MetaOn the first day, he learned how to dress (self.TheRedPill)

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Starting today, I will make a post every day for the next 7 days. If you read these posts with an open mind and willingness to learn and improve, I promise you, you will go from the weak, pathetic, excuse of a man you are now to a King. I want you to inscribe this in your brain - The boy must die for the man to live.



“You can never be overdressed or overeducated.” ― Oscar Wilde



Why dress well?

You might think what's in it for you? People who judge others on their appearance are shallow. You should never judge a book by its cover. Is getting judged on your appearance fair? no, but is it a reality? yes, and as such you have to be prepared for this reality. Here's your first reality check slick; First impressions are the only impressions.


Your clothing communicates a lot about who you are as a person. Just like you make snap decisions about her, her, him and him. Other people make snap decisions about you based on the way you are dressed.


How to up your style game?


Every great outfit starts with the shoes. If you are wearing running shoes or steve madden shoes with every outfit you got a lot of work to do. I mean, really, how often do you look at a man’s shoes? which is why I want you to know that you can tell a lot about a man just by a glimpse at his shoes. Let's talk about the 3 categories that we can divide our shoes into.


1) Dress shoes: Every man's shoe wardrobe is built around the black dress shoe. It is the perfect shoe for when you are wearing a suit. However, most men never take a step ahead after they have their Mom buy them their first square toed black dress shoe. Gentlemen, I am here to tell you that we absolutely, most certainly should invest in the perfect brown dress shoe aka the sexier bad boy cousin of the black dress shoe. All in all, we will get one black dress shoe and one brown dress shoe. There are different types of dress shoes [oxford, monk strap, derby etc] on the market. My personal pick would be Black Oxfords and a Brown Wingtip Brogues or Brown double monk strap. I will post a link below for more details on the different types of shoes.


2) Boots: There is nothing sexier than the perfect pair of boots. From dressy to rugged and everything in between. Personally, I love the sturdiness that they provide compared to more casual shoes and of course the extra few inches that it adds to my height. I would stay away from hiking boots and gear more towards other dressier boots. The three key styles I would like you to decide between are the chukka i.e something like Clark's desert boots, the Chelsea and the Derby. I would suggest getting one pair out of these three key styles. My personal pick for guys who don't have super wide feet would be a brown Chelsea boot but for guys with super wide feet, I would suggest Clark's desert boots.


3) Casual shoes: Casual shoes for when you are out and about. Key styles here would include vans, chuck taylors or loafers. My personal pick for guys 30 and above, loafers. For everyone else anything non-running shoes are fine.



The perfect pair of jeans is a MUST for any man's wardrobe. Invest wisely and you will spend as much time out of them as you do in them.

1) Dark Denim: Do yourself a favour and get one right now! Make sure it's dark [almost indigo-esque] and doesn't have a lot of distressing and whiskering.

2) The casual blue: A little less dark and a little more distressed for your evenings with the boys. Stay away from stonewash

3) The sexy black: The black jeans is going to single handed-ly take your sexiness from here _ to here -.

My suggestion having one pair of each. And absolutely no but bling on any of your jeans.

There are so many different cuts of jeans available on the market. Stick to slim or straight. Those two cuts will be the most flattering.



One cannot live on jeans alone. Chinos are casual cotton pants for those days when it's too hot to wear jeans. My suggestion would be to definitely get the khaki chino.



You are a grown ass man and grown ass man don't wear shorts. And absolutely never ever cargo shorts.



Ah yes, the short sleeve t-shirt, how can we forget. Get some crew or v necks in black, white and grey. Make sure the V isn't too deep. To up your style game opt for a henley instead of a traditional t-shirt. Absolutely under no circumstances should you wear any t-shirt with big ass logos on them. Solid, simple, and clean. Style should always be simple but never basic.



Invest in some nice dress shirts for your more formal occasions and casual Oxford Collared Button Downs for your more casual looks. Highly recommend, getting a few of these. Tip: Medium blue looks great on everybody, regardless of your skin colour, eye colour and/or hair colour.



Every man needs that one perfect suit. Black for funerals. Light and charcoal grey, and blue suits are excellent additions to your wardrobe.



Sometimes it gets chilly and you need that sweet jacket. Peacoats, denim and leather jackets are all extremely stylish.


Now last and definitely THE MOST IMPORTANT factor in upping your style game is the FIT. Gentleman, if the fit of your clothes is not on point, it does not matter what you are wearing you will look like shit. Your clothes need to fit you perfectly! Size down. Try the smaller size. Try out sizes at different retailers or pay the tailor tax but trust me, clothes that fit properly are 191935902135 better than clothes that drape you.


Some more important things:

1) Everything above is a suggestion, they are meant to be taken as guidelines and moulded to your age, preferences, and location.

2) The internet has a vast amount of information on style. Read and filter out based on your personal preferences. Don't like wearing t-shirts? Don't and swap them out for something else that you feel like a million bucks in.

3) Don't be afraid to be bold, take risks and express yourself through your clothes. No, improving your fashion sense and/or being bold is not gay

4) Remember fit is the most important factor in how you look in your clothes.

5) Never ever will you ever wear a t-shirt with that stupid eagle on it with your baggy ass jeans with your white socks and sneakers.

6) No shame in being the best-dressed guy in the room.

7) As a man, your clothes should signify power, status and your masculine physique aka broad shoulders and slim waist aka the V.

8) 'Slim and Trim' - Remember these words when buying clothing

9) Vertical Stripes make you look taller

10) Always match your belt with your shoes - It gives the appearance of longer legs

11) You can never go wrong with a White T-shirt and Blue jeans

12) And don't be an idiot here. If you are in a tough financial situation and can barely afford to pay your rent, don't go out and buy $300 pair of shoes.


Further readings:

1) https://www.youtube.com/user/RealMenRealStyle/videos

2) https://www.youtube.com/user/AlphaMconsulting/videos [look up his style makeovers to see how big of a difference it makes]

3) http://www.primermagazine.com/

4) http://www.fashionbeans.com/

5) http://www.ties.com/blog/mens-dress-shoe-guide

6) [slash R slash] malefashionadvice/

[–]DownrightCynical 199 points200 points  (46 children)

Nice post, but I don't know if I buy into the hate on the shorts. There are plenty of times shorts look nice with specific combinations, not to mention that shorts are almost a necessity in 100 + degree weather like what we have here in Vegas. Boardshorts are also a great option for those living in the Cali area, and generally Kenneth Cole shows how nicer shorts really look great. I agree cargos are typically not appropriate for style engagement, but tearing down shorts altogether because of this isnt warranted.

[–]Turkerthelurker 74 points75 points  (16 children)

Exactly. Come down south, and then please do tell us more about shorts OP.

Feel free to stop in Southern California facing 120+ degree heat, Nevada and Arizona regularly reaching 110+, and Texas already at 95+ (and more humid than Satan's ballsack in Houston/Dallas).

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 29 points30 points  (7 children)

Also if I dont wear shorts how are these bitches going to know about my massive quads?

I'll probably fall into the less formal spectrum on TRP but you can have good style wearing shorts, tees and even tanks. Tanks are difficult but if you go more towards the hip/artsy side with some colored patterning or artsy pictures instead of the douche side with logos/tribals or other crap and you have the arms to back it up its a good casual look.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Shorts are traditional American wear. See this post, Tony likes shorter shorts & so do I.

[–]darnellthelemonboy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

a good rule is usually no longer than 6 inch inseam, at least for me.

[–]el_superbeastooo 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Tanks are key in the summertime. Same rules apply: no logos, good fit and basic colors.

[–]RedpillPIjonson 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I don't know how important this is with most people but I cannot stand logos on any of my clothes. Its a turnoff to the point where I don't want to buy a shirt, even if I like the way it looks, if it has a an overly noticeable logo on it. I'll look for one like it without the logo I'm a budget clothes shopper for now so maybe higher end clothing doesn't have this problem.(would be interested in knowing)

[–]el_superbeastooo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I haven't worn anything with a logo or image in years, just solid basic color tees and tanks. Once you go into the higher end you have much better quality fabric but not necessarily logos and stuff. I personally can't stand being a walking billboard, all I wear is cheap h&m, American apparel and Frank & oak stuff. Just good fitting basics.

[–]8n0n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know how important this is with most people but I cannot stand logos on any of my clothes.

Same thing, I don't like the idea of selling/advertising other brands when the point of clothing is for utility (warmth/comfort and safety in bush environments) and selling yourself (personal style/fashion to some extent).

I'm not paid to be a walking billboard so clothe myself accordingly.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If your goal is to show off then they're key. If your goal is to look good then a nice slim fit shirt wins every time.

I don't dislike tanks though, I like to show off my arms/shoulders just like everyone else. I think that they're best left to if you're going to somewhere near a beach or at a music festival.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same with florida, I'd fucking die wearing pants some days.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

As an Arizonian.. yeah I'm gonna wear my shorts. And look good doing it too.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Agreed. And while we're on the topic, shorts should not go past your knee caps. Those are capri pants. For most guys, just above the knee cap works best.

[–]Third_Foundation 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Capris are for chicks, and short shorts are for chicks. Board shorts to the knee are standard dude shorts, no one wants to see your quads.

[–]cjsenecal 0 points1 point  (1 child)

9" inseam should be the max.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It depends on your leg length. Tall guys will need longer shorts. I'm 6'2" and I wear 10.5" inseam shorts that stop just above my knee.

[–]Prinz_von_Kirchberg 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Slim Bermuda shorts all the way in summer combined with a shirt or slim fit polo shirt to look fit and some bright leather loafers.

And if you got calves of god even better.

[–]RPAussie 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This. Shorts are almost a requirement here in summer.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I find that a good tank top/swim shorts combo can look pretty bitchin as well if the colours match up as well. Also great for working out, the airflow is fantastic.

[–]lodro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shorts are a nice touch also if you have massive ripped calves like you all probably should by now.

[–]icecow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying there aren't good shorts, but I think shorts in general are an eyesore plague. They are so convenient (read lazy), and it's so hot in areas the people who wear them rationalize them away as 'looking fine' when two thirds of them look like trash.

If you wear shorts be honest with yourself how you look in them, because if you accept bad shorts you will also rationalize wearing that style for the next 2-3 decades.

[–]CounterTony 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shorts aren't bad, but they are overworn. Takes more thought than throwing on jeans and literally any shirt to still look presentable. But there's no reason to shit on shorts because they're "youthful." Vans are associated with Warped Tour and skateboarders, yet are still appropriate for grown-ass men, etc.

[–]frys180 80 points81 points  (5 children)

Remember gents. The best attire you can wear is a fit body. Otherwise it's like putting lipstick on a pig. Literally and figuratively.

[–]__ZEAL__ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Exactly. While good clothes can give you even more of an edge, good clothes can't make you fit and masculine. It's a band aid that a lot of people will use for lack of time at the gym.

[–]Benny757 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. A white t shirt and jeans can be a disaster...with that buttery beer gut being sported. Fit first.

[–]BJS_1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, have a chest to impress. Wear cheap v necks all summer

[–]najaanwe 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. - Leonardo Da Vinci

The biggest mistake I notice people make, but the easiest to rectify, is making things complicated-- minimalism is the way to go. Avoid logos for the most part. Avoid overly distinctive pieces of clothing. Avoid weathered or purposely ripped clothing etc. In short: Avoid pieces of clothing which you couldn't wear two days in a row without other people noticing it.

Why so strict?

By keeping things simple you gain several benefits: You can mix and match your clothing more since there's less that clashes when you do mix. You therefore need to buy less clothing. You therefore spend less money. Matching clothes also becomes an easier affair.

People think simplicity in clothing is dull, but the opposite is true-- it will make you stand out from the crowd in these times of excess.

[–]Theophagist 24 points25 points  (18 children)

My personal pick for guys 30 and above, loafers

LOL fuck you, whipper snapper. I was wearing chucks before you were born.

[–]ChrisBenRoy 10 points11 points  (16 children)

This. I'm agreeing w/ the "no running shoes/Jordans/etc.." but those loafers look like they would be worn by some 65 year old college professor. Nothing wrong w/ properly coordinated Vans, Chucks, Sambas, or boat shoes for when you need to be a bit formal.

[–]iliketreeslikereally 4 points5 points  (12 children)

Heh, the difference between Americans and Europeans.

You see a grown man wearing vans, it just looks weird. Like a woman in her 30s or 40s who's still wearing short skirts and tops, it reeks of sadness and lack of maturity and self-awareness.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 2 points3 points  (2 children)

ChrisBemRoy is right, wear loafers and you'll look like a 65+ year old retired history teacher. At least in Europe. No one can pull them off unless they wear a monocle and use a cane.

[–]iliketreeslikereally 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Eh, I see guys my age (22) wear them all the time (well, not all the time, but enough for me to notice), it comes down to regional differences and personal ability to pull it off.

They should be worn as part of a complete, classy look. If you wear them with casual clothes you will indeed looks stupid and old.

I mean come on guys, hipsters have made it possible for us, we can wear old school clothing and look cooler instead of lame.

Loafers can be different too, subtle stylistic choices can make them look more modern than other counteparts.

In any case, you can simply opt for dress shoes (oxfords and the like) which are great. There is NO excuse for sneakers and vans.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eh, I see guys my age (22) wear them all the time (well, not all the time, but enough for me to notice), it comes down to regional differences and personal ability to pull it off.

What region is that?

I mean come on guys, hipsters have made it possible for us, we can wear old school clothing and look cooler instead of lame.

In other words, you can become a hipster and think you're cooler than all other hipsters that think they're cooler than other hipsters.

Loafers can be different too, subtle stylistic choices can make them look more modern than other counteparts.

Why bother in the first place? Sure, you can wear a Pharrell hat and make it a fashion statement if you have the status and confidence, but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

[–]lightenday 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People are downvoting you but it's the truth.

[–]lacinyc 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Not sure what part of Europe you're from, but, while I'm not a fan myself, there are lots of guys in their late 20s/early 30s wearing Vans or more casual shoes.

Running shoes are in here too, and a nice white pair with black jeans looks great. Also have to disagree with Henleys adding style; they are tacky and unnecessary.

[–]iliketreeslikereally 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Henleys are tacky lol? You sound like you grew up in a monastery.

The denial of some guys that are dressing like 5 year olds is just awe-inspiring.

At this point arguments don't even work, only ridicule, like with the religious. Henleys are tacky jesus fucking christ lol

[–]lacinyc 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yeah, Henleys are tacky. A nice crew neck/polo neck looks FAR better.

Call it denial all you will. One thing I've always been complimented on is my sense of style, so I'd like to think I'm doing something right there.

Henleys were in like 5 years ago in the UK, if not longer ago. Now you will just look silly wearing one.

[–]iliketreeslikereally 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Hey, maybe it's out of style where you live, in this case I take my ridicule back. It just sounded like you were an American who wears nothing but T-Shirts because Henleys is "trying too hard".

A polo is the best choice in my opinion too, classy and simple.

[–]RedWinter88 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I wouldn't necessarily say tassel loafers that a business man wears.

While chucks are still a great choice for any age, I also love me a good driving loafer (currently have the J&M Hardiman penny loafer). For example, I'd wear chucks to the amusement park with a tshirt but I'd wear my driving loafers to a 4th of July cookout with a polo.

[–]Igetitnow2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think I'm going to get those loafers, do you wear socks with them?

[–]RedWinter88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Employee told me yes. I wear the no show loafer socks (uniqlo ones work well with these). Some days I just say fuck it and go sockless, but usually that's what I have sperries for. Should be okay sockless.

[–]Reddthrown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He could have picked a nice pair at least, not the dangly horror in his pic.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Always dress like the man you want to be; never like any other man. Women notice a well dressed man, everywhere, all the time, period. Thanks for the post. I've been thinking about culling my wardrobe and adding some pieces. On that shit now...

[–]Churoflip 68 points69 points  (9 children)

''You are a grown ass man and grown ass man don't wear shorts''

What an asinine statement, I want to see you dealing with hot ass weather around 120, and tell me how you like it with your raw denim

[–]1mr_nate_ 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Yeah, Alpha M's youtube channel has some good shorts wearing suggestions. Non-baggy, tapered thigh shorts look great.

[–]sorceryofthetesticle 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Tapered thigh shorts are fucking ugly. They are just as bad as capris in that they offer no discernible shape. Ugly near skin-tight abominations of fashion that belong on women. I don't care if they are trendy or help you get laid, they are straight up faggy. Even baggy 90s style shorts are more interesting. At least those are useful and offer better airflow.

For style, slightly short Bermudas are where it's at though. Get to show off your quads and everything, they aren't so goddamn hot, and you can wear them with a tucked in shirt and not look like an upside down candle.

[–]1mr_nate_ 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Get outta here sonny jim, if you can't wear shorts it's 'cause you're ugly and "faggy" not the shorts.

[–]sorceryofthetesticle 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Still can't get on board with that even though the taper isn't so dramatic. The rolled up hem is goofy. Plus you couldn't do shit in those things, they'd bunch up in the crotch and stick to your legs if you did anything more than walk at a leisurely pace, which is supremely annoying. Why restrict your ability to move? There are simply better short pant options. And lol, homedog needs a new belt. It has nothing to do with the rest of the outfit, it looks flimsy and it's way too long. What the fuck is that rat tail trailing off into his pocket, hahaha. I guess it's alright at drawing attention to the hips, it helps distract from the lack of muscularity.

I'm sorry if that's you.

[–]1mr_nate_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yee, I agree with the rolled up stuff, but when we say tapered shorts we don't mean CAPRIS LOL, we mean non-baggy shorts that fit to the form of the leg better. Either your sense of style is so next level scum like us can't understand it or you're missing out.

[–]iliketreeslikereally 4 points5 points  (0 children)

LoL calm down mister I'm-afraid-of-looking-like-some-faggot. Well-fitted clothes look best on both women and men.

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He did say that those were suggestions.

[–]Akela_hk 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Try never wearing shorts in Florida, then get back to me.

[–]50pluspiller 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I personally don't like your choice of boots, but I am 50+. Cowboy boots, and tactical boots, can also be good options. I get more compliments on my highly polished black cowboy boots with silver toe tips. Some men may shy away from such a bold fashion statement but you can certainly get plain.

I stay away from shorts in public but doing yard work in 95 plus temps in the mid Atlantic, shorts are a must.

[–]rundownweather 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Way i see it, the older you are, the better you can rock cowboy boots, hats, and even those necklace things. There is a certain Western mystique about it that makes them better with age.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm 17 living in one of the biggest cities in the US. I often wear cowboy boots going out. In fact, I wear the same jeans and boots that I wore bull riding - only difference is a clean button down or tight collared shirt. I guess it makes me stand out from all the hipster city kids here. I've gotten, "you look like you just walked off a ranch" a few times.

I'm going to college in Europe, so we'll see how my beloved pair of beaten up boots go over there.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (9 children)

Good article, and for the majority of us who are in the first world, and work in white-collar jobs or 'white-collar' university degrees, this advice is really good. TRP always says to make sure we dress appropriately, but the specifics have generally been lacking until now.

Some guys might try and come on and say that worrying about this sort of stuff is beta or feminine or whatever - but honestly, the better you look, the better every aspect of your life starts to become. Moreover, I'm pretty sure the only reason people don't think much of men's fashion is because for most of the history of the developed world, men have always dressed pretty well in public. It's just now that we see these guys in their 20s and older still dressing like boys. I'm just glad that men's fashion is a lot more simple than women's fashion.

You seem to have a pretty good idea of what looks good, so wondering what advice you'd give for belts, and whether shirts should be tucked in/circumstances for shirt-tucking. Thanks.

[–]1theoctopuss 11 points12 points  (2 children)

The belt should always match the shoes. Brown or black, with a steel latch. Darker guys can pull off gold, but if you're a light er complexion always go with steel color.

[–]CounterTony 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The belt should complement your shoes, rather than matching it. It's okay to have a lighter/darker shade of brown than your brown shoes. It's more peculiar if you have a matching tone for every single pair of shoes you wear.

A man should be able to pull together an outfit fairly easily by just reaching into his closet because everything complements each other. Girls have specific outfits where [a] has to go with [b]; men can pick out one pair of pants and reach into a bundle of a dozen shirts and know that they'll all look good.

Women have outfits, men have style.

[–]RPAussie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shirts can be made specifically to be worn tucked in or untucked, and you can generally identify it by looking at the shirt tails.

If the tails hang lower and the shirt drapes halfway down your legs when untucked, it should be tucked in. If it's all pretty even length around the bottom end of the shirt and doesn't drape too far past your belt line (say 1/3 down the fly), it should look fine untucked.

Dress shirts will likely have the longer tails, so the shirt is less likely to become untucked as you go about your day.

[–]iliketreeslikereally 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Always try to match accesories by color and style (belt, scarf, gloves, watch, etc), it creates a look that feels "complete".

[–]justinjj1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It depends on where you live also. I guarantee if I dressed in half the shit OP posted I would look like a fucking faggot to everyone here in east Texas.

[–]blahsd_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So, living in Milano and still being regarded as a person who dress nicely and with purpose, I came into this post looking for the usual faux pas the internet is full of when it comes to fashion, so that I could try to lament at least some of the things that usually plague this kind of post. But this - this is really good. I could not really say there's anything you shouldn't really really take the time to internalise.

EDIT: oh yeah, maybe one thing you didn't mention but it really valuable is this:

Leathers are to be matched.

So, brown shoes go with brown belts, black shoes go with black belts. I'd say this is a rule pretty much set in stone you should not deviate from. If possible, although I understand this might come harder, watch straps and wallet should be matching too, if they're leather at all. The same goes for metals: if you have a metal ring or bracelet or watch straps etc. they should all be metal/silver/whiteish OR all gold/bronze/brass/yellowish. No mix and matching allowed.

[–]HiGuysiamkewl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember the first time I stumbled upon the magic of the Henley tee. Undergrad freshman in college, I never did laundry so I grab my brothers shirt off the floor after it passed the smell test. I was in the best shape of my life at this point thanks to high school. Seniors got to double down on P.E. classes, I had weight training in the morning, and team sports in the afternoon. Anyways the reaction I got from wearing my brothers Henley was so well received, he never saw that shirt again.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children)

Serious, what shoes would you recommend for just everyday things??? My main shoes are chucks and I need an upgrade.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I don't know how you wear Chucks. They're uncomfortable as hell. Even walking for prolonged periods in them are a bugger, never mind running or jumping. It's like going out with just socks on.

[–]tmnt88 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The new Chuck's have a better sole and a inside liner that's supposed to be softer then the canvas the old ones have.. I'm about to go buy some and try them out. They still have the old look but are more comfy. Maybe try those if you still want to wear chucks

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

When I want to wear something like Chucks, I wear Vision hi-tops. Better sole and fairly sturdy, too.

[–]tmnt88 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'll look into those.. can you give examples on something other then t-shirts or v necks with jeans that looks good with that style shoes?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My dress sense isn't to everyone's taste, but I generally wear my blue Visions with a basic pair of grey or dark green pants and a black shirt.

[–]cjsenecal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Get a pair of Adidas Stan Smith gum soles. They're clean, comfortable, and go with all casual wear.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Me personally, i wear boat shoes (got 4 different pairs) and penny loafers for fair weather, occasional sneaker mixed in for ultra casual things. Rugged weather i'll wear different kind of mid and high boots. Dress shoes only work with suits imo, most other pants will just be too much fabric obscuring the dress shoe (which is a tight slim shoe type) and make it look like you are wearing a pajamas.

[–]RedWinter88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd say some white canvas vans. Although white leather shoes are also a good upgrade. Stan smiths in white or Jack Purcells are classics for under $100. IMO, the shoes at J.Crew are usually good starting points for what shoes are stylish.

[–]pisspoordecisions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any men's shoe on J-crews website is an upgrade over chucks

[–]module_process 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Your clothing communicates a lot about who you are as a person.

Definitely. Dressing well can boost your confidence and presence, especially around women and the workplace. This article goes over a few things for overweight men. The gist being that if you're in the process of shedding the extra pounds, don't wait; your goal should be to look the best for the body shape you have now.

[–]CornyHoosier 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Just remember what ZZ Top always said: "Every girl's crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man."

[–]grabbinbuttz 10 points11 points  (13 children)

I used to be a floor model for Ralph Lauren. Everything here is spot on (except for the lack of shorts) but overall spot on. Most importantly do not afraid to be better dressed than everyone else.

[–]__ZEAL__ 6 points7 points  (4 children)

To add to this... Be prepared for the comments of people who are dressed worse, that become insecure around you and your better clothes. It will instantly become a negative point of discussion around a lot of insecure men, but will be an instant positive discussion around women most of the time.

[–]JCDchameleon 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I can't stress this point enough. As a current university student in NY, one of the first things that happened when I came home to my small west coast town was people saying "Why are you trying so hard"

At no point should you let people who don't care about the things you do get to you. Just as you don't let middle schoolers tutor you in math you don't let slackers dictate how you look. Put in the effort, do the research, let everything run it's course.

[–]Battle-Scars 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Comeback with "why are you not even trying".

[–]greatslyfer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Indeed... it's very annoying to hear nearby insecure men shit talk about you. They focus on me instead of focusing on themselves.

[–]__ZEAL__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rather than find it annoying, revel in it. If you've done your job well, it means you've become a threat in their eyes. Relish that. People talking about you is exactly what you want. People that aren't talked about, are essentially invisible. You don't want to be invisible.

[–]homelessWOOKIE9 4 points5 points  (1 child)

How the fuck am I supposed to show off my thunder quads and ass I worked so hard for :'( Great guide OP, but grab some tight "fit just right" short shorts and there is no better fashion piece to show off powerful legs

[–]The_Southern_Dem 8 points9 points  (7 children)

tfw I only own cargo shorts for my summer wardrobe

[–]mananlak 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As someone who lives in Miami I've moved away from shorts and I've started to wear light weight chinos instead. Looks classier, still allows my legs to breathe fine.

[–]RedWinter88 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Just lose the cargo pockets on the sides and you should be fine.

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[–]__ZEAL__ 1 point2 points  (4 children)

In the winter it's more like at least 500, summer isn't so bad. Good looking coats and winter boots are expensive though. Even getting a Guess wool coat(they are about the cheapest good looking wool coats out there that are actually warm, better brands will cost over 600 for a coat) on sale was still 250 down from over 400.

For those wondering, yes you can find winter boots that keep your feet warm and still look similar to desert boots. They will just be slightly expensive. I paid just under 250 for mine, but it was one of the best choices clothing wise I've made.

Summer is far easier to get away with cheaper clothes, provided that one has been doing their damned job and keeping their body in good shape. During summer, clothes matter far less than your body does(in comparison to winter, where people will often be seeing your outerwear instead). In winter, I dress expensively. In summer, I could get away with wearing cheap shit so long as it fit well because my body looks good. If you look good, pricey isn't always necessary.

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[–]__ZEAL__ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Being fashion oriented doesn't necessarily remove quality. High end shit is made better. And I'm not sure what anything in this comment has to do with what I said, as it is it seems completely irrelevant.

[–]CypherWolf21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think expensive clothes make you beta bucks. A well tailored suit will cost thousands but will massively improve your SMV. Same thing with shoes, coats and pretty much all clothes.

[–]1DRMMR76 2 points3 points  (2 children)

For us Texans or other people in the American Southwest, don't discount cowboy boots either. No, they're not for everyone or every occasion. But if you're going out to the honky tonk (if that's your thing instead of booty shaking ghetto clubs) or even to someplace formal, a well worn or classy respectively pair of cowboy boots can really tie a good outfit together.

Dress for your environment and for your target group of women. The 18-21yo white sorority girls at a Texas country bar tend to like the "cowboy" (but not a real cowboy) look. You still have to be clean, fit, attractive, and put together a good outfit, but you can go a long way with those kind of women with a nice pair of jeans, cowboy boots, and a tucked in button down.

Also, as for shorts, some people live in places were the early evening temperature, right about when you're dressing to go out, can be above 110-120F, and not drop below 95 the whole night. Again, dress for your environment and target group. What works in New York City might not play as well in Houston or Phoenix.

Other than those two things, very good post. I want to see more of this sort of thing on here. It's very helpful for those of us who never learned about fashion or trends in high school or from brothers/fathers. Some (a LOT) of guys can reach their 30s and above dressing terribly simply because no one in their lives has ever told them what looks bad or good.

Come to think of it, personally tailored fashion advice from a style-inclined man to style challenged men would be a hell of a good small business idea. All these articles are nice, but a lot are vague and very generalized. A man who can take another man to a clothing store and say "this looks good on you" or "this doesn't, don't wear anything like this" could make a pretty penny in some places.

[–]RPAussie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Come to think of it, personally tailored fashion advice from a style-inclined man to style challenged men would be a hell of a good small business idea. All these articles are nice, but a lot are vague and very generalized. A man who can take another man to a clothing store and say "this looks good on you" or "this doesn't, don't wear anything like this" could make a pretty penny in some places.

For sure. The menswear author/designer Alan Flusser got his start doing this.

[–]RedWinter88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Op linked to Alpha M, he currently does a series where he takes people who dress like shit, and basically does a wardrobe makeover. Personally I'd have fun doing this but then again how many of your friends do you know we're willing to pay someone cash for this when you can't even get them to replace old ratty sneakers.

I'll give it a go, if anyone reading this wants my advice send me a PM with what you need help with and I will give you advice and recommendations.

[–]odkken 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What kind of boot is this guy wearing?

[–]RedWinter88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plain toe brown boot? I'm not too much of a boot guy but Red Wings look like a good start... Possibly red Wing Rangers ?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So I shouldn't bedazzle something sassy on the back of my jeans?

[–]Godtiermasturbator 9 points10 points  (9 children)

MFA will make you dress effeminately

[–]__ZEAL__ 3 points4 points  (4 children)

A lot of their looks and ideas are absolutely terrible, more about the whole concept of looking different rather than looking the best they can.

The sidebar stuff is mostly solid though. Since I've followed the guidelines, I've never looked better clothing wise, and have never been complimented so much(didn't do badly before, but it wasn't the best).

People make clothes effeminate. If you've been doing your job at the gym, even the most hipster shit won't look effeminate.

[–]Godtiermasturbator 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I disagree about the gym thing. There are in shape guys on there that look like they were dressed by the feminist womyn they orbit.

[–]__ZEAL__ 8 points9 points  (2 children)

95% of people that post to that subreddit look like a noodle. And the ones that are actually at a decent level of fitness can make some things that look completely effeminate on noodles, actually work. Only because they actually look like men rather than ramen.

[–]cjsenecal 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I agree with both of your comments here. MFA's guidelines in the sidebar are very well written and have helped me a ton, but a lot of the posts in the WAYWT threads are scrawny dudes mainly wearing clothes I never would.

[–]__ZEAL__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, none of the stuff they post to show off their "style", would I ever touch. It looks terrible.

[–]garlicextract[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And make you broke... frugal male fashion is better for us poors not making $200k

[–]1nzgs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Straight jeans? For the "dad-look"? This is why I don't take style tips from Americans.

[–]justanotherromney 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You are a grown ass man and grown ass man don't wear shorts.

fuck you man. skys out, thighs out

[–]HailSaban666 12 points13 points  (5 children)

You lost me when you suggested Vans and Chuck Taylors. Lol

[–]TRPrinny 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I'm not sure why, but I've just never found Chucks flattering on people at all.

They were one of the shoes of choice of middle and high schoolers, so maybe they just come off as immature to me, like the cargo shorts of shoes. The design itself also makes me think of clown shoes or bowling shoes.

[–]Kingspot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol lost me at jean jackets.

[–]Corndog_Enthusiast 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Nothing wrong with vans if they're a solid color like in the picture. The color and profile is most important IMO, just make sure you don't have massive branding pasted all over or you will look like a 6th grader.

[–]cjsenecal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Also Chuck Taylors are perfect for lifting.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Does anyone have a resource they could recommend for good quality v-necks??

[–]Reddthrown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Levis' - you can get a pack of quality t-shirts at a good price.

[–]cjsenecal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I bought a few slim fitting v-necks from Express that are really comfortable and lightweight.

[–]el_superbeastooo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wear the organic stretch cotton v-necks from h&m daily. They're about 10$ each, last a decent while, and come in basic colors. Not the best quality but they do look good if you've been hitting the gym.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I bought 10 of the Banana Republic Soft-wash V-neck off of ebay a few years back in several colors.

To be fair: with the weightlifting I've been doing in the last 3 months, I may have to buy another set in a size up soon

[–]weatherstorme 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I understand fit is a huge deal, so I'm wondering if I should hold off on buying more expensive clothing (suits, dress shirts, ect) until I cut some more weight (20 to 30 pounds)?

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Now focus on that weight. You need those suits.

[–]2ChainZinMedSchool 1 point2 points  (0 children)

best low cost fitted sexy chinos on the market = Αlpha dockers; google em; they don't fade, easy to iron, good material. Bought every color, have them for at least 4 years now. ~15-50$, get em on sale.

[–]The_Man11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Half this stuff won't even fit if you're a bro who lifts.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

OP, you look like an awkward-tryhard faggot if you're wearing jeans in the summer.

[–]mananlak 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's why he also recommended light weight chinos, my preference over shorts. I live in Miami and I still stay away from shorts.

[–]jason-funk 0 points1 point  (3 children)

tips cargo shorts

so that's why you're on reddit instead of getting laid

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It's 88 degrees, why is that guy wearing pants? Does he not train his legs? Did he read one article online about how it isn't masculine/stylish to wear cargo shorts and then take it to heart? Ewww why is he sweating so much? He looks gross.

[–]jason-funk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

why is he wearing cargo shorts? they're so baggy. does he have autism? he must not realize chinos and flat front shorts are a thing. why is he wearing such ugly shoes? he obviously doesn't know how to take care of himself. does he use all those pockets? I'll bet he keeps action figures and candy in those pockets, maybe a picture of his anime girlfriend. i am outright shocked he isn't wearing a fedora. what do they call them, incels i think?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol. No one wears baggy cargos you autist and everyone wears them. Of course some look stupid. If you know how to buy clothes, yours won't. You're trying to make up for the fact that you were born ugly by projecting that feeling that you've had your whole life on people who wear cargo shorts.

Nice copy pasta also greasy lookin ass.

[–]Jigsus 3 points4 points  (3 children)

You can absolutely be overdressed. You don't want to be that guy that shows up in a suit to informal events.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

When I was a teenager, a lot of guys my age did that, hoping to look older. They looked like they were trying way too hard, if you're out with the objective of getting fucked up, do you really want to be wearing clothes that you actually care about.

[–]Reddthrown 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yep. My instant impression of the guy in a suit in OP's post was: "intern".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's probably the best case scenario. Worst is that they look like their parents are forcing them to go to church.

[–]trippinallday 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Pretty good except for the shoes. If you roll up in a pair of high top converse or some Chelsea's you're gonna look like a cuck.

Also you better be ripped as fuck if you're gonna wear a v neck. Steer clear otherwise.

[–]1ToSeeAndToHear 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Don't have to be all that ripped for a v-neck to look decent / better than other t-shirts. Sure it's better if ripped, and bad if fat, but just slim and a little muscular is all you need.

[–]homelessWOOKIE9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah just get a medium V and then hit the gym and grow into it ;)

[–]BlueChilli 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There are fancy Chelsea's like the ones the OP chose to highlight.

Then there are the original Chelsea's that are workboots. Like Blundstone.

I wear my Blundstone's every day, but I don't think I would like a pair of fancy dress ones. Just seems weird.

[–]vagbutters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always save posts like these because they have very good fashion tips-- something that every man constantly has to keep up-to-date with. I love my chukkas, I love my tailored clothing, and I love being the center of female attention in the room when I walk in because of my apparel and body.

[–]acetylcysteine 0 points1 point  (9 children)

You should add a section for accessories such as watches, wallets, sunglasses, etc.

[–]blahsd_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should add a section for accessories such as watches, wallets, sunglasses, etc.

Mentioned it in my comment.

Leathers are to be matched. So, brown shoes go with brown belts, black shoes go with black belts. I'd say this is a rule pretty much set in stone you should not deviate from. If possible, although I understand this might come harder, watch straps and wallet should be matching too, if they're leather at all. The same goes for metals: if you have a metal ring or bracelet or watch straps etc. they should all be metal/silver/whiteish OR all gold/bronze/brass/yellowish. No mix and matching allowed.

[–]tmnt88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And hats..as a balding guy I like to wear hats and feel uncomfortable without one lol

[–]SalomonG18 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"5) Never ever will you ever wear a t-shirt with that stupid eagle on it with your baggy ass jeans with your white socks and sneakers."

Well shit... Guess I'm in need of a new wardrobe. Been slimming down lately but still wear my loose fit Levis and half my shirts have logos. can't wait till I rack up a couple 100s to look better. Thanks OP!

What about socks?

[–]pisspoordecisions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just remember "if it flies it dies" when picking out clothes

[–]erikor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have all of that stuff except the black shoes and i'm planning on getting some. Also the only suit i have is black and i'd like to have abother one but i'd never use it so it would be a waste of money.

[–]aedormouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd like to recommend the Masculine Style blog, the man goes deeper than "you should wear this and that", and tries to teach others how to dress well and how to develop your own style.

[–]wolloda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd add that a nice watch is essential when it comes to accessories. A leather wristwatch band's color should match with a belt & shoes as well.

[–]throwaweight7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only thing that matters is silhouette.

[–]tiny_d3v 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]cjsenecal 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm gonna assume 'lifting' is going to be one of the seven posts. I would've put that first and this second. Nobody wants to spend a lot of money on a new wardrobe and then get in shape (assuming they're out of shape).

[–]RedWinter88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your shoe size won't change at least and IMO, your outfit starts at the shoes.

[–]recc42 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What about the shirts? inside the pants or outside?

[–]RedWinter88 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not sure what ur referring too, but tucked in is more formal, so for like work or a fancy dinner. Untucked if it's casual like at a bar or Chillin with the boys

[–]recc42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm referring exactly to what you are answering, i just didn't know the proper expression for it.

[–]Benny757 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like this. Very helpful post, and advice. I would add, that what ever you choose to wear, own it. Particularly if you swag, or peacock. Be unashamed, and cool about your garnish and your style. Make it you.

[–]JungleSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Usually you can find a tailor who will get you two made to measure suits for $800-$1k, which when you compare to a 'good' off the rack suit with tailoring is only a few hundred more. I'm just swallowing the pill, but I've always had 'custom' suits and it's a sure fire way to be asked out to places where women want an excuse to wear that little red/black dress.

[–]RedWinter88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Other tidbits of advice: 1. Clothing doesn't have to be expensive, I try on clothes in store and just leave. Wait for a sale and then buy. Most retailers have a sale every week.

  1. Quality- some things just deserve to be quality. A $300 pair of Allen Edmonds shoes will last you years while $80 department store shoes will last maybe a year.

3- if you lift, which you should, check out clothes with "stretch". Banana republic makes traveler jeans which are some stretch in them for those of you with thunder thighs.

4- op linked some of my favorite resources. AlphaM and RMRS are good. Will recommend Ashleyweston.com, she is a celebrity men's wear stylist and goes over basics with budget and designer recommendations. Dappered.com is really good at following sales and knowing which items to buy from where (Banana Republic Single Monks for $60!??! Hnnnnggg)

5- underwear, because I got addicted and once you step up to quality underwear you will NEVER go back to the cheap "6 for $12" crap. MicroModal fabric is like an angel holding your twig and berries. Uniqlo Airism is a good entry into better underwear before you break out into the $15/pair of micro modal stuff.

6- I'm fine with shorts, but no cargo pockets. Should be a slim fit and sit right at the top of the knee or slightly higher. If the legs can "balloon like a parachute" then the opening is too wide.

7- contradicting what I said earlier... But the JcPenny Deacon boot goes on sale for like $60, and is good value for a brown wingtip boot that can be worn to work on gloomy days or worn to the bars with jeans. My go to shoe when I don't want to ruin my nicer more expensive pairs.

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And this is why we keep telling people to LIFT THE GODDAMN WEIGHTS!!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shorts can most definitely be rocked in the correct context. Only to be worn in leisure settings (pool, beach, patio bar, cruise, vacation etc..)

Shorts should not extend past slightly above the knee. Cargo shorts and jean capris look dumb. (Talking about that style of shorts that go down to your ankles.)

I got a few great pairs of shorts on sale from asos that I found a coupon code for at frugal male fashion. These are great for those casual / vacation type situations most of their styles are very tasteful IMO.

I also have some adidas soccer shorts for the gym that go midway down my thighs. They look good on me cause they expose a few tattoos in my thigh areas and make my legs look good. I wear them out doing daily errands and stuff but never to a bar or anything.

Also.. do not buy kohls shorts.. nothing says "my mom still shops for me" like wearing kohls shorts with plaid designs.. tony hawk brand shirts etc..

[–]ImAnAlt2016 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yo I got to ask-I live in Los Angeles. It's hot as hell here. Right now it's 104 degrees F (40 degrees C) where I'm at. Is it still not ok to ever where shorts?

I wear jeans sometimes in this weather but I sweat like a pig if I am walking in the sun for a long time while wearing jeans.

Do you have fashion advice for people living in warm climates? I used to have chinos and they were great. I'll get another pair and see how they do this summer. Thank you for this write up!

[–]SteveChiefy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only people I've met who don't wear shorts ever are ashamed of their legs are too pale skin or lack of muscle.

[–]Red_Swords 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good post overall, but one area I definitely disagree with, is the "no logos on T-shirts" rule. I've had more compliments on Slayer T-shirts than possibly any other article of clothing.

I think the key is calibrating relative to your environment. There are a lot of places I wouldn't wear a band shirt, but there are a lot of other places I wouldn't want to be seen dressing formally, either. Perception is relative to environment, and people should dress according; you don't wear nice jeans and a button-up shirt to a metal show, for example.

Good post though.

[–]esperanzablanca 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you forgot to mention accesories. A nice watch i.e

[–]AmericanHistoryAFBB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, this is great. Saving this post, thanks for putting this out there.

[–]NaughtyFred 0 points1 point  (1 child)

[–]Highgear1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doc Martins are hit-and-miss because unless you're streetwear or a hipster chick, they just come off as edgy

[–]probpoopin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Boots, I have to chime in as I'm something of a boot connoisseur. First, you will notice some boots in the plus three hundred dollar range. Yes, that is a lot for a boot. However, a lot of these companies ies who charge that much also give a lifetime guarantee on their product. Pull a sole or something and they I'll repair or send you new ones. My favorite right now, is the iron rangers. Ll bean makes a good boot too. I worked construction for a long, long time. I know boots god damnit.

As always, lift if you aren't. That's day two though. Should be lifting anyways.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

eh, solid advice for people who live in the city - what about us non city dwellers?

[–]teeelo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck you, I look great in shorts.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sure this comment will be buried but I wish some of the desirable luxury and affordable brands were listed to help us with a lacking wardrobe.

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