Field ReportBeing Broke is Not An Excuse: The last 7 girls I've fucked have cost me $0 on dates (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by corsega

For most of my 20s, I avoided "dating". I don't like bars, I don't really drink, I don't particularly like spending effort hanging out 1-on-1 with people outside of the house. I've never had much money and assumed if I had to pay for dinner and drinks, it would break me.

Earlier this year, I wanted to get laid more, so I decided to at least try it out. I downloaded Tinder and Bumble and started approaching girls during my day-to-day. It was always the same routine online: flirt, converse for 1-2 days, get their number and set up a date at a bar or restaurant. At the venue, escalate physically, bounce to a second venue, and try to get them back to my house. On these dates, I would always pay.

Out of 10 dates with 10 different girls, guess how many I fucked? 0. I was throwing down $15-$30 a night to get nowhere.

So I changed up my routine completely. I did something that would make any modern-day feminist get her panties in a bunch: I stopped taking girls out, instead I invited them directly to my place on the first date. My results changed immediately.

I've fucked the last 7 girls I've hung out with the first night while paying virtually nothing. Two of those seven have even offered to cook dinner after I suggested they just invite me over because I don't feel like going out. The rest, I've either cooked dinner for, which I was doing anyway, or seduced with a couple glasses of wine at home.

Valuable lesson learned: if you just want casual sex, don't take girls out. You run the risk being framed as a beta provider and wasting time and energy on nothing.

If a girl finds you attractive enough, she will come right over and she will understand that the expectation outcome of this is sex on the first date.

[–]honorableRP 149 points149 points [recovered]

I've been doing online dating almost exclusively since March. It's been incredibly easy and my experience is almost exactly the same as yours. Every time I have met with a girl at a bar and paid for the drinks it resulted in me not getting laid.

Every. Single. Time.

I started telling girls before we'd meet that I don't pay for drinks on the first date and either we buy rounds or just pay our own way.

The girls that are cool with this ("I'm a feminist") have been the ones that I can bang on the first or second date.

The girls that don't go for it would not be worth my time in the long run. I've noticed their personalities to be consistently drab, almost as if they expect to be treated like princesses simply for being female and bringing nothing else to the table.

I usually try for a drink first to have an easy exit if the girl bothers me in some way, and then invite them over for dinner or more drinks from the bar at my apartment.

tl;dr In my experience, telling them you aren't paying for drinks on the first date leads to easier sex with higher quality girls

[–]ChickenBalotelli 76 points77 points  (4 children)

Solid tactic and thinking right here: The drink out of the house 1st not to "try to get pussy" but to "screen her" and see if she's not just some annoying bag of complaints.

That's a chooser's mentality. OP take note.

[–]corsega[S] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Don't have any problem with that method but I read people pretty well and I can tell how someone will be based on their photos and text conversation. Of the girls I've had over, I wouldn't necessarily hang out with all of them again but none of them sucked so much that they annoyed me.

[–]fadadapple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I'm sure there was a lot of sucking ;)

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (1 child)

it's not any mentality really, it's just smart game.

[–]ChickenBalotelli 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I disagree. It's a mentality to be the chooser, vs. the supplicant.

[–]Luckyluke23 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I usually try for a drink first to have an easy exit if the girl bothers me in some way, and then invite them over for dinner or more drinks from the bar at my apartment.

yeah man, you have to have a way to screen girls, you don't want to bring some crazy back to your place.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I do this consisently, not just with tinder dates

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i would do drink for online game, but in person I'd invite them over if they seem ok.

[–]fruguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get there a bit early and buy a drink. That way they buy their own when they get there. If things go well we'll shout each other the next couple of rounds.

[–][deleted] 105 points106 points  (20 children)

Used to work for me until I met a couple of real psychos. Be careful out there. Once they know where you live...

[–]tb87670 46 points47 points  (14 children)

I had this exact same thought many times, once a bitch knows where I live shit can get dicey. So what do I do? Instead of a direct road to my place I take several of the side-streets and alleys in town on the way to my place. It confuses the living fuck out of them as they are following my vehicle or sitting passenger. They don't remember street names for shit, either.

Once I get to my place after an extra 3-5min of driving around they literally have no idea where they are and several have told me so. I mostly do it for humor and to take her out of her element, when a woman doesn't know where she is while you are in your element you can catch her off guard more easily. Not being able to recall where I live exactly is just a side bonus. EDIT: Having a clean place with a decently stocked bathroom helps too, almost every date I took back to my place it seems like a woman tosses a roll of toilet paper out the window every time she pees.

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[–]tb87670 12 points13 points  (4 children)

I don't do bars, honestly I had good luck with Starbucks as an initial meet place. I use that to screen them. Laying eyes on someone for 15min can tell you a lot about them immediately.

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[–]Ricardo2991 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You're also treating her...like a child!

[–]Chinchilla_the_Hun 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Oh FFS with the toilet paper...my wife's sisters came into town for a girls weekend years ago and nearly depleted our entire stock. I made them bring their own supply every time thereafter.

[–]tb87670 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Right? What the fuck do they do, wipe themselves then burn the rest of the roll as a sacrifice to the estrogen gods? I don't friggin get it. One girl claimed she had a period....really...she could've stopped the bleeding of a whole platoon of gut-shot soldiers with all the paper she just burned through.....

[–]newmeforever 3 points4 points  (2 children)

good thing my apartment is gated as fuck! :D

[–]therhymerr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

a crazy bitch will wait all hours to get in

[–]newmeforever 1 point2 points  (0 children)

then ill call the cops for trespassing!

[–]ELLEN_POO 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's kind of creepy tho. Like I would not want my daughter to go on a date with you bro

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed they will know where you live and you put yourself at risk of accusations against you. Better have CCTV to meet them somewhere else.

[–]dissentforall 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had one chick try to keep my wallet after I left it at her place (2min walk from my apt). After jerking me around for a week I finally threatened to call the cops and she immediately gave it back and then tried to invite me over again...fuckin crazies.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i've slept with 30 different girls this year since jan 1, with most coming straight over, and not once have i had a noticeable problem. they simply have so many options that they really don't need a reason to just show up out of the blue or bug you afterwards - this isn't to say that a number of them didn't want to chill again.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (40 children)


What is this?

[–]corsega[S] 20 points21 points  (39 children)

I'm not good looking. 9/10 body, 5/10 face.

[–]dingman58 28 points29 points  (12 children)

So in women's eyes you're a 9/10

[–]corsega[S] 22 points23 points  (11 children)

False. Women care much more about facial aesthetics than body aesthetics.

If I was a 9 I would match with some 9s on Tinder and I never have.

[–]Ricardo2991 8 points9 points  (9 children)

I've matched 9-10s on Tinder, but they never converse me... In real life, I meet 9-10s and can go all the way... I guess I'm about a 7 with extreme confidence and a good personality.

[–]corsega[S] 25 points26 points  (7 children)

That's because any girl above a 9 uses Tinder for more instagram followers and self-validation and doesn't actually meet with guys on it.

I've done tests with male model profiles and it's still nearly impossible to get a date with a 9.

[–]Limekill 2 points3 points  (4 children)

U should write a post about it.

[–]wiseprogressivethink 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Yeah, that sounds like an interesting experiment...

[–]corsega[S] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

[–]BendAndSnap- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, this has to be the most motivational shit ever for working out. I don't need preworkout after reading that haha

[–]Firespit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Please make a post about your tests.

[–]corsega[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Basically this: http://archive.is/xcVoo

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can confirm. I'm rated about a 6 and suck moose-wang on online dating, otoh, I can game 8-9s that are 30 years younger than me IRL.

[–]qiang_shi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right... keep telling yourself that

[–]TitsAndWhiskey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can confirm, am not good looking but have had many tinder girls come over to my place for a first "date"

[–]1v1crown 28 points29 points  (3 children)

I think its really just about having your own place. I would take girls to bars and buy them drinks then say do you want to see my house and watch a movie. Never once had a girl say no. Chances of fucking were like 7/10. The biggest thing is just having a place to take them where you two can be alone in a non threatening environment.

[–]Ripsaw1990 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Most recent lay off tinder was,"Have my own place, comeover lets fuck" 20 minutes later I was balls deep.

[–]bokehnikon 49 points50 points  (10 children)

It might have been your IDGAF attitude that made the difference, not whether you paid or not.

[–]1mr_nate_ 23 points24 points  (6 children)

You're right, but in a girl's mind, you taking her out automatically equates to you GIVING A FUCK. Of course you can fight the uphill battle of shaking her to the core and letting her body buzz in tingles, but a couple taps on an iPhone screen is easier.

[–]samenrofringslikeLBJ 38 points38 points [recovered]

Best guess here is pre-selection. If she is down to come to a dudes house that she´s never met, shes DTF. I dont believe things are as complicated as they we often believe.

[–]DarkCotton 10 points11 points  (3 children)

It seems to me like you're using "pre-selection" incorrectly.

[–]corsega[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think he means self-selection.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How? First you have a match, which is just a skewed way of saying i'd let him fuck me. Then you chat, and ask for a date at your place. If she says yes, she is really just appending the original statement with "in the near future". Someones home offers privacy, a prerequisite for the bedside stuff, its litteraly the only advantage it offers hence why its a relevant use of selection. If she says nah id rather meet up in a public place, she might be unsure of wether she is actually DTF, of course she could still be but needs negotiation/silence the inner voice saying "dont be a slut".

[–]corsega[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're confusing preselection (PUA/Red Pill terminology) with self-selection (sociology terminology).

[–]trpftw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, very few girls will go for a guy who invites her over to his own place the first date. It's just not gonna happen. Even for sluts it's not gonna happen.

My only guess is that he has a superb body-shot photo, and some girls will make exception to that.

[–]Theophagist 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Ehhh I always avoid paying. Richard Feynman himself told a story where he bought a couple sandwiches with a girl to take back to her hotel room. She said "I also invited dude X from the bar." "You're worse than a whore." He said with a laugh and asked for the money for her sandwich. He went back to the bar to hang out with his friend (the one mentoring him through picking up girls) and was told "just wait." Later that night he banged her. Go Richard.

[–]trpftw 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She was a whore tho, that girl had already invited him over to a hotel room. And then shit-tested with inviting another dude too.

But she was already in the bag before that sandwich move.

This won't work on all girls. But he definitely hit a homerun with that shittest. Just blew it out of the water.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (4 children)

The most success ive had in my life with getting laid was when I lived in a studio apartment with 3 of my buddies, slept on the couch in the living room and had a part time minimum wage job. Most girls under 25 (generally speaking) dont give a fuck how much money you make or if you even have a car.

It's all about the tingles.. but by all means strive to be wealthy regardless because money = freedom.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Money does equal freedom and no matter what kind of family you came from (rich, middle class, poor) is something you should strive for. It's not about the expensive houses, clothes, private jets, etc., it's about being able to do what the fuck you want.

[–]DarkCotton -1 points0 points  (2 children)

But what if doing what you want requires money?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Then you are just spending money on yourself and she pays for herself.

[–]cockatricejr 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Not an universal truth. I started online dating in the past 4 weeks and I've been really successful just following the basic protocol: meeting at a bar (I DO love drinking), being aggressive (sitting up real close, touching a lot) and escalating. Sex will come naturally at the second date, which is fine for me. I also don't have patience for sluts and I admire the self-control. It hasn't gone past the second date so far, and by treating them well they become a plate.

[–]Way_Of_Man 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This sounds very close to Blackdragon's dating methods. As a matter of fact he's got a pretty interesting write up on why he doesn't do ONS at all

I have yet to test it out myself as I barely have the time to date the last year or so.

[–]ChickenBalotelli 6 points7 points  (11 children)

I agree with not taking them out to "dinner", but I'm surprised physical escalation and "getting drinks" didn't work. Regardless, it's good advice to have them over at your place : )

[–]corsega[S] 5 points6 points  (10 children)

Logistics are also tough for me. I live in a residential area with no bars within walking distance. The closest bar is an 8 minute drive away. So a couple times I tried to get them back to my place and failed on logistics, other times I got them back but got tons of LMR. Several girls I continued to see multiple times and didn't get past first base.

[–]ItalianoVero 5 points6 points  (6 children)

See this is why some people had issues with your title. You have your own place (well, a private room at least) and a car. If you were truly broke, you would be working two jobs, taking public transport, or possibly (not necessarily) living with your parents. If you are a student you are even more broke in terms of money AND time. That's when getting girls is really hard if you aren't in the top 5%.

[–]corsega[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I don't have a car, I bike/public transport. And yes, I have a private room. Private rooms cost $400 to rent at the very lowest in many major cities. You don't have to be the top 5% to afford that.

If you want to make getting laid a priority, make the changes in your life to make it a priority. Don't whine about how life's not fair.

[–]ItalianoVero 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Ok I guess I misinterpreted your financial situation. Your tactics still seem pretty bewildering. Are you really good looking? Shredded? Just trying to get a bearing on what is realistic so I know how much I need to improve.

[–]corsega[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Shredded, but not good looking. I would guess that most of my success on Tinder at all is due to my body. Lift :-)

[–]kalo_asmi 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Can you cite the body type? I'm in the same 5-6/10 face looks range and curious as to what size and cut to aim for? Also, do you have any tattoos or piercings?

[–]corsega[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Posted elsewhere in the thread. No tattoos, no piercings. I'm not interested in alternative girls or cultivating that look.

[–]kalo_asmi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mean the Fight Club Brad Pitt look? Thanks.

[–]ChickenBalotelli 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Man, if they're at your house, they're down for the dick. Although I'm not a huge PUA fan these days, some of their techniques might work...specifically cooling down when they say NO for a bit, then obviously attempting again.....Repeat...... Maybe come up with a clever game to play that involves being physical or has the potential?

I think a girl isn't really saying No til she's REALLY saying no.

Or you just kick her out and see if she changes her mind. "welp, I've got an early day tomorrow" and really coolly get her out.

Anybody else have some advice here?

[–]Ricardo2991 0 points1 point  (0 children)

PUA overall can be hit or miss, but the PUA seduction tactics and seduction tactics in general work quite well.

[–]uribezmenov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know where you live, but where I live its common to live 15-20 minutes away from the bars. So the problem isn't the distance. Also, in my experience girls CONSTANTLY lie about how far away from the bars they live. Weirdest thing. But you can too. 8 minutes becomes 5 minutes and nobody will ever comment on it.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (29 children)

What would people suggest for those who DON'T have their own place?

[–][deleted] 204 points205 points  (7 children)

Seems like a good first goal, doesn't it?

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Those should get a single mom with BPD, saggy tits and a big flat paid by ex addict husband.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Gee, if only we knew someone like that...

If only.

Lol, pawning off your sloppy seconds

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"How can an angel break my heart"

[–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trying to get out from under alimony!

[–]Theophagist 6 points7 points  (2 children)

In the East Bay in California It's not a realistic goal for anyone making under 40k.

[–]verify_account 1 points1 points [recovered]

See the advice on moving, it's pretty common.

[–]Theophagist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry, what is it that you mean?

[–]bokehnikon 32 points33 points  (8 children)

The title of the post "Being Broke . . " seems to imply OP has nothing when in fact he has his own place, assuming it's not mom's basement.

[–]corsega[S] 17 points18 points  (5 children)

I don't have my own place, per se. I live with three roommates in an apartment in a not-great area of town.

Sometimes if my roommates are around or if there's people hanging out at our place and I can't be alone with the girl, I ask about her roommate situation and hint at doing things at her place. Just be upfront and say "Hey there's people over at my place, how about we make dinner at yours?"

[–]1mr_nate_ 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Just leave your door wide open and tell her to moan as loud as humanly possible. You'll have an empty house in no time.

[–]getRedPill 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Or people taking pictures and videos with their phones and posting on social media

[–]microwave44 13 points14 points  (1 child)

this is actually the state of affairs in 2016

selfie with your climaxing friend as a prank

[–]J_AsapGem 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This.it caught my curiousity until i saw he had his own place

[–]draketton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The actual point of this post is "don't try to win over girls with free stuff."

[–]Canadaismyhat 5 points6 points  (3 children)

That certainly makes it more challenging depending on how much you've worked on your skillset. A buddy of mine recently got a drink with a girl and fucked her in a tree walking back to the car..

[–]KnopflerisGod 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Bullshit, trees don't walk.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He mistook an ent for a tree.

[–]Ricardo2991 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hotel... In Japan meeting at the hotel is common. In America, we have cheap motels everywhere.

[–]1Original_Dankster 1 point2 points  (1 child)

AirBnB. Rent a private condo in a trendy part of town. Just make sure that the pictures don't make it look to "feminine".

Fucking LOVE AirBnB. Love it.

[–]RandyHatesCats 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Unless you're 100% sure she's DTF, this is a stupid idea.

[–]uribezmenov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of the first "pua's" (before it was even a thing) had this great video on how he had sex with girls in his car/club bathrooms because he didn't have his own place. He also didn't have money to buy drinks if i'm remembering right. Really funny to hear his method (Called himself the comeback kid or something similar). Just to show that not having your own place is a hurdle, but you can definitely overcome.

Sometimes when I sleep with a girl, I want to be able to leave quickly after, not bother my roommates, we're far away from my place, etc. This is how I do it/would do it if I didn't have a place.

Meet somewhere neutral (bar, or coffee place). One drink here. "I heard xyz down the street is cool."

Second nearby bar, one drink. In this time you "find the exits. "What part of town do you live in? Roommates? Pets?" etc. Then, "There's this really cool movie/thing on the internet I have to show you.." If she says whose place you say,

"I'd love to see your place.. my roommate has his parents in town for dinner/roommate is studying/ Internet went out last night", etc.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go out with friends, do something objectively fun, subjectively fun or all three.

I don't care how much confidence you have. It's tough to sit down with someone at a venue and just go. That's just not objectively fun, imho; like I'd never go on a 'bro-date' to an otherwise normal venue. It's amazing though what activities are going on for free. Last month, for example, there was a LEGO, municipal zoo and brew day. Two weeks ago a museum had wine and astrology. That's objectively fun.

It's also got to be subjectively fun. OP doesn't have a spot outside his house he's comfortable in but he went out anyhow, he doesn't like spending 1 on 1 time but does it anyhow with someone new, he doesn't really drink but invited girls to drink and he was stressing about money but still spent money.

Tbh, I think the take away point is less 'invite them to your house' as much as it is 'you are not going to have fun if you are not having fun.' Fun doesn't just magically happen. Do something you like or do something you want to like enough times until you're comfortable with it. Find a place to hang that you can smile in without grimacing.

The girls who showed up to these dates who played out the clock had a big buy in. Those are potential closes. No conversion to actual closes indicates that there is a problem but it isn't the girls it's him. I think he's coming up with some crazy rationalizations like it was the girls fault that he couldn't close and that once dates came to his place they suddenly changed--as if those who came to venues were unwilling to come to his house--which is a bizarre thing to say aloud, much less take seriously.

[–]poochman 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Only problem with that method, when I used to online date, was the very real chance of being catfished. A lot harder to bail when the chick comes to your place instead of meeting at the bar.

Also, I tend to wonder, if a girl is coming over a random dude's house, who she's only met online, to fuck, how often has she done that before? Has she fucked 100 guys that way? Are her standards absurdly low that she's fine rolling the dice like that? One of the many reasons I only exclusively date from real life approaches now.

[–]Verificus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, if you are the type of person that cares about how many guys a girls has fucked when all you are looking for is sex than you don't get how this works. Maybe ONS is not for you or you've told yourself its not to feel safe and comfortable, your mentality changes when you've fucked a small army of girls. I assume any girl I fuck via Tinder has fucked hordes herself. What else would she be doing on Tinder and going to guys' places? If I was looking for something more serious I'd still not mind fucking on the first date. The best girlfriends I've had were promiscuous as fuck. They were also smarter, funnier, more feminine and great in bed.

[–]1mojo_juju 7 points8 points  (23 children)

regarding your method on Tinder

This has only worked for me a couple times. and they were both because I lowered my standards heavily to get laid: banged some plumpkins.

that was back when i first discovered tinder... I also had my own 1 BR apartment. (Currently living with a roommate)

anyways, practically all women I've talked to want to at least meet somewhere else first. makes sense-- kind of weird to go straight to a stranger's place with the intention to hang out (AKA bang out). yeah, most people aren't serial killers-- in fact the vast majority. Still, there could be some out there.

While I'd like to try your method, I don't want to lose a hot babe by trying it.

[–]corsega[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Agreed that the higher difference in SMV between you and the girl, the less likely this is to work. Also, culutural/age differences (Europeans and women over 30 are less likely to want to come right over).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Where are you located— Europe?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (9 children)

I think most are scared of being catfished, so they at least want to meet for coffee..

I've been catfished myself, will never invite one directly over again

[–]corsega[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

If you have concerns about catfishing, get the girl to send a photo of her holding a spoon. Added bonus that getting her to send you a photo like this is a huge compliance test, she's going to feel more invested.

[–]1mojo_juju 2 points3 points  (7 children)

What happened in the catfishing scenario? we need the deets

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Ehh, I still fuvked her, but she was a little rougher then I expected

[–]draftmasterx 1 point2 points  (4 children)

How was that catfishing? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the term.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Her picture wasn't accurate..

[–]corsega[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

That's not catfishing. It's just deception. Catfishing is pretending to be a completely different person, like 300lb Jamal pretending he's 18/f/ca.

[–]killm3throwaway 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Well last time I got catfished we hung out anyway, he gave better head than my gf.

[–]microwave44 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I don't want to lose a hot babe by trying it

this is your biggest problemo amigo

[–]qiang_shi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Probably quote that, or it subs like your promoting bp

[–]microwave44 1 point2 points  (0 children)

well that was almost english

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

How do you get them to accept to come at your place ? how much do you invest in tinder conversation ?

[–]corsega[S] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

How do you get them to accept to come at your place ?

Make it sound fun and exciting. Personally, I love cooking, so I get them talking about food and then imply that I think we should cook dinner together at mine. Sometimes I even send photos of past meals I've cooked.

And wine. I don't really drink, but girls LOVE wine.

how much do you invest in tinder conversation ?

10-15 lines before I get the number, texting is used for light flirting but mostly logistics, I set up the meet right away. If you want to invite girls right over you generally have to invest more than if you were meeting them in public. I haven't done this yet but I might start calling the more attractive ones to build rapport.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Never done the calling but i think is a good idea... it looks to me you absolutely need to give her a "not creepy" vibe in order to be able to invite them first date at your place.

Also, could you give informations on your tinder pics? Also are you living in a city ?

[–]corsega[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Also, could you give informations on your tinder pics? Also are you living in a city ?

Main shot is me in a nice dress shirt, taken with a DSLR. Not looking at the camera, not smiling. Girls have remarked it makes me look like a movie star.

Second shot is me doing one of my hobbies (outdoors).

Third shot is a super douchey shirtless photo showing off my abs. It is pretty clear that I took this myself but it's not a selfie. Again, not smiling but looking at the camera. Funny story about this, the girl I hooked up with last night told me she showed me profile to her three female coworkers and they were scrolling through the photos and all gasped when they got to this one.

Fourth photo is me with a couple friends, smiling (social proof).

Yeah, I live in a city.

[–]Bitcoin-FTW 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good post, and yes, dating can be cheap if done right. I'd even go so far as to argue that doing a cheap date is a much better way to start a relationship with a womanZ

However, let's not pretend there isn't a correlation between wealth and happiness/confidence. Getting in shape costs money even.

Put in another way: if your finances aren't on lock, or at least on the way to being on lock, you shouldn't really be wasting time dating ImO.

[–]getRedPill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Somehow you need the "Date" part, i.e. go out together only you 2. This serves as a previous layer to know her better, see red flags and screen out possible crazy specimens.

Home is a very private place, you don't want anyone in or know where you live

[–]unptitdej 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm happy it works out for you but why are you paying for drinks? I enjoy dates because I get to go out and discover a new woman. I only pay my part. If it works out we can go to my place or her place. If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out. Also, a date is also for you to screen her out. I think you project a much better SMV by not having her at your apartment right away because she has to work for it too. Just my thought, but if you fuck a ton with your way of doing things and you feel that photos and tinder conversations are plenty to screen someone then you're ahead of all of us and I'm happy for you bro!

[–]__ROOSTER__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

agreed 100%

I went from couple drink "dates", to meeting for a coffee to confirm we were into each other, to being able to figure it all out online and just have them come over.

getting a new chick a week to just come over became pretty easy

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You didn't get any STD's from doing this?

[–]corsega[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Not that I know of, but I'm setting up tests right now. I've only fucked one of these girls raw and it was a girl I trusted that I saw more than once that swore up and down she was clean.

Read this if you are scared of STDs:


[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have better success on dates in which we got dutch and pay only what we drank or ate, than when I picked up the tab. I just seem to next women who don't even offer to split the check on the first date.

[–]KartagoPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This guy gets this. Give that man a cookie.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Good points, but keywords are: "If a girl finds you attractive enough."

[–]corsega[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That should be the key word for every post on this subreddit. Looks are 80%. Here, we discuss the 20% wiggle room.

[–]top-notch-alpha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I suggest you get some cameras inside your house.

[–]ReddittFeist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[–]thawayred 2 points3 points  (8 children)

my house

andoid phone

please, stop lying to yourself and on the internet. your "being broke" is different to other's "being broke".

Still, I upvoted the post because the medium is the message. You clearly stated your intentions and either she accepts or denies. no mind games.

[–]corsega[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

please, stop lying to yourself and on the internet. your "being broke" is different to other's "being broke".

I rent a room in the cheapest house around in one of the most expensive cities in the country. Android phones cost $300.

If you're homeless and phoneless, not much I can do for you.

[–]bonekeeper 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Can one even jerk off with an old Nokia at their mom's basement? Reception must be terrible.

[–]thawayred 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What country? If you don't mind?

The average pay here is 3€/hr and rending an apartment cost so much. Most of people here live rat race, and the TRP's broke is much different from what I've seen around IRL

[–]corsega[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

USA. I do realize that other countries exist but the majority of this subreddit's readership is from North America so that's what this advice is targeted towards.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

3E/h? What are you Romanian? Average wages are HIGHER in Europe proper than in the US.

[–]subtle_nirvana92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, he didn't say homeless.

[–]51pctAttack 2 points2 points [recovered]

So, being broke is not an excuse, but somehow you have your own house. The posts here are getting dumber by the day.

[–]spacecase89 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I like this method and try to implement it, but I usually get stood up after making plans at my place. Do you think it is just a case of not lifting enough?

[–]corsega[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You will have a higher flake rate with this method. There's no way around it. There have been girls in which I either subtly or clearly stated my intention was for them to come over, and they agreed, but when we actually made plans, they said they don't come right over to people's houses.

Just next them, there are plenty of other girls.

[–]Ricardo2991 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Getting flaked on is one of the best things that can happen to you... It teaches you to not care so much and is great practice for maintain frame.

[–]spacecase89 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah, that's true, I have been improving my frame through this.

[–]Ricardo2991 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can also read The Speed of Trust, if you think it's a trust issue.

Anyways, women are not men. They don't value commitment like we do.

[–]Steve_Wiener 0 points1 point  (1 child)

These were all from tinder?

[–]corsega[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Half from Tinder half from Bumble. Bumble leans older and towards more serious stuff but you will still find girls that are down. Plus, they message you first so you at least know they're interested.

[–]KaptainCavy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I go out on 'dates' with chicks I just don't pay. If the host/hostess doesn't separate the check I asked them to do so. But the key is to always bring chicks back to the house, so your method is great too. I like going out to bars/clubs. Everyone has to work with what they like, nothing more. If you have the money, sure spend it on the chicks. Let's get real though, if your not pounding drinks in her or tossing Gs on bottle service, your money is worthless. Any chump can buy her dinner. I think I'm just here to validate your post OP.

[–]Hungryforfood2000 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Note to self: but a house to invite chicks over.

[–]note-to-self-bot 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Just in case you forgot:

but a house to invite chicks over.

[–]Hungryforfood2000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

:( but I'm poor. Was what i was going to say. But in reality i co-bought a house with my brother 4 months ago, to rent for people. So i don't live there.

[–]beastboi27 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Last date was a long time ago..social dating apps don't help and hardly ever venture out to bars..too much anxiety to cold approah without alcohol. My excuses is i can't drive, i have to share a small room with my brother and i don't have a job right now. I tried getting a couple girls over but they always flaked out..even though they are the ones coming onto me..doesn't make any sense. I've tried getting advice like take art classes, go hiking..etc to meet girls but they are mostly old people on meetup. I don't know what else to do and i really don't want to waste another year like this.

[–]corsega[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You are not in a place to be with women right now. Monk mode, bro. Work on yourself. Get a job. Move out and get your own room.

[–]beastboi27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol yeahh. That isn't possible for me to do right now. Wish it was that easy. I have gone through a few huge setbacks that are keeping me from really moving forward with my life and that's going to take...awhile. thing is, I'm not going to wait until I'm in my 30s to try and get a gf. I rather not try at all.

[–]notadaddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes! But..here's my hard learned lesson: keep hard alcohol and mixers at hand, beer stocked, and food in the fridge. Nothing fancy or crazy. A good sound system and music selection helps too.

[–]troll16 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I live in SoFlo near Fort lauderdale and all it's beaches. Easiest, cheap date you can do.

"let's hit the beach, meet me at (halfway point between both our houses) at 7. We can catch the sunset too."

Then I just drive to a quiet beach that has a fishing pier that you can walk out on for 2$ each person, pay for parking another $4 and that's it. Bam, admire the beach because it is a beautiful spot and I could enjoy it for hours alone even, talk, makeout, go back to whoevers place. Repeat

[–]loknarash 1 points1 points [recovered]

West Coast Best Coast here. I would argue our beaches really get a dime piece cunt ready for a dirty bratwurstin' than any East Coast beach can, come at me bro.

[–]troll16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuarrkkk I'll contribute my Spanish Kielbasa to this bratwurtsing

[–]RealRational 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you can afford to live on your own, you are, by definition, not "broke".

[–]CRITICAL9 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Any luck with Bumble? Never used it but I read about how it makes the woman send the first message. How does that work out for you, I could imagine it leading to low smv guys being shit out of luck?

[–]corsega[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Correct, if you are low SMV you first of all won't get matches because their algorithm sorts more or less by percentage of right swipes, and second of all won't get messages if you do get matches.

[–]CRITICAL9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, also I heard lots of girls don't realise that that they have to send the first message and as matches disappear after a day nothing happens. Sounds like a waste to time but I'm still going to try it because I want to see how lame the first messages are from women.

[–]stawek 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Selection bias.

The girls who agreed to come over were dtf already. The ones you took out for dates weren't sure yet.

How many girls refused to come to your place as compared to going out?

[–]corsega[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, this is definitely selection bias. I'm not doing anything different on these "dates" that I wouldn't have at a bar.

The point of this thread is that using selection bias in your favor is very red pill.

[–]Zafer66 1 points1 points [recovered]

And now tell me how to even get Them to your place ... Or even to agree on a date...

[–]corsega[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Schau dir mal die misc Tinder-Faden an: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=158339883

[–]iliketreeslikereally 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know, I wouldn't go to a girl's place after a brief conversation on Tinder myself.

She might look completely different from her pictures, she might be insane or dumb, it's too fishy and too much too soon.

[–]1ShallITinder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How many girls are open to coming directly to your place though? I find that some girls are hesitant about it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you look like if you have this much success?

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Location location location

[–]dissentforall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can second this. Around the time that tinder first came out. I was banging 3 to 4 girls a month on my free time and it never cost me more than a portion of a meal I was already cooking. Hell I didn't even have a car then. Sometimes they even borrowed cars to come over or cabbed it. It's actually even easier if you get them involved in the meal prep and make them feel useful from a point of authority. Most of them became plates of larger rotation and I never spent I dime on any of them. Fuckin 3 different cute girls a week with no investment on my free time is a pretty sweet gig.

It was even funnier to listen to the beta types at the gym lament how tinder and online dating is a waste of time and how they spent so much money on dates. Eventually they caught on that all the msgs I was getting were different women and figured I had some kind of magical method.

[–]Finnezty 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's what I don't get about people that use Tinder to start dating, I've thought of it as a "fuck app", not "let's get to know each other slowly" app, my first match asked me to either sexy time or not, too bad she was 200 miles away in another country.

[–]corsega[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People flock to what's popular, unfortunately. Back in 2013 it was fuck city (apparently. I just joined a few months ago).

[–]deci-mator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very true. With genuine desire she will not give a fuck whether or not you take her on dates or all that shit. Because really all it is, is a few drinks and a whole lot of chatting, that's some shit you can do anywhere but betas take it the extra mile trying to make it the most memorable few hours of her life.

[–]WIS_pilot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd say I'm above average attractiveness, I'm an airline pilot, and I make ~$25,000 a year. I get laid more often than guys that make triple my salary. Younger women just don't really care about how much money you make.

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