Blue Pill ExampleVice Documentary on Beta Males Trying to Redefine Masculinity (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood


Vice report from the UK travels around the US in search of what makes an American man a man.

It's hard to stomach the entire video.


The New Wave of American Masculinity


The Gluttonous Alpha Male

Right off the bat the reporter plays off the tried and true stereotype of American's and finds some overweight guy that competes in eating contests. The guy claims eating a shit ton of food and not taking care of your body is a very manly tradition for Americans. He got the tradition part right, not the manly part unfortunately. It's funny that the over weight beta even makes fun of the reporter.

The RP Doctor

Next up is Dr Edward M. Stephens, an internationally-recognized physician and psychiatrist. The only actual man in this entire video. Using logic, neurology and science to prove his points. Not what he 'feels' masculinity is. Unfortunately his segment is short and edited to only show his statements, not his explanations, great attempt to soundbite him into a old misogynist that doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Never mind he has a doctorate and dedicates his life to the study. At the end he notices the loaded question about stay at home dads and eloquently mocks it but in a PC fashion. He knows the status quo.

Stay at Home Dads

Now we get to stay at home dads. Personally i respect dedicating yourself to your child, unfortunately any boys being raised by these men are going to have a rude awaking when they get to the age of trying to bang girls with parental figures that teach them to be women.

Gay Is the New Way

Then we have Ray Rigoglioso, the auther of 'Gay Men and The New Way Forward'. His spin is he believes gay men are the path to a better society due to their unique ability to embrace both masculine and feminine traits. Now, I have read that gay men typically have a much higher IQ than their straight counter parts so this is an interesting spin I've never heard before. However i have no idea on it's factual validity or if he's just spewing self promotion to further book sales and making a living for himself. If anything, take from this guy that he's found a niche in our market. He's targeted a unique value in himself and he's effectively monetized it.

Edit: I really don't even know why this is in the video. It doesn't really have any correlation to the core concept and would be better off as it's own video. Except that /u/FLFTW16 pointed out that the 3 producers, are women, the researcher was a woman and 2 of the 3 editors are women. Gotta perpetuate feminism is better, right babe? I guess you can take another lesson on how not to do propaganda.

Boys 2.0

Lastly we have 'The Bravehearts'. A group of males, dare I say men, reverting back to boyhood to 'embrace' there true masculinity in a happy, huggy environment. There is even one ex-alpha. he states he use to bang chicks, was awesome at his career, traveled around the world and for whatever reason stopped all that. He comments that he "crashed and burned". Unfortunately we don't get to see what made him crash and burn.

They end the evening by doing a bunch or random, childish gestures to connect with their inner boy. I wish i could ask them, "Ya, didn't we do this... when we where boys?" If your idea of connecting with masculinity is to emulate your 8 year old self, you are utterly lost.


The best part of watching this is I had my plate over. Somewhere along the video the reporter states, "I'd like to have children some day". My plate immediately says, "This dude should never reproduce". Not a coincident that she's an extremely feminine girl and realizes what makes a man attractive and what doesn't. We live in a generation raised by separated parents or boys that have absolutely no masculine figure. The disparity between the men that get how to be attractive and masculine vs this next generation raised my men like this will only increase this divide. The 80% if this trend continues will probably be 90-95% by the next generation.

To bad these guys can't just pick up a history book, reflect on the last 7000 years of written history, study any depiction of a man in art through the centuries or read a book on biology and sexual dimorphism to see what makes a male attractive vs what doesn't. I guess they at least found happiness or some semblance of it. They just won't be climbing above what society has designed them for. Cog's make the world go round. At least they are blissfully ignorant of that fact.

Lessons Learned

Most men are utterly lost

This is the 80% we have to compete with

A good lesson on how not to be a man

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 367 points368 points  (68 children)

Producer: Elizabeth Skadden Producer: Adri Murguia Associate Producer: Annelise Ogaard Associate Producer: Rachel Rapkin Researcher: Lily Ames

This VICE episode is a pathetic female attempt to understand something outside of their grasp. All of the major creators of this are women, which is why it's no surprise the host is a limp wrist faggy Brit. Two of the three editors were also women.

The one man they interviewed who had any science or hard data was given little time. When he talked about how boys need physical movement to learn better the FIRST thing out of the faggot's mouth was "would girls learn better by passing a ball?" He can't even fathom the necessity to improve conditions for boys who are failing and dropping out at ever alarming rates, and can only think in one axis: is this good for girls yes or no?

They didn't talk to a sports team. They didn't go to a gym. They didn't interview a military unit. They didn't visit a gun club/hunting lodge/fisherman club.

This is softcore propaganda, imagined and produced by women who don't know the first thing about masculinity but who nevertheless produce documentaries about it. SO SAD!

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 61 points62 points  (7 children)

This is softcore propaganda, imagined and produced by women who don't know the first thing about masculinity but who nevertheless produce documentaries about it. SO SAD!

Just check the upvote/downvote on the youtube page. People aren't blind, they see the bullshit. Vice has gone down hill a lot these past years. There are still some good, unbiased and factual reports but it seems they are turning out more and more dog shit as they grow.

[–]CQC3 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Yup. I've been seeing a LOT of Feminism/SJW/PC culture bashing on YT these days. It's great. As for how that will transition into the public realm I don't know. Flame retardant people such as Milo are going to have to take the heat and say shit that other people can't but want to in order to open the public discourse.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Yah, I don't agree with Milo all the time, but that fabulous faggot is doing gods work.

[–]Cashews4U 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I thought it was dangerous faggot

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Depends on perspective. He is dangerous to some, fabulous to others.

[–]foldpak111 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Milo spoke of this. Slowly but surely people who see through the bullshit will be able to speak up. Why? We're winning.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Shouldn't have fired Gavin

[–]marplaneit 80 points81 points  (18 children)

When they tried to mock a Med. PhD. with bullshit, made me wanna beat the fuck out of that ignorant phaggot reporter. What unrespectfull piece of shit he think he is. Clearly that old man reads more books in a year that this guy will in his whole life.

[–]scholarly_pimp 29 points30 points  (15 children)

I couldn't even watch beyond the first take with the competitive eater... he was clearly mocking men and what he thinks America is. I hope no one watches this seriously

[–]strps 13 points13 points [recovered]

I get the impression that a large number of Europeans actually think that this is what being an American is about. It's really bizarre, under the guise of knowledgable cultural superiority they're willing to hold national prejudices without any real examination, and in this case even publish them. I'm not just talking out my ass either, this is exactly what people assumed about me when I lived there, from Ireland to Czech Republic, even though I'm low BF and in great shape. Really it just makes him look like an awful reporter/interviewer and a hipster asswipe as he mocks the people he is asking the assistance of to lampoon them.

[–]VictorEremitaK 4 points5 points  (11 children)

70% of americans are obese or overweight.

[–]Caucasian-African 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This is to make Europeans feel better about themselves. They never wonder why The US is so productive, if we're so lazy.

[–]excaliboor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those socks tho

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That dude was so scared about the possibility of the test showing he was gay. Looked like he saw a ghost.

[–]Lsegundo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why does this make you so mad? The general population is being misdirected. You're here at TRP learning the truth. This gives you an advantage with women.

[–]p3n1x 23 points24 points  (0 children)

They didn't talk to a sports team. They didn't go to a gym. They didn't interview a military unit. They didn't visit a gun club/hunting lodge/fisherman club.

It is typical media propaganda to show the "new" available options for men. If your agenda is to shoot down real masculinity, you surely do not advertise the things you dislike. No need to promote and put a good spin on what has been already happening for thousands of years.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (36 children)

You are mistaken, these women absolutely know about masculinity because they know what gives them tingles, and it's definitely not the betas in this movie. It's Chad Thundercock with his big muscles, blasting his pecs at the gym while these guys are prancing around in the woods holding hands.

As always with women, watch what they do, not what they say. Feminists encourage new wave masculinity, but their Alpha Fucks will always be Chad Thundercock.

[–]Fielder57 10 points11 points  (29 children)

But do they know what gives them the tingles? There are loads of women out there (Normally the fat ones) who claim to prefer fat men over ripped men and at this point I truly think that is what they Believe, (even though there body and lady bits know otherwise.)

[–]Casanova-Quinn 20 points21 points  (20 children)

who claim to prefer fat men over ripped men

Actions speak louder than words.

72% of women prefer Brad Pitt's body in Fight Club.

[–]1AFCdood 11 points12 points  (17 children)

I don't know why this study is taken as legitimate here. You even contradict your only point by citing a study which is an aggregation of what women SAY they prefer.

"Big muscles are gross! Until I'm near them and find myself dripping wet..."

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 13 points14 points  (15 children)

I was a Brad Pitt body at 175lbs 6'2" back 6 years ago. Today I'm 205lbs and still climbing. Can confirm, 72% is bullshit. Chicks go for the biggest. Pound for pound, as long has you maintain the same level of BF%, bulk to your genetic potential, stay within 5-10% BF and game becomes easy mode.

I've also noticed you distinctly walk differently as you get bigger. Your feet tend to point outward more, displaying your core more. It's basically the stereotypical gorilla walk. It might just be because I slack on stretching and flexibility but body language is a huge part of game and how attractive you are perceived. If anyone hasn't, read "What Every Body Is Saying", it goes into great depth of this and it's importance.

[–]kellykebab 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You might be right. 8-14 sounds a lot more reasonable for Bfp, though. 5 is like marathoner on race day.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 5 points6 points  (2 children)

bulk to your genetic potential, stay within 5-10% BF

Not saying it's impossible, but it's going to be damn hard staying "big" with less than 10% body fat if you're natural. I've got nothing against gear, but just saying.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That guy doesn't know what he's talking about. 10% body fat is what you need to look good if you don't have that much muscle, like Brad Pitt. People don't understand how lean 10% is.

When you're big, you have a 6 pack at 17%.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

natty you'll peak around 20-24% BMI with 10%ish BF. Go google pre 1940's bodybuilders(before steroids) and input their weight/height into a BMI. Then do the same for your height till you get around 20% BMI. that will give you an idea of your genetic potential and max weight you can reach before it start going to fat and you turn into a powerlifter.

[–]1AFCdood 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I have a fat ex-body builder friend (6'3, ~270) who gets unlimited attention because his arms and chest are still fucking huge. Other than his arms he has very little muscle definition and a bit of a belly but it doesn't matter, raw muscle size inspires primal tingles.

[–]Strike48 5 points5 points [recovered]

5% is contest prep body fat percentage. That sounds unhealthy year around. I'd rather just stay between 10%-12%

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[–]Rathadin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Clint, just read the whole article... its easy to see the women they polled live in fucking fantasy land.

"37.3% think that men should look good naturally without any effort"

Because looking like Brad Pitt in Fight Club, or Frank Zane, is possible without any effort.


[–]MonkeyDFreecs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not surprising this is the same gender that wants us to accept and be sexually attracted to them unconditionally as 300 pound butter beast.

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Lol, invisible Lat syndrome.

Keep carrying those paint cans!

[–]Casanova-Quinn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the difference here is that this is an anonymous survey. There are no social repercussions for saying you prefer six packs over dad bods.

I also don't think is a highly legitimate study, I'm sure there was still a degree of lying. I was trying to directly answer his "women prefer fat over ripped" comment with something other than a wise phrase. And I agree with your last sentence.

[–]yomo86 3 points4 points  (0 children)

72% have seen the movie in which Brad was the utmost violent, charming and dangerous motherfucker - so it's relative.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Who cares what they say they prefer. A lot of the stuff women say is irrelevant, contradictory, illogical, and emotionally based. Their actions are the only things that matter.

Women only say they prefer fat men because that's the hamster talking. They're either looking for a beta that won't leave them, or their SMV is too low to attract Chad (who is what they really want).

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I know it was in jest but never say "lady bits" ever again. That shit makes me cringe.

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[–]Cmon_Just_The_Tip 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lucky this shit got disliked into oblivion on YouTube

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know it's propaganda when they only show one side of the picture.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 98 points99 points  (8 children)

If your idea of connecting with masculinity is to emulate your 8 year old self, you are utterly lost.

Hey, I had a better idea of what masculinity means at the age of 8 than at the age of 18.

At the age of 8, what I considered cool/desirable was knights, cops, fast cars, guns, swords, muscles, martial arts, being wealthy, winning in a fight, being in charge etc.

At the age of 18 I thought all this was just juvenile or "not that important" (and, more importantly, I was totally convinced that women in their infinite wisdom as better human beings thought the same).

I have the theory that on a gut level we know what is attractive, or at the very least we easily form the right ideas around this. The problem is just that we get this drilled out of our heads. And this is fatal for your dating life, especially if coupled with a lack of social aptitude.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (3 children)

Your "gut feeling" is your DNA talking to itself - the result of billions of years of your DNA doing whatever is most rational for it to continue, through natural selection and evolution. Of course we have a strong instinctive sense of what is masculine, because that's how we got here in the first place.

[–]logicalthinker1 4 points5 points  (2 children)

And the fact that masculinity has been shunned so harshly makes it that much more refreshing to see it in the real world.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's why people notice you if you have big muscles, strong frame, and IDGAF attitude

[–]logicalthinker1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm just talking about from my "unplugged" perspective. Masculine used to stand out for obvious reasons. That contrast is more prevalent than ever.

[–]CQC3 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, and you're keying in on one of my favorite things Robert Green talks about in Mastery which are primal inclinations. The idea that the shit that resonates with you the most is often times most easily observed in childhood when you were more in touch with what interested you and you gave absolutely zero fucks about societal expectations or anything else. You only cared about amusing yourself so your internal compass is on point. You don't get stupid thoughts like, "should I really be drawing right now? Do I plan on becoming an artist, is this a waste of time?" Instead, kids just fully immerse themselves in whatever they do.

Transitioning that though, lately I've been realizing the same. I'm pretty self aware and my standards have always been relatively specific and high for women, but I've begun to do the dick test on all women. Regardless of what you think your type is, if the girl doesn't immediately inspire some visceral reaction in you, then you're not as attracted to her as you think.

The results of this method are amazing in how much it likely slims down your pool of "attractive" women. Of course, there are going to be women that are attractive and less of your type that you'd bang if the convenience was there. I realized that parts of attraction are seemingly irrational even for men. There have always been specific things I looked at, but with the dick test now I realize that our bodies and senses know attraction before our minds do. Not only is it chemical, but there's certain things the rational mind won't look for that our senses already know.

I like girls with tan skin, but not all tan skinned girls do it for me. Sometimes I see a girl with such a specific skin tone, and I don't know what it is but I know I'm attracted to it. Same goes for anything, body shape, hair, eyes, etc. You might be sold on a particular archetype of girl because of music, culture, TV, movies, etc. You might've been sold a fantasy and not realize it. When I was younger, I thought "Asian girls are hot for sure", and they are. But I realize now that I'm only attracted to a VERY specific type of Asian girl and that's a pretty small subset. Meanwhile, historically I've had the most amount of interest and investment in Spanish girls. I have a high attraction rate to Spanish women (you know...cept the uggos).

It's also important not to discount the mind as well though. Attraction is at once simple and yet very complicated too as our minds develop.

[–]AtlRP 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I had a better idea of what masculinity means at the age of 8 than at the age of 18.

Wow... that's a really good point and something I've never considered before you said it. More evidence of the BP wool pulled over the eyes during adolescensce. Probably not a coincidence that this occurs during that crucial time in an emerging man's life when it would better serve him to be exposed to full-throttle masculinity.

Would you consider writing a full post on this? Would be interesting to hear you expand on the topic.

[–]Tscio 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The Book of Pook discusses this topic here and there, nothing crazy in depth but a good read regardless.

Essentially men need to unlearn a lot of stuff that has been ingrained in us and revert to some of our (positive) childish behavior.

As a child we weren't afraid of talking to strangers, or girls our age. There was no approach anxiety, you'd ask a perfect stranger some benign question without hesitation.

A little boy doesn't spend his time pandering to a girls every need in an effort to gain her affection, he teases her and pursues things he finds fun or interesting.

[–]herewegoaga1n 93 points94 points  (60 children)

Yeah, society tries to neuter boys in school. You play too rough, pay attention, here's some pills...

Is it any wonder there are high suicide rates, shitty betas, keyboard white knights, and crazy bitches as far as the eye can see?

This is the end of the society that raised us. The next generation is fucked.

[–]Fielder57 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Spend some time on askmen, Almost every other question is dating or sex related, There are entire truckload of questions in there for 25 year old men who have never spent a night with a girl and groups of other men in the same situation group hugging and patting each other on the back for basically being pathetic. It can be an absolute shit-show. An entire demographic of men without a clue how to fuck. I don't think the next generation is fucked......YET. We are a generation where scores of Men and Women signed up to fight two wars in my nation (UK) and yours (US). There are certainly still real men from this generation but there is also a loud-mouthed minority (Or Majority) of pussies out there who want everyone to shame real men because, well i assume, they cannot be real men themselves and want to level the playing field. We need to work out how to put a stop to this before it does untold damage to the following Generation. The world is not a soft place, Children should be raised to realise this.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I went to askmen and read the first post that interested me called "Guys, what is the most sociopathic/psychopathic thing you have ever done?". The top comment was a woman responding with her totally shocking sex scandal followed by a dude who stole a parking space once.

[–]Fielder57 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Welcome to how the other half live buddy. Sad people living mediocre lIves desperately hoping to find someone to marry and breed with while they grow old on a resentful sexless marriage.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I actually saw some reasonably sound advice on there, but it only seems to survive if their women users, who they absolute adore, don't show up and refute it.

[–]Fielder57 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've been trying to give good advice on there for the younger guys but I just get down voted if I say anything that doesn't follow the opinion of the majority rule of Virgins and frustrated beta males.

[–]Moneyley 23 points24 points  (18 children)

here's some pills

This is what I find the most hurtful to society. Unnecessary rx's for both men and women have caused an incremental decline in cognitive abilities and self awareness.

Zoloft (sertraline) is an antidepressant in a group of drugs called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). Sertraline affects chemicals in the brain that may be unbalanced in people with depression, panic, anxiety, or obsessive-compulsive symptoms.

Imagine your son at school, laser focused. Continuously gets A's in class, finishes his work before the other kids and thus attempts to keep himself busy by talking to some of them. Instead of considering to have the student skip a grade or give him/her more challenging work. The teacher (programmed by today's society), decides that the student needs to be put on some medicine. He/she is just too hyperactive and needs to be leveled out to where the rest of the students are... This is now a life that has been fucked with, the next CEO of the world has been left in 3rd grade.

Inversely, you may have a quiet kid. He/she doesn't say much, pretty passive but breaks all the rules. Calls out the teacher on stuff she makes up. Only talks when he/she deems the comment will be constructive and or needs explanation. The teacher assesses that he/she is not paying attention in class. She is clearly giving the answers but this student just doesn't get it.. the student needs help focusing.

Adderall contains a combination of amphetamine and dextroamphetamine. Amphetamine and dextroamphetamine are central nervous system stimulants that affect chemicals in the brain and nerves that contribute to hyperactivity and impulse control.

Adderall is used to treat narcolepsy and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

Adderall may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide

This teacher just kept the next Mark O' Mara from winning a worldwide court case.

Would we have a Shakespeare if his superiors thought his poetry was too tragic? Einstein on Adderall because he needs to focus on tying his shoe laces like the rest of the boys. My boyhood hero was Joe Montana. I read that he would throw a football through a swinging tire for hours even after dark. Would he be deemed obsessive compulsive?

[–]eye_drive 12 points12 points [recovered]

My parents ruined my life with apathy.

On Effexor in the 6th grade. Citalapram by 7th, because all the kids on Effexor were killing themselves. The reason for the prescription? Depression. The cause of the depression? Shit awful apathetic parents with no clue how to parent a child. I was overweight and completely worthless as a teen. I don't even remember when I stopped taking the medication officially, sometime in highschool. Too obsessed with playing WoW every night to really remember much of that period.

Now I'm 24 with a defunct brain and loose skin from all the weight I had gained during that period.

FYI, raised by mostly my mother while my father worked all day then played on the computer when he came home at night, opting to spend his paycheck on fast food every night instead of braces for his children.

Now I feel like a shell of what a human being can be, and every day is spent coping with the reality that I'll always be behind where I should be developmentally. I struggle with suicidal ideation every day because of the stretched skin and overall apathy towards anything I could possibly make of myself.

[–]Lo-G 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Take you charge. The only person who can fix this is you.

[–]eye_drive 7 points7 points [recovered]

I'm working on it. It's a long road.

Moved out on the last day of highschool (my mother actually kicked me out so her boyfriend could move his stuff into my room - parents divorced when I was 17). I went from just under 300lbs to a current 180 (after struggling with an eating disorder that put me into the mid 130's). Working on socializing and right now I know my focus needs to be on reading more and talking to people. I have a small group of friends that are very important to me but I would like to expand upon this.

Every day is a struggle, I have to work against the way my brain thinks. There are good days and bad days, of course, but it's all challenging, and I wouldn't ever expect it not to be in the future. It's just hard some days to even maintain.

I'm working on becoming a better man, and it's going to take me the rest of my life.

[–]MOCKxTHExCROSS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here's a positive thought. Your brain adapted to the drugs. It can adapt to being without them as well. Find the things that are most difficult and practice those. You will get better with time.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

every day is spent coping with the reality that I'll always be behind where I should be developmentally.

Knock it off. You can't control the past. You can control the future. Every second you spend worrying about the past is less time for you to control the future.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Without getting too personal, did you have siblings growing up? I also had very apathetic mom and step dad, and a Disney dad I saw once or twice a year, but I had 2 sisters around the same age and I think we kept each other sane in some weird way. Don't get me wrong, I got my own problems (but fuck it, their mine now and I'm not gonna blame my parents for them), but my relationship with my siblings was closer than with my parents (my relationship with my mom and dad is closer now, maybe being distant for 6 years in some weird way made us closer, and I accepted to take a lead in trying to have relationship)

Edit: I have SAME exact story of my childhood.. parents playing video game all day, not caring about our school, not being mentors, not taking initiative to get us braces (even when they had good insurance).... dude I feel like I've ALWAYS been a late bloomer, but you can't let that stop you. It's not a race, we are all going to die the same way. If I see a 30 year old, going to college, I respect the fuck out of that person, etc.

[–]logicalthinker1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lol if the kid is getting A's and finishing his work, no one is putting him on pills. Kids with ADD struggle in school.

[–]neoj8888 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because of how dull it is. It seems to struggle in school is to be the more natural child seeing how unnatural modern schooling is. Confining children who are full of energy to low-grade clerical work all day is about as unnatural as it gets.

[–]2niczar 37 points38 points  (29 children)

here's some pills

I take it you're talking about ADHD.

For fuck's sake.

The pills are fucking SPEED.

They're not tranquilizers. They actually boost focus and motivation, as well as increasing physical performance, which is why they are forbidden to professional athletes.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 35 points36 points  (9 children)

They do stifle creativity though. Creativity is birthed from exploration and randomness. if you take a drug designed to improve focus for the majority of your youth, the time in your life you are the most curious, yes you'll excel at specific things, like the school system training you to be cog.

I've see a major correlation in all my peers since graduation. Almost non of them can think abstractly, create or produce original content or think outside the box. Great for following orders and being told what to do. Horrible if you want to step off the beaten path and make your own way.

Not saying speed is bad, but it is abused and used in a way to control the children. Not letting them explore and become their own individual.

[–]2niczar 10 points11 points  (4 children)

You could be right, but "creativity" is a very subjective quality. Self-discipline however is rather straightforward, and I can speak from experience when I say that it's severely impacted by ADHD, and definitely helped a lot by stimulants.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It takes a proper ying and yang. I was definitely a kid that 'should' have been on ritalin or adderall. I was the kid always asking, "why". Always getting into trouble, really creative, failed all my classes cause i couldn't focus. I struggled a lot with self-disipline but luckly I had a strong father figure that taught me right once i was about 14-15. If i was raised by my mother alone I'd be fucked right now. It takes a strong male figure to teach a boy how to become a man.

Personally I'd never trade all my failures and weaknesses in exchange for more self-discipline and a more 'success' in k-12. It's easy to learn discipline, hard to start thinking abstractly. I can do and figure out things in my career that most people utterly fail at. It's given me a unique niche that I've exploited to good effect.

From a purely statistical standpoint I'd suggest never giving your boy drugs for focusing. Merely because everyone else is doing that to their kids now. If you want to be successful you have to stand out from the crowd. The majority will be adderall driven, the minority will stick out and be able to do things the majority can't. Your uniqueness is what separates you and gives you value you can sell to others. And since you are reading this, you probably will be a fairly good masculine figure for your child which shouldn't be a problem raising him from a boy into a man.

Edit: Here is a great video on the childhood of Steve Wozniak, the founder of Apple. Imagine what his child hood would have been like if they forced adderall down his throat to focus more in school. Imagine what he would have turned out like.

[–]RP_Vergil 1 point2 points  (2 children)

If by allowing Greater "Focus" on materials that aren't right to begin with, don't you think it's going to be worse? Much like kids growing up in an environment which is flooded by Blue Pill knowledge, the more he absorb this information the more he is entrenched in it. Instead of allowing him to think freely and challenge the information force fed into his mind.

I've seen a whole slew of Graduates who only knew the "Right" way of doing things is the way they did it to please the professor in college. Going extra mile in it claiming any other methods are wrong and jaw dropped to see it worked better than how they think.

If the Focus given is on the right stuff (Studying and understanding of fundamental laws of sciences or other neutral subjects) then we could have the possibility to see more "creativity" explored by those who dare take the knowledgeable to another level.

[–]2niczar 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If by allowing Greater "Focus" on materials that aren't right to begin with, don't you think it's going to be worse?

It's definitely going to be worse. But the thing is, with severe enough ADHD it gets extremely frustrating doing even the things you love. And it can become nearly impossible to adapt to even slightly frustrating situations.

Look, without ADHD meds I can't even sit still in a business meeting. Business meetings are usually mostly useless, but you have to do the song and dance from time to time to have a career.

[–]RP_Vergil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll agree it's useful when the Point of Application is required, not when it's simply handed out to kids like candies handed out during Halloween.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 4 points5 points  (1 child)

As a guy who has ADHD and takes meds for it, let me say the dose amount is an important factor. I have been on high and low doses in order to figure out what's right for me. I currently take a dosage that helps me focus, but doesn't turn me into a "zombie". Anyone taking ADHD meds should experiment with different dosages. A good doctor should be open to trying a range of doses as well.

[–]pfffft_comeon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i vary my dose. higher doses when i sit down to read something dense works because i can stop the irrelevant noise in my head and juggle abstract concepts for a longer period of time. a lower dose and i can focus better and still be creative when i write. no dose and i can let my mind wander from subject to subject making associations.

this medicine isn't supposed to be used 24/7 to take care of a kid's "discipline" problems, but people unfamiliar with the drug probably treat it that way thus you see the attitudes toward it evidenced in this thread. it's purpose isn't something to get you to pay attention when you're bored at work/school, but it definitely is used that way and can be beneficial in that context. it's not really its purpose though.

[–]logicalthinker1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well shit, if you've seen it in some friends I guess that's the end of that discussion. I mean that was almost too scientific.

[–]1PrinceofSpades 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Create a universe off the adhd pills, bring it to life in them. That's how I've been getting through my writing exercises as of late.

[–]DocForcekin 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I see what you're saying, and technically you're right. However, ADD/ADHD medicine suppress social motivation and energy. They can grind hard on studying or work, enthusiastically so, but the kids don't give a fuck about playing or socializing, which is hugely detrimental to the development of kids and teens. I remember in a last ditch effort to get me to be a better pupil, my mother asked me to try her 20mg amphetamine salts (Adderall), I got a lot better with my studies, but I turned into a apathetic zombie. I would sit in my room and stare at the wall if I didn't have anything to do. My room was clean as fuck though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see what you're saying, and technically you're right. However, ADD/ADHD medicine suppress social motivation and energy.

Idk man me and all my other friends that take adderall recreationally take it because it make us social as fuck and your game is so on point when you're on addies its unbelievable(similar to cocaine). Every friend that has tried it in a social situation with girls has realized that theres a chad inside of them that addies bring out. Obviously its nothing to depend on and should only be taken on occasion, but point being addies actually make you extremely talkative and social, all uppers do, especially if mixed with alcohol

[–]verify_account 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Someone here actually understands ADHD for once.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

See, this is what I don't like about the message a lot of guys are taking from this. Some chicken little, sky is falling attitude. also one very sympathetic to the world being out to get you, and it's not your fault.

Fuck that. Sure, the greatest generation had men showing them how to be men, they also had to go fight germans and the commies. Life isn't worse, it's just no longer a dangerous, simple path, but a fuzzy, safe one.

Society does nothing, and thats the point. You ain't shit, life is treating you like you aint shit, and its your job to become shit.

The generations will be like most others. a few losers, a large amount of average, muddling through life, and a few winners.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuck yes! This has been my outlook lately. I tell myself 'Even if the whole world goes to shit, I'll be okay. I'm adaptable.' I try not to be completely apathetic towards the issues, but at the same time I'm not going to catastrophize them. Especially with feminazis, I tell myself 'Even if the world turns into a feminist playground, I can be the Chad they all want to fuck.'

[–]RP_Vergil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree, life isn't about knowing which tracks would contain Animals that see you as meals anymore. Society created a safe haven from predators of the food chain, but not for the Mind.

We do not have as much challenges anymore. We're told that it's ok to cry, it's ok to say what makes us scared, it's ok to be Weak because evil men are the ones who want us to be fearless so we can become those evil men ourselves and continue the cycle.

Rampancy of Porn, varieties of Porn, homemade Porn, live stream, HD Porn and even more, removes even our only other primal urges away from us (Food and safety is covered). When we realize that choking the chicken doesn't satisfy us anymore we start to desire relationship with Woman, but porn and TV Shows/Movies doesn't teach us right, Websites about "How to love a Woman" written by a Woman made many believed it's the right way since "it's written by a Woman aftera all".

Stifle of chances to learn when growing up, many Man only learned it through the hard way, many fell and turned into movements like the Herbivore Males in Japan, worse becomes reclusive Hikikomori (Home Staying Social Rejection) and only trawl the internet to relieve their need for social interaction. It's not just Japan, it's slowly appearing in other countries as well. As it normalized, it'll just be treated as a "Natural" way for people to behave in this current society and soon be neglected.

We are in an era where it could be worse than before, where the weaker people could have a chance at improving after a live and death situation, now the path of least resistance is merely to just give up, satisfying their basic needs easily like having meals out of a box instead of taking effort to prepare a wholesome meal.

It's either we pull ourselves out of this deep end shit hole, or we just let it slowly drown us out. The Option is entirely up to us. Live, or Rot away your days.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm 21 and I see it all around me. The most I can do for our future is raise my kids properly.

[–]nabosch 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Fat out of shape slob literally eating like a pig with food smothered on his face and hands like a 2 year old child asking “Don’t you feel more manly now?” after it’s gone.

Fat out of shape stay home dad who probably gets 2 blowjobs a year from his pants wearing wife and the other career-less men at the park

The “Bravehearts” Jesus. The long awkward hugs, the prancing through the woods holding hands, what the fuck? “The new masculine”

If you're RP, the world is your oyster. Go get it.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

The look on the doctor's face when the reporter suggests gender is a social construct is priceless

edit : right around 6:15

[–]NoIamNotARobot 47 points47 points [recovered]

Most men are utterly lost This is the 80% we have to compete with

  • More than 2 in 3 adults are considered to be overweight or obese.
  • How many of the rest have ANY game?

There has never been an easier time to slay pussy out there. Read the sidebar, put in the work gentlemen.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

More than 2 in 3 adults are considered to be overweight or obese.

I don't think this is not a good thing for us, because while we have less fit/attractive men to compete with we also have less women to choose from.

[–]IAM_CHAD_AMA 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Yes but the fat men will breed with the fat women and the hardbody alphas with fit chicks, eventually separating ourselves into two separate societies with the fatties obviously being second class citizens

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

We already have that and it sucks. The fatties take up more room and resources, making life shittier for the fit people.

[–]Cashews4U 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And they never stop bitching and moaning

[–]trumpisafaggybeta 7 points8 points  (0 children)

More than 2 in 3 adults are considered to be overweight or obese.

I wonder how many of the remaining 1/3 are NOT scrawny, either.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

I really enjoyed that video because I fully encourage feminists betas trying to redefine masculinity, because it's less competition for me. No amount of redefining masculinity can change basic biology. Women will always be primarily attracted to men with big muscles/low BF%, stoic, strong frame, and IDGAF attitude, and will always lose tingles if they have to be a man's provider.

[–]dpape39 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You just gave me a newfound appreciation for SRS and Co.

[–]logicalthinker1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can't outrun biology. It doesn't matter how many times you tell me to not check out women or look at them sexually. If I see a hot girl in a nice outfit, I'm checking her out.

[–]Fielder57 35 points36 points  (6 children)

As a British guy, Can I just say that VICE does not represent or speak for all of us British Guys. There are plenty of Proper British men out here, Just most of us do not work in the media. We are outside working hard jobs or running businesses or working to make ends meet. Not everyone is a whiny little bitch with bad teeth and desperate need for a haircut.

The fact he had to travel to America to do this is laughable, The exact same stereotypes can be found in the UK as well.

[–]logicalthinker1 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You gave the world James Bond. You've done plenty in the world of good male role models.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Don't worry, I watch Geordie Shore mate. I know.

[–]Fielder57 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lol Geordie Shore is hardly a fine example either but it will do.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, I'd watch a show about jacked dudes who get major ass and dress well over this whiny waste of male feminist life any day

[–]longerdistance 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I've lately been going MGTOW because I'm trying to become enlightened and don't want to deal with the BS women represent.

I've noticed that even as I give only the absolute bare minimum of interaction to women that is still withing socially acceptable bounds, I still receive IOI's from them. This leads me to believe that even just not acting like a beta male around them is enough to spark interest. Mind you, I'm not acting alpha or aloof in any way, I'm simply polite.

[–]TheVictor333 16 points17 points  (2 children)

I truly think, that the fastest way for a man to grow more masculine is through conflict. More specifically, fighting. I bet if you asked any of the dudes in the video if they've ever been in a fight, a majority of them would say "no."

I think Chuck Palahniuk (ironically, he's gay), the author of Fight Club was on to something when he had Tyler Durden's character telling dudes to go out and pick a fight with anybody.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

The only way to grow is through conflict. Mentally or physically. Look at Trigglypuff. That's what happens when you are incapable of progressing past conflict. You are stuck as a child.

Look at every successful man ever and it will be a man that's confronted conflict a thousand times over. The only difference is how you process the conflict. You either reflect, throw away your ego, see your fuck ups, improve and innovate a new way, or you don't and you learn nothing.

Conflict is only a catalyst. revelation is being self aware enough and discarding your ego to improve and become better.

[–]kellykebab 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They really need to change the name of this magazine. The first time I ran across Vice, in like 2004, one of the main articles was on homemade prison and gang weapons. It is literally the opposite of what it used to be.

[–]benczi 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Dear God, The Bravehearts, they took a great concept and perverted it.

Funny thing is, I'm also in a men's group called Bravehearts. We meet every second week. The basic idea is that of the mastermind group (Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich), except that we focus on the lessons from The way of the superior man by David Deida.

The group is lead by a leader for four session, after which he selects the next leader. I was selected to lead this month, and I can tell you one thing: leading grown men is not a walk in the park.

The idea of having men's groups is good. The purpose and content of a group is what defines it; have a clear and well defined purpose, work on having quality content, and you could have an amazing group of red pill men.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That's really interesting. Would you mind going in to a little more detail on what you do for the sessions? All I can picture based on what you've said is some sort of campfire book club - I mean no disrespect.

[–]Verve11 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is a great idea. How did that get started?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It really is amazing to see the generational differences in ways of thinking. That doctor was the only one who looked comfortable in his own skin, because he was the only one who understood how the world works.

[–]Faps2Down_Votes 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Fuck em. I'll just bang their girlfriend.

[–]play_time_is_over 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Its okay to be a stay at home dad as long as you're a work at home dad.

Traditionally every dad was a stay at home dad. Because he would stay at home to work on his farm. Or his blacksmith/shop would double as his home.

Hell my sensei is technically a stay at home dad, but he is also the families sole source of income working from home - if you can call it that.

The issue isn't staying at home, the issue is not be the leader of your family.

[–]symaine39 6 points7 points  (0 children)

...The West is going to fucking lose the Third World War...

[–]the_mighty_mango 5 points6 points  (0 children)

the comments gave me a little hope

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I tried to watch the intro, but decided there was nothing to gain after hearing "mansplaining." I may be a new user, but there must be a better way to spend my 20 minutes, I think your synopsis will do well enough thank you.

[–]darkstar1031 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I am so sick and tired of gay men being put on some sort of fucking pedestal like some fucking statue of Zeus just because of some perceived notion about obscure Kwisach Haderach like abilities relating to a melding of masculine and feminine. It doesn't fucking exist. Why can't gay men just be gay men?

[–]cashan0va_007 3 points4 points  (1 child)

At work I am a junior employee under a mid-50's lesbian. She's nice enough and knows I'm not a push over, she is the "woman" in her relationship. We get along pretty well. But now and then, she pushes her "lesbian" lifestyle choices and ideals onto other people; and tries to make it seem like being gay is an exclusive club that all the cool people belong to. Like its prestigious. Like its an accomplishment. Like being gay is like getting a PhD degree from an ivy-league school. I know exactly what you're talking about, so just know that you're not the only one who feels that way and looks at the "gay-agenda" that way.

[–]darkstar1031 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean, I don't really give a flying fuck what happens in peoples personal lives. Fuck whoever you want in whatever combinations you want, but don't fucking expect me to care, and keep that shit to yourself.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 23 points24 points  (24 children)


The globalists that invent the Blue Pill emotional indoctrination system must laugh when they see the results of their work.

The Red Pill is about waking up boys... Kill the Beta.

Genetics plays a very small part in our discussions here.

Most people can be woken up if they are given the guidance of a Red Pill.

(otherwise Red Pill would be pointless because it would be genetic)

In past times a boy went through a ritual to become a masculine man and the only difference today is that there are no rituals and the tv, schools, news, teach us myths that dumb us down.

Destroy the mythology and awaken the boys and the West will Red Pill itself.


[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (8 children)

Yep, almost all men have the potential to be Chad Thundercock. The men on this planet are here right now because our female ancestors cucked the betas of their times to ensure alpha genetics would be passed onto us. So use your alpha genetics to their full potential - become Chad Thundercock.

[–]AtlRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

our female ancestors cucked the betas of their times to ensure alpha genetics would be passed onto us.

Thanks, Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Grandma, you hypergamous slutty cunt!

[–]NeoreactionSafe 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Chad Thundercock in our terminology doesn't reproduce.

Chad Thundercock is like the high sex drive homosexual male who has hundreds of sex acts with different women. He's driven by his sensation to maximize sensation. He is the 666 male (thought, speech, action) making him physical and sensual, but without an interest in reproduction. (or family)



Lesbians, then, tell us something true about straight women. Retention of crucial psychosexual characteristics of the heterosexual standard is common in both lesbians and gay men. Just as gay men behave sexually like straight men, except with damaged target designators and no female gold-plated pussy obstacles to outmaneuver, lesbians behave sexually like straight women with no need to arouse visually-oriented straight men.

In the heterosexual sex market, the opposite sex is like a check on each other, placing constraints on just how much a person can express his or her sexual nature. Women can’t let themselves go without risking solitude and men can’t satisfy their urge to sleep with thousands of women without achieving a high social or material status or a degree of skill in the crimson arts.

These opposite-sex constraints are missing or greatly mitigated among homosexuals. Gay male libido is just as visually-oriented as that of straight men’s, but is allowed to fully express because gay men are less protective of their cheap sperm than straight women are of their expensive eggs. Ugly gay men have it rough, but for most it’s a sexual circus with no safety net.


[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Chad Thundercock in our terminology doesn't reproduce simply because modern birth control methods enable him to not reproduce if he doesn't want. All throughout history, Chad Thundercock was knocking up women left and right.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Chad is a reference to the concept of a "Cad".

In the 1800's there were "Cads" that would have extensive affairs outside of marriage and people were okay with it as long as he was a good father to his wife's children.

A bastard child was treated like an outcast.

So the Chad ("Cad") Thundercock produced a mix of "high quality" married legitimate children and "low quality" bastard children.

Women that slept with Cads were generally of a lower class.

Bastard children typically were lower class.

Hitler was the bastard offspring of a wealthy family through his grandmother who worked as a maid.


[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The social stigma was irrelevant to the fact that Chad throughout history was the guy with the most desirable genetics that reproduced more often than Beta Billy, who was busy raising Chad's bastard children because he unknowingly got cucked, and ensuring that Chad's bastard children passed their genetics onto us.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Chad was the upper class man sleeping with the peasant girls.

In his own social class (the upper class) he had a wife and did all the proper things a Gentleman was supposed to do.

But then he would slip outside his normal world and "get naughty" ("bohemian") with the peasants.

Moulin Rouge (2001) - trailer - YouTube



[–]MOCKxTHExCROSS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Conclusions. Lesbian women have a higher prevalence of overweight and obesity than all other female sexual orientation groups. This finding suggests that lesbians are at greater risk for morbidity and mortality linked to overweight and obesity. This finding also highlights the need for interventions within this population.


[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not everyone can become an AF. However, anyone can prevent himself from becoming a BB.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of people don't even understand Game so they can't even begin to compete.

This is why if Red Pill were taught to all children then you would have more Alphas and less chance that globalist elites could fuck us all over.

When men fail to learn Game the world is ruled by tyrants.


[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 1 point2 points  (10 children)

The globalists that invent the Blue Pill emotional indoctrination system must laugh when they see the results of their work.

They're all dead. The American education system was based off the Prussian system in the 1800's. Everyone today is either a product of it's creation, self aware enough to either perpetuate it for their own gains(cough political families, Koch Brothers, Wallstreet) or reject it and make their own way.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 11 points12 points  (9 children)

By "they" you mean the wisdom of the 1800's.

Yes, that's pretty accurate.

American Freedom peaked from about 1830 to 1913 when the globalists were out of power.

Andrew Jackson (the guy they want off the $20 bill) was the anti-globalist that got the central banking system shut down.

WWI (1913) was when the Federal Reserve Bank (private globalist bank) took over and it's been all downhill since then.

True Masculine Freedom in America ended in WWI.


[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 11 points12 points  (6 children)

The globalists of 1910-1930's were the ones that caused the Nazi Regime and rise to power. It's funny how we all look at Nazi's as the evil superpower that was birthed from... wait... why did the Nazi's, a radical anti-semetic group rise to power? i wonder...

Oh ya, it was because the globalist, Treaty of Versailles and central banks completely decimated and exploited the German populace after WW1. Which allowed a radical group to gain power and massacre 6 million.

Funny how they never really focus on this part of the history in the media or our education system.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Nazi's, a radical anti-semetic group.

The Nazi's were anti-Torah much like the Zionists.

And about that 6 million number...

For several decades before WWII the Zionists were discussing what would it take to create the State of Zionist Israel. They thought they needed a "Pearl Harbor" like event (obviously using different references) and they talked frequently of having 6 million Jews being killed to provoke the creation.

The number "6" in hebrew is the letter "Vav".


"6" represents the physical world as opposed to the number / letter "7" which represents the spiritual world.

So the 6 million figure has a religious meaning.

The actual number of innocent (many Torah, but mostly secular) Jews who died was by best estimate about 2.5 million.

It was necessary for the globalist ritual to say 6 million though.

This is much like with 911 where in order to complete the religious element of the ritual they had to bring down Building 7. It is believed that something went wrong and they had to simply "take it down".

Mark Passio did a great youtube about the ritual.


[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Mark Passio

Meh. Although I enjoy some of his talk about occult symbolism and numbers, this dude and his glorification of the feminine are pretty annoying and to me it often seems much more like he isn't honest and sincere in his self-proclaimed turn from his satanic past, but it looks much more like he is doing his part in the externalization of the hierarchy of the luciferian occult.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, he's doing his best to have a "unity consciousness".

The fact is that his "default" thought pattern is ego. He's making an effort to balance himself by breaking the ego (Frame) and having empathy.

Obviously his whole body of work is "anti-globalist" so he's Red Pill.

We aren't perfect human beings... none of us are...


[–]sigma272 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Nice to see that some people on this forum have swallowed the other, bigger red pill. Shame about Jackson. I think he was America's last real president.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

By the time the $20 bill is remade it will be 2020.

My guess is we are deep into WWIII and the dollar will be worthless anyway.

Think of the new bills as toilet paper.


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

BP me would have argued that those boy to man rituals were nonsense and had no real value other than torturing the kid (I'm saying this with the bullet ant gloves in mind). Now I understand that doing that ritual teaches him that mommy is no longer his protector and that he must endure hardship in order to have the respect of other men, and most importantly of his father.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah when people talk about "Alpha DNA" I always have to laugh.

Most of what makes up masculine polarity is learned. You can "Kill the Beta" and unleash the man who is your human potential.

The Blue Pill is an emotional indoctrination designed to suppress consciousness. In the true sense it's "man made" (the rulers of all ages) so it's the truly artificial mythology.

The Red Pill simply exposes the obvious.


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[–]Fielder57 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Have a look at Wales mate, Plenty of Lodges in Wales where you can do just that. Me and my buddies go on hunting or shooting trips to Wales quite often.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

man vice has gotten so shitty. I'm so sick of society's obsession with vilifying masculinity and turning men into women. Why cant men be men?

[–]cashan0va_007 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So I was reading this article on illuminatiwatcher.com the other day. It's how the powers that be are trying to push a transhumanist or androgynous agenda. They want families divided. They want gender neutral. Think about it, if they crucify the image of the masculine man, and say it's not cool to be a strong alpha male, they are getting rid of their opposition. You think a beta male will die for his belief? You think a beta male will challenge the system? Hardly... I think they are trying to abolish the alpha male. It's all planned out.

Anything that is natural they hate. As a Christian I think Satan is the divider. He divides families from each other, divided communities, races, cities, countries. Whenever I see this division, I think it's Satans work. And I see a lot of it. It's everywhere these days. And it has gotten worse over the last 20 years. Things weren't this bad in the mid-90's. I'm 31 now and the world has changed so much. They used to value strong men, now it's looked down upon.

[–]BallisticTherapy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Personally I think religion is the original blue pill, but you do realize Satan is a personification of all the natural urges & primal natures that the Church seeks to control in order to consolidate power, right? They put a leash on your balls and say you have to go through them to get the key. Islam does the same thing - that's why there are so many sexually repressed young people joining ISIS as an outlet.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Great write up. Although I think it's completely possible for a stay at home dad to raise his kids correctly and show his sons a "masculine" identity. Maybe the dad has a woodshop in the garage or runs his business in the home office.

Also the part about reconnecting with your 8 year old self.. Given I didn't watch the video; but I personally do stuff like this a lot in my leisure time. Skateboarding, cycling, pick up game of basketball at the court etc.. I did all this stuff when I was 8 and still do as a 26 year old.

Typical feminist propaganda. But the reason why this shit gets funded is because of the silver linings of such a product "OMG! Look how stupid this is! Let's get outraged by it!" Not saying OP has this opinion, since we talk about this stuff at TRP, but you get the gist..

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think it's completely possible for a stay at home dad to raise his kids correctly and show his sons a "masculine" identity. Maybe the dad has a woodshop in the garage or runs his business in the home office.

Definitely, but the these guys definitely strikes me as not that type.

[–]Unholy_VI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For sure.

The guys in the video weren't rebuilding Harleys in the garage. They were housewives.

[–]TheMightyMooseKing 3 points4 points  (0 children)

the documentary should rather be called: The New Wave Of American "Masculinity"

[–]Moot_dred 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My favorite comment is "I'm gay and even I'm not as much as a faggot as most of the guys in this video"

[–]ghee99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yup, they try to (falsely) make being a man seem like some sort of "lower class" activity that they, as the elite and effete types are just too cultured to engage in. in reality, they are just giving up, and resigning themselves to their beta nature.

meanwhile here in liberal California, as yet one more example of the attempts to eliminate true masculinity, they blocked a bill to honor John Wayne.


[–]Redasshole 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We live in a generation raised by separated parents or boys that have absolutely no masculine figure.

I tried very hard to find a masculine figure and a group of guys to hang out with, a tribe I can rely on to adopt a code that fits a man. I found no support system. Everywhere I look there are SJW blue pill beta boys or social cycle full of women where guys adopt what they say to please the feminine imperative.

How the fuck can I find a masculine figure to learn from and a brotherhood of manly friends? The only 'awakened' (read not mangina) men I could find were always walking their path alone and I only met one so far.

[–]Strike48 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The only somewhat rational fucking person in that video is that old man around the 7 minute mark.

The rest of the video already seems like its full of betas.

[–]cashan0va_007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel bad for saying this, but this Vice reporter is such an effeminate little faggot, and his face and voice pisses me off. He reminds me of this closet gay kid in my grade at high school, who was in the drama club. He acts exactly like that. His buggy eyes and soft face are screaming insecurity. It's like even at birth, he was destined to be A bitch, his face rebelled and tried to be a woman. His movements and the way he walks show no confidence, no bravado. OP's girl is right, this guy should never reproduce.

Maybe he will have kids one day, they just won't be his. Just the 3 he helps raise from when his wife was fast enough to catch the 3 alphas. Her hormones knew she'd never get the opportunity again, so she had to have the baby NOW.

It all fits so perfectly into our little TRP paradigm. Alpha rides off into the sunset, after depositing his seed, beta bucks provider pays for his kid for 18+ or more years, and the wife is the alpha widow who can live in relative comfort and have her brood taken care of.

I like the saying "Alpha fucks, Beta bucks" . The Red Pill is truth. We lay our cards on the table. We say what we feel. We act. So actually, I'm not sorry for being mean to this guy. I'm saying what I feel inside, and if more men expressed their anger or frustrations, society might not be as upside down as it is now.

[–]new_user1147 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I tried to watch... I really did. But it lost me at mansplained

[–]foldpak111 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sometimes I can't even stomach how sexist towards men our society is. Our nation is doomed.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why does shit like this piss me off so much??!!

[–]Penguin327 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I can almost guarantee you that the Stay at Home Dad's wife is cheating on him.

[–]1bromyiqis900 2 points3 points  (1 child)

How about we don't pretend every generation of males doesn't have millions of beta feminine pussies?

Who is to blame for education, mind control through pills, etc? is it women? NO, it's the same people it's always been, the weak men using schemes (and brilliant ones) for control of those they could never compete against directly.

I'm not trying to make game of thrones a fucking documentary, but since most of you likely watch it, how many scheming little bitch men are there in that show trying to take down the strong alpha killers getting all the pussy?

This is how it has always been.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Smartness is a way to win the game. I never saw one episode of game of thrones so i'm not taking this from your negative-framed point of view, so i'll give my own one.

Odyssey: Ulisses vs Polifemo. Would you consider Ulisses more alpha if he took a club and swinged it around the giant ? no, he would be a retard. His alphaness and leadership obviously didn't came from his physical or warrior abilities but from his mental ones.

Most leaders of men weren't that big if not in savage settings where the best warrior was automatically the best leader. Instead ways of visualizing solutions, plan for them etc was considered more desirable for kings and emperors.

That's not to say bravery and physical aptness are to discard, just it's not all valuable about males there is.

And most of all, the Alpha who just takes all the pussy available is actually quite retarded in a limited social setting. A gronk if you want.

If you are in a tribe of 10 men and 10 women and you take them all you are basically asking to get killed and likely will be. An alpha is a leader; not a malicious tyrant. In this setting a real alpha would just take the best woman ( the fair prize ). If he's particularly amoral maybe even the 2 ( well the other better 2, then slide down ) for the bottom guys who can't retaliate since he still hold allies in the other 7/10.

No man is a giant and people who believe they can just fuck over others for being "bigger and better" usually get wiped from the gene pool. Unless they continously plan to kill/enslave physically any guy they see which makes life a continue bloodshed.

That's the only plan available for someone who is willing to take all teh pussy should it be offered to him.

And since i know there is a good counterpoint to my argument "so why is this behaviour still in the genepool" i'd say there were times this kind of man could be very successful - when groups constantly made war on each other, this guy could probably avoid getting killed in battle and fuck the surplus left of women ( think Gengis Khan ), and still be respected for his war leadership. Remove that necessity, and he gets shot in the back fast.

[–]anotherforgottenman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A bunch of Vaginas don't know what it's like to be a dick they only know what it's like to get fucked by them.

[–]ChimpWithAGun 2 points2 points [recovered]

This is the 80% we have to compete with

There is a popular saying in mexican spanish that applies perfectly for this:

Menos burros, más olotes

It translates to:

Less donkeys, more cobs

In other words: better for us, less true competition.

[–]yummyluckycharms 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Less competition, but the problem is that the sheer number of these beta bitches start having unforeseen consequences.

  • Health care costs skyrocket because they dont lift and go to the ER everytime they get a blister

  • women become increasingly pyschotic because they can only find wimps to marry - the result is even more crazy laws against men.

  • because they have no ambition - they dont get the top jobs - because they dont get the top jobs, women will permanently lock men out of these positions as it crystallizes as the new norm. I'm starting to see this creep into finance right now and definitely consulting.

[–]ratthing 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not to mention the decrease in the birth rate, dooming us all eventually.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That "Bravehearts" segment was expert level cringe... I felt like I was watching a Mr. Show sketch.

[–]Beastrik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I blame our president Barack O' Beta.

[–]hereicum2trolltheday 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The weird thing (or actually not weird at all when you really think about it) is that now that gay is becoming more and more acceptable, it's also becoming more and more masculine. Gay has been associated with feminine for so long, because those were the only ones who couldn't hide it. But there are a LOT of masculine gay men, and it's becoming the norm to avoid and even disparage feminine gay men. 20 years from now, "queens" will be a rarity.

[–]OneInAZillion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On the bright side, this documentary has 66% dislikes.

[–]the_trumanshower 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just saw this video last night, utterly disappointed in VICE. Glad to see it was down voted to hell.

[–]quieroser 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Brace yourselves for more of this BS. If (and it seems like a likely outcome these days) our next president is a woman, the media will be flooded with similar nonsense for 4 (possibly 8) years.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Goes to a guy with scientific proof. Calls it his point of view. Okay

[–]thisornothing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The video was ridiculous, skewed to a world view that isn't even slightly based on facts.

What I don't get, is the wave of dislike there seems to be here from Americans for anyone from Europe. I'm from Scotland, and it honestly strikes me as a bizarre, petty and childish way to behave. Man the fuck up and stop projecting your insecurities.

[–]symaine39 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Before watching this documentary, read this article:

Russian Soldier Calls in Airstrike on Self When Surrounded by ISIS

Now watch the video...particularly, when watching the last section ("The Bravehearts"), keep this question in mind:

Are these the sort of "men" who would call in a fucking airstrike on themselves if surrounded, pinned down by murderous gun fire, and certain to be captured or killed by a ruthless enemy?"

The answer is a resounding... NO.

The West is going to lose the Third World War...

[–]excaliboor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Poor Gavin McInnes, his heart must be broken when he sees what Vice has come to be

[–]RedPill_FightClub 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is either nauseating, or hilarious, I'm not sure which. But I'll say this, it sure does make it easy. It's nice to know that we essentially have no competition.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Right off the bat the reporter plays off the tried and true stereotype of American's and finds some overweight guy that competes in eating contests. The guy claims eating a shit ton of food and not taking care of your body is a very manly tradition for Americans. He got the tradition part right, not the manly part unfortunately. It's funny that the over weight beta even makes fun of the reporter.

This is along the same lines of guys who think drinking beer is manly. Not only is it empty calories and will make you fat, but the alcohol lowers testosterone and raises estrogen, and can give you ED if you drink too much of it in one sitting. My uncle makes fun of me when I buy light beer: "What are you watching your girly figure??" Yeah asshole, I am watching my figure. You should try it sometime.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"What are you watching your girly figure??"

"Yes, because I like to have sex with women that are actually attractive. It's alright if your into butch dudes or hambeasts."

[–]bustedcougar 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Actually, it's the hops that give you a huge boost in estrogen (on phone. google yourself. plenty of studies). Drink stouts & other alcohols that aren't made with hops. Too much will still give you whiskey-dick, of course.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alcohol still lowers testosterone and raises estrogen, the hops may just raise the estrogen further. Also, being fat (a side effect of drinking too much beer) lowers your T levels.

[–]Unholy_VI 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Haha I saw this a few days ago.

Everything you said is right on. Kind of sucks that these are even considered documentaries since everything I've seen from vice is just an unfocused meaningless meandering POS.

At least they're short.

[–]cashan0va_007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You hit something dead on the head, at least the vice documentaries are short. That's a good thing. The other thing is, they are a private company operating for money, and they make money through their ads and also pushing a very well planned, cohesive agenda. They say this about gays, they say that about the wars in Iraq, they say another thing about using weed as a medicine for kids, etc... And VICE was supposed to be a "more real, feet on the street" reporting agency.

[–]Alpacash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was that a Rich Piano reference to confuse the redpillers?

[–]TRPApprentice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

VICE has really gone down the drain

[–]TRP_Minor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was Vice always this shitty?

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