Red Pill ExampleStill have some doubt about TRP? Read the raw keylogs from my cheating ex-girlfriend following the moments after we broke up. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by ihaveameme


The day after my ex-girlfriend pretty obviously cheated on me, I installed a keylogger on my computer (which she uses instead of her own for some reason). I was expecting her to lie to me about it, and wanted to keep myself protected ("trust, but verify"). What you will read is the raw chat logs from her side of the conversation, with names/locations replaced.

These sucked to read, but I am posting them so that you see directly into the decision making of a woman I made the unfortunate mistake of trusting enough with a relationship.


Some context: About two months before this happened, I started as the first employee at a blossoming startup. As the first engineer as well, I spent the better part of my time focusing on getting the product designed and built, and not as much time on my girlfriend.

Before starting this job, we did discuss what my work-life balance was going to look like if I took this position, how much extra time and weekends I will likely need to spend working for the first 6 months, and how we will still fit in time for us. I wanted to be sure she would go along with this, and she concluded this would be a great thing for both of us (and she was very happy about my pay increase).

After I began the position and (as expected) my hours increased dramatically, my energy to be regularly intimate decreased. We went from daily sex to roughly once a week. Our dates slowed to once a week or less as well.

Now for the kicker: The few days prior to this, I came down with the flu, which was definitely exacerbated by work stress. I know its a trope to say women are turned off when men are sick, but this was apparently the straw that broke the cheater's back. Since I was sick, I was declining to go out drinking every weeknight with her and her coworkers (they had a company conference going on). And since I was refusing to go out this week, in her mind I "never want to go out anymore", and thus it makes sense to cheat and make up for the awful treatment I gave her.

She came home at 3:30 am thursday night, and it was obvious what she did (bars close at 2am here). In the morning I installed the keylogger, went to work, and started mentally prepping for how to deal with the situation (we lived together, so there were some logistics). As I expected, she used my computer to talk with me and all her friends about all of her thoughts on the matter. And so we have these logs.

You will be reading only one side of the conversations (its a keylogger), and additionally, she is having multiple conversations at once. It is fairly clear who she is speaking to, however:

> hey
> are you ignoring me?
> are you at work?
> any way we can talk tonight?
> should i leave the apartment?
> wtf is going on
> you won't even talk to me?
> i'm not going to lie i stayed out too late and i got too drunk and i kissed someone
> and i passed out in the hotel

Here she is speaking to me. Remember this bit here. This is trickle truth.

> i'm fuckingn lonely and habing a breakdown
> i feel so isolated in this relationship and honestly i don't know if i can handle it anymore
> and attempts to talk to you are shut down
> this entire year has been so frustrating and lonely
> i'm sorry
> i really do love you but i don't feel like we are cut out for this
> i love you
> but i am going crazy

She tries to shift blame to me.

> [ihaveameme] and i just broke up
> can you come home?
> can we talk?
> can we please talk
> can i call you?
> i just feel like this relationship is worth saving
> i know i did something incredibly wrong and i am sorry i am trying to make excuses
> i still love you
> yeah i cheated on him

You can see as she struggles to keep making up bullshit to save her meal ticket, and then just switches to her friend and gives her real feelings:

> i am kind of glad it's over
> he doesn't even want to talk about it, he's done
> i think i did this to blow it up bc i have been so frustrated

"I don't know why I do things" = a moment's feelings are her reality

> no just me
> idk where he is
> it's ok nah no right now
> i feel like i need to go somehwere
> i don't know, it wasn't working
> no it was a [company she works for] rep
> i cheated on [ihaveameme] and we broke up
> we weren't sleeping together anymore
> yeah i should not have done this
> but i'm glad it's over
> definitely moving out of [city]
> i just don't know what i am going to do
> i might go to [different city] for a little bit
> we*
> i'm kind of glad it's over
> i have tried to talk to him about this so many times
> this year has been so shitty

We talked about this twice maybe. Now it's many times. Women's memories of you change with their feelings.

> idk this is my fault
> but i was so unhappy
> yeah
> i should have done this months ago
> i was thinking about it
> at least once a week for months

This was the hardest to read. I don't wish this feeling on anyone. Cheaters are cheaters, and I should have known better. Don't date cheaters.

> yeah lol i have no idea what i am going to do with my life right now
> he makes excuses
> i feel really bad
> because he was going to see a doctor when his health insurance kicks in in a week
> but I was just done waiting

She couldn't even wait a week for me to see a doctor. Don't show weakness.

> honestly no
> it;s the lack of affection in general
> it's the fact that [ihaveameme] never wants to go out and do anything
> we don;t go out to dinner
> don't**
> we don't do anything

We do, but her memories of us doing things are gone now that her feelings are gone.

> it has been
> i was kind of dreading england
> i might still go for a week to see [her friend]
> frfrhey [ihaveameme] and i just broke up
> but i still have my ticket
> we are getting the money back for everything else
> i just don't like him anymore
> i think i still love him but idk
> who knows
> i'll get over this in like a month
> i have never not cried after a break up like this
> would it be ok if i came to see you for a week?
> yeah
> yeah
> you were right when you said [ihaveameme] does not deserve someone who has been as patient as i have been
> i should not have cheated but i waited so long for him to change

A couple weeks is "so long" apparently.

> it is
> it sucks
> but fuck it's easier than breaking up
> are you not happy with [my friend]?
> you will hate yourself less if you just break up
> but cheating is easier
> yeah just not compatible
> i hate to say it but now is the time
> he has a good job now right? hopefully he is in a better position for a break up
> i am like [my friend] and can understand if someone would not like that

Notice how she now switches focus on getting her friend to cheat on her boyfriend/my good friend. Women encourage this kind of shit to each other.

> maybe i will go back to school now that i can move away from here
> i was starting to hate [city we live in]
> i know, he is stubborn
> he is too stubborn to admit anything is wrong
> i hate that i did this to him but it was the easy fast way out
> there's nothing here
> i feel like i was staying at [company she works for] to stay with [ihaveameme]
> i know
> it happens
> yeah, it has been 2 months of this
> i thought i had invvested so much time and effort and was afraid to leave
> yeah i know
> those posts have been speaking to me lol
> idk i might still go to eurpoe by myself
> i have an old roommate who lives there
> yeah
> it sucks
> idk what your feeling are outside of that for him but even that is a valid dealbreaker
> yup
> he acted it wasn't like this in the beginning
> yeah i should
> i still want to go to england for a week to see [her friend]
> might be fun
> would probably help me foeget about this lol
> 'yeah
> i know i can't be with someone like [ihaveameme]
> i'm glad i am getting all the hotel money back
> yeah
> you are right
> yeah i thought it would be so fun living here with him
> 'i'm also glad i don't have a boyfriend who will never go out and do anything with me even though we live in a great area
> it was a battle trying to get him to do anything
> i just cried like 2 tears
> i can;t be that sad about this

She had moved on weeks ago, so naturally she can't be sad about this. Sometimes I think I was dating a sociopath.

> can't**
> ugh you know [ihaveameme] is a good person
> i feel awful
> but jhe will never be a good boyfriend
> i don't either
> but he is all about monogamy even if we aren't having sex

Yes, I am all about monogamy, because that's literally what a relationship is.

> i need someone more like me
> or i just need to be single lol
> better option '
> i can finally have sex more than once every  week
> and it will actually be good
> and someone will finally go down on me

And there it is. I wasn't fucking her as well as she wanted recently. Thus, the imperative becomes to seek out new dick.

> i am anxious because i am in the apartment alone but honestly this will be good for me
> i might make one right now lol
> JUST TO SWIPE just to swipe haha
> deadbedrooms
> ugh no i should look at places
> i might work at [company she works for] a little longer
> yeah i think it will be good
> i'll just find a new job and move somehwere else
> miface
> maybe
> it would be nice to move closer to home
> am also thinking about [another city]
> no it's ok jokes are good right now>
> jesus
> lol
> haha
> oh my god yes
> maybe someone will finally have anal sex with me
> he's not coming home tonigh
> idk if he is ok
> i might stay at a friend's house just to not be here
> i am a little sad but this relationship was dead
> no, not lately
> we were cute in college
> yeah
> had a way bigger dick
> i know that
> not to sound vain
> but i know lol
> aw
> send me cute dog pics
> yup
> i'm kind of glad i'll be able to move away from [city we live in]
> yeah yeah
> yeah he was visting from [different city]
> we went to the beach and made out
> then made out in his hotel room a and i touched his dick
> then i passed out, did not make it home until 3 am

This is trickle truth in action. Compare what she said to me at the top with what she says to her friend here. Trust, but verify (my verification was this keylogger). I'm surprised she lies to her friend here. Knowing my ex, there's no way she "just passed out". They fucked, but she doesn't want to look like a total slut to her friends.

> so obviously [ihaveameme] knew
> didn't speak to me this morning
> did not come home tonight

Because fuck you, we're done.

> it doesn't matter, i cheated
> [ihaveameme] does not want to be with me anymore
> he said he's cancelling england and giving me my money back
> and he is going to come back to the apartment to get stuff he needs
> i would rather not run into him so i am probably going to leave
> ugh
> i hate monogamy

Beware of the LTR

> it doesnlt work lol
> thank you, that sounds nice right now :)
> yeah maybe
> idk
> it's hard to say bc i have never tried that
> i asked [her friend] if i could still come see her for a week
> yeah idk
> i am not that jealous
> i would prbably get a little kealous but who knows

And yet, she still would be jealous of me dating another woman.

Pure, unadulterated hypergamy.

Lessons Learned

So many packed into one log. Here are a few:

  • Never show weakness
  • Fuck her well and often or she'll find someone who will
  • If her expectation of fucking often/well are different than yours (and yours will change with your situation), she will find someone else
  • Women do not care about your feelings. They only care about how they themselves feel, especially how they feel in the moment.
  • Cheaters are cheaters and will always cheat with you and on you. Never one or the other.
  • Your girlfriend's friends will not tell you she cheated. Your girlfriend's friends will help her cheat. Your girlfriend's friends will convince her its OK to cheat.
  • If you are younger than 30, don't move in with your SO

[–]2awalt_cupcake 138 points139 points  (24 children)

Women: "do guys honestly like girls with huge breasts? Ugh come on!"

Also Women: "oh yeah he had a way bigger dick"

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[–]Wheyman92 13 points14 points  (14 children)

I mean. I think I might be one of those guys who doesnt really care about size. Big tits, small tits, like em both. Big ass small ass, like em both. (the small ass does have to look good proportionally though, but im okay with my hand covering half of it) That might be similar to girls who say they dont care about dick size, but obviously dont want a micro penis?

All in all if I think a chick is pretty im gonna fuck her, dont care whats her race, height, whatever the fuck.

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[–]Wheyman92 10 points11 points  (6 children)

I mean, I'm sure penis size does matter to an extenet. I'm your average 6 inch dude.

My whole thing about dick size is that it is completely irrelevant in getting a chick for the first time. That is where 90% of the frustration with blue pill guys comes from, is being able ot land a girl. Your game and frame and charisma and looks are responsible for that, not your dick size. I got a boy with an 8 inch cock, shit is massive, but hes a scrawny little dude who I've never seen with a real attractive chick and who cannot readily approach attractive females and snag them.

When it comes to please women in bed, I've nver really had a problem with it. Passion, talking dirty, rough handling, and other bedroom tactics are more important imo than having 2 inches more. WHo knows, who cares. Either she cums or she doesnt, either way I'm going to. If she likes it she'll stick around, if she doesnt...again, who cares?

And no matter what, when youre with a girl, they will RAVE about your dick. When things end, no matter how bad or good it ended, they WILL talk shit about your dick because most men are so emotionally attached to it and their egos. They dont even care about the dick, they care about saying things they perceive will hurt you.

BUt yeah, growing your dick is cool bro lol ngl

[–]killer2538 1 point2 points  (4 children)

How did you go from 5.5 to 7? I'm actually curious

[–]KM31548 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah what routine did you use bro.

[–]marty2k 1 point2 points  (7 children)

A big dick doesn't matter too much for sex. Plenty of positions to make up for it. Motion of the ocean and what not. You can do some fun stuff with a bigger dick, but an average dick can do just as good a job with someone who knows what they're doing. And this is coming from a black dude.

What does matter is the visual. It's more threatening, more aggressive, more impressive, it lends itself to an alpha more than a beta. (Are there any studies linking testosterone to penis size? I'd be willing to bet money there's something there.) They expect alpha men to have big cocks, so in turn they expect men with big cocks to be alpha. Just like big tits have nothing to do with sex other than fun things to look and play with, a big cock just adds to the alphaness and a small one takes away from it.

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[–]Heathcliff-- 99 points99 points [recovered]

Read it all. Wow.

Anger phase reactivated.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 23 points24 points  (6 children)

I see no need to get angry. I've unconsciously known this since the 1990s when it was even easier to get chat logs.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 10 points11 points  (5 children)

anger is a raw emotion, I know logically getting mad does no good but it's still hard to avoid. I literally remind myself to take a deep breath with things like this.

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[–]perdill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

4-7-8 also great for falling asleep quickly.

[–]B_uckets 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Monthly reminder: Women will intentionally destroy a relationship just so they feel less guilty about cheating.

Exhibit A:

I saw, from experience, the damage that a hidden desire for someone else could do. In those cases, I’d become so obsessed with the temptation, and the fact that I couldn’t act on it, that I’d start to pick fights, and resent things that never bothered me, so I could justify my own inevitable terrible behavior (cheating).

Exhibit B:

He's a shitty communicator, but that's not unique. However, when I started having affairs, I was telling myself how horrible he was and how I'm not "meant to be with someone like him." I was justifying my affairs so I wouldn’t feel like a horrible person for not desiring him and wanting to have sex with other men.

If it seems like your girlfriend is trying to make both of you less happy, chances are she's up to no good. Start digging for evidence and/or packing your bags.

[–]beachbbqlover 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Part of hamstering/rationalization.

[–][deleted] 95 points96 points  (14 children)

i touhed <del><del><del><del>ched his dick then i passed out

"I touched his dick and then I passed out?" LOL, gold.

[–]jimjam80 51 points51 points [recovered]

She probably didn't even intend to touch his dick, but when she passed out, she probably fell in such a way that her hand just so happened to land on this guy's crotch. AND, it sounds like she didn't consent to this dick-touching, either. She should speak to the authorities and file charges for sexual assault.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Chaad de Thundercoque's dick was so powerful, one touch knocked her out cold.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oh God, if that wasn't so true it'd be really funny.

[–]DannyDemotta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If OP was a millionaire or came from money, she probably would file charges and make up a story.

"There was something in my drink." "Somehow we ended up at the beach and he was all over me" "I told him to take me home, but he said he'd tell OP what we did, and he drove to his hotel instead" "I just felt so pressured the whole time" Etc etc.

Very sad.

[–]SafeWordIsCommitment 53 points54 points  (3 children)

She's not lying. She touched his dick with her lower intestines is what she meant. After she was done, she passed out. She technically told the truth.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Oh god, this is too funny, shit there are tears running down my face from laughter.

[–]2wiseclockcounter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

guys, guys c'mon... OP is grieving over here.

But forreal OP, glad to see you're in proper fuck-that-bitch mode. I never went to such lengths to confirm my ex was cheating on me. Partly because at the time, I wouldn't have handled it well. But altogether, you just know. Fucking sucks though.

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[–]ChrisBenRoy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Goddamnit Jenny that whore!

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

curious case of chad poisoncock

[–]darkrood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just touched her pussy then I passed out?!

(Bar closes behind me)

[–]cheeky_throwaway101 63 points64 points  (7 children)

I know I'm late to the party here, but I just want to re-iterate everything this guy has said. An incredibly similar episode to this one ended my LTR of 8 years. OP you did an incredibly hard thing posting this on here, and for what it's worth it is greatly appreciated. This is a cast iron example of why LTR's do not work in todays world.

I'm tired of battling with the younger ones on here who seem to think being "Alpha" enough will keep your woman. It simply will not. Sometimes you have to experience shit like OP has for the truth to fully sink in.

I was with my ex for 8 years. But she got a new set of friends and within a couple of months, all it took was one of the girls who couldn't keep a man to say "Oh your man doesn't do a lot does he?" for my ex to cheat on me. At the time I was incredibly sick with Giardia poisoning and I was trying to start an incredibly demanding business.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (3 children)

AFAIK TRP advocates that she is never yours, it's only your turn despite how Alpha you are there will always be mistakes, things you can't control or just a better Alpha to go and fuck.

[–]cheeky_throwaway101 19 points20 points  (2 children)

This is exactly right, but I would argue not necessarily a more Alpha, but a better "deal". Someone with more money perhaps or just someone who she "perceives" as more Alpha. Of late I have been down voted whilst disagreeing with others who believe that they can marry and have a healthy marriage so long as they do a) b) or c).

It is of a far better mindset to acknowledge that it is just your turn, and whether she stays or goes will not rock you, as you are on your mission which is where you derive your value from.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

All women cheat, for a myriad of 1000s of different reasons. They aren't rational. Or loyal. Or monogamous.

We were never meant for monogamy, women were created for gang bangs. That's literally how we used to mate. Whoever had the longest dick and strongest sperm was the one who got to reproduce.

Sometimes you don't even have to be more alpha than her man, you just have to not be him and she'll fuck you.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This exactly. I'm downvotes constantly by faggots who think that if you're alpha enough your woman won't cheat on you or leave you.

[–]RealHumanHere 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Same. I was with the girl I thought was perfect.

She went to her country for a while, took her less than a month to cheat. She lied and lied about it.

I was her first (started in HS/College).

(Don't ask me how I got the convos) Day after I left her she got tinder, and was telling dudes "When we meet, I don't want to have sex, but Im sure you'll convince me anyway :P", all while telling me she never did anything and that she would never get Tinder, would never talk to a guy like that, would never blablabla..

This is common in women. It felt terrible at the time, but it was because I had met myself believe maybe she was different than the rest, which is a big mistake.

[–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only way to avoid is to cheat yourself or your simy restrctong options waiting for her to cheat

[–]Yozki 76 points77 points  (50 children)

Jesus christ, what an evil human being

[–]gonorealover 122 points123 points  (20 children)

All women are like this. They just hide it from the public.

Hurting a men's feeling is " LOL " to women . They take pleasure in breaking and destroying what you give them and what you build for them. This is their joy/pleasure. This is their goal in life. Competing against someone that you have no chance to win against ... then complain about it . They suck so bad in the job market and encourage each other to be as incompetent as possible . This is their career. The whole concept of being a woman is a huge pile of mess. There is no structure in their existence .

Feminism makes more sense when you finally understand the evil nature of women. They want to destroy the world created by men for absolutely NO REASON . Biting the hands that feed you .

By the way , they get worst once they pass 30.

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[–]2Bait4Me 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I know this is weird but how does change with sea horses where the male carries and gives birth to the young ?

[–]rockymountainoysters 7 points8 points  (1 child)

The female seahorses' sexual strategy involves procuring alpha cock and then finding a compliant beta to stuff her fertilized eggs into. Not having to deal with pregnancy means even more time for cock; AFSALT.

Alpha male seahorses get tons of tail but couldn't possibly fit all the eggs they've fertilized in their own pouch, so they rely on betas to help carry all of them.

[–]Adach 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I haven't read but I'd assume it was an objective lense and therefore a red pill one

[–]TheReformist94 21 points22 points  (8 children)

When they rub it in like this,I can't see why TRP doesnt advocates cheating and treating them like shit. They clearly don't care. What use is being a bigger man and having honour over such vile pieces of shit?

[–]CornyHoosier 22 points23 points  (7 children)

You don't need to break your word, that's just dishonesty. It's what this ex-gf of OP's did. Don't be her.

My friends ask me why I don't ever seem to have a girlfriend even though I seem to go on lots of dates. I tell them I just don't want to make a promise I can't keep.

I'm open and honest with people. The average woman doesn't care as long as they feel happy/good/safe around you. I've been pressed hard to get into a relationship and I have always declined. There was a really good line I read in a thread the other day on here. Basically, "Babe, I'd rather you be happy and not with me, than miserable with me."

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[–]CornyHoosier 15 points16 points  (1 child)

It's crazy to look back and think how much I wanted to get married when I was younger. No matter how hard a tried, I wasn't able to nice my way into that (and I certainly didn't have the confidence or looks to pull it off).

Looking back I was very dishonest with women and I was definitely harboring some deep inner-anger towards them for not wanting to date/marry me. I always crack a small smile when I see Red Pillers get labeled as manipulative, angry, misogynists. In actually TRP helped me let go of my anger and let me realize that women aren't "bitches" ... they're simply women acting in their own nature, same as I'm just a man acting in my own nature.

It's really our interactions with others that define who we are as individuals. Had OP realized sooner that taking time away from his girlfriend, not indulging her "feels", not have sex the way she enjoyed, that is what created a rift in their relationship. Her cheating on him without breaking up is what makes her dishonest. There is a difference in the two.

This is why I generally stay away from relationships. I'm not going to adapt my lifestyle. I spend far too much time focused on traveling/exploring, my music, art, camping/hiking, droning and technology; I have no time to invest in a relationship. However, if a woman wants to join me in doing those things, she is welcome to and we'd definitely have a blast doing them.

One little hint I picked up here on TRP that has done me well is that when I'm talking with a woman I am interested in getting to know better: I offer for her to join me in doing something, but I never ask her if she'd like do something. Don't ask questions! Live your life how you want, be happy and let others join your happiness if they'd like.

[–]Lyradex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This, this is the goal. I'm back in monk mode, after going about and experimenting with my improved state. I got a bit carried away, and while having fun, was turning into a total ass.

This is the goal. Easy, comfortable, self focused and fulfilled, then let it come and go as it does. ....is like the tides, you just can't explain it? Heh.

[–]AndreNowzick 2 points2 points [recovered]

Fuck that - there's no sense of honor if no one is following it. It's just proof that homo sapiens is a deeply flawed species and that human life should be wiped off the face of the earth. It would be better for the world as a whole given the amount of harm and damage we do to one another and other life.

[–]CornyHoosier 9 points10 points  (1 child)

You're a man. I can't force you to do a damn thing in your life.

However, as a man myself, I will judge the actions of others to decide if they are honest or not. If you made a promise or commitment to someone you should be an adult and stick to your word.

This entire thread is about a woman who broke her word. Maybe others are willing to look past that, but I am not. Civilization could break down tomorrow and be anarchy, but an honest person will always be an honest person.

[–]TheSelfGoverned 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They want to destroy the world created by men for absolutely NO REASON . Biting the hands that feed you .

Because they've lived their entire lives with an us [women] vs them [men] attitude. They were born into it, it is rampant among their female social circles.

TRP men are only now adopting this same attitude, because we've been emotionally, financially, and psychologically abused for decades.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Nah bro, women aren't evil. That's just nature, it's immoral brah"

[–]ihaveameme[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You don't know the half of it...

[–]alecesne 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Is that evil? I think that's the point of TRP. AWATW.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (22 children)

Jesus christ, what a female

FTFY. Women are evil, they will never love you. They're just amoral/immoral reproduction machines. All theyre good for.

[–]CornyHoosier 18 points19 points  (21 children)

You're in your anger phase. Harness the anger into something productive, such as bettering yourself.

Women are not evil ... women are women. Nature isn't evil.

[–]2wiseclockcounter 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I think this unwillingness to call women evil is either a misunderstanding of the word or more thoughtless lip-service paid to TRP's idea of embracing reality.

The definition of evil as I see it is the conscious will to inflict harm on another individual purely for the sake of personal enjoyment or benefit.

Just because the world is what it is, doesn't mean all words lose their meaning. The circumstance of reality doesn't dissolve every force of good and evil into some neutral haze of relativity. There is good in the world and there is evil. *I think women on the whole are far more willing to do things that are wholly unnecessary, disproportionate to the situation, and based on irrational aggressive emotions than men are. They will do bad things just because.

To people who are defending women's nature as not evil, we're not talking about the amorality of their mating strategy, "oh woe is me my ex swung branches for that buff dude, she's evil." We're talking, "my ex divorce raped me, made sure I couldn't see my kids, took my house, got me arrested, etc" kind of bullshit.

This sub is full of examples of bitches pulling their slut-crazed vindictive bullshit, in case you've somehow missed them in real life.

One of the mod posts recently appropriately warned against passivity in the guise of embracing reality. It's okay to recognize the evil in women. I would say it's even crucial.

[–]CornyHoosier 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe people can do immoral acts which can make them cruel, but I don't feel human nature can be considered inherently evil. I do think a person, through sufficient immoral action can be considered an evil-person. I certainly don't feel that is a passive thought either and is very black & white to me.

Evil: profoundly immoral and malevolent

[–]TheReformist94 8 points9 points  (1 child)

He is not in anger.they actively take the piss and enjoy inflicting psychological harm on men.its the resentment they harbour for betas. There's things that are in men's nature like fighting,killing and beating our wives,does that make it ok? If I said I beat my LTR I'd get condemned so don't give a free pass to women who psychological ly inflict harm on purpose.

[–]CornyHoosier 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hope for peace and stability in your life.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 6 points7 points  (6 children)

good and evil don't exist beyond concepts in our brains . . . in real world is it evil when a wolf eats it's prey, no. similar here. a female acting like their true nature.

[–]TheReformist94 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Ok cool.let someone stab your kid and rape your wife and mum so they become war brides. See how you stomach it. That's part of nature in war.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

I'm not. Yes women are women. But you can't deny that female nature is twisted and fucked up. You're right that there's no place for morality in nature.

[–]CornyHoosier 6 points7 points  (8 children)

But you can't deny that female nature is twisted and fucked up

I can and I do. It's no more 'twisted and fucked up' than male nature. TRP simply tries to help you understand and adapt to the knowledge of our nature and not the spoon-fed bullshit we hear all the time.

Women are not inherently evil, fucked up or any other negative adjective you want to use. Women simple are. The society that some Americans were used to (mom cooks, cleans and raises child, dad goes out to bring home the bacon) doesn't exist anymore (maybe it never did, I don't know).

TRP is here to give you insight on the current world. Whether or not you want to deem this "bad" or not is up to you. I simply see my world as different and that I need to adapt to my changing surroundings.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (7 children)

This is a lie. Female nature is MUCCCCCHHHH more fucked up than male nature.

[–]slimGinDog 6 points6 points [recovered]

I see what you're saying. When the rabbit is being chased by the fox, the rabbit thinks, "Man, this is fucked up." If the rabbit is caught, he'll still be thinking that as the fox eats him. The fox thinks that this is fucking tasty.

That is it and that is all. The fox does not think about how the rabbit feels. He doesn't give a shit.

I'm not trying to say you're prey or anything. I'm just trying to illustrate the total lack of any moral aspect. It just isn't there.

It's only fucked up when you apply your morals to it. Snakes, badgers, wolves, foxes, men, and women aren't fucked up. They just are that way.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just don't make the mistake of entering a relationship with the wrong expectations. The cunts game can be easily countered.

  1. Cheat to spread the seed
  2. Devalue her
  3. Lie to her
  4. Be repulsed by commitment

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (36 children)

Bro I understand what you're going through.

Basically you have to make a decision: do you want to be a serial monogamist, or an outcome independent non-monogamist?

If it's the former, which I will assume is the case, Coach Corey Wayne is your man. He advises on cheaters to a great degree. It is a question of values, and you can find out if a woman is one during courtship with some ease by just asking about previous relationships. More than likely, she will admit it at some point. My ex-unicorn was known to do it, and unfortunately for me it didn't come out until I was in too deep. Poor bastard marrying her has absolutely no idea what he's getting into.

If it's the latter, BlackDragon is your man. He preaches lifelong non-monogamy and that is the course I am taking. Married plate last night said if I wanted her all to myself I could have her...then I say I'm non-monogamous. Next thing out of her mouth?

"Well I might just have to go to X bar and get [guy she fucked before me] and fuck him." --- Shit test.

My response?

"Oh, okay, that's great! Have some fun, he could probably use a lay."

Possessiveness creates the hell, bondage, struggle, misery, drama, rules, etc. Freedom is attractive.

[–]ihaveameme[S] 13 points14 points  (35 children)

You know, I can see why the latter you mention is attractive, especially to people in the startup world. I've learned from a decade in startups that I only have so many hours in the day to get things done. It feels wasteful spending a few hours every day placating the neediness of a partner that lives with me, only to have them go toss the whole relationship aside for the next shiny plaything.

However, I'm not sure I can be as unattached as you with someone I'm intimate with. If I'm going to spend time with them, I'd rather just go all in until the relationship runs its course and we both move on with our lives (as happened here, albeit rather unfortunately).

[–]Lucillebluthtwo 11 points11 points [recovered]

Yeah, so, I'd put it to you like this - finding a decent human is hard, no matter the sex. I am a big believer that the past often is a good predictor of the future. Case in point - I was flown interstate by an almost billionaire last weekend. We had a couple of nice dates, etc. Date 3, I ask him how dating had been since his divorce (he divorced 5 years ago). Basically, he said that he usually gets bored after a year or so. The last one, a swedish model he met in monaco who gave up her job to move to another country to be with him, dated him for a year. A hot, normal chick, by his own account. But, she was quiet and didnt have many friends or hobbies etc. So, one day he gets her a ticket, ostensibly to see her parents. She calls him from Sweden enquiring about her return ticket and he tells her there isn't one. That little question saved me from months of effort - he easily could have dumped her ass, let her say her goodbyes and then been nice enugh to buy her a ticket. But instead, he deported her without her knowledge, after she'd given up everything to be with him. I don't care how rich you are dude - if you are cold as ice, NEXT! Basically, the point I'm trying to make is that character matters too, and the sooner you can find out someone's character before getting emotionally involved, the better...

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 2 points3 points  (8 children)

do you mean he just should have been honest with her and said he wanted to break up?

[–]Lucillebluthtwo 5 points5 points [recovered]

More like, there were probably red flags about her character early on or he never asked the right questions early in...

[–]ihaveameme[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

You have a really good point. After this happened, my brain, as they all do, go into overdrive processing the how and why and all that. That process trudged up a lot of memories of flags I definitely should have seen, but you know what they say about hindsight.

The good news is I think this was the farthest on the shitty person spectrum I can go.

[–]Lucillebluthtwo 3 points3 points [recovered]

One thing that sounds really strange, but works for me is this idea of individual parts reflecting the whole. The first time you meet someone, it's best to try and be as observant as you can. Even small actions and thoughts reflect their subconscious desires. People can't hide what they really are; it comes out in the most strange of ways and at unexpected moments. Over time, the more you focus on being observant, the better your pattern recognition gets. The smartest thing you can do is build a strong repoire with someone - the more they see you like them, the more willing they are to "be" themselves. In the end, you wanna like someone for the person they really are, not the masks they wear. Works for both sexes. And it saves you time in the long run...

[–]FAwhy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What were some of the red flags that you missed?

[–]Benny757 2 points3 points  (9 children)

I actually appreciate comments from women here on this sub because it provides prospective to the commentary. It also enforces one of the teachings on Red Pill which is that women simply "love" differently than men. Men in the blue pill age have been educated and indoctrinated into a false sense of biological psychology. Women, have organized, were successful at it, and have changed the dichotomy of the modern relationship between men and women. In the US, it is not for the better, because we still live in a very volatile world, and bad things, broad scale can and will still happen. Then everybody is up shit creek.

Reminder of history lessons here. The books and web are crammed full of bad shit happening. It's just a matter of time. Humans deal in war, poverty, famine, plague, disaster, and catastrophe.

The one thing I'll criticize about Lucille's post. Immediately she focuses the factual situation on her being flown interstate by an almost billionaire. Again the sense of AWALT mentality. Is billionaire boy any better? Of course not. But he ain't posting on here.

And so I ask about the Swedish model. What did she have to offer this boy of yours, financially or otherwise? He bought her ticket home to her parents. Noble of him. Why does he owe her anything? Why can't she owe him? She wants equal rights. Let her have them. I mean, it's the perfect argument for feminism. She goes home. He doesn't owe her shit.

[–]Lucillebluthtwo 2 points2 points [recovered]

It wasnt the going home part. Bad relationships should have an expiry date. It was the premeditation - the decent thing to do would have been to tell her she was dumped and then send her home rather than deport her without her knowing. Especially seeing she was a decent person, according to the dude himself.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (6 children)

Every man who keylogs his bitch is forever unplugged. This is how you get to really know who she is

[–]RealHumanHere 13 points14 points  (4 children)

So much this, this saved my fucking life man.

The woman I thought I'd marry, I was her first in HS, she looked perfect. One day I wondered why she never had any convos with guys in Whatsapp when she came to my place. She deleted them beforehand.

I may or (may not) have gotten a keylogger then. And damn fucking hell, she was telling these guys the same things she said shed only tell me: "You're the hottest guy I know", "You can convince me to do anything (meant sexually)", etc.

It was the hardest moment, when I swallowed the RP. She turned out to be a nasty, horrible person, but she was great at pretending to be a good girlfriend. She was insanely good at pretending to be a good girlfriend, remember this. I could've never have guessed this, she cooked everyday, she made tons of sacrifices.

IT NEVER IS like they show you. You never get to know a woman until you read her keylogs, no matter how good you think you know them, believe me.

[–]Ozymanberg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How did you get a logger for her phone?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not only do they pretend to be good girls but plugged in men convince themselves of the girls purity while willfully ignoring all red flags that indicate otherwise. Thanks for sharing that

[–]audscias 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amen to that. Then it's when you discover what your "princess" is made of.

Hint: It's never anything good.

[–][deleted] 80 points81 points  (51 children)

The cold, harsh, undesirable, and honest truth of the OPs post is that an LTR today is self delusion.

If I lived in a world where men could order a blowjob from a Columbian HB10 from a smartphone with two clicks, id never commit to a woman again no matter how hot or smart she is.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and in an LTR females have absolute social and personal power.

Go ahead men, enforce your boundaries! Put your foot down! Tell the girlfriend who's boss. She'll be riding a richer, bigger, and more compliant dick before sundown.

My personal philosophy; women are like drinks from a vending machine.

You get thirsty, you put in X dollars and get Y drink. You drink the drink and move on with life. Sometimes the machine gliches and you get 2 drinks for the price of one. More often, you put in your money and don't get shit.

Regardless of how you got your drink, what you don't do is commit to the fucking spent can.

[–]B_uckets 41 points42 points  (0 children)

in an LTR females have absolute social and personal power.

I don't agree. In any relationship, the person who cares less has all the power.

That's why Patrice O'Neal always said something like "The perfect relationship is one where the woman loves the man, but the man only likes her."

[–]103342 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I follow your philosophy 100%.

enforcing boudaries, and "training" your woman (besides being a lot of work) rarely pays off. It is stupid also because A LOT of them are damaged from the start.

I still enjoy women and all. I love sex and pussy, but I'm not commiting to one. I know what goes on on the other side and it is not pretty at all.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I follow the same. LTRs aren't worth the time, effort or energy. All women are sluts, destructive, sociopathic, incapable of love or empathy for you. They're not faithful, loyal, interesting, you can't have actual conversations with them, you can't trust them. What the fuck are they useful for besides sex or kids! Why woul you care about a creature like that?

Fuck em, dump em. Use em, abuse em, lose em. Move on.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (41 children)

So you agree that its idiotic for men, redpill especially, to do LTRs? Do you believe all women cheat?

Women are hypergamous, pretending to be monogamous. Men are polygamous, but we're capable of monogamy.

My mind set on women is : Use it, Abuse it, Lose it. Fuck her till I'm tired of doing so, get rid of her, get another. Monogamy and relationships are a joke. Women are not loyal. I'm content with fucking sluts forever honestly. Women just want to be used and abused, and I'm perfect for the job.

[–]gonorealover 23 points24 points  (38 children)

Women are not loyal.

They are children . They shouldnt even have half of the rights they possess . A dog is more reliable than a woman .

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Children born with gold between their legs.

Their curse is they are blessed with all their assets right out of puberty but lack the maturity to wield it properly.

Men earn just about all the assets they associate themselves with, good or bad.

[–]NotUpToAnythingGood 12 points13 points  (6 children)

Seeing this makes me glad that I have the woman I do in my life. Yes, I'm married but she takes care of me. If I'm sick, she makes sure I'm taken care of to get well quickly. She insists that I have my own space and hobbies (her words: that allows you to be more you, which I like)

I'm not saying she couldn't do the things like happened to the OP but continued, demonstrated, increasing value presented to a worthwhile woman and she's far more likely to stick around.

Hell, she drove 10 hours one way just see me over the weekend because I'm on work travel.

The problem? Worthwhile women are few and far between nowadays.

The above said, I've seen similar behavior (OP's ex-LTR) from a plate as well as hearing about it from friends who didn't see it coming. It's all painfully obvious knowing what I do now.

Not much to do except enjoy the decline (such as it is) and protect yourself.

[–]ihaveameme[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This was a really shitty person. Sounds like you're married to a not shitty person, so your odds are much better than mine could have ever been.

I wish you luck!

[–]NotUpToAnythingGood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!

She's a traditional sort of woman. Her parents grew up in the early '40s. Her family is a military family. As a whole they take the concepts of Honor, Commitment, and Honesty seriously. Very similar to my upbringing.

That's not to say I've never seen many of the behaviors we attribute to AWALT. I have and it's typically over little shit that is inconsequential.

Her only requirement of me is that I take care of her and the kids. Beyond that, I can do whatever I want. Which is her saying she wants a solid provider and someone who makes the panties wet. I do that for her.

I can rely on her to run things when I'm not around. We live the Captain & First Mate roles. It helps that we were both US Navy so we get what it means to have / fill those roles.

I'm with many of the guys here though. Marriage is a bum deal nowawdays. I wouldn't recommend it because it's easy to screw things up. The marriage industry being set up to encourage bad behavior and screwing people over does NOT help at all. I've got a good one and the fact that I stumbled into it as a clueless schlub when I was 20 years old still amazes me.

Too many women today are of the mindset "What's in it for me?" instead of "What's in it for us?"

[–]RealHumanHere 2 points3 points  (1 child)

My woman was like that, hell, even better. I got her keylogs once, she was cheating.

You should never ever let your guard down, I've been with a good number of women, and I could've never ever expected her to be the cheater type, I even was her first. It never is like you think it is.

[–]NotUpToAnythingGood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm the network admin in the house. I also manage our cell phones.

I've seen nothing unusual or anything that would raise any alarms.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

do you provide her with all the sex she needs

[–]NotUpToAnythingGood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, I do. She gives me enthusiastic sex pretty much whenever I want. I generally want it more than she does.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Iron Rule of Tomassi #4

NEVER under any circumstance live with a woman you aren’t married to or are not planning to marry in within 6 months.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

NEVER under any circumstance live with a woman you aren’t married to or are not planning to marry in within 6 months.

FTFY. Living with any female is horrible.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I guess Rollo didn't want to exclude ltr and married guys from his base

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 154 points155 points  (9 children)

Come on man... trim out the crap or highlight the good bits... we're all busy people here.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 83 points84 points  (3 children)

Here's some highlights for me.

you will hate yourself less if you just break up but cheating is easier

Women are both mentally and physically weak. They have no moral code because they're too mentally weak to enforce one upon themselves. This is why they require firm leadership from a man.

i hate that i did this to him but it was the easy fast way out

Women are conflict avoidant and lazy.

but he is all about monogame <del><del>y even if we aren't have<del>ing sex

Women feel entitled to high quality sex without effort. They see it as the man's responsibility.

i might make one righ <del><del>t now lol JUST TO SWIPE

And straight onto Tinder. Women get dick so easily, it's not remotely impressive. I like to compare her first date with a new guy with the guy's first visit to the gym... because they're about similar levels of ease after a breakup.

maybe someoe <del>one will finally have anal sex with me

There are no words.

a little sad but this relato<del>ionship was dead

Light switch.

yeah had a e<del>way bigger dick i know that not to sound vain but i know ll<del>ol aw

This is just funny.

send me cute dog pics

Are you still taking women seriously?

so obviously [ihaveameme] knew didn't speak to me this morning :<del><del>LOL did not come home tonight

Because causing emotional pain to a man she sees as weak is funny to her.

This really is pure distilled feels-led hypergamy. It's worth reading the whole thing to remind yourself what's really going on.

[–]ihaveameme[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

And straight onto Tinder. Women get dick so easily, it's not remotely impressive. I like to compare her first date with a new guy with the guy's first visit to the gym... because they're about similar levels of ease after a breakup.

That is a great analogy.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 68 points69 points  (0 children)

Too be fair the subject matter isn't the easiest to edit.

[–]ihaveameme[S] 29 points30 points  (2 children)

I'm not sure of a good way to annotate the log--a lot of the RP insight comes from context. For example, her attitude switches 180 between talking with me and with her friend ("this relationship is worth saving" vs "I'm glad this is over" type stuff a few lines down)

Edit: Updated it with annotations, hopefully it's more readable now.

[–]DownvotesCatposts 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's all frame control. Everything is positive for her. She "tried to save the relationship" but then when you never came home "was glad it was over". How terribly convenient.

[–]Wel108 9 points10 points  (0 children)

She doesn't love you. She does not love you. She loves the way you make her feeeeel.

Gotta own your shit bro. Sounds like you had a bad one though, she was almost bragging. You're the man for putting that key logger though, that shit helps with the male hamster.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (9 children)

You reduced the time spent with her and stopped giving her the amount sex she wanted. If the roles were reversed, we would tell you to next her.
The shitty part isn't that she decided to get action elsewhere. The shitty part is that she didn't dump you first.
Lesson learned
If you stop fucking her and stop paying attention to her then she'll either be unhappy or she'll find someone else.
All the rest is conflict avoidance and ego protection from both of you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 19 points20 points  (0 children)

While I agree with the mindset, he gave her an easy out before he took on the extra workload. He said this is how it's going to be. She had every right to say "no, I want more in a relationship" but we all know that takes courage that most women will never have. She saw the bigger paycheck so kept the mask on.

The mistake was assuming this woman (or most women for that matter) have the mindset to think about consequences of the future. She'd rather be a slut and destroy everything violently than pull a bandaid quickly at the beginning. Hell, even just sitting the man down and breaking up with him, no matter how selfish the real reason, is far more honorable than going the slut route.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

exactly thats one of the few points of redpill im really not sold on. If you neglect your women she will leave. The same way and alpha would leave if she neglected him. Not all but a lot of stories of hypergamy on rp is about a women being neglected and just like an alpha male would, goes look elsewhere. Than guys on redpill start hamstering omg awalt this awalt that. Its important to look from the womens perpective , it helps you see why she does certain things, IMO guys and girls are much close behaviour wise than redpill puts out.

Contrary to what many guys are saying here , stop rationalazing that shes shitty and view youre behaviour that caused the consequences.

This is on you op.

[–]idgaf- 35 points36 points  (2 children)

I agree, sounds like OP dropped the ball in the relationship. Maybe he went in with BP expectations of stability and loyalty. The woman just wanted to be fucked well, often, and in the ass. They are simple creatures, in a way.

Lessons learned:

Fuck her in the ass.

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[–]burkhart722 4 points5 points  (1 child)

This guy sees the whole picture.

[–]thesixace 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was seeing half of the picture until this post. I will utilize this lesson going forward.

[–]Temptationn 9 points10 points  (3 children)

What program did you use to get this? I'd like to install it on my girlfriends mac

[–]tb87670 13 points14 points  (1 child)

First of all show that log to your friend that your ex-bitch was attempting to convince her friend to cheat on your friend. This woman is up there on the evil-scale. Of course don't do this to hurt her, that is a weak move. Merely do this to help fellow man who also happens to be your friend. This woman is literally going out saying 'it's wrong but cheat because it's quicker way to end things'.

She takes all the AWALT rules that we usually amplify and exaggerate a little to make a point (most women are not that bad, varying degrees, AWALT is a safety measure) and she actually lives it out just as prescribed here. Don't feel bad. This woman, she will not be able to pair-bond. She will be miserable. Ever eat a good meal then forget about it a day later? That's how sex is with women, it's not as much of a big deal for them. Don't sweat it, she's going to be unhappy with the guys who won't commit to her and the betas who do commit she will be unhappy with them too. Cheating mentality is set in, she won't have a stable relationship ever again and this is what women desire most is the commitment of one man they deem alpha. Every time the horse drinks the well goes dry kinda of thing.

Focus on yourself, you dodged a bullet like it was in the Matrix. Imagine if she was able to take money from you legally? A woman like this would have divorce raped you so hard. Live and learn, hope the pain doesn't last long for you.

[–]ihaveameme[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Way ahead of you on showing it to my friend. The first thing I did after I read this was send him a copy and told him that I'd want him to do the same if he ever came across something like that.

I was told he confronted her about it. They're still together, so it's on him at this point.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 16 points17 points  (5 children)

I only have one thing to add..

The one a cheater always a cheater thing, yeah every girl is a cheater. No matter what you think, she will cheat without a second thought with only opportunity and plausible deniability. Then she will say she has been looking to break up for a long time, and blame it all on you.

If you think otherwise, then you don't have enough experience. Wait for it, you'll see.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Definitely a little chaotic to read that whole thing but the message is clear. That shit is fucked.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Additional lessons learned:

  • Treat your career as your mission and women as a hobby or weekend entertainment.

  • She's not yours, it's just your turn. Treat relationships as short term rentals not open ended commitments.

  • Women are stupid as shit when it comes to technology. Who uses a guy's computer to cheat on him?

[–]prodigy2throw 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Nothing sadder than a thirsty woman...

[–]1rife_omeqa 10 points11 points  (0 children)

She's not evil or crazy or a despicable human being as some posters in here are claiming.

She's a woman and women gonna women. AF/BB isn't just a handy catchphrase to describe a Chad and a beta. It's a name given to the phenomena that women classify all men as Alpha Fucks or Beta Bucks. Those classifications exist to all women because that's what all women need. That's why it's universal and now, a cliche.

It doesn't sound like OP and her had an untenable relationship or ran into serious problems from a personality standpoint. There was no mention of aggravations, privations or fighting. She was just bored.

She touched another guys dick, probably with the inside of her belly button, but the bottom line is she sought Alpha Fucks tingles from someone other than OP because OP wasn't providing that to her, for whatever reason.

Expect women to always be faithful to themselves and thus their needs. One of those needs is a good dicking on the regular. Either provide that or expect someone else to.

[–]FeeFeeFeaster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you are younger than 30, don't move in with your SO

Of course, if you ignore this advice and do that before 30 anyway, you'll learn your lesson early and be able to live the rest of your life in peace and on your terms.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't understand keylogging obsession. She has cheated - break up, move on. You have shit to do.

Also you show weakness not when you were sick with flu but when you start to persuade her about your new shiny engineering job

'we did discuss what my work-life balance was going to look like if I took this position' - this is bullcrap. You supposed to say 'I'm going to do this. You either get over it or get the fuck out'.

Also you obviously let yourself down again when you start thinking that 'I was too weak, pressure is too high, we moved to sex 1 a week'. There is nothing hard in fitting your dick inside someone else vagina. It relieves stress too.

Obviously you assumed beta role in your relationships thats how you increased you chances of being cheated at. The actual cheating is just a matter of time in your circumstances. And finally the moment happened.

Don't be a pussy next time. Nobody will cheat on you. Or if they will - you fucking beat the shit out of them with your hands and legs.

Be a man.

[–]NietzscheExplosion 12 points13 points  (4 children)

because he was going to see a doctor when his health insurance kicks in in a week

Sorry off topic (eat me):

I'm no commie, but thank Tommy Douglas for the FREEDOM Public health care provides. I can move jobs here in Canada , quit jobs and no employer can ever really have the kind of hold over me that they SEEM to in the states. Fuck the government yup, but FUCK Insurance companies in the worst way possible.

[–]ihaveameme[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Welcome to America, where I could have paid out over 1200/month through COBRA to hold on to my past insurance for a few months waiting for the new one to come. Fuck that, I'm in fine enough shape.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm obviously biased, but I agree with you. I'd make more money in the USA, but I don't think could work in that system.
But yeah, pretty far off-topic.

[–]RMK24 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Man, some of you guys date the dumbest chicks ever.

[–]Profdiddy 4 points4 points [recovered]

Another flag that should have been picked up: a woman in a transitional phase of life. Yes, solipsism and hamstering always but it kicks into hyper drive during these periods. You have a girl towards the end of college? Expect the branch swing. A girl in a shitty office job? She's dreaming of road tripping and the cock carousel. She just got her first career job? Branch swing incoming! As an old "arch bush hound" I have seen all of these. If you are going to LTR, don't do it with one of these bitches. They always want more and feelz before reelz but don't make it harder on yourselves.

[–]AlerioX 9 points10 points  (8 children)

Because of the 'keylogger' part of the story I just remember how my exgirlfriend installed Remote Administration Tools on the PCs of her friends while they were showering or doing other stuff, then she went over and we downloaded nude pics from those friends.
We were like Bonnie & Clyde.
I also had several nude pics + blowjob videos of her.
Then came the day when she told me I should delete everything because of 'safety purposes' ("what if you get hacked and all this stuff can be found on a pornsite?? delete it!!")
Just three weeks later she broke up.
And I was like "Damn, should have made a backup."
She was so good at sucking...those vids were legendary.
Remember guys: Never delete nudes of your ex (and her friends).
Those pics and vids can be useful somehow someday.
Now I always record the fucks with a hidden action cam.
Also makes me feel more safely when it comes to false rape charges.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

My uncle is a lawyer and one of his client is serving 10 years because of that shit. He drunk texted after break up and threatened to upload their consensual vids but it being consensual didn't hold up in court.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 1 point2 points  (3 children)

he got 10 years for a drunk text threatening to do it, not actually doing it?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

yup. police cloned his hard drive and there were tons of photos and videos and on some of them she was clearly drunk and wasted. Long story short the prosecutor charged him with rape + taping + blackmail. I'm not defending the guy anyway, it's not worth to fuck your life up over your ex's videos and photos. Go watch porn I'm sure it would be better and safer.

[–]Owenh1 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yeah, good luck with that, because non consensual recording of sexual partners IS a crime, and you can and will be fined and put on the sex offenders list... Some people in here are retarded. Do you watch all those 'hidden cam' porn videos and think ooo that's so hot? Sorry but every girl knows they are being recorded in them. I feel sorry for those people, who have been recorded by you, only knowing that all it would take is a phone call to the police to get a creeper like you arrested and registered.

[–]1Su-Wu_Red 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry to hear this bro. But long term, you dodged a bullet. Over time she would have sucked the life out of you, and not in a good way.

Also, just outta curiosity, you turned her down when she offered anal?

[–]Chris_Phoenix 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This shit right here is why we're all checking out of relationships. Thank you for the post, it was insightful and nice to take my daily dose of TRP lest I start forgetting that they really are all like that

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this, it's exactly what I needed to hear. Today I have started to truly internalize the "all women are sluts" mentality. Sorry it had to happen to you but we can all learn from this.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

You forgot some more lessons learned: Women don't truly like monogamy All women cheat Never trust a woman Never love or care about a woman

[–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Women don't truly like monogamy

Very broadyly stated, women love your monogamy, if you are the apex alpha and other women hate them for having a monogamous apex alpha. Otherwise, they are okay with to accepting your monogamy, if you are anything less than than apex alpha, and they see your monogamy as a necessary precondition to them sticking around, for now...until something better comes along. But their monogamy? Well, that is a commitment that can be revoked as and when it suits them.

TLDR: Briffault's law.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ouch. I feel your pain brother. Just keep breathing, keep working, and wait till the next one hops on your dick.

[–]CrazyTom54 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Annnd the reason why she was still using your computer to speak with others after you broke up was because???

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 1 point2 points  (0 children)


Holy fuck.

Not surprised.

Never getting married or having kids.


Fucking hell.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am relieved. That wasn't as bad as I expected.

[–]yldwhisper 3 points4 points  (0 children)

jesus fucking christ the similarities to my own ex ltr just fucking infuriate me, mind you I was completely blue pill and she walked all over me - guess Im still in the god damn anger phase one year after swallowing this grim ass trp reality.

Especially the part where they 'convince' themselves you no longer do shit together - that struck close to home. They warp their own minds so much they start believing the bullshit. Whatever makes them come out as the good guy, and you the absolute scum of the earth. Anything to justify their little hamster.

Fucking women, AWALT proven time and time again

[–]Readinglevelup 2 points3 points  (7 children)

So, can we talk about how to avoid this situation? This might not be popular on TRP, but eventually, I want to get married and have kids. Since marriage is TRP on steroids, I think we should talk about how to handle LTRs and wives a bit. Instead of pointing out the terrible things that can happen in LTRs (not saying you posted this to complain). I've seen a few posts about some dudes getting sick and then their LTRs would cheat on them. But nobody talks about how to avoid this from happening (the solution doesn't seem easy to figure out, I admit).

So, essentially what happened here was that you got a job that required lots of hours and at one point you got sick, which made you seem weaker in her eyes. What do you do to avoid this? Act like you aren't sick or tired and give her the same attention you gave before you got your new job? I haven't put too much thought into it, but I'll think about it. Anyone else have any idea on how to avoid OPs fate?

[–]thisornothing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just wouldn't ever look to get seriously involved with a woman for more than a few months.

It's not worth it. AWALT.

[–]hennyhendrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shit that is rough man. These hoes ain't loyal.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

OP, what was the name of the keylogger you used?

Sucks about what happened - the lack of any real remorse or responsibility is what gets me. Her biggest concern is what vacation she'll take next - pretty disgusting.

[–]kalo_asmi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's the only thing I want to know. OP, which keylogger was it? Some keyloggers can't be completely hidden. Others come from suspicious sources, might be botnet bait. Specifically I need one that works across Windows accounts.

[–]Mudpielol 1 point2 points  (0 children)

downvote me to hell, but being in a monogamous relationship with someone and having sex once a week? fuck that, I'm out.
Which she could have done, but she didn't.

[–]Dookiestain_LaFlair 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Canceling England? The Mohammedans already did that for you.

[–]lynxlynxebin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you guys know any legit keyloggers for this purpose? Would be nice if some advices about it be posted.

[–]KartagoPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow she said different things to you than friend. jesus fuck

[–]Lashlarue123 1 points1 points [recovered]

This is all generally correct. This is another lesson on always keeping one foot out the door and training your woman. However, the negatives are significantly pronounced when you date masculinized, particularly western women. My advice would be to find a sweeter, more caring, feminine girl who is less of an anglo-cunt. And of course keep improving. When a ltr plate is spinning away from you, best is to let it go like youve done.

[–]RealHumanHere 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dated an virgin Indian girl thinking exactly like you.

She turned out to be the same or worse. Women are women, genetics are genetics.

[–]Venenarium 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry to hear that man, it must be really hard for you right now, even so considering the amount of work you have to deal with.

Stay strong brother! The red pill always internalizes itself through hardship, but you'll come out stronger! Try to think about what you've avoided instead of what you've lost, which, as you'll realize over time, wasn't that much.

[–]Gigandeth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On the last point. Never move in. Doesn't matter if you are over or below 30. Even worse if you are over 30 because you have way more shit to lose.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy fuck that is despicable.

[–]hyugafan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus, that must have sucked to read through. Go down to the pub with some buddies and grab a beer. And thank the lord you weren't married to the bitch.

[–]EnlightenedViking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This reads exactly like my ex.

Congrats for moving on from this one

[–]LeftShark86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry you had to go through this man. She lies to you. She lies to her friends. She lies to herself. It doesn't matter if things are perfect or terrible. She's shit and will act like shit regardless.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God damn it I'm angry again. This comes at a good time as I feel infatuation towards a girl (got another girl lined up for this weekend to try remove the oneitis).

Heartless bitch your ex was, OP. Go lift heavy weights, succeed at your startup and fuck that bitch. She's probably a 4/10 compared to the other girls you're about to meet!

[–]lakalahehe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My one alternative hypothesis to TRP AWALT. Is that K selected women are different. uughhh... It looks so ridiculous.

If someone knows what I'm talking about, could use some input if you tested it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus fucking Christ... I'm gonna go to the gym.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck reading this made me cry a bit. Woman's true colours finally clicked in my head. Im all in TRP baby. Lets fucking go.

[–]Trail_of_Jeers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Love how it's never her. She fell out of love, or it's monogamy, or it's just two different people and she needs to explore her life.

[–]ithoughtyoudbemad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was there half a year ago, always questioned posting my logs and stuff but decided against it. Be enlightened and understand your path. Gl mate.

[–]Solitary_Wolf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

how do i install a keylogger on my own computer?

[–]TekkomanKingz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One of the most prophetic TRP posts ever, deserves being in the side bar.

[–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 0 points1 point  (1 child)

she was very happy about my pay increase

I know this differs country by country, but in my country asking someone how much they earn is incredibly rude. But in one of the Scandinavian country (don't know which one) it's absolutely ok, and people share it openly.

My point is, why someone shares this information with his gf?

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

in USA, not sure about Scandinavia, most guys have no good job and not much money, but if one does have a great job and pkenty of money, well it helps you in the ladies dept, why hide it. No I am not saying give the woman all your money or be stupid with it. But if you are an alpha, why hide it.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes I think I was dating a sociopath.

Welcome to dating women. Everyone's experienced the hot-->cold change like a light switch in no time flat the way women do. Just part of their psyche I guess.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I sometimes open these threads specifically to remind myself why I should never seek anything more than plates. This was a good dose of the old TRP.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reading all this just made things very clear. This entire chat log bottles down to one thing. Women approach relationships in a calculated way, the emotions she once may have felt will be gone one day- but Chads cock will always be there They don't give a shit about the relationship.

Thank you brother for sharing this. Hopefully you'll find all the power to end up the winner.

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