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Red Pill TheoryTake ownership of your women (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP VanguardArchwinger

If you want to have sex with women, you have to make sex appealing to them. Because women have a lot of choices and only so much time and energy they can give to you.

Like all humans, every woman you encounter only has 24 hours in the day to spend, and only a certain amount of physical and emotional energy to devote to any particular task. For example, you wouldn’t expect a high-powered career woman to have much time to be a good mother, keep a good house, fuck her husband six times a day, or even be emotionally available to her husband for more than a few token minutes each night. You wouldn’t expect a single mother, whose first obligation is to her child(ren), to have nearly as much time and energy to devote to being a good partner as a woman who isn’t similarly burdened.

We all have our jobs, our families, our friends, our obligations, our hobbies – shit to do. And the more shit we have to do, the less time and energy we have for other shit.

This means that if you want a woman who is one hundred percent devoted to the satisfaction of your dick, you need a woman who doesn’t have any other shit to do. Obviously, this theoretical ideal doesn’t exist in the real world, but the general principle applies: The more you lean on your woman in other capacities (and the more you let her run amuck inventing other work for herself), the worse job she will do at being your woman.

If you try to be friends with your woman, that’s just less time she’ll have to be a good woman. Many married men and guys in committed relationships start to spend all of their time with their women. They lose touch with their friends. Often, their women actually insist on this, and the guys buckle, give up their friends, give up their hobbies, give up their outings, give up their alone time, and start spending every waking moment doting on their women. This is a huge mistake. Having guy friends and independent shit to do is critically important. I know that men are often touted as stoic, emotionless, angry assholes who never get lonely, but that’s bullshit. Humans are social creatures, and if you don’t have any friends, you’re going to start talking to your wife or girlfriend about what’s going on in your life and how you feel about those things. It’s only natural.

If you don’t have friends and independent interests, you’re going to start using your woman as a friend and primary social outlet, and that’s emotionally draining for her. The more you lean on her as a friend, the less time and emotional energy she’s going to have to be your woman. Your woman’s job is to be a repository for your dick, not your words and feelings. Women don’t want to be the dumping ground where you moan about your day, your troubles, and your worries. That’s what your friends are for. Or your dog. The more you use her as your friend, the less you can use her for fucking.

Many men are shitty leaders. They don’t take ownership of their shit and get their lives, and the lives of their women (and children if applicable), in order. They often use their women as secretaries and social planners. Once a relationship is in place, guys get lazy, and the women start planning the events and outings, deciding who to hang out with, what needs to be taken care of around the house or apartment, and so on. It’s become a bit of a trope for women to assign their men a honey do list, because their men are lazy, disorganized chumps who don’t take care of anything unless nagged into it. Most guys just don’t have any pride or initiative any more.

When your woman is your secretary, your social planner, your employee, or maybe even your boss, she’s too busy managing shit and keeping track of shit and taking care of shit to do a good job being your woman. If you take care of that shit instead, your woman can focus on being your woman and taking care of your dick. Women are limited. They can’t handle the stress of two roles in a day.

If you’re constantly gushing your feelings and pouring your heart out to your woman, you’re making yourself a very unfair burden. It’s your job to attend to your feelings and your happiness, not hers. Making yourself happy is your own job. If she has to tend to your feelings and make you feel better when you’re down, like a little child, then she’s your mommy. And there just isn’t enough time and energy in the world for her to be both your mommy and your woman. Her job is to tend to your dick, not your feelings.

The more you try to use women for anything other than sex, the less sex you’re going to have, and the shittier the sex will be. A woman can only relax and become truly passionate when she feels safe. Yes, that’s something a feminist would say. I know. But to an extent, it’s true. However, we at The Red Pill know what actually makes a girl feel safe, and it’s not flowers, expensive restaurants, and obtaining written permission before pecking her on the cheek. A woman feels safe when she feels owned. Led. Like she doesn’t have to worry about anything because her man has all of life’s shit under control, and the tools to handle any unexpected shit that comes his way.

She doesn’t have to be his friend – he has plenty. She doesn’t have to tend to his feelings – he knows what he wants and makes himself happy, and even brings her along sometimes. She doesn’t have to manage his life – he manages hers. A woman feels safe when she’s well-led.

It’s important to note that leadership goes beyond basic self-improvement and being a badass. You have to actually lead her. If you have the greatest and happiest life imaginable and don’t need her for anything but sex, yet you don’t lead her, she’s just going to invent a bunch of bullshit to keep herself busy, and convince herself that it’s important. That’s how badass guys somehow end up with stupid bitches who can’t put their cell phones down for two seconds, own ugly dogs that they treat like people, get drunk with their slutty friends every weekend, and work suspiciously late hours at their part time office jobs. If you don’t control your woman, she runs around doing stupid shit to feel important.

When dealing with shitty men, women are bitchy. They set boundaries and impose rules and requirements prior to sex. They find other things to do with their lives and prioritize those other things over their men.

When dealing with awesome men, women practically beg to be owned like property. They just use whatever modern egalitarian words correspond to that concept, and pretend it’s just a sexual kink, because actually admitting that you prefer being a slave to an awesome man is sacrilege in the modern world.

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[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine 65 points66 points  (14 children)

A woman feels safe when she feels owned. Led. Like she doesn’t have to worry about anything because her man has all of life’s shit under control, and the tools to handle any unexpected shit that comes his way.

It's important to emphasize that it doesn't matter if you actually have everything under control - to a woman, perception is far more important than reality.

If you're a fit, financially successful bad-ass, but you're always talking about your upcoming bills, your woman is going to resent you. Likewise, if you're barely scraping by every month but you manage to keep cool and collected (read: hold frame), she'll think you're the greatest person in the world.

It’s important to note that leadership goes beyond basic self-improvement and being a badass. You have to actually lead her. If you have the greatest and happiest life imaginable and don’t need her for anything but sex, yet you don’t lead her, she’s just going to invent a bunch of bullshit to keep herself busy, and convince herself that it’s important.

Can you elaborate? What specifically do you mean by leading? I understand that it's important to have your shit together before you bring women into the equation, but are you implying that, as a man, I should be doing anything more than living my life and just letting her come along for the ride? I feel like I'm missing something.

Essentially, what does this:

If you don’t control your woman, she runs around doing stupid shit to feel important.

mean, if not verbally enforcing rules and boundaries, which I am pretty sure you don't mean.

[–]pcadrian 43 points43 points [recovered]

Here's what leading looks like to me. You invite her over and you're cooking some sort of meal for the two of you. She's now your sous-chef. You have her wash veggies, etc, chop whatever, basically handle basic things that will make your life easier.

Another example is teaching her a new skill (lifting, etc). You have to think like this: how would you teach her something if she was your daughter? Patience, persistence, positive reinforcement, staying calm if she makes mistakes (so that she will stay calm and not give up), encouragement. That's how you lead her.

Planning a date - that's also another opportunity to lead her. Tell her what you want her to wear, bring $10 cash, be ready at 6pm. Don't give her any other details. You're the man and you're going to create an experience that will be thrilling and exciting for her. Even if it's something simple like going for a walk by the lakes, then having a picnic there, this will be terribly exciting for her. You are telling her exactly the things she needs to take care of (that's you leading), so she can relax and take in the experience.

[–]JackGetsIt 35 points36 points  (3 children)

so she can relax and take in the experience.

This is a great example of what women basically want. They want to relax and take in a fun experience their whole life.

[–]Bearhardy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

clears throat girls just wanna have fuun

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Can you elaborate? What specifically do you mean by leading? I understand that it's important to have your shit together before you bring women into the equation, but are you implying that, as a man, I should be doing anything more than living my life and just letting her come along for the ride? I feel like I'm missing something.

Essentially, what does this:

If you don’t control your woman, she runs around doing stupid shit to feel important.

mean, if not verbally enforcing rules and boundaries, which I am pretty sure you don't mean.

It means delegate tasks to your bitch so she feels like she's doing something meaningful.

Women have no idea how to be useful, either to themselves or to the men they want to surrender their eggs to. If you want a bitch to do her part in bringing some happiness to your life (instead of just being a constant drain), you need to give her instructions. Assign her tasks and reward her when she complies. Be her captain.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 16 points17 points  (0 children)

It's like when a kid wants to help despite the fact they'd be more in the way than of assistance. You make up some shit they can do, like hold a flashlight or hand you tools. Though they did nothing special, they feel special and useful.

[–]joey_2000 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Bad leadership would be letting your woman influence the direction of your relationship more than you do.

If you fail to take the relationship in any direction, your woman will take this role, and she will hate it. She doesn't want to decide what social events to attend, she just wants to fuck you in the bathroom at said event.

[–]theneoroot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's important to emphasize that it doesn't matter if you actually have everything under control - to a woman, perception is far more important than reality.

Hence the importance of keeping your problems to yourself in relationships.

[–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point  (2 children)

to a woman, perception is far more important than reality.

This is also why their shitty studio apartments are filled with new ikea shit, incense diffusers and throw pillows everywhere.

[–]THE__USURPER 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What is wrong with a studio apartment? I have a nice studio apartment.

[–]americanjoe2300 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nothing is wrong with studio apartments

[–]Don_Keydick -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I was also very confused by this. By my understanding, when you live your own amazing exciting under control life, by having her join you in your life, you are leading right? So, Her joining you in your bad ass life = Leading her?

[–]JackGetsIt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's only a temporary happiness for women to join you on your journey. They want the boat to go somewhere and they often complain about the path and the voyage. If you allow her to do any of those two things you're not leading. It doesn't matter if you are tiger woods or fresh college grad living in a studio apartment. A women who joins your journey will always be expecting an improving position in life.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 175 points176 points  (76 children)

A woman feels safe when she feels owned.

Had a girlfriend for a few months that I ran screaming from, but this resonated with me.

Sex was awesome, perfect, always hot. Then she drops this bomb on me. "When are we getting married and having kids?" I said um...no idea. We just started dating. She then argues with me and basically tries to get me to hit her, which I did not.

This bothered me for a while after I dumped her. She had complained incessantly that her ex husband had been abusive, controlling, etc. A few years later she tries to catch up, and I'm cold, but still curious, so I ask her why would she try to goad me into hitting her when her ex was abusive.

She dropped this bombshell: "I felt like whenever he hit me that he cared...if he ignored my screaming, that meant he didn't care..."

[–][deleted] 147 points148 points  (3 children)

I believe the saying is that the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference.

Women make this abundantly clear. They don't hate low value men, they just don't notice them.

[–]ajlunis 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Holy shit. Thank you, that explains so much. I don't know why I never thought of that saying in this context.

[–]25russianbear25 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They don't hate low value men, they just don't notice them

this is beyond true... so much pity and wallowing can be saved if guys realized this

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I always read through the comment sections on TRP posts for gems like these.

[–]1-drukpa-kunley- 58 points59 points  (2 children)

Patrice O'Neal called women like this "Brackish Bitches".

He argued that they were just like fish used to living in brackish water. You take the fish and put them in nice clean water and they die.

Edit: The takeaway from this is to learn to recognize brackish bitches from their behavior, and don't expect anything more from them than they are capable of.
i.e. never wife up a ho.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Lmao damn I miss that dude..

[–]iAngeloz 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He was a fucking amazing comedian

[–]KartagoPill 29 points30 points  (15 children)

She explained pretty logical.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 67 points68 points  (14 children)

Women can be amazingly honest when they're trying to get you back.

[–]beachbbqlover 22 points22 points [recovered]

Amazingly honest. I heard so much RP truth from an ex it made my head spin.

[–]Sementeries 9 points10 points  (12 children)

For the sake of the noobies, what were some of those RP truths?

[–]beachbbqlover 30 points30 points [recovered]

Okay, a bunch of story;

During an argument, she said that "maybe we should separate" hoping to dread me. I calmly went quiet and left her two weeks later, found another girlfriend, and moved out/in with the new girlfriend by a month after that argument.

At that point, her entire game changed and she went full panic. She cycled from destroying my bicycle, to threatening my new girlfriend, to offering herself as my slave, to lying, to setting me up to encounter a marine she fucked once two days before the set up.

Told her she isn't winning anything by destroying my stuff, and it's coming out of her share of our bank accounts.

I put on Madagascar and watched it over beer with the marine, and he left graciously. Don't think he knew the setup.

Since I passed all of her shit-tests, she alpha widowed big time, and she would send me videos 5 years after we separated.

  • She told me that she never figured she had to try to keep me.

  • She told me she would do anything to win (competing with girlfriend)

  • She told me she only cheated to try to make me come back (if competition works on her, does it work on me? Create value)

  • She offered to let me stay at home with my daughter and she would work (She later said she wanted me to depend on her)

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You were the one and only man she's ever dated armed with RedPill knowledge - THAT is the difference. Damn, this stuff is powerful.

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag 4 points5 points  (7 children)

i don't get the marine guy and what the setup was. can you elaborate?

[–]beachbbqlover 24 points24 points [recovered]

Roughly 4-5 weeks after we separated, she fucked a marine. A day or three after that, he was invited over (with his buddy, they always move in pairs on leave in Okinawa), she left, met me, and had me visit while they were there and she wasn't. I think she expected us to slug it out, or me to get jealous.

Instead there was some nervous talk and defensive posturing for a fight on their part - they could kick my ass and kill me, but the punishment from the public and their superiors would be real for any violence at all. We managed to talk it down, offered them both a beer, put on Madagascar, and had some honest discussion with them. I was earning double what they were, had 2 apartments, another girlfriend, and the ex/girlfriend was still game, and he claimed he didn't know. So I wasn't bitter. By the time the movie was finished, he'd apologized, we'd watched a fun movie, and were good. She then came home, he shook his head at her and they left without saying anything.

She didn't say anything either for about 10-15 minutes. Then she broke down, confessed, told me what and why, and cried.

The only reason I didn't get my ass kicked was because I could legitimately not care, because of real abundance.

[–]SwallowRP 3 points3 points [recovered]

I can't tell how this would have turned out with anyone going for "slug it out" unless all of you were actually retarded.

[–]beachbbqlover 1 point2 points  (2 children)

A fair number of blue pillers would have gone rage-hard or started crying.

[–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. the simple fact they had to have discussions, explanations and excuses is ridicolous.

[–]PaulRocker -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

The fuck does alpha widow mean

[–]sensitiveduck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Once a woman loses her first alpha, she will always want the alpha back no matter how many betas love her unless she gets a bigger alpha in HER eyes.

Woman that experience 'the one that got away' are alpha widows.

5 minutes with an alpha > 5 years with a beta.

[–]2renzy77 25 points26 points  (2 children)

She dropped this bombshell: "I felt like whenever he hit me that he cared...if he ignored my screaming, that meant he didn't care..."

The author of the TRP sidebar article, Sexual Utopia in Power, also wrote about this behavior:

The Question of Female Masochism by F. Roger Devlin:

“If He Doesn’t Hit You, He Doesn’t Love You.” So runs an African proverb. Or a Russian proverb, according to other sources. Or a Bolivian proverb, according to still others. Perhaps it is all three. A similar Latin American saying, “The more you hit me, the more I love you,” turns up over 100,000 hits on Google.

It is hardly a new idea that female sexuality has a masochistic component. Indeed, this seems to be part of the folk wisdom of the world; in other words, it corresponds the observations of many persons of both sexes across many generations.

We are attracted to qualities in the opposite sex which our own sex lacks. For many women, this means an attraction to male brutality. Such women may claim to want a sensitive fellow who is in touch with his feelings, but this bears no relation to their behavior. What women say about men comes from their cerebral cortex; how they choose men depends upon their evolutionary more primitive limbic system.

[–]real-boethius 11 points12 points  (0 children)

"I felt like whenever he hit me that he cared...

I was told this by an Australian Aborigine too. They separated from the rest of humanity tens of thousands of years ago so this stuff runs deep.

[–]aanarchist 8 points9 points  (26 children)

i had a similar experience, she wanted me to beat her and choke her and shit.

it's because her father was abusive, so she equates her father's love with physical violence, so she needs that to feel safe otherwise she has to have the mental breakdown of realizing and accepting that she lived in an extremely toxic household, that her mother enabled her father's abuse, etc etc. it's easier to just find an abuser and continue the cycle than to actually wake up and move on with life in a better direction. it's sick as fuck.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 13 points14 points  (17 children)

I was with a woman that could orgasm by me choking her, spitting in her face, and calling her worthless. Scary to think how her psyche could make those connections.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 9 points10 points  (6 children)

I've had plenty like that. Your example is a bit extreme but mine have all love degradation in the bedroom. No probs. Here it comes you little slut!

[–]RedPistola 1 point2 points  (5 children)

What are good degradation techniques?

[–]helpicantstop 65 points66 points  (2 children)

Make her sit through a long powerpoint presentations about how much better men are than women.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ooof, that's like asking how to cook. Try over at that bdsm subreddit and google of course.

[–]Theophagist 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Scary to think how her psyche could make those connections.

Sounds feminine to me. They all demand to be dominated and controlled, some more than others. This seems like just an extreme case, like preferring extra spicy vs. medium spicy wings.

[–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (3 children)

That's not "extra spicy". That's "now put a turd on my pizza pretty please".

[–]Theophagist 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You haven't seen extreme. That's mild spicy to some.

[–]bluedrygrass 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I know. What i'm saying is that that's not on the same meter of "spicyness". That's something else, is a pervertion, a fetish, not some mild stuff. It's not putting spice, it's putting blood or shit on a pizza.

[–]Theophagist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree. Add blood and shit to the mix IRL and yes I'll be calling for therapy. But the intensity we're discussing is way to common to be called aberrant.

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag 3 points4 points  (1 child)

my last ex of 3 years was into degradation.. so am i though. i used to spit on her and rub it around her face, slap her with my cock really hard, cum on her face and rubbing it all around, verbal and physical abuse was the norm.. even watersports went. great sex all around.

[–]aanarchist 2 points3 points  (1 child)

in her head, she's wasting her time with someone who doesn't love her, if you care so little about her that you won't beat her.

i don't understand it because i grew up in an abusive household, and i don't get turned on at the thought of being beat. literally the opposite i want people in my life especially a woman to be pretty damn nice to me otherwise i'm out.

it makes me wonder if it's like because for me at some point i realized that the woman chooses the man, and it was my mother's responsibility to find a good man to be husband and father. as a man that's like well alright well it just means that by not being abusive i won't attract sick women and not have sick children with her. as a woman experiencing abuse, she'll have to confront that it's on her mother for choosing an abuser, and through that she'll have to confront that it's also her responsibility to choose a good man. women hate agency so it'll make her hamster spin out of control. hell when i explained to my ex how her situation growing up affected her her hamster spun into orbit. she's stuck on the idea that bad shit just happens to her and she's a victim of circumstance, when in reality the hell she lives is 100% of her doing.

men are agents by nature, women are agents by circumstance. rather they just follow the path of least resistance.

funny thing is i'm actually willing to go that far for her if that's what she needs to feel loved, but she has to give me something of equal value in exchange. but she wants it to just be in his nature to beat her, rather than something she negotiates with me for. that would sound so weird in a conversation lol. yes babe i'll beat you, but you have to do something for me first.

[–]Scatterbrain99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have been with few women who loved to be degraded like that and way way more than what you described. And still, that doesn't mean they came from an abusive background. It's not always true.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 20 points21 points  (5 children)

Aaaand this is exactly why my marriage ended when I stopped drinking and started therapy, AA meetings and such. THANKS.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Looks like you got a downvote you didn't deserve. I'm actually writing a book about exactly this right now: when I drank, I was often a not-so-nice, not-so-good person. Couldn't beat the women off with a stick, relationships aplenty. Now that I'm 5+ years sober, went through AA / 12 step, did my life repair etc: nothing. Casual sex with random strangers is still as easy as ever (if not easier, now that I look better), but as for relationships, forget it. They'll fuck you on the first date no problem, but after a week or two, once they realize that you're basically a good guy who has his shit together and his life on track, who is NOT going to start drama, NOT going to scream at her, NOT going to beat her, that's when they're out the door looking for a man who will.

If you're sober and have fixed your life (done all your inventories, amends etc), you (and by "you" I mean "all men") need to come to grips with the fact that you will probably never be in a relationship ever again. One-night stands (maybe a week or two in some cases), perhaps a repeat every now and then, but that's it. When you get sober the drama goes out the door--and so do the female tingles with it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not presenting myself as a good man. I am presenting myself as a troublesome, heartless bad boy, who left wife and 3 kids because of some mysterious reasons. And, I don't drink because "I have drank my share already... and perhaps shares of a few men too". Bitches know what that mean.

I also noticed women love when I have other women (aka plates) - if you know, that you can call 2-3 other girls if she doesn't have time, the subconscious message is very clear, you're more relaxed when you send her a text or talk to her. This is a form of "addiction", something that makes me really not care.

Also... I think I know the role of women and the value of sex in my life, finally. Hint: it is not as important as I thought.

I'd also like to hear how much is your weight and how much is RM of your bench press, dead lift and squat.

Also, I'd like to know where do you meet those women and how old are they. I have a theory that when women see that they have no chance to control you, no chance to have any power in an relationship, they tend to leave or not to enter such relationships. For example, imagine a single mother who looks for beta-bucks.

Do you have a motor bike? If yes, what kind is it?

I think you're doing something wrong. Don't get me wrong - I am not trying to be personal, but I have strong feeling there is something very fucked with your approach. Perhaps you don't have your goal, your life mission, perhaps you pedestalize those girls too much.

I am all for TAKING OWNERSHIP for one's situation.

I'm against blaming circumstances.

EDIT: actually the first plate I got after moving out from ex wife's saw me as a scary man, she actually was afraid of discussing some things because she was afraid how will I react. Not that I show any anger towards her or anything like that. I just have that face of mine. So, I'm a guy who has shit in order, but looks like they don't see me as a "nice guy", that's good. Because I am not.

[–]LarParWar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you need to come to grips with the fact that you will probably never be in a relationship ever again

OR you turn the whole thing into a rigorous, systematized science.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Do yourself a favor and find a non-American woman.

[–]PaulRocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn now that I think about it once Kurt Cobain finally entered rehab he died 4 days later

[–]Stythe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yep. This is it in a nutshell. You have to recognize that what you think is normal is your interpretation and not necessarily reality. A lot of people here I'd assume have, will or should go through similar realizations due to their views on women.

[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

normal is relative, but there's a line between a healthy relationship and someone who is obviously sick.

[–]JackGetsIt 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Women are so desperate for attention and care that being deprived long enough even a hit can be a signal of attention. It's quite dark actually.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know what you're talking about, this is fucking hilarious!

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 7 points8 points  (4 children)

She dropped this bombshell: "I felt like whenever he hit me that he cared...if he ignored my screaming, that meant he didn't care..."

LSE woman, as per "Practical female psychology", screens for abusive males. Abused in childhood, she got release of oxytocin wired to abuse. Basically Stockholm syndrome for life. Nothing to see here, please move along. And, if you have anything to lose like a job or a car or a career or custody GET THE FUCK OUT.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You can't fix these women. If you wish to maintain these girls, you have to treat them like shit and hit them, else they'll leave you for someone else that will. You can't treat them better than they feel they deserve.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed 100%. Or, if you leave them, they will treat themselves like shit. This is why pretty decent guys wonder "how could she leave me for ..." My question, how could she not?

The best deal is to have a well paying job, have a hobby but still maintain a bad boy image in front of women. This is what I do recently and it pays off.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was almost 20 years ago, and I haven't talked to her in many years.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea if you value your life you gotta avoid them.

[–]MID-SHIP 6 points6 points [recovered]

Man, that is sad. No person should have to suffer abuse.

Shows the power of the alpha over the alpha widow

[–]aanarchist 3 points4 points  (1 child)

shows the power of child abuse

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

She had come back to me after she had divorced him the second time. Scary stuff.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

BlackDragon actually writes about that on his blog. Not that you have beaten her or something like that, this has something to do with how those women work, perhaps this is a general trait.

Ex wife started contacting her ex boyfriend she saw 14 years earlier when I started sobering up.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is some world class dented can shit. My god.

[–]Temperfuelmma 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I remember one day I was quite angrily talking with my sister about our (ex military) physically abusive father(used to beat us with his bare hands, sometimes his belt for the littlest shit), she said to me , "I mean, just think of all those parents that don't give a damn if their kids did something bad, we're so lucky to have a dad that cares about us enough to beat us."

(I was 8 and she was 10ish)

[–]CumForJesus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

WTF. The Stockholm Syndrom is real. At 10 she should know better

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's actually a wise thing.

Better to have a father that kick your ass until you walk the red path than someone who doesn't care what you do because he doesn't have half an idea himself.

Then obviously, there's the third type of authoritative, game-aware father that can pass it down without blood, but that's rare.

Ofcourse i know i'm dealing in absolutes and that that could be the worst father ever, just a notation.

[–]logicalthinker1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Goddamn women are fucked up. This shows just how desperate they are for commitment. She would rather be abused then be single.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. Yea thats a woman indeed

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (13 children)

I feel like the gist I got from this was basically treat women like kids. You don't own them, but you take a sort of ownership over them. If the kids didn't have you to guide them, tell them what do, show them what to do to make their lives exciting, they would have no clue. Most women are honestly the same. I couldn't take a guess how many times I've had girlfriends ask me what they should be wearing. When we go out, its always where do I want to go. When we eat its what do I want to eat. She wants that 'safe' feeling that she got from her parents, the all-knowing source of stimulation that gave her direction and made her sure about everything she did because they had their shit together and would protect her if anything went wrong.

Can honestly say I've had some of the best dates in my life when I picked out her outfit, picked the place, told the waiter what to get for her, decided where to go next and when to go back and have sex.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Wouldn't it be awesome if we men, once in damned while, had some old wise guy to personally guide us once in awhile, too? lol

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yep, luckily at 25 I still have my father who's the most Redpill person I've ever met and he doesn't even know what TRP is.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My Pops is almost as beta as they come, unfortunately. He's a good man, but growing up with him as my leader led to so many problems when I crossed over into adulthood. Combine that with the fact I grew up in a cult-like Baptist church that viewed the entire outside world as evil and scary, I had lots of work to do to break out of my shell.

Hell, I'm 32 and I'm still unlearning bad habits and negative traits.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 4 points5 points  (3 children)

it's tiring, I wish they could guide themselves and leave me be for large swaths of time and we meet up for sex. I know I know, might as well accept reality.

[–]Zaorish9 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Make no mistake, being a true dominant is a lot more work and mental effort, even more emotional effort, than being submissive. You have to plan, you have to act a little, you have to consider the perception of your actions.

If you want a reversal of gender roles where females are attracted to males who can't make decisions and have no plans, you'll have to go very far into the erotic fantasy community, far enough where men pretend to be women. It simply cannot be by the laws of our reality.

You have to either abandon the idea of worldly success completely (MGTOW/Neckbeard lifestyle), or commit yourself to doing work. There is no effortless way to be attractive. The middle road, being a moderate slob, as OP states, just results in a shitty gf.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yep, simple facts, thanks for reminder.

[–]redpillfil 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How do you know what to order for your girl at a restaurant? I assume its if you've tried their food before, you already know what's good and what isn't. But what if you're at a restaurant you've never been to before? Do you still order for her then?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of the time when you tell them what place youre going to, you can suggest dishes and what you like and that she should try them, usually she'll be like 'yeah that sounds good!' or she'll tell you if she's allergic to whatever it is etc.

[–]JackGetsIt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And there just isn’t enough time and energy in the world for her to be both your mommy and your woman

The problem is that many women will 'try' to do both (most likely because couples are putting off having kids) and then even they themselves are confused as they start to lose interest when the reason is plain as day: they build resent for being forced to take on the mothering role. A women is attracted to a man who wants her but doesn't need her. Women are attracted to masculine independence.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 8 points9 points  (4 children)

All true.

The more you use her as your friend, the less you can use her for fucking

Any to make it worse... any weakness you show or sympathy she gives you will directly and irrevocably turn her off. A woman cannot be simultaneously aroused for you and sympathetic towards you. And she's not going to switch from sympathetic back to horny either - it's a one-way switch.

[–]hyorilee 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm genuinely curious, if you were in an LTR, where's the balance? I'm sure you cannot be closed off to the point that slay_it_forward stated below can you?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you were in an LTR, where's the balance?

There isn't any balance. She's going to put fuck all in - her contribution is turning up. You are expected to start paying in money or time or emotional support. As soon as you're exclusive, you're on the slippery slope of increased efforts and decreased sex.

Balance... there just isn't any. It's a one sided deal, culminating in a legally binding one sided deal.

Fight it all you like... that's the deal with a LTR.

[–]slay_it_forward 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's one of the most important lessons of TRP - dominance, strength (both physical and social) leadership, violence, ruthlessness. These are the things that activate tingles.

The belief in the bp world is that "good bf traits" will make her want to fuck you. Doing chores, being emotionally available, vulnerable, deep conversations, driving her around, telling her your deep fears, etc etc are things that slam the pussy doors shut.

Question is, do you want to be the good boyfriend that gets little to no (duty) sex, or do you want to be a man who fucks her when he pleases? The frame needs to be established early which one you are.

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

GREAT POST MAN.

Women need the space to be women. they needs to that space to be submissive and feminine. if you start feeling that space with all the day to day shit, feelings and whatever bullshit your life throws at you. she ain't going to feel like a submissive feminine woman if she has to plan out YOUR life too.

[–]Hektik352 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly this is so hard nowadays. You literally cannont take ownship of women, they would rather be single mothers.

[–]boboliboliobli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Save this post, its worth more than reddit gold.

[–]p3n1x 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The more you try to use women for anything other than sex, the less sex you’re going to have,

Are you talking about a specific type of woman? Because this is simply Not True.

A woman kept in a positive emotional state will turn into a "serving" workhorse. The amount of work she can do is dependent upon the work ethic instilled during upbringing.

If she wants to take care of your dick, she will. Regardless of her other responsibilities.

[–]zandd23 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This entire post is pure gold. My GF has even made it explicit: "I like it when you're in control"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Women are commodities. They fluctuate in value.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When dealing with awesome men women also use constant comfort tests, shit tests and mind games in feeble attempts to secure commitment. It is fucking annoying. They will "play" the slave role whilst continuing to agitate and annoy until you next them. That is the best thing about being a powerful man, you can next bitches and just get more whenever you want. Women are still a pain in the ass

[–]redearththeory 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If she has to tend to your feelings and make you feel better when you’re down, like a little child, then she’s your mommy.

There's another very serious problem with doing this. If you need her emotional approval she'll use this to dominate you. Most shit tests are a woman throwing some disapproval at you and seeing if you'll offer compliance/supplication to get the approval back. If you don't rely on her for approval and tell her to fuck off, you've passed the test. If you do need her approval and say "golly gee honey don't be mad I'll load the dishwasher any way you want", test failed, you're beta and her pussy goes dry. And there's a good reason for this. If you need your wife's approval and she can use that to get your compliance, you'll do the same with other men and you'll lose any resources you acquire when someone does exactly the same thing. That's why beta chumps are frequently weaksauce in business as well as with women. The women understand this intuitively and act accordingly. Your woman is not your friend, don't try to make her into one.

[–]1WeedDaddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Although nowadays used as a form of ridicule, there's a lot of merit to the good ole keeping them "barefoot and pregnant".

[–]1Maverick1 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Not sure what your point was here...

You've bounced around a lot - make sex appealing to women, find a woman who isn't busy, be a leader, lead the woman, don't let women have idle time.

As far as whatever you were getting at here goes, it was rather incomprehensible.

[–]Senior Contributoradam-l 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Archwinger's posts are centered around a main idea. That you need to respect women. Don't try to make them be what you want. Let them be what their true self is.

If you try to judge them by male standards, you will just end up that they are shitty people. That is disrespectful. Judge them by female standards. Incidently, this means never marry them, never invest in them. You are a male. Why marry some one that doesnt meet your standards?

-Adam

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[–]Senior Contributoradam-l 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some truths hit you like a rock or not at all anyway.

[–]Moxiecodone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting point and it sounds adjusted to well being.

[–]HandsomeCub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It does seem a little vague here at times, but i really think the principle is useful. It is to lead. Women want to join the fun, not be the fun. Its work to plan fun, think about things, take risk. If its already done for her and all she has to do is join in, your entertainment value skyrockets. It doesnt seem fair... and is just another burden for the men, and another way for women to unfairly judge men for things that they fail at themselves... No matter how traditional it sounds, the point still seems true, if you give her the one burden of being your sex toy, she will likely excel at it

[–]Draggy_fly -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

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[–]Zaorish9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great post. This is dominance 101. Making the plans is attractive.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fucking LOVE your post. Another point of light shining through the haze of my addled brain. Thank you Archwinger. I'll be remembering this one til it sticks.

[–]VIICHYVALOIS -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sidebar material right here, intermediate theory.

Excellent post. Thank you for your contribution. (might want to x-post to married TRP)

[–]zetayshow -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Great post. You break it down nice and simple for everyone.

[–]OscarPistachios -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Women are scum and don't deserve the time of day of men. Fuck them