_Black_Guy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    i'd say some DMX (also great for workouts), Camrom (the whole dipset team) the song "suck it or not" comes to mind

    [–]stonecats 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    the dopamine trigger sequence of events may vary. a very desirable women may believe you can give her all the stuff she needs, and will then seem to love you - thus you foolishly love her back. in time she decides you are not as rewarding to be with as she assumed, so she dumps you and leaves you heart broken. this sequence may be great for guys just hooking up, but it's terrible for those looking for a lasting relationship.

    so guys should play it cool with the hook up approach, then if you survive her scrutiny and friends vetting and she still wants what you have to offer - you are in the drivers seat as to keeping her around or continuing to play the field. this is why relationship looking guys should never rush the engagement period, and if an engagement is broken by her - short of you winning a 10mil lottery, she's not going to stick around for a second try.

    [–]benuntu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This happened to me in one of my first relationships out of divorce. Luckily, I was jaded enough from the breakup to not want anything serious. But man, she sure did put on the dog and pony show.

    I make a decent living, kept my house after the divorce, work out regularly, etc. From the outside, I'm sure it looked like I was very well off. But in reality I live frugally because I'm literally the only earner in my household. This woman was head over heels for me, texting all the time, sex whenever I wanted, however I wanted. Then after she began to see that I wasn't going to be buying her gifts or sending us on lavish vacations, she pulled back big time! Once the illusion of access to my money disappeared, she lost interest.

    It's funny, she's still a FWB but that's all. I think she's hoping that eventually I'll loosen the purse strings. And now that I've seen her true nature, she's never getting anything more than what she has now.

    [–]hbPUA 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Great reminder of how men are success objects, women sex objects. Don't fall in love with her.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Trp men should not fall in love.

    [–]uncommonstupidity 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    The only woman that -might- ever love you is your biological mother, but only so long as she sees you as a viable means of passing on her genetic information. If your father loves you, congrats, because he could run off and start a new family NOW

    [–]_trpdude 14 points15 points  (18 children)

    Do I continue to hold onto the version of reality that I’ve known all my life, or do I start challenging these ideas and see the truth for myself?

    I actually think it would be pretty hard to remain ignorant after having been exposed to the truth. After you know it, you just see it everywhere.

    [–]Modredpillschool 22 points23 points  (3 children)

    I actually think it would be pretty hard to remain ignorant after having been exposed to the truth. After you know it, you just see it everywhere.

    Some kiddos get the pill stuck in their throat and whine on subs like ex-redpill about how they were suckered into believing a false reality but now they've escaped it.

    You don't swallow the red pill and then change your mind. They never understood it to begin with.

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    [–]1theoctopuss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    They can't handle the truth.

    They were told that if they do everything "right", they would be rewarded with a loyal wife regardless of looks or game.

    When reality hits them in the face, when they realize that the uneasy gut feeling wasn't just because of a terrible diet, the autonomous mind will do things to protect itself. Either the ego will regress to a point where it isn't conflicted, or it will splinter and compartmentalize the information. They don't have the capacity to handle such a stressor on the psyche.

    Men with less testosterone will give up, or look for ways to subvert biology. Men with more testosterone will run into red pill ideology headfirst.

    [–]5t3fan0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    when i first discovered TRP i also checked that sub... then read only one thread, only once.... it was so pathetic and disgusting and sad that i noped the fuck out in 5 min, never to return.

    [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (8 children)

    Yep, saw Gregg Allman on his current tour a few days ago. He played a beautiful song called "multicolored lady". It is amazingly romantic and blue pill. I looked around the auditorium and realized why I've never heard a woman write a song like that about a man. Further, the drunk women at the show kept trying to draw attention to themselves and be part of the show. It was my uncle's birthday and I took him to the show as his gift. My uncle is gay but masculine as hell and RP (when my friends find out his gay they are literally shocked beyond belief). He leaned over and said "damn, I'm so lucky I don't like these dumb bitches". I laughed and agreed.

    [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (7 children)

    See, i dont think most men are bothered by masculine gays. I dont care if you like dick, as long as you still act like a man. Its the feminine Flamboyant faggots that ruin it for gay men. Just cause you like dick doesnt mean you have to act like a woman. I have a gay masculine neighbor named JT, we shoot pool and do shots sometimes. Cool ass dude.

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    Yep, my uncle himself doesn't care for the antics of flamboyant gays. He is the type to have long term partners, I've met them and am very good friends with his current. And they are all masculine and cool as hell. Type of guys that invite you to go shoot their new varmint rifle they just got at an auction or drive their sports car.

    He jokes about flamers. The guy that dog sits for him is a former drag queen. I was eating a sandwich with them before my uncle and I were going somewhere, and the drag queen dropped part of his sandwich down his shirt. My uncle retorted "thank god your bra caught that!" And we all, including the queen, laughed our asses off.

    He is my closest relative outside of nuclear family. I learned he was gay when I was 16 years old. He has impacted my life positively in many ways, and I love him dearly. The fact that his other family and I totally accept him has brought us all closer.

    Anyways, just felt like sharing a bit more.

    EDIT: One more thing, the only time most well adjusted men dislike gays is when they are aggressively hitting on them and seem oblivious to our none response. There are a few "sex addictie" gays at my gym that cruise me all the time despite me showing zero interest. I hate that shit, must be what hot women deal with daily.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Thats awesome bro. Family is important, especially masculine family. Masculine brotherhood is a great thing. I have low empathy, But i have 2-4 bros Im great friends with and were like brothers. Loyalty is a great thing to have between bros. You gotta take care of your brothers/family/squad.

    [–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    One time I was online and a ladyboy started chatting with me. It was friendly but I made it clear it wasn't going anywhere. At one point the discussion turned to fashion and I made some sort of comment that prompted her/him/it to say "I'm a tranny, not a fag!" Flamers ever disgust trannies!

    I spent a few months working part time in a porn/sex shop. Most of the other employees (all male) and the "regulars" (who would buy stuff but a lot of times would just hang around) were gay. I got hit on a flirted with all the time even when making it clear I didn't swing that way. When that was pointed out to one of the regulars apparently he said "Oh, I can turn him."

    Living in Vancouver for 3 years basically cured me of any "homophobia" because getting hit on by guys became so normalized it didn't bother me any more. Plus, it gives you some insight into what decent looking women have to put up with.

    [–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    One time I was online and a ladyboy started chatting with me. It was friendly but I made it clear it wasn't going anywhere. At one point the discussion turned to fashion and I made some sort of comment that prompted her/him/it to say "I'm a tranny, not a fag!" Flamers ever disgust trannies!

    I spent a few months working part time in a porn/sex shop. Most of the other employees (all male) and the "regulars" (who would buy stuff but a lot of times would just hang around) were gay. I got hit on a flirted with all the time even when making it clear I didn't swing that way. When that was pointed out to one of the regulars apparently he said "Oh, I can turn him."

    Living in Vancouver for 3 years basically cured me of any "homophobia" because getting hit on by guys became so normalized it didn't bother me any more. Plus, it gives you some insight into what decent looking women have to put up with.

    [–]5t3fan0 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    before TRP i believe gay men were cool to like their own things and behave how they wanted..... after TRP (and some female drama) i think they're lucky as fuck, and that probably love between two masculine gay men is the most real love one man can hope for

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that either roman or Greek soldiers were encouraged to engage in homo sex, for male bonding before war. I'm not sure tho.

    [–]5t3fan0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    dont know about that, but i know about the "sacred band of thebes" a small 300 men (150 gay couples) elite oplite band, regarded as the best soldiers the powerful city-state could deploy against the famous spartans (the real armoured ones, not the comic-book strippers) during the corinthian war around 400BC

    [–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    I actually think it would be pretty hard to remain ignorant after having been exposed to the truth.

    Knowing is one thing, acting is another. Codependency is a form of addiction and it is very real for those of us who have been plagued by it. It actually made me powerless, it made me live a life out of my control. Now as I'm getting better, I'm actually thinking about rewriting TRP stuff into a model of addiction - it is more palatable to me this way. See my recent comments to see what I mean. But, be warned, I believe that only those who genuinely felt their own addiction and understand the mechanisms are able to grasp this properly.

    [–]1PrinceofSpades 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    There are many ways to act once you know, and it is none of our place to critique those who have chosen. Of those I have educated with TRP successfully over the years (as many are prone to reject the pill), one cracked and swore off women altogether, one lifts with me regularly and comes out with me to pull ass from time to time (and does so frequently on his own), and the last used it to break free from his horribly controlling and abusive ex and instead found another woman to say 'I love you' to, except this time around he wears the pants when he needs to, and doesn't put up with shittests from her end ever. He lets her be in charge sometimes when it benefits him or makes him happy, but the second she acts up, he steps in and puts her correctly back into place. They couldn't be happier.

    All three of these men are correct. They are living their own way in response to learning the truth about society as it pertains to both men and women. All three acted, they just chose different courses of action to make them the most happy. That's ultimately the point of all of this: for you as an individual to find your own happiness after learning the truth about the world around you.

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Indeed. Unlike Cypher and the Matrix, once you've become unplugged, there is no going back in. Deny it all you want, but the truth of this stuff has a way of bubbling up to the top and staring you in the face. However different you wish the world could be.

    [–]soadaa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Exactly. After experiencing it firsthand a few times and reading everything here, there's no denying the truth. There's no going back, not that I'd want to go back.

    Some people actively chose to lie to themselves though. I parallel it to obese and lazy fucks telling themselves they can't change things but it's also okay that they can't anyway.

    [–]huge_gap 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    So true. TL:DR women only want the value you provide them through status, safety, and escape. They only "love you" for as much value you provide in any of these categories.

    [–]KermitTheeFrog777 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Impressively concise. Brilliant mantra for calibrating your expectations.

    And as they say, happiness is being better-off than expected.

    [–]PinnacleOfHate 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    "She doesn't love YOU. She loves how you make her FEEL." comes best to mind.

    [–]chocobaby 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Succinctly put Mr. Pinnacle.

    [–]pfffft_comeon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    am I the only one not concerned with this? i don't really care about being loved by anybody but family/friends. i've got that. i don't expect it from girls and it doesn't motivate me. when it comes to girls, i care about a chick that could be a good mother and has a lower chance of fucking with me and the kid if we divorce.

    by extension i don't really care if i provide them value or whatever bullshit. once again, zero motivation to do that.

    [–]bromance946 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Well yeah, women don't care if some loser who they don't respect loves them. Your feelings =/= her feelings. I guess that makes sense.

    [–]TheFabledWIzard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Women care only about their emotions.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

    I dont feel any desire to be loved by women, I just want to fuck and then i want them to leave. Then again, I have a fucked up brain and low empathy. What can regular men do to get rid of that craving for female love, besides fuck a ton of chicks?

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    That's what I figured. I feel bad for regular dudes who crave that soft acceptance and being able to drop their guard around a woman, cause they'll never find it.

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    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I don't crave it. I've hated women all my 16 years of life, never felt an emotion for them besides lust.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    One could make the case that men don't love women either. Men love the tang, the booty and the supahead - and the adulation that comes with it. When you're the man and you're on top of your game, other men wanna know who you are and wanna talk to you - that's an addictive feeling. More than cocaine. More than alcohol. More than getting some banging chick on your ding-a-ling.

    People in general just do shit to impress. That's why they post all the "highlights" on Facebook even though most of their lives aren't that great. Niggas lean against nice cars that ain't even theirs and take pics just to put it on Facebook. No joke.

    [–]Jigsus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Many people don't subscribe to that sort of attention and the ones that do usually do it as a way of attracting women.

    [–]socialinjusticewar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    ... they want satisfaction. They've gotta find themeselves another piece of the action cause they're crazy.

    [–]Lord_Trolldermort 0 points1 point  (7 children)

    What does TRP say about ethnic men who's social value is actually lower?

    Eg. I am Asian. Most white women do not like me. Poor matches on Tinder, even in "diverse" cities. Asians are considered to have the worst men. After right swiping thousands of times, most matches were other Asian women (60%), followed by black (15%), white (20%), and other (middle eastern / Indian, 5%)

    [–]TRP VanguardCyralea[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You'd get more help on AskTRP, but the short answer is that it doesn't really matter. I'm not white either. You need high value, and being ethnic is only a tiny knock against that.

    Asian guys who are fit, have game and some social status do just fine.

    [–]Whitified 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    Im Asian too but i find it an advantage. I don't understand your struggle

    BTW maybe you should stop using Tinder and dating apps, etc. Its a cesspool

    [–]Lord_Trolldermort 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    May I ask which country, or if you're stateside, which state you live in?

    [–]Whitified 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Singapore. I've spent much time in LA though, and during my stay there i still don't find my race a problem. If anything, women like it if you're secure enough to even to joke about it.

    That, and don't meet girls using dating apps.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/SimplePickup

    I looove this youtube channel. One asian and one indian guy. Average looking, no money, no status. Picking up girls like champs. Confidence is King. Check it out.

    [–]Lord_Trolldermort 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Are you going for white women only?

    [–]Whitified 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Nope. I go for hot women only. Don't matter what colour they are.

    Don't worry about race. Really. If a girl rejects you, its because of something else, regardless what she says. In this case, your insecurity.

    [–]1Jax77789 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Just find a way to become fearsome.

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    [–]TRP VanguardCyralea[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    It's not about purity. The mechanics of love are simply different between us. Male love is wholly irrational and intentionally intoxicating. We're designed to irrationally stay with our partners for evolutionary reasons.

    Women have no such mechanisms. Their biological reality plays out differently.

    [–]chocobaby 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Truth. We all like to think that we are autonomous free willed creatures striving for a wonderful life. We are no different than amoebas in a petri dish following our genetic orders, all the while telling ourselves that we are different.

    [–]1Jax77789 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Value to a woman is not entirely your ressources, it is, I think, also your genes, your behavior, your violence, your social proficiency, your force etc power in one form or another respective to her. A well off woman will still bang a charismatic jerkboy, a violent thug, a smooth talker over an industrious beta bucks. They will never respect you thanks to your money.

    Look up Musk's bitch. Elon is worth billions, he is changing the world and the bitch does not give a shit, walks all over him, divorces rape him TWICE. Also look at the german women swooning over the immigrants. Ressources them ? Nah, they are dirt poor, illiterate, mostly scrawny ugly and stupid but they would beat the shit out of the average german man. Therefore they are the preferred choice.

    Musk's predicament is why I am working on dominating women with only implied brute force and social proficiency ( validation, negs, humilation techniques) and to never talk about my assets. Just have them in your claws and they open their asses. Money will not get them to "love you", only to use you. Sure you can be an Alpha Bucks, but the moment you show them money they will tend to see you as a walking wallet to be plundered, even more so these days when they feel entitled to everything without having to give anything in return. Better to rule over them with a sword than with a vault full of gold ingots. Just my 0.02$. Now the consequence of this is a dysgenic progression of population and a civilizational decline, but hell, this is our time. Thug up. Keep your money for yourself.

    Sorry for the long comment.

    [–]benuntu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I think it's a bit more nuanced that this, but I agree with the general idea. Firstly they want value, THEN they want love. In fact, they want love so bad it drives them insane and they will do all sorts of things they've never done to get it...so long as the value is there.

    So I wouldn't say women don't want your love, I'd say that they only want it from those that excite them with value. Loyal women will stick with you through periods when your value is lower (unemployed, injured, etc.). But few women will stick around if your value is permanently lowered (disabled, incarcerated, etc.). Moral of the story is defend your value at all costs, because it's the key to keeping a woman craving your love. I mean, if you're into that.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Human nature is selfish, we all want to be worshiped.

    If you're meeting women who don't want to be loved, you need to take a good look in the mirror and figure out why it is that you seem to meet women who don't want to be loved.
    More to the point, how can you stand having conversations with someone who doesn't love herself? Even sluts want to be loved. (Sometimes especially)

    They just want you to prove to them that they have value, and to them that proof comes in the form of "taking" your commitment.

    [–]123Jobber 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Hugh Jackman is out of his damn mind

    [–]TRP VanguardCyralea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    There's a theory that he's a closeted homosexual and that Deborra-Lee Furness is just his cover. Personally, I can see it.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    We all know women dont want your love. I dont understand why parts of TRP say you can love women in an ltr in the captain/first mate dynamic then. IMO, A redpill man should never fall in love with a woman.

    [–]1PrinceofSpades 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    Because you're allowed to love a woman, whether she wants it or not. You love her for you, because it's soemthing you desire and soemthing that makes you happy by improving your perceived quality of life in some way.

    Notice a trend? It still needs to be about you. I've loved some first mates I've had, but I loved them because I wanted to love someone, and because they earned it from me. I didn't love them because they wanted it, or because of who they were. I wanted a woman to love at that point in my life, and she just happened to be that woman at that time. A TRP man should never get attached, but he is allowed to love. Just make sure it's on his terms, and never expect it to last forever.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    But loving her is investment, and lowers your value and attraction in her eyes.

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    [–]1PrinceofSpades 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Indeed; hopefully your attraction and value is high enough from the gym and your career success that it doesn't matter. It's still a privilege for her to be with you and not the other way around. That's how successful and happy TRP-oriented marriages and families are successfully run, because she knows you're the best she'd ever have, and you were dumb enough to pick her forever instead of a never-ending line up of young, hot, and fertile women that your looks, wealth, and power have earned and can access. It's the man taking the blow, for the sake of progeny.

    Women no longer know their own value, and thus are no longer worth loving or giving love to. Not all investments are bad; most pay off rather well. Hell, I've used I love you to keep a girl with me for a few extra months of great sex in the middle of a break up because I knew things were ending the end of that summer anyways. I made an investment for a short term gain and a long term loss, but didn't go all in or overcommit and so I walked away fine and unscathed.

    [–]Wel108 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    No it doesn't if your value remains high as a man, and as long as she is beneath you in status. Being in a LTR is hard work, you cannot slack off, and the higher you go in SMV as a partner, the harder is is to maintain.

    [–]remyseven 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    The girl I'm dating right now is a tomboy and she says she loves wholeheartedly and she doesn't share. But does she share herself?

    [–]1introvertp -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Be what she WANTS, not what she needs.

    [–]choomguy -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

    TL;dr. Women and men define love differently.

    [–]Chrisrus -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

    Absolute nonsense. Women want nothing more than to fall in love, get married, and live the rest of their lives in love. I shudder to think what what causes you to think like this.

    [–]TRP VanguardCyralea[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    Women want marriage because of the status and validation. Use some critical thought here; women are far more excited about the particulars of a marriage than the person they are marrying. They literally plan the weddings in their heads before they meet the person they marry.

    You're at that crossroad. Challenge your pre-existing ideas, or run back to safety.

    [–]Chrisrus -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    When they have those dreams of weddings, they imagine they will be deeply in love with the man. Women fall in love all the time and love is typically extremely important to them. I can prove it.

    [–]TRP VanguardCyralea[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    What you are referring to as love isn't the same as male love. They are wrapped up in the excitement, the validation, the status. They live for this type of elevation of social status. She will be enamored with the person providing these things to her, but only for that provision.

    Once a man has provided her the wedding, it's curious how that love quickly dissipates. Women want a wedding, not a marriage.

    [–]Chrisrus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Here, look at the Rainman Twins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNH46zvp_H8&index=3&list=PL145735F3391F90B0 skip to about 3 minutes in.

    They are too autistic to possibly have any such motivations yet to deny that they are in love with Dick Clark is irrational.

    Here, you may have seen this famous viral video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTCm8tdHkfI of Cody, the little girl you will agree is obviously desperately in love with Justin Bieber. She is obviously too young and mentally underdeveloped to have any such schemes about status and validation.

    Women fall in love all the time, it's the nature of the beast. The fact that you can't see such an obvious thing means sad things about you.

    [–]Horus_Krishna_2 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    it's kind of sad and painful to face the reality of the situation. love doesn't exist that's an abstract concept like god. dopamine goes off in our head when we're happy, and yeah it is based on sex and also the validation of others seeing you with an attractive mate. And for women cash is a major factor in what makes a guy attractive.

    [–]Chrisrus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    You might want to check what scientists have published on the topic.