30-year-old woman on OKCupid subreddit is frustrated upon seeing men her own age dating younger girls. The Wall is a harsh and unforgiving master indeed. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

Summary: Women cannot handle the Wall. It hits them at breakneck speed, shattering all of their bones and emotions. If you want a quick lay, these women are the best because they're so desperate..

Full thread here from okcupid subreddit.

The wall is a well-known concept here but I wanted to present firsthand evidence just for any doubters out there. This evidence is surprisingly from the OKCupid sub, which is usually a feminist infested sub where everyone has their head in the sand pretending that the world is a lovely egalitarian place. But today a 33-yo woman posted whining about not being desirable anymore. I'll dissect her post here...

(33f Annapolis, MD)

Oh boy. This goin' be good.

I know this isn't a rational feeling, but whenever I see a guy in his 30s or so dating a woman that is significantly younger +5 years or so I get upset.

TRP lesson #1: women are incredibly jealous of each other! Notice how the postwall OP is legitimately emotionally upset at seeing men being taken by younger, hotter girls. Entitled much?

Dating for me as I have gotten older has gotten a lot more difficult. In my 20s there were a lot of guys I could see myself dating. As I have gotten older, the pool of guys that don't have children/have a steady job/looking for a relationship is just so slim.

"a lot of guys I could see myself dating" = "In my 20s I opened my legs for all the Bretts and Brads of the world. I even had a threesome once, it was so empowering! (Except for the ugly nerds and short guys of course, haha, but they don't count)"

"the pool of guys that don't have children/have a steady job/looking for a relationship" = "When I was younger all that mattered is how big his biceps were. But damn it, I need my beta provider to make babies for me! I need someone with a fat check and willingness to be tied down! Where did all the good men go?"

You see a guy that checks all of your boxes, only to find out he only dates women in their 20s :(. I just get a tinge of jealousy, being like hey GIVE ME A SHOT. I don't know if its insane, just my late night rant. Good night okcupid.

Hey at least she admits that it's straight-up jealousy. Self awareness like this is rare for a woman.

On one hand, you gotta feel sorry for her. 33 is basically two years from being past the medically safe age limit for pregnancy. Finding a docile beta, shackling him to marriage, and pumping out some kids seems like a tall order within two years. And to be fair she probably is legit lonely.

But... think about how women behave in their teens and 20s. Having insane height standards for men. Affirmative action in engineering/science programs to help them get in easier. Going to bars with no money in their pockets cause they know the men will buy drinks. Never paying for a date. Always receiving help when she needs it from the nearest thirsty guy. Having sex as easily available as soda from a vending machine.

Nah. I don't feel sorry for any postwall woman who finds herself in a terrible predicament after failing to lock down a quality man. She had literally a decade to do it, and instead spent that time being tag-teamed by Jorge and Raoul during spring break.

And unlike women, men age like wine. Notice how the men in her OP have their pick of the kittens in the litter. You too can become a man like this if you work out, land a good job, improve your charm, and learn some solid game.

Then women like OP will be begging to give you a blowjob, hoping it might lead to something more. The world is your oyster. Have fun with it.

TL;DR: Women hit the wall, men jump over it. If you stay healthy and play your cards right, 30s is an amazing time to slay pussy and meet quality girls. Don't let postwall women shame you into settling down with them if you don't want it.

[–][deleted] 297 points298 points  (98 children)

You misunderstand, she's not looking for a beta, she's still trying to compete for Chad. She's about 6-12 months away from her "epiphany" phase where she grows up and realizes biceps aren't nearly as important in a man as is a house and 401k. That's when she'll really feel the pain-when she finds out she should have realized this five years ago.

[–][deleted] 157 points158 points  (50 children)

This is the true wall. This is where guys who are 30-40 can really cash in hard. Guys on here act like the wall is about declining looks, but that's not it at all. No matter how bad she looks there are always a thousand thirsty betas (and a few Chads with a preference for older women) willing to fuck. Women never lose the advantage in the dating game. It gets smaller, but they keep the advantage in dating/sex forever. They lose the advantage in the commitment game, which they never had, but they never realized they didn't have.

All through their 20s they figured they could settle down at any time. They see themselves as the conquerers and think of themselves as the free spirits "manipulating hot guys and using them for sex." They assume that given their success in the dating world, they should be able to lock down a husband at any time.

Suddenly they realize a few things. First, Chad actually isn't willing to stick around. No, Chad wasn't chasing after you as you ignored his pleas to be your boyfriend. He was fucking a new girl the next weekend, or even the next day. He didn't like you that much, and he definitely doesn't want to put a baby in you. Second, their biological clock is ticking, and they need to come to terms with the rules of one-on-one pairing in dating vs. the "everyone fucks Chad and pretends he loves you" game they've been playing for the last 10 years.

So these women are in a rush. If you look like you could be "Dad" in the next 2-3 years, she'll pull out all the stops to rope you in. For most of these girls, all the stops just means sex on the first date (justified with the fact that she's a mature and responsible woman who can do whatever she wants with her sexuality). With these women, all you have to do is not fuck up. Look like the fantasy she's always dreamed of, a Chad who wants to settle down. She has no choice but to believe it's true. She wasn't imagining things. She really can have kids with Chad, he didn't just want to pump and dump. But for the love of God use protection with these women and don't come back for seconds.

[–]harsha_hs 51 points52 points  (8 children)

Quality post.

Can't stress more on below point.

But for the love of God use protection with these women and don't come back for seconds.

They can go any level to tie you up. 'I have your baby' to 'He raped me'

Thinking more: I feel, post-wall ladies are better to avoid. 20's girls are more fun to hangout with, way lesser shit-tests ,of course more attractive body and tighter pussy.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (5 children)

It varies. Girls in their 30s suck ass. Desperate to get a provider, want a baby in them NOW. Fuck that.

However find a girl in her 40s that looks good (not entirely easy to do, but possible), that has a decent job and just wants sex (their libido goes into overdrive) and supports herself and it can be fun when you're older.

But, finding a girl like that isn't easy, and young girls are so much easier with less drama.

[–]harsha_hs 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I'm just 30, nowadays I find myself only with 22-24 aged girls. I don't specifically ask their age and date them. I just go out there and have fun, hit on most lively, active and attractive girl who is fun. that's all. Serious and mature girls, I don't feel like buying food or drinks for them

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I decide if they get the chance or not, don't really care what age they are, i prefer younger girls, and 30-39 are looking for a beta bucks so they usually select themselves for the no. Around me the crazy, clingy, and addicted are the most prevalent, so a man must be discerning. I don't need crazy fucking up my life again.

[–]harsha_hs 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yes, when you are able to let go the hottest girl due to her craziness, you've swallowed RP

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Her hotness declines, there is always another hot one out there. A new crop turns 18 every day.

[–]1Original_Dankster 21 points22 points  (22 children)

So these women are in a rush. If you look like you could be "Dad" in the next 2-3 years, she'll pull out all the stops to rope you in.

In my mid 40s. For years I've been open about my decision to not have kids, and my vasectomy. It's cost me in terms of attracting women in their early 30s.

I'm at the cusp of deciding whether I will or won't disclose that anymore. On one hand, let these women think I'll be their sperm donor. I'll pull more that way. On the other, that may come with drama that I don't want.

[–]Pinkmistiscool 48 points49 points  (9 children)

30's male with a vasectomy and I NEVER disclose that shit. Its none of their business... "My body, my decision, yada yada!". I just can't wait for the pregnancy scare to try and lock me in.... Imma eat that shit up!!!! Lmao!

[–]okkyle 16 points17 points  (4 children)

I just can't wait for the pregnancy scare to try and lock me in.... Imma eat that shit up!!!! Lmao!

Really looking forward to this field report.

[–]Freiling 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I believe I've read one about exactly that. If true, hilarious.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 4 points5 points  (2 children)

If you do not post a full, detailed story, then you are not doing your duty as a man.

[–]Eidolon3436 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Same here. #fixedanditfeelssogood !!

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't have disclosed it! Machiavellan and all that...use hidden truths to your advantage.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Why the fuck would you stick around with this type of woman long enough that you would need to disclose that? What moral obligation do you have to them also? If you wanna be moral about it and not waste her precious last few years of beta hunting, be quick about it. Don't be like me and bang for 6 months. Get in and get out. Hell, that sort of blatant rejection is often a wakeup call. I've seen women go from pumped and dumped to married to an appropriate level beta in under a year.

[–]Wycked_x 4 points5 points  (2 children)

You guys are all really lucky, and I hope some bitch does tell you shes pregnant so you can pull some fuckin' hilarious shit on their cheating whore-asses.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Like the famous Craigslist post where a man left a woman crying after he pulled out documented proof of his vasectomy after she tried to pull a paternity scam on him.


[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I don't tell either. The girl who is lounging next to me doesn't know, but after a year of busting a nut in her without a worry, she probably is rather certain.

[–]Capitalist_Oppressor 13 points14 points  (2 children)

"Cash in hard" is the truth.

There's a pretty big "Divorced Night" at an upscale restaurant/bar in my area. All the standard divorce decree/custody agreements in my state are boiler plate, giving the father child custody every other weekend and Wed nights. So on Wed nights a decent looking guy can walk in and have his pick of the litter. I actually had one grab my tie as I walked in and said, "Who's are you?". Really nice for a chnge. BIG fun!

[–]kireol 22 points23 points  (7 children)

Women never lose the advantage in the dating game.

I'm going to disagree here. Anecdotal personal account: Once I hit 30, the amount of women chasing me went up 10 fold. Things switched to them being the aggressor.

Now that I'm 45, women are so blatant about hitting on me, they do it in front of my wife. This works out well for me as my wife keeps her game strong.

[–]trancedj 11 points12 points  (0 children)

40 year old here. Can confirm. The amount of women showing interest in me these days can be overwhelming. My main chick cannot keep her mouth off my cock. She's 30 ;)

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is very interesting-great comment.

Roosh V has written about this and it got me to thinking. I think you're both right, given the commonality of men who "marry up" or "LTR up" post-wall single moms and the low-status 5s out there. And there are a lot of those types of women by the time they reach the post-wall age category.

Except maybe the most simple, timid, and ugly women, who are the ones floating around on Tinder and dating sites and don't seem to get a man.

The average woman, I suspect, can find Joe Smith who has little minimum criteria in a woman. That's what I see sometimes when I'm out, anyway.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Suddenly they realize a few things. First, Chad actually isn't willing to stick around. No, Chad wasn't chasing after you as you ignored his pleas to be your boyfriend. He was fucking a new girl the next weekend, or even the next day. He didn't like you that much, and he definitely doesn't want to put a baby in you.

How many women that age have you heard say that their relationship was going nowhere? Nowhere means "Chad had better options." Then suddenly all of her friends start reeling in beta's, and having the bigass wedding / baby showers and she sees the validation orgy from that. There is quite a bit of social pressure from all of the girls she's competing with on this front.

So these women are in a rush.

Not to mention that many of the benefits she enjoyed, such as easy job opportunities, going out drinking for essentially free each weekend, or random guys taking care of day to day matters for her dry up commensurately with the decline in her SMV.

Bonus: No kidding a girl that was a secretary at my job had a proposal party, an engagement party, three wedding showers, an obviously super expensive wedding, the reception, and a party when they came back from the honeymoon. Yeah, she's a needy one.

[–]1nzgs 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Women never stop competing for chads. The search for beta providership is separate from the search for sexual satisfaction. A woman can't fuck a house.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

True, but it's important to realize that while the search for Chad is constant, the search for Beta Bob is not, and important to understand why.

[–]zephyrprime 10 points11 points  (14 children)

Yeah it's true. Even very unattractive women get a lot of messages on sites like OKC. I was quite surprised to see it in real life from my friend's ex-gf after they broke up. She's very obese but still had tons of guys chasing her and got dates easily.

[–]RealRational 25 points26 points  (13 children)

She's very obese but still had tons of guys chasing her and got dates easily

This disturbs me on several levels. They cannot seriously be that thirsty?

[–]The1WhoCsAll 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Never doubt the thirst of a dying man in the desert

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Ohhh, yes they are. It's embarrassing really. Women can get sex no matter how ugly she is, she won't get quality men of course, but sex is guaranteed. Betas do a lot of cringeworthy shit like orbit chicks in Facebook comments giving compliments etc, something me and you would probably never do.

Don't ever underestimate the blue pill, shit is more potent than TRP and makes men do crazy things without even realizing it.

[–]bornredd 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Had a roommate who was a chubby chaser. They're out there, and they love the fatties.

[–]Docbear64 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think a chubby chaser is better than these guys, at least a chubby chaser has a type he is attracted to. These guys are just happy to stick their dick in ANYTHING

[–]corsega 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yup: http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/09/tinder-taught-me-that-plus-size-is-a-fetish.html

Can't find it now but there was also a misc thread where a guy put up a photo of a whale and posted the messages

[–]1Soarinc 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I'm also highly disturbed by this as well. Isn't porn a better option at that point?

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your post made me laugh out fucking loud.

[–][deleted] 100 points101 points  (24 children)

Women lack the ability to be introspective, so I doubt she'll realize anything. It's more likely she'll just blame society and patriarchy, about why real men don't appreciate strong and independent women.

Spoiler alert, real men enjoy young pussies.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse_ 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Women lack the ability to be introspective

It's so true and it really blows my mind how consistently women decide that everything is someone else's fault.

For the past 10 years she's failed to secure commitment? Clearly all men are douchebags.

The rationalizations and logical acrobatics they perform to reach these conclusions are just so incredible. If this sort of pseudothought came from a man, we'd think he was retarded.

Hardly ever do you see a woman genuinely own her shit.

[–]Wycked_x 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not once have they ever owned up to anything, not even the fact that they poop.

[–]JohnnySkidmarx 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Your spoiler alert is so true.

[–]darkrood 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I thought some poster mention the OP to be doctor, so she probably has her own 401k?

Blah, what was I saying? She wants to snatch that Chad, plain and simple.

[–]PM_Me_Your_Rabbits 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lol I think he got confused because her location says MD

[–]Wanderbrew 76 points77 points  (19 children)

Interesting note...I often find that older women (26 up) on dating apps almost always have somewhat unwelcoming bios. Even if you like what you see at first, you'll like run into a "not looking for hookups, please grow up if that's all you want" etc sort of preemptively shaming you for finding her attractive and wanting to sleep w her (unless you're a white knight who would never dream of such an act...which is what she's hoping you are. Its possibly a shit test but it's likely her time with Chads is over and she makes sure you know that). And then they're surprised when people are turned off by it, lol. Meanwhile the 22 year olds are just loving life and much more amiable and fun. They're pleasant to be around and to sleep with and hopefully don't have a kid or other baggage that the OP's last decade of the carousel accumulated. BTW, it's true you sometimes find young girls with the "no hookup" bio, but I find its usually clearly split into landwhales who you wouldnt spear anyway. Then there are the girls who are only in it for attention or to find some orbiters. But there are a lot of them that just wanna meet a chad without any one else knowing. Anyway...point is this is gonna be a self propelling cycle of loneliness and bitterness for her. Hope she can work something better out.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse_ 22 points23 points  (1 child)

not looking for hookups

This is sign #1 that your attempt to hook up with her is going to be a smashing success.

her time with Chads is over

Heh, no it's not. She'd prefer you thought that, but when she's talking to her girlfriends or writing online a very different picture emerges.

[–]1theoctopuss 36 points37 points  (0 children)

She's trying to put value on something which has none. Her pussy is used up after doezens, maybe hundreds, of dicks and a few kids. Little does she know that no man she considers worth her time would stick around longer than a couple romps.

[–]maniclurker 21 points22 points  (7 children)

In my area, even the younger women frequently have kids. Single moms all over the place.

Fuck the bible belt.

[–]Trail_of_Jeers 17 points18 points  (2 children)

From your post I assume someone already is.

[–]maniclurker 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I feel like this could be made into a song somehow.

Fucking around the bible belt...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not just the bible belt. Single motherhood is on the rise everywhere. In British Columbia, Canada 1 in 5 children are below in poverty line, 80% of these are single parent homes (90% single mother). This doesn't include those above the poverty line. Estimates put 25% of children are raised by a single parent mostly single women.


[–]fearl3ss 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I see nothing wrong with fucking women with kids. As long as you don't meet the kids and you use protection, there's no problem on my end.

[–][deleted] 22 points22 points

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[–]maniclurker 7 points8 points  (0 children)

While what you say is true, his point is that you ignore the agenda. Don't offer an opportunity to let her net you.

I think that is one of the fundamental pillars of TRP. Be cognizant of the circumstances. Make decisions that most aligns with your ideals.

[–]Mudpielol 3 points4 points  (0 children)

not looking for hookups

might be ASD, or a shit test upfront :). But I see what you mean.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Since we can assume that all women get hookup proposals and only a tiny minority is actually looking for them (because a woman who does doesn't need the internet for that), the line "not looking for hookups" can mean one of two things:

If she looks shy and slightly demure and her wording indicates that she's sincerely appalled by the suggestion, odds are that she is fed up with all these approaches and just wants to signal that she's not available for this.

If she looks on some level basic and slutty and her tone is more pissed than indignant, odds are that she's the type who has already made some bad experiences with guys who would bed her but weren't available for anything serious.

Of course, there are also those women who honestly admit that their time for "exploring" is over and that they're "different" now, which is actually refreshing.

[–]jm51 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Some years ago I was lurking on the POF forum. One thread was about players and how women could avoid them.

A player relied 'It is relatively easy to open the slot of any woman that posts 'No Players'. He went on to explain that players know how to avoid giving out red flags and most of the genuine (as in actually looking for romance) guys don't. So the genuine guys get rejected for red flags and the HBs end up with player after player.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I once came to the conclusion that most young woman will be incredibly turned off from a guy who will actually commit himself to her. Like the sort of dude who would actually do such a thing is incredibly unattractive. Her radar prevents her 22 year old self from getting the guys that her 45 year old self will actually want to be married to.

These young chicks assume that dudes who are nervous or are not used to dating a lot of chicks and know all the moves are somehow total creeps. The players of the world don't come off as creeps. They are incredibly skilled at doing this. The guys who are the polar opposite of players and who will likely commit fairly easy will come off as creepy.

[–]AutisticusMaximus 66 points67 points  (2 children)

I just get a tinge of jealousy, being like hey GIVE ME A SHOT.

Just remember, 10 years ago, when you were in the position to choose, what would you say to a shy, timid guy your own age that would ask you to just give him a chance.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Depends on how many of her female friends are around. The more there are, the more humiliating rejection you get.

[–]blue_dover 346 points346 points [recovered]

Now she knows how men from 18-27 feel

[–]Wassauce_Farooq 255 points256 points  (83 children)

More so from 13-27.

Can you believe that? 14 years of involuntary celibacy. But god forbid if you ever complain about the gender INEQUALITY at that early age.

Us men start at the literal bottom of the food chain and have to work our way up without being told the rules of the game or how to play.

[–][deleted] 125 points126 points  (17 children)

Involuntary celibacy makes life so incredibly miserable, but you're not allowed to complain, you fucking creep!

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (10 children)

Incels build their own prisons.

Is their really some kind of ancient logic that needs to be decoded to figure out that girls like to fuck muscular jock dudes and bad boys instead of spineless anime fanboy nerds who play xbox all day and are out of shape/chubby/obese?

These guys shouldn't complain. They should get off their ass and hit the gym, go running, go for a bike ride, ANYTHING! whining and begging for sex in a droopy the dog voice is fucking beyond pathetic.

I get it, not getting laid sucks. Feeling ugly and unattractive sucks, but it's the individual's responsibility to do something about that. Not whine about "fat girls get laid how come a fat guy like me can't?".

The faster a person stops whining, accepts their situation, and does something about it, the faster they'll become a happier person.

[–]hawkeaglejesus 17 points18 points  (2 children)

If every boy was taught this along with sex ed it would not be a problem, but we live in the world of the Female Imperative and the Disney fantasy.

From the day we are born men are indoctrinated to believe that our natural instincts are wrong. We are led astray at every single opportunity by women who are supposed to care about us. Our mothers/teachers/"friends" do not care. Their mission is to turn you into the perfect Beta Bux.

I get it, not getting laid sucks.

What, you only care about sex? Typical asshole man.

Feeling ugly and unattractive sucks

Why are you so shallow and vain?

but it's the individual's responsibility to do something about that.

But you're such a nice guy. Just be yourself and eventually the right girl will come along. Someone who will appreciate you for who you really are.

[–]Nullberri 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Indoctrination is incredibly effective when its so pervasive, starts so early and never lets up.

There are five lights, and every white knight out there whole heatedly believes they see them.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 3 points4 points  (0 children)


When I was still at college, there was a guy in my dorm (didn't really talk with him more than once or twice, but seemed to be a decent chap): 6'6", really built, tanned etc. with a cute short curvy blonde as his GF.

Now while I was dimly aware that being lean and muscular was somewhat attractive to women (but not too much of course, since women don't really care about that anyway), this guy was actually bulky (the bulk you only get if you lift a lot or take roids); and bulky was something women didn't want. At least that's what every single woman has told me.

So I sincerely thought that this guy had gotten a hot GF not because but despite his appearance. The idea that a woman - and one who went to college FFS - could actually be into that look was so utterly alien to me that I could only think "well, nice pull, bro". Today I am more like "well, nice pull, girl".

And these are ideas I would never have gotten if women hadn't been so insistant that men only work out to impress other men but certainly not women, that gymbros are immature and shallow and juvenile and undatable, that women don't really like that look etc.

Fuck that noise.

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (2 children)

You're right about all that, the problem is that nobody is setting these kids on the right path.

They almost certainly have either a single mother or a weak submissive father. School teaches them to behave like the little girls and that acting like a boy is bad. These poor kids are raised from birth to be passive consumers, to act like women. Few break the mold, most spend their lives either alone or being cheated on.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Almost certainly. Almost. Westernized single moms screw their boys over all the time.

My mom is totally old-school Mexican. Raised 4 on her own. Taught her two boys to never take shit from women, and that men are only second to God. "Nunca seas esclavo a nadie." Translation: "Never be a slave to anyone," were words I heard all throughout my childhood/adolescence.

She also told me that a man is to never show a woman his whole heart for the woman will take advantage of this. TRP translation: Never let her think she has you locked down. Totally true.

Gotta thank Mom for the words of wisdom. Even as a little boy, she was totally right in the male development of my youth. My bro didn't learn it well though which goes to show that some boys just don't learn even with a proper instructor.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They're not my problem. If they can't get in here and realize this is how it works, so fucking what. I am not the daddy. If dad can't do it for them, well his genetic material dies with them.

Good riddance.

[–]verify_account 9 points9 points [recovered]

They're kids and the don't get good guidance as /u/abirdsword said. Yes they have to make changes but all their adults are telling them "jus be urself!"

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah but look around you, most "average men" have beer guts and dress like shit. What kind of advice are you really expecting from a guy who can't even physically take care of himself and drugs himself to the point of bloating just to "relax"? (talking about getting drunk here).

Average men don't get laid that much. Most women find average men to be unattractive.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Even if you aren't creep-shamed or shamed in general for it, you're still signaling that you're a loser. So even with the most understanding friends in the world, do. not. talk. about. it.

[–]irapejokes 12 points13 points  (3 children)

"Women don't owe you sex you cis scum!" -- feminism

[–]Eidolon3436 24 points25 points  (1 child)

"Men don't owe you children and pieces of their souls you thankless uteroids!!!" - da manosphere.

[–]bornredd 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Struggle makes the man. Succeed or don't, the world doesn't give a shit.

[–]Toastlove 42 points43 points  (3 children)

14 years of involuntary celibacy - Us men start at the literal bottom of the food chain and have to work our way up without being told the rules of the game or how to play.

Fucking hell the pity party has started early. If you strike out for 14 years you're the problem, not the game.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

The game is not fair, neither is life. You can make the best of it by being the best man you can or you can cry about it like a feminist.

Don't know why you were downvoted.

[–]Toastlove 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Because for all their mocking of sjw echo chambers people fail to see when (not always) this place is being one too.

[–]Lord_NShYH 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Us men start at the literal bottom of the food chain and have to work our way up without being told the rules of the game or how to play.

Good. We are forged in adversity. Let the weak be trampled under hoof, and discarded like sub-human garbage.

[–]Thomaskingo 36 points37 points  (15 children)

Can you believe that? 14 years of involuntary celibacy. But god forbid if you ever complain about the gender INEQUALITY at that early age.

In the sexual marketplace the weak notion of INEQUALITY is the badge of honor of the omega. Women didn't want to fuck you because they weren't attracted to you because you were unattractive. Get over it and get to the gym. No woman owes you pussy.

Us men start at the literal bottom

Speak for yourself. Most guys don't swim in pussy in their teenage years, but few are involuntary celibate until they are 27.

I seriously don't understand why people up vote comments like yours. It reeks of beta frustration. To swallow the pill is to transcend that, not wallow in it.

[–]anangryterrorist 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The forst stage is always anger. We let them vent in the hopes that it will eventually lead to acceptance/transcendence.

[–]hawkeaglejesus 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Swallowing the pill isn't an overnight process. It's a great metaphor but it takes time to go from BP to RP. They're already tearing down a life time of conditioning. There's no need to tear them down while they're still trying to climb the mountain.

[–]KV-n 3 points4 points  (1 child)

from my experience as a frustrated omega, swallowing the pill is really easy because as morpheus says in the original speech, the splinter that irks the mind is already there but i couldnt exactly put my finger on it until i found TRP.

Now going from omega to at least beta - thats hard as fuck.

[–]Thomaskingo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's no need to tear them down while they're still trying to climb the mountain.

I can appreciate that, but don't you think it's kind of problem, if they metaphorically speaking only leave base camp to crawl into a nearby cave down into the ground, while presumably thinking they're climbing?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Comments like his get upvoted because this sub is full of beta frustration. There is a difference between these betas and non red pill betas though. We try, and we get better.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let them let it out. Bottling up the anger phase just leads to people who have enough frame and game to feign being an alpha but really just fuck women as a sort of way to avenge their past incel selves. They're not cool and confident, just tactically smart. They're not alpha, just pickup artists. You must let go of your anger to truly internalize TRP. Hating women for being women isn't healthy

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"It reeks of beta frustration." Quoting for emphasis. Good post

[–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 4 points5 points  (15 children)

Only about 1-in-8 guys are virgins in their early 20s and that drops to about 1-in-25 for their late 20s. Aside from these virgins, only about 5% of guys don't get laid at least once a year.

[–]Seducibledotcom 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Just because you're not a virgin doesn't mean you're not involuntarily celibate.

[–]pcadrian 13 points13 points [recovered]

Men need regular sex in order to function properly. I am talking at least weekly if single, and daily if in a relationship. Getting laid once a year? What man would be satisfied with sex once a year?

[–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

That is actually one sex partner per year. The data I was looking at didn't go into the frequency or how many times they had sex with that one partner.

Guys who think they need sex daily are obviously guys who are not having sex and don't have access to it.

So, any guy who is not having sex weekly is classified as "incel"?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Now she knows how I feel when I use Tinder.

I am 40, but I constantly get estimated for 30, and I still mostly match with women who are (way) older than me, because they have their filters set to men who are at their age or below.

No thanks. I ain't no gilf hunter.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Change age on your Facebook profile. You should start matching with younger women.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 66 points67 points  (5 children)

This is the key takeaway:

"In my 20s there were a lot of guys I could see myself dating."

"see myself dating"?

Most likely scenario is it's yet another girl who screwed above her SMV for 10 years convincing herself she could be dating the guys she 'knew'.

Once again for the record:

  • A female SMV 6 can quite easily sleep with a male SMV 9.

  • A male SMV 6 can once in a blue moon sleep with a female SMV 9.

Sadly for women, that disparity is responsible for millions and millions of false self-perceptions of female SMV. Only after the wall hits, and the SMV disparity gets even larger does the truth become painfully obvious.

[–]PaulAJK 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"In my 20s there were a lot of guys I could see myself dating." 

"see myself dating"?

Yeah, that struck me too. I think what she thought was "I'm a 6 , and could see myself dating a 7.5, but there's a hot 9 who's banging me, and I'll stick with him for a while. When I'm bored of the CC and my ovaries are calling I'll settle for one of the 7.5s"

However, she's found out she ain't a 6 anymore, the 8s and 9s aren't even noticing her, and those 7.5 have either found a better 6 to settle with, have grown fat and gross and are now 5s, or have got their sh*t together and are now banging younger 6-8s.

So those 7.5s who once swarmed arouind her no longer exist in anything like the numbers they used to.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 5 points6 points  (0 children)

But post wall women are the only ones suffering, you shitlord! After miles of cock went through her in her 20s, it suddenly stops! That's far worse than the frustrated guys in high school they used to step on!


[–]Camberlain 100 points101 points  (13 children)

men age like wine

Men only age like wine if they improve themselves.

[–][deleted] 74 points75 points  (8 children)

Men only age like wine if they improve themselves.

Wine doesn't just age by itself. Aging wine is a very disciplined process. Wine left to its own devices will spoil within a day and not even be good vinegar.

[–]Tuga_Lissabon 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Newsflash: Shit wine goes to shit fast.

Wine that ages well must start by being good wine thats properly acconditioned and finds its way into a proper place where it can age properly.

To put it another way: to age gracefully you must start young and maintain it (proper wine-making, bad one will spoil). Also get a good job and money cause that's going to help you keep yourself trim and proper (good bottle and cork + expense of keeping in cellar).

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Interesting point. I didn't know that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Otherwise they turn to vinegar

[–]Trail_of_Jeers 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but even vinegar has more use than spoilt milk.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Unless you're hideous or have a shit job, you're gonna get some attention.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (4 children)

Your whole rant about "how women behave in their teens and 20s" has me laughing pretty hard. I had a plate who was 32 years old who I just soft nexted last week. Now, she was very attractive for a 32 year old; yoga instructor, C cups, decent face, a solid 7, but she was so used to punching out of her league that despite being 32 and attractive, she was single. After we'd fuck she'd always talk about guys she used to date. They were all insanely successful. She was from a very connected family, and she often met lawyers living in luxury apartments in Manhattan, business owners with millions to their name, etc... She always found some way to disparage them, despite not being particularly successful herself. Her latest ex, a consultant making $200K+ at 35, was "a man child" whatever that means. Others had left her because... well they could. They were millionaires and there was a world of women out there who were more attractive and less picky and judgmental.

Now, you could tell in the back of her mind that she was freaked out about not having a marriage prospect yet, but she did nothing about it. She fucked me weekly for 6 months, claiming, "I'm only using you for your body and your dick," on a fairly regular basis. She knew I was fucking other people, but continued to fuck me exclusively. I almost started feeling guilty towards the end because I know she's basically got no chance of getting the children I know she wants now. Multiple times she got frustrated and said things like, "why can't you be 10 years older and done with school?" (I'm 24 btw). It took every bit of willpower I had to not come back with, "If I were you know I wouldn't actually date you, right?"

After that experience I basically have no sympathy for the post wall woman. See the thing is, the wall isn't actually about men having an advantage in dating. It's about women having less of an advantage than they usually do, and thus getting frustrated. It's also about that biological clock and the sudden realization that guys who give her dick =/= guys who will give her kids. My plate had more than a few very high quality guys she could've landed, but instead she decided they weren't good enough and then wasted 6 months fucking a 24 year old because he looks good naked.

[–]JackGetsIt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

and then wasted 6 months fucking a 24 year old because he looks good naked.

It's just too difficult to recognize the truth that she's past the wall. It's easier to continue riding the cock carousel. It's just a self delusion. Or maybe she is aware of it and doesn't care, that's still bizarre as well.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 108 points109 points  (45 children)

40's is even better...and believe it or not youngsters, 50's rocks. Just keep your body and style together and you can pull women from 20-40. I do. You can too.

[–]HughMannity 47 points48 points  (30 children)

Well done, young feller, I'm sixty with everything working fine, & no shortage of young pussy. And bloody Mick Jaggers 72, fuck him, Just kiddin Mick, you're awesome.

[–]Hang10Dude 18 points19 points  (18 children)

Could you elaborate on how you are pulling young girls even in your sixties? This topic is the only reason I read TRP. Nothing else here interests me except being able to have young women in my life indefinately.

[–]kraken9911 34 points35 points  (8 children)

Be sixty and pulling social security.

move to the Philippines and be richer than pretty much everyone if you draw $1000 a month in ss benefits. Take your pick of any 20 something that isnt from a rich family. I see this every day. socially acceptable here.

[–]MarinTaranu 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Yeah, plenty of pussy in the P's but, sorry to say, $1,000 a month is living at the edge. Angeles City and Olangapo, both north from Manila, are reputed for loose girls. But in other places, it's not so easy and women are not that pretty (I found that as I get older, my standards increased). And the whole environment here in the P's makes me quite depressed.

[–]kraken9911 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Nah I'd avoid Luzon altogether especially those areas. Too many expats and too many people that know everything they need to know about you to take advantage.

I live down in the southern visayas region where it's chill and not ungodly crowded in a minor city.

My two story two bedroom apartment costs me $230 a month and utilities/cellphone/internet brings my TOTAL monthly living expenses (not including food) to $300 roughly. That leaves me $1300 more or less as discretionary funds from my monthly pay. I live quite nicely and I don't budget so tightly for day to day living and entertainment.

On the flipside you're right. Being here can be very depressing at times. I can live high and mighty but I don't and I could get laid every night with a different girl but I don't. It gets tiring and old. I'm in semi-monk mode currently.

[–]Seducibledotcom 8 points9 points  (0 children)

But what about us, we won't have SS when we're sixty lol.

[–]MarinTaranu 6 points7 points  (5 children)

One word - get on Metformin by the age of 50, you'll probably achieve 100 easy. (Metformin is a cheap drug recommended for diabetics but it was found to have very powerful life-extension properties - rats treated with Metformin lived on the average, the equivalent of 120 human years, with less cancers and much improved quality of life.) To that, I would add one aspirin a day.

[–]VancouverSucks 1 point2 points  (5 children)

how old are the girl mick jaggers fucking?

[–]jm51 2 points3 points  (2 children)

A spokesman confirmed that the singer's girlfriend, 29-year-old American ballerina Melanie Hamrick, is pregnant. Sir Mick, 72, already has seven children whose ages range from 17 to 45 and he became a great-grandfather last year.


[–]VancouverSucks 2 points3 points  (1 child)

a 29 year old American ballerina.Nice. So Mick uses the half your age minus 7 rule I see.

[–]Tarnsman4Life 3 points4 points  (2 children)

My father may have been a terrible dad but the one good example he did set is being able to pull good looking trim well into his 50's. Nothing like your dad introducing you at age 10 to his 20 year old girlfriend, when he is 45.

[–]Hang10Dude 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Okay, as a 27 year old, I'm already starting to enjoy the benefits of dating younger women....

But are you telling me that you're still a rockstar in your 50's? If so, how? Details would be amazing. I would definately read and upvote a post about this.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I'm 57 and am currently with two plates, 31 and 23. It's all in the attitude. Of course, they both have "Daddy issues" and the younger of the two calls me "Daddy" but hey, it works for me. I have a paternal bent and abhor women trying to dominate me. (Women my age do not attract me in the slightest, sorry ladies.) The hardest part is to remember NOT to worship them...lol. My nature is to be "nice" and loving and sweet and romantic and...getting the picture? BETA! As I learn proper female handling here at TRP, I am better able to keep them wanting more of me. It's work but the results are worth every moment of focus and personal change. The result if I slip into "nice guy" mode? Adios hotties! Hello achey heart!

[–]rot_barth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gotta love girls with daddy issues. 1. Were your parents divorced? Check. 2. Raised by a single mom? Check 3. How is your relationship with your father? Check. 4. Want to come back to my place? Check.

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag 1 point2 points  (2 children)

do you also drive an S class benz?

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I wish. I have pocket and date money but my current plates (31 and 23) are not in it for my money. In fact the elder of the two often splits the check/cost of our outings. It's all in the attitude.

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

splitting of the checks is nice. fortunately, most of the women i've been with always offered to split and most insisted on it.

[–]aanarchist 28 points29 points  (0 children)

just give me a chance she says. hey lady, remember when guys said that and you made fun of them for being losers? how's that karma feel?

[–][deleted] 101 points102 points  (13 children)

In their 20's they've got options.

In their 30's they're desperate.

In their 40's they're on sale.

In their 50's nobody wants them.

Life isn't fair. But it's worse that the zeitgeist is thoroughly hellbent to lie to women 100% of the time in every movie, TV show, website, magazine, and op-ed. The more men that go red pill, the more women are (theoretically) going to recognize they've been sold out by feminism, the media, the zeitgeist, their parents, their teachers, their schools, and their religion. By theoretically, I guess probably most will sit in DENIAL river until they die. Simply because it might be more comfortable. I mean that's what a lot of the feminist-ish junk subreddits like Okc, TBP, etc are all about. The DENIAL river.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In their 60's they start slut shaming all women under 50.

In their 70's they admit they finally admit the number of men they fucked on the sly.

[–]rot_barth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From a interview in a magazine on dating: Q: What is it like as a woman in your 50's? A: You're invisible.

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (9 children)

That thread is just gold in regards to the butthurt and how they think men dating younger is "pathetic." Too funny.

[–]1RPAlternate42 78 points79 points  (8 children)

Men Dating Younger = "Pathetic"

Women dating older = "The way it's supposed to be."

This is brought to you solipsism. Solipsism: Reality is what you make it.

[–]maniclurker 16 points17 points  (7 children)

To be fair to solipsism, your own mind is really the only thing you can know to be real. The crazy thing is, how much of our own memory can be trusted? Psychological science has shown that we can and do modify memories involuntarily.

This existence is so fucking weird when you really contemplate it.

[–]1RPAlternate42 18 points19 points  (1 child)

A very Cartesian view of reality... perhaps even Platonic, however in the scope of social dealings, I think solipsism is that self-involved reality you believe exists framed as an opinion to suit your feelings... not a belief based in objective reality.

We, and even other women might go, "oh honey... you were dating older guys at their age too"; we all see option 2: women date older and it's normal... she sees it as the other way around: men date younger and it's pathetic.

See, the first is a fact: women date older.

The second is an opinion: men dating younger is pathetic.

She'd never say: women dating older guys is pathetic because Aristotelian logic makes her think: If women dating older is pathetic, and I'm a woman, I must be pathetic too.

She can't face that reality, so she frames it as men are the subject, objectifying women.

That's the basis of solipsism here.

However, even if she does accept that she is pathetic, she would just immediately just say, but I've changed now... that was in the past...

[–]maniclurker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh, no qualms with your original statement. I just was making some off topic observations.

[–]1kick6 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Solipsism is a concept that should die at about age 5. You can't be an adult, and think all the other people you interact with aren't real and are only figments your imagination invented to entertain you.

[–]FUCK_YEA_GLITTER 13 points14 points  (0 children)

You see a guy that checks all of your boxes, only to find out he only dates women in their 20s :(

Isn't this the sign telling you that your standards are too high? That you can't really pull this type of man anymore? If these guys are pulling young and attractive women because they can, what do you think that means for the jealous 33y/o?

[–]F_Dingo 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I just get a tinge of jealousy, being like hey GIVE ME A SHOT.




"Give me a shot!"

Yeah lady, thousands of guys just wanted a shot with women the same age as they were in their 20s and guess what happened to them? TURNED DOWN AND R E J E C T E D!

Hope she likes cats, the train for catville leaves at 12.

[–]bokehnikon 39 points40 points  (9 children)

Hamstering gold from a response to that sub-reddit OP: "The 40-year-olds are at a mid-life crisis and want a 23-year-old that will spend all their money."

[–]JohnnySkidmarx 36 points37 points  (1 child)

I'll let the 23 year old hardbody fit babe spend my money over a 37 year old chubby and saggy woman who bitches and complains all the time because she is past the child-bearing age.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse_ 20 points21 points  (1 child)

One guy on the post has a great comment, though.

Along the lines of "If the 30 year old is going to give me the same bullshit and drama as the 20 year old, I'll just take the 20 year old."

Hats off to that beautiful bastard.

[–]harsha_hs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

30 year old will give more drama than 20 year old

[–]GC0W30 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Speaking as the old guy in that equation, I'd rather have a 23-year-old spendng it in exchange for what she sits on than have a 40-year-old spending it.

IRL, though, the last 26-year-old I fucked on a first date went dutch on everything except for the condoms...

[–]The1WhoCsAll 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Younger women often feel they need to prove their maturity to an older man, so you see a lot more composure than a woman from your peer group

[–]Tuga_Lissabon 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Lemme finish her sentence: "The 40-year-olds are at a mid-life crisis and want a 23-year-old that will spend all their money instead of a 40 year old who knows how to spend it properly. The bastards."

[–]esperanzablanca 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"The 40-year-olds are at a mid-life crisis and want a 23-year-old that will spend my disposable money."

A 20-something is a accessory for my entertainment. I prefer to spend money on that sweet ass that in some old hag that will only nag me. Like I prefer to spend money on accessories for my Harley and my sport car. I spend when I want, because I can. But Im not spending on her, or the car, Im spending on MY own enjoyment. They are all accessories for my fun. When I dont feel like spending, I dont.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any woman of any age can spend all of your money. 13, 15, 25, 45, 60. They are all equally capable.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The saddest part about this, is if OP just stayed in good shape/exercised, knew how to cook well, fucks enthusiastically, and exhibited good mothering traits.. This post wouldn't even exist.

How can we expect that from her though with all the AA handicaps and babying. The world panders to women and doesn't create incentive for them to earn anything. Of course they're going to be washed up by 30 something if they're not putting in effort, just like an obese neck beard who sits in his room jerking off, playing video games, and living off his parents or government disability.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Dating for me as I have gotten older has gotten a lot more difficult

Yeah, in the same way that it was difficult for me when I was young, partly because women lied to me about what they wanted (in order to exploit me for attention and resources) and partly because I was competing with older, richer, more experienced men.

Now that I'm an older, richer, more experienced myself man I am supposed to turn down my fair share of young hotties in favour of some bitter older women who wants to tie down my current and future resources with a legally enforced contract and baby obligation? They must be insane if they think that's gonna swing.


What... in the same way that I was given a shot when I was in my 20's with girls of my own age? Weird, I don't remember being given a shot at all.

The whole game was designed by women for women... I've no sympathy when it happens not to work out for some of them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I can't believe women don't hear what they are actually saying half the time. I bet they do but since women have different morals or non at all, they don't care about what they are doing. It just goes to show you what they are. It's like a bank robber coming back to a bank after robbing it and demanding a loan from them, it's that fucking retarded when they talk about relationships post wall, my god!

[–]NeoreactionSafe 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Generally it's assumed that a guy dates a woman about 5-15 years younger depending on his age.

This has always been true and will continue to be true.

Only when both are themselves young (20 years old plus or minus) are the ages similiar.

It only gets "shocking" when the age difference is 20 years or more because the women becomes young enough to be the man's daughter.

Fertility Rating:


  • 15 - 30 years old ---> From 100% down to 50%

  • 30 - 45 years old ---> From 50% down to 0%


The Wall represents the fact that roughly half a woman's fertility is gone.


It's the female biological clock.

Nature does not like what Feminism is doing to fertility.

The Wall is the "50% Off Discount Sale" for items that didn't sell.


[–]pcadrian 17 points17 points [recovered]

A text from a soon to be 30 year old I received yesterday (I'm 28). To put some context, dated this chick back in winter for less than 2 months. Then dated a 21 year old chick with whom things ended last week. The older chick sees an opportunity and swoops in:

Why would you just rather chance 21 year old little girls with a princess complex who have no clue what they want and won't for years (...)

You're making a mistake pcadrian. We still have it you just can't see it because u complicated everything by moving to the next so fast

You are the man for me. I don't want to be with another man. I'm done. Men aren't like you anymore. You know that. I'd have more luck getting struck by lightning than finding a man id ever love again.

Sigh... I feel like a Tai Chi practitioner dodging these attempts. Women 30+ can't stand the sight of men in their age group dating younger women. Will bring an entire emotional storm to reel you back in. Don't let the beta take over!

Funny thing is, I remember her saying once that she finds dating men over 33 disgusting.

[–]jeezydasnowman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Text her that I dare ya lol

[–]NeverDieAlone 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Men age like wine, women age like milk. This is what I call "success shaming".

I wouldn't be surprised if feminists tried to make it illegal for men to date women younger than themselves in the near future.

[–]Specter242 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if feminists tried to make it illegal for men to date women younger than themselves in the near future.

Don't put that thought in my head mate :(

[–]hawkeaglejesus 6 points7 points  (1 child)

the pool of guys that don't have children/have a steady job/looking for a relationship is just so slim

Female solipsism. "There's nothing wrong with me, it's the lack of men that's the problem!"

When the truth is there are plenty of men like that. You're just undesireable to them. Why would I want a moldy loaf of bread that's been on the shelf for 15 years when there's a fresh batch coming out of the bakery every single day?

Their fragile egos cannot accept the fact that they're no longer the choosers.

[–]Five_Decades 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any man who can pass the checklist of traits that women in their 30s and 40s have to determine if a man is good enough for them is a man who can do far better than those women. Women never seem to figure this out. If he is 'good enough' for the modern middle aged women, he probably has options with women who are younger, prettier, thinner, nicer, better educated and childless.

Its like if I were high school educated with a below average work ethic but wanted a job that paid 100k and offered 8 weeks of vacation. Jobs like that exist, they are rare, and people far more qualified and desirable as employees than I end up getting them.

[–]ghostbrainalpha 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I love the third top comment.

"Bitch get in line, just date men in their 40's"

Life could still be easy as fuck for this woman if she could curb her ever increasing expectations.

I bet those 40 year olds were awesome to date when you were 18, and they were 28.

[–]irapejokes 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Holy Jesus Christ the whiteknighting in that thread.

[–]Tarnsman4Life 6 points7 points  (1 child)

"Date me, I am 36 and like women my own age" ....and I work at starbucks and I am 50 lbs overweight with balding greasy hair.

The thirst is real

[–]YourDreamsWillTell 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Jealous broads don't recognize the reality that we will be smashing young pussy long after they've hit their prime. Honestly, I believe this is the trade off counteracting the ease with which women can obtain sex in their youth. Of course, these are just generalities.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

This is something all women know. They talk about it. They will never admit it's jealousy.

It's not a lack of self awareness.. it's intentional deception.

But... some people say suspect ignorance before malice. But I'm fresh out of benefit of the doubt's to give.

[–]JackGetsIt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think it's just plain safer to assume malice before ignorance. It will protect you from getting fucked over.

[–]Canttakethewhyfromme 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"In my twenties, there were lots of guys I could see myself dating". I'm sure many of those guys were in their 30s and wasn't an issue for her. LOL - female logic.

[–]1WeedDaddy 39 points40 points  (25 children)

If you stay healthy and play your cards right, 30s is an amazing time to slay pussy and meet quality girls

Your competition are not other 30-somethings but the frat bros and other popular young men. If you didn't compare to them in your 20's, you're even less likely to do so in your 30's.

Where are the "quality girls" going to come from? They are the late teens and early 20's women who are already tightly locked in social circles of their age-matched male peers.

There's a lot of unfounded optimism, a version of the Just World fallacy where your tribulations would be rewarded in old age. A 30+ y.o. man is going to need much more than muscles and a middle-class income to fuck young attractive women.

[–]trippinallday 37 points38 points  (14 children)

Chicks very clearly dig older dudes, and dudes very clearly dig younger chicks. Yeah the social aspect might be hard, but once she can drink legally and she's having a girls night out at the bar every weekend, it isn't that difficult. Chicks want men, not boys, so when it's between some scrawny broke 18 year old and a ripped 30 year old who's got cash, you know who she's gonna pick.

[–]helpicantstop 33 points34 points  (7 children)

quality women

hanging out at bars with the girls

Absolutely and forever only pick one

[–]trippinallday 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Depends on what the quality is for. Maybe not if you're looking to wife her up but in terms of sex it's another story.

[–]helpicantstop 4 points5 points  (5 children)

No one ever described a quality woman as one who was easy to bang though. Those are two completely different things.

[–]trippinallday 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Obviously the bar example was just that, an example, and you chose to zone in on the inherent flaws with said example.

Let me ask you this, do you think the quality women are going to be shooting for frat bros or older, fitter, richer guys who have their shit together?

[–]FairlyNaive 6 points7 points  (5 children)

3-5 years older, not 13-15 usually. And not all 20 year old dudes are fat and broke btw.

[–]trippinallday 11 points12 points  (3 children)

When I was a kid I knew girls at 13 dating 18-19 year old guys. Obviously any dating at 13 isn't remotely serious but even though that's only 5/6 years difference at that age it's pretty significant. Once they hit 21 age is relatively much less of an issue, and certainly less than the aforementioned example even if they are 15 years apart.

I'm very aware that not every single dude ever in the world at 20 is gonna be fat (I said scrawny???) and broke, I made a generalization. However, a large majority of guys at 20 are certainly going to be unfit and broke. They just got out of high school, they're barely post-puberty, and they're probably in college, so money is not going to be abundant and their body hasn't been at a point for very long where they can get a huge chest and a nice V shape and such. Most of them are still trying to figure their lives out so most of them probably haven't been working out and eating proper. Someone at 30 however has had more time to get their shit together, and provided they've been working hard on themselves and their careers, are going to be leaps and bounds ahead of a 20 year old, not to mention the fact that they're a little older.

Who's gonna give her the tingles, some alcoholic college bro or Mr. Grey?

[–]FairlyNaive 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yes, if you outclass all her peers by a huge margin in every way possible you will succed, but that would be despite your age, not because of it. And Mr. Grey is 27 btw.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

A 30+ y.o. man is going to need much more than muscles and a middle-class income to fuck young attractive women.

I'm 30, have neither of those things, and regularly see girls 18-21.

[–]timpham 2 points3 points  (3 children)

How do you manage to meet those girls?

[–]Ifuckinglovepron 9 points10 points  (1 child)

As a guy in my 30's: What I may lack in looks and youth against 20 year old frat bros is pretty easily made up for by experience, game, and ability to do things. (Like knowing places to go to for a good time that are not limited to "my parents beach house but dont touch the good liquor. Women crave NEW experiences.)

Sure you gotta accept that you aren't gonna win every young chick, but it is usually the slightly shyer more prudish ones ( prudish among her slut peers I.e. Higher quality) that are more interested in older men.

Also I am probably in better physical shape now than in my 20's and look younger than I am so YMMV.

Also if you are just looking for a plate it is way easier since you just accept she is ALSO fucking those young frat bros, but if you cant get past that idea, well go back to learning AWALT.

[–]FreeRadical5 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What I may lack in looks and youth

The decline should've been negligible so far if you've been taking care of your health. You have to realize, women dig mature "handsome" looks much more than youthful fresh cuteness. That's a trait men value much much more heavily for obvious biological reasons.

As a guy in his late 20s who has always been complimented on his looks, people closest to me (family, parents, etc) seem to think I used to look cuter but the attention from girls in their prime (18-25) has gone through the roof over the last few years as my looks have matured a bit.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

These posts are always absolutely fantastic. Nature can sometimes be karma incarnate.

[–]PabloEscoba 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is what chasing tingles does to women. They literally ruin their own lives and only wake up when its too late and STILL keep doing things that wont help their cause.. "We cant heeelp who we are attractteeed tooooo!!! mweeeeeeee"

[–]HandsomeCub 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"30s is a good time to slay pussy"

FUCK YA! I feel like i missed out in my 20s. How weird is it though to go out clubbing and bar hopping in your 30s though?

[–]MyLittleAtomBomb 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If she doesn't offer the kitten don't buy the cat.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Fucking funny right. When men were in their early teens it were always the women dating older guys. I know tons of girls my age that have dated and still date older. This one year in high school virtually any girl in my class had a much older boyfriend. All the chicks were getting laid and all the guys were drooling, getting none. Being 16-18 as a guy leaves little wiggle room to date younger girls. So you're basically sitting dry while your female friends are building up sexual experience.

And now that the tables have been reversed and these young girls are doing the exact same shit they themselves were doing in their youth. Now these old hags get upset. Not even realizing the irony. Fucking funny.

[–]maniclurker 2 points3 points  (9 children)

On the subject of paying for dates...

I've recently moved out of the traditional mindset of paying for dates. Obvious reasons should be obvious. I'm just not sure how to breach the subject with ladies before going out.

Any suggestions?

[–]The1WhoCsAll 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Yes. Pay for the first date. Make it a cheap one. A day date for ice cream and a walk thru the park to hang outside and talk and watch dogs playing and shit. U know the setting. Next date, invite her over for dinner at your place. If she pulls back because she doesn't want to go to your place yet, then go out where she wants to go... But when the bill comes you go Dutch. If she leaves because of this, then she was an entitled brat who was going to be a problem down the road anyways. If she asks why she should pay on a date tell her "I enjoy spending time with you, so I don't mind spending money on occasion to do so. Are you saying I'm not worth the same thing to you?"

[–]Limekill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just don't go to restaurants.

Drinks date first, then coffee date, etc.

If she wants to go to restaurant just tell her that you go dutch, if shes into you she will not care.

[–]esperanzablanca 3 points4 points  (1 child)

invite her to your place, cook yourself, have some wine... WIN

[–]Fnaut3187 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Guys, I suggest you take a look at comments in the okcupid thread. It's really funny!

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

like I've told young angry men on here - dating, and life in general, isn't fair

Maybe not, but karma is real. The fact that guys peak in SMV when they're older is sweet revenge on all the women that passed them over when they rode the CC in their 20s. Nothing gets women more angry than seeing the guys they want dating a younger, hotter version of themselves.

[–]AnonymousAndLovinIt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Nah. I don't feel sorry for any postwall woman "

I have to say I do. They've been brainwashed, the only chance they had was to be raised in a sort of "traditional" family. Like the BPers and betas.

[–]Sicci 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Well, remember when us men where 16-20 and the "high-end" girls were only dating 27+ years old guys ? Yeah, suck it.

[–]frankiejholden 3 points4 points  (1 child)

30+ can be a lot of fun for guys if they look after themselves and have managed to progress in their chosen career.

However even sex with randoms can get boring after a while. Not to say you should shack up with anyone. However much can be said for a man who, by 30, has found his mission in life and is diligently working towards it. There's gotta be something more, cause shit gets empty.

[–]JackGetsIt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

cause shit gets empty

This. Even with good progress on life missions you can get bored with random sex. There's no shame in seeking an LTR if that's what floats your boat. Personally I'm on plate spinning mode but I don't shame men that seek LTR's; I just advise them to choose wisely who they LTR.

[–]Steve_Wiener 1 point2 points  (0 children)


being on top of the game from 16-28 isn't enough I guess

[–]ecosci 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The tidal wave is coming and it will drown all these used up sluts because society has gave men a peek at how women work we have to be thankful for feminism because the laws of marriage are not hidden from us they have been trying to tell us themselves stop marrying women, she will cheat and get rewarded you dumb ass but men dont listen and the state takes advantage of blue pill men who didnt wake up soon enough ltr will be a thing of the past which will cause women to use logic to survive but its too late men always evolve but i think big daddy punishes men for the sake of helping us, guys have to be smarter and dont save post cc riders let them drown and die please.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The funniest thing she'll hamster her way out of taking accountability for her problems. Nothing to see here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The battle of the sexes is over.. We both loss, although we can enjoy the benefits of getting laid frequently if we put in the work.. Which the redpill is a great place to get the blueprints..

However, if you want to get married and have a family, as men we are at a huge disadvantage. If your main goal is just having sex with attractive women, there really isn't a better time culturally, also the huge advantage technologically.

[–]summersss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here's the thing. Yes the women post wall, are the girls that rejected but the younger girls that you are now able to date, are still those same girls. Its kinda depressing.

[–]Dean_Winchester36 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Funny. A lot of the guys Im into are in their mid 30s. Thats a 15 year age difference

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