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Summary: Women cannot handle the Wall. It hits them at breakneck speed, shattering all of their bones and emotions. If you want a quick lay, these women are the best because they're so desperate..

Full thread here from okcupid subreddit.

The wall is a well-known concept here but I wanted to present firsthand evidence just for any doubters out there. This evidence is surprisingly from the OKCupid sub, which is usually a feminist infested sub where everyone has their head in the sand pretending that the world is a lovely egalitarian place. But today a 33-yo woman posted whining about not being desirable anymore. I'll dissect her post here...

(33f Annapolis, MD)

Oh boy. This goin' be good.

I know this isn't a rational feeling, but whenever I see a guy in his 30s or so dating a woman that is significantly younger +5 years or so I get upset.

TRP lesson #1: women are incredibly jealous of each other! Notice how the postwall OP is legitimately emotionally upset at seeing men being taken by younger, hotter girls. Entitled much?

Dating for me as I have gotten older has gotten a lot more difficult. In my 20s there were a lot of guys I could see myself dating. As I have gotten older, the pool of guys that don't have children/have a steady job/looking for a relationship is just so slim.

"a lot of guys I could see myself dating" = "In my 20s I opened my legs for all the Bretts and Brads of the world. I even had a threesome once, it was so empowering! (Except for the ugly nerds and short guys of course, haha, but they don't count)"

"the pool of guys that don't have children/have a steady job/looking for a relationship" = "When I was younger all that mattered is how big his biceps were. But damn it, I need my beta provider to make babies for me! I need someone with a fat check and willingness to be tied down! Where did all the good men go?"

You see a guy that checks all of your boxes, only to find out he only dates women in their 20s :(. I just get a tinge of jealousy, being like hey GIVE ME A SHOT. I don't know if its insane, just my late night rant. Good night okcupid.

Hey at least she admits that it's straight-up jealousy. Self awareness like this is rare for a woman.

On one hand, you gotta feel sorry for her. 33 is basically two years from being past the medically safe age limit for pregnancy. Finding a docile beta, shackling him to marriage, and pumping out some kids seems like a tall order within two years. And to be fair she probably is legit lonely.

But... think about how women behave in their teens and 20s. Having insane height standards for men. Affirmative action in engineering/science programs to help them get in easier. Going to bars with no money in their pockets cause they know the men will buy drinks. Never paying for a date. Always receiving help when she needs it from the nearest thirsty guy. Having sex as easily available as soda from a vending machine.

Nah. I don't feel sorry for any postwall woman who finds herself in a terrible predicament after failing to lock down a quality man. She had literally a decade to do it, and instead spent that time being tag-teamed by Jorge and Raoul during spring break.

And unlike women, men age like wine. Notice how the men in her OP have their pick of the kittens in the litter. You too can become a man like this if you work out, land a good job, improve your charm, and learn some solid game.

Then women like OP will be begging to give you a blowjob, hoping it might lead to something more. The world is your oyster. Have fun with it.

TL;DR: Women hit the wall, men jump over it. If you stay healthy and play your cards right, 30s is an amazing time to slay pussy and meet quality girls. Don't let postwall women shame you into settling down with them if you don't want it.


[–][deleted] 302 points303 points  (98 children) | Copy Link

You misunderstand, she's not looking for a beta, she's still trying to compete for Chad. She's about 6-12 months away from her "epiphany" phase where she grows up and realizes biceps aren't nearly as important in a man as is a house and 401k. That's when she'll really feel the pain-when she finds out she should have realized this five years ago.

[–][deleted] 160 points161 points  (50 children) | Copy Link

This is the true wall. This is where guys who are 30-40 can really cash in hard. Guys on here act like the wall is about declining looks, but that's not it at all. No matter how bad she looks there are always a thousand thirsty betas (and a few Chads with a preference for older women) willing to fuck. Women never lose the advantage in the dating game. It gets smaller, but they keep the advantage in dating/sex forever. They lose the advantage in the commitment game, which they never had, but they never realized they didn't have.

All through their 20s they figured they could settle down at any time. They see themselves as the conquerers and think of themselves as the free spirits "manipulating hot guys and using them for sex." They assume that given their success in the dating world, they should be able to lock down a husband at any time.

Suddenly they realize a few things. First, Chad actually isn't willing to stick around. No, Chad wasn't chasing after you as you ignored his pleas to be your boyfriend. He was fucking a new girl the next weekend, or even the next day. He didn't like you that much, and he definitely doesn't want to put a baby in you. Second, their biological clock is ticking, and they need to come to terms with the rules of one-on-one pairing in dating vs. the "everyone fucks Chad and pretends he loves you" game they've been playing for the last 10 years.

So these women are in a rush. If you look like you could be "Dad" in the next 2-3 years, she'll pull out all the stops to rope you in. For most of these girls, all the stops just means sex on the first date (justified with the fact that she's a mature and responsible woman who can do whatever she wants with her sexuality). With these women, all you have to do is not fuck up. Look like the fantasy she's always dreamed of, a Chad who wants to settle down. She has no choice but to believe it's true. She wasn't imagining things. She really can have kids with Chad, he didn't just want to pump and dump. But for the love of God use protection with these women and don't come back for seconds.

[–]harsha_hs53 points54 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Quality post.

Can't stress more on below point.

But for the love of God use protection with these women and don't come back for seconds.

They can go any level to tie you up. 'I have your baby' to 'He raped me'

Thinking more: I feel, post-wall ladies are better to avoid. 20's girls are more fun to hangout with, way lesser shit-tests ,of course more attractive body and tighter pussy.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It varies. Girls in their 30s suck ass. Desperate to get a provider, want a baby in them NOW. Fuck that.

However find a girl in her 40s that looks good (not entirely easy to do, but possible), that has a decent job and just wants sex (their libido goes into overdrive) and supports herself and it can be fun when you're older.

But, finding a girl like that isn't easy, and young girls are so much easier with less drama.

[–]harsha_hs3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm just 30, nowadays I find myself only with 22-24 aged girls. I don't specifically ask their age and date them. I just go out there and have fun, hit on most lively, active and attractive girl who is fun. that's all. Serious and mature girls, I don't feel like buying food or drinks for them

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I decide if they get the chance or not, don't really care what age they are, i prefer younger girls, and 30-39 are looking for a beta bucks so they usually select themselves for the no. Around me the crazy, clingy, and addicted are the most prevalent, so a man must be discerning. I don't need crazy fucking up my life again.

[–]harsha_hs1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, when you are able to let go the hottest girl due to her craziness, you've swallowed RP

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Her hotness declines, there is always another hot one out there. A new crop turns 18 every day.

[–]Five_Decades0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Many women in their 30s have gigantic egos still.

[–]goodguy850 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

lol mate hookers are much more obedient.

[–]harsha_hs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, if you have thing for them, why not? Take penicillin shots before kissing

[–]1Original_Dankster23 points24 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

So these women are in a rush. If you look like you could be "Dad" in the next 2-3 years, she'll pull out all the stops to rope you in.

In my mid 40s. For years I've been open about my decision to not have kids, and my vasectomy. It's cost me in terms of attracting women in their early 30s.

I'm at the cusp of deciding whether I will or won't disclose that anymore. On one hand, let these women think I'll be their sperm donor. I'll pull more that way. On the other, that may come with drama that I don't want.

[–]Pinkmistiscool46 points47 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

30's male with a vasectomy and I NEVER disclose that shit. Its none of their business... "My body, my decision, yada yada!". I just can't wait for the pregnancy scare to try and lock me in.... Imma eat that shit up!!!! Lmao!

[–]okkyle16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I just can't wait for the pregnancy scare to try and lock me in.... Imma eat that shit up!!!! Lmao!

Really looking forward to this field report.

[–]Freiling5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I believe I've read one about exactly that. If true, hilarious.

[–]Gawernator0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

One guy did post that happening. Hilarious

[–]yomo860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I will happen while my story is far from being like the guy on the internet who prepped like ice cold motherfucker to stick it to the bitch who was really pregnant... go figure.

I experienced two levels of "the pregnancy talk". The litmus test 1: "I might be pregnant because I am late" which is nothing but a fishing expedition to see how you react.

And the level 2: "I am pregnant!" which is also a hoax. But this is the level of crazy you are dealing with if you at least exhibit some Chad traits and have a steady income and she is over 30.

[–]harsha_hs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It'll come for sure, I goddamn guarantee it

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you do not post a full, detailed story, then you are not doing your duty as a man.

[–]1The_BitterTruth0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is sarcasm I'm assuming?

[–]Eidolon34362 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same here. #fixedanditfeelssogood !!

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't have disclosed it! Machiavellan and all that...use hidden truths to your advantage.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why the fuck would you stick around with this type of woman long enough that you would need to disclose that? What moral obligation do you have to them also? If you wanna be moral about it and not waste her precious last few years of beta hunting, be quick about it. Don't be like me and bang for 6 months. Get in and get out. Hell, that sort of blatant rejection is often a wakeup call. I've seen women go from pumped and dumped to married to an appropriate level beta in under a year.

[–]1Original_Dankster0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

be quick about it... Get in and get out.

I think this is the right way to go for me. Thanks for the kick in the ass.

[–]Wycked_x6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You guys are all really lucky, and I hope some bitch does tell you shes pregnant so you can pull some fuckin' hilarious shit on their cheating whore-asses.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Like the famous Craigslist post where a man left a woman crying after he pulled out documented proof of his vasectomy after she tried to pull a paternity scam on him.

Fantastic.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't tell either. The girl who is lounging next to me doesn't know, but after a year of busting a nut in her without a worry, she probably is rather certain.

[–]HeatseekingLogicBomb0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Or having her fertility tested repeatedly lol

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nah she will be 45 soon, if she had no doubts about my fertility, she might consider her own. Sorbet way, it matters not. No kids from me.

[–]HeatseekingLogicBomb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I was just making a stupid joke.

[–]Capitalist_Oppressor11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"Cash in hard" is the truth.

There's a pretty big "Divorced Night" at an upscale restaurant/bar in my area. All the standard divorce decree/custody agreements in my state are boiler plate, giving the father child custody every other weekend and Wed nights. So on Wed nights a decent looking guy can walk in and have his pick of the litter. I actually had one grab my tie as I walked in and said, "Who's are you?". Really nice for a chnge. BIG fun!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Damn, that must be nice. Cougars must be on the prowl there

[–]yomo860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Calm youe expectations. 70% of the women in the US are overweight or obese.

[–]kireol19 points20 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Women never lose the advantage in the dating game.

I'm going to disagree here. Anecdotal personal account: Once I hit 30, the amount of women chasing me went up 10 fold. Things switched to them being the aggressor.

Now that I'm 45, women are so blatant about hitting on me, they do it in front of my wife. This works out well for me as my wife keeps her game strong.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm turning 25 soon and I can't wait until I'm 30 and I experience that shift. Just gotta keep myself in shape and keep making more money.

[–]LabRat3142 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah man. Keep on the gym. Keep on the career. And around the age of 29. Shit gets crazy. Source: me at age 31.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's good to hear. I also about 3-5 months ago decided to keep a short, full beard, using a beard trimmer with the 1/8 inch guard, to keep it at a shorter length. Also use a safety razor to keep it neat by the cheeks and a little above the Adam's apple. It looks better on me than clean shaven and the other positive is not getting visible razor bumps as much. Masculine, but still acceptable in the work place.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What are you disagreeing about?

[–]trancedj10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

40 year old here. Can confirm. The amount of women showing interest in me these days can be overwhelming. My main chick cannot keep her mouth off my cock. She's 30 ;)

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is very interesting-great comment.

Roosh V has written about this and it got me to thinking. I think you're both right, given the commonality of men who "marry up" or "LTR up" post-wall single moms and the low-status 5s out there. And there are a lot of those types of women by the time they reach the post-wall age category.

Except maybe the most simple, timid, and ugly women, who are the ones floating around on Tinder and dating sites and don't seem to get a man.

The average woman, I suspect, can find Joe Smith who has little minimum criteria in a woman. That's what I see sometimes when I'm out, anyway.

[–]GreatWhiteCuck0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a billion cuck simps lined up

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Suddenly they realize a few things. First, Chad actually isn't willing to stick around. No, Chad wasn't chasing after you as you ignored his pleas to be your boyfriend. He was fucking a new girl the next weekend, or even the next day. He didn't like you that much, and he definitely doesn't want to put a baby in you.

How many women that age have you heard say that their relationship was going nowhere? Nowhere means "Chad had better options." Then suddenly all of her friends start reeling in beta's, and having the bigass wedding / baby showers and she sees the validation orgy from that. There is quite a bit of social pressure from all of the girls she's competing with on this front.

So these women are in a rush.

Not to mention that many of the benefits she enjoyed, such as easy job opportunities, going out drinking for essentially free each weekend, or random guys taking care of day to day matters for her dry up commensurately with the decline in her SMV.

Bonus: No kidding a girl that was a secretary at my job had a proposal party, an engagement party, three wedding showers, an obviously super expensive wedding, the reception, and a party when they came back from the honeymoon. Yeah, she's a needy one.

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

For most of these girls, all the stops just means sex on the first date

Or like that post from yesterday, the woman proposing to the man.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Look like the fantasy she's always dreamed of, a Chad who wants to settle down. She has no choice but to believe it's true.

This is really important here - the willingness of women to ignore the fact that things may simply be too good to be true is always interesting.

Wasn't there a thread a few days ago about women being fairly realistic about the datability (or lack thereof) of jocks but nevertheless assumed that they themselves would be able to tie such a stallion down for good? That's where this is coming from.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes because things have been "too good to be true" for women most of their lives. When someone makes a fake Tinder profile with a hot woman, all the guys who match assume it's a bot. When a mediocre woman matches with a fake 10/10 model they're giving out their address and phone number in the first 10 messages. That's just how their life has been so far, why question anything?

[–]1nzgs18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women never stop competing for chads. The search for beta providership is separate from the search for sexual satisfaction. A woman can't fuck a house.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True, but it's important to realize that while the search for Chad is constant, the search for Beta Bob is not, and important to understand why.

[–]redpill_swagger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

she just gets freely fucked in "a house" by Mr beta providership..

[–]zephyrprime10 points11 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it's true. Even very unattractive women get a lot of messages on sites like OKC. I was quite surprised to see it in real life from my friend's ex-gf after they broke up. She's very obese but still had tons of guys chasing her and got dates easily.

[–]RealRational25 points26 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

She's very obese but still had tons of guys chasing her and got dates easily

This disturbs me on several levels. They cannot seriously be that thirsty?

[–]The1WhoCsAll21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Never doubt the thirst of a dying man in the desert

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ohhh, yes they are. It's embarrassing really. Women can get sex no matter how ugly she is, she won't get quality men of course, but sex is guaranteed. Betas do a lot of cringeworthy shit like orbit chicks in Facebook comments giving compliments etc, something me and you would probably never do.

Don't ever underestimate the blue pill, shit is more potent than TRP and makes men do crazy things without even realizing it.

[–]i4mn300 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Couldn't agree with you more on this. I sometimes have private shows on chaturbate from girls in their early 20s or even 18/19.

But sometimes I see on the featured cams front page - some fat fucking chick getting the time of the day from about 3k beta fags and even amassing ~3k tips from their stupid games which chaturbate provides the models with.

[–]bornredd7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Had a roommate who was a chubby chaser. They're out there, and they love the fatties.

[–]Docbear644 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think a chubby chaser is better than these guys, at least a chubby chaser has a type he is attracted to. These guys are just happy to stick their dick in ANYTHING

[–]corsega5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup: http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/09/tinder-taught-me-that-plus-size-is-a-fetish.html

Can't find it now but there was also a misc thread where a guy put up a photo of a whale and posted the messages

[–]1Soarinc2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm also highly disturbed by this as well. Isn't porn a better option at that point?

[–]RealRational1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Right? Better to rub one out than fuck a fatty.

[–]GreatWhiteCuck2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd rather jerk off alone in the corner of a dark room than go anywhere near these women

[–]RedSugarPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought I'd give it a try for sport. Worst decision of my life. Took her shoes off, couldn't breathe. It was then that I realized, their bodies are straight up broken. Manned up, soft nexted her—because I honestly felt sorry for her. She was doomed.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your post made me laugh out fucking loud.

[–][deleted] 105 points106 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Women lack the ability to be introspective, so I doubt she'll realize anything. It's more likely she'll just blame society and patriarchy, about why real men don't appreciate strong and independent women.

Spoiler alert, real men enjoy young pussies.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse_23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women lack the ability to be introspective

It's so true and it really blows my mind how consistently women decide that everything is someone else's fault.

For the past 10 years she's failed to secure commitment? Clearly all men are douchebags.

The rationalizations and logical acrobatics they perform to reach these conclusions are just so incredible. If this sort of pseudothought came from a man, we'd think he was retarded.

Hardly ever do you see a woman genuinely own her shit.

[–]Wycked_x7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not once have they ever owned up to anything, not even the fact that they poop.

[–]JohnnySkidmarx18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your spoiler alert is so true.

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[–]TryDoingSomethingNew2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but that's almost like a statistical anomaly...like as we say in engineering, it's "neglible". Too rare or small to even worry about.

[–]talcobh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

they can be introspective about a lot of things, love and relationships usually being the exception :/

[–]darkrood9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I thought some poster mention the OP to be doctor, so she probably has her own 401k?

Blah, what was I saying? She wants to snatch that Chad, plain and simple.

[–]PM_Me_Your_Rabbits5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol I think he got confused because her location says MD

[–]OscarPistachios0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish I could like your comment 1 million times. Women are born fucking morons.

[–]Wanderbrew77 points78 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Interesting note...I often find that older women (26 up) on dating apps almost always have somewhat unwelcoming bios. Even if you like what you see at first, you'll like run into a "not looking for hookups, please grow up if that's all you want" etc sort of preemptively shaming you for finding her attractive and wanting to sleep w her (unless you're a white knight who would never dream of such an act...which is what she's hoping you are. Its possibly a shit test but it's likely her time with Chads is over and she makes sure you know that). And then they're surprised when people are turned off by it, lol. Meanwhile the 22 year olds are just loving life and much more amiable and fun. They're pleasant to be around and to sleep with and hopefully don't have a kid or other baggage that the OP's last decade of the carousel accumulated. BTW, it's true you sometimes find young girls with the "no hookup" bio, but I find its usually clearly split into landwhales who you wouldnt spear anyway. Then there are the girls who are only in it for attention or to find some orbiters. But there are a lot of them that just wanna meet a chad without any one else knowing. Anyway...point is this is gonna be a self propelling cycle of loneliness and bitterness for her. Hope she can work something better out.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse_20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

not looking for hookups

This is sign #1 that your attempt to hook up with her is going to be a smashing success.

her time with Chads is over

Heh, no it's not. She'd prefer you thought that, but when she's talking to her girlfriends or writing online a very different picture emerges.

[–]7thAnvil0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not looking for a hookup.

This can mean so many things it's virtually meaningless. It may be a shit test, anti-slut defense, selling of perceived social virtue, she's ready to settle down, she will fuck you on the first date but only if she thinks she might want to keep you around to fuck some more, feelings of frustration at being pumped and dumped, creepy betas overtly pushing for hookups in the past, etc.

And then we have to remember the most important lesson: Listen to what they do and ignore what they say. Just about anything she SAYS on her online profile is meaningless. The no hook-up line being one of the least meaningful.

[–]1theoctopuss36 points37 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She's trying to put value on something which has none. Her pussy is used up after doezens, maybe hundreds, of dicks and a few kids. Little does she know that no man she considers worth her time would stick around longer than a couple romps.

[–]maniclurker22 points23 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

In my area, even the younger women frequently have kids. Single moms all over the place.

Fuck the bible belt.

[–]Trail_of_Jeers14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

From your post I assume someone already is.

[–]maniclurker7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I feel like this could be made into a song somehow.

Fucking around the bible belt...

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not just the bible belt. Single motherhood is on the rise everywhere. In British Columbia, Canada 1 in 5 children are below in poverty line, 80% of these are single parent homes (90% single mother). This doesn't include those above the poverty line. Estimates put 25% of children are raised by a single parent mostly single women.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/child-poverty-report-1.3334440

[–]fearl3ss8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I see nothing wrong with fucking women with kids. As long as you don't meet the kids and you use protection, there's no problem on my end.

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[–]maniclurker7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

While what you say is true, his point is that you ignore the agenda. Don't offer an opportunity to let her net you.

I think that is one of the fundamental pillars of TRP. Be cognizant of the circumstances. Make decisions that most aligns with your ideals.

[–]Mudpielol3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

not looking for hookups

might be ASD, or a shit test upfront :). But I see what you mean.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Since we can assume that all women get hookup proposals and only a tiny minority is actually looking for them (because a woman who does doesn't need the internet for that), the line "not looking for hookups" can mean one of two things:

If she looks shy and slightly demure and her wording indicates that she's sincerely appalled by the suggestion, odds are that she is fed up with all these approaches and just wants to signal that she's not available for this.

If she looks on some level basic and slutty and her tone is more pissed than indignant, odds are that she's the type who has already made some bad experiences with guys who would bed her but weren't available for anything serious.

Of course, there are also those women who honestly admit that their time for "exploring" is over and that they're "different" now, which is actually refreshing.

[–]jm511 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Some years ago I was lurking on the POF forum. One thread was about players and how women could avoid them.

A player relied 'It is relatively easy to open the slot of any woman that posts 'No Players'. He went on to explain that players know how to avoid giving out red flags and most of the genuine (as in actually looking for romance) guys don't. So the genuine guys get rejected for red flags and the HBs end up with player after player.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I once came to the conclusion that most young woman will be incredibly turned off from a guy who will actually commit himself to her. Like the sort of dude who would actually do such a thing is incredibly unattractive. Her radar prevents her 22 year old self from getting the guys that her 45 year old self will actually want to be married to.

These young chicks assume that dudes who are nervous or are not used to dating a lot of chicks and know all the moves are somehow total creeps. The players of the world don't come off as creeps. They are incredibly skilled at doing this. The guys who are the polar opposite of players and who will likely commit fairly easy will come off as creepy.

[–]Wanderbrew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, that's an interesting point. I've seen glints of that truth before, but hadn't considered it. Poor AFCs getting turned down and replaced by chads even when the girl is allegedly trying to avoid that.
Funny note, a little trick I picked up here is that when a wary girl tries to call you out, you either jokingly agree and amplify about what a player you are, or you just turn it on them "what, you think I'm a player?" And often they'll say no that's not what I meant! and proceed making out.

[–]JackGetsIt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Their bio's switch to unwelcoming because she's ready to get off the carousel. She is just signaling that she's done with throwing herself at alpha cock and willing to settle for a beta buxs. They will also try to play the game of not having sex for a few dates (even thought they want to) in the hopes that you will be controllable and make for a good LTR.

[–]AutisticusMaximus64 points65 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I just get a tinge of jealousy, being like hey GIVE ME A SHOT.

Just remember, 10 years ago, when you were in the position to choose, what would you say to a shy, timid guy your own age that would ask you to just give him a chance.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends on how many of her female friends are around. The more there are, the more humiliating rejection you get.

[–]blue_dover 346 points346 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Now she knows how men from 18-27 feel

[–]Wassauce_Farooq253 points254 points  (83 children) | Copy Link

More so from 13-27.

Can you believe that? 14 years of involuntary celibacy. But god forbid if you ever complain about the gender INEQUALITY at that early age.

Us men start at the literal bottom of the food chain and have to work our way up without being told the rules of the game or how to play.

[–][deleted] 129 points130 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Involuntary celibacy makes life so incredibly miserable, but you're not allowed to complain, you fucking creep!

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Incels build their own prisons.

Is their really some kind of ancient logic that needs to be decoded to figure out that girls like to fuck muscular jock dudes and bad boys instead of spineless anime fanboy nerds who play xbox all day and are out of shape/chubby/obese?

These guys shouldn't complain. They should get off their ass and hit the gym, go running, go for a bike ride, ANYTHING! whining and begging for sex in a droopy the dog voice is fucking beyond pathetic.

I get it, not getting laid sucks. Feeling ugly and unattractive sucks, but it's the individual's responsibility to do something about that. Not whine about "fat girls get laid how come a fat guy like me can't?".

The faster a person stops whining, accepts their situation, and does something about it, the faster they'll become a happier person.

[–]hawkeaglejesus18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If every boy was taught this along with sex ed it would not be a problem, but we live in the world of the Female Imperative and the Disney fantasy.

From the day we are born men are indoctrinated to believe that our natural instincts are wrong. We are led astray at every single opportunity by women who are supposed to care about us. Our mothers/teachers/"friends" do not care. Their mission is to turn you into the perfect Beta Bux.

I get it, not getting laid sucks.

What, you only care about sex? Typical asshole man.

Feeling ugly and unattractive sucks

Why are you so shallow and vain?

but it's the individual's responsibility to do something about that.

But you're such a nice guy. Just be yourself and eventually the right girl will come along. Someone who will appreciate you for who you really are.

[–]Nullberri7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Indoctrination is incredibly effective when its so pervasive, starts so early and never lets up.

There are five lights, and every white knight out there whole heatedly believes they see them.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This.

When I was still at college, there was a guy in my dorm (didn't really talk with him more than once or twice, but seemed to be a decent chap): 6'6", really built, tanned etc. with a cute short curvy blonde as his GF.

Now while I was dimly aware that being lean and muscular was somewhat attractive to women (but not too much of course, since women don't really care about that anyway), this guy was actually bulky (the bulk you only get if you lift a lot or take roids); and bulky was something women didn't want. At least that's what every single woman has told me.

So I sincerely thought that this guy had gotten a hot GF not because but despite his appearance. The idea that a woman - and one who went to college FFS - could actually be into that look was so utterly alien to me that I could only think "well, nice pull, bro". Today I am more like "well, nice pull, girl".

And these are ideas I would never have gotten if women hadn't been so insistant that men only work out to impress other men but certainly not women, that gymbros are immature and shallow and juvenile and undatable, that women don't really like that look etc.

Fuck that noise.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're right about all that, the problem is that nobody is setting these kids on the right path.

They almost certainly have either a single mother or a weak submissive father. School teaches them to behave like the little girls and that acting like a boy is bad. These poor kids are raised from birth to be passive consumers, to act like women. Few break the mold, most spend their lives either alone or being cheated on.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Almost certainly. Almost. Westernized single moms screw their boys over all the time.

My mom is totally old-school Mexican. Raised 4 on her own. Taught her two boys to never take shit from women, and that men are only second to God. "Nunca seas esclavo a nadie." Translation: "Never be a slave to anyone," were words I heard all throughout my childhood/adolescence.

She also told me that a man is to never show a woman his whole heart for the woman will take advantage of this. TRP translation: Never let her think she has you locked down. Totally true.

Gotta thank Mom for the words of wisdom. Even as a little boy, she was totally right in the male development of my youth. My bro didn't learn it well though which goes to show that some boys just don't learn even with a proper instructor.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They're not my problem. If they can't get in here and realize this is how it works, so fucking what. I am not the daddy. If dad can't do it for them, well his genetic material dies with them.

Good riddance.

[–]verify_account 9 points9 points [recovered] | Copy Link

They're kids and the don't get good guidance as /u/abirdsword said. Yes they have to make changes but all their adults are telling them "jus be urself!"

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but look around you, most "average men" have beer guts and dress like shit. What kind of advice are you really expecting from a guy who can't even physically take care of himself and drugs himself to the point of bloating just to "relax"? (talking about getting drunk here).

Average men don't get laid that much. Most women find average men to be unattractive.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even if you aren't creep-shamed or shamed in general for it, you're still signaling that you're a loser. So even with the most understanding friends in the world, do. not. talk. about. it.

[–]irapejokes12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"Women don't owe you sex you cis scum!" -- feminism

[–]Eidolon343625 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Men don't owe you children and pieces of their souls you thankless uteroids!!!" - da manosphere.

[–]bornredd16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Struggle makes the man. Succeed or don't, the world doesn't give a shit.

[–]Toastlove41 points42 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

14 years of involuntary celibacy - Us men start at the literal bottom of the food chain and have to work our way up without being told the rules of the game or how to play.

Fucking hell the pity party has started early. If you strike out for 14 years you're the problem, not the game.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The game is not fair, neither is life. You can make the best of it by being the best man you can or you can cry about it like a feminist.

Don't know why you were downvoted.

[–]Toastlove6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because for all their mocking of sjw echo chambers people fail to see when (not always) this place is being one too.

[–]Lord_NShYH37 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Us men start at the literal bottom of the food chain and have to work our way up without being told the rules of the game or how to play.

Good. We are forged in adversity. Let the weak be trampled under hoof, and discarded like sub-human garbage.

[–]Thomaskingo37 points38 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Can you believe that? 14 years of involuntary celibacy. But god forbid if you ever complain about the gender INEQUALITY at that early age.

In the sexual marketplace the weak notion of INEQUALITY is the badge of honor of the omega. Women didn't want to fuck you because they weren't attracted to you because you were unattractive. Get over it and get to the gym. No woman owes you pussy.

Us men start at the literal bottom

Speak for yourself. Most guys don't swim in pussy in their teenage years, but few are involuntary celibate until they are 27.

I seriously don't understand why people up vote comments like yours. It reeks of beta frustration. To swallow the pill is to transcend that, not wallow in it.

[–]anangryterrorist22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The forst stage is always anger. We let them vent in the hopes that it will eventually lead to acceptance/transcendence.

[–]hawkeaglejesus4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Swallowing the pill isn't an overnight process. It's a great metaphor but it takes time to go from BP to RP. They're already tearing down a life time of conditioning. There's no need to tear them down while they're still trying to climb the mountain.

[–]KV-n2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

from my experience as a frustrated omega, swallowing the pill is really easy because as morpheus says in the original speech, the splinter that irks the mind is already there but i couldnt exactly put my finger on it until i found TRP.

Now going from omega to at least beta - thats hard as fuck.

[–]Thomaskingo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Now going from omega to at least beta - thats hard as fuck.

To learn how to not be an omega read the book No More Mr Nice Guy.

To stop being a supplicating sad beta: Lift heavy shit and do yoga! Read everything written by Rollo Tomassi!

The process doesn't take place here on the sub. If all you ever do is sit around reading awalt stories, then you'll never really get a deeper understanding of what's actually going on and improve accordingly.

[–]Thomaskingo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's no need to tear them down while they're still trying to climb the mountain.

I can appreciate that, but don't you think it's kind of problem, if they metaphorically speaking only leave base camp to crawl into a nearby cave down into the ground, while presumably thinking they're climbing?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Comments like his get upvoted because this sub is full of beta frustration. There is a difference between these betas and non red pill betas though. We try, and we get better.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let them let it out. Bottling up the anger phase just leads to people who have enough frame and game to feign being an alpha but really just fuck women as a sort of way to avenge their past incel selves. They're not cool and confident, just tactically smart. They're not alpha, just pickup artists. You must let go of your anger to truly internalize TRP. Hating women for being women isn't healthy

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"It reeks of beta frustration." Quoting for emphasis. Good post

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Most men who play their cards right won't be involuntarily celibate until they are 27, but they will find that their life is better in their 30s than it was in their 20s. If you are having a really great 27 you will have an awesome 37 but for the majority of women having a great 27 will not mean a great 37.

[–]Thomaskingo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you are having a really great 27 you will have an awesome 37 but for the majority of women having a great 27 will not mean a great 37.

We'll obviously you're right in the sense that a woman's SMV is in free fall after 25. This is primarily because they face stark competition from younger (and therefore hotter) women, as a function of themselves getting older. It'll only get worse as a women gets older. At 30 the women faces stark competition from the younger women at 25. This doesn't mean that these women stop swimming in willing alpha cock. It just means they can't pull the same top tier alphas they did at 22. Another function of time for an aging woman in her twenties is, that the population of suitable same age beta providers are constantly dwindling because they get married to women stepping down from the CC. The male SMV perspective is dependent on who will fuck him. For women it's more correctly determined from who'll pair bond with them. If we look at women's post wall SMV thru the male perspective, then women will to a large degree continue to experience a higher SMV into their thirties, than men their own age. Women won't appreciate this and think they have a great 37 because it isn't what truly matters to them. Their hypergamous programming tell them, that they are failing because the aren't able to couple with the high SMV guys they used to and they can't lock down the same quality beta as before. That is not the same as having trouble getting off with a relatively hot stud.

So, the motivation for this little tirade is, that most guys aren't really gonna get ahead of women just by virtue of getting older. That is an omega pipe dream.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most guys will generally be ahead of themselves though. Unless you let your health fall or become a drug addict or criminal or something most average dudes will be in a better place at 33 than they were at 23 even if they don't go out and optimize everything via bodybuilding, money making, and other game. They may not be swimming in pussy but they will usually be better off. A lot of single 35 year old women are absolutely miserable and a lot of single 35 year old dudes are fine going mgtow. They don't suffer from depression, they don't suffer from anxiety, they aren't particularly desperate.

Is it better to be an 18 year old male or a 35 year old male. Definitely 35. Even if you just take the averages. But for most women its better to be an 18 year old than a 35 year old. Men start off at a low point and typically go up somewhat. Most women, without a proper lifestyle, decline across the board.

[–]warsie0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

because the comment is the truth? it doesn't matter if it's 'frustration', its still a fact.

[–]Thomaskingo0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You need to read the sidebar. Inequality hasn't got anything to do with SMV. It's a question of attraction. It's not like girls not getting wet for you is unjust. They just desire men that is actually attractive. The problem for the incel is that they are the absolute bottom of thr barrel. All other males are just far superior to them. Well at least until they drop the omega traits.

Edit: these are real red pill facts and if you actually knew any theory and not just its acronyms, then you'd not call such victim puke a "fact".

[–]warsie0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure attraction is a facet of SMV. Literally. SMV is a measure of attraction.

It's not like girls not getting wet for you is unjust. They just desire men that is actually attractive.

Biology is not morality. Remember, "sexual strategy is amoral." line used to keep 'bro shielding' from happening?

these are real red pill facts and if you actually knew any theory and not just its acronyms, then you'd not call such victim puke a "fact".

The fact that males often have more incel times or dry spells than females? That's victim puke? The fact that females are sexually priviledged? That's victim puke?

hahahaha.

[–]Thomaskingo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure attraction is a facet of SMV. Literally. SMV is a measure of attraction.

I didn't state otherwise... it was a point.

Biology is not morality.

I didn't state otherwise... it was a point.

The fact that males often have more incel times or dry spells than females?

Male and female SMV rise and fall differently with age. Incel isn't an apt describer. https://therationalmale.com/2013/06/20/smv-ratios-attachment/

That's victim puke?

If you use the word "unjust"in connection with bitching about women understandably not wanting to fuck you, then yes.

The fact that females are sexually priviledged?

What are you a sexual justice warrior? The sexual strategies of the two genders and the SMV curve explain this, and besides it's retarded to call it a privilege. Understand that females and males are 50/50 if you aren't fucking all these sexually"privileged" women, then who is? The Martian invaders?

That's victim puke?

Yes... read the sidebar

hahahaha

Ha

[–]1Entropy-74 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Only about 1-in-8 guys are virgins in their early 20s and that drops to about 1-in-25 for their late 20s. Aside from these virgins, only about 5% of guys don't get laid at least once a year.

[–]Seducibledotcom28 points29 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Just because you're not a virgin doesn't mean you're not involuntarily celibate.

[–]1Entropy-70 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

There is a big discussion to be had about where you draw the line. Are you incel if you didn't get laid last night? Last week? Last month? What if you could get laid but your standards are too high? What if you don't get laid because you don't put in the effort?

[–]elevul0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What if you don't get laid?

[–]warsie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What if you could get laid but your standards are too high? What if you don't get laid because you don't put in the effort?

i dont think that counts a incel under most definitions.

[–]pcadrian 13 points13 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Men need regular sex in order to function properly. I am talking at least weekly if single, and daily if in a relationship. Getting laid once a year? What man would be satisfied with sex once a year?

[–]1Entropy-75 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That is actually one sex partner per year. The data I was looking at didn't go into the frequency or how many times they had sex with that one partner.

Guys who think they need sex daily are obviously guys who are not having sex and don't have access to it.

So, any guy who is not having sex weekly is classified as "incel"?

[–]pcadrian -3 points-3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Any guy who isn't having sex as much as he needs to or wants to is "incel".

[–]1Entropy-71 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's a silly definition, like saying if you don't have as much money as you want then you are poor.

[–]elevul0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The man who has no other choice?

[–]elevul0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where do those statistics come from?

[–]1Entropy-70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf

The data is almost a decade old but is probably the most reliable you will find.

[–]staybythebay -1 points-1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

involuntary celibacy? just cause you can't get laid doesn't mean it's a problem for guys in general. or is that what this subreddit is? guys who complain about how they can't get laid?

[–]elevul0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

involuntary celibacy? just cause you can't get laid doesn't mean it's a problem for guys in general. or is that what this subreddit is? guys who complain about how they can't get laid?

Well, yes. Why did you think the whole movement started?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Now she knows how I feel when I use Tinder.

I am 40, but I constantly get estimated for 30, and I still mostly match with women who are (way) older than me, because they have their filters set to men who are at their age or below.

No thanks. I ain't no gilf hunter.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Change age on your Facebook profile. You should start matching with younger women.

[–]casemodsalt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Turn that age filter down bro.

I actually set my max to 45 and rarely ever match with anyone near that.

Alwayssss early 20's.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why don't you lower your own age cutoff? That way they may swipe right on you, but you won't get them.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But she still doesn't know she knows .... because solipsism. "That's different!" and "That's just sex!" and "You don't have the right to...!" You know, the usual self-imposed barriers to understanding.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men start off on the wall. And really for a lot of dudes its not 14-15 years, its 20. It can easily be 13-33. Attractive women usually get it early and often and go through a completely different experience in life that starts when they are girls and intensifies at 13 and doesn't wear off for another 15 to sometimes 20 years.

The thing is. During that time they never developed the coping skills and other life skills that the vast majority of men are supposed to develop when we are young.

[–]FoxMcWeezer-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

And 18-27 is such a shorter time span than 30s to death.

[–]elevul1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wut, what makes you think women post 30 can't get laid?

[–]FoxMcWeezer-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women past 30 value a relationship, not pure sex.

[–]talcobh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah but 18-27 are the prime years, 30+ and everybody starts getting old and wrinkly anyway

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio163 points64 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This is the key takeaway:

"In my 20s there were a lot of guys I could see myself dating."

"see myself dating"?

Most likely scenario is it's yet another girl who screwed above her SMV for 10 years convincing herself she could be dating the guys she 'knew'.

Once again for the record:

  • A female SMV 6 can quite easily sleep with a male SMV 9.

  • A male SMV 6 can once in a blue moon sleep with a female SMV 9.

Sadly for women, that disparity is responsible for millions and millions of false self-perceptions of female SMV. Only after the wall hits, and the SMV disparity gets even larger does the truth become painfully obvious.

[–]PaulAJK3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"In my 20s there were a lot of guys I could see myself dating." 

"see myself dating"?

Yeah, that struck me too. I think what she thought was "I'm a 6 , and could see myself dating a 7.5, but there's a hot 9 who's banging me, and I'll stick with him for a while. When I'm bored of the CC and my ovaries are calling I'll settle for one of the 7.5s"

However, she's found out she ain't a 6 anymore, the 8s and 9s aren't even noticing her, and those 7.5 have either found a better 6 to settle with, have grown fat and gross and are now 5s, or have got their sh*t together and are now banging younger 6-8s.

So those 7.5s who once swarmed arouind her no longer exist in anything like the numbers they used to.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But post wall women are the only ones suffering, you shitlord! After miles of cock went through her in her 20s, it suddenly stops! That's far worse than the frustrated guys in high school they used to step on!

/s

[–]Camberlain98 points99 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

men age like wine

Men only age like wine if they improve themselves.

[–][deleted] 72 points73 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Men only age like wine if they improve themselves.

Wine doesn't just age by itself. Aging wine is a very disciplined process. Wine left to its own devices will spoil within a day and not even be good vinegar.

[–]Tuga_Lissabon20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Newsflash: Shit wine goes to shit fast.

Wine that ages well must start by being good wine thats properly acconditioned and finds its way into a proper place where it can age properly.

To put it another way: to age gracefully you must start young and maintain it (proper wine-making, bad one will spoil). Also get a good job and money cause that's going to help you keep yourself trim and proper (good bottle and cork + expense of keeping in cellar).

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Interesting point. I didn't know that.

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[–]Dean_Winchester36-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There was an episode of a show where they tried to make wine but failed. Cant remember what it was though.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Otherwise they turn to vinegar

[–]Trail_of_Jeers7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but even vinegar has more use than spoilt milk.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unless you're hideous or have a shit job, you're gonna get some attention.

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Your whole rant about "how women behave in their teens and 20s" has me laughing pretty hard. I had a plate who was 32 years old who I just soft nexted last week. Now, she was very attractive for a 32 year old; yoga instructor, C cups, decent face, a solid 7, but she was so used to punching out of her league that despite being 32 and attractive, she was single. After we'd fuck she'd always talk about guys she used to date. They were all insanely successful. She was from a very connected family, and she often met lawyers living in luxury apartments in Manhattan, business owners with millions to their name, etc... She always found some way to disparage them, despite not being particularly successful herself. Her latest ex, a consultant making $200K+ at 35, was "a man child" whatever that means. Others had left her because... well they could. They were millionaires and there was a world of women out there who were more attractive and less picky and judgmental.

Now, you could tell in the back of her mind that she was freaked out about not having a marriage prospect yet, but she did nothing about it. She fucked me weekly for 6 months, claiming, "I'm only using you for your body and your dick," on a fairly regular basis. She knew I was fucking other people, but continued to fuck me exclusively. I almost started feeling guilty towards the end because I know she's basically got no chance of getting the children I know she wants now. Multiple times she got frustrated and said things like, "why can't you be 10 years older and done with school?" (I'm 24 btw). It took every bit of willpower I had to not come back with, "If I were you know I wouldn't actually date you, right?"

After that experience I basically have no sympathy for the post wall woman. See the thing is, the wall isn't actually about men having an advantage in dating. It's about women having less of an advantage than they usually do, and thus getting frustrated. It's also about that biological clock and the sudden realization that guys who give her dick =/= guys who will give her kids. My plate had more than a few very high quality guys she could've landed, but instead she decided they weren't good enough and then wasted 6 months fucking a 24 year old because he looks good naked.

[–]JackGetsIt2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

and then wasted 6 months fucking a 24 year old because he looks good naked.

It's just too difficult to recognize the truth that she's past the wall. It's easier to continue riding the cock carousel. It's just a self delusion. Or maybe she is aware of it and doesn't care, that's still bizarre as well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And retards continue to think they are our equals. Thanks RP Doc for this.

I'm glad women are retarded by genetics. Only a fucking idiot would throw away that many opportunities. Most dudes get lucky if they meet a guy that is legitimate in his business and makes $$$ (I'm talking 7 and up). Yet here you go (one case of many) who throw away opportunities because of some dumb shit.

I welcome it really because they themselves don't have shit to begin with but LOVE just LOVE talking down to self made guys. Its great really

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit103 points104 points  (45 children) | Copy Link

40's is even better...and believe it or not youngsters, 50's rocks. Just keep your body and style together and you can pull women from 20-40. I do. You can too.

[–]HughMannity48 points49 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

Well done, young feller, I'm sixty with everything working fine, & no shortage of young pussy. And bloody Mick Jaggers 72, fuck him, Just kiddin Mick, you're awesome.

[–]Hang10Dude19 points20 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Could you elaborate on how you are pulling young girls even in your sixties? This topic is the only reason I read TRP. Nothing else here interests me except being able to have young women in my life indefinately.

[–]kraken991135 points36 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Be sixty and pulling social security.

move to the Philippines and be richer than pretty much everyone if you draw $1000 a month in ss benefits. Take your pick of any 20 something that isnt from a rich family. I see this every day. socially acceptable here.

[–]MarinTaranu8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, plenty of pussy in the P's but, sorry to say, $1,000 a month is living at the edge. Angeles City and Olangapo, both north from Manila, are reputed for loose girls. But in other places, it's not so easy and women are not that pretty (I found that as I get older, my standards increased). And the whole environment here in the P's makes me quite depressed.

[–]kraken991115 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Nah I'd avoid Luzon altogether especially those areas. Too many expats and too many people that know everything they need to know about you to take advantage.

I live down in the southern visayas region where it's chill and not ungodly crowded in a minor city.

My two story two bedroom apartment costs me $230 a month and utilities/cellphone/internet brings my TOTAL monthly living expenses (not including food) to $300 roughly. That leaves me $1300 more or less as discretionary funds from my monthly pay. I live quite nicely and I don't budget so tightly for day to day living and entertainment.

On the flipside you're right. Being here can be very depressing at times. I can live high and mighty but I don't and I could get laid every night with a different girl but I don't. It gets tiring and old. I'm in semi-monk mode currently.

[–]MarinTaranu0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

We are in Cavite City and I am the only white person in this whole place. But I am married and my wife is very protective of me, sometimes to the extreme. My biggest expense is the downpayment for a new house we bought in a gated neighborhood. Otherwise, we live in the old house rent free (we own it, hehe), and sometimes I splurge on food in Manila. A few days ago I went to the U.S. Consulate and across the road there is the ArmyNavy burgers+burritos, man, I ate so much I had difficulty walking out.

Feel free to write any time if you get bored.

[–]kraken99110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That famous pinay extreme jealousy and insecurity. They all say they aren't like the others and most of the time they actually are. No biggie since it's just their cultural trait. Tell you the truth if I ever break up with my current gf, I'm staying single for a long time.

Army navy amazingly is pretty decent but I lived in Southern California for 4 years so NOTHING even comes close to my standards of burritos now.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know who downvoted this but they're a fucktard. Interesting post, I'm going to repeat this info when I'm advising incel guys how to fix their fucked-up situation.

[–]Limekill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah girls in ph get fat very fast very young. Its really, really bad. If they are not willing to go to gym for you do not date them. The good thing is if you demand (and occasionally banish) they are usually pretty compliant. Remember you have to lead them - "no carb diet or leave", etc.

Just go further out than Manila or god forbid boracay.

[–]kraken99110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it's an entire nation of people that live completely on carbs (not the good kind either), fried everything, oily, sugar sugar sugar, greasy, and always vegetable free food. Symptom of poverty really since fresh fruits, veggies , and quality lean meat isn't cheap. Lack of health education as well. Plus NOBODY ever wants to exert themselves because they HATE sweating despite the fact we're on tropical islands and there's no way you're gonna avoid it.

I disagree with the fat while young statement though. Obesity here is still wayyyyyyy lower than your average American. Your average person here is really underdeveloped from not eating so great while young. Most under 30 girls will have trim bodies even if not well defined. Its the faces you gotta watch out for. Lot of women that look great from behind then turn around and you make the "damnnnnn" face from Friday in horror.

[–]Seducibledotcom8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But what about us, we won't have SS when we're sixty lol.

[–]MarinTaranu6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

One word - get on Metformin by the age of 50, you'll probably achieve 100 easy. (Metformin is a cheap drug recommended for diabetics but it was found to have very powerful life-extension properties - rats treated with Metformin lived on the average, the equivalent of 120 human years, with less cancers and much improved quality of life.) To that, I would add one aspirin a day.

[–]blackierobinsun20 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Is there any side effects to metformin

[–]rathyAro1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metformin

Google is a powerful tool.

[–]MarinTaranu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really. You should read the prospectus in the box, though. Maybe hypoglycemia. I recommend one 850mg pill per day.

[–]HughMannity0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

on how you are pulling

Game m'boy, just game. Best way there is, hell some of the bitches these days are so stupid they pay me for it too. And keep fit, no flab, don't take shit from them, hand it straight back, double.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My old boss got divorced at 45. He was in great shape, worked out every Sat and Weds (only, but 20 years of consistency gave him a fantastic bod). He earned 250+ a year and dressed great. He'd have the girls at the banana republic or where ever help him co-ordinate a couple of outfits and then nail em. Re-did his entire wardrobe and ploughed thru so many hotties.

Strategy probably works well at any age.

[–]Tuga_Lissabon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love honesty. Good for you man.

Also interested here, 20 years off from that particular wall.

[–]VancouverSucks1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

how old are the girl mick jaggers fucking?

[–]jm512 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

A spokesman confirmed that the singer's girlfriend, 29-year-old American ballerina Melanie Hamrick, is pregnant. Sir Mick, 72, already has seven children whose ages range from 17 to 45 and he became a great-grandfather last year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36802484

[–]VancouverSucks3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

a 29 year old American ballerina.Nice. So Mick uses the half your age minus 7 rule I see.

[–]jm510 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like that version of the rule. Means I can go for 25 year olds.

[–]HughMannity0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Historically speaking, and he's been doing it for a very long time, anything like about 18 -30

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thumbs up brother! I only found TRP a couple of months ago...heh heh, I'm working towards a harem at 65. There's a plethora of hotties in their 20's looking for "Daddy". As men, we are blessed by time.

[–]kolluminko0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

i'd love to see a article about that lifestyle sir!

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[–]Tarnsman4Life4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

My father may have been a terrible dad but the one good example he did set is being able to pull good looking trim well into his 50's. Nothing like your dad introducing you at age 10 to his 20 year old girlfriend, when he is 45.

[–]Hang10Dude8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Okay, as a 27 year old, I'm already starting to enjoy the benefits of dating younger women....

But are you telling me that you're still a rockstar in your 50's? If so, how? Details would be amazing. I would definately read and upvote a post about this.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm 57 and am currently with two plates, 31 and 23. It's all in the attitude. Of course, they both have "Daddy issues" and the younger of the two calls me "Daddy" but hey, it works for me. I have a paternal bent and abhor women trying to dominate me. (Women my age do not attract me in the slightest, sorry ladies.) The hardest part is to remember NOT to worship them...lol. My nature is to be "nice" and loving and sweet and romantic and...getting the picture? BETA! As I learn proper female handling here at TRP, I am better able to keep them wanting more of me. It's work but the results are worth every moment of focus and personal change. The result if I slip into "nice guy" mode? Adios hotties! Hello achey heart!

[–]rot_barth1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gotta love girls with daddy issues. 1. Were your parents divorced? Check. 2. Raised by a single mom? Check 3. How is your relationship with your father? Check. 4. Want to come back to my place? Check.

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

do you also drive an S class benz?

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I wish. I have pocket and date money but my current plates (31 and 23) are not in it for my money. In fact the elder of the two often splits the check/cost of our outings. It's all in the attitude.

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

splitting of the checks is nice. fortunately, most of the women i've been with always offered to split and most insisted on it.

[–]aanarchist28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

just give me a chance she says. hey lady, remember when guys said that and you made fun of them for being losers? how's that karma feel?

[–][deleted] 101 points102 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

In their 20's they've got options.

In their 30's they're desperate.

In their 40's they're on sale.

In their 50's nobody wants them.

Life isn't fair. But it's worse that the zeitgeist is thoroughly hellbent to lie to women 100% of the time in every movie, TV show, website, magazine, and op-ed. The more men that go red pill, the more women are (theoretically) going to recognize they've been sold out by feminism, the media, the zeitgeist, their parents, their teachers, their schools, and their religion. By theoretically, I guess probably most will sit in DENIAL river until they die. Simply because it might be more comfortable. I mean that's what a lot of the feminist-ish junk subreddits like Okc, TBP, etc are all about. The DENIAL river.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In their 60's they start slut shaming all women under 50.

In their 70's they admit they finally admit the number of men they fucked on the sly.

[–]rot_barth4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

From a interview in a magazine on dating: Q: What is it like as a woman in your 50's? A: You're invisible.

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[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is not on topic for this sub. Keep the discussion about the OP and sexual strategy.

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

That thread is just gold in regards to the butthurt and how they think men dating younger is "pathetic." Too funny.

[–]1RPAlternate4277 points78 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Men Dating Younger = "Pathetic"

Women dating older = "The way it's supposed to be."

This is brought to you solipsism. Solipsism: Reality is what you make it.

[–]maniclurker14 points15 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

To be fair to solipsism, your own mind is really the only thing you can know to be real. The crazy thing is, how much of our own memory can be trusted? Psychological science has shown that we can and do modify memories involuntarily.

This existence is so fucking weird when you really contemplate it.

[–]1RPAlternate4220 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A very Cartesian view of reality... perhaps even Platonic, however in the scope of social dealings, I think solipsism is that self-involved reality you believe exists framed as an opinion to suit your feelings... not a belief based in objective reality.

We, and even other women might go, "oh honey... you were dating older guys at their age too"; we all see option 2: women date older and it's normal... she sees it as the other way around: men date younger and it's pathetic.

See, the first is a fact: women date older.

The second is an opinion: men dating younger is pathetic.

She'd never say: women dating older guys is pathetic because Aristotelian logic makes her think: If women dating older is pathetic, and I'm a woman, I must be pathetic too.

She can't face that reality, so she frames it as men are the subject, objectifying women.

That's the basis of solipsism here.

However, even if she does accept that she is pathetic, she would just immediately just say, but I've changed now... that was in the past...

[–]maniclurker2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, no qualms with your original statement. I just was making some off topic observations.

[–]1kick62 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Solipsism is a concept that should die at about age 5. You can't be an adult, and think all the other people you interact with aren't real and are only figments your imagination invented to entertain you.

[–]maniclurker-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm so happy your argument revolves around toddlers understanding completely abstract philosophical concepts.

I don't even have to bother digging into a good response. Just that.

[–]1kick60 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm so happy you didn't even read my post before attempting to respond with disdain. It makes the gasbag reply doubly humorous.

[–]maniclurker0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, your two sentences were so very difficult to parse through.

Get real, guy.

[–]1kick6-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Strange, then, that your comment made no sense as a reply.

[–]FUCK_YEA_GLITTER14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You see a guy that checks all of your boxes, only to find out he only dates women in their 20s :(

Isn't this the sign telling you that your standards are too high? That you can't really pull this type of man anymore? If these guys are pulling young and attractive women because they can, what do you think that means for the jealous 33y/o?

[–]F_Dingo11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I just get a tinge of jealousy, being like hey GIVE ME A SHOT.

L O L

O

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"Give me a shot!"

Yeah lady, thousands of guys just wanted a shot with women the same age as they were in their 20s and guess what happened to them? TURNED DOWN AND R E J E C T E D!

Hope she likes cats, the train for catville leaves at 12.

[–]bokehnikon35 points36 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Hamstering gold from a response to that sub-reddit OP: "The 40-year-olds are at a mid-life crisis and want a 23-year-old that will spend all their money."

[–]JohnnySkidmarx31 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll let the 23 year old hardbody fit babe spend my money over a 37 year old chubby and saggy woman who bitches and complains all the time because she is past the child-bearing age.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse_18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

One guy on the post has a great comment, though.

Along the lines of "If the 30 year old is going to give me the same bullshit and drama as the 20 year old, I'll just take the 20 year old."

Hats off to that beautiful bastard.

[–]harsha_hs2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

30 year old will give more drama than 20 year old

[–]GC0W3037 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Speaking as the old guy in that equation, I'd rather have a 23-year-old spendng it in exchange for what she sits on than have a 40-year-old spending it.

IRL, though, the last 26-year-old I fucked on a first date went dutch on everything except for the condoms...

[–]The1WhoCsAll4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Younger women often feel they need to prove their maturity to an older man, so you see a lot more composure than a woman from your peer group

[–]Tuga_Lissabon10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lemme finish her sentence: "The 40-year-olds are at a mid-life crisis and want a 23-year-old that will spend all their money instead of a 40 year old who knows how to spend it properly. The bastards."

[–]esperanzablanca8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"The 40-year-olds are at a mid-life crisis and want a 23-year-old that will spend my disposable money."

A 20-something is a accessory for my entertainment. I prefer to spend money on that sweet ass that in some old hag that will only nag me. Like I prefer to spend money on accessories for my Harley and my sport car. I spend when I want, because I can. But Im not spending on her, or the car, Im spending on MY own enjoyment. They are all accessories for my fun. When I dont feel like spending, I dont.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any woman of any age can spend all of your money. 13, 15, 25, 45, 60. They are all equally capable.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The saddest part about this, is if OP just stayed in good shape/exercised, knew how to cook well, fucks enthusiastically, and exhibited good mothering traits.. This post wouldn't even exist.

How can we expect that from her though with all the AA handicaps and babying. The world panders to women and doesn't create incentive for them to earn anything. Of course they're going to be washed up by 30 something if they're not putting in effort, just like an obese neck beard who sits in his room jerking off, playing video games, and living off his parents or government disability.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon17 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Dating for me as I have gotten older has gotten a lot more difficult 

Yeah, in the same way that it was difficult for me when I was young, partly because women lied to me about what they wanted (in order to exploit me for attention and resources) and partly because I was competing with older, richer, more experienced men.

Now that I'm an older, richer, more experienced myself man I am supposed to turn down my fair share of young hotties in favour of some bitter older women who wants to tie down my current and future resources with a legally enforced contract and baby obligation? They must be insane if they think that's gonna swing.

 hey GIVE ME A SHOT 

What... in the same way that I was given a shot when I was in my 20's with girls of my own age? Weird, I don't remember being given a shot at all.

The whole game was designed by women for women... I've no sympathy when it happens not to work out for some of them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I can't believe women don't hear what they are actually saying half the time. I bet they do but since women have different morals or non at all, they don't care about what they are doing. It just goes to show you what they are. It's like a bank robber coming back to a bank after robbing it and demanding a loan from them, it's that fucking retarded when they talk about relationships post wall, my god!

[–]1RPAlternate420 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This reminds me of a time my wife and I were driving to dinner near her sisters house. On the way she asked me a question about my brother and then we had a conversation that lasted 10 minutes on my brother. I don't remember what it was about, and it's not important.

Once the conversation was over, I was just looking out the window at shit go by.

5 minutes later:

why are you so quiet today?

What?

you've been quiet since we got in the car

We just had a 10 minute conversation about my brother.

oh yeah...

Then she was quiet for the next 5 minutes until we got there.

Women quite often forget shit that just happened... so forget trying to expect them to have empathy about 10 years ago.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's all powertalk.

It's not supposed to be true, or reasonable, or fair, or well thought through or logical.

Women speak to have an effect on the world that benefits them... directly or indirectly. This woman wants to date rich Chads, and this article is designed to help her date rich Chads. Or at least get her some delicious victim sympathy.

[–]NeoreactionSafe15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Generally it's assumed that a guy dates a woman about 5-15 years younger depending on his age.

This has always been true and will continue to be true.

Only when both are themselves young (20 years old plus or minus) are the ages similiar.

It only gets "shocking" when the age difference is 20 years or more because the women becomes young enough to be the man's daughter.

Fertility Rating:

 

  • 15 - 30 years old ---> From 100% down to 50%

  • 30 - 45 years old ---> From 50% down to 0%

 

The Wall represents the fact that roughly half a woman's fertility is gone.

 

It's the female biological clock.

Nature does not like what Feminism is doing to fertility.

The Wall is the "50% Off Discount Sale" for items that didn't sell.

 

[–]pcadrian 17 points17 points [recovered] | Copy Link

A text from a soon to be 30 year old I received yesterday (I'm 28). To put some context, dated this chick back in winter for less than 2 months. Then dated a 21 year old chick with whom things ended last week. The older chick sees an opportunity and swoops in:

Why would you just rather chance 21 year old little girls with a princess complex who have no clue what they want and won't for years (...)

You're making a mistake pcadrian. We still have it you just can't see it because u complicated everything by moving to the next so fast

You are the man for me. I don't want to be with another man. I'm done. Men aren't like you anymore. You know that. I'd have more luck getting struck by lightning than finding a man id ever love again.

Sigh... I feel like a Tai Chi practitioner dodging these attempts. Women 30+ can't stand the sight of men in their age group dating younger women. Will bring an entire emotional storm to reel you back in. Don't let the beta take over!

Funny thing is, I remember her saying once that she finds dating men over 33 disgusting.

[–]jeezydasnowman4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Text her that I dare ya lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What she meant was that guys 33 and over find her disgusting and would rather date the younger girls, with nice tight ass and big titties in mouth.

[–]NeverDieAlone6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men age like wine, women age like milk. This is what I call "success shaming".

I wouldn't be surprised if feminists tried to make it illegal for men to date women younger than themselves in the near future.

[–]Specter2421 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't be surprised if feminists tried to make it illegal for men to date women younger than themselves in the near future.

Don't put that thought in my head mate :(

[–]hawkeaglejesus5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

the pool of guys that don't have children/have a steady job/looking for a relationship is just so slim

Female solipsism. "There's nothing wrong with me, it's the lack of men that's the problem!"

When the truth is there are plenty of men like that. You're just undesireable to them. Why would I want a moldy loaf of bread that's been on the shelf for 15 years when there's a fresh batch coming out of the bakery every single day?

Their fragile egos cannot accept the fact that they're no longer the choosers.

[–]Five_Decades1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any man who can pass the checklist of traits that women in their 30s and 40s have to determine if a man is good enough for them is a man who can do far better than those women. Women never seem to figure this out. If he is 'good enough' for the modern middle aged women, he probably has options with women who are younger, prettier, thinner, nicer, better educated and childless.

Its like if I were high school educated with a below average work ethic but wanted a job that paid 100k and offered 8 weeks of vacation. Jobs like that exist, they are rare, and people far more qualified and desirable as employees than I end up getting them.

[–]ghostbrainalpha5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love the third top comment.

"Bitch get in line, just date men in their 40's"

Life could still be easy as fuck for this woman if she could curb her ever increasing expectations.

I bet those 40 year olds were awesome to date when you were 18, and they were 28.

[–]irapejokes5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Holy Jesus Christ the whiteknighting in that thread.

[–]Tarnsman4Life5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Date me, I am 36 and like women my own age" ....and I work at starbucks and I am 50 lbs overweight with balding greasy hair.

The thirst is real

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she wants commitment there it is. The reality is that 15 years from now she may have a tough time getting him.

[–]YourDreamsWillTell15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jealous broads don't recognize the reality that we will be smashing young pussy long after they've hit their prime. Honestly, I believe this is the trade off counteracting the ease with which women can obtain sex in their youth. Of course, these are just generalities.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is something all women know. They talk about it. They will never admit it's jealousy.

It's not a lack of self awareness.. it's intentional deception.

But... some people say suspect ignorance before malice. But I'm fresh out of benefit of the doubt's to give.

[–]JackGetsIt3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's just plain safer to assume malice before ignorance. It will protect you from getting fucked over.

[–]Canttakethewhyfromme9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"In my twenties, there were lots of guys I could see myself dating". I'm sure many of those guys were in their 30s and wasn't an issue for her. LOL - female logic.

[–]1WeedDaddy40 points41 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

If you stay healthy and play your cards right, 30s is an amazing time to slay pussy and meet quality girls

Your competition are not other 30-somethings but the frat bros and other popular young men. If you didn't compare to them in your 20's, you're even less likely to do so in your 30's.

Where are the "quality girls" going to come from? They are the late teens and early 20's women who are already tightly locked in social circles of their age-matched male peers.

There's a lot of unfounded optimism, a version of the Just World fallacy where your tribulations would be rewarded in old age. A 30+ y.o. man is going to need much more than muscles and a middle-class income to fuck young attractive women.

[–]trippinallday38 points39 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Chicks very clearly dig older dudes, and dudes very clearly dig younger chicks. Yeah the social aspect might be hard, but once she can drink legally and she's having a girls night out at the bar every weekend, it isn't that difficult. Chicks want men, not boys, so when it's between some scrawny broke 18 year old and a ripped 30 year old who's got cash, you know who she's gonna pick.

[–]helpicantstop30 points31 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

quality women

hanging out at bars with the girls

Absolutely and forever only pick one

[–]trippinallday11 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Depends on what the quality is for. Maybe not if you're looking to wife her up but in terms of sex it's another story.

[–]helpicantstop6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No one ever described a quality woman as one who was easy to bang though. Those are two completely different things.

[–]trippinallday3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Obviously the bar example was just that, an example, and you chose to zone in on the inherent flaws with said example.

Let me ask you this, do you think the quality women are going to be shooting for frat bros or older, fitter, richer guys who have their shit together?

[–]helpicantstop-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

False dichotomy, quality girls have more options than fraternity brothers and rich older men. Between those two it's a toss up. I'm neither a frat boy, nor an older gentleman, so I can't say how many quality women those men attract.

[–]trippinallday2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's not a false dichotomy considering we're literally discussing whether quality 18-21 year old chicks are going to be dating 30+ older men or their age-matched peers. If I was trying to wife up some quality women, I would be looking for the chicks trying to date old successful dudes, not the ones getting a train run on them by Alpha Sigma Phi.

[–]helpicantstop2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, it is a false dichotomy, because she has more than 2 options. She could date a gdi, she could date a guy her age from church, she could date any number of guys who aren't in fraternities, and aren't wealthy older men.

[–]tuzki0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They never date down until they have to.

What 'up' is depends on them and more largely, their close friends and peers.

[–]FairlyNaive5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

3-5 years older, not 13-15 usually. And not all 20 year old dudes are fat and broke btw.

[–]trippinallday10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

When I was a kid I knew girls at 13 dating 18-19 year old guys. Obviously any dating at 13 isn't remotely serious but even though that's only 5/6 years difference at that age it's pretty significant. Once they hit 21 age is relatively much less of an issue, and certainly less than the aforementioned example even if they are 15 years apart.

I'm very aware that not every single dude ever in the world at 20 is gonna be fat (I said scrawny???) and broke, I made a generalization. However, a large majority of guys at 20 are certainly going to be unfit and broke. They just got out of high school, they're barely post-puberty, and they're probably in college, so money is not going to be abundant and their body hasn't been at a point for very long where they can get a huge chest and a nice V shape and such. Most of them are still trying to figure their lives out so most of them probably haven't been working out and eating proper. Someone at 30 however has had more time to get their shit together, and provided they've been working hard on themselves and their careers, are going to be leaps and bounds ahead of a 20 year old, not to mention the fact that they're a little older.

Who's gonna give her the tingles, some alcoholic college bro or Mr. Grey?

[–]FairlyNaive5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, if you outclass all her peers by a huge margin in every way possible you will succed, but that would be despite your age, not because of it. And Mr. Grey is 27 btw.

[–]PaulAJK0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm guessing you're still at uni and see older guys crashing and burning as they try to pick up college girls. Once you move on from that scene there's a totally different dymamic going on.

[–]FairlyNaive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, Im actually not at uni. But I would really like to hear your perspective on what it looks like after it.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

A 30+ y.o. man is going to need much more than muscles and a middle-class income to fuck young attractive women.

I'm 30, have neither of those things, and regularly see girls 18-21.

[–]timpham2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

How do you manage to meet those girls?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Tinder. I'm very good looking, have decent idgaf/have fun frame.

[–]timpham2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So it's the good looking part that counts.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Looks and game probably 50/50. Before I learned game I could only easily lay the fatties and the uglies.

[–]Ifuckinglovepron9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

As a guy in my 30's: What I may lack in looks and youth against 20 year old frat bros is pretty easily made up for by experience, game, and ability to do things. (Like knowing places to go to for a good time that are not limited to "my parents beach house but dont touch the good liquor. Women crave NEW experiences.)

Sure you gotta accept that you aren't gonna win every young chick, but it is usually the slightly shyer more prudish ones ( prudish among her slut peers I.e. Higher quality) that are more interested in older men.

Also I am probably in better physical shape now than in my 20's and look younger than I am so YMMV.

Also if you are just looking for a plate it is way easier since you just accept she is ALSO fucking those young frat bros, but if you cant get past that idea, well go back to learning AWALT.

[–]FreeRadical54 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What I may lack in looks and youth

The decline should've been negligible so far if you've been taking care of your health. You have to realize, women dig mature "handsome" looks much more than youthful fresh cuteness. That's a trait men value much much more heavily for obvious biological reasons.

As a guy in his late 20s who has always been complimented on his looks, people closest to me (family, parents, etc) seem to think I used to look cuter but the attention from girls in their prime (18-25) has gone through the roof over the last few years as my looks have matured a bit.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse_1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

At 26 I'm banging 19 year olds pretty easily. Lots of 20-something plates I've had recount experiences with men 40+.

I understand where you're coming from and the old guy pedestalization here does turn into a pathetic cope for some guys, but I don't think it's that hard.

[–]nsareadsmyemails0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is this through social circle or mostly online dating?

[–]PaulAJK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A 30+ y.o. man is going to need much more than muscles and a middle-class income to fuck young attractive women.

Outside of college circles it's waaaaay easier.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

These posts are always absolutely fantastic. Nature can sometimes be karma incarnate.

[–]PabloEscoba3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what chasing tingles does to women. They literally ruin their own lives and only wake up when its too late and STILL keep doing things that wont help their cause.. "We cant heeelp who we are attractteeed tooooo!!! mweeeeeeee"

[–]HandsomeCub2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"30s is a good time to slay pussy"

FUCK YA! I feel like i missed out in my 20s. How weird is it though to go out clubbing and bar hopping in your 30s though?

[–]MyLittleAtomBomb7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she doesn't offer the kitten don't buy the cat.

[–]1PantsonFire12346 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking funny right. When men were in their early teens it were always the women dating older guys. I know tons of girls my age that have dated and still date older. This one year in high school virtually any girl in my class had a much older boyfriend. All the chicks were getting laid and all the guys were drooling, getting none. Being 16-18 as a guy leaves little wiggle room to date younger girls. So you're basically sitting dry while your female friends are building up sexual experience.

And now that the tables have been reversed and these young girls are doing the exact same shit they themselves were doing in their youth. Now these old hags get upset. Not even realizing the irony. Fucking funny.

[–]maniclurker2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

On the subject of paying for dates...

I've recently moved out of the traditional mindset of paying for dates. Obvious reasons should be obvious. I'm just not sure how to breach the subject with ladies before going out.

Any suggestions?

[–]The1WhoCsAll5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes. Pay for the first date. Make it a cheap one. A day date for ice cream and a walk thru the park to hang outside and talk and watch dogs playing and shit. U know the setting. Next date, invite her over for dinner at your place. If she pulls back because she doesn't want to go to your place yet, then go out where she wants to go... But when the bill comes you go Dutch. If she leaves because of this, then she was an entitled brat who was going to be a problem down the road anyways. If she asks why she should pay on a date tell her "I enjoy spending time with you, so I don't mind spending money on occasion to do so. Are you saying I'm not worth the same thing to you?"

[–]maniclurker0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm a little more forthright. I'd rather let them know up front, not at the time of the bill. It's something I feel strongly about.

[–]The1WhoCsAll0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's two ways about this: if this is a test of her mindset, then ask how she feels about going Dutch next time. If this is just you telling her how it's going to be, then just tell her you'd like to start going Dutch on dates declaratively. If she asks why just use my previous post about enjoying time with her. If she throws a tantrum you already know what to do

[–]talcobh0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If she asks why she should pay on a date tell her "I enjoy spending time with you, so I don't mind spending money on occasion to do so. Are you saying I'm not worth the same thing to you?"

Damnn I'm using that line from now on

[–]The1WhoCsAll3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you and I hope you do. It's really bulletproof unless she's ready to admit out loud that she's a bum bitch

[–]HandsomeCub0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Saved. this is perfect thank you. The more common place this is to women the better.

[–]Limekill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just don't go to restaurants.

Drinks date first, then coffee date, etc.

If she wants to go to restaurant just tell her that you go dutch, if shes into you she will not care.

[–]esperanzablanca2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

invite her to your place, cook yourself, have some wine... WIN

[–]Fnaut31872 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Guys, I suggest you take a look at comments in the okcupid thread. It's really funny!

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

like I've told young angry men on here - dating, and life in general, isn't fair

Maybe not, but karma is real. The fact that guys peak in SMV when they're older is sweet revenge on all the women that passed them over when they rode the CC in their 20s. Nothing gets women more angry than seeing the guys they want dating a younger, hotter version of themselves.

[–]AnonymousAndLovinIt2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Nah. I don't feel sorry for any postwall woman "

I have to say I do. They've been brainwashed, the only chance they had was to be raised in a sort of "traditional" family. Like the BPers and betas.

[–]Sicci4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, remember when us men where 16-20 and the "high-end" girls were only dating 27+ years old guys ? Yeah, suck it.

[–]frankiejholden4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

30+ can be a lot of fun for guys if they look after themselves and have managed to progress in their chosen career.

However even sex with randoms can get boring after a while. Not to say you should shack up with anyone. However much can be said for a man who, by 30, has found his mission in life and is diligently working towards it. There's gotta be something more, cause shit gets empty.

[–]JackGetsIt5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

cause shit gets empty

This. Even with good progress on life missions you can get bored with random sex. There's no shame in seeking an LTR if that's what floats your boat. Personally I'm on plate spinning mode but I don't shame men that seek LTR's; I just advise them to choose wisely who they LTR.

[–]Steve_Wiener1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

being on top of the game from 16-28 isn't enough I guess

[–]ecosci1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The tidal wave is coming and it will drown all these used up sluts because society has gave men a peek at how women work we have to be thankful for feminism because the laws of marriage are not hidden from us they have been trying to tell us themselves stop marrying women, she will cheat and get rewarded you dumb ass but men dont listen and the state takes advantage of blue pill men who didnt wake up soon enough ltr will be a thing of the past which will cause women to use logic to survive but its too late men always evolve but i think big daddy punishes men for the sake of helping us, guys have to be smarter and dont save post cc riders let them drown and die please.

[–]HandsomeCub0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am sharing this sentiment for the first time in my life. I am now as fickle as the women were in my 20s, as ive accepted how worthless the typical woman is by their own standards.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The funniest thing she'll hamster her way out of taking accountability for her problems. Nothing to see here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The battle of the sexes is over.. We both loss, although we can enjoy the benefits of getting laid frequently if we put in the work.. Which the redpill is a great place to get the blueprints..

However, if you want to get married and have a family, as men we are at a huge disadvantage. If your main goal is just having sex with attractive women, there really isn't a better time culturally, also the huge advantage technologically.

[–]summersss1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's the thing. Yes the women post wall, are the girls that rejected but the younger girls that you are now able to date, are still those same girls. Its kinda depressing.

[–]Dean_Winchester361 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny. A lot of the guys Im into are in their mid 30s. Thats a 15 year age difference

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love the post, and the poetic justice of the harsh reality post-wall women who frivolously divorce or wreck former good relationships face.

Although this point:

"Then women like OP will be begging to give you a blowjob"

I wish it were so, and I can see in some cases where that would be true, but the types of wall/post-wall women I've seen are the types with internal issues and honestly not that great at entrapping a man with sex.

Honestly when I think back to the post-wall women I knew (before I raised my SMV and started with younger women) I recall very few who are really worth a damn at sex or would bother trying more than average.

Can't speak for everybody but I was very dissapointed with them in that regards. It's counter-intuitive, but that's how many post-wall women are: difficult, personal baggage, and "meh".

My $.02.

[–]casemodsalt-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

30 year old here

Just fucked the shit out of a 23 year old petite chick last night. Met her on tinder.

30 year old girls are boring as fuck on tinder. Always look like they never have any fun. Always just hiking and dog walking and shit. Boooooring.

[–]Totsean0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Same age here, I pick from 18-24 max.

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

tag-teamed by Jorge and Raoul

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/8182540

[–]SunshineBlotters0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

land a good job

Out of curiosity what salary would you say is a good job (for someone to live in the city)

[–]notadaddy 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm just gonna throw this number out since I think it's a good number for a single male. $75,000

[–]SunshineBlotters0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not too far from that as it is. Good to know. Thank you.

[–]jasonmiles20140 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hitting the wall harder than Gordon Smiley.

[–]_Trigglypuff_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Except for the ugly nerds and short guys of course, haha, but they don't count

Something bothering you OP? Do you have to trawl reddit for post-wall posts to satisfy your revenge fantasies?

Anger phase much?

[–]goodguy850 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men date women they're attracted to. As she is older and less attractive, she has lost value. She needs to date older men to whom she is more valuable.

Women need to understand that they're pieces of meat and pieces of meat age and go bad.

[–]Wycked_x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Was that on the Tom Leykis show? Because inheard that segment and it brought tears to my eyes of how funny that was.

[–]garlicextract0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In my 20s I opened my legs for all the Bretts and Brads of the world. I even had a threesome once, it was so empowering! (Except for the ugly nerds and short guys of course, haha, but they don't count)"

why yall always shitting on short dudes in this sub

[–]brooklynisburnin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women have plastic surgery, we have TRT, so unfair it's hilarious, thank god for modern medicine.

[–]tolerantman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men start life at hard mode, and die in hard mode

Women start in easy, get at extremely easy, then it becomes hard

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True. But class issues & population homogeny often have " certain similarities".

[–]AdamJonhson0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, in the same way that it was difficult for me when I was young, partly because women lied to me about what they wanted (in order to exploit me for attention and resources) and partly because I was competing with older, richer, more experienced men. Now that I'm an older, richer, more experienced myself man I am supposed to turn down my fair share of young hotties in favour of some bitter older women who wants to tie down my current and future resources with a legally enforced contract and baby obligation? They must be insane if they think that's gonna swing.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women in their 30s are actually not that desperate. They've often been pumped and dumped so thoroughly that they've finally connected the dots and have learned that casual sex leads to their suffering. The only desperate girls out there are basically fat chicks but you still have to have a significantly higher SMV than them (usually not hard).

[–]Limekill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes and no.

They are initially desperate to tie a successful alpha down. Then their biological clock starts ticking and then they get more and more desperate to tie down a successful beta.

[–]1Entropy-70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

significantly younger +5 years

That's funny. I date women 5 years younger than her and I am 15 years older than her.

[–]Fakcount0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

u can hate me now!!!! 42yo, my LTR gf is 32 ( been together for 11years now)

[–]Grimsterr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You too can become a man like this if you work out, land a good job, improve your charm, and learn some solid game.

Forgot the part about getting a vasectomy!

[–]roskybosky0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

"Men age like wine" is a myth perpetuated by men-kinda like "size doesn't matter." How you take care of yourself (regardless of gender) determines who will be attracted to you. I know RP guys can't wait for the satisfaction of seeing the women who turned them down, age. But most women look their best from 35-45. I would say after 50, you have to really be vigilant about your looks. I am female, and the older I got, the more men, mostly younger, asked me out. I married a younger man at 40, had 3 kids, and was wearing a bikini at age 46. I honestly don't know where the girls come from who are described on RP. Most women I know are very driven to improve themselves, don't bother with superficial crap, and have healthy relationships with the guys they date. Young men see very little gender differences-I see it in my son's friends and the way that they easily have female friends. RP needs to find a way to view females positively, as they really are, just the way they are searching for a way to be positive men. I must add that in the past, it was not accepted to have sex before marriage, so in a different time this idea of "getting laid" didn't exist. The entire pastime of RP would be impossible, except for prostitutes and a few women. No one likes wimpy men, OR wimpy women. That's your message, and it's nothing new.

[–]Five_Decades1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

A 40 year old woman is not at her peak. By that age she has seen her fertility reduced by 70%. It'll be 90% gone by age 45 and 100% gone by age 49.

People are attracted to partners who can provide them with the most offspring, the highest quality offspring and offspring that will survive to adulthood and then procreate effectively themselves. Why do we want this? Because everyone who didn't want this went extinct in our evolutionary time line.

If woman A is three times more fertile than woman B, then woman A will be more attractive. Age wise, that is comparing a 22 year old to a 39 year old.

Not only that, the older a woman is the fewer years of fertility she has left. A man can't start a family with a forty year old, she may be infertile by the time they are ready. When you factor in the fact that a 22 year old has 20 years of fertility left, but a 40 year old has a handful, the 22 year old is arguably ten times more fertile.

Men aren't going to chase women who are only 10% as fertile.

[–]roskybosky0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You leave out personality, chemistry, likes and dislikes, and everything that makes a good relationship. Men are not attracted to ovaries, they are attracted to a person. Sometimes you fall in love and it doesn't matter if you can have kids or not. You want that person regardless. Oh, I had 3 children after the age of 40-all very successful and lovely.

[–]Five_Decades0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are not attracted to ovaries, they are attracted to a person

Get two women

  1. Young, thin, conventionally attractive 21 year old
  2. Fat, ugly 53 year old

See which one gets more male attention if you believe that.

By a woman's 40s her fertility is about 80% lower than her early 20s.

https://ongettingpregnant.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/female-fertility-chart.gif

[–]roskybosky0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Since when are men so keen on having babies? That whole focus is a good theory, but it is only a theory. Men are attracted to women, and a certain kind of woman can be a perfect fit for your personality. Forgive me, but someone older is so much more wise and laid back then a 20 year old. I was a 20-year-old also, I know how it is when you're still a baby. I know this forum likes to think female opportunity coincides with that female's appearance, and rp seems to cherish the idea of anyone over 35 having a slim choice of men. But honestly, from the heart, men go by the age you appear to look or seem, not by your actual age. If you look at life the way it really is, and not through the lens of a contrived 'theory' you'll see that, yes, age is important, but it's not the ultimate deciding factor.

[–]Five_Decades0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Since when are men so keen on having babies?

The men who weren't keen on having babies that survived into adulthood aren't our ancestors. Our ancestors are men and women who wanted to have as many healthy children as possible that grew up to reach reproductive age and be successful at mating themselves.

Also I've met more than enough women in person who verify that the attention they get declines with age. As it should, fertility and years remaining until menopause decline with age. The older a woman gets, the fewer years of reproduction she has left and the lower her odds of getting pregnant, plus the higher the odds the child will be unhealthy.

Men will never find a 54 year old woman as physically and sexually attractive as an 18 year old woman. They may find her emotionally and cognitively attractive as a partner, but they will never view her as anywhere in the same league as a physical and sexual specimen.

[–]youngspeech0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How people behave depends on your location. I guess for the USA TRP is pretty accurat. I live in East Germany in a Medium Town. I see lots of girls who work on their career and body. Some are more sexual promiscutive. TRP means know+improve your value and dont buy damaged goods ;)

[–]sadbasturd99-4 points-3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Haha you young guys, thinking women hit a wall at 30. They are still exactly the same at 30. The wall is more around 45 or 50.

[–]graffix135 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Huh? The Wall is both physical and biological. Physically because a woman's looks start to decline post-30 (there are exceptions, of course); Biological because their hormones and 'clock' starts gearing up for them to produce babies, so they get desperate.

I don't know how old you are, but I'm 39 and women definitely hit The Wall at 30.

[–]sadbasturd995 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am 42 and women in their 30s still treat me as thought I am worthless to them. And they are still waiting for their Benedict Cumberbatch. Maybe they hit some wall biologically but I do not think i thas any effect at all on their minds. They still believe they are the world that all revolves around. And that men are little puppy dogs for their amusement.

[–]droden-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So hit the gym improve yourself skill and hobby wise and watch their train wrecks / pokecat collecting with mild amusement.

[–]The1WhoCsAll2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's for the ones that stay in shape. The ones relying on genetics don't make it past 30 in my opinion

[–]Seoul_Brother2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hell where my hometown is, some of the hottest girls in highschool/ college in my state hit their wall around 23-25. Sad story, but some of these girls peak at 18-21 and burn themselves out quick.

I say you see women hit their wall later if they live in places that demand some form of SMV competition. LA, NYC, Chicago, etc. Metropolitan areas where the dating pool is much larger/ where there are tons of branch swinging opportunities have women working harder, longer to keep from hitting the wall to fuel their hypergamy for a much longer time.

Small town girls that stay in small towns branch swing until they find the best option to catch themselves a BB or convert an AF to BB early, then deteriorate so quickly they hit post wall, have kids at 21, etc. and then complain to their husbands about how fat they got.

[–]thisornothing0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's more of a psychological thing, too. Women in their thirties find it harder to date, because there's that unspoken understanding that if they want kids (which they almost definitely do) then they have to lock that shit down in the next couple of years. What man wants to throw himself into a relationship where a woman is pushing for pregnancy/marriage within a couple of years? Barely any. So, men date women in their thirties less. Women in their thirties become more desperate.

It's not just based on looks, but that unspoken understanding of what a woman's biological position in life is at that age.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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