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Men's RightsVasalgel Donation Pledge (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by forcevacum

Vasalgel needs 103k more dollars to start the next steps of their trial. If 2% of our members on this sub (2% of 152k is 3040) could commit to 33 dollars to the cause they would be fully funded overnight.

I hereby pledge to send them that amount (even though I can't really afford it) and I'd urge you to do the same and comment below saying if you did. We really need this technology to give men back their reproductive rights. Together we could knock this out of the park. If you are a career driven man please consider giving back so future generations of men don't get the saddled with child support rape. It's probably the most beneficial thing you could do for our cause.

Here is the donation page- https://parsemusfoundation.secure.nonprofitsoapbox.com/donate

Here's the most recent news from their email campaign-

http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Vasalgel-Update--We-made-the-match---Cutoff-approaching-to-qualify-as-an-early-supporter.html?soid=1109766611768&aid=-6HqKz95sTY

EDIT BY REQUEST:

Vaselgel In summary- they inject your sperm tubes with a polymer that prevents sperm exiting into your semen.

If you want it reversed you inject a different polymer and it flushes the existing one out. In theory it's less painful and has less risks than a vasectomy and should be better because it's reversible.

Sperm is only 5% of your loads so the change is not noticeable and the process should not leave a scar. They've had good success in rabbit trials at making them infertile and now they want to test the reversal procedure.

Its a non-profit organisation (which blows my mind that someone like the gates foundation doesn't fully fund them, because the costs are low and the vision is clear, it's not like they are curing cancer)

UPDATE: After 12 hours 606 dollars have been pledged so far in the comments. If we could even make it to 1030 dollars it would be 1% of the remainder of what they need.

UPDATE AFTER DAY TWO: I've totaled $1092 pledged on this thread. Well done, keep it up we've reached 1% of the remainder of what they need. If you can donate please do.

UPDATE AFTER DAY FOUR: $1388 pledged on this thread.


[–]Modredpillschool[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (7 children)

Generally we don't sticky or even tolerate funding pages (especially since they can be abused), however Vasagel is a worthwhile treatment that could help men everywhere.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 132 points133 points  (8 children)

I look forward to seeing feminist blog posts about "How To Check Your Man For Vasalgel" and "My Boyfriend Had Vasalgel Done Without My Consent - Should I Ditch Him?" etc.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (2 children)

"My Boyfriend Had Vasalgel Done Without My Consent - Should I Ditch Him?"

Let's get someone into writing articles like those so these women can self-sabotage themselves out of our lives.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Perhaps we could provoke them into writing such articles by starting a "Vasalgel and don't tell!" slogan circulating.

[–]2Bait4Me 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She said she was on the pill, but "forgot it", she was wondering why I was smiling the whole drive to the shops for a test.

#No Vas-al-tel or #ImNotVas-Al-Telling

[–]causeandcorrelation 12 points13 points  (1 child)

There is plenty to be irate about without having to get angry about things that haven't happened yet.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'm not angry at all, just making predictions. It is easy because they're so damned predictable.

[–][deleted]  (1 child)

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    [–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I would love to see the court transcript of the hamster explaining why he owes her a baby and the money that would have gone along with it.

    [–]realrafaelcruz 90 points91 points  (3 children)

    Threw down $100. Did my part. Might also be worth posting in other subs like mensrights etc.

    [–]Senior Contributoradam-l 28 points29 points  (1 child)

    Men's Rights stickied it too.

    Nice to see TRP and Men's Rights joining efforts in this!

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    u/realrafaelcruz paid my share, too. Thanks man.

    [–]whateveridiot 56 points57 points  (2 children)

    Donate, now. Or you'll accidentally donate sperm later.

    [–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    That'd be a perfect advertising slogan.

    [–]randomkloud 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    You mean my Tabasco flavored sperm?

    [–]Betamax69 64 points65 points  (1 child)

    DONE. It is to late for me. Got my vasectomy 17 years ago after getting jammed with child support after divorce raped. If this saves even one of you from the family court system it is so worth it.

    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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    [–]Hexthorne 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Also threw $50 down - no kids and I don't want them for a while. Likely I'll have them by the time this product hits the market, but that doesn't bother me.

    [–]234-567 21 points22 points  (1 child)

    Just dropped 200. Can't wait for this to happen.

    [–]Red_Brain 38 points39 points  (1 child)

    I'm young, and make $11 an hour, here's $33.

    [–]2popthatpill 36 points37 points  (3 children)

    Can this post be pinned? We need to signal boost this. Donate to the war effort, guys!

    [–]forcevacum[S] 28 points29 points  (2 children)

    Since the purpose of TRP is:

    Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

    I think that Vaselgel is very strongly aligned with our values and I can't see why every update isn't discussed here with great interest.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It is. There's always a comment in threads about paternity.

    [–]redpillyoda 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    Donated 50 :)

    [–]FiveDelta 43 points44 points  (4 children)

    I'm in fucking college and I just donated. This is such a good program because it prevents you from getting any permanent body part cut/ severed.

    AND IT's 100% REVERSIBLE UPON CHOICE! My board-certified urologist can't wait for this to get FDA approved.

    Shut up and take my money.

    Edit: Good point by Mooshaq, it's probably 99.X% effective. It will be interesting to see what the difference is between Vasagel and Vasectomies....there is actually a big difference between 99.9% and 99.999999%. Each decimal could be hundreds of subjects, dependent on the volume.

    Edit 2: I donated $25

    [–]Mooshaq 17 points18 points  (2 children)

    Just a little nitpicking, but nothing in medicine is really 100%. If this does make it to market, there will be statistics and warnings and it will give some kind of number for failure of reversal as possible outcomes of the procedure. Granted it may be like 0.2% reversal failure but it's unethical to tell a patient that it's 100% guaranteed.

    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    It's the classic "Our cleaning product kills 99.9999% of bacteria, just in case we need to legally protect our ass"

    [–]randomkloud 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    actually, a lot of disinfectant or cleaning products cannot kill microbial spores. If you want 100% cleaning you'd have to sterilize it.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    AND IT's 100% REVERSIBLE

    Hopefully it will be. The trials so far show that it is irreversible in large primates. Humans have larger vas than other primates so there is hope the human trials will be more of a success.

    [–]RedDeadlift 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    Done. Donated $33. Thanks for the notification.

    [–]BlackSamKnight 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    College Student here, Just threw down $10, about the price of a box of condoms where I live. We need more control over our reproduction rights. No one deserves to be divorceraped over a broken condom.

    [–]TheIncredibleMrDarcy 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    I have signed myself up to be a test subject. Of selected I'll give the forum here some updates. 👌✌🎩

    [–]FiveDelta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Lucky. They are based on the West Coast right? I emailed and got a response saying there are no plans for East Coast testing this year at least.

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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    [–]FiveDelta 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    In life science software here. I think even with the crowdfunding it still takes so much time and money to get to market. I think the best thing happening is direct investments into biotech/pharma startups by Family Offices. Family Offices are uber rich ($30M+) single families or groups of families that invest, and when they do they usually do it long term and not for a quick turn around like a Venture Capitalist.

    One recent trend, is for families of high wealth to invest into a disease space that has historically affected their family. You know the Dolby Sound systems in most movie theaters/IMAXs? Well that family invests into Alzheimer's startups because Ray Dolby (founder) suffered from that. They care less about making a large return rather than making significant progress towards a cure.

    TL;DR: Super rich people, who have to hire CFOs to manage their assets are now investing into life science startup directly. MUCH better option than VC.

    [–]CryptoManbeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Would only be for a limited amount of products. In this case there's no money to be made for the injection since it's non-patentable plastic. But there is clearly a need and audience for the product as no reversible vasectomy exists today.

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    I donated $50 to their campaign months ago. Godspeed.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Wasn't sure if to make the donation in memory of all the men that got divorced raped or in honor of the men trying to make a level playing field.

    Regardless, donation made.

    [–]whateveridiot 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Donated when they first announced the fund raising, will donate again. Shame it's donations and not equity in the company, I'd invest $10,000 easily.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I wish we would do a drive like this for http://www.foregen.org/.

    [–]double-meat-fists 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Could only do $10. Wish I could do more.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    The godking has donated $10.

    [–]phil619 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Donated 11. I f every member of this sub donated $1 they would even have extra for the well deserved beer of saving men everywhere

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    I donated $0 to Bernie. Match me!

    Fuck it I donated $25, it's probably throwing money into a giant pit, considering I have a referral for a vasectomy here, but so is the rest of what I spend money on.

    [–]frys180 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This'll make Bernie supporters laugh :D

    Also I matched you and raise!

    This will be a godsend for me. I hate condoms and would much prefer this over rubbers that reduce sensation.

    [–]trptwerp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I can't wait until I can donate. By the time I'm old enough, this stuff is probably still going to be on trials. And by the time its done, the apocalypse would be near.

    [–]tubulardude 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Also donated $33. This is truly a great and under-appreciated cause. Everyone who can afford to donate should.

    The fact that they have already proven that this medical technology works in smaller mammals is, to me, huge, and really makes me question why the B&M Gates Foundation isn't taking notice. (https://www.parsemusfoundation.org/contraceptives/vasalgel/peer-reviewed-publication-rabbit-study-results/)

    [–]FreeRadical5 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    This could not happen sooner. Donated 50.

    [–]michael6795 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Donated 33. Looking forward to seeing this during my lifetime

    [–]TheRedStoic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Sent this thread to my bros. We'll be skipping our monthly blast out and donating the avg cost instead. Thanks for the update. Pretty sure even some of the women who come will donate too.

    You should really be doing updates on this whenever there's improvement. Some of us just forget it's happening.

    [–]TekkomanKingz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I have donated today. Let's get this moving.

    [–]1Rumble_in_the_Jungle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Donated $25. Let's keep this going.

    [–]QQ_L2P 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Donated $50. Even if I'm too much of a schlub to use it right now, other men might find a use for it.

    We flat out need this.

    [–]Master1176 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Just threw down $50. Great cause!

    [–]1whatsazipper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I donated $10 a moment ago. Another small nudge forward. I've been a steady contributor to the project.

    [–]meanwhile_in_SC 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Donated.. With that sweet sweet bitcoin

    [–]MasterRoshi21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    My indebted ass just threw in $33.

    [–]Zander_aq 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Gave 10. Hope I get to see it available in my country in 10 years.

    [–]PoorlyTimedPun 5 points6 points  (17 children)

    You might want to talk about what the hell this stuff is. I went to both the pages linked and can't really figure it out. Long lasting non hormonal male contraceptive? In the form of what? I can't be bothered to research this, but if it could actually do what they say they really shouldn't be struggling to get 100k in funding.

    [–]forcevacum[S] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

    I've written emails to their marketing department about the lack of clarity on their website.

    In summary- they inject your sperm tubes with a polymer that prevents sperm exiting into your semen.

    If you want it reversed you inject a different polymer and it flushes the existing one out.

    In theory it's less painful and has less risks than a vasectomy and should be better because it's reversible.

    Sperm is only 5% of your loads so the change is not noticeable and the process should not leave a scar. They've had good success in rabbit trials at making them infertile and now they want to test the reversal procedure.

    Its a non-profit organisation (which blows my mind that someone like the gates foundation doesn't fully fund them, because the costs are low and the vision is clear, it's not like they are curing cancer)

    [–]FiveDelta 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Edit the post and include this! This is very helpful.

    [–]PoorlyTimedPun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Thanks for the info! I'd add it to the main post.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    deleted What is this?

    [–]randomkloud 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    they have trouble with funding because there's not much profit in this and that's why a non-profit is running this. you get an operation once, and to reverse you have another. Compare that to contraceptive pills which are consumed and you have to keep buying them. Even condoms are single use.

    [–]INTJokes 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    I've seen stories posted here where men showed documented evidence of a vasectomy to get out of child support. Would evidence of this procedure carry the same weight?

    [–]2popthatpill 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    Wouldn't a DNA test make more sense?

    [–]2Overkillengine 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    I think men by default should always contest paternity even when they are fairly sure the child is theirs.

    Currently it is the only way other than intentional sterility to nip paternity fraud in the bud since the government will not help of its own impetus.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Sometimes it doesn't matter. Men can be labelled a father by proxy by the courts even if it wasn't theirs.

    [–]2Overkillengine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    True, and men would do well to not allow themselves to be in situations and jurisdictions where that is considered an acceptable legal practice, both for themselves as individuals and as a collective.

    The machine cannot run without men to fuel it.

    [–]2popthatpill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The latest email update (~7pm Friday UTC) said it's about 33% there ($41400 out of $127k).

    [–]Trucks_N_Chainsaws 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Fuck donations. I want to write them a check for $10,000 and 1% ownership stake in the company.

    [–]RICCIedm 3 points4 points  (10 children)

    You can't afford 33 dollars, but are concerned about being "child support raped".

    Yeah...

    [–]forcevacum[S] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

    Just because I can't afford something now doesn't mean I can't afford it in the future.

    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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      [–]forcevacum[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      Yeah, but I did pledge to do it. I didn't intend to bring my personal matters into it, but I do intend on following through even though I don't have an income at the moment.

      [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

      Yeah if this guy can't afford 33 dollars I think potential child support is the least of his problems...

      [–]attemptist 6 points7 points  (4 children)

      If this guy can't afford 33 dollars imagine how fucked he is in the event that he's ordered to pay child support.

      [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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        [–]attemptist 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Absolutely. But I've been in both positions where I am flush and don't really feel the sting of paying $1k child support per month, and not so great times where you really feel it. I know which hole I'd rather be in.

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          [–]attemptist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Jesus, that's HIGH. I'm glad you got out of it. I managed something similar in the end, I have half custody of my kids and an agreement that prevents her from going after me for child support in case the $15k she owed me in the divorce wants to come due (it would make more financial sense for her to pay that out and take child support but she's not good enough with money nor long-term thinking for it to be much of a risk). I really lucked out in the end compared to others around here, mostly because I was lucky to have that leverage. My country fortunately does not have alimony, and certainly not such punitive figures as that.

          [–]Hibear 1 point2 points  (6 children)

          Damn it! They don't accept BTC can I convert BTC to visa or something similar?

          [–]Mooshaq 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          I'm assuming BTC means bitcoin? If so, they have a link on their page at the top which leads to this bitcoin donation page.

          [–]Hibear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yes bitcoins! Thank you for the link sent them $4 by BTC and $140 by post

          [–]solidsnork 4 points5 points  (3 children)

          Someone donated $13,000 in BTC to Vasalgel just now but it was declined because of a 10,000 daily limit.

          [–]Hibear 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Woah damn! Why is it limited but?

          [–]solidsnork 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I think coinbase has that limit by default and they need to agree to pay a percentage for anything over that. They said they have done that so hopefully the guy sends the payment again.

          [–]steelerfaninperu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I would like to make one edit to your original post:

          In theory practice it's less painful and has less risks than a vasectomy and should be better because it's reversible.

          The stuff has been around in India and human trials have been going on for over ten years. So far there hasn't been any indication that it doesn't work, although the full data from the trials has not been publicly released yet.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I definitely spread the word about this.

          [–]Enjoyitbeforeitsover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Id be down to do this, but is this shit painful? Or is child support more painful haha.

          [–]RPRedhead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It would be nice if they showed how much they've raised so far. Weekly or monthly totals or % towards goal?

          [–]CryptoManbeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I pledged twice before the thread went up. Been following this since some doctor in India made the news for shoving plastic in people's sacks for the price of a needle. I'm hoping to be one of the first people in the US to get plastic nut injections.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          This is fantastic. I'm definitely gonna donate. I have always considered a vasectomy and happy this might be possible.

          [–][deleted]  (8 children)

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          [–]2popthatpill 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          The social climate as regards male contraception isn't ever going to improve - so it's now or never.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

          Do you know why insurance companies cover birth control 100%? Because kids are fucking expensive. Vasalgel will definitely make it to the market, considering that insurance companies will benefit.

          [–]FleetingWish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Eh, insurance companies don't have a lot of say in what comes to market. That is more in the hands of drug companies and the FDA.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Then they shouldn't need donations. Such a product would show a future profit making it easy to raise funds by selling stocks

          [–]MGTOWmadness -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          especially not whilst this foundation owns the rights to it. The economic circumstances of this non profit endeavour

          Vasalgel is owned by an LLC. This is a for-profit as it comes.

          [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

          Wait??

          Donate money to a medical industry for the right to buy their product in the future.

          Am I the only one that thinks this is a scam?? If it's a legit company they should have plenty of funding, and if their product is legit then they should be able to raise the money easily by selling stocks..

          I would bit into the stocks since it would easily turn a profit

          [–]FiveDelta 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          If you learn about the back story, how it is a small wealthy family who made most of their money from the construction business (wealthy but not crazy rich, like under $10 million) they licensed this product, and have to get it approved...it's not a true biotech startup or pharma company. It's a foundation (doesn't really matter) but more of an organization that has an asset ready to bring to market, but it needs to go through the regulatory process.

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

          Then they should still their patent to a bigger company.. If the product is legit someone will buy it

          [–]Nogaz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I am sure a company that manufactures birth control would love to buy the patent so it never hits the market

          [–]RedPillJohnny -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

          You guys know that every single birth control method other than pull out and pray has serious health side effects and is never 100% effective right?

          The birth control pill is ridiculously dangerous to women's hormones. Things growing wrong with an IUD can be both life threatening and permanent. Condoms are fine but rip and break and can be sabatoged...still a better idea than the other two.

          The idea that some form of miracle male birth control will appear that does not have any side effects is a pipe dream and I for one will never participate in big-pharma's attempt at interrupting the insemination process.

          With all that being said men should still always control the birth. And never purchase the first incarnation of any product....lap top, car, or an experimental semi-permanent sterilizing procedure.

          [–]_eskimo_brothers_ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Let's not instill fear for no reason. Birth control for women vs birth control for men are hugely different. Men don't really have that many options.

          • 1. Condom
          • 2. Pull Out
          • 3. Vasectomy

          None of our forms of birth control are like what women have to deal with, none of that hormone crap - so let's just stop comparing the two right there.

          Technically with RISUG was the first incarnation in India with inserting a polymer into the vas defrens. Obviously there is a risk with anything, but let's not put unnecessary fear into it. It's not big pharma - if anything they don't want this to come to market and this isn't some 1984 sterilization conspiracy.

          Nobody is forcing this, it's an attractive option for guys who honestly were really considering a vasectomy anyways. I know I'm in that group. Even with a girl on BC, I'd like to not worry about a condom assuming it's someone who I know is clean with documentation to back it up and is not sleeping around. That way if she does end up pregnant, I know she cheated and I can simply end it there without any drama.

          I'll be donating at least $50.

          [–]RedPillJohnny 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Your points are 100% valid and I support them all...but all medical intervention in the body's natural processes need to be looked at with skepticism and distrust...I am not saying that they ALL are to be distrusted but new incarnations of new technology, from a brand new laptop up to lasik surgery, need to be carefully thought about.

          This is your body we are talking about here, specifically your dick, and rushing into something with complete faith that everything will be fine and that the scientists all did their due diligence is somewhat foolish...and all for what? Sex with a reduced risk of babies.

          So go for it. Donate all you want. I ain't against it. I truly hope science has discovered the first contraceptive that doesn't have harmful side effects....that would be amazing. This is a big deal.

          All I am doing is preaching caution because no one else here is.