What I learned about dating a single mother. (self.TheRedPill)

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[–]sir_wankalot_here 203 points204 points  (41 children)

You don't date single moms, you juat fuck them while they date someone else.

[–]LugerDog 84 points85 points  (24 children)

Fuck em in the ass, single moms are always down for anal it seems.

[–]myschadenfreude 21 points22 points  (21 children)

Seriously, what's up with that? I guess that's a thing they others have noticed too lol

[–]LugerDog 34 points35 points  (9 children)

Dunno man but I think they are trying to please in order to lock down. Has to be something along those lines as bitches never like that shit but once a kid pops out it all changes.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (7 children)

Their vag is blown out already. The chocolate cheerio is the tighter option.

[–]NeverCountToThree[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

She was actually tight as fuck, which was surprising.

[–][deleted] 18 points18 points

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[–]jm-x 4 points5 points  (0 children)

because most men here are frustrated betas who get very little or no sex.

for ever /u/gaylubeoil there's a hundred AFCs.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 32 points33 points  (4 children)

I think it's a case of beggars can't be choosers, so they're more liberal with the sex acts they'll perform.

[–]iamsofuckingoutraged 9 points10 points  (3 children)

That's what thinking is. I have a friend who's been dating a single mother for maybe five months. He says she let's him do whatever he wants and won't ever try to ball and chain him. I figure well, no shit. All the leverage is on his end. She has the burden of the child. He could leave whenever he wants to. So now this numb nut is engaged to her and me, his close friend, hasn't even met her yet. This guy had already been married to one of the most vile women I've ever met. I don't trust his judgement.

[–]1DRMMR76 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It's the old bait and switch. Nothing loosens up a woman's sexual inhibitions like the realization that kinky sex is the only thing that might get a guy to stay long enough to get roped into being a permanent financier. The moment the guys is suckered enough into putting a ring on it, the anal and everything else dry up like your bank account is about to. She'll pull out all the stops while trying to win you over, anal, BJs, threesomes, BDSM, etc. It's all a ploy. Don't fall for it. Enjoy it for a month or two then cast her aside and get a new one. These days there will always be another still-almost-hot single mom out there willing to do every depraved sexual act you can imagine for a shred of hope of being wife-material.

On a side note, this is actually a perfect situation where Beta tendencies can be a good tactic. A single mom is first and foremost looking for her BB. Like Venus fly trap, she has to sucker the guy in close enough to close the marriage jaws around his wallet. She will do this through kinky sex. By letting a few Beta behaviors show here and there as you progress, you get her thinking that she's sooo close to finally pulling it off. If there was ever any sexual act you haven't tried yet but want to and only need a willing subject, this is your chance. Let those Beta tendencies show just a bit, casually bring up what you want to do sexually (she'll likely shoot it down at first), then pull back. Say you're rethinking the relationship, not sure if she's the one, and so forth. She will eagerly be your sex toy for whatever you can imagine out of fear she tipped her hand too early and might have shown the trap. Once you get yours, ghost and move on to the next one.

I'm in my early 30s, and I was fucking a 27yo single mom not too far back. Still a great body (though I was enjoying the last of those years for her). Could tell she was exactly the kind of girl I would have gotten Oneitis for in high school. The one Beta high school me would have fallen head over heels for. A few years younger than me, short, perky, always smiling, always touching my arm, grabbing my pants, and the biggest no-lmits slut I've met in a long while. At one point it just turned into a game to see if I could find anything she wouldn't do. Send me a short video of her masturbating at her desk at work? Yup. Take pics of a butt plug in her ass standing in a grocery store aisle? Yup. Suck my cock while on the phone with friends/sister? Yup. She even got her nipples pierced because I told her to. Hey, see that girl at the bar? Go make out with her. Now get her to come have a threesome with us. "Yes Sir!" And off she skips towards the bar, eager to not only be my toy, but to bring other female toys to me.

Then she started bringing up how I recently got promoted at work and how smart it would be for us to save money by moving in together. Next.

But be very very careful, especially if you're new to TRP and you still have some pretty strong Beta tendencies. You can use them to you advantage, but if you're not careful and aware of the single-mom's plans, it will suck you in. You will feel so comfortable with her and yourself. She will pretend like she likes everything you do, no matter how Beta. You will feel like you can lose frame and finally just kick back, relax, stop worrying about being Alpha, and let the deep throat BJs keep coming. This is what she wants. If you are not secure enough in your new Red Pill lifestyle and have even a sliver of a chance of reverting to Beta-you, don't risk it. She will coax that shit out of you and make you feel so wonderful for losing frame. You'll starting believing that she really is that sweet genuine caring lady in public, slut for you only perfect woman you always wanted. She's just been taken advantage of. Her ex was an asshole. Wouldn't it be nice if this could last forever? Why not just get married, she obviously loves you, loves sex, is fun to be around, why not go for it and tie the not right?.....right?

Good luck buddy, you're gonna need it to keep from blowing your brains out when you see those child support deductions.

[–]sd4c 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was exceptional and is exceedingly accurate, almost painfully so

[–]rumovoice 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Probably learned to do it during pregnancy

[–]naptakerr 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Dated a single mom, can confirm everything

[–]sd4c 28 points29 points  (9 children)

No. Don't even fuck them, because on the off chance that you hit a rough patch in your life while involved with her, and catch the feels, she will fucking end you. And if you don't lose frame, and have your shit together, don't fuck them because if she gets pregnant, you now get to raise her kids as well as yours, in order to make sure your son or daughter's older siblings aren't assholes to them

Rule of thumb, never fuck someone you couldn't at least somewhat tolerate being stuck in your life for 20 years. E.g., fat chicks, old chicks, single moms, single moms, or single moms

[–]Mithra9009 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Assuming you haven't already had a vasectomy and have your sperm locked up in the bank.

[–]vicious_armbar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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[–]RPmatrix 76 points77 points  (13 children)

  • 16) Her mother's a cunt, always.

the dreaded 'flag of flags' .... as soon as you disover this it's time to leave disceetely

[–]akolyteofthecentury 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Don't break eye contact, back away slowly as you push that one guy in your circle who still doesn't get it forward and once her focus shifts... run, son. Run like your life depends on it, because it does.

[–]sd4c 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Actually there is something to be said for this. Certain women are predatory enough that they will NOT let go of you, criminal code be damned, unless they have another victim. Women break restraining orders 81% of the time.

[–]akolyteofthecentury 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Oh, sure. If thats the case though (theres enough vids of scorned exes keying cars, throwing windows in and what have you) tape it and call the cops. Depending on how you frame it, they'll either act immediately or laugh at you- in which case evidence and reports of multiple and reoccuring "visits" will do the trick.

[–]mugatucrazypills 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They're all cunts.



[–]catsandnarwahls 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Fuck discreetly?! Screech your tires as you go!

Edit: forgot ?...agree whole heartedly with commenter as i added ? after his reply.

[–]sd4c 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, do not even fuck them. Not worth the risk

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As red as the Canadian flag while trying to be sweet like Canadian maple syrup.

It's still a damn red flag! Never forget that!

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there aren't any women left at that point. Now if dad is alpha and leads the house, and she still is?

Thats a different story

[–]Noctis_Cloud 33 points34 points  (2 children)

21) Expect non stop shit tests. Every waking second with a single mother will consist of shit test. Maintaining frame will become extremely frustrating. It will be hard not to angry at the bitch who is constantly nagging you over petty stuff while her kid is running around the house misbehaving for attention.

[–]JackGetsIt 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Basically this. They know they didn't vet the guy that knocked them up so every guy after that is going to pay big time with constant testing.

[–]JackGetsIt 63 points64 points  (24 children)

12) You date her Ex as much as you date her, he's always present.

I've seen this a lot. There's a good chance that if you're fucking a single mother you are now a pawn in a chess game between her and her ex. She will either use you to get him back or punish him.

Also don't forget number 21

21) You won't be allowed to discipline her bratty, poorly parented kids.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Can confirm... Ex-wife uses boyfriend as a pawn to try to fuck with me - has for years. He's totally under her control - she likes that. I don't think she's cheating on him (maybe she is who knows?), but she's definitely a control freak and she likes having the upper hand.

He's a broke dick loser she's sort of stuck with now though. The child support is due to run out in the near future, so it will be interesting to see what happens there. I'm sure my ex will end up coming out smelling like a rose anyway it shakes out, but it will be amusing to see how she sheds him when she no longer has use for him.

The question is will he get a real job? He might hang on if he does, but I doubt it.

Has anyone here ever seen a 45 year old woman plan to spend the rest of her life with a dude with no steady income, no assets or retirement fund? I haven't. He's been a house husband type who makes some cash doing odd jobs and little furniture renovation projects. He doesn't have a pot to piss in. If he did, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be there with his nose ten feet up my ex's ass being her little house cleaning bitch.

Anyway you slice it, if you date a single mom seriously you're going to have prostrate yourself in one way or another. In his case, he's the live in maid and replacement father figure.

<hamster spin>Sorry kids I sabotaged your relationship with your father... Here's a replacement dad</hamster spin>

He's going to end up single broke and alone having to move in with his elderly parents trying to get on his feet in his mid-late 40s with absolutely nothing to his name. Good luck finding a job buddy with no college degree and no work experience in nearly a decade.

I almost feel sorry for the fucker, but karma's a bitch. I wouldn't want to be his dumbass for all the tea in China.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 5 points6 points  (5 children)

She will use you to get him back or punish him.

The punishment part I can see. How would use you to get back her ex ?

[–]JackGetsIt 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Seriously? Let's call her ex Tom

Just by fucking her you're giving her your time, attention, validations, and provisions. This can be used to guilt the ex into not being a father or not helping out.

"Hey Tom, look, this guy gets to fuck me, I bet you miss that."

"Hey Tom, Sir_wankalot_here is more of a man then you'll ever be."

You can even be used to get other(s) to rescue her. If men come to her rescue it means that she's being cared for.

"Hey Tom, this guy raped me come save me!"

"Hey Tom, this guy emotionally abused me, save me!"

"Hey Tom, this guy emotionally abused my kids, save me!"

[–]sd4c 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You can even be used to get other(s) to rescue her. If men come to her rescue it means that she's being cared for. "Hey Tom, this guy emotionally abused me, save me!"

Very good observation. This happened to me when I was AF with a S.M.

*Told her I would not commit and would continue to see other people- that became I "cheated on her".
*Told her she couldn't move in and that I refuse to raise her kids as my own, that became "He's stringing me along"

[–]sir_wankalot_here 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Thanks. Obviously you understand women thinking better then I do.

[–]JackGetsIt 10 points11 points  (1 child)

It's not that women will use all these emotional weapons but they are capable of and ready to deploy them at all times and single mothers especially. AWALT.

[–]Thomaskingo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

single mothers especially.

A single mother is a desperate animal in hypergamic fight or flight mode with nowhere to go.

[–]LexisNexiss 3 points4 points  (12 children)

Hahaha you (or more correctly the Beta) has to sit there and take it; watch painfully at the years of lack of action, mistakes, poor parenting of prior "administrations." For any one with a spine and some values- that's gotta sting!

[–]JackGetsIt 10 points11 points  (11 children)

I think what's interesting about single mothers is that they know how low their value has fallen. They can't help but feel that any guy that fucks them from that point on is a beta chump provider in their mind because 'why would an alpha want to raise another mans child??'

[–]sd4c 12 points13 points  (10 children)

The most beta thing a man can do, is raise another man's child

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Can confirm. Ex-wife's fiancée is a huge pudgy pasty shclub that makes decent money and owns his home. All bucks and once that ring is on he's getting no fucks

[–]smokecheck1976 1 point2 points  (8 children)

I wonder about my grandpa, though I am still glad the man came along. My grandmother had two kids out of wedlock in the American south, which was a big time no-go at the time. Then she married a guy, cheated on him, got pregnant by the other guy (this one is my dad), and her husband used the pregnancy as evidence of adultery and divorced her. Then my grandpa came along. He married a woman with three kids and a divorce, and had four more kids. They were together until he died. She mourned to death a year later.

The man was a good hard worker. He retired twice and kept up a bee farm for years.

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 443 points444 points  (47 children)

This post is a bunch of bullshit.

Know how I know?

Because the mainstream media, websites like Buzzfeed and TV shows like Gilmore Girls have told me time and time again that single mothers are noble prizes that every high value man should be fighting for to win over.

Who am I going to trust, the mainstream media, or some random reddit poster?

[–][deleted] 92 points93 points  (33 children)

Its probably true for a beta trapped in a single moms web.

In the beginning, if you hold frame, she will fuck you recklessly and do all your errands hoping to trap you.

[–]Gross_Guy 67 points68 points  (29 children)

Dated a single mom for a bit and held frame for the first while. Holy shit did she put out. The nastiest, most dumbest shit, this girl was down for... it was awesome. Then caught the feels and it went to shit. Complete reversal of behaviour. Fear of them not having you keeps them in line, once they have you and they know they have you, they don't give a fuck about you.

[–][deleted] 66 points67 points  (20 children)

That's a good description of all women, not just single moms

Single moms are unique in that they have demonstrated their lack of ability to maintain a mans commitment. Alarm bellls should ring that either:

A .....she has chased Alpha cock very hard and likely will do it again

B......she is so toxic that some man left her and paid big bucks for the privilege of leaving.

Don't commit, just blow loads on her face til she realizes you are too smart to be trapped

[–]Gross_Guy 10 points11 points  (10 children)

It's funny because she even ASKED me to blow loads on her face before. Now I couldn't even get her to respond to a message if I did send her one. Shit's fucked. Definitely don't catch feelings and only ever enter with the intention for sex and that's it. It's like a bear trap, just don't do it

[–]sd4c 17 points18 points  (9 children)

We need a post on how not to catch feelings. It's easy when you're riding high, spinning plates and life is grand. But when misfortune strikes, and you lose 2/3 plates due to sudden health or money or time constraints- the plate you've got left can become a critical employee. And if she's a single mom, you are in for a world of shit like Private Pyle in Full Metal Jacket

[–]Adolf_ghandi 4 points5 points  (3 children)

We need a post on how not to catch feelings.

Force yourself to see her only every 4th+ day.

Use that time to do your hobbies especially if you do the with your friends. That is going to remind you that this pussy is worth shit compared to quality time.

but I always lift

Fuck you that is not a hobby it is a requirement.

[–]Stythe 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Solid advice. I see my plates once a week at most as usually it's once every 2 weeks. I dont undetstand how people even do more if they're not getting too close. Working a ft job is most of your day 5 days a week, Lifting 3 or 4 days a week clearls out a solid hour or two those days and you'd want a good nights rest for recovery. You're dumb if you don't have a hobby or outlet you can do for at least another couple hours on lifting days. That's leaves 2 full days and maybe a 3rd evening to see girls.

I realize I'm gauging from my life but I'm constantly busy and frankly I have a hard enough time seeing my friends as often as I'd like or taking some me time for relaxing as it is. I've come to enjoy it when I don't see plates every week. And it pays off this way. I heard back from one I hadn't heard from in a month and saw her. She was giving me sass saying she was trying not to contact me first and I just laughed because I've legitimately been busy while she thinks I'm ignoring her. It works to have a life.

Don't catch feelings. Or if you want an LTR, keep your boundaries up and never let them have all your time. Fuck, even fat kids get sick of cake eventually.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's simple. Just keep enough plates on rotation that you'd be unable to do something productive if you talk to all of them daily. Talk to one or two a day and spend the remaining unallocated time on a hobby or extra time at the gym (hopefully you already have allocated time for the gym). This will force you to treat women as a balancing act or game rather than an emotional attachment. And if that sounds like something absolutely douchey and objectifying, I not only don't care, but women do this to guys all the time. The amount of guys a woman is texting constantly is staggering. Which is why women don't get as much done as men, and also why it's hard to stand out with a woman just with electronic communications and in person is infinitely better (though text game can work sometimes at a lower efficacy)

[–]Mithra9009 0 points1 point  (8 children)

B......she is so toxic that some man left her and paid big bucks for the privilege of leaving.

What of the scenario of she being the one that ended the marriage? Or do single mothers that wanted a divorce behave differently to those where the marriage's end was initiated by the man? From my understanding, it's very rare for men to end a marriage due to the costs of doing so and consequently, it's very rare to come across a woman who is a single mother due to a marriage's termination where she was not the terminator.

[–]smokecheck1976 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Women initiate divorce 70% or so of the time. So more than likely, that divorcee woman initiated the divorce knowing there was no real down side to her for doing so. The usual reason cited for divorce? "We grew apart." Which roughly translates to, "When all the chemicals wore off and the baby(ies) came and love (loving her ex, anyway) turned into actual work (True love is damned hard work.), and she didn't want anything to do with that."

This holds true in almost all cases where one of the 5 A's isn't present. Treat them the same as you would anyone woman being considered for LTR except now you assess her ex and her relationship with him, and talk with her ex because he knows the real her, not the one being presented.

I disqualify any single mom receiving state support or state ordered child support, she is just lining you up to be a meal ticket and not worth any effort. Doesn't mean I won't fuck her and leaving wanting more, though.

[–]tyrryt 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Fear of them not having you keeps them in line, once they have you and they know they have you, they don't give a fuck about you.

That's the case with all women.

[–]Gross_Guy 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I found this out personally trust me. I feel so much better about how I approach women and myself. I've learned to not take it too seriously and invest nothing. Even if she seems "worthwhile" or "different" invest even less, because any and all women will stop caring about you at the drop of a pin when either a new guy comes along or they get too comfortable with you. I get it for real

[–]sd4c 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They can smell weakness like a fart in a car, and will exploit it. Anything you show you value or care about- your reputation, your kids, her- is fodder for a woman to implicitly or explicitly blackmail you with to get what she wants. Which in the case of single moms, is fresh meat to bring home to her bastards (your money and devotion).

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Dated a single mom for a bit and held frame for the first while. Holy shit did she put out. The nastiest, most dumbest shit, this girl was down for... it was awesome. Then caught the feels and it went to shit. Complete reversal of behaviour. Fear of them not having you keeps them in line, once they have you and they know they have you, they don't give a fuck about you.

Yeah, she'll be like a married woman in a way. She's got all that other shit going on. Just wants to spread it open and get pounded.

Unless you're the BB, then she will do just enough to get you to pay.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

once they have you and they know they have you, they don't give a fuck about you.


[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Great description of how most women are.

You won't even know when you cross that point where she knows "she's got you", but once she's got you, you're simply an item in her fully owned inventory and correspondingly boring.

Why not have a look at... other possible options, while there's still time and this idiot is fully signed up already? Her girlfriend Susie has such a sweet BF too, sure he's a bit of a chub but that man drives a Merc. What about my own fool? Sure he's so in love he's almost squealing here, but where's the luxury, where's the dream? Everything she knows she deserves?

women: "Don't be mad, when I look for other options, it's not even about you baby. It's about meee."

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Dude, mama Gilmore was hot. Hot women are never bad.

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree. Luke should have just banged her as a plate instead of catching the oneitis.

[–]Icanus 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I stroked the salami once or twice to mama and daughter in my bed.

[–]ransay3277 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I call major sarcasm here. Touche

[–]snorkelbagel 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Am I not awake yet or am I too stupid and need a "/s"?

If memory serves, doesn't the mother sleep with the daughter's english teacher to give her a leg up on her academic pursuits? Doesn't she hound and bait the local shopkeep, enticing him to keep seeking validation from her through unrewarded labor? Doesn't she turn down, over and over again, familial resources and support to improve her education in favor of "supporting herself"?

It's been like 10 years since I've seen that show.

[–]The_Red_Paw 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I'm just sad that you know that much about it.

[–]Icanus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fuck man, I loved that show.
It taught me AWALT long before I discovered trp.
And it was funny as hell.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Thanks for outlining the reasons to never date a single mom

[–]DoctorNation 106 points107 points  (12 children)

Dating single moms. Beta life 101

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It's inherently pathetic and nobody knows it better than the single moms themselves. They instantly turn on you the second you show any willingness to invest in another man's child.

The crazy thing is how, in typical female fashion, they don't even see it coming until it happens. They want to tie a guy down so bad, but when they get it they're instantly turned off and miserable. Rinse and repeat for the next guy they date.

[–]Farmer_Rick_Grimes 10 points10 points [recovered]

Dating? Yeah. Fucking one every now and then? Different story.

[–]sd4c 18 points19 points  (6 children)

No, don't even fuck them. You could catch feels or get them pregnant. Be accused of rape or domestic violence to extort money out of you. You know how in the wild, a mother will do ANYTHING to bring food to her kids? This is no different. Run, and as another poster said, push another man down on your way out the door

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not catching any feels for the single mom's I'm fucking. This needs to be a 'know yourself ' item. The other items on your list are negligibly possible and a single mothers credibility is below the basement

[–]50pluspiller 68 points69 points  (3 children)

Russian soldiers don't go on shore leave, maybe Russian sailors do.

Otherwise, a good list.

[–]imma_135 10 points11 points  (2 children)

My dad is an ex-russian military, can confirm that only sailors can go on shore leave.

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[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Never been in military, never been in US. Been to the shore. Can confirm.

[–]Ojisan1 21 points22 points  (0 children)

You could cross any 10 things off this list, and it would still be shitty deal for the man.

[–]Brewjo 22 points23 points  (5 children)

My single mother story, pre-redpill @ 26:

Getting to know a woman (22/w 4yo son) I met on a short course, a couple of dates later and some couch play these next two realizations drive me away faster than the phrase 'Get out of my apartment, I'm calling 911'.

I meet her mom, she has a decent management position at a major grocery store. This made me think 'wtf, how come your daughter isn't working there instead of being on welfare 100%'.

A couple of days after that, I overhear her talking to her friend over morning break saying "I think I want another baby, that way I won't have to work until 2020 under the law and get full benefits...".

Fuckin' lost her number after that. I took the blue-balls over that trap even when people were telling me how awesome it is to "step up to the plate and be the man they deserve".

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 11 points12 points  (5 children)

She either puts her kids before you, or she's a shit mother, neither option is great.

Single moms are fine for fucking. Do not be exclusive with one, ever... that's just cuckoldry.

[–]Polaris382 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Yeah, not to call anyone out (dont remember his name anyway) but I remember someone posting on here about how he was with a woman who was a single mother and ended up convincing her to put her kid up for adoption and then they ended up having 4 kids together.

I dont know which is worse...the fact that she was a single mother, or the fact she was willing to just turn her back on her child like that to start over. No matter how "Alpha" a guy might want to fancy himself for convincing a woman to give up her child like that, it speaks VOLUMES about her as a person (none of it good) that she would be willing to do so. Why the hell would you want to start a family with a woman like that?

[–]StotheGG 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I remember the poster. Thought it was vicious. Worst part is bragging about it, because that's who is picked to be the mother of his children. In my mind, she's the equivalent of a crack whore you'd wife up.

[–]alclarkey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Came here to say this. There are stories of women so head-over-heels in love with their new man that would kill their children for him. That's a whole 'nother ball of crazy.

[–]jedininjaman 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Her friends all either hate you or covertly want to fuck you - hardly unique to single mothers

[–]sd4c 6 points7 points  (1 child)

All women, either hate you or covertly want to fuck you

[–]makeshift98 43 points44 points  (9 children)

I never understand the hate for single mothers. She is busy, you're busy, she comes over for sex and then leaves. It's not like anyone here would actually be stupid enough to get into a serious monogamous relationship with one, right?

[–]sd4c 23 points24 points  (0 children)

A good question. The problem is, most women won't let you just fuck them indefinitely without either slowly sucking you into a relationship, or "accidentally" getting pregnant.

[–]reddish_dog 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I agree. The single mothers I've known are easy to bed -- their free time is scarce and they're going to fuck you rather than pay for a babysitter again -- and they're not demanding of your time at all. Just be sure to have a solid logistics plan. Because they're busy, with single moms you get to do your thing without getting bothered often, which is the most important consideration for me. Just be sure to never get the feels. However, I've only been with single moms who had good jobs, so they weren't looking for a BB specifically, and they had normal-ish relationships with their ex. Much of the trapping behavior and emotional manipulation didn't really apply in my situations.

[–]sd4c 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It might have seemed that way. They could have been trying to get pregnant the whole time, despite earnest-sounding protests to the contrary. Even with a condom, they may have figured, eventually he'll be drunk/horny enough to forget, or will finally trust me enough not to use one

[–]JP116 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This. Why would you be giving her any money for anything? Just hang out, bang her and she leaves so she can send the babysitter home.

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[–]StotheGG 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For a plate you seem to be defending your relationship with this girl as well as going out of your way to 'defend' her against the insults tossed around single mothers. Someone has feel feelz and dat sum one is you. You ain't plating shit.

[–]IndescisiveUser 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Holy shit...this post is on point. Coming out of a relationship with a single mother I can vouch for a lot of these except for couple of them (not spending the night,not furthering their education)

But the one with mental health, social media and always coming last ( to be expected ).

Remind me to gold star this once I get to an actual computer.

[–]1kick6 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What I learned about dating a single mother: don't.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It is like fighting a midget. If you win, you lose, if you lose you lose.

If you date a single mom and "do the right thing" you subject yourself to a shitty situation where you are captain save a ho.

If you break up with a single mom you are "an asshole" "not a real man" "not secure enough in your masculinity to raise another man's kid" blah blah blah

Just avoid. Have standards and youll never go hungry.

[–]powerwinch 17 points18 points  (15 children)

Single moms apparently make good plates.

[–]NeverCountToThree[S] 52 points53 points  (12 children)

True, they do. But BEWARE.

They fuck like Broncos for a reason, to get you addicted.

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[–]skoobled 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Quite some time ago I had a successful first date with a single mother (also a first). Could've taken her home in retrospect, but there were some slightly bad logistics that I over considered. Anyway, point is I console myself that it could have been a dodged bullet

[–]Evileddie13 12 points13 points  (5 children)

I've never fucked a Bronco. How do you game a horse?

[–]BRENDORVEGAS 31 points32 points  (3 children)

The carrot and stick approach

[–]RedEyesBlueShades 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Carrot in the ass, stick on the back?

[–]NotUpToAnythingGood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True, the one single mother I was seeing for a while was very much as described. Though she wasn't mentally screwed up, she found herself having been in three relationships with guys who came out gay.

It definitely gave her some self-esteem issues.

The two big things she was looking for was a guy to marry and a guy to have crazy amounts of sex with (she felt deprived), preferably in one guy. I was good for one but not both.

It was fun. We went our separate ways a couple months later. She got married this last December.

[–]_alber 1 points1 points [recovered]

It sounds like you would have to have your game on point to plate a single mom, is it really worth the effort, or by applying TRP methods does it become easy?

[–]sd4c 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It depends how desperate she is, and if she even has custody of her bastards

[–]drallcom3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Not even that. They rarely have time.

[–]sd4c 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sometimes they do at first, in order to reel you in. The terrorist doesn't walk into the place shooting. He waits until he's deep into the building where he can torment the victims with impunity

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Betas should not date single moms. Alphas should fuck them.

[–]sd4c 4 points5 points  (2 children)

No, no one should fuck them. What would you do to feed and shelter your own kids? That is what they will do to secure meat for their bastards

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 22 points23 points  (17 children)

I'm in a relationship with a mom. I have two step kids. QUIT HOVERING OVER THE DOWNVOTE BUTTON. I came into the relationship bringing two kids of my own.

That being said, I agree with the OP... It's incredibly rare to find a single mother who isn't a gold-digging, marriage-obsessed social media junkie.

I don't have any of those problems with my spouse, I think because we are both older than the typical single mom (she is 38, I'm 42), and we both had established careers before the relationship- in fact, she makes a lot more money than me.

It can be hard to get free time together, but we make a point of going on trips together- most recently to Colorado, where she alternated between fucking my brains out, and buying me expensive things.

She has tolerated me fucking other women through this whole relationship, admitting that she would rather share an alpha than have a beta all to herself. She has never liked it, but she also has never left me for it. (Currently I'm not fucking other women. Not for lack of availability, just my own lack of interest.)

She is obsessed with keeping me happy- some days I have to tell her NOT to bring me dinner at work because I'd prefer she get a little more sleep (she works nights at the hospital). She actually gets upset almost to the point of tears if I don't let her do things for me.

Her partner count is ridiculously low for a person of our age- so low that when she told me, I actually laughed. You know how they say that whatever number a woman gives you, you should triple that, and that's probably closer to the truth? Okay, I tripled it... Still far less than half of my number.

I would say I got lucky, but that's not true. After my divorce I dated and fucked a LOT of women, and didn't settle for less than I was worth. There was no luck involved. I dated in the way that women date- I was cold, calculating, and interested solely in my own needs.

Her having a couple kids is actually a plus to me. I've been a single dad for a long time and dating women who don't have kids usually ends with them feeling upset when I have to put my kids first. A woman who has kids of her own understands that. Plus her kids are great, and I particularly like having a boy in the house- both my kids are girls, so in the past I never had a boy to pass man knowledge onto. That's pretty fulfilling.

As for the whole "not having a male heir of my own" thing, I came to terms with that a long time ago, when a doctor told me my chances of ever having another kid were less than 1%. Anyway, if either of my girls gives me a grandson, boom, there's my heir.

Back to my original point though- I agree with OP for the most part, because I recognize my relationship as being far from the norm. Most single moms are greedy, manipulative cunts with bad judgment and loose morals.

[–]NeverCountToThree[S] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Thanks for the reply post, it's good to see some input from married Red Pill men on here for contrast.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 17 points18 points  (3 children)

We aren't married. Between us, we have five... FIVE failed marriages. Neither of us sees a practical advantage to filing paperwork to be legally obligated to each other. Besides, I've been married three times, so I know first hand that the day you marry a bitch is the day she stops shaving her pussy for you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 6 points7 points  (1 child)

the day you marry a bitch is the day she stops shaving her pussy for you.

If I ever need words inside my broken heart tattoo these would be it.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I had my reservations when we moved in together, but the endless parade of pussy and home cooked meals didn't slow down a bit. Your mileage may vary.

[–]GreatWhiteCuck 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You've been married 3 times and now you have oneitis. You can lead a horse to water

[–]sd4c 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Assuming she's not a widow, why did she lose the father(s) of her kids?

[–]Mountin-man46 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I lost interest in her around #4

[–]ANGRY_ATHEIST 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'd put all these in the AWALT category. A lot of the bullet points here don't just apply to single moms, and YMMV.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I've dated a few. MANY of these problems have come up, but many do not come up with most of them.

These are certainly things to watch out for.

Though I might sound optimistic about dating SM, or combative to this view, I do agree with the spirit of it, and the overwhelming majority of these relationship will end.

Bottom line is this: she chose a shitty father, and you will be a resource for her first priority, which is either herself or her children.

[–]NeverCountToThree[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

In defense of her son's father, he's actually a great guy, well loved in our community, charity work, disabled care and runs a motoring enthusiast club. She is legitimately ill and chases a lot of people away.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's cool that you have such a subjective view of him.

[–]epicaricacy12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yep, she's single for a reason

[–]justgotalpha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The first rule to dating single moms its actually NOT to date them.understand they are not looking for alpha males they know they cant attact them easily anymore.they are looking for beta bux and any man who gives them attention its put in the provider zone.

I had this single mom i was fucking.i will say a 6HB with a fatass!!! I knew what i was getting myself into and was calculating her every move,she was being too kind and submissive even buying me stuff(i was the gold digging whore in this case lol) the moment i saw she was trying to make me commit thats when i stopped the text,visits ( yeah pussy gets boring after a while) and i would always gave an excuse of being busy at work so that she will look for another prey.

Lessons learned: if you date them yes all the things OP said can happen.

Be smart to only fuck them They will be very submissive at first They are damaged goods Get ready to have wild and caliente!!! Sex (dont fall for it) nothing but hoes and tricks (AWALT)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

The paradox of dating single mothers: if she's a good mother, she will never put your first; if she puts you first over her kids, she's really not the type of person you want to be with.

If you date a SM, you have to be prepared to be #2 after her kids. If you can't handle that, pass.

[–]Ka0zzz 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You nailed it. Just divorcing (yeah I know) one of them atm.

[–]NeverCountToThree[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't sweat it, dude. Sorry it didn't work out in your favor the first time around.

[–]sd4c 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good luck. Don't be too hard on yourself, just make time to reflect on what made you vulnerable to her predation to begin with.

[–]Trumpanoly 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You should never meet the single mothers kids. As a man it is not your responsibility to take care of someone else's children.

Single mothers can be a lot of fun, and potentially more sexually adventurous.

But, they are damaged goods. Never to be promoted past plate status.

Also for the children's sake, never get involved in their lives.

I know one girl who brings her bf of the week to play with her kids at the park. Who knows what kind of long term damage that will cause the kids growing up. Disgusting behaviour.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know one girl who brings her bf of the week to play with her kids at the park. Who knows what kind of long term damage that will cause the kids growing up. Disgusting behaviour.

That's nothing, compared to what ex does. See my other comment.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There are three types of single moms:

  1. The idiots who got pregnant by a guy who never intended to stick around in any way. Probably because she was too dumb to know how birth control works.

  2. The ones who did lock down/marry the dad but drove him away by being awful. Think about that for a minute. She's so bad she made the guy abandon his own offspring.

  3. The widows. Not many of these and they're the only ones who deserve a second glance. Though she's likely to be literally an alpha widow, she at least isn't a single mom simply because she's an awful person.

[–]1RedDragon41 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Single moms try harder than any type of girl if you get them chasing hard enough. Because they have more to lose and less to offer usually. If you put her in her place regularly its not hard to get them not be a cunt, if you don't though she'll be a SUPER cunt.

[–]TheBlibberdude 2 points3 points  (4 children)

You're stating the obvious here. Also, why date her in the first place, if she has a terrible personality?

1) That's a little vague. 2) Of course you come last. She's got children. 3) Of course your free time is spent around her kids. She needs to look after them, which means she'll be around them most of the time. 4) Yes... She has to spend time looking after her children. 5 and onwards) She sounds like a douche. Why would you date her in the first place?

[–]NeverCountToThree[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I actually started falling in love with her kid, I love kids. Even though I never want any of my own, I just love taking care of them and watching them learn from me. She was just a really toxic person, THAT, I learned later on.

Women are masters of manipulation and deception.

[–]bigk12345 1 point2 points  (3 children)

"You cannot possibly understand the profound feeling of betrayal when one wakes up from that. "

This is the best comment of the thread.

It is easy to justify women's' feelings in society and their innate ability to cover shit ie guy she is banging a week after you is just a friend."

Women are handed everything and expect to just be.

Men are told to suck it up.

Frankly , after my BPD encounter , I felt like a little bitch thinking why do I feel so empty, worthless, and abused, especially with a person that wants to get married and I gave her everything only to watch her run to the same type of guys that she bitched about in a first place.

Women don't know what they want and expect men to Figure it out. Except for they are totally unable to provide to Explanation on how to do so and when you give them your all , you are considered to be a beta bitch who isn't Willing to stand up to her and lose attraction.

These are things that most of the women will never confess because it is in their nature to Justify things.

My buddy was just telling me a story of an attractive woman he knows.

She regularly goes on dates with NBA players that fly her out. She barely graduated university and has no ambition in life except for to find a rich hubby and flat out admits she looks up players salaries.

Another friend told me one of the biggest former NBA stars flew out a girl that recently divorced ( just a week ago) to bang her. The poor sap is probably watching the ink dry on the divorce papers while she is already out for her next set of adventures.

This is just the game and how it works.

The first chapter in The Rational Male alone was eye-opening . There is no perfect girl, just good or bad in terms of fit. That is it.

None of the Disney land bullshit about Prince Charming.

Prince Charming is fucking other girls on the side and chooses his princess because of genuine desire to be with him and all the real life experience and mastery he has gained.

[–]leroymcfiggans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This post just helped cement the thoughts I was thinking as my friend I've known since high school told me she won't be married anymore. I have no desire to date her, but I wouldn't mind but I wouldn't mind fucking her. I reckon im learning.

[–]claybunnies[🍰] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Did we date the same person? Never again. But, she did red pill me.

[–]NeverCountToThree[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nah, I got red pilled by a girl a few before her back in 2013.

We'd known each other all our lives, turned out I never knew her at all.

[–]claybunnies[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I doubt they're the same person. The single mom I dated was in Ohio. The worst part, is she was the first relationship I was in where sex did not flow freely. It blew my mind that relationships like that could exist. About halfway through the relationship I was wondering if I was wasting my time driving to her and not getting any.

[–]Icanus 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What are your thoughts on dating (young) widows? (a different kind of single mom)

[–]BioshockBrah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'v dated a few single moms and almost everything OP said is correct. Not fucking kidding. Damn son, spot on.

[–]e4tshit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This post is shockingly accurate. I've never smiled so angerly in my life. I don't need to type the story, OP already did.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only time its acceptable to date a single mom/raise another man's child, is if you have expendable wealth and you already have biological children of your own.

Despite my distaste for most of the echo chamber nonsense that goes on here, staying clear of single moms is one piece of advice that every man should take to heart. The BEST that can come of it is that you forgo extending your genetic line into the future... and any self respecting guy (who wants that) should not do it.

[–]External12 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My experience was very different. She drank lots of whiskey, loved fucking, and would leave her 12 year old at home a lot. Never really made me pay for stuff either. Very low maintenance. We never considered each other a item as much as friends for the months we hung out.

[–]aazav 1 point2 points  (0 children)

18) She never has any money of her own yet magically accumulates new clothing items (from other men)

Her M.O. is to use others to gain items for her. She's a user and will use anyone for her personal gain.

[–]GC0W30 1 point2 points  (1 child)

21) She will lie about and sabotage birth control to get your baby in her to keep her claws in your wallet for 18+ years.

On the upside, I had a vasectomy I never told her about... but she was pregnant by the next guy 75 days after I left when she demanded I leave my live-in girlfriend for her.

[–]NeverCountToThree[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got a vasectomy on my 20th birthday, I've never told a soul about it and my mother never shuts up about how she can't wait until I give her grandchildren even though my 22yr sister already did.

[–]infiniteslinky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah... When my crush from high school who never had the time or interest for me moved home after getting her jaw broken by her ex-husband magically started showing some interest, I realized pretty quickly it was for my money and nothing else. You always have to remember that women's plan b is a man.

[–]solidsnork 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't date single mothers. I make them.

[–]iHATEhooligans 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Dude a-fucking-men. I dated a single mother and this exactly is what I would have wrote. I would've added that she usually has daddy problems too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (13 children)

I am going to be a voice of dissent here rather than join the echo chamber. Of course all of the above can be true but I do not think single mums are particularly worse than any other woman. They have problems peculiar to them and I do not personally think any woman is suitable for true commitment , just fucking or plating so I do not come at this from an LTR or SO perspective. Also I am much older than most of you, so I run into a lot of hot single mums. If she is hot, she is getting fucked.

All single mums are different. I have met ones from great families, some with great bodies/ minds, some with weak bodies/ minds. They are just garden variety women. I know there are major posts by major contributors in here "all single mums are scum" etc. I would just say "all women are scum". So I will list some advantages a single mum has over other women (YES there are major disadvantages as well, all adequately covered in the above post):

  1. If you are alpha they treat you alpha. If you are beta then you deserve to deal with all of the shit listed above. Standard AF/BB rules apply
  2. They can have cars and nice houses. They can pick you up, cook you a killer meal, fuck your brains out in their nice smelling rooms, let you drink their best wine and drive you home.
  3. They have their own money. Either they were part of a double income family, or they got a chunk of ex-betas money which they will use to buy you nice shit and pay their own air fares on holidays
  4. Wisdom. Kids make even the dumbest of fucks wiser. Sometimes this leads to some half decent conversations and world views.
  5. They are freaks in bed, yes they always give up the ass, you gotta love that
  6. If you have kids yourself like me they make good baby sitters and it makes for a decent diversion or mixed play date for the kids. Plus they clean up after me and my kids (I do not clean, that is woman's work)
  7. If she has nice kids you can have some fun interactions with the kids. I like kids, I have kids, kids are better than grown ups, less fucked up and more honest
  8. That's it. They are just as fucked up as all other women.


[–]individua1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I read these articles and a few points are valid here and there, however it mostly sounds like broken-hearted guys bitching about failed relationships.

At no point do I hear the OP mention his own personal failings (been a pushover). After all, how did he get to list so many negatives from one person, if he himself wasn't such a sucker for punishment?

People only get to mistreat you, if you let them. If a negative comes up and you don't like it. Just ask her to fix up or your out of the door for good (all these negatives should be dealt with as early as possible). Also remember that your shit can stink too, so be reasonable. People can't always choose their family, but they can tell them to shut the f%#t up. So be prepared to give and take, but do not betray you principles.

Ask for her to fix the problem ASAP or the relationship is over for you. Stand by your word and have the guts follow through. Understand your value! If she believes you have value, she will remove the negative in order to keep you. If she does not value you, then you have lost nothing by leaving her, as she does not value you enough to take action.

If you have stated your relationship laws (likes & dislikes) early and she agrees to them because your a good catch. Then you don't even get to make that giant list of negatives because she knows "she's gotta do the work to keep you".

If a woman knows you are valuable, she will remove all bullshit that may cause you to walk. Because you have stated that "I will walk". And you are a man of your word because she knows you can not be "fear of lossed" but pussy alone.

However, my advice only works if you have value (positive emotional worth). So a man has to be an emotional asset. Her plus you = a better situation for her. And I don't mean because you have money.

A good woman knows when she has a good thing. A woman who is bad for you, doesn't know a good man and will give you a list of disrespect like the one you have got. So just leave her ass early if she isn't ready for you. You will have lost nothing.

A sneaky woman can only fake caring for so long. Eventually she will show her true colours and f%*k up (if you give her time). So do not rush in with women. Don't move in with her in the first two years. Keeps a little independence so you can walk away quickly if you need to.

She is the one who should fear losing you. And in return, you will get a woman you too, fear losing.

My last question for you to ask yourself: Are you a good catch? If not, you have some work to do first unless my advice won't work.

[–]Nydusurmainus 2 points3 points  (2 children)

2) You ALWAYS come last

This means she is being a good parent, the child should always come first for her and then herself so she can take care of the child. As soon as you have a kid that's it your needs and wants no longer matter it is all about the kid. If you don't understand this then you are an idiot or just a selfish piece of shit. If you were a single father you should do the same, give up going out and fucking around and focus on raising that child the best you can.

[–]Newbosterone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is one for the sidebar. NASMALT, but every single mother has one or more of these characteristics. You decide what you're willing to put up with.

[–]val-amart 3 points4 points  (1 child)

wow, how is this shit getting upvoted here? the guy just sounds like an angry beta

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

5) Your money is her first priority, her child is her second

Sounds like you're the BB. Btw, her mom should secretly want to bang you.

[–]NeverCountToThree[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wasn't BB at all, she just imploded when I wouldn't swallow what she gave me.

[–]jumpyfrog2015 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would strongly agree with about half of your list (which is still high)

Felt like I was behind her kids, her job, going to the gym and keeping the peace with her ex. Roped into about 6 hours of watching the kids per week.

She would often say "my kids and I are a package deal". Sadly that package deal came with her ex-husband.

After we broke up, went on a few dates with single moms but I was a bit wiser and asked more questions which led to a head for the hills.

My friends and family were concerned and glad I got out.

Loneliness is better than nonsense.

[–]Sebleh89 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Point by point, this reminds me of my ex, except it was a dog instead of an actual child.

[–]ArmyofDumb 1 point2 points  (1 child)

When I read this subreddit I fluctuate between thinking this sub is full of red-pill alphas or will-never-be red-pill losers and most of the comments in here solidify the later.

Time to grow up, boys.

[–]NeverCountToThree[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a bit cynical, TRP is a ladder mate, not just two categories that fit into your definition.

[–]LexisNexiss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A plate or two occasionally is fine, but the nonsense that goes with this is too much. Literally, almost all of those characteristics r true in some capacity. Don't ever marry or get one pregnant. Than its over

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good list. Nothing new under the sun, tho.

Well deserved, OP. Think it twice the next time.

[–]doveenigma13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those rules don't always all apply, but some of them always do.

[–]MAWL_SC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

21) She may be furious at the fact she was pumped and dumped, and until she resolves that anger she will be a toxic bitch to everyone in her life, especially if the child is male because she sees her ex's face in the child every single day.

[–]Gawernator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Russian soldiers are always on shore, I think you meant Russian sailors* on shore leave

[–]getRedPill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Now we are on this topic:.

Why would a young beautiful woman you are talking to would bring without you asking she is a mom. Have seen it two or three times recently

[–]NeverCountToThree[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I knew she was a mother, she told me before the relationship began. That's not the point of my post, the point of my post was to detail what I learned about dating "A" single mother.

I made no attempt to paint with broad strokes and say "ALL SINGLE MOTHERS ARE LIKE THAT"

It's just my personal viewpoint and what I took away from the situation.

[–]mach0927 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Damn dude. Not all are that bad. Of course they are looking for a provider and such but there are single moms who are aware a relationship goes two ways. Likely hard to find though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

7) Her friends all either hate you or covertly want to fuck you

This sometimes makes it worth it ;-)

[–]NeverCountToThree[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sometimes, but my ethical compass doesn't point that way unfortunately. When I'm dating a chick exclusively, I'm usually pretty monogamous without being a doormat.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair.... it gives you some options for afterward.

[–]mmmoreos 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lmao this is true. Just fuck them. I was banging a single mom in my college hometown while she was dating football players or some older wealthy guy. Fun while it lasted but I have my own life and goals. I don't want her past mishaps to shape my future.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any man that chooses to be a cuckold deserves a shit GF

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