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Red Pill ExampleAlpha Male Husband cheats on wife for 35 years. She is happy she stuck around. RedPill theory from a woman POV (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Justforredpill1

Hello, this is my first post on TRP, though I've been a lurker with my main account for around 6 months. I'm posting with this account since my main one can be tied to me irl.

I found this article a while ago, and I wanted to post and write some notes on it here on TRP. Sorry if the analysis is dodgy, but I'm not done practicing and internalizing all aspects of RP theory.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/feb/20/my-husband-has-stopped-cheating-on-me-after-35-years

TL;DR A woman would rather share a high value man than lose him.

Kate's been married to Matt for 35 years. Kate knows Matt cheated on her all that time, so why did she stick around? RP theory explains.

We met at university and he’s all the classic things – tall, good looking, bright, funny. Very few women can resist him.

  • Judging by his description of him I think we can say Matt's SMV is high. Typical Thundercock.
  • Very few women can resist him. Preselection. She wants the man other women want, as a proof of his alpha qualities.

I watched as Matt broke one heart after another, always warning them – “I’ll never settle down, I’m a really bad lot” – but they were all willing to give it a try.

*1) Matt had women, a lot of them. Preselection. *2) Matt didn't give his commitment. A post here said that a man who gives his commitment away easily is the equivalent of a woman who gives away sex easily. Basically they are both sluts.

He was from a very army family and I knew that I was the “right” sort of girl for him so I played it very cool, which he wasn’t used to.

  • 1)Very army family? She is most likely talking about his father and grandfather. Probably disciplined and strict upbringing done by the father. Matt surely wasn't raised as a BP wussy.
  • 2)She just "knew" she was the "right sort of girl for him". That's female solipsism right there. Matt's been with so many women, that he surely knows "The One" doesn't exist and AWALT. However she had some attractive, RedPill woman, qualities.

It took all my willpower not to fall into his bed. [...] I managed to keep his hands off me until our wedding was booked.

  • Capacity to control her hypergamy. Matt probably gave this woman tingles 24/7 and yet she still didn't budge. I suspect she also had a low N-count, maybe 0. I believe this because it's easier to stop yourself from doing something you've never done before than it is otherwise, still, it's just a supposition. *Was Matt bluepill by marrying this girl even thought he didn't have sex with her? Perhaps. But Matt knew he could get girls and sex, but a woman with self-control is a rare catch.

[...]three years later, I was sure Matt was tamed

*The typical woman dream, having a high status Alpha who she can tame into a lowly beta provider. Alpha Male Matt was a high value - high risk guy for her, he could easily game women, and she know it. So she wanted to turn him into Beta Provider Matt, to "tame" him.

He worked hard, earned a lot.

Always focus on your mission, not on your woman. Also, Matt was a good provider.

I’m a teacher and when we had the big chat about child care I happily agreed to give up work.

*Of course she did, why bother when Matt was providing and bringing in the $$$. Women don't want to work and be independent, they want to be provided for. As Rollo wrote, "man works the world, the women works the man."

I was proud of myself – getting fit really quickly, looking good and always ready to jump into bed with Matt when the babies were sleeping.

*Despite the situation, Matt was still alpha, most likely kept his physical SMV high as well. She knew that if she slipped, she would quickly be replaced. Also, a woman always provides sex for the Alpha Male. She doesn't actually write anywhere, but I'm sure advanced Dread Game was fully in place now, you need to be in a high Dread Game level as a stepping stone in order to get away with what Matt pulled of next.

After Simon’s christening, I wanted to get him out of his slippery christening robes so I left everyone eating and headed upstairs. I opened Simon’s bedroom door and Matt and Chloe, my best friend from school, were having sex on the teddy rug on the floor, so engrossed that they didn’t hear me. I swiftly closed the door and tiptoed to our bedroom, shutting that door loudly.

How can Matt fuck her wife's *best friend in his own home, when his wife was present, when he had a tonne of guests over? Simple, Matt doesn't give a flying fuck. Matt doesn't give a fuck about his wife, her friends, his belongings should he divorce and anything else for that matter. Matt is Zen. Matt is outcome independent.

  • When we went back down to our guests, Chloe was sitting on her fiancé’s lap and barely glanced at us.

Best horror story I have ever read. Don't get married.

I wanted to pull Matt out of our bed and scream at him but I knew that if I did, there was no going back. Even if we didn’t split up there would be terrible rows and our lovely, happy life would be disrupted. [...] I was sure of only two things – we were staying married and from now on I would know everything.

*Translation: I didn't want to shit test him because he would most likely call me out on my bluff and I would risk losing him. *How does a woman feel "lovely" and "happy"? By being submissive. Matt was the Alpha Male in the house, and she submitted to him, she fulfilled her natural role and was rewarded with these natural feelings that don't come to women any other way. *Ultimately, she decided to share her Alpha Male, because she knew she had the ultimate resource: she was married to him. Men are the gatekeepers of commitment, and she had his, in it's entirety, why risk losing it? Women would rather share a high value man than not to have one and be with a beta.

I was convinced that if I said nothing, he would never leave me for anyone.

*She was right. If she started shit-testing him about the other women she would go down crashing, hard. You can't do what Matt does if you are not prepared to walk away.

It wasn’t easy and it was tiring being on full alert.

He basically Dread Gamed the life out of her. Kept her on her toes, made her work for his commitment lest it be given to another woman.

I checked Matt’s phone constantly and although his texts were always brief, some of the stuff his women sent was practically pornographic.

*Matt was no idiot, he purposefully didn't delete the messages. He wanted his wife to know that he had options, that she was replaceable. *Matt also knew that the cucking of his wife was important to keeping their relationship strong, it meant keeping his SMV high and the tingles constant.

I did get tired of dropping friends I knew Matt was seeing but that was my limit – I didn’t want to see them hanging round him. Some of my girlfriends tried to warn me but I cut them off as even acknowledging what they were saying meant I would have to do something about it.

*This one was gold, she basically tried to find excuses not to know her own husband was cucking her. Women will do and forgive anything if you are alpha enough, that's why they remain in bad relationships with loser Chads and what not.

I outlasted any woman foolish enough to think the affair would lead to something and, in the end, it was worth it.

This end paragraph shows something more, women are tolerant to being cheated on than men are, that's why some of you guys are able to spin multiple plates who know of each other.


[–]1Original_Dankster 298 points299 points  (62 children)

One factor - 35 years ago, a woman like this was rare. Today, she's a fucking albino tiger.

But even if women like this were still around today, society has changed in 35 years. YOUR sweet little LTR isn't going to wait until a marriage proposal to give you her poon. She's not going to put up with this sort of thing when she can torpedo the marriage for cash and prizes, and then troll Tinder for emotional validation and the occasional dick from thirsty betas willing to flirt or fuck with a post wall hag.

Tread carefully. Matt was definitely an Alpha, but his woman is far from typical.

[–]Askada 71 points72 points  (1 child)

This. These days are different.

However it was quite a nice read.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (8 children)

An important note that is often overlooked, most likely because so many here are in the anger phase, is that women don't divorce rape just because they like to see men suffer. They do it because they have a better deal waiting for them. The probability of a divorce is directly proportional to the woman's improvement in life conditions. From the way this reads, this guy was just head and shoulders above every other man around and thus divorcing him would have done her no good.

For an extreme example, think of a woman married to Brad Pitt and stranded on the Isle of M'lady (so...the rest of Reddit). It's going to be damn near impossible for him to be bad enough for her to divorce him since her only options are neckbeards.

Of course, you should never count on this because there is always going to be someone better than you, but it does happen from time to time. This appears to be one of those times.

[–]the99percent1 12 points13 points  (4 children)

You hit the nail on this one. He is probably a billionaire with a body of a Chad.

[–]TRPdis 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Tall, makes good money and has good social skills? Billions and even the body are not needed at that point.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Body is still needed, if she can take half his billions, she will. Being unable to swing to a better branch will keep her in line.

[–]johnbranflake 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Billionaires sign pre nups lol

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, but they can be problematic due to state laws and capricious judges. It's far better to not marry.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even if there is nobody better than you, all it takes is one illness, an injury, an insurmountable stressor that wears you down for a while, and if that happens even one of those omegas desperate for a sniff of her soiled panties has a chance. It doesn't have to be permanent, it can be a week, or a day with some girls, months with others, it varies.

The point is, if you look at all weak in any way, she will start looking almost immediately. If you're not the highest smv possible, it takes less. It's damn difficult to maintain high smv when you're physically injured or sick from something, and it can happen any time no matter what you do. The only thing you can do is strive to keep the appearance of strength, resolve, and capabilities, even if you know they're limited. Never let her know, because girls think a man with the sniffles is a big cry baby if he says anything about it.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is pretty much it, though i have yet to see it.

a women is NEVER going to divorce if there are no posative to her.

[–]LMS_THEORY_ 16 points17 points  (7 children)

Do unicorns exist? She's about as close as they come. Probably not more than a few dozen women like her in the entire western world.

[–]vagbutters 0 points1 point  (5 children)

This is why, if I decide to settle down (big if), I won't dare look at a woman from the west. It's like trying to find the needle in a world of haystack.

I enjoy western women as plates though

[–]kfpswf 5 points5 points [recovered]

Don't even consider Indian women then.

[–]vagbutters 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I wasn't, but mind explaining why?

[–]kfpswf 2 points2 points [recovered]

As entitled as white American women.

[–]vagbutters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a tall order, I wonder how true that is. What is the bitch-like, entitled behavior stemming from? In the west it's indubitably feminism; is it the same in India?

[–]TRPdis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree with this, particularly if we're talking about not going for divorce. I think this could and does actually happen pretty often when a woman knows she could never do better than what she already has.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 10 points11 points  (10 children)

If drake walked into a bar

He would leave with twelve girls who would rather share his air and lick his feet

Than spend the rest of their lives being happy with you

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[–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 5 points6 points  (8 children)

Replace him work any man of fame

Now change Drake to Jennifer Lawrence

She couldn't take even TWO alphas home unless they were both gonna beat it up.

[–]Natural_RP -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

Alphas don't share pussy. EVER. Only the most degenerate scumbags do, mostly because they know they will never be able to hit the pussy alone.

Give your head a shake.

Seriously? Downvotes? Are you mad because the only way you could bang a 7 was to share her with your gross friend? Enjoy your herpes losers.

[–]Ifuckinglovepron 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Lol, you dont get itt much do you? Stop pedastalizing pussy like it is something special. Seriously you have never passed a sloot around with your friends or London bridged one? I mean differs strokes, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to compare women sharing an alpha with men passing around a slut. One has value, the other is just a bit of fun.

Btw, I would rather tag team Jennifer Lawrence with a friend than just hook up with her, sure she is hot, but still just an attractive girl, tagging it with your bddy makes sure somone else knows you tore up a famous chick, it gives status.

[–]fingerthemoon 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I would rather tag team Jennifer Lawrence with a friend than just hook up with her

It's not gay as long as your balls don't touch.

[–]Ifuckinglovepron 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You dont know what tag team means do you?

[–]fingerthemoon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey man it's your team, you can tag him as much as you like, I don't care.

[–]Natural_RP 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No I haven't. You know why? Because I am high quality. You comment reeks of how beta you still are and your inability to use logic.

How does not tag teaming a chick put her on a pedestal? Actually she should be more than happy to fuck you by herself if YOU are high enough status. Like I said if you need to throw another guy into the mix you are low status. In fact YOU are putting her on a pedestal (much like you are doing with Jennifer Lawrence) by saying you would bang her even if it took taking my buddy into the picture. This is also humourous because Jennifer Lawrence is like a fucking 7 at best despite what most of reddit thinks. I see women on the street everyday that are hotter.

Next you know it standard TRP knowledge that chicks have access to legions of cock yet only fuck alphas until they finally cave for those beta bucks right? Well getting tag teamed by two dudes is a fantasy for virtually all women, yet so few actually have done it.

How can this be the case? They all really would love to have this happen yet only the dirtiest of skanks have. The answer if obvious if you're not a complete idiot, but since you are I'll explain it.

They want to get filled out like an application by two alphas not two scumbags. So on the occasions they have tried it they can never get to high quality guys to go for it, so it never happens.

Finally by sharing a girl you are LITERALLY cucking yourself. Sounds awesome. Do you think of yourself as the "alpha cuck."

TL;DR You are beta and not in any way high quality. You have a long way to come.

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[–]smfc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

this right here. if she decides she wants to get back at you all she has to do is get a divorce lawyer and the U.S. govt. is going to fuck you in the ass with a 2 X 4.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Meh. I think that a strong alpha would still be valued more than provisioning. In today's society, a woman is much more able to provision herself and does not require a beta.

[–]Eze-Wong 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This sort of had me thinking... If an LTR relationship is truly going to work out, the value of being a partner must greater than the value of getting divorced. If this is a constant... then you minimize your chances of ever getting divorced.

Too bad the reality is getting divorced almost always outweighs any companionship or love you can provide for a woman. The modern day woman doesn't really want love. She wants money. And she get love from just about any guy out there by opening her legs.

Sorry totally tangent but your post made me think of this.

[–]watcher45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I could go on safari the rest of my life and never find anything this rare.

[–]1Soarinc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most girls these days are sluts. 99.996% of the average girls of these days would put a slut from 35 years ago to shame.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 111 points112 points  (26 children)

Guys, don't try this at home. When that woman does some thinking, she's going to divorce rape his ass, sadly.

[–]199639 78 points79 points  (2 children)

This is like people on YouTube watching a guy fly through a canyon in a squirrel suit. It looks fucking magnificent and it's dangerous as hell, but we can't help but look up to the man skilled and courageous enough to do it. If most of us try it we'd end up face first into a rock at 120 mph. Matt though, Matt misses them by an inch.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Hah, this was pretty much exactly what I thought reading this post. Matt has got some big ass balls to do this shit lol

[–]Strangeclouds420 18 points19 points  (3 children)

The game is over between them two. He won. They have grandchildren and she has accepted that she prefers the way she handled things. She also implied that her and the children's life would be better if he wasn't splitting his income between two homes. Everything she did was to avoid divorce.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (2 children)

I wouls say they both won. She got the free ride for life, kids from presumably good stock that got taken care of, and the lifestyle/status she wanted.

All these guys grousing about how fucked her self esteem and value must be don't get how well she played the game.

She CORRECTLY identified the side pussy as pawns on the board, just like the husband did. Everyone would love to play a perfect game and lose no pieces but it isnt realistic if you're playing against someone worth playing. She knew what was up and kept her eye on the prize.

Far from being pathetic I wish this lady was teaching fucking classes at college for women.

[–]NotUpToAnythingGood 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It's similar to this in my life. My wife is okay with me having sex with other women. I have a few rules to follow so she and our kids don't get hurt but otherwise, the ball is in my court to do as I see fit.

Granted, I'm not an asshole about it. I wouldn't be fucking my wife's friends in our house. If I were fucking them, it'd be over at their houses.

Our kids are taken care of, they've grown up more or less well-adjusted (given society today, that's a feat unto itself). My wife has a stable home where she has a life of relative ease.

She gets the safety, security, and commitment she wants. I get regular sex from her and any other plate I happen to have. It works.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Now that he's faithful she will get bored of him

[–]wutangzus2002 8 points9 points  (5 children)

marrying

It does say that he does not care, I mean just cause the court demands money from you does not mean you can't rise above it. So yea she will have money but the feeling of knowing he is with numerous women will destroy her for a while.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No it won't. Thats some blue pill shit like hoping the universe punishes bad people. The truth is she identified his side action as barely relevant to what she wanted out of life and acted like it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 5 points6 points  (3 children)

... and how can you possibly know that and from?

[–]Justforredpill1[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It didn't actually say that about the husband, but one has to take into account the circumstances in which he did those things. He cucked his wife when she was in the house, and left his email and phone available without a password, keeping the texts that prove he was fucking other women.

You just don't do that unless you know you are ok with divorce, when you decide to do those things you accept the possibility of divorce. Maybe he did care about the marriage, but not enough to actually be bothered to hide the affairs.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe he cared about the marriage being on his terms.

[–]topsailsurf 9 points10 points  (8 children)

I know this is going to be a naysayer opinion on TRP, but damn man. This dude sounds like a shitty guy, if you don't want to get divorced raped, how about you don't cheat on your wife all the time? Goddamn.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 16 points17 points  (5 children)

IMO if you married, you're in deep shit already, no matter what you do later. GAME OVER already.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

You're either 1. Going to fuck other women and get divorce raped or 2. Not fuck other women, not get divorce raped but jack off 4 times a week because your wife won't let you touch her.

In marriage there are only two outcomes: divorce rape or misery. Maybe once in a blue moon you'll find a couple that fucks regularly and has a good relationship, but they're increasingly rare and the only ones I've seen are the ultra Catholic Christian couples.

[–]SDSAM21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm protestant, married 23 years. I MRP'd myself from a spinning out of control marriage to food, sex and submission when I want it. Wasn't easy, I'd say the single life is probably better, but I am the fucker that had kids - so I might as well use the tools to lead my woman where I want her to go.

[–]Toastlove 0 points1 point  (2 children)

In marriage there are only two outcomes: divorce rape or misery

People get happily married and stay married. As a percentage it may be far lower than divorce rape or miserable marriages but you cant pretend they do not exist.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you read my next paragraph?

[–]tilfuckyou 0 points0 points [recovered]

"Cheating" is a Blue Pill term. It's not only natural for a man to want to fuck as much pussy as possible, it's his right.

[–]Grimsterr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If she ever gets within 3 feet of a divorce lawyer, this dude is FFFFFFFFFucked.

[–]Manospherian 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If you are alpha enough, you can do this at home and the woman will behave the same. AWALT. Not saying I'm alpha enough, but hopefully I can one day get near there.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well. I actually did something like that. It lasted about 2 months, then I told her we will never be together and she went for some strange dick, told me about it. Then I fucked her for about 2 more months.

I gave her fucking of my lifetime, best I had. She still kept looking. Oh well either bored with my sorry ass or she knew I would not commit. When she is bored it is over. Or wanted to go for the cock carousel because of low n count and high craziness. Or perhaps my betaness made her perceive her smv as too high. Or late life hyper gamy. Who knows. Maybe all of that.

Do not recommend.

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (22 children)

Some women are also more or less likely to make a stink about this stuff. I had a friend who was a loser despite having an alpha frame with his relationships. He cheated on his girlfriend 4 or 5 times and she knew about it, but stayed with him because she viewed him as a prize (realistically, she was a 6 who couldn't really do any better than him).

But then there are some women who are too stupid to realize the game themselves. Make a stink, start throwing and breaking shit, then next thing they know they're alpha widowed. Smart girls know what alpha widow-ship brings to the psyche because they have friends who were alpha widowed.

Same goes for some guys. Some of them have a gut feeling whats up when their slut fiancé is fucking chad upstairs, but a lot of them also know that having emotional diarrhea over it is bad PR. Instead they'll manipulate social situations to prevent it from happening.

For example: Last weekend I was at a block party. This guy Chris' girlfriend has the hots for me. I see it in her eyes when she talks to me or brushes my arm. I asked Chris and his girlfriend Rachel where the bathroom was. Rachel kindly offered to show me the way to the bathroom by walking with me there alone lol.. So how did Chris deflect this "Oh no Rachel let me show him to the other one that the whole party isn't using that ones messy right now".. Sometimes guys have good cuck-game lol.

Rachel has also cheated on Chris 5 times and he knows all about it. He's too desperate to leave her though. Fucking loser.

[–]ColdEiric 12 points13 points  (17 children)

So how did Chris deflect this "Oh no Rachel let me show him to the other one that the whole party isn't using that ones messy right now".. Sometimes guys have good cuck-game lol.

What happened then? Care to tell?

Rachel has also cheated on Chris 5 times and he knows all about it. He's too desperate to leave her though. Fucking loser.

He wants to get dumped, and she'd prefer an alpha, but a keeping an useful beta around is better than being single?

[–]ahackercalled4chan 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Seeing as how I was Chris 12 years ago, I can confirm this theory. I wanted to break up with my girl but didn't have the balls to do it. She wanted to fuck higher SMV guys but also wanted to keep me around for validation & emotional tamponing. During our third year together, we went on breaks every 3-4 months so she could justify sleeping around while saying she wasn't cheating. Wish I had known RP Truths back then.

[–]ColdEiric 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Don't fret. Today you have vivid memories of what not to do.

Cherish and remember those memories. Memories of our pathetic and epic failures, failures we're mightily ashamed of, our shameful displays, that, that is what motivates us to do so much better.

Don't ever forget. I know I shouldn't.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

well at least you are 'awake' now. there's nothing wrong with being naive and experiencing these things, so long as you learn from it. Just be happy you're not one of hte oblivious ones who rationalizes it

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (13 children)

Nothing, he just showed me to the bathroom. He doesn't want to get dumped, but I don't think he wants to be with her either. He's with her because he's desperate and his ego can't take losing another woman due to his loser behavior.

She's just with him because she hasn't landed anything better yet. She scheduled 3 different trips this summer and didn't invite him on a single one (Las Vegas, San Francisco, and a cruise with her girlfriends).. Like tell me that bitch isn't hunting for dick lol.

The saddest part about this is Chris does NOTHING to improve his SMV. He just sulks about it and "wishes he could just meet a nice girl". SMH.. The dude is older than me for crying out loud and still doesn't get it.

[–]ColdEiric 0 points1 point  (12 children)

She's just with him because she hasn't landed anything better yet. She scheduled 3 different trips this summer and didn't invite him on a single one (Las Vegas, San Francisco, and a cruise with her girlfriends).. Like tell me that bitch isn't hunting for dick lol.

Better guys, guys like us know enough to not be seen with girls like her. She will not get a better boyfriend than Chris. Not before she cleans up her act. Either on her own, or by the help of a really strict and severe nun in a cloister. The girl needs discipline, just like Chris.

The saddest part about this is Chris does NOTHING to improve his SMV.

Do you like Chris? Is he a friend who you'd want to succeed, or is he a person you are indifferent to?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't matter. You can't make someone see the light no matter how much you want to.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children)

Nah the girl is actually really nice. Chris is just a fucking loser and doesnt know how to act like a man and be a dude thats worth committing to.

Chris is an old high school buddy. Hes not a bad guy to your face but he'll definitely resort to backstabbing selfish behavior to get what he wants. He has talked shit about me to girls I have talked to that he likes too (typical blue pill loser move). Chris also was a giant flake off in highschool who ditched plans last minute sometimes forcing his friends to try and hustle concert tickets or something last minute which led to a natural distancing. His overall needy and desperate behavior forced me to demote him to one of those party friendships.. type of dude I run into at a party and will chat with but never actually hang or invite him to stuff.

Hes one of those dudes who simply refuses to be a man and whines on the internet about "adulting" like hes a fucking chick.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Regardless of how pathetic the dude is, I can't agree that a chick who uses a guy as an emotional tampon while not only looking for something better but fucking other guys in the meantime is "actually really nice". Screw women like that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I mean she's nice in the sense that she isn't some loud cunt who has a low class attitude. She's smart, has a B.S. in biology from a good college. She's just not very social and not aware of the way the world is. Loser Chris was some guy who she felt attracted to at some point and clanged on to that.. As is typical with your average cis straight female who wants to have kids and a family some day.

This is her nature. Do you hate the jaguar for eating its prey whether it be ant or human? The jaguar has nutrients to fulfill and both human and ant fulfill that position; such is the order of nature.

When a man is told that his nature is "wrong" that he should "just be nice" etc.. it's essentially conditioning that man to cuck his free will to your likening. Whether his free will is totally evil or enlighteningly altruistic.

It's almost like we can't think in anything other than a gray scale. Sad.

The girl is nice in the sense that she has a rather pleasant personality. I like hanging out with her. She's fun to be around. Never a whiner like some of my other bros girlfriends. She also has a pretty good sense of humor and leaves me cracking up a lot. Just an overall chill girl.

Chris probably realizes that his girl is a real valuable commodity in the dating market (to be crass about it). He realizes that his own SMV is rather low (but not really, he's just not putting in effort. He has SMV-potential) so he feels insecure because this amazing woman attracts a lot of amazing men.

So Chris can either be high SMV himself or be in damage control position (as another redpill philosopher commenting on this thread suggested) and Chris decided to take Damage control.. Policing his girlfriend's behavior rather than investing in himself to make himself more attractive to his girlfriend. Sad.

I mean honestly, women cast aside. How would you want to live life? In a state of docile pleasure? Or improving, gaining momentum, and growing. Giving something to be a part of the tale of the third eye and be a god.

[–]ColdEiric 0 points1 point  (4 children)

This is her nature. Do you hate the jaguar for eating its prey whether it be ant or human? The jaguar has nutrients to fulfill and both human and ant fulfill that position; such is the order of nature.

What's a girl supposed to do?

I'd still recommend her to be single. I get that women might have a stronger aversion to loneliness than men do, but I still think she looks better without him. A guy like Chris doesn't do good for anyone. "Avoid the unhappy and the unlucky." Until Chris gets a grip of himself, until Chris makes a mature man of himself, nobody, guy or girl, nobody gains anything to be seen with him. Unless she is with him due to some idea of charity.

If he is her boyfriend, what do people think of her? Because you seem to genuinely think that she can do without him. Or is a having unfit, unmasculine, unreliable boyfriend much better than being single for women?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Yeah but you have to take into consideration too that women also have an expiration date for healthy baby making. She may want to lock some guy down early to secure her access to give birth. I mean she's not thinking about this LITERALLY, but it's a subconscious animal imperative.

Chris is kind of a loser, but he's a good looking guy too. He's a descent conversationalist and fairly smart. Dresses well and has good hygiene. He's just a complete spineless pushover though, horrible with money, and has a victim complex.

IDK about you, but I really do not give a shit if a girl has a boyfriend and I don't know him. Most good looking girls have boyfriends and orbiters on deck to be a pinch boyfriend if she gets dumped. I've only slept with 8 different women in my life, but of those 8, 5 of them were "in a relationship". Most of these girls I would not assign girlfriend status not because they cheated, but they don't meet my standards. Lots of them aren't very feminine (heavy drinkers, smokers, generally unhealthy), loud, don't know how to cook, don't know how to clean, lazy etc..

When a girl branch swings to a new guy it's because the new guy is a better deal. Plain and simple. Not because she's some evil soulless whore who wants to make men weak.. She just found better quality dick. The faster you accept this, the faster you can become that better quality dick that women flock to.

[–]ColdEiric 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah but you have to take into consideration too that women also have an expiration date for healthy baby making. She may want to lock some guy down early to secure her access to give birth. I mean she's not thinking about this LITERALLY, but it's a subconscious animal imperative.

I know. Girls in my networks are moving closer from 20 towards 30. I'm getting hit on. Some girls are happily married. And the single girls want to become married too.

IDK about you, but I really do not give a shit if a girl has a boyfriend and I don't know him.

I know. I've met people like you. Few of guys like you understand my full situation, how I reason in these matters.

For some reason, I have a need to tolerate or like a girl, if I am to do anything with her. Don't know why. I only stick my meat in girls who haven't currently got a 'boyfriend'. Have I had a different childhood and upbringing from those who don't have that need? Do I like guy-friends more than girls?

Most good looking girls have boyfriends and orbiters on deck to be a pinch boyfriend if she gets dumped.

I've understood that. I've seen that with my own eyes. I have been, on occasion been hit on by those girls, girls who are 'in a relationship' with a guy who probably is much like Chris. I just hate seeing it. Whenever I spot her attempts at branch-swinging, whenever I spot her hitting on other guys, her lack of RPW-loyalty, the guy loses all majesty and respect, and I wonder; Do I need to find new friends, friends who play in the superior RP-league? Any ideas what to do? Any of your suggestions are welcome.

I know I'm being ridiculously idealistic, but I really want to see her being wife-material and him being a man who knows how to respect himself, her and me. Those boys who can't see that she is looking elsewhere so much more than every fat girl looks for more cake, those boys are so fucking depressing. If he can't spot even that, how little of me and mine can I let him know of? I mean, I have friends and extended familymembers who understand that some matters are 'above their pay-grade', and that it might be in their interest to defer to my superior intellect. Some are kids, who might learn and get shit like this on their own, when they're older. But 'boyfriends' like Chris, that's just so sad. So sad, when they're man-sized humans with the immaturity and blindness of babies. If 'Chris' or any other 'boyfriend' can't notice something important as that, should I even allow him to exist in my life? What else is he blind to?

When a girl branch swings to a new guy it's because the new guy is a better deal. Plain and simple. Not because she's some evil soulless whore who wants to make men weak.. She just found better quality dick. The faster you accept this, the faster you can become that better quality dick that women flock to.

I understand the theory fully. I've seen and compared girls who are content with their boyfriends and girls who are leaning away from them as much as they can, without losing her grip on her current. I've understood that I need to be in the superior RP-league, if I am to get any kind of feminine loyalty, if I am to not be played as I other guys get played.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could argue that it's a mans nature to fuck as many women as he can and to never remain monogamous, yet we still manage to not cheat on our wives and girlfriends 5+ times. Shit, it's in a mans nature to be violent too. You'd be hard pressed to find too many guys here who advocate for beating the shit out of their women whenever they feel the urge arise.

Doesn't excuse it for me. We aren't bound by our animal instincts entirely.

[–]Nidhogguryo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hit the nail on the head for that type of person, I know more than a few "Chris"s myself.

[–]ColdEiric 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get it.

Chris is a horse which hasn't been salvaged yet, havent been led to the glue factory yet.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

it always blows my mind when guys do this. At best, it's overprotective and they had no reason to fear, which makes them look insecure as all fuck, and at worst, it's that they're dating a girl they cannot trust at all. Either way, if you honestly feel like your girl is that unfaithful and untrustworthy, you shoudln't be fucking dating her. If you truly believe that you have to engage in little social manipulations in a futile effort to prevent her cheating, you shouldn't be fucking dating her. No matter waht you do, there will be plenty of times you'll not be around anyways, so unless you have the ability to be everywhere at once, ie a god, break up with the bitch for christ's sake.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You're telling me.. It's beyond pathetic surveilling a bitch like that and everyone notices that shit even when it's not completely obvious and everyone thinks you're a loser thus lowering SMV. Not to mention commiting to a ho is simply just a waste of your precious time on this rock. Pass her around your bros. Sharing is caring.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah people DEFINITELY notice. When a guy does that around me, it's hard not to visibly cringe tbh. The worst part is i've seen it done a lot when there was no reason to fear, in that the situation would have been totally innocuous. That's always the worst because it's so fucking awkward. A lot of guys have such litlte trust that completely innocuous things look like an avenue for cheating

[–]Strangeclouds420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah at that point Chris is in damage control

[–]--Visionary-- 24 points25 points  (0 children)

What's amusing is that 35 years after this woman's marriage, due to pro-woman in all things state policy changes and support for grrrl power no matter what they do, WOMEN are the ones who do this and their blue pill husbands will be writing 35 years from now these sorts of retarded self-congratulatory public soliloquys about being cucked.

Oh how times have changed.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I think this is one of those Don't try this at home posts.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 20 points21 points  (2 children)

I did get tired of dropping friends I knew Matt was seeing but that was my limit – I didn’t want to see them hanging round him. >Some of my girlfriends tried to warn me but I cut them off as even acknowledging what they were saying meant I would have to do something about it. I outlasted any woman foolish enough to think the affair would lead to something and, in the end, it was worth it.

"My marriage was really a competition with other women, and in the end, I won."

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You ever see how it goes when they get complacent? This way was better for everyone.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm divorced. I understand.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Managed to keep his hands off me till marriage.

Don't be as naive as this woman. He was cheating on her from the word go.

[–]joseph56g 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is basically how Tony Soprano operates.

[–]MortalSisyphus 7 points7 points [recovered]

A post here said that a man who gives his commitment away easily is the equivalent of a woman who gives away sex easily. Basically they are both sluts.

Wow, didn't think my post reached many people but glad it reached you at least.

This is a great exposition of Red Pill theory, you really have learned a lot in those 6 months. Hope to see you posting more.

[–]jm51 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Some women get off on being cucked.

Guy I worked with was always chasing tail. She'd try to catch him at it but never did. You know that look a woman has when she's really into a guy? That's the look she had when she was trying to trick him into admitting infidelity.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

She wasn't cucked if she's not the breadwinner. She's just going along for the ride.

[–]jm51 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Whatever the correct term is, some women (secretly) get off on their guy banging other women.

[–]Zombocom1911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its called compersion , and is the opposite of jealousy. and it can happen in both genders. from wiki: Compersion is an empathetic state of happiness and joy experienced when another individual experiences happiness and joy, and the term is regularly used by members of the polyamory community in the context of polyamorous relationships. It is used to describe when a person experiences positive feelings when a lover is enjoying another relationship.[56][57]

It can coexist with jealousy though.

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Question: I hear stories about women who cut their cheating husbands dicks off, scratch their car, ruin their house, and do all this horrific shit when their husbands cheat. Are these women doing it partly because the guy they're with are low value? Would a low value guy been seen as an unruly slave if he cheated whereas a high value guy cheating is sort of just reaffirming his position as high value than her? And that's why a women won't go apeshit if you cheat if you're a high value guy?

[–]Unholy_VI 4 points5 points  (0 children)

These women are crazy.

Ever hear don't stick your dick in crazy? I guarantee you women like this will have more red flags than the Chinese government. That's why you make her wait until you have had ample time to observe her for any sort of commitment.

These guys probably fuck the girl, it's really good and they lose frame and decide whatever they have to put up with from her is worth it. then when she, predictably, starts withholding sex to control the relationship they decide to cheat to get what they need until she starts putting out again.

That John Bobbitt guy ended up trying to get back with his ex after they became famous for all the very wrong reasons.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You couldn't be more wrong. He is lucky, but he's lucky he ran the gauntlet with a red pill woman. She recognized pawns for what they were and took the hit to maintain board position and kept her eye on the prize.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Problem is that in today's climate shit is about 100x more difficult. Do you really think the 'don't let me turn on my bitch switch' chick would do the same? She'd shit test day in and out, inb4 cheat on Matt double as much and heckle him constantly. That woman knew her role and played it perfectly.

Nowadays women think their some sort of super hero jedi light sword wielding ghostbusters toughgirl with more credentials than Steven Hawkings.

Notice how she was perfectly fine being railed by Matt and just Matt. I'm sure he was dominant but I doubt he went completely BDSM on her.

Nowadays women want to be raped in a dungeon by a fire breathing Mr Grey type and then return to castrated BetaBuxBilly. They want to play every boy they meet and explore every possible emotion. This includes multiple dicks, foreign dicks and strange dicks. It's not about having the best anymore- it's about having it all. Even if you're an HB5 fatso.

Another important thing to note is how this woman knew about self sacrifice. She sacrificed for her family and her children by quitting work. She maintained it by shutting her trap when Matt cheated. She contributed for the betterment of her children, who would one day care for her in old age.

Nowadays women don't give two flying fucks about family. Marriage is just some ploy for them to exploit and to eventually get payed for doing absolutely nothing. Children are nothing but an extension of themselves to be freely used. They exist to please her and nothing else.

Enter 2016, you will never find a unicorn like that.

[–]NutellaPancakeMan 10 points11 points  (7 children)

If I was a woman and found myself in such a situation, I would've called the whole party upstairs, laugh at the gall of his and at the cliche of the situation, make sarcastic bree van de kamp-esque remarks and tell the party to take pictures. By destroying his frame on social circles and the judges I would clearly have a field day on the divorce court while boosting my own social status into extremes.

I guess this woman lacked the self respect to do that.

[–]anotherrpshitlord 29 points30 points  (3 children)

If I was a woman

You would do what you described precisely because you're not a woman. That's just not how they think. Saving face is the prime directive for a woman.

while boosting my own social status into extremes.

That's not what would happen to the woman's social status. So she divorces and is now a 30+ single mom lugging two or more kids. Do you know what her chances are of scoring commitment from a man of equivalent value to her ex husband? Slightly less than a snowball's chance in hell, and most of them know this on an instinctual level, even though if you ask them they would not be able to articulate it.

You, as a man, think "Oh poor woman, she got cheated on". All the women in her social circle are thinking "What a looser, she couldn't keep such a high value man. Time to call him up".

I'm acquainted with at least two guys who's wives buy/pack condoms for them in the carry-on before every business trip. It does not make any logical sense to a man, but women think differently.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 3 points4 points  (2 children)

You would do what you described precisely because you're not a woman. That's just not how they think. Saving face is the prime directive for a woman.

Unless you get that "woman 2.0" version, which fucks like a man and acts like a man, because she's either batshit crazy or was never taught how to be a woman really.

Feminine men and masculine women. That's what you get in these days.

[–]RedMoonAscendant 3 points4 points  (1 child)

These masculine women only act like men superficially.

They take all the negative aspects of a male personality and apply it to themselves, neglecting all the positive aspects of a male personality.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i've met a few women like that on tinder. Talk like a man, but can't walk like a man.

[–]lookitsmeyay 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I like the cut of your jib.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, what an idiot getting the free ride for life, stable kids in a supportive home, and social status when she could have had a moment of emotional fun of publicly attempting to destroy the father of her child.

This woman is playing chess to your checkers.

[–]ChadThundercockII 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You can't shame a man for fucking other women in his house while his wife is there and the house is full. He is basically a hero, a don.

[–]PlaneJaneJones 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's where it gets interesting. I suppose only she would know what it's like and if she's happy with it, who are we to judge. My dad was also a devoted dad, he's always making sure that we have a bright future kind of thing. I'm just pointing out that there's also a third factor in this, which is the children and what they can take from this (psychologically). It may have no effect, or it may (like from my personal experience). Psychological effects can only be seen after a period of time. Anyways, that's just my two cents.

[–]MrQuiggles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is there anywhere I can learn what all these acronyms mean?

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

great post man, I love shit like this. You don't get to see it every day.

I outlasted any woman foolish enough to think the affair would lead to something and, in the end, it was worth it.

this line is golden, because she has won the "prize" and she will do anything to keep it

[–]TheRedChemist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I outlasted any woman foolish enough to think the affair would lead to something and, in the end, it was worth it.

Holy shit. The good girl won in the end.

You know all the girls that tell their orbiters the nice guys win in the end? Pure projection of this specific state. Mind blown.

[–]RedWinter88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She sounds like good ole Hillary. Except Bill was exposed on a national level, everyone knew she got cucked... And she stuck with Bill and now look at her. Probably going to be the new leader of the free world.

[–]no_coats 6 points7 points  (4 children)

This guy sounds likes a fucking asshole who had no business getting married and she sounds like a piece of shit with no self respect.

Had she put two neurons together, she may have shot him in the stomach and watched him bleed out.

Don't do shit like this, please.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

still swallowing that pill, huh?

[–]no_coats 0 points1 point  (1 child)

TRP isn't a green light to act trashy.

[–]Impun1ty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, how that guy could sleep at night is beyond me.

[–]ecosci 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There is always a bigger and better c*ck out here and thats why they always are looking for it i will bet as soon as she meets a guy who give stronger tingles (yes possible)he will be dumped like cat shit and forgotten who he ever was because they always have a plan b so dont kid yourself fellas its not this easy and the last thing a man wants is his wife to be taken over by another alpha it damages your ego i dont care how macho you are because in your head he will press the right buttons and she will be under his authority and sex him good maybe better than in her marriage so you dont have to cheat just be willing to exit if she ever does and make sure she is aware and taking her back is not a option.

[–]PlaneJaneJones 6 points7 points  (2 children)

The only thing missing from this is the children. This is an unhealthy household to live in and believe me, kids are quicker at picking up signs than adults give them credit for. I grew up in this type of setting, the wife sounded like my mom, although the reason why she never leave was cus she wanted the kids to have a 'normal' upbringing. Yeah, right. Growing up seeing how my dad treated my mom gave me a whole bag of reasons to hate men. I was such an asshole to all my exes. Cheating was normal to me, and it was always me who dump them. I just wanted to be on the 'winning' side, because in my mind I always think that men would cheat eventually. It's like my mission in relationships is just to hurt them and leave. It took a very patient and kind man to actually stop my cheating ways.

[–]Keldoclock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd be interested in hearing that story. A female angerphase?

[–]ImHereAtLast 4 points4 points [recovered]

This is a story of a doormat, pushover bitch married to a guy who had no business getting married in the first place. How is it that some of the guys here rationalize that it's acceptable to cheat on your wife or girlfriend as long as you're Alpha enough? What a fucking joke... She's the kind of girl who would go back to him if even he beat her every night, is that really someone you'd want to be with?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think the point of the thread is not that we should emulate the husband, but that we get a glimpse of this woman's hamster as she decides she would rather share an alpha than get divorced and find a lower value beta bux.

[–]LifeHasLag 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Exact-o-mundo. This is a tale of primal human nature at work, but that is all it is. No betterment, no moral. I have to say they were the perfect match for each other nonetheless. They were both players, and it seems they both scored high as he was able to gain a composed wife who stayed on top of her game, and she gained a mark of commitment from him. I see his cheating as a flaw in commitment; marriage is supposed to mean committing to both staying with one person and being exclusive to them. He stayed with her but failed to be exclusive. (Edit: by definition fidelity and commitment are synonymous. He did not commit to her but simply claimed her, it was a good deal for him to have a quality woman giving her full commitment, including loyalty, to him every day and anything he wanted on the side. This a polygamist recipe, and if it were an option in this case, she would've just been wife #1.)

If she were self-respecting I don't see how she would have allowed the relationship from the beginning anyway. The ideal husband for the ideal woman has both alpha and beta traits. Get a nice match so one won't fuck the other over like this. He was far too risky.

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[–]LifeHasLag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I still say cheating conflicts too much. The rare value wife and family was a prize, not all that beta in this case. I doubt he adjusted his life much to provide for them, he just allowed them to use his resources.

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[–]RedMoonAscendant 3 points4 points  (2 children)

This comment confuses me so much I must upvote it.

[–]Unholy_VI 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Me too but it has a really sort of creepy genuineness to it. 10/10 would upvote again.

[–]RedMoonAscendant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aw fuck now it's [deleted]. I can't remember what it said.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My grandpa, whom I never met, apparently also was very alpha and cheated on my grandmother from what I heard but she stuck with him. He was a good provider so I guess that was why. He was a millionaire but went bankrupt later in life and still managed to hustle in a lot of cash doing sales.

[–]Natural_RP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pay attention gentlemen. This is how our world can be if we get rid of alimony and at a minimum cap child support payment at say 300-400 dollars a month.

No woman wants to leave her meal ticket if it won't continue after the divorce. Remember she doesn't mind sharing her alpha.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Simple, Matt doesn't give a flying fuck. Matt doesn't give a fuck about his wife, her friends, his belongings should he divorce and anything else for that matter. Matt is Zen. Matt is outcome independent.

OP, you're a fucking pathetic dude.

[–]MissMariJane -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This bitch is such a chump.