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Red Pill TheoryIf you want to get laid, be a toxic man (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP VanguardArchwinger

One of the big talking points of anti-male movements is the idea of “toxic masculinity”. Essentially, this concept is an argument against gender-roles. Specifically, masculine gender roles. The idea goes that society fosters this outdated, useless, ineffective, and impossible standard of manhood – something kind of like Rambo or John Wayne – which damages both men and women.

It damages women because men who are trying to be muscular, macho, aggressive, angry, manly men are, of course, all evil misogynists that treat women badly, beat women, and rape women, because nothing says, “I’m not a loser who can’t get laid” like having to resort to rape to get laid.

It damages men because 99.9999 percent of men aren’t perfect, will never look like Greek gods, will never get laid by every single girl every single time, and so on. And for some reason, this depresses men because men are told that if they aren’t eating 5,000 pounds of steroids and getting laid six times a day, they’re worthless losers. So a bunch of men are killing themselves, suffering from mental illness, and failing at life, and the reason is because they’re being held to standards that shouldn’t exist. They need to be absolved from any kind of standard and just be allowed to be!

I mean, I know that when a man isn’t getting laid, the only reason he feels bad about that is because society tells him that "real men" get laid. If nobody told him that men are supposed to want to have sex, he probably wouldn’t even miss it, right? He could easily replace that pesky desire to get laid if it were more acceptable to physically cuddle other men. That’s what men are really missing. Emotional connections and casual non-sexual touch with dudes!

I shit you not. This is something liberal crackpots actually think.

They call it the progressive movement, but honestly, we live in the age of regressive, backward-thinking. Many men are sexless and unhappy. Society has changed such that the ways to get laid that worked in the past don’t work now. The forward thinking solution would be, “We need to teach men how to get laid.” The backward thinking solution is, “Men are told that they are only ‘real men’ if they are getting laid. We need to tell them that they are still ‘real men’ in the absence of getting laid.” – essentially, regress. Tell men who are living under the old rulebook, to their detriment, to keep doing so, even though the world has moved on without them. Don’t fix the problem. Change the definition of “man” so that there is no problem.

Shit on the sidewalk, draw a circle around your turds, and label the circle “toilet”. If someone steps in your shit, tell them that you’re offended because that sidewalk identifies as a toilet. Changing definitions rules. That’s way easier than changing yourself.

Another big talking point out there is sex-positivity. That’s code for “slut-acceptance”. Also, despite its name, sex-positivity is actually a very negative mentality about sex. Sex used to be something very special, done by committed partners to create babies and as one of the ultimate expressions of love. Sex was so special that people who did sex outside of these circumstances were shamed because they were cheapening sex, cheapening love, dishonoring their partners, and so on.

But as we all know, women refraining from having sex with as many hot guys as they can is oppressive, patriarchal slavery. So society needed a “sex-positive” solution to this problem. The “sex-positive” solution was to turn sex from something important into something very trivial and unimportant. Essentially, to reduce sex from something special and intimate into something purely recreational. That way, if people have a lot of slutty sex, it’s not like they did anything important. They were just having fun. It was “just sex”. Yup. “Just sex” sounds very sex-positive to me. Now, women fuck for just about every single reason imaginable. Except love.

We live in the age of feminism, and part of feminism means that women now have free choice and agency regarding sex. Women also now have jobs and don’t need men to support them. When those historical constraints were removed from women, women began to exercise that sexual choice, and the results were unsurprising. Women want to fuck good-looking, muscular, fun guys, and don’t care that much about commitment (until their opportunities start to dry up). Interestingly, the kinds of men these strong and independent women are fucking tend to be the “toxic” kinds of men that are so discouraged.

The former preferred female gender role espoused the idea that “real women” (e.g., women that men want to marry) don’t slut around. This, of course, couldn’t stand, because, as described above, holding any gender to any kind of standard is “toxic”.

So women are slutting around, and despite all of the fun they’re having, they feel kind of bad about themselves and have shitty self-esteem. The forward-thinking solution would be, “We need to teach women to stop being sluts and to derive self-esteem from other areas of life.” But we don’t live in a forward thinking society. We live in the backward-thinking progressive society, so we need a regressive solution: “We need to teach society to stop shaming evolved, intelligent women with higher reasoning ability for giving into their instincts and acting like animals whose sole purpose is to breed by telling everybody that turning yourself into a fuck-object is empowering!” Change the female gender role so that fuck-animals who give into their hedonistic instincts are the enlightened ones while conservative girls who honor their bodies are dim-witted, oppressed slaves.

Then, tell men to stop being the kind of men these women are fucking, because it’s “toxic” for men to want sex and to behave in a manner that causes women to have sex with them. But it's also “toxic” to shame women for fucking these very men.

It’s not just women that are shit-testing you. It’s all of Western society. Your one goal in life should be to become as “toxic” as possible. Whatever your liberal friends tell you is sexist, outdated, and damaging – do precisely that. Grow big-ass muscles. Be a badass at work and get rich as hell. Fuck, be greedy. Walk up to strangers and be social – to hell with worrying about boundaries and offending people. Touch women until they stop you. If they don’t stop you, fuck them. Then don’t call the next day because you’re busy doing man shit. Everything they tell you doesn’t apply to a “real man” any more – do exactly that. Become a toxic man.

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[–]MrBowlfish 249 points250 points  (23 children)

It's funny because it's true. Western society is attempting to heavily feminize men but when you cling to traditional masculine behavior and display it prominently, women love you and people generally treat you better. It is one big shit test. Knowledge is power gentlemen.

[–]James_Rustler_ 54 points55 points  (10 children)

Maybe it's the society's new way of discovering the strongest men. Think about it, only the most secure and fit can win over their own ego.

[–]bowie747 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Nature's way

FTFY

But yes I 100% agree. We destroyed natural selection/survival of the fittest by curing just about every disease, and pairing men and women off 1:1 - against the laws of biology to which we are all constrained whether we like it or not.

Now nature has found a way, or at least an attempt, at restoring natural selection.

Enjoy the decline. Unfortunately, not everybody can survive. Only the strong.

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Curing disease doesn't "destroy natural selection/survival of the fittest". It merely shifts the definition of "fit". Instead of being measured solely in terms of how well your body can fight off a disease, it also now includes whether or not you have the resources to acquire medicines that assist in fighting diseases of which there are known cures. Tell someone in the third-world dying of tuberculosis that you are no more "fit" than them simply because you can afford the right antibiotics.

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Stay on top and you're good.

[–]vagbutters 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Maybe it's the society's new way of discovering the strongest men.

Not exactly. Feminism is the most artificial imposition upon the "natural society." As always, though, the natural desire to seek out physically fit, wealthy men is something that hasn't been erased from women's DNA. What you're seeing is the same story under a different pretense, that's all.

[–]1starting_oveRP 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's why feminism is actually the greatest shit test of all.

The supplicating dudes who subscribe to it will become orbiters and weed themselves out, while only the stronger alpha males will be left over.

Then the women can have their pick.

Quite ingenious, really.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Wouldn't society be better off if everyone had an equal opportunity (or even encouraged) to be a man, rather than feminize everyone and the few who survive the feminization are the worthy ones?

[–]homeliss 6 points7 points  (2 children)

But not women -- it's reproductively beneficial to them if only the best men rise to the top. Otherwise they stand a chance of mistakenly carrying an inferior man's child.

[–]getRedPill 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But in this situation nobody is strong now. The strong ones are just normal/weak guys that apparently are like that because now they are compared to the weakest that exist.

[–]Elantris89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you differentiate who is strong and who is not?

[–]getRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That would be a perverse counter-productive attempt. Weakening itself to find the strongest, only means the now "strongest" one used to be weak or just normal guy. Bar has been lowered.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Man, i've had feminist friends who have straight up confided in me that they wish their bf would act more 'like a man'. Nothing dries a girl up faster than a man who is decidedly unmasculine

[–]doveenigma13 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Then they say to me, "I fucking hate you, but you turn me on and I can't stop thinking about you!"

The louder the feminist, the more eager the pussy is. Even if they committed to beta boy.

[–]getRedPill 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Don't fuck those lunatics. They're all problem.

[–]doveenigma13 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fuck em, don't take them home.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bingo. Get what you need and roll out.

[–]casemodsalt 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Same applies to driving

Have my signal on for 1 minute? No one let's me in

Swerve the moment there is an opening? No one bats an eye...

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[–]redditcdnfanguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is - and literally, this is why we can't nice things.

We're still a pack of savages, snapping and growling at each other.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nothing about this post seems strange if you've been paying attention.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't agree more. Read enough shitty pro-feminist blogs, especially by beta males, and it becomes quite obvious what agenda is being pushed.

And the sad, pathetic results of it, too.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 57 points58 points  (11 children)

Then, tell men to stop being the kind of men these women are fucking, because it’s “toxic” for men to want sex

No matter how much society changes, it's always men that are wrong. Patriarchy? Bad... Being Masculine? Bad.... Not being Masculine enough? Bad ... Being progressive male? Bad... being traditional male? Bad.

And no matter how much women change.... be her a wife, a slut, a nun, a mother, an independent whatever.... she must be worshipped as perfect, and anyone who dare says she should have less sex... or more sex... or different sex... or sex with less... or more partners is oppressing her.

No criticism of women is allowed, regardless of what they do. Women change, and yet women of old had it right, new women have it right. Every size, shape and behaviour of women is held up as being exactly correct at all times and beyond criticism.

It's fucking retarded.

[–]kraken9911 15 points16 points  (7 children)

Might I chime in by pointing out that in game of thrones that almost every throne on the show is now occupied by a woman and the most important one by a teenaged male dominated by his mother and wife. Only one throne is purely male (beta teenager controlled by alpha male ). More western media ramming the "women are best" down our throats.

[–]LazyMagus 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Remind me, which throne is held by the males?

[–]kraken9911 2 points3 points  (5 children)

The Vale. That derpy kid Robert and Little Finger controlling him.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I don't know if I'd call little finger an alpha male, he's very Machiavellian which is cool af, but the bald dude without a dick and balls is Machiavellian too.

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[–]Freiling 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What about his oneitis with Catelyn? Or do you think that was a ploy for the Riverlands?

[–]friendlyneybor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well he was still sucking Mom's tit before she was killed.

[–]lqtys 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Playing to be the victim is a typical female trait. Feminized nice guys also tend to play being the victim, too.

[–]getRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The shooting at Orlando gay disco:

• Before: Being LGBTQnbi is rad! If you don't support them or even adopt some of their manners and symbologies you are an untolerant patriarchal fascist pig! Old traditions my ass.

• After Orlando shooting: OMG! Weren't men there? How it's that impossible, men should have stepped up and act! Bare-hands, totally unarmed of course.

[–]Docbear64 52 points53 points  (41 children)

Having a plate explain Toxic Masculinity to me before telling her to choke herself on my dick ( and her doing it ) was one of the most surreal and satisfying moments of my depraved life haha . It's so funny how their agreement with an ideal and actions towards an ideal can be WORLDS apart .

I think it's perhaps a combination of how you present your masculinity as well as her attractedness to you because this same woman who complained about other guys asking her to dinner squeals when I tell her to "bend over like a good whore " . She's so into the tingles and feelings I generate in the moment that her Logical analysis of the situation is completely bypassed . I can see how thinking that way the " Buyers Remorse" syndrome mentioned in another post could come about . She enjoyed the moment but when she breaks it down later all of a sudden for some reason her logic is being injected into what was previously driven by feels and when observing it she is unhappy about her actions .

[–]dissentforall 81 points82 points  (32 children)

I had many similar experiences. I was plating a gender studies chick (sexy brunette with tattoos). Every time she came over she would try to start a dialogue about it and I would basically tell her to shut up and then throw her on the bed. Eventually she started sending me feminist type memes that I would laugh at. I once asked her "how does it feel to be fucking the enemy?" And the amount of rationalizing that ensued from her hamster was pure gold. Shit eventually went south and I next her and didn't hear from her for a while because she got a bf. 2 weeks ago I got a text from her asking if I was around tonight and said "I'm in need to a good dicking and choking ;)".

Women do not have behavior standards for men. Their condemnation extends only as far as the social implications associated with it, not some internal moral code.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 86 points87 points  (6 children)

Women do not have behavior standards for men. Their condemnation extends only as far as the social implications associated with it, not some internal moral code.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

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[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Women are amoral.

All moral questions are really questions pertaining to fairness. And we know that the universe is not inherently fair. So discussions of what is moral and immoral lies with those who seek to make the universe more fair - men.

Men are the ones who contend with nature directly, extract resources, and then try to find ways to distribute those resources in such a way that civilization can continue to function and produce advanced benefits like medicine, indoor plumbing, climate control, grocery stores, etc.

Women, on the other hand, are busy figuring out how to get as many of those resources from us as possible. In the past, they did this through persuasion and symbiotic femininity. Now they do it via extortion, hostile language, and pretending to be victims.

Nowadays when women invoke "ethical arguments" on their own behalf, they're trying to sound like participants in the great civilization project rather than like the parasites that they are.

TL;DR Men use morality to prevent mutually-assured destruction between tribes so that everyone has a chance at getting what they want. Women use morality to get what they personally want.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's not morals, it's that women aren't or can't be original. They just go with the herd because it's the safer choice. When was the last time you saw a woman stand up against a majority on anything and risk being rejected or shunned? A man will stand up for his point of view and gladly face the consequences.

It basically comes down to this, women think truth is defined by majority which is why they never really understand what's going on and just end up copying the latest buzz words. When it comes to their actions, they really don't have a solid moral compass of their own so they just end up submitting to the most powerful person in the room.

[–]Hoodwink 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If it's really a choice between the two (which I'd argue it isn't, but I'll play along), women are immoral.

They have the knowledge between good and evil, they just choose not to make decisions based on it.

[–]Docbear64 10 points11 points  (11 children)

" Women do not have behavior standards for men. Their condemnation extends only as far as the social implications associated with it, not some internal moral code. "

Outstanding point here , when I think about the women i've been with they have largely not cared how I treated or interacted with them behind closed doors . Asking a conservative church every sunday girl if she was into choking and getting a Yes with no reluctance definitely colored my perspective . They are even willing to let you misbehave if it shows their friends how much you desire them publicly and conversely how huge it is for them to be embarrassed in a more " traditional " social scene .

They really are driven by their environment , fascinating .

[–]dissentforall 23 points24 points  (10 children)

after you fuck a couple of real "good girls" it starts to hit you. If you want an even deeper look into their psyche, start talking to them in a complete non judgemental way about sexual fantasies and offer up one of yours that's more taboo so they don't feel "weird" about talking. Almost every single one either has a rape, gangbang, non consent related fantasy. To hear a goody Sunday church girl say her biggest fantasy is to be abducted into a van and used by a group of muscular men (all holes taken by force) and then dropped off having no one else know what happened to her....Sobers you up and snaps you out the idea of unicorn real fuckin quick.

I've said blatantly misogynistic shit in front of feminist plates on purpose and they would get pissed off but I didn't let that phase me for a second, it didn't impede me fucking them a single bit. Hell I've even (definitely not advised) grabbed a few of them who would get physical when angry and it was like the biggest turn on imaginable to them, some even use that as a test to see if you're "man enough to handle" them.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 12 points13 points  (1 child)

They then make laws that prevent you from setting boundaries in this manner. Women aren't self-aware at all. They shouldn't vote it they can't even tell what turns them on after 30 years of living. We know women better than they know themselves. 'Mature' and 'emotional intelligence' my ass.

[–]dissentforall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always pose the question of whether or not they should be allowed to be in positions of power if they frequently admit to being hugely emotionally impulsive and lashing out (especially the PMS excuse). how could someone be responsible and make rational choices for other people's lives if they can just randomly fly off the handle because it "felt right at the time". They tend to back peddle real quick in that discussion.

They all already know exactly what turns them on but also understand the guise social culpability that most people carry on with. It would be kind of hard to leverage your sweet innocent demeanor to lock down billy beta if he knew you spent your days fantasizing being gangbanged and treated like a piece of meat or hand any insight into her sexual history.

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[–]GC0W30 12 points13 points  (6 children)

And this is why their men would rather fuck fat white girls than bother with fit black women.

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[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I've noticed this too. To get the nice black ass n titties, you have to be the thug nigga up front all the time. It also necessitates a crew that you battle over status for in front of her. Chaos.

Then they expect you put her in her place all the time and amp up the aggression more than she already does so she knows her place. No time to chill.

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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (11 children)

Im new to RP so I'm trying to understand a situation I had two days ago. Ex-gf who loved the fun and crazy connection we used to have broke up with me because I was too "unreliable" and would "not make a good dad" among other things.

I hadn't seen her for 1.5 years and then she texted me saying she would be in town soon. We agreed to dinner and after she said (the next day) she thought it was going to be awkward and she would leave pretty quickly.

Well it turns out we still get on really well. Fast forward a few hours and she wants me to fuck her without a condom. 30 seconds in she is begging me to cum inside her, and loving the way I am treating her like a slut. Its an odd dichotomy between thinking you as not a good provider to wanting me to virtually impregnate her.

[–]ClericJohnPreston 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Holy fuck plz say you didn't do it...

[–]phibetared 5 points6 points  (5 children)

A short answer is this is good news for you. She sees you as unreliable because you have many options and sleep around with other women. Since you are desired by other women, you are desirable to her. This means she wants to fuck you.

"Not make a good Dad" means you won't stick around to take care of the kids. This means she doesn't see you as a good beta-provider, she sees you as the guy who is out banging other girls.

The longer answer can be found in the side-bar.

p.s. When a girl contacts you out of nowhere she wants something. In your case she wanted to bang and "leave pretty quickly". That was her signal to you that she just wanted quick sex, she didn't want to get back together with you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thanks for that it's very insightful. It's funny though because it actually really hurt me when she said I wouldn't be a good dad because I actually really love kids. I think she said it because she knew that and just wanted to hurt me

[–]COAT_REMOVAL_SERVICE 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Don't worry. A woman's words are not reality. Only her reality. And temporary at that.

[–]lqtys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She wanted his sperm. Literally. Probably she is engaged with a provider with fertility problems and so she needed him to impregnate her.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"When a girl contacts you out of nowhere she wants something"

EVERY TIME!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

'provider' means beta. Often used here to mean a sort of nice guy loser, but it really means provider. Women have a dual-mating strategy, she was collecting seed. If she succeeds, it doesn't matter whether you are naturally a provider, she has the power of the state to extort it from you. I presume you did not go raw. Also, is she late 20s?

You might like to read 'Human Sperm Competition'.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She's mid 20s. She did say that her current bf ticks most of the boxes for a long term partner. But she said they don't have the fun talks and do the kinda fun spontaneous things that we do/used to do together. I'm really certain she doesn't want to have babies anytime soon but I did use protection.

[–]bowie747 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm sleeping with a 'feminist'. She's a great girl, really. But it's amazing how she'll speak for way too long about her job (like it impresses me) and her favourite female artists and why (because oppression). Then asks me to completely fuck her over in bed, like completely demolish. I'm very comfortable with women wanting to be dominated, but that mindset does not conform to her supposed feminist ideals.

[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The best part about it is they may feel that way afterwards, but they will dive right back into the feeeeeeels later to repeat the process. The extreme cases of feels addiction is like watching a drug addict getting their fix.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

he extreme cases of feels addiction is like watching a drug addict getting their fix.

You're not far from the truth. I believe, that addictions are a form of abuse of natural circuitry in our brains - first, a newborn must be addicted to his mother and mother gets addicted back to that child, second - there are "pair-bonding" mechanisms (why should they be mediated by something else, the circuitry is in place)... there are various forms of "abusing" this circuitry, codependency, gambling, debating, overeating, alcoholism...

So, those girls you write about... girls are very social beings, so on the outside they need to act properly. But, behind closed doors...

[–]Freiling 0 points1 point  (4 children)

It's so funny how their agreement with an ideal and actions towards an ideal can be WORLDS apart .

That's not just women, that's everyone. People are often well aware of it, too. Ones political opinions aren't required to be compatible with their personal proclivities. At the least, I hope your political views are vastly distinct from your love of choking women on your cock.

[–]Docbear64 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Perhaps I am misunderstanding your point but I get the impression your trying to offer up a poor comparison for arguments sake.

My plate has an ideal for what a toxic man is including dominating or feeling the need / desire to control a woman.... I then tell her to choke on my dick and this man who commanded her (A.K.A a definition of toxicity in her personal lexicon) gets an obedient response.

Your politics comparison is only apt in a situation where I am lobbying for gun control as I personally polish my AK47 lovingly. Or to move on step further if I lobbied for gun control but then the moment I approached a fire arms vendor I had a compulsion to buy a small armory.

Expressing a thought and then behaving counter to it is common ?

[–]Freiling 0 points1 point  (2 children)

She may believe that toxic masculinity is bad for the culture at large, but still enjoy aspects of it in her personal life.

One of my exes was strongly anti-porn and against the normalization of abusive rough sex, but nothing else could get her off. She acknowledged that the two aren't technically compatible, but where's the rule saying we have to be consistent? At least she acknowledged the hypocrisy, if you want to call it that. There's no easy way to force a change in your personal proclivities, or in your political beliefs. Personally I don't see this as contradictory - people have private lives that don't need to be subject to their public persona.

[–]Docbear64 0 points1 point  (1 child)

lol then we agree ? Regardless my point isn't to condemn women it was an observation that I felt went with the title subject matter .

[–]Freiling 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, not saying we disagree. Just wanted to add that, since a lot of people here lean towards demonizing what they see as an alien mentality for women.

[–]1ObnoxiousDrunk 19 points20 points  (1 child)

The powers that be seek to feminize men, because women don't fight as readily as a man.

Instead of battling your foe, turn them into a woman. Much more predictable outcome.

[–]SullenBarLurker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I do this as a mental trick when talking to bp men. Sleepers are very poor at debate.

[–]103342 40 points41 points  (32 children)

So women are slutting around, and despite all of the fun they’re having, they feel kind of bad about themselves and have shitty self-esteem.

I used to not care very much about N-count when I was younger. It is still something that doesn't bother me so much.

But the truth is, you should absolutely not LTR a girl with more than 3 partners. I don't care if MY number is much beyond that, men and women are different.

Casual sex and promiscuity has a different effect in men and women. It builds up a guy's self-steem and lowers a girl's.

The sad part is that a lot of girls fuck around and only see the effects later, they learn by experience because their parents and society didn't tell them the other side of promiscuity.

I don't care what people say, even here on TRP I was shamed for defending promiscuity for dudes. Promiscuity is good for men and bad for women. We were biologically made to fuck around, we are horny all the time and would gladly fuck women below our SMV.

Women are not build for promiscuity. Only the lowest of the low were promiscuous.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Exactly. I mean it's not easy for men to sleep around so when he does, he feels like he's been approved by women, or he's a stud and feels good about it.

With women, they feel like they are easy and have been used. Like the village bicycle or a rental car.

[–]grewapair 26 points27 points  (12 children)

But the truth is, you should absolutely not LTR a girl with more than 3 partners.

Got it. Stick with girls 16 years old and under.

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I have a friend whose cousin got knocked up when she was 12 years old. She had the baby too.

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[–]gostwiththemost 2 points3 points  (1 child)

When I was in doctor school I rotated at an Indian reservation. They were routinely putting birth control implants into 10 year olds to prevent them getting pregnant. Frequently the father is not some kid from school, but one of their own family members.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The fact that a 10 yr old girl can reach puberty is of much greater concern than the pedophilia incest. That is not healthy and would destroy her body. It's not big enough to accommodate a fetus and feed it the nutrients it needs.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Nowadays

I am 40 and that was the case when I was at that age.

[–]iLLprincipLeS 0 points0 points [recovered]

True. What you can do is to get her when she is 12-14. Fuck her each day as soon as she turns of legal age (15 in most EU). ; esp. viable if you want a LTR that could be made into even something more. But that's just in cases of emergency.. if you're a little lucky you might find a -20something- one that for whatever strange reason did not end up as a whore (that way you could pass over the usual drama the ones in school bring).

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

if you're a little lucky you might find a -20something- one that for whatever strange reason did not end up as a whore (that way you could pass over the usual drama the ones in school bring)

Oh, what a nice fantasy. Let's fap to it. Can you imagine how such girl looks? :)

[–]iLLprincipLeS 2 points2 points [recovered]

Can you imagine how such girl looks?

Not like you would expect. Physically? Pure.

Mentally? Damaged. But not fucked. Not a whore. But an uncertain past.

Ok. Not 20something but 19. And it took one month in a new town to fuck her up.

As I said: a little luck. Until you are out of luck. It's all a gamble. Know the game and you might have a chance.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

one month in a new town

... where nobody knew her and she thought nobody will find out. AWALT!

[–]LukesLikeIt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Biologically men need to spread as much as possible. Women who become burdened for 9 months and then years after with a child need to select much more vigorously. A women that just sleeps with anyone disgusts us on s biological level.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree with you 100%, but unfortunately good luck finding a girl with an N count of 3 or less. Most of the hot ones are well beyond that by the time they're 17 these days.

[–]casemodsalt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I believe lock and key are a good example for this

[–]TurnipSeeker 2 points3 points  (2 children)

The sad part is that a lot of girls fuck around and only see the effects later, they learn by experience because their parents and society didn't tell them the other side of promiscuity.

Can you expand on that part? This issue is constantly bothering me and i would like to hear about your view of that other side.

[–]103342 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The stuff they say about pair-bonding in the manosphere is true. It sounds like psudo-science bs, but the more relationships a girl has the more difficult is for her to see you as "the one" for her. Its obvious, if you are her number 10th you just aren't THAT special.

Promiscuty is encouraged by the media, it is the norm now. Parents need to teach a girl that her body has value.

I don't understand how people don't see it how common it is for a girl to have some sort of sexual "trauma". Every fucking girl has some baggage on unpleasant sexual experience once you get to know her more. Every single girl...

They learn that sex has impact in her biology by experience. But once it is done, she is already damaged for the next guy. It's fucked-up.

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But the truth is, you should absolutely not LTR a girl with more than 3 partners. I don't care if MY number is much beyond that, men and women are different.

Just asking, how does this work for humans? In order for this to be sustained for most men, a large number of men need to die, because birth rates are about 50/50.

Edit: It was an honest question.

[–]GC0W30 0 points1 point  (5 children)

A few women with very high n-counts.

Your wife has only had like one guy before you, but your mistress has seen like 30 dicks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

So what happens to them in the end?Men's mistresses I mean.

[–]GC0W30 5 points6 points  (2 children)

The dudes they fuck get progressively less and less hot.

At a certain point, the guys trying to fuck them don't provide tingles worth the hassle, and they either choose a beta to support them, a low-value alpha, or go their own way.... which basically means cat lady.

[–]Ou-tis 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I have an hypothesis:

Long time ago there where prostitutes,and they changed cities when they become too old or whatever. Sometimes they could find a man to marry "Oh dear,I've never found love" or something similar like showing regret for the past.Or they finished in some ospice. So the importance to check the family of the girl or the social circle.

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[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 35 points36 points  (6 children)

Those MRA wankers are just as bad as the feminists. They promote the same party line:

Men are killing themselves and suffering from mental illness because society is holding them to an unfair standard of masculinity! We need to change the standard!

Being a man is hard. The standards are hard. The reason men want to change the standard is because they're lazyasses who don't measure up and don't want to do the work. So when it comes to "toxic masculinity", they'll even hold hands with feminists over the issue.

[–]1jb_trp 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Those MRA wankers are just as bad as the feminists.

Yup. The sub mostly has devolved into the "oppression Olympics" and crying about female teachers who prey on high school boys. I still comment and interact, but it's just a circle jerk train fed by a socially Marxist worldview. Seriously, there will be a post whining about how being father is often reduced to "daddy is on baby sitting duty" and other microaggression bullshit and will receive 1000 upvotes.

On a side note, whenever I see feminists use the phrase "toxic masculinity," it seems not so much that there are aspects of masculinity that hurt men, but that masculinity itself is a toxic thing.

[–]Uptonogood 9 points10 points  (1 child)

"Don't ask for a lighter burden. Ask for broader shoulders."

[–]Ou-tis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't even ask,work your shoulders and they will grown.

[–]CQC3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's why MRA's piss me off, not only do they stain the importance of the issues by being whiny neckbeards, but they are complaining about how being a man is hard from the perspective of a bunch of little boys who want to get hugs from their mommies. They don't want resolution they want someone to throw them a bone.

For people that are supposed to represent men and mens rights, they are the male equivalent to feminists. They're undesirable, socially maladjusted individuals, often times unattractive and unrepresentative of positive masculine traits.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Touch women until they stop you. If they don’t stop you, fuck them. Then don’t call the next day because you’re busy doing man shit.

TL;DR Bear this comment is a digression. We assume A LOT, even the best of us do (just like in this post); fuck assumptions.

I realized that in my relationships with women I assumed a lot. "Calling her the next day" is such assumption for me. Of course, next day or every day I'd rather be doing interesting shit, but if the next day after fucking her I decide I'm not doing shit, if the next day I am acting lazy, if the next day I'm just bored and doing uninteresting stuff... this still does not mean I need to call her.

Where did that assumption came from? OP somehow assumed the need to call her the next day and debated on that, specifically telling us not to.

I'm not criticizing, this post is the shit. I'm just stating that in my own life, I assumed a lot. "Calling the next day" is one of those. Recently, thanks to my wise decisions about moving and taking even more care of myself, I start to verify such assumptions.

Me calling her the next day, why? She wants to talk, she can use that damn phone. In fact, I stopped calling my own children (I see them every 2 or 3 days), calling someone does not push relationship forward, it's just faking it, just making it stagnant. Calling is a form of pornography, a typical LDR thing, sometimes without distance. Why the fuck should I talk and what should I talk about? If I like her, I'll text her or call her when I have time for her.

Fuck assumptions. Fuck calling. Fuck thinking that I owe something to a girl because she decided she lets me put my dick into her vagina. This is low value, this is treating sex as a currency. As for phones... There was something written once... about love. "Micro-actions of love" or something like that. To actually show that micro-act of love to somebody you need two people together in one place. You don't need to do anything special, but you first must be in the same place, in the same time with such person.

So, being that whole Dark Triad dude, reading TRP every day, with all the baggage, problems and N-count of women fucked is actually NOT a turn-off to women, unless they're looking for a provider. Go read a scientific report about Dark Traid "The Dark Triad personality: Attractiveness to women" by Carter, Campbell and Muncer. Being a fucking psychopath actually makes you safer, I believe. This is an attractive trait. Add some pecs and a sixpack to it, a nice salary, a proper custody agreement and the future looks very bright.

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[–]1StuttBuffer 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I agree with a lot of your post, but not the part about having sex for love. I don't think people ever really fucked for love to begin with. Traditional marriage has always been about "We accidentally had a daughter. If you take her off our hands and agree to provide for her forever, you can bang her all you want."

[–]Senior Contributoradam-l 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As a guy in here once adroitly noted, "we men only accepted pair bonding as an insurance against celibacy".

[–]Eidolon3436 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not interested? I will throw in this almost new goldish necklace and 2...no 3(!!!!) goats!!!

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Love this post Archwinger.

Takes me back to my blue pill days. I subscribed to the "real men don't prioritize sex" and the "real men are chivalrous gentlemen" garbage. And wondered why I never had success.

It's poisoned the minds of way too many men, which is good for us because it means less competition.

This mindset spreads. At work in the break room me and another male employee were watching TV and a commercial came on for some IUD contraceptive called Skyla. I cracked a joke saying "Basically this product is for skanks who want to have dozens of dicks stuck inside of them without facing the consequences" not realizing that there was a feminist female employee on the other side of the wall. She heard me and began to lecture me about how I was sexist and how I shouldn't judge what a woman does with her body and all of the usual tripes I've heard over and over.

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She heard me and began to lecture me about how I was sexist and how I shouldn't judge what a woman does with her body and all of the usual tripes I've heard over and over.

Gotta love how they don't realize one of the fundamental unspoken rules of nature we often discuss here; you cannot negotiate attraction .

[–]greatoctober 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Oh so you want women to value sex more and do it less? Ok.

[–]5t3fan0 4 points5 points  (0 children)

problem - our car cannot go any faster than this

regressive BP solution - society should not expect any car to go any faster than this, improvement is tough and futile anyways

progressive alpha engineer solution - its time to supercharge this aluminium bitch!

[–]evoblade 2 points3 points  (2 children)

There's nothing actually progressive about the "progressive" movement.

[–]Senior Contributoradam-l 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Both expressions of the system are shitty, intellectually inconsistent. Conservatism is a mixture of cynicism and stupidity, while Progressivism is a colorful mixture of ideas with hypocrisy as the main component.

[–]Donald_Fuck 2 points3 points  (8 children)

because nothing says, “I’m not a loser who can’t get laid” like having to resort to rape to get laid.

This is so often misconstrued by the mainstream narrative. Rapists and school shooters are all beta. They have no good friends, their dad is a loser and girls want nothing to do with them.

Yet time and time again feminists will blame 'toxic masculinity' for these crimes, yet if these men had decent role models and we're lead down a path of masculinity, they wouldn't resort to such crimes. They would compete on the level of other men by accepting the harsh reality of women's nature and learn that to be valued in society you have to "be a man".

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

The idea is that if society didn't tell these men that they're not real men, they wouldn't get depressed and unstable and shoot people.

Because when you're not getting laid, everyone knows that the real reason that bothers you is because of the standards of masculinity we impose! I'll bet men wouldn't even want sex if nobody told them that real men get laid!

The story goes that not living up to masculinity standards is what breaks people, causes mental illness, and creates killers. And if only us evil men would change our standards (we're not actually the ones imposing the stabdards), all the sexless losers would be happy and not miss sex at all.

We can't teach them to get laid or some woman might accidentally fuck a loser.

[–]Archange_ 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I'll bet men wouldn't even want sex if nobody told them that real men get laid!

You discount the innate masculine sex drive. Women know how to trigger it and often do even in contexts that are inappropriate. Advertising also resorts to it and fills the cities and the internet with suggestive photos sometimes to the point of nauseation.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

You mean guys would still be unhappy about not getting laid even if we abolished traditional masculine gender norms?

[–]Archange_ 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Of course.

Even monks living a recluse regular life have a sex drive. During discussions they explained that they still desire women and deflecting that desire towards the spiritual life is part of the training. Failure to do so properly builds in frustration and vitiates the soul. The novice cannot rely on willpower; he must undergo an inner transformation. When he fail, he is returned to normal life.

Living well without getting laid requires an effort on oneself of the same magnitude to the transition from blue pill beta to red pill alpha.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Shit. So reassuring sexless losers with kind words and lots of bro love won't prevent violence or mental illness? Redefining masculinity would be less effective than teaching men how to get laid?

[–]Archange_ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

For men to be happy you either teach them to get laid or to sublimate their sex drive. Whatever the definition of masculinity may be.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Someone should totally write a post about these facts.

[–]Donald_Fuck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think your sarcasm has been detected yet...

[–]SterlingEastwood 6 points7 points  (1 child)

IMO a good example of attacking "toxic masculinity" is the changing pop cultural image of the cowboy. It went from a masculine role model (living free and dangerous, no fear, slinging guns and banging sluts) to Village People and Brokeback Mountain in a few decades. Advocating male emotionality and accepting homosexuality? Bullshit. They just wanted to ruin that image and they knew the best way was to twist it to being gay. Just like when some cunt tries shaming you like: "You guys hang out all the time! Are you gay?!" I think either the gay boxer or secret agent will be the next one if it's not out there already.

[–]ChadThundercockII 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"You guys hang out all the time! Are you gay?!"

The West is truly sensitive to everything that is homosexual, especially the women. In the East, not so much. My relationship with my friends is very close and intimate. If we ever hang out with foreigners, they would think we are gay. Older men here hold hands while walking. And nobody bats an eye.

[–]MajorStyles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You need to take a bit of joy in Machiavellian narcissism. It's what women want, so it will ultimately be the glue of any relationship.

Strong patriarchal families all have an element of dark triad in them.

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Where does this idea that having an athletic/muscular build and confidence is "toxic"?

I always understood toxic men to be losers who give in to various addictions from gambling to drugs. Guys who are in and out of jail for dumb hood mentality BS, and just overall not having any will or self control over your masculine nature.

For example, that guy who cut you off in traffic? Sure we'd like to drag him out of his car and give him a left hook to the jaw, but we don't because it's illegal and disturbs the quality of life for our respective community.

You can get laid by being a good dude and being masculine. It's how I and most of my friends get laid.. We're mostly in good shape, decent SMV in our social circles, can manage to bang good looking girls.. Albeit I'm not a Casanova but I'm not a sexless neck beard either. As long as your comfortable around women, know how to have a good conversation, flirt, kino, etc.. Dress well, well groomed, smell nice etc.. You'll do fine. You just have to take the lead with where you want the date to go. If you wanna bang invite her back to your place to watch a movie or hangout and drink, play a video game, anything.. The girl isn't going to take the lead with this stuff. Sometimes they will but most of the time they won't.

Have you ever been asked by a friend to hangout with them on night then they ask YOU what you want to do? Isn't that annoying? Dude you asked me to hangout tonight I thought you had something planned. It's a waste of time to meet up with someone and just do nothing unless it's your best friend circle or something. Always have a plan, always be taking the lead. It's exhausting sometimes but if the girl's worth your time she'll take the lead sometimes too.

[–]wiseprogressivethink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very well said. Basically everything TPTB tell you is a fucking lie.

[–]J_AsapGem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

women fuck for just about every single reason imaginable. Except love.

dam dude, this hit my feels, crazy reality we living in.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We live in the age of feminism, and part of feminism means that women now have free choice and agency regarding sex. Women also now have jobs and don’t need men to support them.

at this point, I was thinking, " so what do they need men for?

Then, tell men to stop being the kind of men these women are fucking, because it’s “toxic” for men to want sex and to behave in a manner that causes women to have sex with them. But it's also “toxic” to shame women for fucking these very men.

i think this is one of the hardest things to overcome. if it's been programmed into you for 25 years, how does one simply give up that ideal?

so what you are saying is became everything they told you not to be?

[–]2johnnight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

/u/Archwinger

It's not progressive or regressive. It's Tradition vs Subversion (Counter-Tradition).

Tradition says that the way society is organized is Good and has to be kept. Subversion says that it is Bad and has to be destroyed.

Subversion calls itself Progress, because that name sells better and fools people about the real goal of this force. The goal is not to improve society, but to destroy it's traditional way of life.

Being Conservative means conserving society as it is, because it is Good, maybe not perfect but good enough not to experiment on it.

[–]1introvertp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Once you've fucked a girl, let her constantly know how bad you are for her and watch her keep coming back.

[–]rathyAro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you consider progressive and regressive is just based on the one you think is right. The liberal thinking is def progressive in the sense that we haven't done these things before, but if they are right is the real question. I think your views are probably right, but neither you nor I have the evidence to know. We should approach this topic by breaking both sides of the argument into concrete testable pieces and running studies to see which one is actually right. Obviously this is a slow, expensive process, but it's better than each side saying "I'm right" backed by biased anecdotes.

[–]cs_throwawayyy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The society wants us to move away from out natural roots and be a clog in a machine. Born, go to school, get a job, get married, work 9-5, participate in expanding the consumer economy, then die.

Problem is its impossible to move away from who we are as a species and what drove us to be survivors. Human were hunters living in the jungle for 99% of out species existence. Modern civilization only happened in about the last 1 % of time, so how is it possible to just forget who we are as a specie and turn into something passive.

Women like bad boys because of it, in that 99% time in the jungle if you choose a weak mate, you're genetic line ends so women developed habit to attract the strong ones.

Why are you all at redpill or PUA? because its in out genes to survive and reproduce. You're here because you're realizing a problem and something about your sexual life doesn't seem natural. We're wired to fuck as many bitches as possible, but society wants us to be a blue pill faggot that only gets one bitch for life, and it is not even guaranteed that the bitch will be with you for life, especially with the way they are wired.

Fuck the system, just play the game and beat the system.

[–]getRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women also now have jobs and don’t need men to support them.

Fool you not, jobs haven't spoiled women. It's Welfare, hand-outs, foolish entitlements, the philosophy of "girl you can't never be held responsible". That's what have spoiled women, and to be fair today's (unmanly) men too.

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[–]torik0 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Women shouldn't be the source of your happiness. That's like building a town below sea level, next to a body of water. Completely unpredictable, and potentially disastrous.

[–]The_Southern_Dem -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well I mean I am all for self-betterment, being outgoing, and challenging boundaries. But if by being a "toxic man" you mean being a total douche to everyone, that I just can't do. When people (regardless of their sex) earn my respect I will treat them with respect. If I meet women who are unworthy of my respect, I treat them as such. But I am willing to hold out the hope that there are women out there who are worthy of me not being a complete asshole to them.

[–]Ricardo2991 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I hate the title, but the article is ok... So, don't literally be toxic, just be toxic in the eyes of extreme liberals...

[–]smfc -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

fuck standards. step on my toilet and i'm going to turn your face into sloppy joe.