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Men's RightsTwoX feminists' reaction to a man slapping a woman: "Burn that horrible misogynist!" TwoX's reaction to a woman slapping a man: "Everyone makes mistakes" (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

Summary: When a man hits a woman, society will dogpile on him and tar-and-feather him mercilessly. But when a woman hits a man, fellow women and white knights will coddle her and try to downplay the situation. Remember, as a man nobody is on your side. Dump any bitch you dares to raise her hand against you.

Feminized society hates men and bends over backwards to forgive women for committing the same crimes. Here's a great example for all you doubters: TwoXChromosome's reaction to domestic abuse by a woman. Yesterday an OP posted saying -

We recently moved in together. Over the past couple of weeks, we have been fighting quite often over little things. Then yesterday, I lost myself and smashed a plate on the the floor. I immediately cleaned it up and kept quiet. I felt really bad about myself, so the next day I went to apologize to her. I said I'm really sorry about my behavior yesterday, but then she started slapping me really hard, and my nose started to bleed. I kept calm and quiet and left the room. I never physically hit her. She still hasn't said anything since. I'm wondering what to do...

Can you smell the moist mangina scent coming off him? Poor guy has been so brainwashed that he's essentially a foot-servant to this woman. He has zero dignity left, zero self-respect. Because he's trained to put women on a pedestal.

Even more telling are the responses. To be fair, many of them were reasonable and said things like "leave her". But there were a good number of people hamstering desperately to absolve the woman of any responsibility.

Yeah I have been slapped by someone before and we were not even dating. I don't know that I deserve it but she is still my friend. I'm not condoning violence but people on Reddit like to overreact and give advice in a situation that they've never been in. Nobody wants to mention the fact that OP slammed the plate on the ground. If someone bigger and more powerful than you assuming OP is male but even still slams a plate on the ground and breaks it that could be really terrifying and her response seems like a response out of fear.

This guy should be a lawyer. He managed to turn the story into a tale of male aggression and how the woman was justified in slapping OP repeatedly like a wild banshee... because she was... scared that OP broke a plate?

Yes, a swing or verbal assault constitutes abuse, but an isolated event - absolutely depending on circumstance and severity - does not automatically make the relationship abusive. If this were the first and only time it ever happened then I would just say it's something they can choose to move, grow, and learn from as long as they were able to both move forward in their lives with dignity and self-respect.

Note the subtle equivocation going on here. "They can choose to move, grow and learn", "they are able to both move forward". Gotta place at least some blame on the man, right? It would be just so unthinkable to admit the woman is completely in the wrong here.

Hmmmm. So my girlfriend slapped me once. We were in the back seat of a car, she asked a "Would you rather" question to everyone, and I thought it was a no-brainer. Driver also thought so. Passenger seat said something funny (but not insulting to my then-gf), so I laughed. Then my gf slapped me. Hard. It didn't hurt me physically, but it hurt me emotionally very badly. She felt stupid, and thought I was laughing at her stupidity. We cleared it up later that night after a very awkward car ride. I'm still with her. I'm not trying to endorse abusive relationships or anything, but everyone makes mistakes. And that one wasn't enough to make me dump her.

Dude... you got emasculated in public by your girlfriend and you're just calling it a mistake? Mistakes are when you get a question wrong on a test or take the wrong turn to work. A girlfriend slapping you in front of friends is a sign of extreme disrespect and immaturity.

Now here's my RedPill analysis, and maybe some of you will get butthurt over it but you need to hear it... women are emotional children, and if they hit you then you should treat it as if your child had hit you. If your kid hits you physically, then that means YOU have extremely poor frame and have allowed this situation to happen and YOU need to discipline that child so that this never happens again.

Theoretically, a disobedient woman who hits her man needs to be taught about proper respect and power through... shall we say, "discipline" similar to how you would a child.

But the courts are against men, society is against men. So "disciplining" will land you in jail, not worth it. Which leads me to my conclusion... if a bitch dares to hit you, dump her ass on the nearest corner and find another plate.

TL;DR: If a woman physically hits you then that means you have lost frame and respect in her eyes. In olden days you could remedy this by properly teaching her to show deference, but in the modern day it is best to simply cut her loose and find a more obedient, more respectful woman.


[–][deleted] 206 points207 points  (39 children)

Straw man. Top post, from your own link:

Please understand that is abuse, and not remotely okay. It's time to exit this relationship in whatever manner will keep you safest and never look back. You don't deserve that! This is supposed to be the person who makes you feel the safest and the most loved.

There are enough problems with 2X. You don't need to be dishonest to effectively smear that sub.

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (3 children)

yeah i've noticed a lot of x-posts from relationships and 2 x often have top comments that reflect sentiments that would be shared here and most places...pick your battles people seriously

[–]5kevin 4 points5 points  (2 children)

To be completely honest, blue pill reddit does the same about us, they quote and link the downvoted posts and even the comments that get trashed by most of our reddit and they generalize our subreddit to the dimwits who have no understanding about redpill. People will always look for the worst and then generalize to make themselves feel good.

[–]JorensM 6 points7 points  (1 child)

But is it really necessary to do the same to others?

[–]5kevin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No it's not. I didn't encourage it I just find it funny how people generalize to make themselves feel correct and validated.

[–]melxer 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I wanted to say the same thing but then I deleted my comment here's why :

The two quotes he made are highly upvoted posts +12, +41 Then answer to the +41 :

Slapping someone once in a moment of anger is a bit different than responding to an apology by making someone bleed. +29

Would you expect those upvotes if the roles were reversed ?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The top post that says its abuse has 2203 upvotes... I think we can safely say that the general consensus is that what that women did is frowned upon even in 2X.

There are posts here that are beyond questionable that end up getting a couple of upvotes as well, but it doesn't reflect the general consensus here.

[–]TRP117 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I was about to say something about this. 2X has tons of issues, and they do react more harshly to a guy hitting a girl than the other way around, but when it's this cut and dry they understand that it was the girls fault.

At least the normal ones.

[–]Fuknmods 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Straw man. Top post, is positive.

What OP pulled is cherrypicking. Stop posting. Forever. You clearly dont know what you're talking about.

There are enough problems with 2X. You don't need to be dishonest to effectively smear that sub.

Except he pointed out that these were the bad ones and that there were positive answers. You're misrepresenting the point being made as well.

[–]Theotropho 3 points4 points  (0 children)

highlighting the most negative examples to create a false narrative is inherently deceptive. OP is just running a "women don't care" hamsterwheel in his head.

[–]rattamahatta 2 points3 points  (13 children)

Straw man. Top post, from your own link:

You don't know what a straw man argument is, do you?

[–]ePants 3 points4 points  (12 children)

Straw man. Top post, from your own link:

You don't know what a straw man argument is, do you?

A straw man argument is when someone argues against a hypothetical rather than against something specific that actually happened - and that's exactly what OP did.

Here's OP's opening:

When a man hits a woman, society will dogpile on him and tar-and-feather him mercilessly. But when a woman hits a man, fellow women and white knights will coddle her and try to downplay the situation.

He clearly explained the double standard he's arguing against, but then his linked example is actually not an example of that at all, because all the highest voted top level comments contradicted his explanation.

[–]rattamahatta -2 points-1 points  (11 children)

Those comments are real. Nobody said they were the top voted ones. You're the one attacking a strawman.

[–]Theotropho 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Enough strawmen to go around. OP suggested their cherry picked and largely unpopular examples were indicative of the mentality in 2x and they are outliers. I tend to dislike 2x because of how it fed into my wife's insanity during our divorce but this post is not a good example and OP is telling stories to generate a false Man v Woman narrative.

[–]rattamahatta 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Cherry picking is not strawmanning. Those comments exist, and are written and upvoted by real people.

[–]Theotropho 0 points1 point  (3 children)

They are not the SAME. Creating a false narrative by cherry picking IS strawmanning.

[–]rattamahatta -1 points0 points  (2 children)

More like "hasty generalization", if OP had made the claim that all members of the sub supported a claim, which I'm not even sure he did.

[–]Theotropho 0 points1 point  (1 child)

OP drew fringe comments out of the pack and then said it was twoX's response.

[–]ePants -1 points0 points  (4 children)

You've got a very, very loose definition of "attacking" if you think pointing out when someone is wrong is an attack.

[–]rattamahatta -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Don't be triggered by the use of the word "attack", it's just a figure of speech like in: "Argumentum ad hominem is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person..." (Wikipedia).

[–]ePants -1 points0 points  (2 children)

You do realize, don't you, that that's exactly what you're doing to me, right?

you're the one

And

Don't be triggered

You're clearly trying to either insult me into getting offended and going off topic, or you're trying to dismiss my point by being dismissive of me, personally, by implying that I've been unreasonably "triggered".

So far, you haven't actually even made a point; you're just trying to pull me into a semantic argument. No thanks.

[–]rattamahatta -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

You started the semantic argument. I used the word "attack" and you felt the need to correct me (falsely). Don't try to turn things around now, young lady.

[–]ePants -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You started the semantic argument. I used the word "attack" and you felt the need to correct me (falsely). Don't try to turn things around now, young lady.

I can't tell if you're trolling or not. Either way, there's apparently no way to get through to you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

To be fair to op, people still said the things he cited.

[–]thekingmaker88 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It's the same thing that other sites do when they talk about TRP and cherry pick the ridiculous women are inferior scum and racist posts to paint TRP as a subreddit for women hating, bigoted basement dwellers.

[–]Theotropho 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems like a good reason to keep TRP above false narratives like the one in OP, yes?

[–]lildil37 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I would like to see the karma count on the comments he was quoting.

[–]circlhat -1 points0 points  (0 children)

OP point is correct there is a double standard, it is both overt and convert , but the advice is very different based on the gender dynamic, pretending everything is ok is blue pill

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children)

Learn what a "straw man" argument is. It's not simply being wrong, or misrepresenting the data.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Mischaracterizing your opponent's position in order to appear that you have defeated them is absolutely a straw man. The consensus on 2X is obviously that this is a case of abuse, not that "everyone makes mistakes"

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

Interestingly enough, your response to my post is a straw man argument. You accused OP of making a straw man argument because he cherry-picked his data. He ignored the posts that ran counter to his thesis, while only presenting the posts that supported his thesis. Thus, he misrepresented his date, but that's not a straw man argument. Your argument, however, builds a staw man to attack. I don't care whether the TwoX consensus is that "abuse is wrong" or that "everyone makes mistakes." That's not the argument I was responding to, or the point that i was trying to make.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

OP said that the 2X consensus is that abusing a man is OK, which is false because the top post clearly shows the 2X consensus is that it's not OK. OP then went on to refute the point that abusing men is OK. That is a textbook straw man whether you like it or not; whether he is cherry picking is irrelevant. Please just admit you were wrong or fuck off and stop trolling me.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

Does this really mean that much to you?

Please just admit you were wrong or fuck off and stop trolling me.

Hold frame. I know it's hard, but you're such a big, muscular man, I know you can to it!

[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Don't start a pissing contest.

[–]Theotropho -1 points0 points  (0 children)

cherry picking is a common method for creating strawmen.

[–]TitsAndWhiskey -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Wait, so the politically correct answer is at the top for public display, and beneath the surface lies the ugly truth? On a women's forum? I... I don't understand. How can this be?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What ugly truth? Some shitposts that only have a handful of upvotes?

[–]Theotropho 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Using the same proofs would make TRP a den of sociopaths and rapists.

How about we not create false narratives that pin us as victims in the larger dynamic?

[–][deleted] 83 points84 points  (23 children)

So you know the rule: Socially acceptable to hit you, not socially acceptable to hit her.

Act accordingly.

Again with a water is wet lesson. If she's violent, she's crazy. Move on.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

If she's violent, she's crazy. Move on.

Cannot stress this one enough. Respect yourself enough to walk away from physical abuse and never look back.

[–]snorted_the_red_pill 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Feminism - it's not hypocrisy when women do it!

[–]yomo86 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fun fact if a towel head beats the living shit out of his wife: culturally appropriate or excusable because reasons.

If a pimp slaps his bitches around: socially appropriate or excusable because reasons.

If a woman hits a man: he deserved it in some way.

If a married man with a steady job losses his temper because he got cheated on: muhsogginee!!!!11

Do not be a pussy.

If she hits you like a man she is accountable for the end of the relarionship like a man. Dont get married.

[–]Zombocom1911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whoopie Goldberg on hitting women, very insightful, must watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhCZ3xfS9Qw

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 67 points68 points  (3 children)

Plates are for lovin, not smashing into the floor, cmon man!

[–]juliusstreicher 30 points31 points  (1 child)

When he said he smashed a plate on the floor, I thought that he fucked a woman who was in a noncommited relationship with him, and was so carried away that he did it without the aid of furniture.
Didn't even want to imagine what he cleaned off the floor.

[–]snorted_the_red_pill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I thought they were at a Greek wedding.

[–]mattizie 42 points43 points  (19 children)

I'm married and can't leave. But when this happens I just hold both her hands against the wall above her head with one hand. Body twisted to the side so she can't go for the balls. After a few seconds she calms down and it's either hot sex, or she goes to sulk in her room.

Even without lifting, you should easily be able to subjugate her with superior strength.

Knives are a different story.

Never get married.

[–]akolyteofthecentury 13 points14 points  (5 children)

If thats the case, contact a lawyer and keep it a secret (!), get as much evidence as you need (maybe a bruise in the face, idk) and get out of there. Its hard, but if you play your cards right and get lucky with a judge, her playing the im just a little girl and hes a man so he scared me and i hit him and its fine card will go south real quick and real bad.

Godspeed.

[–]redkick 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Better to secretly record the interaction on video.

[–]akolyteofthecentury 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Depends on where you live and the specific law. Afaik, if its done illegally they can flat out refuse to watch the recording and fine you for recording someone without their consent. Better to get in touch with a lawyer first and plan everything to a T

[–]enfier 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Realistically audio is a lot easier to hide, record and leave going 24 hours a day. The same goes for keeping a journal of each and every incident. The journal itself may not be much for evidence, but being able to accurately recount each incident in detail does a lot for your credibility.

[–]mattizie 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thanks for the advice, but based on my circumstances (young, wife earns much more and doesn't have a PR for my country yet) I'm really not that worried.

Great advice for other people though.

[–]Theotropho 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If she hits you she'll hit your kids. Don't spawn with her, whatever you do.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Playing with fire, bro. What happens if she calls the cops and shows them bruises on her wrists and says you did it?

Who walks away from that one?

[–]mattizie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My situation is very different to most people here. Note that all this happened BEFORE I found TRP.

Met her while on uni exchange to China, I'm from Australia, kept in touch for 3 years, married after that because ultimatum, "marriage or I'm gone". Came to Australia on spouse visa, had our son in Australia.

She's a few years older than I am, and has her own business that out-earns anything I could hope to make as an engineer. Our finances are separate.

I guess the reason she sticks with me is because I was handsome(aka white), gave her tingles, and she thinks I'll be a good father to our son.

Ofcourse, ALALT, and this one is no exception when it comes to crazy and emotions.

I don't see any reason for her to go to the cops because she knows that if she does that, I leave. And if she herself wanted to leave, she could just take our son and fuck off to China. I don't know her address by name, I don't know where her parent's place is. I can't read Chinese. I'd never see either of them again if she wanted.

Again, this is before TRP. Knowing what I know now, I would never have gone down this path.

[–]j33tAy 2 points3 points  (8 children)

This is horrible advice. Do not put your hands on her. If the police get involved it could very easily go against you. She could have bruises or marks from your hands from restraining her and you're fucked.

An ex tried to hit me. I naturally put up my arms to protect my face. She got a bruise on her wrist and forearms from the block. She took my phone and called the police.

I explained what happen to the officer and he didn't arrest me but he took me to a nearby hotel and told me not to talk to her for a few days while we cooled off.

I'm very lucky that officer wasn't bent on fucking me over because it could have very easily gone into an assault charge.

[–]mattizie 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I agree.

The best thing to do is just walk away, go radio silent, next. Unfortunately that isn't such an easy option when you're married.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

[–]j33tAy 0 points1 point  (4 children)

No problem brother. I don't want any of you going to jail. I haven't been married but I've been in a cohabitation LTR hundreds of miles from both of our families, so very close. I understand it's not an easy option to leave.

However, walking away doesn't have to be permanent. You can walk out and go to the gym. You can go to a friend's place. You can go to a cafe and grab a coffee. You can simply take a walk around the block. Don't allow yourself to be emotional in front of others.

[–]mugatucrazypills 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If she's not physically violent, I'd recommend waiting her out till she leaves. Then, if you have your legal ducks ready to go you can file an emergency restraining order while she is out for coffee and change the locks. Double likely to flip out and violate on service, which puts her in the legal shithouse, even if the original order is voided. Possession is 9/10ths and all.

Message board advice, take for what it's worth.

If she's violent remove yourself from the situation is always first choice. The massive bulk that you've obtained from following GLO, is for life and death stuff, not escalating a cat fight.

[–]mattizie 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Thanks mate, going to a drive either to the gym or just for a drive are my go to options for dealing with this.

Thing is when it happens I'm usually in bed about to sleep because it's late, I have work the next day, and she knows it. I either have to agree to everything and get it over with quickly or stay quiet and have her tear off blankets and throw water until you either give in or call in sick to work the next morning. Women will kick you when you're down and at your most vulnerable.

Again, never get married. The only reason we're still together is my son, I know that if I leave she'll raise him to be the most BP bitch you could think of, there's already early signs. That and the hope that I can make it work after being alpha enough.

[–]666Evo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dude, I'd talk to a lawyer and get out.
Did you sign a prenup? If not, you could end up with a bit of cash and the court may even give you full custody if you can convince them the kid is better off here than in China.

Think of how your kid is viewing the relationship.
"Mum fucks with dad. Dad tries to deflect but ultimately accepts it. Maybe I should just accept it if a chick fucks with me."

[–]mattizie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Re-read my situation.

I don't have the cash for a lawyer, there was no prenup. She doesn't even have a permanent visa to this country.

I work full time, just out of uni, I don't have anyone to look after him, let alone paying them to do it.

At the moment he is still a baby (less than 1 year old), he's sleeping and in the other other room, so can't see.

It's been a fair while since the last one, and it wasn't nearly as bad as the earlier episodes.

If I had gotten married when I was supposed to (35+), then maybe I'd have some cash saved up, job security etc, to go down this path. But for now, it's not worth it. If I wanted to leave, I could do so very easy, all I'd have to do would be to cancel her VISA (I am the one that does all the paperwork) and she (and my son) wouldn't be allowed back in to the country.

I've been the drunk captain for at least 2 years of our relationship, addicted to porn, dota, with no social life just coasting through life. I can't expect an about-turn from her straight away. I've been lifting, reading, quitting my bad habits of video games and porn, cooking for myself etc. and I'm noticing a slow but steady change in her behaviour.

I don't think the fights are going to repeat themselves again.

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[–]j33tAy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, don't get hit because you can still move faster. Remove yourself from the situation. Be in a public place.

[–]allnamesfckintaken 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Then my gf slapped me. Hard. It didn't hurt me physically, but it hurt me emotionally very badly. She felt stupid, and thought I was laughing at her stupidity. We cleared it up later that night after a very awkward car ride. I'm still with her. I'm not trying to endorse abusive relationships or anything, but everyone makes mistakes. And that one wasn't enough to make me dump her.

if your girlfriend dared to slap you on the face for simplying laughing at her, she has absolutely no respect for you. there is no such thing as a reflexive action without thing behind it. if you were in public and a huge guy made fun of you, would you reflexively slap him? fuck no.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Then my gf slapped me. Hard. It didn't hurt me physically, but it hurt me emotionally very badly. She felt stupid, and thought I was laughing at her stupidity. We cleared it up later that night after a very awkward car ride. I'm still with her. I'm not trying to endorse abusive relationships or anything, but everyone makes mistakes. And that one wasn't enough to make me dump her.

I've never been slapped in public by a girl. What the fuck would the proper response even be in this situation?

[–]FromageWarlock 1 points1 points [recovered]

Get out. That is not normal

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I mean that moment, in the car.

[–]HiGuysiamkewl 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I would like to think that I could keep it together in a situation like this, but idk, might just choke a bitch.

[–]edgar_1212 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Never EVER tolerate violence from a woman is relevant to a guy hitting a child or a mentally disabled person.

[–]classic0090 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I read that post and thought this whole thing was a joke it was funny as hell. I glanced over the sub "rules" that whole sub is dedicated to crybabies and victims why were you on that sub?

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

To understand the hamster, you must become the hamster. Or at least study it in it's natural habitat.

[–]thekingmaker88 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Why would you want to understand the hamster?

[–]RedEyesBlueShades 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's always good to understand the enemy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A huge part of why bluepill men are so stuck in their ways is due to a fundamental lack of understanding of how women work. This is why I defend all posts about bad/ hypocritical female behavior here, even if they seem like beta male revenge fantasies. These posts reinforce the idea that women are every bit as shitty as men if not worse (in terms of manipulation and hamstering).

[–]savagecat 4 points5 points  (1 child)

When something starts off with "...feminists", you know there's a double standard involved.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Of course. If feminists didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all (forget who said that one).

[–]Prot69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If she's aggressive it's a no brain nexting. Still though I don't see myself hitting woman in any way. Males in my family have been taught that for hundreds of years, I'm going to trust them over redpill advice on this matter.

Woman aggression never happened to me, but from your stories about crazy bitches in US, it's an alpha test. You can be aggressive with posture, voice, gesticulation and mimics. Just overwhelm her.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 3 points4 points  (1 child)

"discipline" similar to how you would a child.

You reach the same conclusion as Artisional Todd on Dalrock. He supports wife spankings on strictly Biblical grounds. I happen to largely agree.

This was very common all the way to the 1950's in America. A hysterical woman was thrown over your knee for a well deserved spanking. There were commercials on it all the way to the 1950's with well dressed men throwing a very feminine woman in a long dress over his knee because she had not bought him the right kind of coffee.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"You noticed Sophie brings our boss the wrong coffee every single morning?"

[–]mcotter12 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Incredible job cherry picking the comments. You must have searched past hundreds that said he should leave his girlfriend, and that her hitting him isn't ok before you found ones to support your worldview!

[–]JohnnySkidmarx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bitch hits me and I'm outta there. Never to see me again.

[–]they-callmecubanpete 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you described is the social norm.

Personally, I utterly refuse to accept this social norm. I my opinion women should be given the exact same chances to have the same capacities and responsibilities as men, and should be treated with exactly the same rights (Note: I don't mean equally, I mean regardless of gender: e.g. in a physical situation or sports a woman should be treated like a man of similar strength or vice versa)

If a woman would hit me I would treat her exactly the same as I would a man. I would try to destroy her if there was a chance she was an actual threat to me.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women will always be solipsistic in their nature. What every female commenter is thinking is "if I were that girl I'd still want to extract more commitment from the guy- dismiss"

White knights and SJW's are equally selfish and pick the womans side because their thinking "if I were that guy I'd still want to love/fuck this girl, better downplay so I keep my pussy subscription"

Remember that most men are starved. They live in a reality where pussy is an ever rarer commodity. They have no idea how easy it can be. That's why current day men are prone to value relationships so much. They think it's their only chance at busting a nut.

I've seen guys waste countless hours on convoluted manipulation tactics in order to get their ex back. Instead of finding a new and hotter girl they opted to get the surest thing they've had. Men are weak.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Its funny because old school hardasses used to do this to keep them in line and it fucking WORKED. Now its considered anathema HOWEVER there are still womens shelters, another joke in itself, around and guess what? Those women still run back to their abusers. CLEARLY there must be a pattern

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Women's shelters isn't a joke. There are destructive relationships out there

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Double standards and hypocrisy aside…

Men are stronger than women. That is a fact.

A man hitting a woman is relevant to a man hitting a child or a mentally disabled person. It's abhorrent and wrong.

If a woman is reacting violently toward you, you get away. If you see signs of aggression, walk away..

Chances are she's going to be acting aggressively BEFORE she makes the decision to hit you. I had a girlfriend shove me in the past during an argument. I turned directly for the door and left without saying a word to her.

Never EVER tolerate violence from a woman in a relationship.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (6 children)

You should be able to subdue your average woman without striking her.

[–]DanAffid 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Scratching, biting, screaming, flailing? Try it and tell me how it went

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Still a terrible idea to try. You should never even touch a woman who's mad enough at you to be physically aggressive.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

The only woman who has managed to slap me was my sister, because I allowed it to happen. I wasnt going to to accidentally hurt her by grabbing her arm.

I dont know about the US laws, but a woman tries to slap me, I simply catch her arm and hold it. 90% of humans are right-handed.

[–]disposable_pants 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I simply catch her arm and hold it.

And this turns into "he grabbed my arm and twisted it; look at this bruise" when she tells the police about it. You either dodge it or take the slap (it's a slap, it doesn't even hurt) and leave.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The entire post of OP was about "losing frame in the context of female unopposed violence". You get slapped, you flinch, you lose frame.

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you flinch

So don't flinch. It's slap from a 100 pound woman; it's not Brock Lesnar taking a swing at you.

Even if you do flinch, and even if you believe that constitutes losing frame, who cares? The alternate is quite possibly jail. Frame doesn't mean dick if you get arrested.

[–]blue_27 -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Nope. Do NOT put your hands on a woman in anger. I say again ... do NOT put your hands on a woman in anger.

It's a chick. It's not like they can hit very hard. And try not to get two more for flinching.

[–]yomo86 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not sure if a troll or not. If a 16 yo attacked a bouncer and he lays down the law on him totally ok. If a woman attacks a man. She is just a girl. If a woman wants a high paying job don't you dare say she just a girl.

[–]blue_27 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

What ... are you saying?

Why would a 16 year-old be interacting with a bouncer?

And then what do your next 3 sentences mean? The first one is phrased like a question. The second is a statement, but I'm not sure what it's confirming. And I have no idea where you're going with the third.

EDIT: No idea what the downvotes are for. Not that I give a flying fuck, but it's curious ... I was just asking for clarification of what the fuck dude is talking about. No worries, downvote it some more, please. And, it still doesn't make any fucking sense to me.