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Off TopicUsing Psychedelics for Personal Development. (self.TheRedPill)

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Summary: TRP's resident junky here to give you a low down on how I used psychedelic drugs for emotional development and life progression. I've had way too many requests from people to type this up, so this is really for those that are interested. The post is long, I know. Many will be too intimidated to read the wall of text. I wanted to get it all out at once. Multiple posts would be disjointed and I didn't want to spam the sub. If you can push through it well done to you. This isn't a joke post, this isn't just a deadbeat druggy trying to push his lifestyle on you, this is an information post. A life field report. Take from it what you will. I owe my entire life to psychedelics and TRP. These were the two things that woke me up to the world. I want to share how.


When Gavrilo Princip shot Archduke Franz Ferdinand on the streets of Sarajevo it set off a chain of events that led directly to the first world war. The dominoes had been in line for a couple of years all over europe and that assassination was the finger that tipped them over. One by one each domino fell until the world was a different place, ravaged by war, border lines redrawn, a new era for the world.

And WWII, entirely impossible without the events of WWI. WWI needed to happen to set the stage for the second, even more destructive world war; and when we came out of that, the world was drastically more different. Drastically.


In the summer after my first failed year at university my girlfriend and I went on an improptu trip to amsterdam. I'd just discovered weed at college, and I took to it like catnip. We got a hotel, we smoked some bud and ate some edibles, got high off our faces and wondered museums. Then on one of the last days I stumbled into a smartshop and we bought two 10g packs of psilocybin truffles each. My gf pussied out when she saw and smelled what we had to eat, and to be fair to her, they were disgusting. I told her I was wary of having my first trip while she was there sober, so I told her to go to vondelpark for a few hours or something. She left me in the hotel room with a bottle of water, a bed and my phone.

8 hours later I came out of that hotel room a different person. The dominoes in my life had been stacked for a long long time, and that trip was the push that led me into a world of self discovery and emotional growth. I call it my Princip trip.


I've found that growing up isn't really that gradual. Now others may have different experiences but I've realised that you don't really grow up every day, it's not like you earn maturity points every day you wake up. No, I realise that growing up, or developing emotionally, is something that happens in stages. You jump from one level to the next, you do not slowly climb. My adult development has come in a series of big leaps triggered by major life events. Only after these life events have I come out the other side and realised I'm a different person to the man I was before. It's like I'm on a platform, and every so often, I climb onto the next. I look down on the platform I was before and laugh or cringe at how stupid or immature I was.

I often see others on the lower stages I was on before, and having lived in those stages myself, I understand and don't hate or blame them for their immaturity or stupidity. I see a kid spending all his time playing video games or pedestalizing women and I don't blame him, I was at that stage once in my life. I've left that platform now, and I'm on the next.

And often I see people in stages of emotional development that are vastly higher than mine. Some of my role models, some celebrities, some of the posters on here. It reminds me that I haven't "finished" yet, that there are still levels to climb onto, and that one day I will look back at my current level of development and laugh and cringe at myself.


My life has been defined in before and afters. Events so important to me that they have made a lasting impact and taught me huge things about myself and the world. The knowledge all comes in one go and it comes in thick, it can be psychologically painful or freeing. The Epiphanies and eurekas all come in at once, and they seem so fucking obvious in hindsight. You collect dominoes throughout your life and set them up, it's the big life events and the subsequent quiet meditative moments to yourself where you process and digest it all.

It's those nights that you spend awake in bed wondering what the fuck you're doing with your life. It's those plane journeys staring out the window contemplating your existence. It's those evenings sitting next to an amsterdam canal with a joint and a psilocybin comedown listening to Lorde and realising you've been a fucking embarrassing idiot for the majority of your life.

I'm going to list some of the life events that caused "jumps" in my consciousnesses, where I ascended to a higher level of "me". You can call each and every one of these events "waking up", because that's what they essentially are.

  • Realising I was a sentient being. This must have happened sometime in my early childhood. Such a big jump that I can't even remember anything before it.

  • Reading the Harry Potter books from start to finish. 9 year old me came out of these stories utterly changed and different and more mature and emotionally available. They were the first "real" books I'd read and they smashed open the world of literature for me to appreciate. Required fucking reading for any child.

  • Rejecting God at an early age, and questioning the sanity of the adults who pushed it on me. I was 11, how could these adults around me cling to this? Are my parents really that stupid?

  • Questioning authority and getting unjustly punished for it. The first time I realised that life was not fair, I was freed. I started seeing the world for how it actually was, not how I was told it was.

  • The first time I left the country, and discovering how big the world is

  • The death of my father

  • Performing for others on stage and absolutely embarrassing myself.

  • Losing my virginity

  • Getting beat the shit out of and lying in bed regretting my fucking arrogance

  • My first job.

  • That first fucked up relationship every guy has at least once in his life, where he comes out of it a different person and with a new outlook on life. For some of us, this happens multiple times.

  • Travelling by myself for the first time

  • Moving to college

  • Reading Machiavelli

  • Psilocybin

  • TRP


Now, of course I've got to have a disclaimer. I'm just a kid who messed around with psychedelics in college. I will be honest about my drug use and explain, chronologically the benefits they've given me, and the times they've fucked me up. My experiences will not be your experiences if you decide to try them. I am no authority on drugs. I do not have all the information. I do not want PMs with drug questions, I won't be able to answer them. There are countless places online where you can learn about other's trips and various drugs. Erowid is a good place to start. I'm only going to to be talking about my experiences.


Weed

"I sit back with this pack of Zig Zags and this bag Of this weed it gives me the shit needed to be The most meanest MC on this - on this Earth"


Weed is a trap. Take that from a stoner. I understand fully now why the government, or my parents, are so against it. I do not want my child smoking weed at an early age. Only when he is mature enough to control it.

I didn't have the capability to control my THC intake. I loved it. It sedated me. I did it all the time. It shut up the fuzz of depression in my brain. It chilled me the fuck out. It allowed me to talk to people without stressing out about the interaction.

It made me so fucking creative. Bud made me daydream in ways that I hadn't since I was a kid. I couldn't write or compose while high, but I sure as hell had the most creative, best fucking ideas of my life while blazed. I would jot down notes or lyrics, or even hum melodies into my phone recorder to listen to later and make into a song. I would be astounded by just how... good... the shit I would come up with would be. I would write stories and while they were still shit, they were vastly better than anything I could have come up with sober.

But then I stopped using it for creative purposes. I started waking and baking, and smoking after every meal, and before bed, and after sex, and after a shit. I'd smoke all the fucking time. I became broke, groggy and fucking lazy.

It spiraled me into a deep depression. I spent all day just laying in bed on reddit, having a toke, maybe playing a video game or two. I did not study, I didn't partake in my hobbies or follow my dreams, I just blazed all day. Weed was my only hobby. I went to amsterdam so I could smoke better weed than the shit I could get.

Weed causing depression is an odd thing. I've learnt that drugs changing you isn't some kind of outside affliction, like a disease. No, they just set off the train of thoughts that lead into the eventual epiphany or depressed state. I could have achieved this myself sober, the drugs just sped up the thinking, made me reach the goal quicker.

Weed didn't make me depressed, weed made me lay in bed all day. Weed made me not eat because I couldn't be bothered to cook. Weed made me broke because I spent all my money on weed. Weed made me skip class or the gym becuase I was too high.

Skipping class and the gym, not eating, being broke, not getting out of bed, not seeing my friends, not showering and playing video games all the time. These things made me depressed. And while I could have done all these things without marijuana, it was the bud that put the pieces in place for me to fall into it. The bud made me depressed, I smoke bud to drown out the depressed thoughts. You can see how the cycle perpetuates.

I pulled myself out, and you'll see how. I still smoke weed, I've learnt to control it. I've learnt how to make the most of it now. I follow one simple rule with my weed intake:

Never smoke on your own.

I realised that if I was to sit on my balcony with a six pack and drink them all and then collapse into bed, and do this every night, and drink in the morning too; I'd be a fucking alcoholic. People go to meetings for this shit. I was no different. My first step was admitting that I had a problem with weed.

The next step was to stop masturbating with marijuana. I stopped smoking on my own, only with friends, only at parties, only after fucking some broad if she was down too. It changed everything, it gave me complete control, it allowed me to channel the high into something creative or social.

I have made SO many friends, good friends, lifelong friends, best friends through marijuana. All the stoners just kind of glue together, and I'm glad. Some of them are fucking losers, some of them are finding their way in life like me. I am glad weed has given me the chance to meet them. I owe weed everything, even if it did fuck me up for the longest time. Weed was my gateway drug, it led me to other drugs, and they changed my life in other ways.

Oh, and it makes you eat fucking loads. For a skinny shit on a bulk, it was a godsend. That's if I could be bothered to cook.

Weed was the first drug that took me from one stage of my life to another. I came out it different. I came out of it realising my body and mind were capable of so much more. I wanted to find out how far.


Psilocybin

There's only one way to describe a mushroom trip, or any trip for that matter, ineffable.

I would do it no justice trying to explain it in words. Those who have tripped before will understand exactly what I mean. Language just isn't capable of expressing the feelings and thoughts you have while tripping, but I'll give it my best shot.

I took 10g of truffles in a hotel room in amsterdam. I waited and waited, nothing. Nothing happened for a while. I'd follow the instructions on the packet, I had an empty stomach, I had two packs of trip stoppers in case I was to have a bad time. Nothing happened for a while.

And then I felt the tingles, and then I realised I'd been standing in the middle of the room doing nothing for half an hour. I was coming up and I was about to experience something I was unable to comprehend. I'd taken 10g of my truffles, the overconfident idiot in me decided to take my girlfriends dose as well. I wouldn't recommend starting your first psychedelic experience on a dose made for experienced users. It might fuck you up. I was fine, in fact I think I came out better than had I done a lower dose. But i'm not sure others will be the same. Regardless, a deep, dark, fucked up trip was exactly what I needed.

The room had started to warp, hallucinations had begun. You realise very quickly on your first trip that while the warping and twisting and colour of hallucinations is astounding and beautiful, you know it's just your eyes basically malfunctioning. I had complete control over the hallucinations, I just needed to focus my eyes and they went. Or I could lay back and let them go wild and deep. It was very very fun. Then I stopped looking at the walls and lamps and flowers and started thinking. And oh boy.

I understood everything. It was like my mind had gone from 30mph to 100. I was still me, I still had self awareness, I still had my memories and my thoughts and my philosophies, they were just amplified.

I could think about anything and understand it, just straight up make complete sense of it with no trouble. I looked up my old math exam paper that I flunked in high school. I spent two hours doing it, I was rusty, but i'd never enjoyed myself so much.

I looked back on my life, the way I've been acting, the things I thought. I processed it all. My relationships, my family, my school, my friends. One by one I picked at all these things, analysed them, deconstructed them, filed them away.

Only years later during one of my first CBT sessions did I realise that I'd CBT'd myself under psilocybin. That 8 hour trip was better for my emotional wellbeing than months of psychotherapy.

I cried and cried. I sent my mother a message telling her I loved her. When my girlfriend came back I looked at her in wonder. I'd never fully appreciated her until that trip. I'd never fully appreciated just how beautiful and supportive she was. I remember thinking that day, I am captain of the ship, she is my first mate. She is my sous chef. I want to hold her hand and take us both on a journey. I was confirmed in my thoughts by TRP later on, and I now I understand why I thought that way.

Coming down from your first trip is probably one of the saddest things you can experience. It's painful yet melancholy. You don't want the trip to end, in fact, you wish you could operate on that level of consciousness for the rest of your life. You learn to accept it and let it go. It's very akin to the end of a relationship, a breakup. The insecure child inside wants everything to remain the same, but you know that everything has to end eventually. You wake up in the morning with a hangover and a slight afterglow. You wonder through the Van Gogh museum and are fucking astounded. Honest to god, I never truly appreciated or even understood art until I'd had a good dose of Psilocybin. Now I like to think I do, now I can look at a painting and draw something from it. Before I couldn't, but holy shit were the galleries in Amsterdam absolutely beautiful on the afterglow of my first mushroom trip. For the second time in my adult life (and not counting being kicked in the balls) I cried.

I came home, staring at the clouds through the plane window, and realised my life was going to be different from there on out. Everything was quiet, people seemed more relateable, there was much less stress, more understanding. I'd moved onto the next level of maturity, it all happened at once, in the space of 8 hours. The mushrooms had kicked it off. The dominoes had fallen. I was a different person, but still me.


Not so bad

One thing that the shrooms trip taught me was that while it was intense and deep and magical, it didn't fuck me up like everyone said it would. I'd had this idea of drugs instilled into me that they can make you go crazy, that people who do drugs always turn out worse at the end, that drugs are SUPER SUPER powerful and it's a big deal to even be around them.

Nah, shrooms made me realise just how tame and "disappointing" drugs are. Well they're not disappointing, but they're definitely don't live up to the ridiculous paranoia projected on us about them. They're just really fucking cool. Plus, I'd just survived 20 grams of psilocybin truffles for my first time, if that didn't fry me into a potato, than I doubted anything less would.


MDMA

I do not snort MDMA up my nose. In fact I refuse to do any drug that needs to be injected or snorted.

I bought some Ecstasy pills on the darkweb. I used a VPN, I used tor, I encrypted all my messages. 10 100mg pills arrived, I'd read reviews of the seller on the website I bought from. It all checked out. I looked up the pills on erowid, they checked out too. I didn't buy a testing kit but I probably should have. They were MDMA though.

I took two pills, then another. Then the rest. What a fucking idiot. I would not recommend doing 1 gram of MDMA for your first time. If you do trip you'll realise that you feel invincible and on top of the world, that you can handle anything. And to be honest, you can. 1 gram was okay, and the way that MDMA works means that I wasn't exactly tripping equal to 1 gram. The more you take, the less effect each subsequent pill has. Your brain can only produce so much dopamine.

MDMA made me forgive myself. I forgave myself for being depressed. I forgave myself for wasting my life. I forgave myself for not following my dreams. I forgave my failures.

I forgave my mother for not being mentally stable, I forgave my dad for dying. I forgave my girlfriend for not being the perfect pedestalized unrealistic unicorn I was expecting her to be. I forgave women for behaving in solipsistic ways I for some reason expected them not to. I forgave them for being just as "shallow" as we are. I forgave the betas and the white knights, while I can't save them, I hope they can save themselves.

MDMA was the kick up my ass that told me to do something with my life. It made me feel like anything is possible if I work at it (which is true), it made me stop stressing about past mistakes and fuckups, it made me stop blaming the world for my troubles, it reminded me that life was unfair, something that I'd forgotten for a while. It removed all sense of entitlement I had.

MDMA gave me empathy in ways I couldn't believe possible. Everyone is lost and just trying to find their way. Everyone. It makes you realise everyone is just as insecure and fucked up as you are. It made me realise that my anxiety and insecurity is just an evolutionary programming that helped my ancestors survive. I wouldn't be rid of it, I will carry it for the rest of my life. I should stop trying to fight it, or cure myself, I accepted that anxiety is an inherent part of me, and everyone.

I stopped blaming and judging people for stupid shit. I started to understand that good people do bad things because they are hurt or in pain or just don't understand. I stopped losing my temper at people, I stopped being impatient with tourists on the street. I stopped taking it personally when I was slighted.

I don't really understand how people can go clubbing on MDMA. It makes me want to just lie down and contemplate existence. I also get pretty bad turbulence; those 30 minutes or so of rolling around sweaty and your stomach turning that you wish you hadn't take the drug. That's normal. These pills aren't made by GlaxoSmithKlein, it's just some dude in his basement. They won't be pressed perfectly, you'll be hit by it all at once. Ride out the anxiety and worry and sweatyness, it's over before you know it.

I still have the trip stoppers from Amsterdam. I've never needed to use them. I've never had a bad trip. Bad trips don't exist for me. If you're in a shit mood and take drugs, you'll have a shit time. Who knew. Plan your trips well, have some food, some water, and a day of recovery afterwards. You'll get hungover because you're dehyrated and your serotonin levels are shot, that's normal. Drink lots of water before bed, take a multivitamin and 5-HTP when you can. These things help.

I CBT myself with MDMA all the time. All the fucking time. It tells me to calm the fuck down and get on with my life. It's not a big deal. Everything is chill.

MDMA taught me stoicism better than any book or trp post ever has. It made me shut the fuck up and observe.

And the first time I did MDMA with my girlfriend? Wow. You'll never be closer to another person. All your problems are resolved. You just talk it out, complete straight talk, no dancing about. I can imagine MDMA has fixed a lot of relationships, and ended a few too, those that needed to end. It just makes you behave so.... logically. It's the perfect couples therapy. Take it with your LTR if you're having problems.

And the sex, wow, the sex.

One thing I do have to say is, if you're gonna drop Molly, lock your phone away and every form of communication you have with people. I messaged everyone I wronged in my life on my first MDMA trip and apologised, I tried to connect with old friends and scared a few away. You will be a soppy bastard and people will not understand, and you will wake up in the morning and cringe.


LSD

This is my drug of choice. This is the one I've done more than any other. LSD is very akin to a shrooms trip, just "milder", less deep, fucks with you less, and much more bright and colourful. If I had to compare them in terms of music, I'd say my mushroom trips are Radiohead, my LSD trips are Gorillaz. Both smart, both deep and dark and complex, but one more playful and colourful and funky.

And that's what LSD gives me. The funk. It's this weird kind of groove that I carry with me. This IDGAF attitude that will stick with you even after the trip has ended.

LSD makes me MAD. It allows me to be pissed off with people who are no good to me, toxic friends, stupid colleagues. It allows me to be more assertive and not a fucking doormat.

It makes me pissed off at myself. I look at myself on Lucy and I say "damn son, you haven't lifted in like a week, you skinny shit. You've been eating crap, you didn't talk to that girl cos you're a weak faggot, why is that book half read, why are you so behind in your studies?".

LSD is akin to the older brother or the dad or the TRP poster who's shouting at you to stop being such a wet rag. It makes me get up and lift, it makes me cook, it makes me read. It's the best brain bleach you can have. Cleans all the fucking shit away from your brain. It shuts up that inner monkey child inside of you, in fact it beats the shit out of it.

And it teaches you IDGAF in ways you wouldn't believe. The only 10s I've ever cold approached and picked up have been while on acid. And it was fucking easy. Fucking easy. Don't believe me? Try it. You straight up don't give a fuck. It makes me dark triad to the core. It makes me Machiavellian. It makes me super fucking productive and driven, it tells me to follow my dreams and complete my mission or GTFO.

LSD cured my addiction to weed. Once again, it wasn't some magic drug that stopped me smoking. No, it just gave me the tools and thought processes to follow a line that eventually led to me dropping the dependency. I've had friends who said it's done wonders in helping them quit cigs.

LSD is where I learned and developed my frame. LSD is where I finally figured out amused mastery. I went on my vacation, I discovered shit while out there, and I brought it back with me. LSD is like a study room, or a TRP page, I sit there, I learn, I epiphanise, and when I'm back in the real world I put it all into practice. And it works.

LSD has made me powerful. Powerful in every aspect of life. It amplified the intensity of how much I want things. It encourages goal seeking behavior. I feel stronger, I feel smarter, I feel like my life is in control, I understand everything, I feel like I can shape myself in any way I want.

I'm not lying when I said I developed frame under acid. My eyes are stern now, I speak less, I observe more. I don't bother giving advice or trying to save people. I don't let myself be affected by other people's shit. Amused mastery is absolutely natural to me now.

And whenever I slip frame, or I can see myself breaking down; I take another good dose of acid, and every single time without fail it pumps me back into the groove of my life and sets me back on the right track.

There was a phase during a hard time in my life where every sunday I would take the train up to the countryside with a bag of weed and a few tabs, lie in a field or a forest and just trip. Every sunday I would allow myself this break, this little getaway from the world, and it would do wonders. The rest of the week would be perfect and productive. I did this every sunday. I needed the rest. It was my church. It was a time for me to connect with myself, to process my thoughts and sort out my life, to plan ahead.

Now I don't need that, my life is better, meditation helps, I have more control. But if ever things start falling to shit again, I'm going to start going back to church. There's nothing better than tripping somewhere beautiful by yourself. Try it. One thing I've yet to do is look at the milky way while on acid, too much light pollution where I live. That's one of my life goals.

I started having some really deep trips. I was taking 400, 500, 600 ug at a time. I would lay in bed for hours and think. Just think. I would sometimes forget how to breath, and have to do it manually. I would't feel my face, I would touch it and it would feel like my hand was going directly though my head. I would sometimes go blind for a few minutes. I would close my eyes and dream awake, have full fucking dreams while awake. I would experience insanity for hours. It was ridiculous. I never want to get that deep again. It wasn't good for me, but I'm glad those trips happened.

During exam season I would microdose on acid. I've tried Ritalin, I've tried Adderall. They have nothing on this shit. Acid is my drug, it's propelled me through life and into the next stage of maturity multiple times, although I think now I've exhausted it's powers. I've learnt all that can be learnt, and now I just use it as brain bleach, a reset button, or for church.


DMT

Never again.

Maybe ayahuasca one day with a trained shaman and a good, safe environment.

Otherwise, never again.

I cannot fucking believe my body was capable of that. I cannot process it. Not even now. I was an idiot to even try.

I don't even really want to talk about it. All I know is that I shouldn't go back to that place again.

EDIT: to avoid more people thinking I'm trying to paint this drug in a bad light. I'm not. I'm just terrified by it still. I wasn't ready for DMT. I didn't have a bad experience, I didn't have a good experience. I just wasn't ready. It was mind shattering. It felt like dying and being born at the same time. The "beings" I met basically told me to fuck off out their world. Some people have had great experiences, I'm not sure what to define it as. I've never understood true terror until DMT. I felt the icy cold horror chill you feel when something startles you from behind. Like a huge catlike predator was hunting me the whole time. For 20 minutes. At the same time it felt like I was at the centre of a giant star/womb, burning hot and protecting. Never have I understood Orwell's doublethink until DMT. Never have I understood yin yang until DMT. It was subsequently the best and worst thing I've ever done at the same time. I don't understand how I could feel such polar feelings at once. I could even feel the different sides of my brain working independently. Or maybe that was projection. I don't know. I can't remember a lot of it. I repressed it. I came to on the floor drooling and having shit myself out of fear. I wasn't ready. If I am to try it again, I'd do it with a professional or someone experienced


Vacations

I don't do drugs that often anymore. I think I've learnt all that can be taught, drawn out as much as possible from them. It's something that has to be rare. It's called a "trip" for a reason. It's a holiday, a vacation. It's something you do to clean yourself and get away from your world. I'm sure many of you have come back from a vacation utterly changed and refreshed and ready to tackle life again, that's how it feels after all of my trips.

And vacations, you don't take them every week, or even every month. If you decided to holiday every weekend, or every day; you will soon find you have no control of your life and are so busy enjoying yourself on your "trips" that you don't do anything productive or work on your mission.

I treat my drugs like vacations, I take long breaks between trips, and I trip only when I think I need it. When I need the reset button. That's what psychedelics are too me, Psilocybin, MDMA, LSD. Every single time I do them I feel like my brain has been washed. Like I've hit a reset button. Like I've cleaned away all the brain sickness and shitty depressed or bluepill thoughts.

As I go through my life I collect all these bad thoughts and hurt and pain and anxiety. They collect like dirt in the pure glass of water that is my mind. Meditating is like letting the glass sit and the dirt collect, then skimming it off. A psychedelic trip is like emptying out the glass and refilling it with fresh water.

I refill every so often, sometimes just for fun. Sometimes when the glass gets really fucking dirty.

But If i keep refilling a a clean glass, it may be fun, but it is not productive, it won't give me any benefits. It is better for me to wait between my trips and live a productive life, using the trips only as vacations.

Psychedelics "ascended" me onto the next level of maturity, each in their different ways. I did each drug multiple times, sometimes mixing them, they didn't "ascend" me anymore after a while. The jump had already been made, and it wasn't going to work again. I was already on the next platform. It wasn't a hack that would make me grow up every time I used them. Now they're just a cleaning tool.

And just like how WWII was impossible without the events of WWI, I could not jump to each level of realisation until I'd made the previous jump to the step before that. Weed gave me the jump that paved the way for shrooms. Psilocybin gave me a HUGE jump, then MDMA, then LSD, multiple times.

I don't know what I need in order to jump to the next level. No one does until they see it in hindsight. TRP was a big fucking jump for me, and so were psychedelics. Now I continue work on myself and my mission. The next jump will come eventually, no need to rush it.

Lessons Learned

Well really, I'm not trying to teach you any lessons, but you can draw what conclusions you need from this post. Yesterday I posted a rant on how TRP has helped change my life, but I owe a lot, A LOT, to psychedelics too. That's what this post is for. Maybe the lessons is that drugs can be useful if used correctly. The conspiracy theorist in me wants to believe they're restricted because governments are afraid of people figuring shit out and getting smart with them. I know I did. Whatever the reason, I honestly think that everyone in the world should have at least one psychedelic trip if they want an enriched life. Even just MDMA. You won't know how they change you until you try.


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LSD rewires your neurological pathways. Its a shortcut to breaking old thinking habits and allows you to quickly experience new perspectives... Sometimes good and admittedly sometimes bad.

Really there is no complete coming down from the LSD high - its more like a new normal. Definitely not something you can go to the well with more than a handful of times in your life. The more you do, the more you put your sanity at risk. Having said that - a few exploratory journeys into the sublime isn't necessarily a bad thing.

MDMA erases your fears and anxieties. The first time you take it you think Ah-ha! I've finally found the perfect drug - all the euphoria - none of paranoia and selfishness! But like anything else, something that is too good to be true generally is. That purity of heart darkens rather quickly with repeated use and after a short time you realize that it blackens your soul like any other drug (if not more) when you lose yourself in it - doing depraved shit.

Weed? LOL Weed... You get hungry and tired. yawn

Opiates - thank goodness I don't know much about. Pills never did it for me.

Cocaine... Well there's a horse of a different color.

That's more the TRP style psychotic thinking man's toy. Drink more and fuck harder than you ever did before - well at least for the first year or two. Then all of a sudden it takes away your 3 favorite things - eating, sleeping and getting an erection. What a cruel trick - something that makes you INSANELY horny and impotent at the same time. If you are a scheming fucker you learn how to snort the shit and still be able to fuck the snot out of pussy - keeping that party going. Its just a matter of putting shit in the correct order and in the right quantity. It also forces you to fuck hotter women - because the less attractive ones fail to give you a rise. Coke is the eviliest shit - you get on that ride and eventually find yourself struggling with serious anhedonia because your brain stops producing dopamine and serotonin correctly. What alcohol takes years to accomplish - cocaine can do in a few short months. When you get there its a dark, dark place.

When I was in my 20s I got on the Terrance McKenna, Jim Morrison, "WTF does it all mean" trip. My cousin was an anthropologist/archaeologist turned bartender-waiter (among other enterprising ventures not to be named) and we both were like mad men spinning crazy lines of bullshit while getting absolutely stupid-eyed. Yes there were girls... Lots and lots of girls.

When you are young, fit and have access to the best of the best it affords you status in certain circles. You want to talk about dark triad? Heh. That reality suffers no fools. You either have the will or you don't.

When you finally figure out all the grand mysteries and that road of excess brings you to the palace of wisdom - you find out that the temple needs serious renovations. Drugs are what you do in place of succeeding in life. They are a success simulator in that they allow you to feel the high highs that ordinarily come from diligence, perseverance, patience and hard work. Instead, you get it in minutes just by ingesting some chemical. Its a short cut. When you are young you think you are invincible, but as you age it begins to dawn on you how much it is the opposite.

I'm not saying there isn't a fair amount of useful dark wisdom to come from the experience, because there definitely is. However, it comes at great risk. Time is finite resource in your life. Choose its allocation wisely.

[–]52576078 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ever tried iboga/ibogaine? That's a whole other level again. Completely life transformative. It kills me that governments have stopped us from experiencing these glorious gifts from nature that are some of the most powerful educational tools available.

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Weed is like... weed is cool man! I can't believe you would throw it under the metaphorical bus like that, man.

[–]young_beard 138 points139 points  (29 children)

I've done my fair share of psychedelic and non-psychedelic drugs. I won't disagree that doing shrooms or acid will give you some sort of different perspective. But I've also found that, if you're looking for it, a different perspective is really not all that elusive. Drugs will alter your mind and get you thinking a different way. But if you're someone who does a lot of drugs, being totally sober will also do that. Taking a class, working out, talking to new people will all have the same effect if you let it. Not saying drugs are not valuable in some ways, but just that they are not more powerful than your own mind and force of will.

[–]maniclurker 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Totally agreed with most of what you're saying. However, for me, psychedelics have caused some of the most paradigm shifting revelations I've ever experienced. Nothing has rocked me harder than my second trip on shrooms. My first time was with other people tripping, and we all ended up being absorbed into each other. However, my second time, I ended up having to take a cab back to the house while everyone else stayed out. I ended up diving into the deepest parts of my identity while staring at a wall for like 3 hours in my underwear.

Shrooms are fucking crazy.

[–]pdpbigbang 8 points9 points  (12 children)

I highly doubt you would be saying this after a DMT trip. I've worked out to exhaustion countless times in my years at crossfit/MMA gyms, talked to countless people serving tables, took about 7 years of college, and nothing comes close to a single DMT trip. One trip was enough to make me realize I was merely an organic machine with a mind that is capable of completely dissociating from the reality and experience something out of this world (not an exaggeration). It made me realize the government has pumped their own agenda for people to abide by. It made me realize how fearful people are of the unknown but benign just because it was 'illegal'. It made me realize just how close-minded psychology community was, when I realized psychedelics were still not available to be researched on. All of these from a 10-minute experience on DMT.

[–]aewiggin 6 points7 points  (7 children)

But did you really never think about that stuff before? I know I've had the old "brain in a body" feeling a couple of times.

It seems like psychedelics affect people who just don't really "think about things". I don't know how to articulate it.

[–]Polaris382 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Did you experience a 10 minute actual breakthrough, or you just mean 10 minutes to completely come down?

One of the things that really frustrates me about DMT is how brief your time is in "hyperspace" (If I had to guess, I dont think its ever gone beyond 2-3 minutes for me) or whatever you want to call it.

Its like oh shit, where the fuck am I? Hey this is kind of interesting...and then its over, and am only left with very vague memories, at best. Not to mention that the smoke is harsh and there is an art to smoking the stuff, which makes it fairly easy to fuck up and waste a lot of it. I want to really spend some time exploring that place though. I dont know if Ayahuascha can get you there or not.

[–]pdpbigbang 0 points1 point  (2 children)

10 min was a generic way to say the shortness, but I haven't actually measured the time of trip and comedown. The trip certainly was fleeting and gathering anything from the trip was like trying to remember a dream. But that doesn't mean that I haven't tripped, just like your dream could still affect you despite having close to no recollection of it. And the length of it really didn't matter to me as much as what I had seen. The implication of an illegal drug giving me an insight into the construct of this world and having my consciousness altered with almost 0 negative consequences were more important than the length of it. I'm sure Ayahuasca, if brewed correctly, would give you some time to ponder over the experience. However, from what I have gathered, some shamans mix Ayahuasca with Brugmansia, which has a chemical compound called scopolamine, which induces a zombie-like state, hallucinations, and devoiding the person of free will and making them susceptible to suggestions. Although I have wanted to try Ayahuasca myself, at this point without any scientific studies into the compounds being mixed into the brew, you're subjecting yourself to being a lab rat to an unknown mix of hallucinogenics, hoping you'll get some sort of answer at the end. I'm sure the experience will be powerful, but I'm not quite sure the 'enlightened' people just feel better after having been subjected to a great ordeal, or they actually got some answers. Either way, I wouldn't bet my life on taking something that is up to someone else for the dosage and exact composition of the compounds. I've made the mistakes of relying on someone else for ingesting certain chemicals without fully knowing ins and outs of them, and they weren't pleasant.

[–]Polaris382 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You can actually make it yourself, or even find vendors that will sell you ready to consume. For the MAOI Caapi Vine is supposed to be the "traditional" way, but Syrian Rue is popular as well. Then Mimosa Hostilis (I would imagine you could even just consume Freebase Dmt after the Maoi, but Im not completely sure).

One of these days I may get around to it I dont know. I definitely consider DMT the most interesting substance Ive done, and would be curious how that method is like. Like I said it would be nice if it can facilitate an extended stay at that place...unless of course you freak out. Then it could be bad.

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    [–]joh2141 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Yeah it really depends on the mentality of the person. Even with proof suggesting that these kinds of drugs can help your mind more so than not, some people simply cannot handle tripping. I remember many of my friends had terrible experiences. I actually knew two guys who legit "never came back" after a trip. They were changed forever.

    [–]bountyhunterdjango 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Agreed. You need a strong mental state to begin with to do psychedelics. You need to realise that they might change you and you need to pull yourself back into reality when you're finished no matter what, because some people don't. Sorry about your friends.

    [–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Don't worry about it. If it's one thing I learned, you really can't save people from themselves and you can't beat yourself over it. The kids who lost their minds were already on their way to probably becoming full on junkies to hard and addictive drugs. I still think losing your mind to psychedelics is better off than ODing on heroin, which is so common everywhere on the planet.

    [–]BlueFreedom420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You sound like a bad late night commercial.

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        [–]52576078 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I think you have to distinguish between "drugs" and psychedelics specifically. Most people think of the stoner stereotype i.e. someone with no goals in life, who uses drugs as a form of escape. But psychedelics are the complete opposite of that, particularly something like iboga. It's like an encounter with the deepest, wisest, smartest, truest part of yourself. It has been described as years of therapy in one session. As OP said, these are things you take very sparingly, maybe once or twice a year, in a safe and supported environment, almost as an annual retreat. I can safely say that my experience with iboga was the most profound thing I've ever done in 50 years on this planet.

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          [–]BlueFreedom420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Taking a class is completely different from doing drugs. Most people's minds are small egos of a consumerist bent. It takes a master to recreate what drugs do easily, not going to class and talking to your friends about mundane bullshit.

          [–]Inyobch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I agree in some part but some people don't let that change occur and drugs sometimes sparks that. If you were stuck in your own way then it's a plus

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          [–]TryDoingSomethingNew 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          That was a great comment, thanks.

          Would you say the mindset stayed with you after the experience?

          [–]stevo2209 8 points9 points  (19 children)

          Can anybody shed some light on DMT? I've seen some documentaries on this before and to be honest the general outlook on it was that it can be very useful for self-improvement. I've heard people like Joe Rogan go on about the benefits he got from it.

          I've taken acid,mdma etc etc but DMT is something that's caught my interest for self improvement reasons rather than the reasons I've taken the other shit.

          [–]dope_a_delic 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          DMT is pretty damn cool, but kind of like Dystaxia is saying... I wouldn't equate it with self-improvement. It does give you interesting revelations because it's pretty unbelievable before DMT that it's possible to experience something so... otherworldly. But I feel like I 'learn' a lot more on LSD because the experience is a lot more tied directly to my life. DMT kind of opens the door for 10 minutes into this other crazy world that's apparently always going on or something hah. The body buzz is great too. I always describe it as it feels like the universe is giving you a hug. Definitely recommend it!~

          [–]joh2141 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          This is probably the best thing anyone can show you.

          https://vimeo.com/37633048

          That's Terrence McKenna talking in the background explaining in as much detail as possible his experiences of DMT. The visual effects are supposed to represent what you feel and see though I felt different things. Terrence McKenna and small group of people talk about entering this alien world where they can physically see and communicate with other-worldly beings. I myself don't have any opinions on McKenna so whether or not you want to trust him is up to you. I personally think everyone who has the balls should try DMT at least once. But there are definitely some dangers of it especially if you already aren't a stable minded person. Nothing in it is like other psychedelics where it helps you compartmentalize your head. It simply smacks you in the face out of wonder. I think as McKenna says it "DMT sounds dangerous; only if you fear death by astonishment." It won't help you improve yourself

          Around 6:30 is where he really goes into depth about how it feels for a very deep and intense DMT trip. 13:30 his 2nd segway talking about the deeper stage of the trip which I think is the real mystique and wonder about DMT as you start seeing entities who begin talking to you.

          If you can accept that the universe has at least 10 dimensions and there might be more, and you buy into the whole "afterlife" bs, then the deepest realization of DMT trip might interest you and McKenna's theories on DMT might be very important to you. There are many more accounts people experience meeting other "entities" during the deepest DMT trip; almost similar to others'. FYI McKenna is not a spiritualistic person or any of that new-gen guy.

          [–]Dystaxia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I wouldn't say DMT is as valuable for person development because of how intense it is. It's abrupt and so jarring that you can't really ponder the things in your life you'd like to improve, only hold on and enjoy the ride. It's likely to promote a lot of existential questions but less so ones applicable for personal growth.

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            [–]RememberingAlpha 3 points4 points  (3 children)

            I smoked DMT while on about a .3 of MDMA, three tabs of LSD, a red solo cup of Mushroom tea, and many lines rocked on Ketamine.

            After that experience, I'm really not sure the human mind can be much more inebriated. It was quite the experience.

            [–]progggrammerr99 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            On a high dose acid trip? Or just a tab or two?

            [–]Thewelshpill 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            watch the movie "enter the void" its free on youtube i think

            [–]Adach 6 points7 points  (2 children)

            That's a crazy movie but it really doesn't do dmt justice imo

            [–]Thewelshpill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            of course but it's worth a watch!

            [–]PillyQ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I drank multiple brews of an Ayahuasca analog, tripping multiple times in a span of about an hour and a half. I stayed high for a good amount of time, multiple times.

            Initially, there's a feeling of being rushed somewhere. A small hum turns into a deafening ring in my ears, my body feels lighter, and it appears as if I'm looking in a kaleidoscope that is spinning toward me. The visuals become so vivid that it fully encompasses my vision, like a filter that becomes completely opaque. It feels like I'm being sucked through a tunnel.

            When the rush came, I lost feeling to my body. I no longer perceived it was there. I was afraid I might have died for drinking too much, but I knew I didn't since I perceived that I was still thinking. In fact, I had three different trains of thought that ran simultaneously. My thinking self was visualized as a wisp. It was floating through the kaleidoscopic tunnel. Soon, I found that I no longer felt like I was being rushed through the tunnel, but I felt like I was still moving. The most prevalent feeling at this point was that everything made sense. There was no pain, no worry, or any kind of discomfort. It was just this overwhelming, perpetual sense of "Eureka!" I felt like I understood profoundly that everything is connected. I felt one with everything.

            I stayed in that state until I came down. Then I would drink more and more, trying to feel it again. I desperately wanted to be able to experience it enough to describe that connection, but when it wore off, I wouldn't know where to begin. There's still a lot I left out. There were things that I just perceived, and I have no clue how to describe them. For instance, I'm not sure how to describe what it feels like to see patterns, then becoming the patterns.

            Edit: got carried away. I saw no noticeable affect on self-improvement. The experience was so out-of-this-world that it was hard to pull anything relevant back to apply in my life.

            [–]smfc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            i probably wouldn't do DMT unless i had a doc or someone IV it into me or if it's in an Ayahuasca drink. I want the full experience.

            [–]PickleWickleton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I was, and sort of still am, going through times of self improvement and all that when I discovered dmt. I only tried mushrooms for the first time a month before that but had been hearing about dmt for months before THAT. I was only taking the self improvement part serious for about 3 months at the time I found dmt (I wasn't taking mushrooms to party,m and I can't imagine doing so), I don't want to try and sound like a counselor or nothing but before you try dmt, make sure you're taking it for the right reasons. Ok. So the visuals are crazy, hypnotizing really, but once you're about to take a toke, remind yourself to close your eyes and keep them close! I stress it enough how important that was for me. Once I opened my eyes, the trip that I wanted was gone and closing my eyes again wouldn't bring it back again. I got some awesome messages/revelations that blew my mind, although much of it felt as if it was sacred and as I came down I was already forgetting it except for a residual understanding that this life and this world isn't what it looks like at aallllllll. The latter part of coming down did give me some clarity to view myself objectively with and fortunately stuck with me but I've heard from others that it isn't always the case. By the way, the after effect might stick with you for a couple weeks. A week after vaporizing it with my old roommate, he said he saw the lake near our house bow up like a bubble then back down. "Once you get the message, hang up the phone" -Allan Watts I didn't realize how on the nose it was regarding psychedellics. No matter which ones you venture into its a good thing to remember to keep sane.

            Also, mushrooms are great for depression and self improvement. But I wouldn't party on them. Take them seriously and they'll take you seriously, ok I'm kind of a hippy but IDGAF.

            [–]knightSwolaire 8 points9 points  (3 children)

            The day after I tried acid for the first time, I woke up giving less a fuck than I did prior, and that feeling never went away...

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

            I cleaned my room and that was about it; also stopped watching shitty tv shows.

            [–]knightSwolaire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I honestly don't think I ever "really" came down from my first time doing Ecstasy.

            [–]Senior Contributordeepthrill 10 points11 points  (2 children)

            Interesting post and experiences.

            So I want to share how I use weed. Weed, one you can control your own mind, can give you great creative insights into yourself and patterns in the world. It also gives you a dopamine boost. But it can also make you groggy if you take it too frequently.

            The most important thing about these insights from any drug are record them! Write them down. It's fucking useless if it doesn't positively affect your life sober. Talk with your buddy about your insights and screenshot those texts. The test is only if it positively changes your life when you're sober.

            Yet the limit of these insights are that they can only come from within. There is a huge amount of experience you have had in your life, but nonfiction books such as philosophy or business books can inject new info and insights for you.

            The power you feel from knowledge can closely approximate some types of highs.

            As I said you also must beware of the grogginess coming from too much drugs.

            I have developed a system to keep me in check, based on modern scientific research on habits, motivation, addiction, etc., and it's remarkably simple:

            I only smoke weed when I finish a nonfiction book. And I always smoke weed when I finish a nonfiction book.

            The benefits are:

            • It prevents me from smoking too frequently since it takes a little while to finish a book.

            • It gives me incentive to increase my knowledge faster than just using discipline or motivation. Dopamine conditioning is more powerful than discipline (read The Power of Habit for more info).

            • It builds a habit of learning and always injects new knowledge into your high insights.

            Works for me, might work for others.

            [–]JackGetsIt 27 points28 points  (6 children)

            I'm always fascinated in the variety of places that people will physically and mentally travel too in their quest for meaning and purpose. My experience is that men do this searching more broadly and intensely then women do.

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              [–]JackGetsIt 15 points16 points  (1 child)

              It just so happens when you walk into most rooms, if you're a truth seeker, you'll find the people around you are not which is quite depressing

              Agreed, and I like what you said about nobody knowing what your talking about and isolation that comes with that. It reminds me of the blog post that visualizes the levels of academics up until a Ph.d.

              [–]RedpillPIjonson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Everyone should read the above posted link truly fascinating. Really emphasizes the importance of science and how our lack of understanding of it leads to dead humans. His other post "Hunting down my son's killer" is also a lengthy but great read IMO.

              [–]aradone 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              It sounds very interesting. What do you mean by women already have the keys within them? Because if i understood it correctly, By meditating(psychedelics also) we see things as they are not what they should be. Is it about feminine intuition that makes them feel things clear without using logic/analyzing like us.

              [–]oxykitten80mg 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Men have always been the searchers of the species. Maybe women don't have that need due to the fact they can create life, I dunno. Me were the first explorers of the globe, and now the earth had been explored we are going into space, and into the deep recesses of the ocean and mind. I think we are just the more curious of the sexes. Women don't seem to have this wanderlust men do. Our new discoveries and inventions are what we give birth to.

              [–]Thewelshpill 24 points25 points  (8 children)

              Nice to see some real truth being spoken about weed instead of stoner bums banging on about how it should be legal and it's all a government conspiracy!

              However as a veteran psychonaut, i really don't advocate using drugs to "figure yourself out" or "spiritual enlightenment".

              [–]manslutalt 10 points11 points  (1 child)

              I love weed. I agree it causes issues if abused, and I admit I abuse it a little, but it has also opened my mind a lot. The enhanced creativity is great when reflecting on events or just trying to figure life out. I see so many more connections than before. Sure, some of them are bullshit, but even that can be fun. Weed makes me more enthusiastic about my own thoughts, encourages me to "think bolder" so to speak. It teaches me to appreciate the boring and mundane and helps me see the beauty in my life.

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              What is this?

              [–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I mean there are studies that suggest in most cases psychedelics have a good effect on the brain (assuming you don't abuse it). Using it to "figure yourself out" is actually not that bad of an idea.

              Also there's physical proof a compound in THC can slow down and stop cancer cells while leaving normal ones.

              With that said, there's a line you draw. When you're too attached/obsessed with something, you're doing something wrong.

              [–]RedPistola 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              What do you use them for then? Recreation?

              [–]vagbutters 5 points6 points  (2 children)

              I don't buy into the shit that libertard kumbaya types try to sell with psychedelics. As is the case with numerous drugs or products (e.g. GMO's) with agendas and money behind them, you better take their long-term side effects with huge grains of salt.

              Don't rely on drugs for anything, ever. If there's one thing RP has taught me, it's that taking life by the balls and morphing it to your will takes work that is otherwise easily placated through drugs, junk food, porn, etc.

              [–]my_sfw_alias 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              For a lot more info on this, joe rogan experience with aubrey marcus has at least 5 episodes that delve deeply into plant medicines like ayahuasca, san pedro, peyote, very spiritual stuff and how to find a quality shaman and do the journey properly instead of freaking out and having a bad experience in a club

              [–]skeletonized 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Aubrey Marcus is seriously what Whitney Cummings is searching for, craving for, and will never find on her own. Joe would create a pregnancy if he invited them both on together.

              [–]RedWinter88 4 points5 points  (2 children)

              Surprised you didn't go into Timothy Leary's 8 circuits. It's really fascinating.

              So for example, as a kid you get bit by a dog, so from then on you are afraid of dogs. This doesn't change unless you "re-open" that circuit, whether it be therapy or drugs (probably drugs) then you can re-wire it. So for guys with PTSD, once they take LSD it "re-opens" the circuit which allows them to go through therapy and at the end of the trip hopefully have a better grasp on their PTSD or possibly even cured.

              Good analogy with weed and alcohol btw. Weed is definitely a slippery slope. With alcohol it's obvious your screwing yourself over getting drunk every night, but with weed it's "okay" in the sense that you can still operate under the influence but once you smoke alone, it's "okay" to smoke... Well that's how you end up addicted. It's not even that you necessarily need the weed but you become addicted to the routine. So kudos on the "don't smoke alone" because while it's great socially, once you smoke alone every night you start realizing the negative impacts on your life.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Weed opens me up socially and offers me a great amount of introspection while by myself. If you can discipline yourself with a healthy diet/ go to the gym every day then you can limit your weed consumption as well. I only do it when I feel comfortable enough and have 0 obligations at the moment. I usually only ever do it at night and on weekends. Often times I'm offered it I refuse. I don't really have an addictive personality, but I know some people do so I understand.

              [–]snorted_the_red_pill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Haha, was just going to comment about Leary!

              For anyone else wondering about the 8 circuits, read here: www.deoxy.org/8circuit.html

              (can't get reddit hyperlink working *shrug*)

              [–]Theophagist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Remember that this is the anecdote of one person, and while 100% valid to him, may not apply to you.

              Spot on with LSD for me though. I try to get it once a year to reset and reflect. Shrooms suck for me, too intense. One day a dickhead friend planted the idea that mushrooms stay in your body and become part of you, like a parasite. I knew it was bullshit but by the peak of the trip I was all "SO BE IT! I AM THE MUSHROOM!" Too much.

              I've smoked weed pretty consistently every day for about 7 years now and managed to make major, major major lifestyle changes while still consuming, but I noticed that in the times where I made the most progress I smoked the least. Eventually I got into dabbing (last year) and that just went off the deep end, dabbing at every meal, dabbing at work, dabbing before bed. My tolerance got so high I simply quit because I was burning through a quarter gram a day on my own.

              On the first day of no smoking I found the motivation to do things I've never done in 40 years of life... I dusted. I organized my junk drawer. I sorted my ring box, guitar gear collection, toolbox, all sorts of shit that would have made me numb and frustrated whilst high.

              I also found that smoking would make me blow frame way more often. People who know me on this sub know that I often boast about my massive charisma (about the only thing that gets my ugly ass any tail), but if we rank my maximum relative to itself as ten, while high it was anywhere from 5 - 8. No bueno, and no poon-o either.

              Don't get me wrong, I'm still 420 for life but it's WAY less frequent and I'm better for it. Never "before" anything and never in social situations. Maybe twice a week, late at night while studying Latin or on a lazy Sunday with my bro. I won't even date a chick who burns all the time unless she's irresistibly good looking.

              [–]thiagoco 4 points5 points  (5 children)

              Whats up with the DMT? I got some amount in the middle of some book on my shelf, been there for about 4 months, still sealed.

              [–]pdpbigbang 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              I don't know why people are giving you hard time about DMT, but as long as you find the correct way to smoke it, it's gonna be the single most profound experience of your entire life. The world as you know it will go right out the window, and you'll see what can only be described as 'impossible'. Your experience will vary greatly with dosage and method of smoking, but at the end you have this utter sensation of wonder and cleansing. It showed me that there was a world beyond this reality and something else alien was right within our reach but generally inaccessible. For me, I found home for my soul. And you can take this as a whacky theory, but I've convinced myself that our individual consciousness has a collective consciousness to return to after our existence in the human body. DMT was by far the most comforting experience that I could have, but some do experience fear. That, I believe, is because they didn't entirely let go of their obsession with control of consciousness. DMT trip, unlike any other psychedelic trips, absolutely cannot be controlled. It is a rocket ship that shoots you out into the hyperspace and all you can do is to know that at the end of it, everything will be ok. "You have to let it all go. Fear, doubt, disbelief, and free your mind. - Morpheus" But most of all, you have to let go of the idea that death is this terrible thing that should be avoided at all cost, when in fact it is just going back home. It is only after you have accepted mortality you can fully appreciate DMT trip. I highly recommend it.

              [–]shoonx 4 points5 points  (3 children)

              LSD definitely changed my perspective of life, especially my own. My first time dropping is what put me on the red pill path. I remember browsing through this sub, and was already a little interested, but never actually took the pill. I was an "armchair redpiller", so to speak.

              I remember looking at myself from a 3rd person perspective during my trip, realizing my flaws, how out of shape I was, etc etc. Definitely an eye opener. What sucks about LSD, is that you forget a lot about what you were thinking about during the trip. It's a good idea to keep a pen and paper handy, if you can write during the experience, of course.

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                [–]EvrythingISayIsRight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                One thing I do have to say is, if you're gonna drop Molly, lock your phone away and every form of communication you have with people. I messaged everyone I wronged in my life on my first MDMA trip and apologised, I tried to connect with old friends and scared a few away. You will be a soppy bastard and people will not understand, and you will wake up in the morning and cringe.

                Aint that the fuckin truth. Every time I decide to use MDMA I first decide that I shouldn't message anyone on facebook/skype/whatever, because I wouldn't normally. Then when the shit kicks in, suddenly everything changes. Now I want to connect with everyone, and share positive experiences with them. The first time I did MDMA I fucking called my dad at 10pm. I still kind of cringe about it. I think he knew I was fucked up on something, but I dont think he knew it was MDMA. Anyways, overall it went well. He wasn't weird about it and we did connect on some level.

                I also messaged some lost connections on FB, and some of them were.... regrettable. Anyways, point being: fucking hide your phone or something because you will inevitably change your mind about the "maybe I shouldn't message everyone I once knew" thing.

                Anyways, your whole post really does drop some solid knowledge about experiences and developments from drugs. I just can't help but think that if I read this 5-10 years ago I would disregard literally everything about it because "drugs are bad, mmkay", and I bet many people on reddit will do the same. Whatever, maybe one day they'll open their minds.

                [–]reigorius 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Which drugs are safe to take alone, which ones are best done with a trusted, sober friend and which one should be taken together with a friend or girl?

                [–]smfc 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                that 3.5g psilocybin mushroom I ate 4 years ago changed my perception on everything. i still thank jesus every day for allowing such a mushroom to thrive on this planet and share it's knowledge with us.

                [–]validstatement 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Amen. I often feel like psilocybin is almost a cheat code that God wrote into the universe and then left to the lucky few to find.

                [–]manoloman2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                I smoked DMT and I had an extreme experience that changed my life, I've been in a spiritual path since then, now I smoke weed maybe once a week, and since DMT the effect is different, I have realizations and is helping me to grow mentally/spiritually and I'm glad that I don't even want to think about smoking every day, I'm learning and changing my life following TRP, the weed is only an addition, I like it, but i don't love it, if you tell me that I have to be a few months without smoking I wouldn't have a problem, I did it before

                PD: for safe use and more knowledge of psychedelics check this youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn8V3KNSgDr1Dai77_y8JrQ/videos

                [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (15 children)

                2013, did lots of weed and acid, got psychosis...

                But it is awesome, now i meditate

                [–]newmeforever 3 points4 points  (13 children)

                How much LSD did you do to get Psychosis?

                And can you elaborate on what your psychosis entailed?

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (12 children)

                Not much actually, 3 or 4 times.

                It's hard to describe. It was an awake nightmare.

                A lot of weird ideas popping in my mind every second.

                Just some examples, i thought lyrics were written specially for me, that i was a kind of jesus, heard sounds of wild animals, thought that i was on a journey to legalize weed, that i could transmit thoughts, that my life was the trumans show (everything i was doing going on TV; when people saw me on the street they pretended they didn't know me); they took me to a ward and i thought "here they gon give me the red pill finally... i'm already almost out of the matrix)(had seen the movie like 1 month before)

                got into a hospital for 2 months. actually much worse than the psychosis itself.

                Schizophrenia, how many of ya got it? How many motherfuckers can say they psychotic? Sometimes you can get so paranoid from ganja that's it gotcha thinkin the whole world is watchin ya

                actually this was the "bad" part of my "trip". for some weeks before this psychosis, i had what i thought was an spiritual emergence;sounds were more vivid, lights... all psychedelic.; it was the greatest fucking thing in my life so far. everything was sacred, everything was perfect, i was always blissful, like i had awoken the god within me. i saw a tree, i saw rain, and i started crying of joy, its ineffable

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                  [–]ThePounder 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  This. Do you know how much you supposedly took? Not the amount of times, but rather the dosage.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  one tab, like one square, one dose, i dont know how u call it

                  [–]ThePounder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Doesn't sound like LSD. Most likely some research chem. Those suck, horrible trip. Nothing like LSD, unfortunately.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Yeah, i guess it probably wasnt real LSD,

                  but i think u can get psychosis from lsd too, maybe not so often

                  [–]D-White 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                  Yea, I've heard some pretty discouraging comments about how finding real LSD is basically extinct. Although, I've never embarked upon familiarizing myself with how to get it in the first place. Sucks. It's the only thing stopping me.

                  [–]BlueBlus 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                  On the other hand SWIM has done LSD over 20 times and does ievery few months recreationally and spiritually. You can find some on the dark net and its better to get some there than from a dealer. First time SWIM tried "LSD" it was 2C-B. The second time his eyes finally opened up.

                  Please be careful with drugs.

                  [–]D-White 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  Forgive my ignorance, who is SWIM?

                  [–]GIGANTIC_ARAB_DICK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  it means "someone who isn't me"

                  [–]newmeforever 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  crazy shit.

                  Thanks for sharing.

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Psilocybin mushrooms changed my life. I no longer do them or any drug except beer on weekends.

                  I was in a depressed state and smoking a lot of pot and drinking too much. I was around 22.

                  I bought 2 bags of mushrooms at a concert (different sources) and waited until home to take them with a close male friend.

                  We split the first bag and got giddy. Started coming down, split the second bag which was stronger. We talked about life and basically admitted we were both fucking up and both cried. It was much more intense than what I wrote and was over the course of hours where we discussed our lives in detail.

                  Changed my life for the better.

                  It was a "bad trip" but exactly what I needed. It took away all my emotional defenses I had built up to keep from accepting the truth about myself.

                  [–]RememberingAlpha 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                  Psychedellic enthusiast here.

                  I find Ketamine to be very introspective. As a disassociative anesthetic, you truly look inward at yourself from the outside- you are disassociated.

                  DMT cannot be described. I am in favor and enjoy greatly.

                  I find more spiritual growth on Psilocybin

                  LSD and I don't get along that well.

                  MDMA- Only if its off the deep webs.

                  Cocaine - Every weekend.

                  [–]Thewelshpill 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                  COCAINE EVERY WEEKEND? YOUR MY KNIDA GUY

                  [–]pdpbigbang 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  TIL cocaine is a psychedelic.

                  [–]RememberingAlpha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I think its more safely classified as a psychotropic. But the difference is negligible.

                  [–]Mithra9009 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  And often I see people in stages of emotional development that are vastly higher than mine.

                  My issue with this is right there. How do you know that you're seeing people at higher levels of emotional development? The thing about the development of consciousness is that you basically can't really see what's above you at all. All you can do is realise that you can't see those things. There's no way a blooper would be able to "recognise" a redpiller as being "above" him. Hell, a blooper probably isn't even conscious of there being levels and the possibility of there being a reality outside of the one he's been programmed to believe in.

                  My stance is that the very act of perception, in and of itself, is also a skill that must be developed. Consequently, you can't truly recognise who's above you. Can you honestly say that the role models you had as a child are the same as the ones you have now?

                  [–]Stythe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I agree with most of what youve said and I agree with your ending point on doing drugs far more infrequently. I've done my share of them and whike they have been useful much in the ways you stated, I realiz now that had I been willing to look honestly at myself, ego free, they wouldn't have been special in the growth sense.

                  Regardless, they way they remove social filters is incredibly useful (and risky if you don't have strong character) and I do support the idea of treating mental issues with them. I may not think they're as good as people say, and in fact I think they can be a waste or outright dangerous as well, I do appreciate them for what they are.

                  [–]1ToSeeAndToHear 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                  Interestingly, an article just went up yesterday about the medical community doing research into how psychedelics can help with mental illnesses, as well as just general wellness. The research seems to say that it's sort of the inverse of a PTSD event, leaving a lasting positive impact on mental processes, behaviors, and life satisfaction.

                  I'm afraid your post combined with that article has made me want to try LSD and psilocybin in a controlled environment with sober people that I trust.

                  Article link: http://www.vox.com/2016/6/27/11544250/psychedelic-drugs-lsd-psilocybin-effects

                  [–]TryDoingSomethingNew 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  I'm waiting for the Bitcoin transfer now then I'm going to try 1 or 2 things I'll purchase from the deep web; his post was really good.

                  [–]TheChadicus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Coincidentally, I actually converted to TRP after one of my most memorable 4-HO-MET (mushroom analog) trips. While tripping, I vivdly remember thinking about how I've had to find my sense of self-security over the years, how it's changed me for the better, all because I never had any external validation from the opposite sex growing-up (was a beta, WoW Nerd, Skinny-fat, etc.). Immediately after this, I started thinking about people who were on the polar-opposite end of this spectrum (people who receive excess external validation), which inevitably led to thinking about attractive girls. Right then and there, that's when the pieces of the puzzle started to paint a picture. I realized that because most attractive girls are always receiving external validation (mainly because horny beta men tell them what they want to hear & can't control their impulses), they inevitably become reliant on it (it's merely a side-effect of their psychological development/environment). As such, they will try to validate themselves (externally), as best as they can. This is performed by getting the most alpha man they can find to commit to her. Here's the caveat though: "as soon as she's given the opportunity to leave her current partner, for one that she finds more alpha, she will, because she's insecure & relies on external validation for security, and so by doing this, it will validate her better than staying with her old partner." Basically, I learned the correlation between attractive females and having shitty, insecure & narcisstic personality traits, & that 99.9999% of attractive women, will have no problem leaving you, if they think it will result in a situation that validates them better. They're all hypergamous. AWALT.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Just FYI, MDMA releases serotonin, not dopamine

                  [–]Tyler_Gatsby 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Finally had a chance to sit down and read all this, and the comments... good post! Its not easy explaining sensations to people, but you did it as well as could be done. Been a stoner for 20yrs(I'm 35, started at 15, no I don't recommend this) and used everything mentioned I think except DMT. Honestly I'm too intimidated from having those bad trips you managed to never have. I grew/sold shrooms during the spring/summer, so have done more than my fair share. Only new drug I'm currently interested in trying is Modivinil(Limitless). Sorry for the autobiography, your poor inbox...

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I'm tripping on acid rn so I don't want to write a long reply. Really happy i'm not the only one using drugs to broaden my world view and improve my personality.

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                    [–]Thewelshpill 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    (DMT) is a naturally occurring psychedelic compound of the tryptamine family. DMT is found in several plants,[3] and also in trace amounts in humans and other mammals, where it is originally derived from the essential amino acid tryptophan, and ultimately produced by the enzyme INMT during normal metabolism.[4] The natural function of its widespread presence remains undetermined. Structurally, DMT is analogous to the neurotransmitter serotonin (5-HT), the hormone melatonin, and other psychedelic tryptamines, such as 5-MeO-DMT, bufotenin, and psilocin (the active metabolite of psilocybin).

                    http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/dmt.html DMT is also naturally produced in small quantities in the human brain, and it has been hypothesized that DMT is produced in the pineal gland in the brain. The pineal gland appears in the developing human fetus around 49 days after conception. Perhaps an embryo should not be considered human until DMT production commences. Note that "zygotic personhood" (the idea that a fertilized egg is a person) is a recent concept. For example, before 1869, the Catholic church believed that the embryo was not a person until it was 40 days old. (See my letter to President Bush on Cloning, Abortion, and Stem Cell Research.) Naturally occurring DMT may play a role in near-death experiences and alien-abduction experiences.

                    [–]aewiggin 6 points7 points  (6 children)

                    I've never tried psychedelics, but I've always been skeptical of the way people talk about them. I can't imagine being changed as profoundly as some people have described. I'm pretty interested in how it actually feels, though.

                    [–]progggrammerr99 18 points19 points  (1 child)

                    Trust me, before i took acid i thought it was a load of shit. When i take it, it gives me a 3rd person perspective on myself

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I tripped before finding TRP, and a couple of times after. IMO, that perspective you're referring to is interchangeable with "frame."

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Psychedelics activate parts of your brain that you don't typically use together. It's like it temporarily shifts how your brain processes reality, which in my opinion, is the definition of changing your perspective. If you think you have a healthy ability to see things from multiple perspectives, tripping probably won't have as profound of an effect on you. If you've been "plugged in" for your whole life, taking in your surrounding at face value, then yes, I think it can have a pretty dramatic effect.

                    [–]pdpbigbang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    A lot of our living aspects are actually beautiful lies as well. None of what we have get transferred after death. They are all things to make our lives more comfortable and beautiful. The objects in our lives are simply tools or art pieces and nothing else. When we die, none of what we used to possess matter. But our experiences may actually have more chances of being carried with us to death. No one knows what happens at the moment of death or we even exist at all afterwards. But I'll bet on the idea that what I experience will be more valuable than what I possess.

                    On a side note, I do enjoy mescaline (phenethylamine family) greatly. It opened up my heart to people in a way that I could never do as a shy, anxious person. Not even alcohol could do that for me, which only made me look dumber.

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                        [–]Jzeezy420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        And 1000 mics of acid?! You won't come down for a day

                        [–]selfiereflection 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                        Using drugs outside of purely social reasons is a form of escapism. However escapism isn't wrong nor should it be swept under the rug. That said denying that it causes issues is disingenuous. Understanding yourself and understanding others is something everyone desires. Moving forward with your life is the ultimate goal and one should not lose sight of that.

                        Drugs also serve as a vice to people who lack control. Culpability is at an all-time low and society is simply placating people who only seek the status quo. TRP is meant to be a catalyst for personal growth. Drugs, most of the time, cause stagnation. They may be beneficial, but there is still a major amount of individuals who failed due to drug use.

                        Try drugs if you want to. Have unprotected sex with sluts if you want to. Buy a dog if you want to. Your life is yours to choose. Drugs usually cause more problems than not. Like the Blue Pill or the Red Pill. It's yours to choose. Choose wisely.

                        [–]Dystaxia 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                        Psychedelics are a strange beast though. It is hard to regard it exclusively as escapism because if you are tripping with intention for personal development you'll be brought face to face with all the issues you normally just keep in the back of your mind and don't give much thought.

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                              Damn dude. That's literally the only negative endorsement of DMT that I've ever heard/read. That's on my bucket list.

                              On a side note, I recently took mushrooms and that experience absolutely aided in me developing frame. Not just with women, but betas too. I'm not use to other men looking to me for direction, but I guess it's better than having them as competition?

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                              Psychedellics cannot be used often. I've dissolved my ego and my sense of purpose, now getting it back. I did them through highschool. And they get dark quickly. At least they make you see the world for what it is, but it's easy to get real disullisioned and say "fuck it I'm worthless" then get some oxy and waste off. Granted my drug of choices were 2ci(emotional headspace of psilo and body high of mdma) and DXM(don't do it). I went literally schizo.

                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              As Maynard James Keenan has said:

                              “I think psychedelics play a major part in what we do, but having said that, I feel that if somebody's going to experiment with those things they really need to educate themselves about them. People just taking the chemicals and diving in without having any kind of preparation about what they're about to experience tend to have no frame of reference, so they're missing everything flying by and all these new perspectives. It's just a waste. They reach a little bit of spiritual enlightenment, but they end up going, 'Well, now I need that drug to get back there again.' The trick is to use the drugs once to get there, and maybe spend the next ten years trying to get back there without the drug.”

                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              mfw reading this post

                              The counter-culture black knight is both the best and worst black knight.

                              Be careful of that dyonsian downfall though - it's a helluva ride.

                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Yes trip balls, improve yourself. Got it.

                              [–]Aywing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              I am extremely happy for reading this, thank you OP.

                              [–]fnoobreported 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                              Don't randomly do this shit if you are not willing to accept God in your life.

                              It can really mess you up mentally.

                              [–]validstatement 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Can you explain this a bit more...?

                              [–]Falkrik 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              Very good point. I feel I should add:

                              God=love=acceptance

                              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Drugs are like video games- waste of time and money with no ROI. And video games don't come with jail time. Get a different job. Find a new hobby. Expand your reading. Plenty of ways to adjust your perspective while maintaining productivity and not poisoning your body in the process. I feel about drugs the same as I do hookers- they're for people who lack the fortitude and will to make real changes so they shell out cash for the quick fix.

                              [–]WildmanThaGod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Let's go to the desert and do some Peyote!!

                              [–]SubtankMini 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              What do you think About microdosing LSD?

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                              What is this?

                              [–]kolluminko 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              hey man thanks for this article.

                              i want to take mushrooms since a while and this summer i will travel to the netherlands therefore.

                              would you recommend taking them alone to have the best mystical experience or together with somebody? i might bring my girlfriend, who is courious too, but i am not sure...

                              also, which kind of surrounding works best? a lonely room, nature, sea, the city?

                              [–]Hippo_Kankles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Never had the opportunity of psicosclyyin (spell check lol) but I've been on a spiritual LSD journey with my best friend before he passed. Been rolling every other weekend for about 3 years now off of some darkweb mdma. Definitely changes your perspective on everyday situations and can really help you find yourself (who you really are and what you like) if you haven't yet. Weed... What are we,still in highschool lol?

                              [–]TryDoingSomethingNew 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              I really appreciate the post and found it informative. I posted a question somewhat similar over at AskTRP but got nowhere with suggestions for supplements or even more "potent" items to try for enhancing personal development.

                              I do have one question: Why not DMT? Can you elaborate?

                              Ayahuasca has been described by those who went on treks in South America, etc., to use it under the guidance of shamans as a life-changing experience, to the point of supposedly "releasing" their insecurities that otherwise might not have happened.

                              What about DMT concerns you? It would be really helpful to know more. Thanks.

                              EDIT: I see you updated your post and answered my questions and those of others, too.

                              [–]rockinhard130 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              DMT left a permanent impression on me and I'm forever not the same. Mine was beautifully terrifying. The after affects were like you experienced on LSD for a while. That's the only psychedelic I've tried and I want to try LSD in small doses for life enhancement. Good post.

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                              What is this?

                              [–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Yo this post talks about some real shit regarding something as harmless as weed and about the "trap" that actually exists. I still smoke weed (in form of dabs) but in comparison to my friends who are straight out blown potheads, it is different worlds. With new proof of THC compound physically stopping and preventing cancer cell growth while leaving normal cells alone, this will only get even bigger.

                              But the reality is this; ganja makes you lethargic. Of course, it really depends on the person but the base physical chemical effect that is happening in your body makes you less reactive. You have to really condition yourself to be active when you smoke weed otherwise you will probably just get lazy, play video games, and essentially just become a bum. Weed is not the cause; every human being can fall prey to this kind of bad habit. Weed only makes it easier for it to happen; sort of like you can get lung cancer without smoking cigarettes but smoking will definitely increase your chances.

                              Marijuana is not any type of psychedelic and its effects are rather physically beneficial but mentally... not so much. Actual psychedelics like DMT, shrooms, LSD I find actually helps fragment and compartmentalize your brain. Sort of like your mind is just one giant pile of mess and psychedelics help you organize it all. There's actual studies on this though much of it is still premature. You can see that in many cases suggesting psychedelics are extremely helpful in this regard. In fact, this can be why many tribes and indigenous cultures with witch doctor-like rituals used psychedelics. To give them clearer head. The culture simply must have misinterpreted this as gods will or some supernatural thing.

                              [–]AmazonExplorer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Please stick to youtube BlackPigeonSpeaks

                              [–]Kirix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              I don't see a correlation between taking psychedelics and adopting Dark Triad type personality (Machiavellian, narcissism, maybe psychopathy on acid...). The reason being is things like MDMA make you more empathetic, agreeable, conscientious, openness, extraversion, etc.

                              Acid can also make you less susceptible and can break you of conditioning, which there is a lot of in TRP, unless you just take what you need from it and omit stuff like "how to game strippers" guide.

                              [–]LanAlMadragoran 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Fellow psychonaught here. I have a few words about good and bad trips. I usually have a lot of fun on a 'good' trip, but it is mostly meaning less. 'Bad' trips are where I learn the most about my self, the struggle of the trip makes me grow as a person, and reshapes my identity.

                              Similarly in life, you find that the good times are fun, and all, but its the bad times that define you who are and what you are made of.

                              Thats not to say don't have a good time its just to say that bad trips, and moments of your life that you find difficult, should not be thought of as a curse. Rather they are blessings in disguise.

                              The red pill is very central to this theme. Lots of guys come here in their moments of despair, and grow out of it by building a solid and brand new foundation. One that is now based on the truths that they realized about the world, one that will last. In comparison the blue pill/beta kids are still in dream land. They are on a 'good trip.' Having a good time! Yay! Sooner or later reality will come crashing down, and when it does they can choose to rebuild themselves upon the same old foundation, or they can decide to change something about them selves during this reformation process. Just like most of us here are doing. We are constantly reforming, and adapting to the truths that we discover in the world. Rather than allowing others to instruct us upon what is right or wrong (e.g. social media movements), we simply observe quietly and take note on reality, based on FACTS that we see. This is an important red pill principal to acknowledge. No matter how hard the truth is you need to accept it, and adapt.

                              Similarly when you have a bad trip you're gonna have to accept some facts about your self to be true, once you can accept them then you can work on changing them. For example you accept that smoking weed everyday is having a negative impact on your development as a man.

                              [–]plsjustgo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Awesome post. Obviously it affects everyone differently, but it's interesting that you had a bad time with weed. I just got those epiphanies you had with MDMA and shrooms about a week or two ago, just from half a handful of weed (made into an edible). Porn has been and sometimes still is an addiction for me and weed makes me less compelled to consume it. I guess when you already have one addiction it's a lot harder to create another.

                              What happens with me and weed most of the time is that I try extra hard to be cool, to be normal, rather than do the typical thing of being lazy piece of shit. And by doing that it leaks into my sober state and I fix quite a bit about my mentality.

                              I forget why but I wanted to get rid of the stuff. After mixing a handful of AVB into some beef, I fell asleep. I hear about monks that are capable of awareness even during the blankest moments of sleep, where it seems nothing exists. It felt like I died. I woke up confused, with very little memory of anything, almost forgetting what life is entirely. I assumed ego death. I also write music so I went through songs I've been working on recently to bring the memories back. Music is beautiful in that way.

                              I realized though that I actually forgot the meaning of life way before I started weed and weed just retaught it to me. TRP, stoicism and becoming more of a man made a lot more sense. To say to people that I saw death and came back would be strange. But as everyone knows, those experiences change people completely.

                              I knew that I couldn't tell anyone about my experience because of the nature of it. I'm the only one trapped inside this mind and body. And that fact branched into your epiphanies about everyone being clueless and broken and that anything is possible. No one really fucking cares about you which is a good thing because it frees you up. I can trust myself more. I've skimmed off some, but not all of the shyness, anxiety and faggotry I've developed over the years. There shouldn't be anything but myself that is stopping me from bringing back the best traits of myself that I lost. It's this totally solo thing, I couldn't have come to these conclusions if I weren't alone.

                              [–]AlwaysBC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Eye opening and honest post. Thanks

                              [–]ImSquanchingInHere 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              LSD helped me a ton with my OCD/obsessive thoughts and anxiety. It gave me a chance to level with myself without having my guard up, if that makes any sense. They've also used it to treat people with PTSD.

                              [–]52576078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Yes, there's a huge amount of research coming through about the use of psychedelics with PTSD, depression and anxiety. Just need to get governments to get the hell out of the way, and let people do the research!

                              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              shit I'm opposite. Acid and mush freak me out, but DMT is the bomb. Freedom.

                              [–]1scissor_me_timbers00 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                              Thanks for promoting this perspective and taking the time to write this all up. I'm thoroughly in favor of using psychedelics in this way.

                              Done it before but played it way too safe. Always used light and sparingly when my situation and problems probably really required a deeper dive, but I was too afraid of the possibility of exposing myself to too much shit in my psyche and causing a bad trip.

                              Now I'm late 20's and desperately in need of some serious growth. Been starved of growth my whole youth due to mental problems which, again, probably should have been more aggressive in using psychedelics to overcome. Bout to do some serious psychological exploring this summer. I'm up to my fucking eyeballs im frustration and nonstop developmental delays.

                              [–]52576078 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                              I'd recommend iboga specially for the type of thing you describe. It's a very therapeutic experience, and you should do it with an experienced sitter. Can be life transforming.

                              [–]1scissor_me_timbers00 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              Ibogaine is definitely on my list. However I think it's too intense for me right now. Mushrooms are my plan for the next year at least. Still have some intensity and good introspection. I think I can gradually pull my head out with the help of those. much easier to find than Iboga/Ibogaine too. I've always had productive experiences on mushrooms. Just need to be more aggressive about it now though cuz I am missing out on life fucking hard.

                              [–]52576078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              I felt very safe and supported on ibogaine, but I think it's very important the space you're in, and person you have sitting with you. Good luck, I hope you find what you need.

                              [–]kilik2049 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              That was a great post. I still have to have a great trip with shrooms and LSD, but I recognise a lot of what I've been experiencing in your words.

                              [–]Theebenedetto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Great write-up. Next time, do actual research on MDMA. Obviously, 1 E pill is enough. 10 is deadly..

                              [–]Godspeed311 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              Nice post! Great insights into some unique experiences. I did just want to mention one thing about your statement:

                              you didn't talk to that girl cos you're a weak faggot

                              Along with your statement:

                              I think I've learnt all that can be taught

                              Please consider contemplating your intentions for making the first statement during your next experience, and I believe you will find new areas of personal growth waiting to be discovered.

                              Sorry for picking out the one point of contention I ran into while reading your very well written and informative post. I am just trying to help my fellow TRP brothers overcome their need to distance themselves from or insult other men who happen to be gay or bisexual. I think both communities have a great deal to learn from each other, and I certainly don't consider "faggots" to be weak in general.

                              Anyways, thanks for taking the time to share your experiences. Never stop growing!

                              [–]Endorsed ContributorHeathcliff-- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                              [–]beginner_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Great post. Never done psychedelics but it's very high on my bucket list exactly for the reasons mentioned. To possibly make a next step, get a different view point. The first time taking MDMA was such a step for me. Can only recommend it.

                              But a word of warning: drugs are illegal for a reason. There are dangers. So if take something don't mix it with alcohol or weed or nicotine. And psychoactive drugs can backfire any time. About the 5th time I took MDMA, I had a panic attack out of the blue. Did not know what that was before it. Never taken it again since. Eg. drugs have their uses but if the use expires, move on.

                              [–]schmolch 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                              Psychedelics are just another form of entertainment. It might be more insightful then watching movies on your 4k TV but once the flick is over all you have left are some fond memories. Facing your reality and establishing a regular meditation practice will do alot more for you. Like lifting it requires discipline and just like in lifting you will become stronger by facing your weaknesses.

                              [–]52576078 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                              Have to disagree, my friend. I thought the same for many years, particularly after a bad mushroom trip as a young student. Many years later I transformed myself, and dealt with some pretty crippling anxiety/trauma symptoms with the help of psychedelics. These are wonderfully powerful agents of change if used with the right attitude and approach.

                              [–]schmolch 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              I'm really glad they helped you and my opinion is of course based on my experience even if it's worded as an absolute statement. My own experiences with shrooms and LSD have actually been very positive (it was about 15 years ago). I imagine psychedelics as a giant sledge. They shatter your reality about yourself like nothing else and you are given the chance to rebuild yourself without the flaws you might have had. It is indeed very enlightening to suddenly experience that what you thought is your absolute reality is nothing but a creation of your mind. What you struggled with for your whole life is being disassembled by the big sledge within a matter of seconds. That is pretty f*cking cool. But still, among all the advice you might be looking for on reddit, advice about diet, lifting, dating and self-improvement, psychedelics are just on such a different level. I would not give them to my child struggling to grow up and become a man. I would rather lock him up inside of a shack to meditate for a couple of years. I will be a great dad some day ;-)

                              [–]52576078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              You sound like you will be a great dad :-)

                              I hear you. Believe me there's no better man than me for self improvement. I'm the guy everybody comes to for advice on you name it. I never stop believing that I shouldn't be constantly improving as a man, and will use all available means to do so. However, my experience with psychedelics was like finding new tools to reach something I wasn't able to access previously. And afterwards, I just had more mental and emotional space and energy to get on with the normal stuff of life.

                              [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Well, well, well, quite an interesting post. Thanks for daring to share what can be an unpopular subject for many. I too have decades of experience with about every single "recreational" drug there is. I can say with solid wisdom that my experiences have mirrored yours exactly. Well, I tried DMT once and thought it wanted further exploration, but it's not really around so... Thanks for the reminder about the brain flush. I need one. I'll be looking. The last "trip" for me was a good 10 years ago.

                              [–]Mudmen12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              I take MDMA once every 1-2 months and i would never take 1g of mdma thats way too much ( i usually do 300-500mg). Conversly this is my drug of choice due to the effects you have detailed above. LSD is what took me to the "next level" in terms of personal development it has made me think with more empathy. im surprised /u/Heathcliff-- you didn't find many benefits from DMT it was the most eye opening experience of my life, i never thought that what i saw was possible and i plan on doing again.

                              [–]BlueFreedom420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Psychedelics are great way to reprogram your mind with intense bursts along with a initiation ritual.

                              Going to college does little brain change, as evinced by the mediocrity of most college graduates.

                              [–]52576078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              I'm a little late here, but I really want to thank you /u/heathcliff-- for this posting. I've often thought of the overlap between the effects of psychedelics and the wisdom of the Red Pill.

                              I've made a few comments throughout this thread relating my own positive experience with psychedelics (in particular iboga). I am a 180 degree convert from someone with a very strong anti-drugs stance, to a true believer in the power of psychedelics (I won't go so far as to say all "drugs", as that is far too broad a term).

                              My own experience with iboga was profoundly transformative and healing. I now realise that by denying people safe access to these incredible substances we are doing humanity a great dis-service. Iboga alone is one of the few substances that can actually cure heroin addiction, and our governments want to ban it?! Joe Rogan did a good podcast about it. Here also is a great article describing it (it really sounds too good to be true, I know)

                              https://www.theguardian.com/books/2003/sep/20/booksonhealth.lifeandhealth

                              [–]RealRational 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Very good post, thanks a lot man!

                              It's funny, but your MDMA experience sounds a lot like my mushrooms experience. MDMA for me did make me feel apologetic, and I reached out to an old friend to clear the air and it went, fine.

                              Never did get ahold of any others. But you made DMT sound very interesting. I totally understand why it wasn't the right fit for you and it makes me think it is the ideal fit for me. Now only to find a way to get DMT.

                              [–]gamma_2000 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                              On MDMA, you stacked 10 pills on your first night - you have no idea what you're doing but do it anyway. Weird.

                              What was your comedown like? Mine was usually 3 days of heavy depression.

                              I have doubts to the veracity of your so-called drug recollections.

                              Sex on MDMA? Erectile disfunction.

                              [–]Endorsed ContributorHeathcliff-- 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                              [–]Meba_ 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                              quick question while we're on the topic of drugs, are there any drugs to replace alcohol when going out to the bar. Alcohol doesn't really do it for me, it hinders me more than it helps me. Thanks!

                              [–]Endorsed ContributorHeathcliff-- 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                              [–]Meba_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              thanks for the response, but exactly how safe is LSD?

                              [–]bouba_al 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              You should really try DMT again as it is the greatest drug on the list for your development. Aya is amazing as well.
                              Be cautious with lsd as frequent trips develop autistic tendencies, which are not good at all for game.

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