Red Pill ExampleIf you're black, don't bother using Tinder (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Morpheus-Man

Summary - Tinder, and online dating is heavily skewed against minority success and optimal for top 20%. This post is targeted at the bottom 80%, which is also ironically blacks by default.

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Its a waste of time for us. Few matches on average. Even the very best looking black males won't get matched with anything above 7.

Matches are usually unattractive fat/out of shape white women, sometimes the odd knight rider (which is usually a 6.5 at best)

The dating game is very different for us. Act according.


  • Run day game religiously. I've been able to attract 8-9s mostly cute white girls by dressing top tier (read men's health and study fashion, pull up your pants, groom yourself nicely, smell nice, brown dress shoes, jeans, nice watch and a polo shirt to be casual) Coordinated and incorporate light colors that match your outfit (white polo shirts are best - you can get nice ones at Old Navy).

  • Lift Lift Lift

  • Don't get drunk or do drugs in social environments. Keep your mind sharp. If you drink, 1 or 2 drinks for a buzz.

  • Go out in public more , get comfortable with your surroundings and public. Talk to anyone you can. Smile.

  • Master your body language - stand upright, walk straight professional leg rhythm. Chest and chin up and practice eye contact when communicating. Eye contact = trust.

  • Read How to win friends and influence people, Rational Male, Book of Pook

  • Watch Justin Wayne, The Men's Room, RSD Madison, AlanSinclair, Squattincassanova on Youtube if you need solid examples.

  • Professional life is critical. Develop your financial state to peak performance for running game. Monk mode as long as it takes until you are the complete package. It will do wonders for your confidence knowing you can afford stuff.

  • Don't use wingmen. Wingmen will out shine you or shadow your spotlight. Especially if they are the majority. Always solo game.

  • When you're running game, its an absolute must that you defeat stereotypes. Talk normal, proper. No slang. Less urban = higher success rate.

Observations and diagnosis -

White females are the easiest to pull. In my area black females go exclusively for white males.

Same with all other female race minorities - So you need to stand out from the crowd and put in 5X effort to get optimal results. Landing a 9 is possible when you tailor the right strategies.

Building a plate list can cause turbulence and kill trust when you're a black male, females develop mental stereo types very easy.

As a black male , do short LTR at a time, 3-6 months then light next.

Conclusion -

Day game for me as a black male has been pretty rewarding, your personality can attract people and build relationships. Don't focus on tinder or dating apps, its a losing game for minorities.

Day game will bring you the most success. Cheers everyone.

[–]lionofthejungle 529 points530 points  (11 children)

A man who finds solutions to his problems rather than complaining about it - this is what real male self improvement and growth is about.

[–]RojoEscarlata 36 points37 points  (7 children)

Let me add to that, I'm mestizo, not that tall (5.9) and not handsome either, but I am in a excellent shape and can do PUA like a second nature (after years of practice of course)

And really it doesn't take much to be "good" with women, literally women are meant to be receptive of male advances, the most important part of PUA (an many other things) is unlearning mental conditionings that hinders us from moving forward.

:OP don't let they loser mentality hinder you ever, because even though there ARE racial bias in every ethnic group, they are not stronger than the capacity of mostly humans to understand one another. And for most fairer or unjust the world may be, it doesn't matter, the only one that most have to control of your life, actions, happiness and hatred it's you.

PS: Get a few pics of you with hotties (lost of kino), it did wonders for my tinder game, women there are just worth for one thing do. http://imgur.com/ciQJZBn

[–]TitsAndWhiskey 13 points14 points  (6 children)

For those of you not familiar, mestizo ("mixed") are Mexicans (probably other Latin American countries too but I'm mostly familiar with Mexico) with a lot of of obvious Indian blood and there's a heavy social bias. Indians/mestizo are considered unattractive and undesirable, regardless of actual attractiveness.

[–]RojoEscarlata 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Mestizo is just mixed people, regardless the race. Heh

[–]bornredd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Different connotations depending on where you live.

[–]Psycholephant 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Theres kind of a social caste system in Latin American countries, the darker you are, the less beautiful and desirable you are. I've even heard my cousins from the white Mexican side of the family that they don't want to stay out in the sun too long or they'll get too dark.

[–]sonofquetzalcoatl 0 points1 point  (1 child)


In fact mestizos come in different packages, the almost amerindian looking, the pseudo-middle-eastern ones and the almost iberian.

In TV is dominated by the last two, the amerindian looking people often depict servants.

[–]TitsAndWhiskey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mestizo is almost a slur the way "Jew" is here... Whether or not it's an insult depends on how much stank you put on it

[–]harsha_hs 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Females complain. Men get the shit done, if its tough be it

[–]Thaweed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thats exactly it!

Figure out what your Problems are, think about them, do something about it!

[–]Cunfriday 76 points77 points  (4 children)

I can't tell you how many women I've met online who assume I like big/fat women just because I'm black. They are actually shocked when I tell them I don't fuck with women who weigh more than 130lbs-ish. Solid advice.

[–]babybopp 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Not to mention that 100% of fat white women think that 100% of black men want to fuck 'em. They get genuinely confused when rejected. It comes from the notion passed down from slavery days of hide your women, them niggers will rape them. The beta boys don't make this stereotype any better. I have seen 8-9 guys date 3-4 fat girls. These girls specialize in sucking dick like no other and other freaky stuff.So when dudes date 7-8's who won't suck dick they go back. And op is absolutely right, the younger black generation do not understand how skewed this is, and get really tormented when they don't get pretty women who only want to date white guys.

[–]Boovs4life 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I got shamed for telling someone that. My friend told me there was this girl that liked me and while she does have a pretty face, she is considerably overweight and that is a huge turn off for me. I told my friend I'll pass bc i don't prefer overweight girls and she went apeshit saying I'm very shallow and should be ashamed of myself.

[–]TheRedStoic 111 points112 points  (12 children)

I'd also like to point out as a black male:

Break the stereotypes, don't ever blame anyone for your problems, even jokingly.

Don't ever defer to race as a reason for anything, even jokingly

You will get tons of hate from lower class Black's, ignore this. It hurts especially if you're young, but the most racism you'll get is from other Black's saying you act white. (Ghost, Oreo, traitor to your race, etc)

Don't ever be in debt. Avoid it at all costs, when you go out make sure you have the cash to cover it. Don't ever discuss your financials. You're weighted against both statistically and stereotypically.

Especially don't ask for favors involving cash. A white or Asian male can do this once in a while, but once from a black male reinforces that you're buying rims instead of food.

Ignore the backhanded compliments, (you speak so well) kinda comments. Seriously if that pisses you off you're not ready to play.

Use positive stereotypes to your advantage. Be fit but don't talk about the effort, it should be natural, play a sport if you want but don't discuss how much you practice, etc. This goes for all men but doubly for us.

Play an instrument well. You wouldn't believe the advantage an attractive black musician has, and an instrument doesn't mean spinning disks or rapping.

Politely but firmly decline and dissociate from any presumed drug related connections or supply. If you're dressed well enough this won't really be an issue.

Go for the younger golden ghetto girls, they love pissing off daddy. Great for fun.

Wrap your shit and get sterilized. Just do it.

Fashion ways, the best color for a black male is white. Use vibrant colors not muted, I prefer whites, reds, greens, on bright blue jeans or white dress pants. Take great advantage of your tone!

Voice training. Play that shit up. The deep smooth black male voice isn't attainable by all black men, but a black singer is definitely more sexy than a white one. Ride this stereotype into the fucking ground.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Play an instrument well. You wouldn't believe the advantage an attractive black musician has, and an instrument doesn't mean spinning disks or rapping.

I have a guitar, I love it. It's great. But I LOVE to write rap music. Maybe I'm just more inlove with writing lyrics than actually playing. It's pretty easy to slow the pace of a rap down, sometimes cut out extra syllables and it's suddenly an indie song.

I keep telling my other friends to never pull the race card too. Just because it exists to some degree doesn't mean it's an excuse to just give up and lose willingly.

How do you go about the voice training? I recently started recording stuff whenever I come up with melodies or a flow I want to mess with and I've found out my voice is waaaaaaaay deeper than I thought it was. Do you have a favored youtube channel for voice training?

[–]Timmytanks40 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's retarded. I'm black and not but if being "ghetto" has any limimitations I haven't seen it. There's just too much pussy of every variety. Unless youre after pussy that has particular requirements for access like country pussy and lifted pick up.

There's enough out there that you'll still get laid often enough even in whatever niche you've picked out.

I personally don't go for anything other than your typical campus chill chick and this hasnt involved pulling a Carlton.

[–]dmystery 57 points58 points  (18 children)

Killer advice bud, was planning on making a similar post but for Asian/Indian guys. Kudos.

[–]samurai69 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm genuinely interested in reading what you have to say.

[–]tridtrid 7 points7 points [recovered]

Please tell me when when it's done. I am really looking forward to it

[–]SmilingWatermelon 54 points55 points  (4 children)

Yeah I think ill delete tinder till im top %. You're spot on with barely matching with anyone fuckable. I think im gonna monk mode till I'm far higher in smv.

Thanks for the post man. Good to see a fellow brother trying to help us out.

[–]Morpheus-Man[S] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

See you on the flip side dude. Good Luck!

[–]osaka_love_thief 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Gentle reminder...

There is no such thing as a black beta, when you're black you're either Alpha or omega

For most people the only two types of black men they see are the superstar athletes and musicians or the black homeless, criminals and thugs on the streets. Black communities across America for the most part have been utterly destroyed or are on the brink of collapse; divorce, single motherhood, EBT cards, welfare dependency, drastically low levels of post-secondary education and statistically higher than average crime rates given our small percentage of the American population as a whole(Blacks only make up 12% of the U.S) have contributed to what the OP has discovered.

For some taking the RedPill is a choice, an option or even a dilemma; for the black man the RedPill is do or die.

[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 18 points19 points  (16 children)

I don't disagree with this, but you should ask /u/OmLaLa (our resident half black half asian guy) how he does on tinder. He wrote a few posts on Tinder and seems to do well for himself.

[–]AtlasAtlasAtlas 11 points12 points  (13 children)

yeah, so OP is telling me that this guy wouldn't have luck above a "7" on tinder?

it's like 80% looks and 20% race.

[–]chadjugo 9 points10 points  (7 children)

Shit I'm average looking and just started matching 7s after a few profile changes.

Mannn if I looked like him I'd definitely have a soft harem of "8" level plates.

[–]AtlasAtlasAtlas 14 points15 points  (6 children)

race honestly stops being an issue if you are attractive.

see another example is A$AP Rocky, the guy before was light skin. Rocky is dark skin and handsome as hell, the dude would have no problem bagging models without his fame.



[–]1StoicCrane 15 points16 points  (3 children)

A $AP's fame boosts his SMV and puts him in the model circle. He probably could smash models but it'd probably be more difficult without his clout.

[–]citizenkane66 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That guy has very attractive caucasian features.

[–]Louisie_steezy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Posting this is like what an earlier poster saud about mexican people. Light skinned black people are concidered the beauty standard

[–]boogalooshrimp1103 16 points17 points  (4 children)

as a black man that likes thick women i think we did it to ourselves. how many athletic black dudes have you seen with a rosie o'donnell looking bitch.....plus the big girls are easy targets

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But the thing is those Captain Ahabs are probably harpooning a dozen white whales a month.

Not my thing, but if lay count is their sole priority , then I understand where they are coming from

[–]1StoicCrane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah, one dudes preference in bloated bitches hardly represents the majority. Ithink the reason those dudes opt for the free-willies is because there's much less effort to put in since the chick knows she's low on the SMV poll. Easy poon instead of putting in the work to pull an 8 or a 9. I'd rather have my dick drop off than putting it in one of those, though.

[–]TRPBackpacker 78 points78 points [recovered]

Agree with you in USA.

But you should go to Denmark and try Tinder there. The result is very different according to all the black Americans I met there.

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[–]TRPBackpacker 39 points39 points [recovered]

If you are dark colored. You really standout over there.

I remember walking down the street, bathed in masses and masses of blond hair blue eyes (been like that for 3 months) when all of a sudden, a black hair olive skinned beauty walked across the street. All eyes were on her. She's one in a million in that place.

[–]1Yakatonker 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Basic economics, scarcity creates value. Humans are no different because people view everything in the context of commodities.

[–]rogicar 7 points8 points  (1 child)

But does it apply towards men's value in the sexual market? I have my doubts. Theoretically thinking the heard mentality women have in where they would go to great extents to fit in and not being ostracized would think that it would cause them to deter from going for that one foreigner/different guy that doesn't fit well in the community unless he's already been prevalidated to have higher value than their local men(white dudes everywhere else in the world).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love blondes.. It sounds like I need to take a trip to europe.

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[–]Blaat1985 15 points16 points  (14 children)

Not in the East and South. The population is very racist there.

[–]Seducibledotcom 11 points12 points  (13 children)

Not wanting your homeland to get torn up by invaders and diluted by diversity is racist?

[–]Blaat1985 53 points54 points  (12 children)

No but seeing black people as lesser people and monkeys/apes is racist.

[–]TunefulPegasus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep very much seen in Spain and portugal

[–]AlerioX -1 points0 points  (8 children)

Absolutely. Here in germany we have some afroamericans due to the air bases (for example in Ramstein). They crush any woman.
German women are obsessed with arab and black guys.
That's the reason they go to the streets singing 'Refugees are welcome here'.
They don't care about the living standard and low crime rates.
They crave some big alpha cock for the tingles.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (5 children)

WTF did I just read?

Those scrawny, small refugees actually don't stand a chance with the astronomical standards German women have towards their partners.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

They have no problem getting 20 minutes of action though

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

And who cares about that? Be the kind of guy they want to have action with and don't blame others for being more desirable than you are.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

It was a reference to that rape story with the guy's dad talking about 20 minutes of action.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Oh sorry, didn't know that. Cheers!

[–]i_forget_my_userids 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because euro guys aren't as aggressive as they are. They're sarging all day, of course they fare better.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 28 points29 points  (1 child)


The problem with Tinder and other dating apps/sites is your profile is basically 2 dimensional, so it's heavily looks-based, to if you're not top 10% or 20%, it's not going to work out as well for you, on average. Everyone is used to ordering off of Amazon or wherever and thinks "I want EXACTLY what I want, and I want a 'money back guarantee'," thus both genders are driven to the tippy-top % of the other gender's profiles, based on looks.

Back on point, no woman is obligated to bang you and if she won't it simply means that your SMV, at that time and place, wasn't high enough for her. To succeed, you have to ... wait for it ... raise your SMV.

Hot white chicks don't automatically bang every white guy who swipes right on them. Maybe minority guys have an extra hurdle or two to get over, but the "Answer & The Cure!" for any and every guy is the same: Raise.Your.SMV.

[–]Kwantuum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And learn how to display it effectively. If you look amazing naked but you dress like shit and take bathroom selfies with a bad angle, you ain't gonna catch any fish on tinder.

[–][deleted] 72 points73 points  (34 children)

I like this.

Many posters post some bullshit that they don't like, then 'amirite guys?' get some validation of other guys bitching, feels good, don't have to change, grow, or accept that the game isn't always in your favour.

You found some bullshit, worked out to achieve your goal, and thrown up the value for others experiencing your situation.

If others are paying attention, this is how you TRP. you live your life, with full awareness of the rules that you weren't told.

[–]Morpheus-Man[S] 43 points44 points  (33 children)

Thanks man, this post will most likely be an unpopular opinion, as the majority of TRP won't be able to relate to this conflict

[–]Alukain 15 points15 points [recovered]

One of my buddies said he had the same experience on Tinder, he is in really good shape, has a great jawline, great skin, is confident, successful in our shared field, and still, he matched with ugly white women, almost always. A lot of larger/not great looking/ no personality women have been conditioned to think that dating/fucking a black guy is their right because "black guys like the thick immature women that give them sass all the time". It makes me mad, I feel for him. I have women judge me for being Persian (the jewelry/open shirts/etc.) but that pales in comparison to what our black brothers go through. Where did the "black dudes love fat white women and we deserve the best, most ripped, successful men" thing even come from? I don't know any well adjusted confident male that goes for those type of women. Blows my mind.

[–]blackchadthundercock 9 points9 points [recovered]

Where did the "black dudes love fat white women and we deserve the best, most ripped, successful men" thing even come from?

This is where it all started

And fat/obese white women got it in their heads somehow that a woman with "back" applied to her cellulite filled ass. It doesn't sweetie.

[–]Alukain 5 points5 points [recovered]

Good lord, I wonder how Sir Mix a Lot feels about this, and agreed, obese women assume that "back" means their hugeness. :/ I live in the southwest and the most obese, mean, nasty women think they are the hottest thing ever. It spread so quick.

[–]blackchadthundercock 17 points17 points [recovered]

This is what Sir Mix a Lot meant.

Not This

I'm sure he's shaking his head......

[–]Troll_Name 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's the same concept as "curvy."

If you can't feel good with the truth, you probably end up lying a lot more.

[–]B_Rawb 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I never realized it started here, I concur though. I was drinking with my boy and a rather portly blonde broad starts to ask flirt with me, she asks "Do you think I'm cute?" and before I could answer she says rather bluntly "Of course you do, I'm thick black guys love thick girls." Never been hit on in more presumptuous way.

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[–]____MegaManX____ 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Sound advice, sometimes you need to lie abit online to get preferable results.

However, its probably best to stay close to who/what you actually are because women can detect our lies better then men can on women

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

OP can tell people it's just a good tan, and his name is charlston the third, esquire lol

[–]Namkcalb 7 points7 points [recovered]

But but muh rape by deception

[–]juliusstreicher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No-you "self identify" as white and rich.

[–]yomo86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A fresh breeze of objective truth thank you. Once we set up a tinder profile with a fake male 9.5 to see how the 5% men are doing we only got 4 matches per day and no bitch messaged first. It is a validation machine.

[–]IoSonCalaf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nonetheless, it's nice hearing from someone with a different background and point of view. And what you wrote is useful and interesting--pure gold IMO. Good job.

[–]Twoshoefoo 9 points10 points  (2 children)

It's probably pretty bad for others, but I've had more than enough success with Tinder, even as a black man.

Though, the lighter you are, the better it works out.

[–]chadjugo 2 points2 points [recovered]

Same here, just a mid SMV out of shape black college student.

In fact as soon as I put the fact that I was in a uni on my profile, I went from matching with the bottom of the barrel OP is complaining about as well as bots to 6-7s across almost all races (still no Asians at all for some reason...).

[–]1StoicCrane 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Asian chicks on Tinder have been noted to only desire light skinned men. Stereotypes loom heavily over their mindsets. If you want an Asian chick you have to dispel the stereotypes in real life to stand a good chance. It's an uphill battle with Asian chicks as a black man but it can be done. I prefer Latinas more personally.

[–]TitsAndWhiskey 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Where the fuck do I go to find these black women that like white men? I get one match out of 100 black girls.

[–]HonestBlackGirl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We are absolutely everywhere but we do not approach men so the onus is on you to come say hello. White guys usually break conversation, no matter how awkward. Its cute so we laugh to encourage him. College, high end supermarkets, events, group events, wherever. If I am aware of a cute white guy, I will smile at him more than once to will him to say something. Usually works.

Geography matters though.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

they exist. We had one that wanted to post her hatred of black men here, but had to get rid of it, because she eventually posted 'black men ain't shit' and had no value for Rule0.

If she is at all representative, you're pretty much golden, and are willing to put up with even some racism, because of the alternative for them.

Though the reasons could be posts on their own

[–]LuvBeer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Tinder, and online dating is heavily skewed against minority success

Don't focus on tinder or dating apps, its a losing game for minorities.

Life is skewed against minority success. There's no grand plot to keep the black man down on tinder, it's just that if you're a minority group, almost by definition you will have a harder time. I like being around people like myself, so I moved to a middle class, white area of the city and enjoy the order and superior infrastructure. Don't like being a minority? There are places that you won't be eg. majority black cities and countries. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses, it just sounds like day game plays to your strengths more than tinder does.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Tinder / OKC / POF are horrible for black guys. The same way they're horrible for short guys, broke guys or guys who look broke, unattractive guys or guys who take bad pictures, etc. Girls have an inventory of guys to swipe through and if there's one thing that's not ideal, HARD swipe. But in real life, it's a much different story. I'd had girls in wheelchairs, girls who looked like one of Walder Frey's daughters and girls who haven't seen their pussies in about 8 years visiting my profile. Yet I never touched anything below a 6 in real life. Online dating isn't for minorities, unless you're strictly searching for minority women, and even then, you have to deal with the simps, betas and suckas who put them on a pedestal too. Stick to real life.

[–]acpower7 14 points14 points [recovered]

I'm black myself and the problem is OP obviously keen on strictly dating white/non-black women. I have no idea why he is surprised at the lack of attention he is receiving, given the fact most people prefer to date within their own race. Since Tinder is made up of mostly white people it's not a mystery at all why you aren't getting matches. I really wish Tinder had a race filter, it's completely useless to me as I have to swipe 20-30 times minimum to find a black female.

[–]TheRealPancomplex 2 points3 points  (4 children)

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[–]TheRealPancomplex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well...like you said you are in Australia. You might as well be in Ethiopia and try to find a Japanese female thru Tinder.

I would like to point out the obvious, there are some stunning Australian girls. So perhaps either be mindful of what you have around you or simply move to a country which you believe suits your dating needs.

[–]1StoicCrane 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Have to admit. Getting tough to find in shape Black women or just in-shape women nowadays in the US. The era of obesity normalcy is taking hold in America.

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[–]1StoicCrane 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This more or less explains the current state of the average US Black community. Most black men would love if the women looked like this , this, or this but on average the typical woman looks more or less like this. If the women looked like actual women there'd be little to no reason to date interculturally or racially. By no means is interracial dating bad or good but it's just the unfortunate state of the Black US dating scene.

[–]subtle_nirvana92 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's actually more like 90% overweight and 44% obese.

[–]evileddy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's like when you view backpage . c o m and all the hookers state "NO BLACK MEN"

[–]fabosexy 28 points29 points  (14 children)

Defeatist attitude wont get you anywhere.

I am black male, physically I fit all the stereotypes, 6'1, muscular but I'm also well spoken and educated.

Dont come accross as ghetto or a typical black guy and the battle is half won.

"Proof" of passed tinder success


[–]Schveen15 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I don't know if you do thisbut to any black people (or hell, non-whites) reading my comment and looking to have dating options outside of their own race my number one piece of advice: post pictures of yourself with white people. This will help defeat the narrative of you only affliating with people of your own race (it's an assumption we all make about each other. For example, you assume any woman you're talking to has largely female friends, fraternity type bros having fraternity type friends, feminists with other feminists/SJWs, etc. etc). By posting photos with other whites, you destroy this narrative from the get-go

[–]BlackHera 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is also dependent upon region. What state are you in? OP may be in the deep south, Like i am. Sure you can kill it on the west coast and parts up north, but the deep south is a different ball game my guy

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

A 6-pack and a shirtless selfie is the solution to any man's Tinder problems.

[–]0_fox_are_given 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this. My experience in the dating game is exactly as you've put it here. And good friends of mine - who are also black - have had a similar experience. (Good looking, ripped guys, etc.) It's funny because we were comparing matches and a couple of the same girls had matched with all three of us.

Once you get your shit sorted though and you do it via social game/day game, things go well. I'm not there 'yet' but seen improvements a long my journey.

Personally though, if I was a white chick who hadn't spent much time around people of color, I'd probably avoid matching with minority guys myself. It's a different thing when you meet someone in person and have much more to go off.

[–]dirnetgeek 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is good advice for any man who is looking....

[–]mensafloyd 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Jesus fuckin' Chirst!!! Guys of all races! Just stop!

The only dating sites you need to be concerned with are www.autotrader.com and www.cargurus.com

Lease women and buy cars! Not the other way around! It's a fools errand! And remember in this world:

Red Pill: Tuners Blue Pill: Ricers

Side note: For all of you NSX owners who price theirs in the six figures and wonder why it hasn't sold...IT'S NOT A GALLARDO!!! OR EVEN A 360!!!...!


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[–]AtlasAtlasAtlas 5 points6 points  (3 children)

nah, if you look like Zayn you're more than safe.

It's about looks more than race.

[–]fruxzak 4 points5 points  (1 child)

He's half white and light skinned. If you're almost white looking, Tinder is easy.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Being in one of those groups does make things harder, but I haven't had a terrible time getting matches even though I fall into one of those categories. Please do delete your Tinder accounts. Less competition for me.

[–]Nickleback4life 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This sub is slowly becoming "do what I, magazines and other people on the internet tell you to do to become alpha!"

Doing this kind of stuff and just blindly listening to people is the complete opposite of "alpha".

[–]Tie5o11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I consider the Red Pill like a buffet- it gives you a lot of options, you find and take what you like and find useful to you, while leaving the rest behind.

Being a white guy this particular post has no value to me, but I'm sure there are people who were helped by it...

[–]antwonedw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is good content.

And helpful.

Thanks for writing it.

[–]slothsenpai 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm Middle Eastern based in London and I've had successes on Tinder. There's obviously going to be periods where you get no matches, it may be heavily skewed against minorities though to say it's a waste of time is a massive understatement. Just gotta be persistent with it and lift, lift LIFT!

[–]Auphor_Phaksache 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It is odd that I get zero matches on tinder but can pull white 9s face to face. You would think tinder would be more ideal for them because it's more discrete. Someone explain the logic here?

[–]gonorealover 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Someone explain the logic here?

Sure . Your 9s are actually 5-6s .

[–]Auphor_Phaksache 4 points5 points  (0 children)

why can't you just let me be happy?

[–]tuxidomasx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you're black, you can do extremely well on Tinder with black women. If you want white girls tho, I dont know, maybe Tinder isnt good for that.

Personally speaking, since my preference is black chicks, Tinder delivers. as does most other dating sites.

There was a study that said black women prefer to date within their own race more than any other demographic. And it's true in my experience.

A black man who is top 20% financially, physically, and in game will never be bottom 80% by any measure. A wealthy, good looking, ambitious black man will always have more quality pussy than he can swing his dick at.

[–]Benny757 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hey white guy here. I have zero luck at tinder. None. I like your post though OP. Maybe it's just women generally.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 9 points10 points  (15 children)

Gotta disagree, depends entirely on where you are. I live and work in Hollywood (40 year old white male here), I'm surrounded by beautiful young women (late teens, early 20s), mostly white girls, and the vast majority of them (many of them heavy Tinder users) exclusively "date" (hook up with) black men--and that's it. (Also black music, black fashion--it's all part of a package deal.)

I was actually watching an extremely attractive female friend use Tinder just the other day, she was swiping her way past these "perfect 10" looking white guys, like "nope nope nope nope nope", giving each one less than half a second (and any one of them could have been a catalogue model, welcome to Hollywood, this is your competition out here), and then about 20 swipes in she gets to the hot black guy (steroids up the wazoo but also extremely good looking), this high pitched squeal pops out of her mouth, she gives him a Yes, it's an instant match (every girl out here always gets an instant match with any guy she gives a Yes to), and a second later he's texting her "What up, wanna hang out?" etc etc.

So yeah, black guys can absolutely kill it on Tinder, you just have to be fishing in the right pond. (And of course, you have to be really, really, really good looking. Otherwise forget it.)

[–]1ShallITinder 6 points7 points  (3 children)

and the vast majority of them (many of them heavy Tinder users) exclusively "date" (hook up with) black men

I have a tough tough time believing the vast majority and exclusively part as a former Californian.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 9 points10 points  (5 children)

So because an extremely handsome black guy on steroids can get your friend to swipe right all of a sudden Tinder is worth it for black guys?

You have no clue what the fuck you're talking about bro...

[–]1StoicCrane 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Most Black guys aren't willing to do roids. Many have a face only their mom could love. Tinder works for the rare exception but it's by no means for the majority.

[–]Smurfboy82 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Most Black guys aren't willing to do roids

Personal Trainer here; wow, what a sweeping racial generalization here. I've met a good number of black bodybuilders and I can say with confidence they are no more or less likely to use steroids than any other ethnic group. I know plenty who do use them (and very effectively I might add).

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Most Black guys aren't willing to do roids.

This actually made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that, needed a kickstart to my morning.

Many have a face only their mom could love.

Again, no. Could say this about any race, nobody "owns" attractiveness (or unattractiveness).

[–]1StoicCrane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many have a face only their moms could love

Many. Contextually the post is about black prospect on tinders. Mentioned nothing specifically in relation to any others.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Kind of surprised a ripped black dude has no chance on tinder. Id imagine a shirtless pic, a pic in a suit or well put together bizcas and a pic having fun or holding an animal would get plenty of higher quality sluts fantasizing about cock size.

[–]1StoicCrane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sterotypes have a massive impact on public perception. Especially in regions where the race in question is virtually non-existent. The only place people of a certain culture can learn about other races is through their biased television set or MSM.

[–]G4RRETT 2 points3 points  (0 children)

my observation is that american women love a well spoken, clean cut black guy. A lot of black guys are very masculine. Women are very attracted to masculinity, especially for hook-ups/short term dating.

[–]MrOake 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Good post but I find tinder isn't nearly what it was when it first came out. I fucked the first match I got and thought I'd found the pussy goldmine, but my results have steadily declined. Now that its popularity is through the roof it seems 70% of the women are on there just for the validation and have no interest in meeting up and the other 20% are ugly women and of course the other 10% r bots

[–]Tie5o11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I notice a lot less "hot" girls on Tinder from its early days. Average to slight above average girls, yes- but the hottest girls basically match with every guy they swipe right on. Thus, they either get overwhelmed by the amount of options, or quickly find a BF and get back off the app.

The average-ish girls still get with guys well above their value once in a while (who need to get it in), but those guys never commit to them, so they feel like landing that type of guy is always one swipe away. When in reality, they are constantly swiping for guys who would, at best, plate them.

[–]Bill_Gates187 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As an indian i've done well on Tinder - 10+ matches in one day sometimes. But my stats are pretty good. Honestly i wouldn't get too worked up about it, real life meeting girls is WAY better and less superficial. I've met girls on tinder who are like 5 out of 10 barely and demanding the world, it's tinder it's heavily skewed to the opposite sex.

[–]CommJimHoredem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I started reading and thought, "Forget tinder!" so was glad to see your conclusion. I've had the same experience getting the oddest matches (young black male too) and just decided to delete it. It's way more effective meeting women offline.

[–]RedEyesBlueShades 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe /u/OmLaLa is black, certainly non-white, and his experience on Tinder is that the number of matches are below average. But he's also a master pussy slayer, both IRL and on Tinder. You may wanna read his posts, and the ones on "Local Sexy Single Women" in particular.

Now stop bitching and complaining, and keep improving yourself and that Tinder profile.

[–]HangisLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This post resonates with me. Wish someone could explain the whole phenomenon with black, asian and latina girls predominately fucking only white guys. Is there a reason for this.

[–]MistahGustitues 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Really sucks what the reality of the situation, but, damn, do you have a perfect reaction to it! Rock on, dude, and good luck to all who are heeding your words in the future!

[–]megadummy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Speaking from personal experience here in the GTA and you're not lying man.

[–]The_Man11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would your tinder results be different if your name was Lebron?

[–]mygk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a white male I think black men should have a good dating lifestyle as it is kind of taboo for white women i think therefore you attract female attention if you know what I mean

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[–]tb87670 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can pull 3 profiles in my area that I saw this week on POF of white women saying they dig only black men. And I'm near a smaller city, not a large one. Not sure what OP is on about, black guys are a fetish white women use to make their families angry all the time around here. If I had that advantage I'd use it to smash a lot.

[–]BlackHera 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I upvoted before even reading it. It is absolutely true. I used to get an occasional match before saying fuck it. Everything you mentioned above is ABSOLUTELY true. No other way to put it. White girls are REALLY easy to fuck to be honest. Especially up north and out west. I gotta disagree with the LTR, as i believe them to be fruitless. But to each his own. Great post.

[–]asongoneal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly my mode of living. This is 100% accurate.

[–]seanlarson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

WRONG ... check this out: black dude got laid and showed proof in paris france. toughest tinder place...


[–]AtlasAtlasAtlas 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Kinda disagree, light skin black dudes that look like Chris Brown or August Alsina have no problem.

[–]1StoicCrane 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Forget that they have staus, wealth, and fame though. Take it away and they'd face the same issues.

[–]Aintlisterine 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Black guys: move somewhere where your race is a bonus. Black dudes are pretty rare in my city, but the few that I know do pretty damn well with girls.

This is basic economics: if no one is buying, and you can't change your product, change your market location

[–]1StoicCrane 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The hell do you live? Country wise/regionally? East Coast US, West Coast, Deep South? No need for specifics just curious.

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[–]1StoicCrane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Status is everything here. Without it it's easy to get overlooked by 7+ chicks. No such thing as LTRs in the city. Way too convenient to dine and dash while chicks hop the hypergamy train like the commuter shuttle. The city is good for quickies but stay away from upstate. Chicks are bloated and rachet like no one's business.

[–]in_monk_mode 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Not sure where are you from but my case is exactly the opposite in the UK. I'm a shorter white guy and I dont have much luck with girls. They go for the black 'gods' with their big tool. I know many native white English girls who date exclusively black guys.

[–]1StoicCrane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's the US most likely. Most racially charged country on the planet.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Fuck that.

Check out anything by omlala, especially his posts on Tinder dating.

[–]JimGrey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very eye opening, brother. Thanks for the advice. Just deleted Tinder for good.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 5 points6 points  (29 children)

I'm a white guy and I get no matches on Tinder.

Race doesn't matter, it's how good looking you are.

[–]blackchadthundercock 36 points36 points [recovered]

Are you a fatass? If so, then that's why you ain't matching shit.

Race does matter. Put a black/white guy next to each other who are equal in looks, job, money, etc & she'll pick white 99% of the time. Think I'm full of shit? Look at Asian women, never have I seen a group of white worshipping women on the planet.

[–]casemodsalt 20 points21 points  (3 children)

White guy here. Where are all these Asian women?

[–]1StoicCrane 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Get a first class ticket to China or Japan. There'll be a line of women waited to hop on your rock.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (11 children)

That's true. Asian chicks seem to love white guys.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 22 points23 points  (6 children)

New flash, Asian chicks like the same type of white guys that white girls like. Tall and good looking.

Asian chicks don't give white guys a break because they're white.

[–]blackchadthundercock 11 points11 points [recovered]

I just find that hard to believe given the big thing about plastic surgery that asian women get to look more white. And the fact that the presumption is white=status.

[–]____MegaManX____ 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Asian women will kill for a taste of white dick.

[–]Alukain 5 points5 points [recovered]

I can vouch for this, I dated a Chinese girl and a half Korean girl, I'm a light skinned Persian guy so everyone assumes I'm white. The Chinese girl would only date white men.

[–]jenbrady 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is true among younger ABC's. FOB Chinese chicks of marrying age will usually pick an Asian guy.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Nope, I'm not fat at all. Nor am I ugly. I'm just a normal looking white dude. Believe it or not, tons of normal looking white guys have no success on Tinder.

Now if you're talking offline, in your scenario the woman would pick whatever guy is the same race she is.

Hah, I wish Asian women were white worshiping. Guess how many Asian women I've slept with? Zero. I've been rejected by Japanese, Chinese, Korean and Filipino girls. Granted I'm only 5'6 so that probably makes me seem unfuckable to them.

Back to what I said earlier, race doesn't matter. Online it's all about your looks. Offline it's looks and game.

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Take a look at OkCupid's study about ethnicity and average rating: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/.

Your ethnicity does matter. For example, Asian men are consistently rated the worst looking on average.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 5 points6 points  (2 children)

And white men are consistently rated the most attractive?

I'm white and women aren't lining up to blow me. My race hasn't helped me at all.

There are several other factors that are far more important than race.

[–]2Overkillengine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Social status for starters. If she can't brag about you, she don't want to fuck you. If you have enough status that even being known as one of your side pieces is an upgrade in her standing, then you'll have a much easier time.

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Seriously? You are far taller than average in the Philippines.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm also far taller than the average Hobbit.

Unfortunately I don't live in the Shire so that doesn't help me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your advice is good but doesn't apply to black people any more than anyone else.

[–]dudet23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do I get the sense that 90% of the minority guys in here are just bitching about not getting enough cute white women.

Just date your own race then you don't have to worry about "racial bias" (otherwise known as natural instinct to preserve your phenotype and heritage)

[–]manwhowouldbeking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good post. Its applicable to all races need to step up to get a better class of women.

[–]SunshineBlotters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with most of it. You concluded your post with "Cheers everyone" so I can assume you aint from the states. In the states the urban look is great for you but you have to do it fashionably (ie dress more like A$AP Ferg/A$AP Rocky/Pharrell without the weird accessories that only celebrities can pull and avoid baggy clothes and such)

[–]LucasOFF 0 points1 point  (5 children)

As a Russian guy in UK that gets about 1 match out of maybe 300 likes. Everybody hates us. Never heard of anyone being turned on by Russians. So don't complain.

[–]TheRedManFromRussia 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What are you talking about. Tons of girls are attracted to Russians (from my experience). But then again maybe it's just me

[–]life_is_amazing100 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The advice you've given here is solid but I don't entirely agree with you on defeating stereotypes.

Me and the people I know have had far more success playing up stereotypes when it comes to getting girls than gaming while being less urban. I think it's down to the whole dangerous vibe generating tingles rather than black guy who's prim and proper (more husband material).

This is just my subjective view on it, take what you want from it.

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[–]lawr11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are plenty of good looking (8+) snow bunnies with jungle fever in my area. I'm 2 hours north east of Chicago.

My 6'1 black friend is eating very good on Tinder. Myself at 5'3"? Not prospering at all on Tinder. Face-to-face interactions are better for me. For him he just has to put his height in his bio and a few pictures of him spinning a basketball on his finger.

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Don't use wingmen. Wingmen will out shine you or shadow your spotlight. Especially if they are the majority. Always solo game.

I'm black and for some reason, I have always wondered why I have more success with women at bars when I go out by myself. I'm not sure if everything you said is true, but it definitely makes sense. Once you get past the whole "going out to bar by yourself" stigma, it's actually a lot of fun, if you choose the right type of bar.

Because of everything you said, I think I'm truly just gonna delete tinder and all dating apps I have.

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Kinda surprised actually. I can see how stereotypes could be a problem but I dont see a lot of resistance to black dudes as such with ladies in my area, and I'm in the south.

Caveat. Anecdotal as fuck since I'm not a minority.

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