Red Pill TheoryThings That Keep You Beta:Half-Swallowing The Red Pill. (self.TheRedPill)

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One of the common mistakes that people make with regards to TRP is that it's strictly some more extremist PUA forum whose dedication is to creating men who make sex and women the sole focus of all their efforts and their reason to get up in the morning. While the core mission of TRP is the reclaiming of sexual identity and power for men, it is erroneous to believe that the disease this place cures you of is strictly a sexual and relationship one. The Blue Pill is absolutely pervasive, and its primary focus is to keep you docile and under control. The reason it's so synonymous with sexuality is because sex is the easiest way to make a foothold in a person's thinking. From our teen years onwards, we're compelled to mate with and impregnate women. Any of you who've ever been out at clubs or bars or any social setting can attest to the ridiculous lengths that some men will go to to attract a woman. They'll throw other men under the bus, proclaim to be staunch believers in ideologies that hate them, and debase themselves for a slight chance at female sexual approval. All of these actions are indicative of a deep BP mindset--a mindset that must absolutely be purged in order for the man to reclaim control of his life and decisions. This is why it shocks me that some men are only willing to half-swallow the pill.

Half-swallowing the pill--unlike what your oneitis does with Chad's cum--is when a man browses through the sub, reads all the information available, yet still decides, on a day-to-day basis, to be beta. An example is the man who's seen the "Treat a princess like a whore and a whore like a whore" rule, yet still decides to regard any woman as a unicorn. The odd thing is that these decisions are almost always made with spurious evidence in hand;usually, the evidence has been presented by the woman herself. Never forget:by the time you meet a woman and decide that you'd like to have sex with her, she's had years and years of manipulating men to do as she wants and view her in a manner that's beneficial to her. All the things we teach you here, a woman has practiced since an early age, via her little-girl tantrums that turn into teenage sulking and, eventually, adult manipulation. Because the man has only partially taken in the pill, he believes that he's found the exception, and that what she presents to him is the truth.

Many of the members who've been here for a time and contributed to making this community what it is will tell you that most men never really swallow the pill. Look no further than lifting if you want an emblem of this. Most men give up within the first week, unable to handle the pain of literally tearing apart and rebuilding your body. These are the same men who then hamster that you don't really need muscles to attract women anyway, and will point to someone like Leonardo DiCaprio as being an indicative of that. If I have to tell you what's wrong with that line of thinking, then you simply haven't understood this shit enough yet.

When you half-swallow the pill, it follows that everything you do will be in half-measures. You carry compromise written all you, and it translates to your interactions and relationships with women. It only ever takes a few nudges for her to break through that splinter wood frame of yours that you've tried to portray as an oaken door. Men who only fractionally swallow the pill can be broken down into these rough categories:the instant alpha, the beta to alpha then back to beta, and the fake MGTOWs.

The Instant Alpha is the guy who reads all the condensed material on the sub and emerges from his cave two days later with the belief that he is now alpha by virtue of this. This guy joins the gym and tries to deadlift 500lbs in his first week. Basically, he's a victim of society's obsession with instant gratification, and he can't figure out why he isn't pulling in supermodels two weeks later even though he can recite every word of No More Mr. Nice Guy. The man who truly takes in the RP will recognise that changing his stripes takes time. You're undoing decades of indoctrination and learning new skills and modes of thinking. It isn't going to happen overnight.

The beta to alpha then back to beta or the Circle Alpha refers to the man who picks himself up and decides that enough is enough. He puts in the work,goes to the gym, meditates, grows his personal skills, and improves himself all around...until he meets a unicorn. Then all that work slowly but surely begins to go out the window. He starts missing gym days cause he's hanging out with her; those grilled chicken and brown rice meals turn into McDonalds and ice cream. Eventually this man wakes up and finds himself right back where he started, having lost his momentum and, most likely, the girl he slid back into betaness for. Always remember that your mission and self-improvement come before any woman.

Fake MGTOWs probably constiute a bigger portion of this sub than we know, and they definitely comprise a large section of MGTOW proper. These are the guys who browse TRP and decide that they will use all this new found knowledge to...do nothing. Now, it's important to clarify something about MGTOW. If you're a man who has had his success with women and knows that he'd have no trouble hopping back on the train if he chose, then power to you. If you know you can do so and have everything this place says you can but choose not to because women revile you or whatever, then you and I have no qualms. However, if you're a fat, slovenly, socially awkward man who couldn't seduce his way out of a wet paperbag, and you claim that you're MGTOW because women aren't worth it, then you're full of shit. The decision has been made for you by the marketplace. You saying that you're opting out of the dating game is a lot like a paraplegic saying they're opting out of marathons--it doesn't count. Your decision is made from a position of weakness, and quite frankly no one cares if some chucklefuck "chooses" not to sleep with women. The true MGTOW is the one who uses TRP to fill the gaps in his understanding, improves himself to the point where not sleeping with women is actually voluntary, and then decides to go his own way.

The defining characteristic of the half red man,however, is what he takes in and what he discards. The man who doesn't fully commit will typically take the half of TRP that's convenient--the half about being lied to about women's mating preference, how the world wants to keep you down, and how many of the ideologies of the past century have screwed over the current and future generations. These revelations allow him to convince himself that he's taken the red pill whilst remaining completely beta and perpetuating his victimhood. The other half of TRP--the struggles, the onus of improvement, the lifelong search for meaning and the adherence to his mission--is either shuffled away in the box of narrative-breaking noise or halfheartedly skimmed over and implemented.

If you take anything from this post,let it be that there is a definite danger of trying to soften the blow of going full red. I get; this isn't easy. But like everything else that's hard to accomplish, fully swallowing the pill is damn sure worth it.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 135 points136 points  (144 children)

Mose went up on mount Sinai to receive the Ten Commandments the Jews immediately built a Golden Calf and started engaging in idolatry. Moses had to beat the fuck out of a shit ton of Jews for going back to their pagan ways.

That's basically what happens at Red Pill every day. We the Endorsed spend hours writing interesting articles (climbing mount Sinai) meanwhile you fucking Jews spend your efforts avoiding change rationalizing mediocrity and not using the search function or sidebar.

The frequency and regularity that we Moses have to beat Jews is an indicator that 80% of you are incompatible with the Red Pill. Maybe you lack the reading comprehension to grasp it's content. Maybe your too proud to change your retarded 6 day bodybuilding bro split for a strength program like Stronglifts to develop a foundation. Or maybe you never really wanted to change in the first place and are here to have other men fondle your balls and make you feel better.

The real lesson of the Red Pill is most men are weak losers with delicate egos. Thier fate is to die in the desert worshiping a golden calf. There is no saving them and most likely there is no saving you.

[–]jeezydasnowman 56 points57 points  (113 children)

Let's not forget the 80% that don't even lift. Pretty much every problem on asktrp can be answered in one word: lift. And yet I've seen it get down voted.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 52 points53 points  (80 children)

Every two days someone on askTRP asks what beginner lifting program he should do. The answer is Stronglifts.

Reguardless it's fascinating that all of these men are completely oblivious to one another. They belive themselves to be special snowflakes with unique problems that demand specialized attention.

Other AskTRP favorites include

  • oneitis

  • how do I unfuck this date?

  • Is there any hope for this beta?

  • My girlfriend hangs out with horny dudes at night what should I do?

  • And my personal favorite: I am Indian Sorry Please!?!

[–]jeezydasnowman 64 points65 points  (30 children)

  • oneitis
  • cut contact and lift
  • how do I unfuck this date?
  • cut contact and lift
  • Is there any hope for this beta?
  • lift
  • My girlfriend hangs out with horny dudes at night what should I do?
  • lift
  • And my personal favorite: I am Indian Sorry Please!?!
  • lift

Imagine how many subscribers this sub would lose if new members were required to provide verification photos of physique 13 weeks apart.

[–]PaulAJK 20 points21 points  (1 child)

new members were required to provide verification photos of physique 13 weeks apart.

If we're ever kicked off reddit we should adopt that in any new forum.

[–]beginner_ 6 points7 points  (7 children)

Just a word of caution to newcomers and especially those with little to no gym experience. If you lift, do it right. That means pay for a good personal trainer (or an experienced friend if you are lucky to have one) and go to a real gym not some cheapo shit chain. Why? I started with stronglifts and now I'm in physical therapy because not doing it right (and no I'm not talking about very heavy weights here).

Looking at videos online how you should do the various compound lifts doesn't really teach you which muscles to activate and when. And even if they do, do you really know how it works?

[–]jazerac 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What did you injure and how?

[–]beginner_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lower left back / hip area. Supposedly 2 of my vertebrae are much more flexible than all others (too flexible) and I was not activating the right "belly muscles", eg not the ones that help stabilize. To do so you need to more suck in the belly instead of pushing it out. Hard to describe. If do sit-ups and the middle part of your abs is high, then your doing it wrong.

Pretty much this

This is a chronic thing that slowly started to get worse. The tipping point was when I pulled my muscles (quads) playing soccer. First I rested then I did more deadlift and less squats as deadlifts don't need quads that much.

I haven't done any compound lifts in 2 month and still not gone.

[–]brettfromtibet 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yeah, I took the advice to "lift" and and I just spent 6 months on the sidelines and in rehab for a wrist injury. I was bench pressing on a Smith machine and I didn't understand to recorrect my wrist angle after the machine automatically bent it backwards when taking it off the rack. The injury was very depressing, very Red Pill experience. I'm recovered and lifting again for 2 months now.

Definitely get a personal trainer to show you how to do it. It would have been worth every penny and then some, for me.

[–]lilbro1984 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was bench pressing on a Smith machine...

I'm pretty sure the author of SL5x5 advices against using machines as they don't teach the body good/ functional mechanics. Glad you are healed and back in business!

[–]redpill_swagger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You prob had way!!! too much weight on the bar for a beginner, until you have "Understood to recorrect your wrist angle"

Go Light, and concentrate on correct form ;-)

[–]1StoicCrane 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I'm in. I'd walk around public in my boxers if it weren't illegal. I'd love to light a fire up the skinny fats' asses of TRP by showing them what they could be with good diet and lifting consistency.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Do you have any links? I have the drive but not the knowledge. (Seems like there's too many people writing bs articles who act like they know everything) at least with you you've seen results so I'd actually listen

[–]1StoicCrane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, when a little more time is available. I'm an odd case in the fact that I was introduced to the weight room around the age of 5 or 6 by my brother.

Coming from a single parent home he use to take me around with him when he trained for HS football I didn't actually lift but I have positive associations with lifting, shunning crappy food, and eating organically only when my body demands it.

In any case I'll send some YouTube your and nutritional links that resonate with my own habits your way when my time is a little more free.

[–]1StoicCrane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sifted through various sites and this particular link corresponds the most with my own regimen. Diet is incredibly important. To maximize your gains healthy habits are the most efficient means.

To start out I recommend doing the exercises listed here and alternate every other day between upper-body and lower body. Add some core exercises like crunches/sit-ups 3 reps of 30 every day you head to the gym to develop ab strength quickly.

Eat organically as much as possible and avoid processed foods and junk food. It's ideal to consume at least 1lb of protein per body weight every day and eat small snacks like granola bars between meals to keep your metabolism active and constantly burn fat. Cardio isn't really necessary when consumption habits are adjusted. Organic Whey Protein Powder will help to meet your protein requirements however if you're reluctant to use supplements I completely understand and recommend that you do thorough research in advance to determine if any product is safe and healthy to ingest in your body.

For a pure non-supplemented diet organic eggs, organic poultry, nuts and the like are adequate ways to derive protein though result may vary from day to day in terms of total intake.

Diet is 70% and exercise is 30% when it comes to developing strength and an physique. Eat well, sleep well, and be consistent. All the best on your lifting journey. Hope you enjoy every moment of it.

[–]Enjoyitbeforeitsover 2 points3 points  (9 children)

There may be something missing but I saw this skinny black guy with a young blonde with a juicy ass and wonderful face. I was just wondering damn, what kind of game does this guy have. Or is the chick into something big she saw lol.. But other than those rare instances, you and glo are always right.

[–]Godtiermasturbator 9 points10 points  (1 child)

You are only seeing a snapshot of their interaction. Some possibilities, from highly un-fucking-likely to likely true are:

She's a unicorn, his one true love who loves him for who he truly is, on his good days and bad days, a girl just like unca' Disney said is waiting for us all, if we just squeeze our eyes real tight and wish really hard!

He's alpha as fuck, maybe he used to be fat but he worked his ass off and got shredded, and the chick saw it all. He's also TRP and holds perfect frame, keeping her sopping wet, at least while it's his turn.

She likes him well enough, they share a social circle so he's vetted, and has a huge shlong.

She's trying to piss daddy off, will be with this guy long enough for that to happen and then it's bye bye.

She's a modern womyn fully indoctrinated in SJW mentality so she's totally cool with him being skinny, she's not gonna body-shame, plus she doesn't see color so the race thing is no problem. Sexual attraction is all based on social constructs and not biology, right? Now she's just got to figure out why her giney tingles every time the captain of the wrestling team struts by...

This guy is easy to control because she's so much hotter than he is. She can basically flirt with or fuck whoever she wants, and if the guy makes a peep she'll shut down her once-a-week gift of starfish sex to him in the blink of an eye, and he knows it. Plus she can cuddle with him and bitch about her co-workers at the end of the day while he rubs her feet.

Or, he's a beta orbiter and you totally misread the situation.

Stop focusing on others. Work on yourself.

[–]Enjoyitbeforeitsover 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're damn right im focused on myself but I do like to look briefly at the shit that surrounds me. Partly to see surprising shit and sometimes for the blonde eye candy. Yep reading aint worth it if ur not implementing the knowledge and putting in the work that will define if ur will improve or stay stagnant. I thank you fuckers for the shit u say.

[–]1ItsTheHomeWrecker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

deleted What is this?

[–]reecewagner 0 points1 point  (4 children)

It's almost as though women aren't some hive mind who all go for the same jacked up gym monkeys hey?

[–]Enjoyitbeforeitsover 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You might be right but its undeniable being on top of your game helps. I dont really give a shit.

[–]reecewagner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being on top of your game, absolutely. Different game for different dudes and guys like the one you mentioned are obviously doing a lot of things right.

[–]1StoicCrane 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sounds like you're looking for a way to opt out of lifting. The co-owner if the company I work for flirts and touches me literally evertime she sees me. You know why? It's because I lift. No one else there does except for maybe the sup. That alone speaks volumes.

[–]reecewagner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like lifting, and while not enormous I have more muscle mass than the average man. Even further, I like that lifting is central to this page - exercise is one of the best ways of bettering your life, and nothing has a more lasting effect than lifting.

[–]BassNet 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'm in college and 80% of guys I know/see lift. Maybe there's just a competitive sexual marketplace at my college but it seems like most guys my age go to the gym.

[–]brgrss 1 point2 points  (1 child)

How big is your college. Standard 20k state school? Meaning ~8000 guys lift? And how many squat racks does it have? 4? 80% of guys nowhere lift, not in the military, certainly not in your college.

[–]sd4c 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meditation = Lifting for the mind

[–]hagolu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"i am indian sorry please!?!"

Hahaha! As an Indian, I can't stop ROFLing!

Lifting and sidebar reading will do away with 90 percent of all the noobs query.

Lets make the discussion and questions high quality guys.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (9 children)

Sprinkled with the occasional "I've been lifting for 3 weeks and am not ripped yet. Steroids?"

I've been on Stronglifts / Starting Strength for a few years. Only now am I moving weight worth talking about. This is not a quick fix, especially when you are older. I once read someone complaining on the Fitness sub about their trainer telling them to only drink once per week. They shouldn't be drinking at all, but most folks just don't want to hear it.

Lifting leads to other lessons like

  • If you chase your pride, The Iron will teach you humility
  • Get your T levels checked
  • Clean up your diet
  • Get sleep
  • Plan your day

That's a lot different than alarm and coffee in the morning, work all day and sedate at night that most people do.

[–]Arcturus_ 4 points4 points [recovered]

Curious what your numbers are?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Mmm. Ruthless self-assessment time. That which gets measured gets managed.

Though I have been lifting on-and-off for about 6 years, I had a family crisis that really hit me hard and set me back a few years ago. For practical purposes, I consider myself having "started" in January 2014, at 285 lbs.

At this moment, I am 6'1", in my late 30's, weigh 220.4 lbs, at ~18% body fat. I am currently on a ketogenic diet, which I find makes my workouts take longer due to increased heartrate, but recovery times are shorter. I am lifting 4-6 times per week, and train in martial arts 4-6 hours per week. I treat the latter as my "cardio", though some days are lighter than others. I am following the Stronglifts 5x5 program, though I find it interchangable with the Starting Strength "1B" program (which replaces the clean with pullups and light deadlifts).

I don't tend to test my 1RM, so it is unclear on every lift except DL.

  • Squat - 315 5x5. Max ever is 330 3x5.
  • Overhead Press - 155 5x5. Currently struggling to get 5x5 160, looks more like 5x3, 5x2 right now. Max ever is 170 3x2.
  • Bench Press - 215 5x5. This is my current max ever.
  • Bent-over Row (the 90', touch the floor version) - 210 5x5. My form is not great at this level, though, and I am probably going to back it off 10-20 lbs next session.
  • Deadlift - 395 1x10. 1RM is 420.

I have injured myself twice, both on squats, because I was pushing too hard. I knew better, and a lower back muscle taught me what was up. I lost about a month each time.

When I hit a plateau, I deload everything 30%, and reduce my rest time. Then I climb the ladder again.

My assists are a belt, weightlifting shoes, light elbow braces and wrist braces. The last two help me with form, more than anything else.

I supplement with Creatine, Whey Protein and ZMA.

My current goals are:

  • Squat - 1.5x body weight 5x5
  • Overhead Press - .75x body weight 5x5
  • Bench Press - 1x body weight 5x5
  • Bent-over Row - 1x body weight 5x5
  • Deadlift - 2x body weight 1x10

[–]Arcturus_ 6 points6 points [recovered]

That was interesting to read, thanks for taking the time to post that. We're pretty similar or close in a lot of things.

If you care to know I'm 6'1" 230 pounds 20% bf, 24 years old. Currently cutting to about 205 though.

My lifts are

  • DL 485 1 rm but I do 365 for 5 sets of 5 currently.
  • Bench 255 1 rm, currently training at 215 5x5
  • OHP 185 1 rm, currently training at 135 5x5
  • Squat 405 1 rm, train at 315 3x5 and I die each time
  • I use a T bar for rows, I do 4 plate, so 180 and whatever the machine weights - 3x5

I have yet to injure myself luckily. When I plateau I deload as well, or switch to like DB press instead of BB for a few weeks etc. Also front squats always help my back squat jump.

I use a belt for heavy deadlifts, ohp, and squat. Chalk on deads, and then wrist wraps at all times except legs because I'm scared of fucking them up.

I currently supplement with creatine hcL, whey protein, and bcaa's. Just started the creatine roughly 8 days ago, waiting for it to fully kick in.

Goals for me within a year are all 1 rm based. I just love pushing my max strength so,

  • DL - 525 lbs 1rm
  • Squat 465 lbs 1rm
  • Bench 315 lbs 1rm
  • OHP 225 lbs 1 rm would be ideal but I can see me stalling hard at 205.

Also holy shit, your 1 rm on deads is probably higher if you're pulling 1x10 at 395. That's good.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thanks for that. It's nice to compare notes with someone so similar (except age). This is lonely work, especially when the gym I go to is filled with people doing so much dumb stuff it makes me think I'm going crazy. Lots of bench without scapular retraction, and not a row to be found, or weird combo lifts, or whatever. Here I am doing squats again...

"Injury" might be a heavy word. It was a spasmed muscle each time, and made things painful for a few weeks. After the first time, i learned the vasalva maneuver. After the second time, I bought a belt. Fortunately I've not done anything serious. It sucks getting older, though.

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Only now am I moving weight worth talking about.

Also curious as to numbers. What are they?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Responded to the other poster.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not only get sleep, but if you snore get your sleep checked out. Don't screw with sleep apnea.

[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Why pick Stronglifts over SS or greyskull?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Starting Strength's progression is very slow and recommends people start with 45lb for squats. Ain't Nobody got time for that Most healthy women can squat 95lb for five reps untrained.

For classic GreySkull you need a neck harness. Ain't nobody got a neck harness

[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It is true he recommends starting at 45 lb squats only as a beginning to learning how to squat. The book recommends you begin stacking on the weight your first workout until you reach the point where you would compromise form1, not quite the same thing as only squat the bar your first workout.

I am not a fan of a neck harness, though. Gym has them but I never saw a big use for them.

1 Starting Strength, Third Edition, p27 "The general plan is to do a couple more sets of five reps with the empty bar to nail down the form, and then add weight, do another set of five, and keep increasing in even increments until the next increase would compromise the form...[t]hen do two more sets at the current weight, for a total of three sets across with the heaviest weight. And that is the first squat workout."

[–]CQC3 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Speaking of slow progression, I'm a beginner and when I decided to get serious and get a real program instead of doing random bullshit I ended up going with 531 because it seems simple to program for and I could fit in some accessories to be vain, I'm pleased with how far I've come and got the basics down for the major lifts, but the progression is pretty damn slow (because it is an intermediate program of course).

My question is if I do 5x5, I'm guessing this is going to be heavy percentages and volume that only beginners can recover from essentially, leaving no room for anything like accessories or conditioning such as hill sprints? I'm asking because I don't want to blow myself out because I really don't know the line between not being a pussy and too much volume you're not an anime character.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That's a question that can only be resolved through face to face conversation. There are a lot of variables. Key among them do you look like a pussy? Not saying you do but maybe you do in which case I'd advise not to be a pussy.

[–]CQC3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I see what you mean. Yup, I do look like a pussy though much less every month. Guess I'll just continue to bust ass, continue to slowly ramp up calories and foam roll and stretch a shit ton and see where it takes me on 5x5's higher workload.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's what I would recommend

[–]brgrss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have that backwards. SS recommends you start with the heaviest weight you can handle reasonably. Stronglifts recommends starting with the empty bar.

[–]hardly_incognito 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know what greyskull is, but SS works.

The key is to not over-think your routine and just do it. Paraphrasing Arnold here, but he said at one point that if you were to walk into a gym on a busy day and ask the 3 biggest guys in there what program they use, odds are they'd all be different. Who's right in this scenario?

All of them. Whatever they're doing is working. The biggest part about lifting is getting in there and doing your shit. That, stacked with proper eating and sleeping is extremely crucial.

At an intermediate-advanced stage then I can say programming is more essential. Then again, usually all it takes to break plateaus at higher stages is to switch things up, key in on your weaknesses (regarding either physiology or lift execution) and hone in there.

I've been at this for years. I started lifting half-ass at 15, then when I hit 18 I got into far more. I'm 22 now and I'm finally hitting a point where I need to start changing things up more. I used SS for quite some time, then switched to a basic linear upper/lower split, and then from that transitioned to Jonnie Candito's 6wk periodization program... The only thing that's ever really held me back was lack of commitment at certain times over the course of my lifting career.

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's the big diff between SS or greyskull?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The point where Stronglifts no longer applies to your physique usually coincides with the point at which you stop needing to get lifting advice from strangers on internet forums.

[–]sorceryofthetesticle 0 points1 point  (12 children)

GLO, I'm on Stronglifts. Everything is great except I have squat form problems. My ankles are so inflexible that I have to stand my heels on a 45# plate to APPROACH parallel without hinging forward like I'm doing a deadlift. How do I fix my fucking ankles?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Buy or torrent Becoming a Supple Leapard and also watch Kelly Starlets Mobility WOD channel.

[–]Enjoyitbeforeitsover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was reading reviews and heard there was some controversy over squat form suggestions on that book. Im planning on reading starting strength first and then Kellys book second to not read some wrong shit.

[–]lilbro1984 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Buy or torrent Becoming a Supple Leopard and also watch Kelly Starrett's Mobility WOD channel.

Some of the best information available from a very knowledgeable man. Getting a resistance band for distraction while stretching has been one of the best investments I've done thus far to my strength training program. I'm 6'6" and I can squat ATG coming from sprained/ tight right ankle and super tight hips from a 9-5 desk job. I can even hang out at the bottom of the squat without any pain, all thanks to the supple leopard, KS. I recommend his book and channel to anyone that would listen.

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 1 point2 points  (2 children)

By squatting with a wider stance, and pointing your knees out.


You should look like a very wide "V" if viewed from above.

[–]sorceryofthetesticle 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Will do. Does this help ankle flexibility or work around the issue, though?

[–]Luis_McLovin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Invest in a good pair of squat shoes.

These will aid your ankles and mobility on the squat.

[–]SavageOrc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go buy some Olympic lifting shoes. They have a raised heel and you can adopt a wider stance than if you squat with your heels on a plate.

[–]killking72 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get one one of the calf machines where you put the weight on your shoulders. Put like 20ish pounds on there and just stretch out your ankles.

[–]WishfulTraveler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should pick up the starting strength book purely for the section it has on squatting, squatting form, and how to fix common mistakes. I think it will help you out a lot with that.

[–]HAL-9OOO 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What? Don't squat like that, you are going to hurt yourself.

Squat without a bar, feet flat on the ground, no shoes. Go down as far as you can (not to a point that's intolerable) and stay there for 20 seconds. Feel the stretch.

Stand on a step with the front of your feet, heels hanging in the air. Legs straight, lightly dip your heels below the step (toes are now higher than the heel) until you have a nice stretch, hold for 20 seconds.

Do these a few times a day, everyday.

If you can do a bodyweight only squat, butt almost touching the ground with feet flat, start squating with an empty bar.

Start all the above super slowly, if you hurt your achilles it's going to hurt for fucking MONTHS, it's not a joke. You can barely walk if those puppies are injured even slightly.

For me personally, lifting is a longterm life choice, I rather go slow and make sure my form is perfect before pushing limits.

Don't take short-cuts. Ankles will set you back 6 months just to heal if you fuck them up.

I know you asked GLO, but I had a similar issue, and just wanted to warn you about the achillesses.

[–]kansascityqueefs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

contrary to popular belief you can actually squat with your feet angled slightly outwards making the v shape.. your knees and ankles can take this angle as long as you are doing weight that is comfortable and proper form.. a lot of lifters with wider hips/ shorter people prefer this style squat

[–]SavageOrc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Olympic lifting shoes have raised heels. Nothing wrong with squatting with raised heels if you have ankle problems.

Do agree that using a 45 is probably too narrow a stance for most people.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I can't wait for a post from some white guy who got jacked and cucked a shit ton of Indian guys by gaming and driling their wives

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Lol is it possible to Cuck Indian guys? They would need to have girlfriends for that to happen. Maybe if we eat their food and steal their elephants?

[–]BusterVadge 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They are taking all of our IT jobs in return.

[–]Gelu_sf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We're already eating their holy cows for protein. I don't see anything worse western civilization can do to them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please sir I am begging of you please do not steal my elephant.

But srs I'm of Indian ethnicity and bigger than a lot of the guys on here. 6'0 210 lbs reporting in with barrel chest of peace. Benching 225 for 10 reps

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[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Breh you can't steal squats deads bench and linear periodization. The program has been around in various iterations since the 1930s

[–]TNNRR 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I deleted my comment since GLO addressed it in another comment.

I know that routine has been around a while, it just seems soooo close to SS that I think Stronglifts is ripping off of it. But it really doesn't matter. Whatever works. I started with Stronglifts and moved to SS. I didn't have to change anything about my routine - but there is so much great information about form in SS that I consider myself to be using SS instead of SL.

[–]brgrss 1 point2 points  (1 child)

SL is absolutely ripping SS off. It's a direct ripoff. Of course the lifts aren't new but SS put it into the template, no one else had done it like that in such a fashion, then SL came along and ripped it off and marketed the shit out of it.

[–]TNNRR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. That's how it seems to me anyway.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is there any sidebar info on lifting? Also I've got the dad bod but idk if I should cut first or bulk then cut? Can I PM you about routines?

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The one thing that baffles me on TRP is how many guys have never lifted before. I mean if you played any sport in junior high or high school you would have lifted. I started lifting at the age of 12 playing middle school football and never looked back.

And my personal favorite: I am Indian Sorry Please!?!

These get really annoying. I think the mods of AskTRP should send any post with Indian or Asian in it, automatically to the spam filter.

[–]spurdosparade 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean if you played any sport in junior high or high school you would have lifted

This is only valid for USA, lots of people in this sub are from another country. In my country we don't have gyms in junior/high, nor in most universities. Gyms were pretty expensive until 4 years ago, upper class thing.

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I answer a lot of AskTRP posts with one word: Lift

And it frequently gets downvoted and hamsters reply to it being "THAT WONT FIX HIS PROBLEM!" or "WHAT DOES LIFTING HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?"

It's not like I am just blindly posting lift. If I am giving you one word of advice, to lift, I am doing it for a reason, because I think lifting is the best course of action.

[–]Schultz1029 1 point2 points  (7 children)

I don't disagree at all, but can you explain for other people who may not be convinced?

[–]jeezydasnowman 9 points10 points  (4 children)

99.9999% of new members suffer from: porn addiction, oneitis, self-doubt, neediness, to many fucks given. PROPER lifting on the 13 week starting strength program builds physical strength, mental strength (you vs. the bar), comraderie w males who don't suck (fewer bitch n*gas at the gym), and frees up test. It's not about benefits ... it's the Genesis 1:1 of red pill theory.

[–]Schultz1029 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Strength = Confidence, which can eventually lead to benefits, right?

[–]jeezydasnowman 5 points6 points  (1 child)

There's tons of betas at the gym. Lifting is the catalyst but not the solution. You start by lifting, then you study, then you approach.

[–]spurdosparade 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not the guy, but I saw psychological benefits since day one in gym.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 2 points3 points  (0 children)

hormones are fucked, love instant gratification. Lifting stabilizes both.

[–]BusterVadge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lifting increases testosterone more than any other food or activity. Testosterone is the essence of what makes a man manly. So lift. And be more manly.

[–]MikeAlpha93 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I used to think this was a bs answer.

I'd classify myself as a circle alpha - had my shit together and then started going down the wrong road after dating this girl for a while.

My lifting schedule got fucked up, I got small and weak etc. etc. Relationship ended abruptly and here I was being a little bitch about it.

Hit high volume deadlifts for the first time in months last week and I'll be damned if I didn't feel like a king for the rest of the day. Got my shit back on the right path and I'm confident in my future.


[–]lilbro1984 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My lifting schedule got fucked up...

"Always remember that your mission and self-improvement come before any woman." /u/Meat-on-the-table. I don't skip a workout session over some last minute invite to a bbq, or party, or whatever. I have a plan, and they all can wait. If girl insists that we go to any of the above on my day I politely reply I'll be there when I'm done and she should feel free to go without me. Same for when on vacation, I will go to the gym 3 days out of the week. Any other plans are second to that.

[–]ArkAngelEV 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We need to add one more word to just lift. lift HEALTHILY. I also enjoy the root origins of the word, so I think it fits in the wider scope of the preach.

[–]BassNet 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not sure if that was hyperbole or not but I'm in college and 80% of guys I know/see lift. Maybe there's just a competitive sexual marketplace at my college but it seems like most guys my age go to the gym.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

go to the gym != lift.

If they are drinking a shake while leaning on the bench machine, they aren't lifting. Same as if they are wearing clothes you couldn't squat in (jeans, cargo shorts etc)

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I just started lifting and it just makes my man boobs stick out more. Should I bulk then cut or cut first?

[–]jeezydasnowman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't make any assumptions til you've completed starting strength. Just lift.

[–]leinaD-Backwards -2 points-1 points  (14 children)

You realise that most of the trp gods associate lifting with massive overcompensation for a weak ego and many maaaaaany women see a big lifter as instantly broken.

From experience men who see tinder as willing play things women see men wearing muscles as meat head fuck idiots. Yeah you get laid but that's what you're recommending?

[–]jeezydasnowman 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Are u seeing this u/gaylubeoil

Who gives a shit what women SAY they think? Lift.

[–]leinaD-Backwards 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I do lift.

I'm saying it's not all positive. Sorry that I have a slightly different opinion to you.

Yes lifting is great. You fill your clothes better, feel better, sleep better, eat better and are better. Yes you attract more women but you also attract a certain type of woman SOMETIMES.

Depending on who you are but if you're new to the trp throwing a groups of manipulative women at a divorced guy who will literally bleed him dry is a good idea? No.

[–]jeezydasnowman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Any guy who's new here who reads the sidebar (which most don't) understands the perils that come with a relationship.

[–]leinaD-Backwards 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry I forgot the internet user account that's been here longer dominates all!

Giving a pint to a recovering alcoholic fresh out of rehab is a great idea. Throw 5 easy pints at then for free is even better.

Good shout

[–]brgrss 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What the fuck are you jabbering on about? What is the problem, exactly? The guy will attract TOO MANY women? None of this means anything or matters for shit.

[–]leinaD-Backwards 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Again... would you take a recovering alcoholic to a bar

[–]brgrss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So you are worried if a man who is divorced and emotionally fragile lifts this will make him somehow attractive to women who want to bleed him of money? Is this seriously your fucking concern? What the fuck?

First of all, that sounds like an extreme personal issue you are extrapolating to the population as a whole. Second of all I'd think the gold diggers would find easier prey with the weak schlub than the person who is mentally and physically strong.

Also I can tell you don't lift if you think lifting will do any of this, or make a man crawl with so much pussy he's overwhelmed.

What the fuck is this subreddit coming to?

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 1 point2 points  (6 children)

WTF are you on about?

Those guys would have a weak ego either way. At least a weak ego with a good physique is better off than fatty with ego

[–]leinaD-Backwards -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Perfect. Answers everything. You're so smart etc etc what else do you want to hear?

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I want to hear if you plan on AMOGing an endorsed contributor.

I'm not here to discuss truth. This account exists primarily to enforce subreddit rules. No ego to placate, just zeal for the task.

I would suggest passive aggressive shit is womans play, best for a man to avoid it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

I can't blame some of the ECs for getting cynical when every day this place is flooded with boys who think that they shouldn't have to go through all the pains of changing and improving and instead should get a tailor-made 3-step plan to get bitchez and money and ripped.

Also, thank you for introducing me to Lego Moses.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 14 points15 points  (2 children)

When you swallow the Red Pill completely, a good measure of cynicism creeps into all of your worldviews.


Because you understand that every man and woman is an ape built on top of a lizard built on top of a fish.

You understand that all human communication is a smoke screen intended to steer natural selection more favourably.

You become readily-able to identify the people with real potential to survive and prosper based solely on the amount of effort they put into things like grooming or exercising.

Your cynicism is your most accurate measuring stick for identifying people with the potential to become allies. If they're ready now, make a proposition. If they have potential and need some help, lend a hand and watch that small investment grow by leaps and bounds.

And if they're whining about anything at all, mock them until their shame and self-disgust makes the necessary corrections.

[–]NikoMyshkin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not really cynicism tho is it? It's the end of blind faith/assumption and the start of reason: the start of calling a fish a fish.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 5 points6 points  (2 children)

The ECs have gotten so cynical that the Blue Pill can no longer identify and ban their Blue Pill shill accounts. In fact CisWhiteMalestrom was such a false flag specialist that he has the honor of writing a few of Blue Pills most upvoted posts.

[–]AmericanHistoryAFBB 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I want to see some of these posts. Thats hilarious. I've done the same thing actually using a separate undercover "blue pill" account.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

CisWhiteMalestrom was such a false flag specialist that he has the honer of writing a few of Blue Pills most upvoted posts.

That is hilarious. Poe's Law strikes.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

It's a shame, too. OP correctly calls out the sour grapes you see on the MGTOW side - they get the message, but lose the lesson a lot of the time.

TRP is so much more than PUA. It's a goddamned revelation.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 11 points12 points  (1 child)

It's one thing to learn information, it's completely different to act on that information. The root of the problem is that the modern education system has conditioned millions of young men to argue over insignificant details, stay within the box and do nothing.

[–]reecewagner 14 points15 points  (8 children)

You know, I really enjoy a lot about this sub and have benefitted all around from Red Pill wisdom, but if there's one thing I could do without it's the needless condescension and bravado from several posters here, and u/GayLubeOil you are by far the worst. Not every man on the planet needs to be a juiced up hairy beefcake taking gym mirror selfies to meet your vague and chodey standards. I give zero shits whether you're endorsed or how many articles you pump out a week, you're transparently doing it primarily to satisfy your own overinflated ego anyways and I'm under no obligation to read it in order to be a part of this forum.

[–]2niczar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Learn to not take things personally. If you insist on being offended, go hang out with feminists, they might be more of your type of crew.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The Red Pill suffers from a Fifth Column problem were in weak insecure betas water down our message of self improvement and elitism. I mean yea sure I could write in a neutral tone. However I have a job to do and that job is to draw out the undermenschen so that they may be Purged by our mod team.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want to have a chart setup. Between you and Dr warlock, I'm not sure which one is doing better ATM

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yet still have the ego to proclaim your disdain for it. Don't forget 'respect the tag' and 'no moralizing' in the sidebar, at the top.

You can pick and choose whichever tools you wish, thats the nature of RP.

In order to be a part of this forum, you need to learn and accept the sidebar rules, because we all look for reasons to cull the weak, and this statement stays up as a warning to others.

Only warning

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Don't hassle the Original Gangstas. First and only warning.

Instead of trying to tear down others, fix yourself.

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[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here, I'll spell it out for you.

The only reason GLO makes your blood boil is that his very presence and persona plays upon your inner weakness and fear.

You need to work on removing that weakness and fear, not on removing GLO.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP has been given indefinite timeout. Time to consider why what GLO does affects him in any way, but not enough to post his own value.

[–]McLarenX 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Very funny! Although I will disagree with you on the "bro split": if each day has a heavy compound such as bench, squat or DL, you can still get some badass results. Some years ago at age 17 I did what the magazines said and about 4-5 months later the steroid accusations began. It worked because I was consistent and had a good diet. I have a more adapted program now, but 5x5 simply isn't the end-all bible. NUTRITION is! training is maybe 15-20% of your overall results.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I would agree with the stipulation that you need to squat 2 to 3x a week

[–]McLarenX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yup at least 2x, preferably with another heavy leg compound such as stiff leg deadlift or heavy prowler sled

[–]_vend7u 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey what program did you see in the magazines and what was your diet like?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if you're getting biblical, don't forget Proverbs 12:1:

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction is stupid.

the Word, people. Your Grandpa's sidebar

[–]1StoicCrane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Darwinism at it's finest. Technology makes it easy for everyone to survive but only those who exert conscious effort will thrive. The rest will wallow in existential mediocrity. TRP is no different than reality in that sense.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your arrogance and ego never ceases to amaze me but atleast you make me laugh.So you are Moses ? ☺

[–]Syberr 0 points1 point  (0 children)


What is this?

[–]gjs628 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know that saying: a dog says to himself, "My human feeds me, plays with me, takes care of me, and is always there for me... He must be a God!" whereas a cat will say, "My human feeds me, plays with me, takes care of me, and is always there for me... I must be a God!"

It may not be the same thing, but the problem here is that women think they're goddesses because they're told they are, whereas men think women are goddesses because they're told they are. But nobody ever tells men they can be Gods. It's up to men to decide that for themselves.

The man who understands that he is a God in his own right, from birth, but only if he acts like one and earns the right to keep his status, is the man who succeeds. A God does not let the affairs of mortals affect his God status. His Godliness is not dependant on those around him. A God is the epitome of his potential, and his potential is always changing. A God is strong; a God is empathetic; a God exercises wisdom in judgement; but a God also understands that there is always better.

Take the Bible stories for example, whether you believe them is irrelevant. It describes God as Perfect in every way. Yet he was not satisfied. His creations became grander and more complex over time. He created the universe, but the universe is a thing. As time passed, it turned to creating life. God wasn't happy with just Being. God wanted to Be More. His creation was flawed, you might say, but was it? Because the only way for something to be a certain way is for it to break. If rock was unbreakable, there would be no sand. And if sand was the ultimate form, there would be no need for it to condense into an definitively harder substance known as Rock.

I realise it's an abstract example, and none of us are really bulletproof supermen, but the point I'm trying to make is that the odds are stacked against us, and the only ones we can rely on is ourselves. We are capable of a certain number of things in our lifetime: some can be Olympic athletes; a man born without legs will never win the Kickboxing championships but that doesn't mean he can't be an Olympic swimmer. Not everyone will be an astronaut, but the world doesn't need 7 billion astronauts. If you choose to skip gym, eat badly, take shit from women, you are not living up to your personal Godly status and therefore you only have yourself to blame when you are treated like a mortal.

I'm only trying to demonstrate that women are assumed to be perfect whereas we're assumed to always fail, and failure is often a choice rather than a random occurrence. Stop choosing to fail and take back your personal God status, and give those around you something to look up to.

[–]riverraider69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, in a tribal society the mix would be closer to 90% beta and 10% alpha. Most men do their job and take care of their woman/children. Only a select few have the genes or luck to be the chief, or the chief's son, or the best hunter.

In a society when women have the state as a "husband" if they get pregnant, there is a much lower need for betas. The proportion should probably be closer to 50-50 for women to actually start to appreciate a good provider.

So I'm sorry, but it looks like you'll have to do a lot more climbing the mount Sinai before things are remotely chill again.

[–]Black-Pill 36 points37 points  (4 children)

My 30+ years in the SMP before TRP probably fell under the Circle (Serial) Alpha category.

Even with my deeply ingrained distrust of women and their ulterior motives beaten into me during the first 10 years of my life and then seeing and experiencing that distrust being validated/reinforced over and over again during the following decades ...... I still eventually fell, time and again, for the simple but powerfully delusional and narcotic BP Ideal ..... This one is Different/Special

The reason I fell is just what OP is trying to point out... I stopped doing things for myself. Once that happens then you give up your power in a relationship (and in your life) and the slippery slope of Beta Doom begins.

The Red Pill is the only answer that I have found that can combat the Narcotic Toxin of the Blue Pill. It is not easy and it is not a one shot deal. You have to take the pill again and again.

Because as Morpheus said -

Morpheus:The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

Neo: What truth?

Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.”

The Blue Pill Ideology will never stop trying to seduce you, no matter how Enlightened you become.

Stay Vigilant

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Maybe some of the younger guys will learn when the lessons come from someone grizzled with experience.

[–]Black-Pill 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Even with prior knowledge the best teacher is real life experience ... Knowing and Doing are completely separate things.

I believe one of the things that should be stressed is that Failure is an Option, is in fact a necessity. If you are pushing the envelope in any or all aspects of your life, then you are bound to fail at some point or another.

The key take takeaways when you fail at something is to learn from that mistake/failure (something I didn't do for many years) and just as importantly, to get back up and keep fucking trying (which I did do)...

-as a side note-I prefer to think that I am more Hardened by experience, rather than Grizzled with it

[–]p3n1x 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This falls under being 'comfortable' in the 'uncomfortable'. For the newbs, Experience Never Stops! Don't "stop" just because you had some mind altering epiphany. Climb the ladder until you are 6 feet under.

[–]Black-Pill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Climb the ladder until you are 6 feet under.

Or hit The Wall ... at the bottom of your casket

[–]NeoreactionSafe 46 points47 points  (3 children)


You saying that you're opting out of the dating game is a lot like a paraplegic saying they're opting out of marathons--it doesn't count.


That's a funny line.

The rule I have mentioned that defines the boundry from beta to "authentic" MGTOW is that the guy must have at least had sex once.


The No Virgin MGTOW Rule.


Typically after you lose your virginity your confidence is boosted and you go on a string of banging chicks because all of a sudden they want you because your dick begins to work.

After you exhaust that tangent and see the bigger picture with the oppressive Blue Pill emotional indoctrination then you are at that stage where MGTOW makes some sense as a sort of retreat from the madness.


[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, pretty much. Though you're more generous than I am in that regard. Maybe I'll get there in a couple more decades.

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is one of my all time favorite TRP posts... sidebar material.

As a regular on AskTRP you see it every day. Guys who are exactly what the first sentence you wrote is - they think TRP is just some kind of quick fix method to apply that will help them win over their oneitis. They think they just need to apply a principle here or there and their oneitis will come running into their arms. And then they wonder why it doesn't work. "Hey, I just took the Red Pill 14 hours ago, and yet my oneitis isn't reciprocating with me. Why isn't it working?"

You have guys on there who break iron rules and try to hamster away their reasons for it. Common Example: "Hey TRP, I know that an iron rule is not to cohabitate, but I did it with by LTR because <insert bullshit reason here>, anyway, she is showing less interest in me, what do I do?" They are iron rules for a reason, dumbass. You are breaking an iron rule and wondering why shit isn't going the right direction?

The one point I want to hammer home that should be plastered on the sidebar is:


It's not a quick fix. It's not a get women quick scheme. It's a lifestyle that demands patience, discipline, and time. You won't see results right away. If you are looking for immediate results, TRP isn't for you. It requires sacrifice, doing a 180 in how you approach and perceive life, and focus.

Some men, when swallowing the pill, are further along than others.

You have fat ass tubs of lard who do nothing but watch anime, play video games, and smoke weed all day who are repulsive beta faggots. Then you have guys who are not that far gone, such as a guy who has the looks and appearance and lifts and is in shape, but just sucks really bad as a beta. The latter guy doesn't have as far to go, but still, he will be in for a long transition period.

Think of swallowing the pill like planting a tree. It will be months before you even see a sprout. It will be a couple of years before you start to bear fruit. You have to be in it for the long haul.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (7 children)

Dear god did you guys read the post? He's not saying you need muscles to get woman, stop hamstering. If you're getting muscles for pussy you've already lost. Muscles are for self improvement. They're for reclaiming your purpose as an Alpha Male whose both physically and mentally capable of intense and difficult situations. This fucking sub has gotten so beta the past year, I feel like I'm going crazy.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It's that there purple pill nonsense of trying to soften TRP. I've never done a single rep for a woman; my love for lifting is entirely based on the straightforward nature of the effort in--results out dynamic. And it's instilled a discipline in me that's been great for all areas of my life.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Either he didn't read the post, is a non native English speaker or a victim of the shitty American education system.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't really see it as a problem to start lifting for getting more attrative to women. It's better to start lifting for the wrong reasons than not starting to lift at all. Sooner or later said person is going to enjoy lifting regardless of what women think and is more than likely going to change his motivation to something else than women.

Also, once you start lifting, increase your testosterone levels and get some muscle mass and more confidence you are going to care less about other people's opinion anyway. Whatever reason you need to motivate yourself to start lifting is to me a good reason.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Most people who lift primarily for the sexual attention of women do not ever get past newb gains.

Why? Because going out to bars/clubs loaded with 20 somethings and getting drunk is WAY more effective for getting pussy as long as you don't dress like a fucking loser or look ugly.

Personally, I lift because I feel great after a workout and it's like a little competition I set for myself. Always trying to lift more, run faster, complete my bike circuits in a faster time etc..

For video game nerds, I like this analogy.. It's like gaining experience points in real life and "leveling up". You get more powerful and better with various physical skills the more you train and keep at it.. However it's not 100% like a video game because you will also LOSE these experience points if you don't keep the routine going.

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No better feeling than doing a heavy leg workout early in the morning and experiencing the after effects the rest of the day.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll take that over "Day 3" anytime.

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[–]MrBowlfish 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I don't know why you're getting downvoted. These are the kind of hard-to-hear RP truths that got me interested in TRP in the first place. I think it's hard for many men to face the fact that a good chunk of the female population will cheat no matter who they are dating.

[–]spurdosparade 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You just described hypergamy.

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[–]tallwheel 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Being alpha makes women want to fuck you, it doesn't mean they'll cheat any less.

I agree, except for maybe with this one statement. A woman will certainly cheat on an alpha, but she is certainly more likely to cheat on a beta.

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[–]meh613 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I don't give a toss if a plate "cheats" on me. That is what we've agreed on, I "cheat" on her, and because I see her as an equal in terms of her sexuality, I don't mind her doing the same. Why is this a big deal?

[–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (1 child)

We were talking about marriage and LTR's above, obviously, not plates.

[–]2Sepean 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Women cheat on their rich alpha millionaire husband's with the beta pool boy all the time.

With an alpha pool boy, sure that could happen. A beta pool boy, very unlikely.

Also, lots of rich men may act all tough and savvy on the job, but then they come home and act all beta for their wives. I'm around lots of rich men, they mostly go by "happy wife, happy life" and are totally blue pill.

[–]playofthegods 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've experienced the "Beta to Alpha back to Beta' state, and will add that this process is common for many men because they are reconfiguring their ideology from a lifetime of blue-pill upbringing.

It's more like a spiral where your 'alpha' nature grows, and even jumps up in levels with some life lessons - while the beta diminishes more and more each time.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you. It's a marathon not a sprint. Guilty of the mistakes & have caught myself & it isn't easy. Starting to get results while still in the anger phase can cloud your views as well. I'm so appreciative of these words.

[–]Fulp_Piction 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For further reading; Rollo has a post called 'Buffers' that deals with this.

[–]McLarenX 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Very good post. "Fake MGTOW" will probably describe a good 50-60% of posters here: sexless men looking for answers and not accepting that THEY are the problem.

[–]RPFlame 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And the cherry on top is commenting in the equivalent of Cosmopolitan-tier content but TRP edition, the one that talks about random women being women, so they can go "DAE agree with this lol what a slut. Oh well, back to browsing askreddit".

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The thing that starts manifesting beta tendencies in me is comfort. When life sucks and you're lonely and poor then you're driven by pain to take a hard look at yourself and work hard on your mission every day. When you have a pretty, submissive girlfriend who cleans your house and gives you blowjobs whenever you want and your bank account is overflowing then it's like there's no longer a reason to care and it's incredibly easy to enjoy that comfort while you gradually turn soft.

My life is real easy right now so I'm trying to solve this problem. I've internalized enough from past struggles and what I've learned here that at least I know better and give a fair effort on some days, but I'm definitely not giving it my best. I've even considered ditching the girlfriend just to take away some of that comfort.

I'll echo what's in the comments though. When I go lift it's better and the rest falls into place. (Other intense exercise helps too TBH) I try to minimize computer and have been spending time on more masculine hobbies as well with male friends. So any tendencies are nowhere near as beta as a few years back when I didn't have any idea what I was doing wrong.

[–]DDOS_Feeler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I appreciate almost every advice that you shared. Thank you!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Too many people use TRP like its a more comprehensive version of pick up artistry...in other words they recognize that it works, use it to get women, but they never actually internalize it. It's like pretending you're a Christian so that you can pick up women at Church. Sure, it'll work for a time but eventually they'll see you for the imposter you are

Example: read "The Game" by Neil Strauss (a beta sellout btw) and you'll see what happens when men pretend to be alpha without fully internalizing alpha...they find a "unicorn", get one-itis, and revert to their beta ways.

[–]nsareadsmyemails 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honest ask: I find myself going alpha-beta-alpha although currently the alpha phase stays longer. Actually, I don't even like to call myself alpha, it's more about how solid NY frame is. Has anyone who was a real beta that transformed to someone who can hold frame regardless, tell me what is the single most important thing that turned it around for them?

[–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the biggest problem is people take the pill to get a wife/girlfriend and live happily ever after and after they get what they want they drop sub altogether.

Its pretty clear pussy has power over men. We are fixated to it, because we must reproduce that's our job. It can beat a guy into submission even if he's ran through the sidebar over and over.

For a lot of guys there biggest enemy is lack experience and denial. People think they've swallowed the pill because they've read trp or subscribed for "x" amount of time. Its not until you actually apply the shit learned here on a daily basis, and it becomes a good act, and then you keep applying it until it becomes a habit, and that habit becomes who you are. When you naturally do what is considered red pill without thinking about it, then you can say you are a red pill man.

[–]BloodRedAlert 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man this shit is so true it's not shit.

[–]iNeTriWenTd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Excellent writing, thank you. I have experienced what you are speaking about and every single time I knew it while iI was doing it but I did not want to face it. Acting no TRP causes a weird feeling while you are doing it from the very beginning and after you have done it, it does not leave you. Let me share you here my experiences. In my life some changes come instantly, some come with time. I can realize (like fully understand, see through) things in a flash, in other cases I need a lot of time to be able to see. That is something we have to work on, in my experience. I am restless until the given issue does not "disappear". Till it bothers me in any aspect, I know I have to work on me to be able to understand it.

Have you ever cheated on someone? Have you ever been disrespectful towards another human? Have you ever screamed at a little child because he could not "behave"? You can hamster it and find ideas which can help you to veil your disintegrity, you are free to do that. Or you can act as a TRP man, you are free to do that, too. TRP means integrity, it contains so much more than sexuality. Making decisions is the first step, you will make bad ones for sure, you actually have to. But making them according to your highest consciousness is an imperative so you will be able to learn. Fear is a great hamster-spinner so is greed, do not let them influence you. Practicing decision making and watching out for the real motivators behind decisions can help a lot. Every poor decision will give you a weird feeling like "okay, but something is missing..."Then you search and you will know why. Determination is needed, "I want to know the truth and it does not matter what it takes." That attitude is brave and the minimum.

After a while you do not have to make decisions because you see what you have to do and it liberates. Decision making is always a compromise, if you have taken A you will be thinking about B and vice versa, you will never be satisfied. However, this road is to go at first and you have to do your own filtering. Always look for the real causes. After practicing that you will need less and less decisions since you know what to do. A TRP man is everywhere and always a TRP man. That means for me that he is willing to learn and does not let his knowledge accumulate but internalizes it. Everything you know but you do not practice becomes a burden and you should discard it, providing you can not live it (yet).

[–]FrootPicker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"The man who truly takes in the RP will recognise that changing his stripes takes time. You're undoing decades of indoctrination and learning new skills and modes of thinking. It isn't going to happen overnight."


[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How to be alpha: surrender your own personality completly and become a douche

[–]Gman777 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Its not a religion or a cult. I've had great success by cherry picking and tweaking advice and knowledge, according to situation and type of woman. There's an unhelathy emphasis on AWOLT, and an assumption its all innate and part of nature. I've noticed a MASSIVE difference across women, mostly depending on where a woman was raised- cultural/ social norms and values. TRP is mostly heavily biased toward USA white females. Some of the advice does not work as well on women from different cultures. Your aloofness might be attractive to one culture, but it will get interpreted as disinterest or insult, or even having you mistaken as plain stupid by a woman from a different culture.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Disagree. I live outside the West, and pretty much everything still applies to the women here, and everywhere else I've traveled. Women's nature is the same. Culture can mitigate their nature to a point. The culture is their OS, but the underlying hardware works the same with women around the world.

[–]Gman777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dunno, its just not been my experience. Not to say that basic underlying nature isn't common, just that it needs to be tweaked and tailored to suit. White women in the west are often raised to think they are the centre of the universe, that they are all princesses, and they will all get some rich prince charming with a giant cock. Women elsewhere are just not taught that rubbish, more realistic, less bitchy. Imo, things like negging, which work a treat in the USA, simply put off/ insult women in other places.

[–]flanderin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post, exactly sums up attitude most guys I know who follow and read trp (including myself) have.

Being a better man day after day is hard work. Reading, nodding and having a wank is more fun.

Guess it's time to sleep and load up some willpower.

[–]vorverk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This post is great. Asktrp is full of halfTRP-ers giving shitty feel-good advice. They understand the dynamics roughly, but the advices are just wrong. There are occasional good comments, but true TRP-ers are rare. So, good TRPers, if you're reading this, go vote and comment in asktrp every once in a while.

[–]HungLikeA_Moose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The main problem with the second half of the pill is - like many other theoretically interesting subreddits (eg NoFap) - it often comes with a load of bullshit which makes you feel like you joined a weird ass sect. This post about how if you're in only 99% it means you're out, proves this point very much.

Tl;dr: don't be such god damn fanatics about this shit

[–]MyLeftShoeIsRight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, great post! I've been mentally fucked since finding TRP and i didn't even realize this was me until I read this post, but yeah, this is totally me, im the half red man. Fuck. Anyways, I started listening to No more Mr nice guy on audible and i can't even explain how much i identified with it. I'm sad, disgusted with myself, ashamed and just pretty much full of rage for my behavior and allowing women to treat me the way they have. I'll be listening to the rest of this book this weekend and seeing what i can learn from it and put it into action. I even went to their site to see if they had any support groups in my area, but they don't. Im deeply fucked up in my head, does anybody have any experience with their forum or should i just try and seek help from a professional?

[–]balamory 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy shit why am I still subscribed to this sub of crazy extremists.

good laugh tho.

Just seeing the sub colour of pure red makes me slightly angry (Not in a bad way) just I can feel, even though no one is typing in caps lock, it just feels like every single comment and post is being yelled.

[–]BlackJ1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The decision has been made for you by the marketplace. You saying that you're opting out of the dating game is a lot like a paraplegic saying they're opting out of marathons--it doesn't count

What do you mean by "it doesn't count"? Nearly every man can raise their SMV and become successful with women. The "fake MGTOW's" are simply men who don't want to make the effort.

You can't compare a paraplegic to a man who does not take steps to become successful with women. A paraplegic really has absolutely not chance of running a marathon unless we somehow develop technology to access his brain and move him.

In most cases the "fake MGTOW's" you are referring to can have great success with women if they take their time to improve themselves.

[–]aanarchist -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

tldr you're not making the same life choices as me and i don't like it because you have to live the same way i do so that my life feels validated, so i'm gonna shame you until you agree with it and do as you're told like a good little beta.

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