Red Pill TheoryHow to bang on a first date - By Luke Mooney (self.TheRedPill)

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Always assume that you’re going to bang - that is the best piece of advice I can give you.

1. Attire. Wear clothes you are comfortable in. I don’t mean actual comfort; I mean clothes that you have scored in before, or had compliments about. The aim is to avoid the uncomfortable feeling of insecurity regarding a new garment, or combination of garments. Being relaxed is key.

If you wear brown shoes, wear a brown belt. Black shoes, black belt. Don’t wear blue jeans and a blue shirt unless the shades of blue are extremely different. As a general rule, wear brown shoes + Brown belt with blue. The quality of your clothing is not as important as the colour coordination. Get used to looking at your clothes as a net effect. Generally, women are far more perceptive about colour coordination than men, you should be coordinated whilst not looking like you tried too hard.

Aftershave, perfume, whatever – do not over do it! If you’re going to trim nails, pubes, cut hair, whatever, do it 2-3 days before so by the time you are on the date you feel natural, (length of time for haircut to feel natural may be longer.)

2. Pre-drink. Have ONE pre-drink. In order to connect with the target you need to be on a similar level (Roosh: Bang) if you arrive drunk you’ll both sense it and the connection is lost. One drink will loosen you up and she will probably have done the same, thereby starting the date on the same level.

Avoid drugs before hand, cocaine makes you talk shit, your eyes look wide and they can sense something is off almost immediately. MDMA makes you seem too laid back and dreamy. Weed makes you too paranoid, and prescription meds generally zone you out. I have experimented with all the above to get an edge, and the only one that I’ve found can help is beta blockers, if you are REALLY nervous. Otherwise, that nervousness is actually needed in order to help form the connection, as on first dates, senses are heightened and the want to connect is already there. The other drug I sometimes take, are dick pills al a Brian Redban (JRE:784#). If the date is going well I might take ONE – it makes me horny which turns the girl on further, IF the date is going well. Sometimes I’ll drop before the date, just to see what happens, but that’s basically just to fuck with myself – if you want to take a dick pill, do it after you’ve begun to make out and grope.

3. Hold your frame on arrival. Don’t get lost in the nervous swirl of “how to play it” as you make your way there, or whilst you are waiting. Be natural. She will be nervous, therefore make your frame rock steady strong and calm, she will be more than happy to fall in to it.

Greet with big smile, open arms, double cheek kiss to double hand hold <- advanced move. Ask her how she is, do the polite “fine thank you”, “did you get here ok?” etc. Veering from the script of social norms too early is a risk.

If you meet outside somewhere, do not instantly start walking to the destination as soon as she arrives, have your little stop and chat, then you tell her, ok let’s go to XYZ. If you meet in a bar, similarly do not immediately ask her what drink she wants, have your little awkward first conversation, then tell her what you’re going to drink, and then ask her what she wants. Women as we know can be notoriously bad at making decisions, if she starts umming or looks confused about what drink to have – just suggest a mojito. 9 times out of 10 she will start to think she’s Carrie Bradshaw and will say “OK!”

4. Lead the interaction. Already have planned your approximate bar crawl – 3 bars is good. You are flexible and can roll with the punches, as the goal is to create the feeling of knowing each other more than you actually do (Neil Strauss: The Game) – and, gives you three opportunities to tell her where you’re going. Make it seem natural though, not like your some fucking weirdo that plans dates, which is what you have actually done.

After you practice you’ll find you have different routes for different towns that you have set in your head, this is when you’re a real baller. Bonus points if you can get them on public transport for a VERY small amount of time to get to the next bar. Trains > Buses.

5. Pay for the first round, and be prepared to pay for the entire date. I didn’t say it was equal opportunities – I said it was how to bang. Dates are different to club scenes where being overly generous is a beta move. On a date, paying is not quite the same. If she offers, let her pay. If she doesn’t you can either walk, or get your wallet. Realistically she’ll pay for one round, for your two. If you’re reading this screaming – “I never pay for two rounds or buy drinks for girls!” then you’re a faggot. I’m not saying be an open wallet, but there is a way to pay for things, which makes you lead; men have been doing it since the stone age, tap in to that.

6. Drink Selection Cocktails are good. Firstly the placebo NLP effects of saying “cock” (Can’t remember his name: The Game). Secondly, they contain shit loads of alcohol and taste like sugary drinks. Alcohol is a great lubricant. Be careful that you don’t drain you drink whilst she is still on the first 10% of hers. Avoid pints of lager, you’ll be pissing every 5 minutes, burping like a camel, and your breath will stink of shit. Bottles of Proseco to share are good, cocktails are great, and white wine is good, or shorts, i.e. Jack and Coke, Gin and Tonic etc.

Encourage selection of cocktails, choosing different cocktails, and the trying of each other’s cocktails. The combination of different alcohol will get you both more drunk, the shared experience will boost the date, and the sharing of different opinions on flavours inevitably leads to “UMMMMMMS!” and “oh yeah, try this one!” – all very positive and fun.

7. Conversation stay on script – to begin with; what do you do, what’s new, how did you and mutual friend meet, where did you go to college, etc. The intention is to not fuck it up or seem weird. RSD Julien calls this “dumbing down” and I have to agree. Start boring and work your way in to an interesting conversation. For years I would turn up and let all my freak out the bag instantly whilst being completely IDGAF about it. Yeah it worked most of the time, but I also scared a few off. This new boring and then gradually working up to interesting / quirky is giving me an improved success %. It also kind of plays in to frame; I don’t want to be too emotional too quickly, even if those emotions are positive and fun. I want to be rock steady cool and then gradually work my way in to the interaction like a natural. As the date progresses and the alcohol takes effect you will naturally begin to laugh more and talk about all sorts of things – even by agreeing to meet you she already has one foot in your bed, remember that.

8. First Kiss When she wants to be kissed – just do it. You know the moment, because you feel it. It should be taken at first opportunity; failure to do so for too long will severely damage your chances of getting the notch. Also gradually work an arm around her waist as you do it, they love a bit of groping. See Vin Di Carlo Escalation ladder for the basics.

9. Transitioning to the crib When it’s time to fuck – do it. Staying in the bar too late for the sake of it just means you’re too scared to take bang. After 3-4 drinks, just say “time to go home” and just act like she’s coming with you, if there’s any LMR or she starts saying about how SHE is going to get home, just say “I think you should come home with me” – hold eye contact, then begin to smile, then kiss. (Point 9 assumes point 8 has happened and that you’ve been passionately making out and groping her sufficiently).

10. Fucking. Get in to your room, make-out standing, pull at her clothes, and grope slowly but stronger than in the bar. If you’re able, PICK HER UP; put one arm between her legs up to your inner elbow, so that your bicep is almost touching where her pubes would be, and your inner elbow is right up against her vag. The other arm goes around her upper-back. Do this slowly, and then walk to your bed whilst holding eye contact, either throw or put her on the bed. For a film example see “last Tango in Paris” it’s in the first sex scene – As a Red Pill man you should be well acquainted with this film anyway for a variety of reasons that I won’t go in to now.

Don’t bother climbing on top for kissing and grinding with clothes on, just start pulling them off. Even if she starts to take them off herself, you carry on “helping” her, just make sure you’re not doing it too gently. Look at her with eyes of lust, in fact do everything with lust. You can also fully undress before bed, whatever you want to do, do it, whatever you want to taste, take it.

The first sexual encounter will usually define to a large extent how the sexual dynamic will be in future. When you cum, make noise, I know, it can be difficult, I myself was a mute lover for years, but trust me, you gotta get primal, throw in a few “ah fuck” ‘s as you get close, and pull her tight and do real power pumps as you see the stars (Sex God Method – for full explanation). I like to fuck like a wild animal then spoon like a baby.

Enjoy. Uncle Luke

[–][deleted] 141 points142 points  (101 children)

Alternatively you can invite the girl straight to your place with a pretense like "cooking dinner". I've fucked 4 tinder girls in the past 2 weeks doing this, no LMR

EDIT: for guys that have never tried this, it works best if your tinder profile has a real scumbag look about it. I wear dog tags, have my ears pierced etc. and my photos send the message that I'm just a guy looking to get laid. That way all the girls who come over know exactly what they're getting into.

Literally on your 3 or 4th message just say "tomorrow I'm gonna cook dinner and watch this movie I've been wanting to see, you're welcome to join me."

Of course some girls will stop responding when you say that, but if you have about 25 matches, odds are VERY good that one of them will be down

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (50 children)

I will verify that this works. Chicks love men who can cook, and it bypasses her ASD and LMR because it gives her a legitimate reason to come over (free food). Plus I get to show off my house, which most women want, which is more SMV added to you.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (45 children)

I'm gonna start doing this, I've got a really nice place. Good excuse to learn how to cook a few things

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 91 points92 points  (12 children)

All these recipes are easy but have a bit of a unique twist that most chicks have never seen. Some are even fun to do with them like the grilled cheese.


Newbie Dishes That make you Look like a Master

The Ultimate Steak Sandwiches - Gordon Ramsay This right here is one of the best steak I've ever ate in my entire life. It's at the top of my list for a reason. Just make sure you get the right cut. It's expensive but jesus it's amazing. I actually don't do the sandwiches and just substitute carrots. I throw some olive oil and canola butter in there with a ton of carrots underneath the thyme. There are very few things better than fried carrots cooked in steak sauce with canola butter.

If you go the carrot route, fry the steak for a sec and add the sauce to the pan and a tiny bit of thyme leaves. Then cook the carrots for about 20mins, then put the rest of the thyme and steak on top. That way everything comes out cooked for the correct amount of time.

How to Cook Perfect Steak | Jamie Oliver The basic A, B, C's of cooking different kinds of cuts. Different cuts have different requirements for cooking. Some are amazing medium well, others are better medium rare. Learn the cuts and how to cook them.

Grilled Grilled Cheese Awesome spin on a classic. Great taste and really great for cooking with a girl, getting some kino in, etc.

Gennaro's Gorgeous Grilled Fish With Pesto Dressing This is my go too if I'm feeling fish. It has a unique taste that you can apply to any fish that most people, at least if you don't live on the coast have never had.

Roast Potatoes Three Ways | Jamie Oliver simple but awesome side dish

Amazing Fried Pizza | Antonio Carluccio Another unique twist on a classic dish. It's the longest to prep on this list but damn it's good once it's done. I suggest you prep the dough before the girl gets there or you can do it together and then leave for an hour or two too do something else.


Cooking is seriously an amazing skill to have. Every chick I've ever cooked for was impressed that I even knew what i was doing, never mind i just spent 5 minutes searching on youtubing and 20 buying ingredients. Some chicks even openly tell me it's sexy as fuck. Even had a few first dates give me head right in the kitchen as i cook. It's a really quick way to separate yourself from every other basic mother fucker out there. It's the second thing I picked up once i found TRP. Gym being the first. Lift, eat, sleep. Fuck up any of them and you'll fuck up the rest.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I'm absolutely loving all the cookery comments! I'm going to go back to the drawing board - and get some home dinner dates. Then report back in 6 months with my findings.

It's a decent topic not well covered now that I think about it - cooking for dates. Lots of stuff to look in to!

[–]1PrinceofSpades 5 points6 points  (0 children)

New dishes to add to my own repitoire? Clint delivering big-time today!

[–]GooseJuice-xo 7 points7 points [recovered]

Hey man would you consider a full post about this at some point?

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Show me your tits and I will

[–]Regularguygamebrah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Somebody send this man their tits!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

All of the worlds best chefs are male. Cooking is something that many men love, we like to create, we love to bbq and we are better at it than women. Learn to cook guys, it will make you healthier and you will live better and have an extra date option which will always get you laid.

[–]Moldy_Gecko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow... I love grilled cheese. I learned about grating a while ago, this is next in the evolution.

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

dude this is fucking AMAZING! thanks so much.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (14 children)

Cooking is easy as fuck. If you can read a recipe, you can cook. Women make it out to be this special skill or something that only they can possess lol. No need to get fancy with all these Pinterest recipes that takes like 4 hours to cook a turkey burger either.

[–]1PrinceofSpades 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Yeah... The second I started cooking for myself, I learned that I'm a better cook than any girl I've ever had in my life, sans my mother who has a culinary degree. Downside to that was growing up eating a bunch of dishes I had no interest in though, while with self-cooking you always get exactly what you want to eat.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

while with self-cooking you always get exactly what you want to eat.

I'm pretty sure i didn't want all this burnt food.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (5 children)

It's amazing that so few women can cook worth a shit despite 1) that's one of the most valued skills a female has in a man's eyes and 2) as you said it's not difficult to learn and do. They're so fuckin lazy..

[–]wiseprogressivethink 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Sort of a rule about women is that if they don't have to do something, they won't be doing it.

Microwave dinners and fast food made it so that women don't have to cook anymore, so they don't (unless their man makes them).

[–]1PrinceofSpades 9 points10 points  (3 children)

And we wonder why so many American and Western European women are fat as fuck now.

[–]Sdom1 12 points13 points  (3 children)

This depends. Being a truly good cook is more difficult than you're imagining. Just following a basic recipe is not too difficult, but that doesn't make you any good.

[–]tripwire1 14 points15 points  (2 children)

I don't disagree with you, but you're kind of nitpicking a little bit. The main goal in this context is basically just to make girls think you're a good cook. I can't tell you how many times I've followed a simple recipe for something like pork loin, chicken parm, etc, and had girls actually say "oh my god" out loud when they tried it and complimented me like I was the iron chef or something.

[–]Sdom1 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Sure, I get that. But at that point, what you mean is "getting good enough at cooking to impress a young girl is easy," which it is. That's different than "it's easy to become a good cook." What you described is bare bones level proficiency, and that's all it takes to impress some plumber's 20 year old daughter who grew up eating food out of bags and boxes because her whore mother never cooked cause feminism.

And look, maybe that's enough. Maybe that's all you're interested in doing, and that's alright. If it gets you laid, then more power to you. I'm just saying, don't learn a sloppy jab and think you can box.

[–]Regularguygamebrah 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I respect this mentality. Cooking is easy, I cook all the time but getting in a commercial kitchen and putting out consistently good dishes is extremely difficult.

[–]CornyHoosier 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Shake your money maker man! I keep my place spotless (and unique) just in case friends or ladies are coming over.

Pro Tip: Women hate dirty toilets. Don't just clean the lid and lip ... clean the front of the toilet, base of the toilet and the tank lid.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

note to self: clean all shit and piss off the toilet if you want to impress a girl. Thanks RP!

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I always invite them for dinner at my place. Talk about holding frame...you own the frame, from the moment they step inside. Have a decent bottle of wine unopened but on the counter, so she doesn't wonder about the whole drugs in the drink BS, hand her the corkscrew, "here Stacey, there are glasses in the cupboard."

[–]BowlOfCandy 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Meal subscription delivery services like Hellofresh and BlueApron are excellent for this: 3x meals for two each week. It's about $10/meal all in, which is cheaper than take-out but more expensive than cooking from scratch.

$20 dinner date, healthy meal, don't need to grocery shop. Also a great way to learn how to cook.

Also if the girl gets promoted to an LTR, you get 3 nights a week of staying in cheap, no need to run a $50-150 tab taking her out on a date.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will also verify that it works- but I don't cook anymore. I used to enjoy it, and women loved it, but somewhere along the way I just completely lost interest in cooking. I can still do it, but I hate it.

BUT- this is important- I try hard to attract the kind of woman who enjoys cooking. And the thing is, that kind of woman gets just as turned on by you enjoying her food as she would by seeing you cook a good meal.

[–]fir3hand 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i like this. they are like animals.. we bait them with food :D

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Cooking dinner for a girl is great in so many ways.

Cheaper and less time consuming than going to a restraunt.

You don't have to leave your house.

Seems / is thoughtful.

Gets girl in your apartment immediately.

You'd be cooking dinner for yourself anyway, so might you're sort of multitasking / two birds.

If your game is IDGAF enough you can be wearing sweatpants when she comes over. If you're hot enough this will win you points.

Eventually you'll get to a stage where you're unwilling to meet a girl if she's not willing to come to your house or at least drive to your neighborhood where you can go for a walk from there and then circle back to your place for ice cream / tea / Netflix. You could call this laziness but I think the dynamic immediately weeds out stuck-up girls and puts you in the drivers seat of the interaction right off the bat.

[–]PyridoxaI 14 points15 points  (0 children)

If a girl agrees to come over for the first date then yeah she's already decided it's time for pound town.

[–]JustSkipAhead 11 points11 points [recovered]

This is really good idea and girls really loves men that can cook. Don't cook something hard or try some fucked up fancy pancy dish just go simple. Make a pasta/risotto, buy a bottle of wine, light some candles and turn down the light, extra points if you go for some good music on low volume.

Rule number one; don't fucking over do it just keep everything plain and simple.


Cook your meal together at your place, it's actually quite fun.

[–]trumpisafaggybeta 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Isn't it sad that guys who get laid know how to cook better than most of these bimbos these days? I can make a mean risotto, but I doubt most of these basic bitches have touched a pan in their life.

[–]RPFlame 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because the bimbos see this as "wow, cooking is so beneath me, is this the 60's?" while the men who get into it do it out of interest and passion.

This is why male chefs dominate the restaurants.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

one exception to over doing it: if you enjoy making fancy things, make fancy things. i know a guy that makes fancy dishes when he eats alone. if you're that guy, or your day job is being gordon ramsay or something, obviously do it for the girl too.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

does that work? I've never even tried that angle

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

A good idea would be to place an order for a blue apron or some meal prep delivery service. Gives you step by step directions to cook delicious healthy meals, which will provide great energy for fucking. The meals look fancy and really give off the impression that you are an ace in the kitchen, also, they take no more than an hour to prep and cook. or go with a simple homemade pasta dish: in a blender put a handful or 2 of basil, fresh tomato, olive oil, pepper flakes (depends how spicy you want it) garlic salt to taste and there you'll have a nice homemade sauce that will taste delicious. then make spaghetti, pecorino or parmesan on top with some parsley sprinkled on for presentation and you've got yourself a gourmet meal for under $10 for the two of you. pair that with some wine and you've got yourself quite an evening.

Also, tell her to bring desert or the wine or both. but she should bring something bc who the fuck goes to someones house without bringing anything

PS- make sure you brush your teeth or use some mouthwash after that meal

[–]tripwire1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've never tried cooking for them on a first date but I've used it on subsequent dates and it completely hooks them. Just follow a basic recipe that will turn out delicious. One of my go-to's was pork loin in an apricot glaze with a side of fingerling potatoes. Sounds really fancy, INCREDIBLY easy to make.

[–]Duchozz 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Lol. Used to do this all the time except I just asked them over for drinks.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This guy gets it. It doesn't fucking matter at all what pretense you use. The point is not that it works because "girls love/want to fuck guys who cook", or whatever. This is for girls looking for one night stands, they don't give a FUCK what you're like as long as you're hot/cool.

The point is just that you don't have to take these tinder hos out on dates. You can just invite them over. Most guys don't know this because they've literally never tried/are too afraid of rejection.

[–]Duchozz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Tinder makes it so literally anyone who is remotely good looking can get laid with minimal effort. Invite her over for a movie and drinks immediately, have a drink or two if you feel like it (in my experience they don't usually go for the drinks, they know what this is). Don't say much about yourself, just let her make you out to be whatever she wants you to be. Then, when the time is right (haha jk the time is literally always right) kiss her and you're in there. Sooner is better than later as I'm sure you have other things to do.

[–]protolux 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Does this work for guys who have a small 1 room apartment?

[–]throwabluepillaway 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They better not see it before the pussy is wet lol

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Can you elaborate a bit more on your Tinder profile? (How many photos, what's in them, your bio text etc.) Also what city are you in?

I'm in LA, surrounded by some of the best looking guys in the world (many of whom are close friends), and I don't think a single one of them has pull 25 Tinder matches in an entire year. (Or ever, for that matter.) LA's a tough city for sure but damn, sounds like you've mastered the secret sauce old boy (that or you're in a city where the odds are far more in a man's favor).

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I'm from LA. I was able to pull 3-4 matches a day when I visit. I do about the same in the city I live in now. I have 3 photos.

The first one is a selfie in my car wearing some ray ban wayfarers and generally looking like a douchebag, filters and everything.

My second photo is a mirror selfie with a fairly tight shirt. I'm in decent shape but really nothing amazing. I'm wearing a graphic tee with the sleeves partially rolled up, a beanie and dog tags

The third photo is me in my EMS uniform giving a teddy bear to a 6 year old boy and we're both smiling (money).

The profile text isn't important at all. Literally doesn't matter. Don't put anything if you don't want.

Mine says: "6' 2". when I was little girls used to hate when i pulled their hair. Funny how some things change"

It's a light screening line to interest girls that are DTF and scare off girls that aren't. I don't know if it really makes a difference though.

I may do a full write up on how to invite tinder girls directly to your place. I have lots of naked photos I've taken of the girls as well that I can post as proof that I actually know what I'm talking about.

[–]Boovs4life 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Any dating advice for a 19 yr old guy? I can't go to bars and most of the dating tips on TRP include some form of drinking.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Be the guy who can get liquor. Swim in pussy. Repeat.

[–]TheRealMouseRat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hahaha. that's what I always do. or if the girl seems interested in meeting somewhere public first I just meet by the grocery store to buy food.

[–]LuvBeer 2 points2 points [recovered]

I separate tinder girls into two tiers. The lower tier I get onto whatsapp and start talking sexually and if possible send them a dick pic. For all the bullshit posturing about how you should NEVER send a dick pic, I get about a 50% positive reception. Once my intentions are crystal clear, I meet "for coffee" which actually turns out to be a walk to my house. Total spend: 0.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I recommend this + a minibar cabinet thingy (they are like $200-300 for a cheap one). Keep it with all the thot brands of booze that college girls think are fancy (Patron) and make them a cocktail with dinner, or to sip while you two cook and you order her around. Learn how to make a few basic girl cocktails.

[–]MyOtherHatsAFedora 2 points2 points [recovered]

I just bought a condo and have been trying to figure out the best way to get girls in here. They are always impressed when they see it. The hard part is getting them in. I like the cooking idea.

What do you say when they throw out the classic line "I like to meet in public for the first time".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well if it's a Tinder girl then I unmatch them and stop responding.

If it's a girl from cold approach, I tend to give them a little more leeway, because they are higher quality girls. In THAT situation I'll compromise and get drinks with them or go see a movie in a theatre or something.

It all depends on where you're at. I have 2 regular fuckbuddies and 3 girls that come around sporadically, so I accept absolutely no games from new girls at all. But, if you aren't seeing any girls (I wasn't last year for a period of time) you might as well let the girls drag you around a little bit until you get your first regular

[–]sternje 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Send the message

This. Communication of your intentions, up front. No pussyfooting about. Women want sex too, but want you to say/demonstrate it first. And if not, on to the next.

[–]energyinmotion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good thing I just started working in a legit Italian restaurant.

[–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alternatively, the second date ploy is to bring food to her place and cook dinner there. There are some ups and downs to this, however.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (16 children)

1 in 25 isn't low though?

Usually I go for a coffee close to my place, and after ~30-60min I pull. I think for the chicks that I pull too fast what you do could probably work, but the rest you lose by inviting them straight to your house because you ask too much compliance too soon.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (12 children)

Fucking one in 25 of your MATCHES on tinder? No, that's not low. That's very, very high.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Who cares if it's low? You can do 25 approaches in an hour on Tinder, easy. That's like zero fucking effort, man.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You probably live in a big enough city. I wouldn't give a shit either.

However, that is bad game. You're activating their ASD without any reason, and if you leave in a small city like I do(the 18-23 chicks on tinder are ususally ~100-150/month) it will fuck up you results.

[–]CornyHoosier 34 points35 points  (3 children)

For the record, I agree with everything you wrote, but I'd like to add on a hint to this part for others:

  1. Hold your frame on arrival

This is critical. As you mentioned, she will likely be a little nervous and will feed off of your frame. One of the greatest tips I ever got was from a drunk woman at a bar I was talking to. She told me, "Stop shaking your fucking leg. It makes you look nervous."

That's when I realized that 'ticks' matter. Shaking your leg, ripping up "things" around you, not making eye contact, touch your hair/face, rubbing a body part, etc. ALL of these things make it look like you lack confidence. So then I looked into how people literally view me. How I sit, how I emulate others, how I talk, when I talk, where I'm looking, what my body is doing, what my face, mouth and brow are doing.

Next time you're on your date and she walks in, try this:

  • Be chatting up a stranger or bartender nearby or look up something funny on your phone and be smiling/laughing. This makes you seem more sociable and puts you in a lighter state of mind.

  • Learn to lean. James Dean was fucking cool. James Dean always leaned. Go Google image search him now if you don't believe me. Leaning signifies relaxation and ease in your surroundings. No one leaning back gives a shit about what's going on around them. Look at the people at tables or the bar ... they're all hunched over or rail-straight. Hunching makes you look frumpy.

  • Smile, son! When you're meeting someone that you're unsure of yet (but you think may be attracted to you) there isn't much better than a big toothy grin. Also, learn to smile with your eyes. I've had plenty of women tell me I have "warm eyes". I wasn't sure what that meant so started studying others. Keeping your brow and eyes wide makes you seem more open and attentive.

  • Eye contact. I can't stress eye contact enough. In my beta days I'd tell a story and be looking off at anything other than the girl I was talking to. As god is my witness, I've found that if I can keep a woman's eye contact for 8+ seconds straight, it's usually a green light that she likes me enough to fuck.

Good luck y'all!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Cheers mate.

Yeh agree, smiling and eye contact are for sure very telling.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm currently in a LTR but I practice flirting through eye contact. I stare at cute girls like I have them at my place ready to destroy them in bed. Usually the girl will get timid and shy in a cute, innocent way. Basically I give them tingles with my eyes.

[–]_nrm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice comment. Frame is definitely a state of mind but it needs to transfer to your body language.

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (7 children)

I like your submission Luke, a man should always be escalating towards sex when boy meets girl. Respecting the princess and not wanting to rush things reek of Disney programming and runs counter to your god-given right as a man to smash fine pussy. Even if sex doesn't happen the first night, she will respect you for trying and if she becomes a plate or GF than this will pervade her thoughts down the road when you are not present. Its potential dread knowing that her man takes sex when he wants it

One tip, I do think paying for everything is a mistake. I've had great success making women dig deep into that purse when I tell them it's their turn. Remember, she likely won't offer on her own and she will follow your lead as long as you tell her what to do. Even if its symbolic like her paying the cab ride.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

I've had great success making women dig deep into that purse when I tell them it's their turn. Remember, she won't offer on her own and she will follow your lead as long as you tell her what to do.

I make you right. most of the time they do just offer on their own with me, but sometimes, I should prob be forcing their hand a little more. It's a fine line. Especially if I'm dating a young poor girl or student, and I've initiated the date, and then suggested somewhere that sells cocktails at £12 a go.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Make her pay something though. That poor student will max out her credit cards for a new dress and bus ticket to see an ex bf who pumped and dumped her play in a garage band five hours away if he makes her vagina tingle

[–]ECoast_Man 18 points19 points  (1 child)

This is an easy one. When spot one or two is complete, you just simply say, 'so looks like you owe me a drink, I know this place just down the road...'

I've probably said a variant of that line 50 times.

[–]rp_newdawn 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh that's a brilliant way to handle that. Thanks for sharing the tip

[–]Sdom1 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I've always thought this was mostly bullshit, and misses the real point which is to force a girl to pull her weight. When I was dating, I dated college chicks and girls who were just starting out. You know, early to mid 20s. They. have. no. fucking. money. None, zero, zilch, nada. Good luck getting that graphic design intern to spring for dinner at Ruth's Chris to prove that you're an alpha.

I always had them contribute in other ways. That's more what it's about, making them work to keep you around. You can do that with money, but I'd rather have a broke ass girl cook me dinner and give me a massage than make her take me out with money she doesn't have.

Also, above a certain level of attractiveness she is going to wonder about your status if you're making her pay for shit, especially if you are beyond your mid 20's, you just look like a fucking loser at that point. If you're older, part of the reason she's dating you is because you have more status and can give her peak life experiences. I'm sure there are guys more alpha than I out there who would disagree, but I just found that to be the reality of things when you are trying to fuck girls that are young and hot, i.e. very high smv.

Now, if you're dating a 34 year old professional with some mileage on her, then you make her pay for shit as she's probably too busy to do other stuff, and she has the money. But in the end it's not about making a girl pay, that can just be a means to the real end.

[–]tedcase 47 points48 points  (13 children)

Good post. One extra tip I cannot stress highly enough:

Always start the date st your own place. Get the girl to meet you at yours and go on to your destination from there. The eventual goal of course is to get her back to your place later, if she has already been there it is so much easier. Obviously make certain that your home is spotless and well maintained.

This won't work of course if you live with your parents. Stop living with your parents.

[–]AutisticusMaximus 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The pretext for meeting at my place first was always easier to establish if I invited her for an actual event with a start time; a concert, a band I like starts playing at a bar at 21h, I tell her to meet a little early at my place.

I told her I like the band (art performance, whatever) beforehand and I'm going there anyway, she gets the (correct) assumption I'm not skipping it, even for sex.

Organizing a generic "night out" bar hopping and inviting someone to your place sounds like you're trying to skip the whole mating ritual and would rather stay inside and bang, which might put them off.

[–]evian_mars 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Always start the date st your own place.

How exactly do you arrange that though?

All I can think of is as long as your place is in a pretty social area then you could say 'oh just meet me at mine and then we'll head from there'. Even then most girls will probably just message when they're close by to say they're outside.

[–]prime_zero 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I do this too. You can make up all sorts of excuses as to why. "I need to change shirts", " I need to pick something up / leave something", "Drop your car there, I'll drive", " Need to feed my dog", etc.

Making a point that it's just a pit stop, and I'm not trying to avoid going out - when we've just met. Buuuuuut if it leads to staying in, so be it

[–]_nrm 2 points3 points  (1 child)

All of the reasons you suggested would be out of frame and stray from the romanticism of the date. Best not.

[–]prime_zero 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Beg to differ, except feeding the dog. It's my frame and I'm also very busy most of the time. I'm leading, setting expectations. It may also come down to age differences as I'm in my 30s, and go after younger girls. It could also be geographical differences, eg. Smallish city vs large metropolitan area.

At the end of the day, this has worked for me on many occasions.

[–]_TheRP 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Always start the date st your own place.

If you've got a nice car, pick her up>your place. Nice cars drop panties.

[–]thor_away92 6 points7 points  (1 child)

There's actually some shit you can observe to see if you even need to leave the house to bed her.

  • If she comes inside with her shoes on and stands in the doorway, no go.

  • If she comes inside and sits down (with her shoes on) offer her a drink and start chatting.

  • If she comes inside, takes her shoes off, and sits down it's game on.

Always answer the door shirtless and without shoes like you still need to finish getting ready. Adds time.

"Come on it I still gotta get ready (she sits down) Can I offer you a glass of wine? (While heading back to finish getting dressed)"

Same process as the bar but you didn't even have to leave the house.

[–]EnlightenedViking 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Always answer the door shirtless and without shoes like you still need to finish getting ready. Adds time.

I'm with you on reading her signals - not about answering the door shirtless. I prefer a fitted shirt to maker her wonder

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah - I've read this on numerous occasions, just never had the balls to do it. Will in future!

[–]FellowRedPiller 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Something else to add to Step 8: First kiss

Always end the kiss before she does. Otherwise you seem too eager to physically escalate and she'll pick up on it. Kiss her for a bit and when you can sense things are really heating up, pull back and say something like "But that's all you get for now since we ARE in public and both you and I are obviously very classy" (If you have a grin while saying this, it's even better)

Anything along those lines. It'll make her go crazy and you will instantly see it in her body language. Now she's made the connection that if she wants 'more' it'll have to happen in a private environment, aka your pad. If you're in control of yourself around her but barely, it's something women write about in their romance novels. So yes, that turns them on.

Also try not to physically escalate much past a few kisses in public. Yes, build lots of implicit sexual tension but don't convert that energy into physical yet. If you escalate too much physically before getting back to your place, the chances of her hamster spinning start to go up.

And the last thing to say before going back to your place is something along the lines of "Hey we're going back to myplace for xyz. But DONT get any funny ideas now." and give her the accusing eyes. This will now plant the idea of sex in her head while you're at the same time disqualifying it AND accusing her of being the pervert. And since it's done implicitly, it works magic on HBs and their hamsters.

TL;DR 1) Implicitly build sexual tension in public but don't physically escalate that much.

2) Be the first to pull back from the kiss and tell her that that's all she's gonna get for now.

3) Before taking her back to your place tell her not to "get any funny ideas now" with accusing eyes.

Source: All from personal experience.

[–]AutisticusMaximus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Very practical advice.

[–]NotReallyEthicalLOL 12 points12 points [recovered]

That's a lot of effort; I just take her back after a cup of coffee.

[–]_nrm 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Shit man, you're probably doing more of this than you realize then.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I think passing shit tests and getting past LMR in the bedroom is also a big sticking point for most guys. Neil Strauss has some really good tricks to help seal the deal in this situations, but it all boils down to frame.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

True - passing shit tests is like a philosophy though, takes years to master. I wanted to give some concrete tips that most guys here would be able to apply. Strauss is just a legend, I'll always go back to the game and re-read it, brilliant piece.

[–]ECoast_Man 2 points3 points  (0 children)


It's obviously something that comes with experience but I find it's usually overcome by gradually increasing physical contact.

'No? Well let's check this show out...' Or whatever, and start with an arm around if she's really prickly. Normally you can go right to spooning if you've made it this far, and then it's just escalating.

[–]Gawernator 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I would not pay for everything. She's not your girlfriend or wife and hasn't earned that. Paying for some things is ok, she should help out.

[–]BattleDrillOneAlpha 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Paying for some things is ok

Agreed. When I first started reading TRP over a year ago I developed the mindset that I should never pay for anything. And this actually limited me because I developed this incompatible mindset.

One thing a personal trainer friend of mine (he fucks, a lot) told me is to wait a little when you get the bill. This gives her time to think about it, and if she doesn't get her wallet out then by all intents and purposes pay for the meal. Don't make a big deal of it, but put that down as black mark for the chick. However, I've found that a lot of the time she will take the initiative and either A) pay for all of the meal or B) split the bill.

But to each their own. I don't give a fuck if I have to pay because I make sure to not go too expensive, and I only pay if I know that I will be hooking up with the chick. And if I notice a chick eyeing something really expensive like a fucking $12+ drink or some shit, I will make fun her and say "I hope you have some fucking money for that shit".

They usually get the hint.

[–]Gawernator 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah it really should come down to common sense. If you're going after more conservative traditional girls that are the type to cook and clean for you, they'll also have the expectation that you'll pay for most things.

Now if it's some entitled feminist slut at a bar, don't pay for shit.

[–]SimpleHomme 2 points3 points  (0 children)

AWALT doesn't mean all women are exactly the same, it just means they share some common characteristics.
Though when you don't know them, going Dutch seems like the best option.

[–]drallcom3 15 points15 points [recovered]

Cloths can be cheap too, as long as they fit well. In combination with a fit body you can make almost anything work.

As for the drinks, don't drink too much. It can easily kill your dick. Collect some experience on that topic beforehand.

[–]wiseprogressivethink 8 points9 points  (5 children)

What if she's too heavy to pick up with one arm?

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

you still use both arms the other is round her back, but yeah if she's too heavy, then don't attempt. just push her backwards towards the bed and hope it doesn't break

[–]wiseprogressivethink 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I was sort of making a fat girl joke myself, but thanks for the reply.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

read and lift more, obviously

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Unfortunately, no one has ever fucked on the first date without picking the chick up in the air.

You fucked up. Sorry #FactsOnly

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 11 points12 points  (10 children)

“I never pay for two rounds or buy drinks for girls!” then you’re a faggot.

The scream of the insecure. Individual style dude. This guide is good, but like many things on TRP it needs to be addressed from the perspective of "take what is useful, discard what is useless and add what is uniquely your own." In this case, yeah, I run a rounds system to make sure I'm not taken to the cleaners. I try to find an excuse to order her to buy the first round. This is a good move because it forces her to be invested in the date which increases your chances of success. I have never had a chick walk because I told her it was her round. Even if she did, I wouldn't care.

Drink Selection Cocktails are good. Firstly the placebo NLP effects of saying “cock” (Can’t remember his name: The Game). Secondly, they contain shit loads of alcohol and taste like sugary drinks. Alcohol is a great lubricant. Be careful that you don’t drain you drink whilst she is still on the first 10% of hers. Avoid pints of lager, you’ll be pissing every 5 minutes, burping like a camel, and your breath will stink of shit. Bottles of Proseco to share are good, cocktails are great, and white wine is good, or shorts, i.e. Jack and Coke, Gin and Tonic etc.

I'm not convinced by this section. I do whatever I feel like on a first date, which usually involves a pint because I like real ale. The advice on cocktails is fine, but the negative advice on what to avoid is weak. As I said, it's never affected me so I don't see an issue with others going for that if they don't want a fruity drink.

Also, love the advice of /u/NicCageForPresident it's great. I've actually run a variant of this on a couple of girls who I've told to pick up a takeaway and come over. No LMR, sometimes even straight to the point from them walking through the door. Bonus of no effort on dinner and she's paid for it and done all the travelling.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (9 children)

yeah from the comments - I think the paying for everything bit wrong. Its not even something I do regularly.

with regard to the drink selection, all I'll say is try it once, see what your results are like.

"take what is useful, discard what is useless and add what is uniquely your own."

absolutely - that's what this place is all about

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 2 points3 points  (5 children)

with regard to the drink selection, all I'll say is try it once, see what your results are like.

I'm not saying I haven't. I've done shared bottles of wine before. I've done cocktails too. It all depends on my mood. (If I'm enjoying myself and pleasing myself then I'll have a good time and she will therefore have a good time since I'm exuding positive energy.) That's why I said the positive reasons to adopt that are all fine.

If you wanted a positive behind say pints of real ale, something I've done often, she'll usually be intrigued since she'll never have ordered something like that. Causing intrigue and curiosity in a woman is always a solid move in my book - just doing things for the sake of novelty shows you have more world experience than her (thus higher value) and as we all know... women don't want to build a life, they just want to go set up shop in the awesome life of a cool guy.

A couple of regular comments tend to come from the real ale. If she tastes it and goes "that's disgusting" then a good response is "yeah, it puts hair on your chest. From what I can see, you can't do those sorts of things." Gives you an excuse to openly oogle her tits, while simultaneously putting a bit of a neg in as a joke. The other comment that's come up a couple of times is words to the effect of "that's an old man drink." I find this sly shit test amusing and it's a great excuse to respond "that your subtle way of telling me you have daddy issues?" She'll be back to selling herself to you in no time.

[–]Solitary_Wolf 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The other comment that's come up a couple of times is words to the effect of "that's an old man drink." I find this sly shit test amusing and it's a great excuse to respond "that your subtle way of telling me you have daddy issues?" She'll be back to selling herself to you in no time.

thanks, im stealing that. i drink gin and tonic or guinness almost exclusively and i get that line quite often.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Ahahaha nice - you've got all your responses for ale down to a fine art!

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thanks. Game is something I enjoy. My TRP Field Toolkit series on base game is actually what a couple of endorsed guys told me they learned their game from. I'm going to post a follow up on commands once I've got my blog up and running. Real life is a pain that keeps getting in the way.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool. I'll have a nosey through your submission history.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah - I have been pulled up about the paying thing by a few people. The reality is I do what you described most of the time. But, if I'm honest, I am prepared to pay, which in heinsight probably isn't always good. Ce la vie

[–]definitelynotaclone 4 points5 points  (6 children)

First Kiss When she wants to be kissed – just do it.

This needs to be elaborated. This is my single biggest problem in my game. I cannot find the occasion where this feels natural, ever. And I end up betaing out of too many dates where I just didn't find the moment to try and kiss her.

[–]1ItsTheHomeWrecker 10 points11 points  (2 children)

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[–]Verve11 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Great point. Every newbie here should understand this.

I used to get terrible anxiety about the first kiss, scared they would reject me. It was a breakthrough when I realized exactly your point. You win regardless.

[–]1starting_oveRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is very important advice. I've gotten the cheek a few times. Never felt bad about trying, and usually the body language has still been positive: cuddling against me, my arm around her, etc. Never has she removed herself, and that to me means I should definitely try again.

When it happens I usually frame it like this:

"Oh yeah, we shouldn't be kissing in the middle of this bar. I'll kiss you when there's less people watching so I can do it how I like."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All I can say is - for me - I get the feeling she wants me to kiss her - when I was more inexperienced I would question this feeling - now - as soon as I get that feeling - I go for it!

[–]rumovoice 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Try day game too. Not sure how it works in US but most of my plates come from SDLs.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Im UK - you're right I definitely need to break in to day game. Evening dates for me is in my comfort zone now.

[–]1starting_oveRP 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Day game is my next world to conquer - I'm still working on breaking the mental barrier of "don't talk to her right now, she's grocery shopping!"

[–]rumovoice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well the worst thing that could happen is she rejects you and you will look awkward. But you will never see all those people again so why should you care?

[–]JustSkipAhead 6 points6 points [recovered]

then tell her what you’re going to drink, and then ask her what she wants.

Don't ask her what she wants, just say "hey, I go for the first round" then give her a blink and ask her to find a nice place were you can sit and chat. Go to the bar and order a drink for both of you. Example order a Mojito or some girly cocktail drink to her and she will shine up like a sun when you arrive with the drinks.

But good post, I usually do exactly what you have written. A small pre-drink, dress up fancy but casual and meet up the girl at a nice cocktail bar, chat a bit then go from there to my place were we fucks like rabbit if everything goes as planned.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

cheers. it's a thing of beauty once you get good at it and can actually enjoy the whole experience.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

first time i did it, i broke every one of these rules except maybe 3.

  1. wore ill-fitting pants, sneakers with holes, and my least awful t-shirt.

  2. showed up sober. not a big deal.

  3. opened with a hug. talked for about 10 seconds and headed to the bar. it was full, so we went to another one.

  4. went to 1 bar. i invited her to walk to my house after that (~20 min walk)

  5. we each paid for what we had.

  6. had pints of stout.

  7. told her all sorts of things you probably shouldn't. that i had a gf, no job, and how i was due for an acid trip.

  8. asked her if she wanted to go to my house to get high and make out. she said you can't just ask someone that. then we went and did exactly that. (didn't kiss her until we got there)

  9. same as 8

  10. "let's go talk about boundaries and desires" is my go-to line.

that said, you should definitely be aware of how these things are supposed to go. you can either follow it, or indicate that you know how to follow the script while deviating from it. (you do need to deviate from her script. not necessarily a lot, but don't let her predict exactly how the night will play out)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

and how i was due for an acid trip.

omg - you must have some stories!

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

acid will do three main things:

  • it'll take you outside of whatever little bubble you're in. you might find horrors out there, you might find paradise, you might find that you've been doing something stupid your whole life
  • it'll give you the feeling that you've figured everything out, even though you didn't
  • it'll change your preferences. i hate avocados and love grapefruit now. i know a guy that went from a pack/day to the occasional puff (which is even more impressive than cold turkey, imo).

[–]IIlllIllIIIllIl 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Hey man, simple question. When at the boring question talk stage, how do you answer her "what about you?" and still remain mysterious?

[–]SimpleHomme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Give short, spare answers and understate.

[–]1starting_oveRP 1 point2 points  (1 child)

When they come out cold with a question like that, or it's a subject change, I usually treat it like a shit test and give a stupid made-up answer. Then they laugh (or not) and then I feed 'em the truth.

I take it as an opportunity to gauge their attention level/interest in me.

It also has the added bonus that you are not giving up your information just because she asked - she had to work a little.

I don't do this all night, that would get tiring, but definitely at first when the subject changes to me.

I've made my life a pretty cool thing, so I'm always ready to share what I do, but it's fun to give them a little shit test of my own.

[–]IIlllIllIIIllIl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Gotcha. That's how I feel about my life, but the line between my life is constantly interesting and mysterious I couldn't find.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

For the normal social boring questions I just answer plainly - trying to be mysterious in this phase I find just makes it weird.

[–]IIlllIllIIIllIl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right, that's what I have found.

[–]pikachufan2222 5 points5 points [recovered]

There's a problem with this for me. I don't ever plan on drinking. Any adjustments to the steps for someone like me? (Note: Not legal to drink. Only 17.)

[–]SimpleHomme 2 points3 points  (0 children)

These steps work without alcohol. Treat them as guidelines rather than rules.

You're not trying to disable some woman with alcohol in order to prey on her; alcohol just aids social interaction. That's why people drink and converse. It opens them up.

Attraction itself is intoxicating enough. Bars are unnecessary.

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (42 children)

I avoid fucking an intoxicated girl who I barely know. That's a rape accusation waiting to happen.

[–]1naMlliPdeR 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Then you're completely missing out.

[–]_the_jews_did_911 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Only in colleges where the vast majority of people know both parties, so to avoid blame and guilt, rape accusation is the only way out.

[–]1PrinceofSpades 16 points17 points  (0 children)

That's honestly what it is; women who create false allegations (not those who are actually raped, which RARELY happens in college [although does happen to college-aged women]) do so to protect their own social value. The perception of themselves as seen by others has always been the most significant part of any woman's subconcious drive.

"Oh my god Becky fucked another guy?" "Wow Becky I can't believe you, you're such a slut lol" "What, no! I wouldn't never... He... Made me do it!" "OMG BECKY WAS RAPED" "OMG" "OMG I WAS RAPED!"

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[–]Ducksfornipples2 15 points16 points  (4 children)

but college girls are the only age group I want to sleep with..

[–]JustSkipAhead 12 points12 points [recovered]

Don't get her drunk, just tipsy.

[–]_nrm 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Excellent. The biggest mistake I think people make is getting too inebriated that they can't hold frame.

[–]_nrm 8 points9 points  (1 child)

You're only the victim of a rape accusation of you are regrettable. You have to be that golden eagle that came out of nowhere, where in the morning she still feels slutty but like she was slutty for Zac Efron or something.

[–]trumpisafaggybeta 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Agreed-- there's plenty of pussy to be gotten without it being piss-drunk. Campus or not, it's an easy rape accusation; not worth the risk, and people on this subreddit need to start realizing that

[–]1PrinceofSpades -1 points0 points  (4 children)

I think people on this subreddit are actively trying to become attractive enough individuals, to the point that women approach us, to avoid having to ever deal with a false rape accusation ever.

One could argue when your value is that high, and you don't commit, you're even more likely to face one, which is also why the psychology taught here should provide enough dread, dark triad, Machiavellian, and/or self-awareness to gather hard evidence that we prevent it altogether before it ever has a chance to rear its ugly head.

I'd argue that we here, who made ourselves into alphas but were in all likelihood not naturals, would fare far better against a false rape allegation than a natural alpha ever would, because he's still unaware of all sides of a woman's true nature... He just knows women are attracted to him and what to do and say to sleep with them without getting attached. There aren't many of us here who genuinely have thoughts such as "play ball good," but we do identify that if we did think that way, we'd probably have gotten laid a lot easier growing up.... then married to a woman who wanted us as their trophy, only to get bored after betafication, to find herself out at the bar same as the rest of them.

[–]trumpisafaggybeta 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Whether or not she approaches you doesn't matter, since they can spring a false accusation on you either way; like you said, hard evidence is the key. Moreover, avoiding women with red flags (e.g. drunk/high), is also key to avoid the situation entirely. There are ways to get your dick wet without compromising your life/reputation in the process

[–]1PrinceofSpades 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I didn't mean to allude to the fact that a woman approaching you instead means no rape accusation, merely that many of us within this community are striving towards that level of attractiveness, internally and externally. When a woman doesn't think you are creepy or regrettable, she's much less likely to throw the rape word around.

[–]CaptainIncredible 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The other drug I sometimes take, are dick pills al a Brian Redban (JRE:784#).

What? Viagra or something?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Listen to the podcast all is explained and is hilarious. Redbam takes elephant horn and black stallion. Mine are Chinese but have pics of really jacked guys on the front. Not viagra, Feels more like cialis, and variations of that.

Also you'll need to YouTube search JRE 784 to find it . Enjoy

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Loved this one. Redban is so crazy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is a kick ass post. I love to see some old school game discussed with such mastery. Thanks OP, it is like you have taken me back to basics. I also love all the cooking comments. One trick which has worked for me when the texts start getting flirty is to tell her I am coming to her place and she can cook me dinner for our first date. This one works like a charm but it scares lots of girls off so use judiciously.

Take a bottle of wine with you, maybe even flowers. When I go usually I end up drinking more of her wine than I have bought with me. They also try hard to cook something expensive. Do everything right and you get breakfast as well. Plus you get to sleep in her nice smelling "girl bedroom". I love that shit.

[–]TomFoo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also lift. Fill up your shirt nicely. And live on your own in a decent part of town.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Great tips Uncle Luke. I also throw out a compliment early on, but something different. Find something you like about her and tell her. "You have really nice skin." and reach in for the touch on her forearm. "You have pretty hands. They're so feminine." "I love your hair" " You have great style." Something they don't hear all day every day. "I like the way your mind works." always works for me. Remember, just one, early on.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Luke Mooney the wearable robotics guy?

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing wrong with banging on the 1st date but I've recently decided to stop trying first date lays. Unless I've been exposed to the girl already through social circle/mutual friends/work/school, I won't try to fuck on the first date.

If I met the girl from cold approach I attempt the 2nd date fuck.

This is the system endorsed by blackdragonblog and I suggest many of you look into it. The first date lay can be overrated in my opinion.

[–]Kaliskt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thank you sir for this post, just what I was looking for. I'm fairly new to the TRP and beginning my journey on self-improvement but it happened that one chick from my classes that I barely know, invited me over her place and I'm coming there on Friday and she even agreed that I can sleep at her place. I'll do whatever it takes to score, I've got nothing to lose.

[–]JohnnyRaz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey man don't knock stuff like pain killers or addys, etc. I can't tell you how much pussy that type of shit allowed people to slay before They had any confidence or knowledge of red pill

[–]Vesperous 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thank you for this great article bro! Not only have I in the past noticed that the things I have tried on this list have worked, but in addition, a lot of the things I have not tried, seem like a great idea! I definitely do agree on the part about seeing her, initiating contact as soon as you meet her, and making small talk as well. This makes it so much easier to avoid having things become awkward because these are just normal social things. Not to say you can still fuck and establish a good relationship if things are awkward, however everyone should avoid making things harder then they have to be ;). So thank you for this article, great content and great detail.

[–]almostayearinthered 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Bar crawl is so key. Switching venues builds attraction and makes the date more exciting to the girl. And tbh is more fun for me too

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (1 child)

not gunna lie... i got hard while reading this....

deffo have to try this at one point. i wanna invite girl over to my crib and cook for her, that would be cool too.

great post man, keep on posting.

edit: I LOVE the comments below me ( talking about inviting her over for dinner) can we please see more post / comments like this!

[–]Drumfreak14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great read with reputable sources. Thank you.

[–]Ziiner 4 points4 points [recovered]

"Weed makes you paranoid"

Maybe that's just a you problem dude

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 7 points8 points  (28 children)

I have to suggest, if you are a dude that doesn't get a lot of time to be social or you are always in your head. MDMA is a great way to learn your true potential. I use to wonder what it'd be like if I was super charismatic. Well MDMA showed me damn well what my potential was and that it could easily be achieved without drugs. I would say it's a bad idea to take it if you are specifically going out on a date. But if you are just going to the bars to have a good time, MDMA turns you into a fucking rockstar.

If a chick take it with you and you fuck well and it's her first time on MDMA, welcome to your first alpha widow.

Note that it will fuck up your sex drive a few days after as it's such a massive dose of serotonin.

Edit: Obviously don't be an idiot with a concentrated substance of any kind. Any drug, even tobacco or alcohol can kill you if you aren't responsible with it. Do you research and do a ton of it. The only person on this earth looking out for you, is you.


[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Fucking on MD is something else, especially for women. they're much more emotional, therefore it affects them stronger as well.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Yep, they can get seriously attached to you from it. Especially if they've never done it before. Both chicks I did it with became absolutely obsessed with me. One was crazy, I shouldn't have done it with her.

Learn from my mistake. Vet the woman damn well if you think about trying this. The only thing worse than a crazy bitch is a crazy bitch that's crazy for you.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

There's something about an 8 hour drug fueled sex marathon that they tend to enjoy.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I use to be hardcore against drugs as my brother killed himself on fentanyl patches. MDMA was the first thing I ever did and it's still the only thing I've ever done. It was a real reality slap to the face on what drugs are and what they aren't. Society teaches you that if you do any drugs you'll destroy your life, and that's correct for shit like meth or heroine. But for the lesser drugs, as long as you don't use them to escape your reality like how most abusers do then you stand a good chance of being responsible about it.

Do you research, take them in a safe, controlled way and they can be a great life experience. I plan on doing MDMA maybe twice a year for big shit like going to a festival or something. It's not a weekend warrior drug like weed or alcohol. The key I think is do it for a purpose, not to just get fucked up. I thought long and hard about it before I ever took the plunge. There are subreddits dedicated to teaching proper dosage and usage along with conducting yourself in a safe manner.

TL;DR Do your research and don't be an idiot with a controlled substance. Responsibility and holding yourself accountable separates recreational use from abusers.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm no attorney, so I can't legally advise you that getting a chick high or drunk before fucking them is a good idea....but it's not a good idea...

Of course anyone carrying around drugs probably won't care in the first place, but just my .02.

[–]thor_away92 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Once she eats that molly she'll love you forever

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

MDMA is a great way to learn your turn potential

totally agree. MDMA opened my mind to a lot of things. I spent a good two years pushing my limits, hence even dropping bombs before a first date!

[–]rp_newdawn 2 points3 points  (0 children)


Follow their vitamin regimen during your roll and you won't have any negative side effects. I actually often experience a lovely afterglow for 1-3 days.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I work for a car dealership. I suggest driving fast in the rain.

[–]phate0451 6 points7 points  (4 children)

OP's guide to subprime pussy.

[–]NotReallyEthicalLOL 3 points3 points [recovered]

Yeah honestly this post was just terrible

[–]thor_away92 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is all excellent advice not sure why everyone is acting like they know better. The best takeaways I got from this was shit I've been contemplating on.

  • meeting a stranger with mild anxiety is natural and actually benefits both parties

  • you gotta warm people up before you get deep (how to win friends and influence people)

  • you've pretty much won if she shows up at the date, just be naturally masculine and express your sexual intent/desires openly and subtly

  • have fun on your date. Female interaction is refreshing if you're not angry beta mode. Enjoying eachother usually leads to sex

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

your takeaway is what I was hoping for - seems like a lot of people got a bit caught up in arguing about drug use and rape accusations.

•meeting a stranger with mild anxiety is natural and actually benefits both parties

Once I realized this - everything became a lot easier

Also think a lot of the hate comes from butt hurt guys that don't get any - but hey - I could be wrong

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