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Red Pill TheoryThings That Keep You Beta: Revenge Fantasies (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table

When most men wake up to the reality of the world around them, the first thing they experience is a deep and vile rage. Anger at women, society, the world, but, most of all, themselves. We know this to be the anger phase, and it's an accepted first step toward changing your life and living it how you want to.

The most typical manifestation of the anger phase is revenge fantasies. Interestingly, they are one of the few modes of thinking that seem to carry over after a Red Pill awakening, which is why on a typical day the front page is littered with BP examples of women being women and betas being betas. Men start to imagine scenarios in which women who rejected them and didn't want them get their comeuppance when they hit the wall and all the attractive men start to notice them less and less. These hopes keep a lot of men going; the visual of having that girl's jaw drop the first time she sees you after a year of heavy lifting and grooming built is a holy grail that many men chase after. Sure, it's been known to happen for some, but for most, it just doesn't. And this is why you should cast revenge fantasies aside as quickly as your personal development allows you to.

If you ask anyone who's been lifting for a significant period of time, they'll tell you that little compares to busting a rage-fueled PR on your deadlifts. It truly is one of the few treasures of this mortal coil. And when you direct your anger towards self-improvement and using it to get more women and get over your oneitis, you are directing anger as it was mean to be. But what happens when you don't?

When you allow your anger to simmer within you without directing it towards anything meaningful, you inevitably fall into the trap of revenge fantasies. You project this image in your mind of something,somehow, happening to the woman who rejected you that will make her realise what she lost in you and turn around beg to worship your dick. You then pump and dump her, or, if you're really sadistic, refuse to acknowledge her existence. It probably won't happen, and dwelling on the off-chance that it will simply slows down your own progress. The fact is, for every guy who went and managed to sleep with that girl he'd been pining for after nine months of monk mode--there are at least a dozen cases of the same women who drove men to start on their RP journey simply not giving a damn that he's changed. The first impression sticks, which is why I recommend that you use this place to get over your one-itis, rather than try to get your oneitis.

As much as we all get a nice dose of schadenfreude whenever some hag hits the wall and realises how difficult life can be, the fact of the matter is that this does absolutely nothing for you. So as much as you might lurk the relationship and dating subs, hoping to catch a glimpse of some woman getting got by her age/abusive boyfriend or whatever, you need to realise that this is an absolute waste of both your time and your anger. Her not being able to find a guy to marry her isn't going to help you get laid tonight, is it? Her misery may be fun to watch, but it doesn't add anything to your happiness or your improvement one bit. Hoping that this same misfortune befalls the woman you were obsessed with is some scorned-woman level of silliness and childishness.

Ditch the revenge fantasies.;Use your anger for what matters most:Improvement.


[–]jaggedlittleredpill 133 points134 points  (41 children)

Took some time for me to figure this out, but abundance or even adopting an abundance mindset will kill that revenge fantasy real quick.

Abundance is key for not giving a fuck about a bitch and living your life.

[–]Kingtorythegreat 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Took the words out of my keyboard

Abundance is key

"which is why I recommend that you use this place to get over your one-itis, rather than try to get your oneitis."

^ that part had me confused in the original post.

When you discover Red Pill read it and Learn the shit . Then Get your fucking ass out and go get abundance with women or do the cool shit you always wanted to do. Go work on self improvement . Shit I don't care what you red pill readers do as long as realize that time is the only thing you can't get back. So use your time.

Don't get caught up in the oversaturation of information (google if you don't know about it )

[–]unicorn-carousel 14 points15 points  (28 children)

The song "I don't fuck with you" by Big Sean was a driving factor of getting me into rap, concurrently with digesting the pill (last 1.5/3 years). Excellent album if you listen through it 20 times for context, very few traces of Blue Pill. Whether what he says lines up with his real life or not I don't know, but the message fits the red narrative. That song is one of the stupider sounding ones, but in the overall message it's actually pretty good. Another one that sounds stupid on the surface is "All Your Fault"... looks BP/beta, but the message is "nobody to blame but me". One glimpse of the transcendental mindset that just doesn't have time to fuck with little bitches. "Outro" is a fun one.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (12 children)

A lot of rappers seem RP but they're really not. They seek female validation by making songs about them. Ice Cube is the most RP rapper I know of, he's also one of my favorites.

[–]KingAsael 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Personally feel 50 cent may be the most RP rapper. He's one of the only that actually lifts hard and his mindset is tight. Recommended listen: 50 cent - Too rich

Edit: Song Name

[–]unicorn-carousel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A lot of rappers seem RP but they're really not.

I'm very much with you. It's easy to write off Big Sean but I can listen to Dark Sky Paradise (Deluxe) all day no shuffle. Ice Cube is dope, my morning playlist starts with Too West Coast, followed by 8 Mile from Enimem. FWIW it does not include Big Sean (yet). Again, can't speak for his personal life, but it also doesn't really concern me since the message is delivered.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Also check out Juicy J. I wouldnt be surprised if he subscribed to this sub because his lyrics are RP as fuck.

[–]1FunAndFreedom 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Rappers very rarely write their own lyrics. The record companies identify segments of the population and fine tune individual rappers personalities to appeal to those segments. No different than how boy bands are put together.

Juicy J or whoever writes his lyrics created a product that appeals to an angry man who is tired of being pushed around by women. But you aren't going to find actual red pill advice. One lyric after telling you how he treats women like ho's he's probably talking about how he spends all his money on "dem yella diamonds" for those same girls. Or how he "buys out da bar" to impress women. Then he'll talk about how rich he is only to find him broke in 10 years from "muh baby mommas"

Yeah, real red pill.

In my opinion if it's in the main stream it's not red pill, it's not worth emulating. I get that you might find something resembling the red pill in their lyrics, but when you look deeper it's dressed up blue pill nonsense.

[–]kbkilling 1 points1 points [recovered]

Juicy J has been around for well over a decade already, (3 6 Mafia) looks like he's doing just fine.

[–]1FunAndFreedom -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I'm going by the numbers, most these guys end up broke. But the point of my post was to not to look at rap as being "red pilled" when outside of some superficial fuck women lyrics it's incredibly blue pilled and cucked.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Isn't it all an act to sell something though? Like you'll have the same rapper saying hoes ain't loyal and don't get hung up over a woman, then a different song about how some girl is so perfect to him. The latter to sell albums to women. It's all just marketing, and I don't think entertainers care what message they put out 9 times out of 10

[–]spunk_wizard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just adding to the thread of suggestions, you all ought to check out I Mean It by G Eazy. Easily one of the most RP songs I've got in my library

[–]surfjihad -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

Oshea Jackson is still married to his high school sweetheart. Thats not exactly RP

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Dude is keeping a marriage going strong, I.e life on nightmare mode, especially with the divorce rape potential he has I would call it hell mode(divorce rate in the entertainment industry is over 70%, a marriage lasting 20+ years is really fucking rare)

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Yea and then he went and acted a fool after the girl dumped his ass. Rap is good to listen to but don't assume that it's really how people live their lives. There aren't many rappers out there who have actually lived what they talk about. At the end of the day, you should look beyond that stuff to motivate you. If anything, it should come from within.

[–]Rommel0502 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you're looking to a rap star for guidance on how to live your life, you're likely looking in the wrong place.

[–]unicorn-carousel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool, thanks haha. Yea I don't assume it's how they live at all, but the sentiment connects and it's a good product. Looking forward to the next one even more. Edit: we all sit here on TRP with our handles doing the same thing. Assume it's all a game and you're cool, spend your money/time as you see fit.

[–]Mpcfiend 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its all im the speech. You can tell when a mfer lives the lifestyle by how they say shit. If you blatantly say you selling drugs without trying to be creative about it then 9/10 the dude picked his substance from Paid In Full

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely Juicy J and dont forget Gucci Mane

[–]admiralreddog 3 points3 points [recovered]

Have you listened to "One man can change the world"? That song made me like him even more.

[–]unicorn-carousel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes sir, I like to loop albums over whole days. Dark Sky Paradise is very good overall, I am sure I could find some flaws but it's overall very very high quality in my ears.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

IDFWU is as blue pill as it gets. He wrote a song to tell his ex-fiance how he doesn't care about her anymore. By writing that song, he basically acknowledges that he's butt hurt about her leaving him which isn't red pill at all. It's the kind of shit Taylor Swift pulls.

[–]thedaynos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yessss 100% . the message of the song is RP. but the reality of it is BP.

[–]unicorn-carousel 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't hear it as a break up song. I hear it as a song saying he doesn't fuck with small people who accuse him of fucking with them in some sense. Like when some ugly chick accuses you of being suggestive and all you can think is "is this bitch serious?". Edit: Upon relistening the E-40 verse is where my ears perk, and how I hear it more generally. The following Big Sean verse follows the message.

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It's all about perspective. If you view it that way and don't look at the background for why he wrote the song, I guess it does no harm.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pre RP I listened to rap. Post RP I've been listening to rage against the machine. Most of their songs deal are anti - blue pill at a cultural level. I.e. Snakecharmer, vietnow, freedom, etc.

[–]1ItsTheHomeWrecker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Precisely. Why would you care what happens to some broad when you're swimming in abundance?

[–]arcturum -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well shit, I guess you'd have to be a half decent person before you did something unnecessary like caring about others. Dumb motherfucker.

[–]vorverk 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Abundance almost makes me blue pill.

[–]vorverk 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Hah. I got downvoted by angry phasers? :)

To explain: I agree that abundance gets you out of anger zone. When you see how women are incapable of resisting you, and they hate you for it. You almost start to see how fragile and scary their world is, being out of control. It ALMOST makes you blue pill (in the sense, that women are wonderful, but from another perspective. The incapable one..).

[–]GnonSequitur 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You almost start to see how fragile and scary their world is, being out of control

This has been a huge takeaway for me after experiencing abundance.

These women are not in control of themselves. They want powerful men, and they careen towards them. On some level they understand that intellectually and emotionally they're predestined to play the subordinate role.

Enter feminism.

It is omnipresent because it is a knee-jerk reaction to the very real feeling that women have of being powerless. If they have powerful men who take care of them then they don't need it. They're happy. If they don't... feminism.

[–]workyoursteps 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a good explanation of your previous comment. I had no idea what it meant.

It sounds like this is another one of those things that is kept well hidden by blue pill society. I'd love to hear more about how women are insecure deep down about responding to red pill concepts. It's probably a key part of the red pill backlash.

[–]etzefeck 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What about when you're in an ltr?

[–]jaggedlittleredpill 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's a tough one my friend. Abundance in an ltr is near impossible if you're not a believer in side pussy.

[–]etzefeck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So maintaining control in any ltr is impossible?

[–]Mr_Andry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's entirely possible to maintain abundance mentality in a LTR or marriage. Rather like choosing a job or career as a man of intelligence. I've chosen this job at this time for specific reasons. I choose to focus on it and not take any side jobs for specific reasons. At some point in the future, I may switch jobs or careers if this one no longer suits me, and it will be easy because I am conscientious about maintaining my market value as a chosen part of my personal identity.

[–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (10 children)

I've lived long enough now to see the Wall hit a few women who wronged me. I've also seen it hit women who were pretty good to me. For all of them, it left them fat and struggling to raise kids with a sad-sack provider.

Think about how awful the Wall is. Women don't stop acting like teenagers because the world continues to treat them that way into adulthood. Not her parents, but men willing to give her things and take her on adventures just for "being who she is." All she has to do is exchange sex, which isn't such a bad deal when you think about it, especially if there is attraction. Then, all of a sudden the ride ends. Her options begin to dim, and she has to bail with a beta before she finds herself turned into a cat lady. And she will be a cat lady if she doesn't compromise.

I found TRP right about the age a woman has her Epiphany. Having gained wisdom, I am experiencing something of a renaissance. By applying lifestyle changes, I have more women interested in me now than I ever did in my 20's. Women have no such choice. No matter what they do, their societal value will continue to decline with their looks as they age. One may say that is misogynistic, but all one has to do is see how much (husband's) money is spent on women for cosmetics and procedures that try to roll back the clock. No amount of money or status they develop will give them the worth they once had.

It's a cruel fate. Once you internalize this, their often fucked-up behavior makes sense and it is easier to let go of the anger. All they have is their desirability, and any cunning they possess to leverage it. Take them off the pedestal in your mind, and they truly are the weaker sex.

Women are actually pitiable creatures. It's hard to have anger for something you pity.

[–]BlackJ1 28 points29 points  (0 children)

When I first swallowed the red pill I had a revenge fantasy about me becoming like the top 20% of men, ripped as hell, six figures, six feet tall. So I can go around lead women on and flat out reject them for arbitrary reasons or deflect any advances so I can make them feel what I felt when I was in my blue pill days.

Just to give them that feeling of hopelessness, worthlessness, nothingness I once felt when I was blue pill....

But then I woke up and realized how retarded I was sounding and decided to instead focus on improving myself not so I can rub it in the face of women, but to do it for me.

Once I began to understand why women do what they do, I no longer get mad at them. They are just women.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I always just imagine the emptiness a slut must feel (although not literally empty, for obvious reasons). Being viewed solely on their looks, desperately using their only resource (pussy) as a means to wrangle a man into the relationship they so desperately crave.

Eventually they'll marry, most likely a beta bux loser. But they'll always have that one, burning regret. That one man who made her feel things she hadn't felt before or since.

This is the alpha widow, and it would be like if you, as a man, had a girlfriend who you really really connected with. She was funny, hot, a freak and low maintenance. A true unicorn. You could see yourself marrying this girl. And then... she dumped you. And you lived the rest of your life married to a different woman who simply could not measure up. Sure your wife may love you, but it will never compare to the love you felt from the gorgeous woman from your past. And you'll feel guilty for feeling this way. That's the worst of it. Your mind will be telling you "be happy, you should be happy" but you'll find it impossible.. It will feel like there is a piece of your being missing, never to be returned, and no amount of reasoning will stop the empty feeling the gorgeous woman from your past left. You're simply locked in a perineal state of unfulfilment and despair, bound to either live in misery with your partner or to blow up your family in spectacular fashion only to find the relief you're looking for will never come. Truly awful.

[–]Ubernaut84 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Perinial - related to the area between your anus and scrotum

Perennial - what you meant

Pretty awesome Freudian slip tbqh fam

[–]pcadrian 4 points4 points [recovered]

I'll never feel that way. I look back at my past relationships and think of all the mistakes I made in them, but then realize those relationships ended so that I could grow and become the man I am today. I learn from the experience of failure more than I would've if I was stuck in the comfort of said relationships.

I noticed a pattern. Each relationship I have is just better than the next. It just is. And the intensity of love I feel for each woman didn't get less over time. None of my exes was special. I was what made the difference.

Women aren't special, and what you say about not being able to achieve the same kind of "connection" is simply not true. I've lived it and temporarily felt what you describe in the middle of the breakup, but that feeling dissipates quickly. Now they're just some distant memory, each as meaning less as the next. I learned what I could and moved on with my life.

The only men for which your description holds are those men who choose to settle, instead of continuing to improve and holding out on their commitment for the kind of woman they desire.

It's very tempting after being alone for a while to allow myself to get with a girl who I know is no good for me, and wouldn't contribute positively in my life. I got an ex trying so hard right now to get back with me, promising she's changed, and that the drama she used to create will no longer happen. But I know what it takes for people to change, and she ain't done it. And after all the work I put in who I am, I'll be damned if I'm going to settle.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I was just making an analogy to understand why the life of a slut is so pitiful.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This trend may be inverted easily if people instead of blowing up their new family went and blow up the past girl.

I mean sure, she probably doesn't deserve that, but so doesn't your family. And you will be in the "preventing bombshells from ruining lives" instead of "preventing good girls to muster the courage to create a family" department.

All in all, if you really have to go psycho, atleast leave something for the next generation. xd

[–]NaughtyFred -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand where you're coming from but having been on the receiving end of true female nature and cruelty in my beta days I have no sympathy for any of them.

As ye sow so shall ye reap.

[–]massivewang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am experiencing something of a renaissance.

Amen brother, amen. I too am also experiencing this, finding TRP around 27 years old (now 32).

[–]oathcunt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"It's a cruel fate. Once you internalize this, their often fucked-up behavior makes sense and it is easier to let go of the anger. All they have is their desirability, and any cunning they possess to leverage it. Take them off the pedestal in your mind, and they truly are the weaker sex." - Because, after all, He who laughs last, laughs best.

[–]Battle-Scars 41 points42 points  (5 children)

Wrapped up in those revenge fantasies is also a lack of accountability that you fucked up as a man, whether it was dropping too much beta on her or just being a weak man, etc. Women are very good at covertly showing you what your weaknesses are and what you need to work on in order to play their game. Using a painful expierience for motivation to grow as a man is very healthy but don't think for a minute it's not entirely your responsibility to keep improving.

The revenge does come occasionally when you see her in the grocery store a couple years later but by that time you have improved yourself so much you don't really care anymore and just wish her well with a wry smile.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Yeah, accountability is an increasingly difficult thing for people these days. Everyone wants to shirk off responsibility, and revenge fantasies aid in doing that because they rely on some mystical force of karmic righteousness to bring justice to the world.

[–]sk07ch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whole fucking reddit shames people with memes of all kinds like that would help anyone. Pathetic blue pill shit. Learn and move on.

[–]Steve_Wiener 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol that actually happened to me and my first gf in highschool who broke my heart. (she looked like shit 6+ years later)

[–]2alisonstone 14 points15 points  (4 children)

For the most part, "revenge" doesn't even make sense anyways. If a girl dumps you to date a better guy, she didn't do anything wrong. You can go like "I'm gonna get in great shape and then make a lot of money and show her she made a mistake!", but that just means that you were not in great shape and you didn't have money in the first place. And that means you would have remained a complacent loser if she didn't dump you. If the girl dumping you was the wake up call to make you hit the gym and focus on improving your life, it would make more sense for you to thank her. It would be far worse if she choose you while you were doing self destructive behavior because that type of validation would prevent you from changing.

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Also in the years that it takes to become successful and wealthy the guy will be thinking about her less and less. By the time he does see her again he will have mostly forgotten and she will totally remind him that she even exists and most likely whatever importance he put on her in the past will be nonexistent.

[–]fingerthemoon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This.

Nothing can make a young man more complacent and apathetic than having a hot girlfriend who will do anything for you and wants to get married and have your children. Combine that with easy money and a man can really let himself go.

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If a girl dumps you to date a better guy

That's fair but if a girl rejects you to go out with a drug dealer and ends up getting killed by him, you'd be stupid not to have a hearty chuckle at the irony.

[–]Boovs4life 28 points29 points  (5 children)

This speaks to me. I always had this "revenge fantasy" where as a former fat omega in high school, I'd post a #transformationtuesday picture with my fat self next to my new and improved shredded self and girls would see me and regret friendzoning me and the guys that bullied me to envy that they're still fat while I'm ripped as fuck. I now realize that's a pathetic fantasy and i need to get over myself.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

That won't happen. When you go several years, or decades without seeing people from high school and then suddenly see them again you will be a bit more torn up about people who died from cancer or died in car accidents, or far worse, had their children die at a young age. The chick who didn't want to fuck you when you were 16 and now 25 years later is a little overweight won't even register to you as being important. A lot of real life will happen between 18 and 38. At your reunion there will be photos of people who have passed away and and when you see them that will be a much bigger emotional response than seeing some former bully who is now obese or is being divorce raped.

I don't have much memory of the assholes I went to high school with, like any other adult asshole you sort of become indifferent to them. The dudes who were douchey are now a little less douchey. The chicks who were 9s and 10s who could be absolute cunts are now no longer 9s and 10s and whatever power you think they had over you when you were 16 now no longer exists.

The girls that friend zoned you or rejected you when you were young will never matter. Never. They don't mean anything and they will never mean anything. I am nearly 15 years out of high school and when I look back at the girls I pined over then I have no interest in them as women now. Not that they are 'bad' or anything its just they are completely off my radar and I feel incredibly indifferent.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When you go several years, or decades without seeing people from high school and then suddenly see them again you will be a bit more torn up about people who died from cancer or died in car accidents, or far worse, had their children die at a young age. The chick who didn't want to fuck you when you were 16 and now 25 years later is a little overweight won't even register to you as being important.

My ten year reunion happened before the internet became ubiquitous, and well before the rise of Facebook. I'll also qualify this with I moved out of my small town many years prior, but there is also the fact that you no longer move in the same circles as many of these people and you now operate in a different frame of reference. To be absolutely clear, I was just there to have fun with no other motive. My crazy ex was present, and inadvertently I 'lived the dream' by showing up, working the crowd successfully, and demonstrating achievement. Crazy ex got -- drumroll-- crazy and claimed after the fact I made her nervous, even though I hadn't approached or talked to her that evening. So I haven't been invited to any of the other re-unions until recently.

The point is, what most guys fantasize about is, basically, a crushing public humiliation of the girl that kicked them to the curb or ignored them. The thing is: think about how a pack of women usually operate. Publicly obliterating each others social standing is pretty much their end goal for each other, to thin out the competition for Chad. The reality is that the hamster is designed for exactly this situation. Even if she did admit some wrongdoing, five minutes later when the tears are through, the hamster spins it so that she feels no responsibility.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I actually saw few of my high school friends after years, I don't consider those people as successful as I am. This brings basically no joy to my heart. If I liked somebody, if I didn't like somebody, that doesn't matter.

[–]rot_barth 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This. You wanted to get back at them... but that would require you hanging out with them and they don't move in social circles as high as you so you would just be embarrassing yourself.

When you bump into them at a function and they are the servers or the help... case closed.

[–]MoneyStatusLooks 10 points10 points [recovered]

Revenge and anger can be a powerful motivator. Simple as that. The emotion isn't bad or wrong, it's how you deal with it. Productive use of revenge or anger is in action towards self improvement.

If a bitch dumps you, then you decide you want "revenge" by getting in the best shape of your life, learning and practicing game and becoming rich, what does it matter if the motivation was to show someone they were wrong.

The motivator isn't the bad thing. Two people can feel the exact same emotions and take completely different action.

[–]workyoursteps 3 points3 points [recovered]

I agree with everything except the becoming rich part. Let's not forget that making ridiculous money (and the 80 hour work weeks that come with that) doesn't inherently make you happy. The motivator has to be internal and legit most of the time. But being fit does give you an emotional boost regardless of whether it's built on a string of rejections.

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[–]MoneyStatusLooks 1 points1 points [recovered]

rich = "success/happiness" is nothing more than blue pill conditioning by society.

I don't agree, we won't see eye to eye. Let's leave it at that.

There are plenty of rich and happy alphas, so I think it shows a flaw in your assumption.

[–]p00pey 0 points1 point  (1 child)

really poor logic...

there are plenty of fish in the sea that haven't been eaten by a shark, so all fish will never been eaten by sharks...

[–]enfier 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The average Joe has no concept of what becoming rich actually looks like. You, like many others, confuse high income with rich. Most people would agree that they want to be millionaires, but in reality what they want is the experience of spending a million dollars they didn't have to earn.

Becoming a millionaire is the exact opposite of spending a million dollars - you need to make a million dollars more than you spend. Most of the people living lavish lifestyles are just as broke as you are, the actual millionaires are living quiet, frugal lifestyles and probably don't advertise their wealth.

Ultimately, becoming rich buys you freedom. I'd recommend it for any Red Pill man. The amount of effort it takes to make $100k versus $30k really isn't that substantial. You don't need to work 80 hour weeks or stress yourself into an early grave. You do need to apply your efforts towards intelligent efforts. If you live like you were making $30k and invest the rest, you'll be financially independent in 10 years.

[–]joeyjojosharknado 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's like Dumbo's feather though, isn't it? You can achieve those things without the sourness inside. In fact, you're better succeeding without such negativity, because are you going to rely on lifelong anger and revenge fantasies to improve yourself? Not much of a life if you do.

[–]cantFindValidNam 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Someone who does you an injury hurts you twice: first by the injury itself, and second by taking up your time afterward thinking about it. If you learn to ignore injuries you can at least avoid the second half. I've found I can to some extent avoid thinking about nasty things people have done to me by telling myself: this doesn't deserve space in my head. I'm always delighted to find I've forgotten the details of disputes, because that means I hadn't been thinking about them. My wife thinks I'm more forgiving than she is, but my motives are purely selfish."

From The Top Idea In Your Mind

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[–]EatmyShorts59 0 points1 point  (1 child)

On an alternative note.

LSD / DMT

Both experiences helped me with self compassion and self love.

Love yourself and forgive yourself for not being perfect / or not having accomplished your dreams/goals yet.

You will get there.

[–]p00pey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have dealt with a lot of parental issues myself, and while I've never done DMT, LSD had a profound impact. Moreso than that, MDMA was a game changer for me. I wouldn't be the man I am today if not for my experimentations with MDMA and the insight they brought to me, especially as it relates to my childhood and what my parents put me through...

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Solid shit.

I ditched my revenge fantasy of suing ex wife for division of assets. Not by myself, my counselor talked me into it, but he was right, so I did the right thing too.

Suing ex, any revenge on ex - my kids will get hit by a ricochet. And, what are my gains, except the feeling inside my head "I showed that bitch"? None.

So now I'm not the man that hurts his own offspring for some feeling in his head in exchange.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I don't know your situation and your plans. There is a difference between revenge and justice. Also the division of assets would make your life better.

This the part that makes me highly suspicious.

my counselor talked me into it my kids will get hit by a ricochet.

Professionals on some level favor the woman. They will encourage you to do things which are not in your legal best interest and then psychologically use your own kids as hostages.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Professionals on some level favor the woman. They will encourage you to do things which are not in your legal best interest and then psychologically use your own kids as hostages.

That professional is one of your regular posters to red pill reddits and knows my situation very well. If he told me I need to stop wanking over my revenge fantasy, it means I need to stop wanking over my revenge fantasy.

I'm not telling you I will never sue her. Maybe someday. But not out of anger and out of my petty revenge fantasy. The reason, the intention behind that is important, that's how I see it. On the other hand, I believe the situation is going to sort out itself - she could remarry or move out by herself. No biggie.

Handling 3 kids is not an easy task.

I chosen a woman who is a piece of shit for my wife, has lots of issues; maybe she wasn't by then, but after few years with my beta ass, she surely is now. I was using alcohol by then, I was using it to "fill the void" in my heart after my childhood, I was too young to understand the repercussions for it. This was my hand of cards I got dealt with. I'm still dealing with some of this stuff now.

I doubt she will be able to earn enough money to even maintain herself.

My kids need my support even if I am not in the picture any more.

Case closed.

[–]watcher45 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A man provides. At least for his kids.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Knew there was a reason I nominated you for an EC.

To the man of abundance, exes don't matter, unless she died of cancer or something.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Had a hunch that was you. Good looking out.

[–]idahar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had such grand thoughts of rolling back into my hometown and seeing the people that were cool and the girl who BTFO'd me in high school and thinking how they'd look at me in awe. Even during my time reading TRP, I held onto that notion, until I began to meditate and realized not only would it do me no good, but I'd be above it. Because you only fantasize about what's out of reach, like imagining how you could have beat the shit out of the dude that worked your ass in a fight. But if you came into that situation again as a stronger, more mindful version of yourself, you might not even have fought the guy.

This came into my mind when watching Central Intelligence, and I thought how bullshit it would be for a guy who went from a literal marshmallow to Hercules to seek validation from washed up losers.

An image of a better you in your mind is always healthy in achieving goals and self improvement, but no one benefited from wild daydreams about being the hero they fantasize about.

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Rejection & Revenge:

https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/15/rejection-revenge/

Indifference speaks volumes. The very consideration of revenge is a waste of your time, a waste of your effort, that would be better spent learning and bettering yourself from that rejection. I can personally relate a story of a young man who was just released from prison. He killed the boyfriend who his ‘soulmate’ replaced him with when he was 16 by stabbing him 32 times. That was his revenge. If he’d been 2 years older he would’ve been put to death or served a life sentence. You may not be that extreme in pursuing a course of revenge, but the consequences are similar. For so long as you consider revenge, no matter how petty, you’ll still be attached to the emotions of that rejection. Accept the rejection, move on, rejection is better than regret – literally in this case.

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Things that don't make you beta: Getting revenge. Scorching the earth.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm curious, why is this particular horse getting a beating? Has there been an influx of people hoping that girl who turned them down will die alone with her cats?

We don't need ten paragraphs of "who the fuck cares about the bitch who says no." It's common that girls who branch swing often do far worse, especially later in life, but no need to fucking dwell on it or berate them for hoping his ex will have as shitty of a life as my ex wives and girlfriends have. Shit guys, I started fucking my wives at 20 and 21 respectively. They both decided to go stupid at 28 and 30. Of course they'll do worse, I was fucking them when they looked their best. No man of higher value than I would want them, so they'll get only the dregs circling the commode.

Know what though? Right now I am fucking a 44 year old, she has a great job so none of my money goes to her, my balls are spurting dust, and we just saw a weekends worth of great concerts on her dime. She dumped her ex, because he was unable to support himself, utterly useless to do any manly things, and about as ambitious as my ex wives. She has the opportunity to fuck a far better man than she's ever had before. It happens, sometimes they do better, most times they don't.

If you're a scrub, guess what. She will easily do better than your sorry ass. If you're a fat lard ass gamer fuck in moms basement, even a fat chick will do better than you. You set the bar low and even a fat bitch can step over it.

I like this girl, but she knows there will be no wedding, no living together, and that she can be replaced easily, quickly, and without a fuck being given. It keeps her pleasant, horny, and willing to do whatever the fuck I want, as well as doing nice shit for me. Girls are like that for men with value. Yeah they can go stupid, especially if you stumble a bit in life like I did, but maintain that value and what the fuck happens with her won't matter to you.

The only reason I know what's up with my ex wives is that I have kids with the first, and the second lives two miles away and our small community volunteers information about her all the time. I'm amused by their lack of progress in life, but I don't fucking care what they do... As long as I don't have to pay for it.

[–]jackandjill22 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Nah, directing anger at others is incredibly useful. Not explicitly referring to women. Life's a pretty shitty place sometimes, if you're not pissed of then somethings wrong with you.

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[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Depends on who you are:

If you're an extraordinarily talented, Frederick Nietzsche, Antifragile, reading pissed off 'Will-to-power' MotherFucker who's mistreatment by others for no reason other than "wrong place, wrong time"(because of moral hazard, through no fault of your own, you're paying others behavioral consequence down)drives you to bury your adversaries & dominate your competition then anger can be useful; powerful. Your opprobriums justifiable. Want to know something about hatred? It's much more motivating than happiness; happiness is outcome dependent but dissatisfaction comes from within under certain conditions it never runs out regardless what happens it's always there as an internal motivator. It's like fire. It exerts control, It's all consuming, it burns bridges, it burns on conquest. All it takes is someone who isn't Fucking Beta & has that rare strength of character. You truly just haven't suffered enough if you can't be motivated by hatred.

After crawling from being buried in an icy shallow grave- left for dead by your 'friends' & surviving. Remember that final scene of the Revenant?

"You come all this way to kill me for your revenge, but ain't nuthin' gonna bring your boy back."

            ---* Film Fin*---

[–]BestSC86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This.......some people haven't read the Laws of Power clearly....

Doing it quietly or letting some else do the dirty work is one the prime tenets of power politics.

[–]rot_barth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Geez... that almost gave me a hard-on.

To gaze upon your enemy knowingly and realize this: "Someday, something unfortunate will happen to you. And it will be because of me. And you will never know who did it to you, or why, or how. It will just be. But I will know. And it will give me immense satisfaction."
And never even say those words, but just hide them behind a warm smile.

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[–]life036 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Everyone agrees the anger phase is part of the RP process. You're proposing to ban a part of the process? Sounds fucking stupid.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone agrees the anger phase is part of the RP process.

I actually got over my anger towards my ex wife. It sucks, because I need some new motivation thoughts for breaking those PRs.

[–]BlueFreedom420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Get revenge by being an Alpha. No sweeter thing than to torture women by dangling commitment in their face.

[–]Avskygod0 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Revenge fantasies should be kept on the side, if circumstances are just right it will happen and you will have good keks, but it's where it should be kept

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if circumstances are just right it will happen and you will have good keks

Exactly. A moment of fun, which won't really bring anything new.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Darn you. I will have me revenge fantasy. My next LTR will be cucked and there's nothing you can do about it!

Seriously though. There's nothing wrong with being inherently sadistic toward women you've been with and people who did you wrong. Just don't put your entire bankroll on it to happen. And be aware that it won't solve anything. You might feel like you "won" for a while. That's it, then life goes on.

Also women do hit the wall. Life will suck for allot of them (HB6's and lower). Men do gain in attraction as time progresses. So lets not get all "real" now.

Anger is a great tool. Just make sure you're constantly focused on you and not someone else.

[–]WAFC 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My next LTR will be cucked and there's nothing you can do about it!

Seen this a couple of times today.

Men can't cuck women. Women can't be cuckolds.

[–]microwave44 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I upvoted this post the moment I saw the title, it resonated that much. Revenge fantasies drain mental energy so when you're faced with the actual danger it won't click. If you're going to be great, do it because you are a force of nature, not because mommy didn't hug you enough.

[–]1WeedDaddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is similar to saying that you can't laid because you hate women (don't think they are the bee's knees).

It's masculine to take revenge. Incapability to contain aggressive emotions is a sign of mental weakness.

[–]icecow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With due respect, you pointed out the problem but didn't give a solution. I came to the same conclusion that the schadenfreude I feel when I see an unworthy woman hit the wall is not only useless to my life, it makes me more of a shit person. But how do you not feel that? You said "Ditch the revenge fantasies." That's like saying, "stop biting you're nails." The person's nails are usually gone before that thought occurs.

Working it out at the gym can only help but doesn't cure these latent forms of hate.

[–]buli145 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice post.

This is something I have to watch out not to do. I always imagine my Ex hitting the wall, I imagine her seeing that I changed and be sad because she lost me.. Even when I pick a girl I always wonder what will she think about this girl, will she be jelous?

This is something that I really need to change.

[–]DJGammaRabbit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I went through this. I can pretty much gauarantee that when you do get over that girl it'll be the last case of oneitis you'll ever have and it feels great to not be so emotionally controlled by another ever again. One thing that always helps is to only let your positive thoughts control you just as a monk does. You may think this or that but let that negative thought slide right on by. Don't dwell on it, that's the whole point of mindfulness, it doesn't matter if you think something bad, just don't keep thinking it. When you're at your best there will always be options. Just because it's not the one you originally planned on marrying and spending happy ever after with doesn't mean that you can't be even more happy with someone else if you want a LTR. Men are romantics. Kill that part of yourself until it's truly worth investing in a LTR. Looking at my own tinder matches it's pretty obvious where I'm at and I don't have many options. Would I want to fuck me? No. Would I want to date myself? Probably. Do I want to date? Not really. I've got some work to do. Feel good > look good > attract > don't give a fuck. Be a magnet, not a repulsive magnet. The whole idea of only giving 2/3 back is the idea of being an amplifier, an amplifier that creates abundance (an amplifier is like creating something with less than it's given). You give out less but get more. You give more to yourself and for some reason you attract people that way, works like gold. I would even go as far as to say that you're trying to fuck yourself. Haha.

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I haves mixed opinions on this. My problem is I keep running into the last girl and she's always on the arm of some (supposedly) rich diuchebag. I need to move away.

[–]RedPillFreedom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm confused by this revenge fantasy concept.

So, if I work on myself and am happy with my gains, person I become(my future self). People are jealous of how the fuck did he do that. He used to be a loser. Now he's successful? That's a Revenge Fantasy?

I just want to grow and get better everyday. If the people I cut off see me after a few months or years and I self reflect on my progress and I'm proud of myself. Is that still qualify as a Revenge Fantasy because i am happy I'm better off than the last time I saw them.

Edit: if its just referring to all the oneitis' that didn't fuck me then lmao. I'm good bro that was one of my BP goals when I started bodybuilding. I was like become zyzz and she'll want you back. Hahaha, now it's a fuck that. There's so many girls guys. Don't bother with the shit they give you. Just go for the ones that show signs of you're her type. I mean here on RP you are literally becoming the man she biologically desires. Add a little game and frame to the mix and you're set.

[–]Trumpanoly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Freezing cold shower at least once a day. Cool the fuck down.

[–]asotranq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is truly something that men seem naturally better at, in my opinion, and should all strive to have this mindset

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seriously. Revenge is so stupid, and you cant even obtain total revenge in a society as regulated as this. The best revenge in our current society is living a good life, period.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference. Let go of those who wronged you in the past, they impacted a earlier stage of your life and you have now moved on.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who said you can't do both?

[–]VanityKings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your own success is the best revenge.
Your time and energy should always be focused on what will benefit you and your kin, not on some past mistake that doesn't even deserve to be in your thoughts, let alone your life

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 0 points1 point  (0 children)

JP_whoregan

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This is not often discussed, and not immediately available on the sidebar, but it's an important point to 'manning up' in your TRP life.

Men don't have revenge fantasies, they compete with their betters, not their lessers

[–]Transmigratory 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The best way to kill it totally is above everything mentioned: kill the idea in your head that karma exists. Normally people will accept what's outlined ITT, but will linger on "but there's karama"... no, kill it and you'll fully embrace what's being said.

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Life isn't fair.

This is all some Disney aftertaste karmic universe kind of stuff.

Once I grew out of that, I found it easier to accept a more pragmatic view of the world. Some people get the shaft. Why? Not karma. Sometimes shit happens, but often its because they lied to themselves about the way of the world and were blindsided.

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OP, I like the idea of a Things That Keep You Beta series. More please!

Or as a friend says about receiving criticism "Thank You may I have another"

[–]p00pey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do realize revenge is what fuels half this sub right. WHen you have posts about rando women doing what women do, aka AWALT, day in and day out, it's half revenge, half anger, half delusion. IF you truly are comfortable in your skin, and understand the male/female dynamics, and just how women think/feel in general, you will never need to post or reply to the same crap over and over and over again. I spent a few days in teh MGTOW world, and it's a billion time worse, which for me validates the ideology here is a lot stronger, but there's still a lot of garbage. Dudes need to step out of the anger phase quicker, but it's easier to wallow in in in perpetuity...

[–]1kick6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Being angry is drinking poison, and hoping the other person dies."

Live it.

And lest you think I'm being preachy...I have to remind myself of the same shit all the time. One of the girl's that got me is married to my best friend's brother in law. I frequently am reminded what a piece of shit she is, and despite the fact that she's gotten fat...........her husband's large salary has cushioned her impact with the wall. Karma never got her, but I just have to let it go because it's not helping me any.

[–]Stythe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want to add to this. The revenge fantasy goes beyond women. Many of us carry various versions of it through childhood. Things we lacked or wanted growing up take root in ways that can be unhealthy. A good example for me is that I wanted to be the cool kid. I found drugs and hippy-types who were accepting and thought I finally had a cool group of friends, whike the truth is that many of them were just do nothing loses or simply using me for company. I also wanted to be a musician, but for the wrong reasons. It wasn't because I loved music (I do, but that wasn't the motivating factor) But because I wanted to do something that would make people admire me. Once I dropped that mindset and looked at these things for reality I realized I was using drugs to cover up insecurities and being lazy with learning music, so I was able to change both of those things.

We all have this issue as we are programmed from childhood by our various sources of safety, parents, educators, doctors, celebrities, etc. You'd be surprised at some of the thoughts you carry for no tangible reason.

[–]hunnitpercenthonky 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Things That Keep You Beta: Posting on TRP

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At some point you need to leave. u/omlala deleted that last post but it was good. I am not sure why did you get down votes. It is obvious that the real men out there don't need neither posting nor reading, because they keep it internalized.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  • For the good posts, men like engaging other men.
  • For the bad posts, children like attention.

I notice you aren't a fan of engaging the community...

[–]trpjnf 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Great post. I commented on revenge recently over in AskTRP, and would like to add a few things.

Revenge has been scientifically proven to not feel as good as you think. Psychology Today has a good article explaining the results of the study on this and what the mechanism behind it is.

Revenge is also bad for you because you are not operating within your own frame. Rather, if you want revenge on someone, you are operating in theirs. They are not thinking about you AT ALL. Yet, you are still thinking about them.

More importantly, revenge is just a waste of time. Dedicating mental and physical energy to revenge plans is time and energy you aren't getting back. As OP said, it's much more productive to channel that anger into your next sets at the gym.

What it fundamentally comes down to, is this. Are you going to focus on yourself (improvement)? Or are you going to focus on them (revenge)?

[–]1-drukpa-kunley- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a simple matter of time management. There are only so many hours in the day. You can spend that time fantasizing, or you can spend that time making your life better.

The problem is, revenge fantasies make you feel better in the short term. But they do nothing for your long-term success. So the trick is to recognize when you are fantasizing and drop that activity and substitute a healthier activity: "Fuck that bitch, I'm going to the gym right now."

[–]by-the-prose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a difference between revenge fantasies, and the "I'll show them!" mentality. One is corrosive to your efforts, while the other is a healthy first step to confidence. Conflict is necessary for psychological growth, and this attitude lets Red Pilled men enter a phase of fast, motivated growth.

[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's not a revenge fantasy so much as the world would be a better place if she wasn't in it.

[–]Ali_s1987 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

This......I swear to it. Even if you workout because of the rage of being screwed over by an ex or at work or with life or society, at the end of the day it will help u be motivated for a month or two. Then you will loose interest once the rage subsided. It's the fact that you realize that the world is fucked up and people in general and not just women that you can truly move forward with your life. Everyone is an asshole. A lot of anger phasers say that omg women are screwed up......no doode. Everone is screwed up. Everyone is an asshole. Stay in ur anger phase long enuff and u might end up being one of the biggest assholes. Work through ur anger and move on. Lifting helps a lot. Don't just go to the gym cuz ur angry. Go there cuz u want to.....

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then be "mad, bad, & dangerous to know."

[–]unicorn-carousel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's okay to lose the steam when rage subsides. I am pretty habit oriented these days. I changed jobs, moved, etc etc within a couple month period and only made it to the gym 1-2x/week sometimes in the last few months. ONLY 1x a week, is better than I was ever before. 5x at its peak brought me a long way. Knowing that it'll get better when things calm down and not beating myself up was important too. What's the problem? It's good to not have rage. As you learn to deal with rage you'll almost never feel it. If you slip and get lazy, eventually you'll have rage to feel again and learn to just go all the time. I hear your message, that rage alone is not sustainable, but repeated failure teaches too. How's your squat form? :)