Field Report[FR] What going on 4 dates with 4 different girls in the last 4 days has taught me (self.TheRedPill)

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Summary: Read a post about "Dating down" and then pursuing abundance mentality. Currently have 2 plates and casually dating an HB8. HB8 is doing some study abroad or some other bullshit program so I have more time to pursue other dates. Thought to take this week to "date down" and try the HB5-HB8 range and see how that worked out, realized abundance mentality is very real.

Warning - bit of a long post. Feel free to skim, but I wanted to capture some self-realization points that hopefully will resonate with someone else and help him to go on a similar adventure.

Intro: Have killed most of the beta that is in me, but that 10% that still lingers somehow keeps rejuvenating. Still a hopeless romantic. 6ft, light brown skinned, Texan characteristics living in the Northeast US. For some reason, women up here are amused by a brown man wearing boots and knowing how to swing dance. Women rate me a 7/10 right now sitting at 220 pounds, just two months ago I was a 5/10 sitting at 250 pounds. Still trying to get down to 190 pounds to reach that Adam Levine jawline.

Body: I took the week to go out, put a little effort on OKCupid, and at the very best rack up 4 plates, and the very least, get to explore some of the city. Met 2 girls of OKC, 1 at a bar, and 1 girl of YikYak (surprisingly).

Day 1: HB7 Bar, we met up at a bubble tea place. Proceeded to get bubble tea and then explore some neighborhoods around Boston. It's the summer, so it helped keep us cool, and I got to show her my adventurous side. Ended up eating dinner at this hole in the wall place, and I asked a lot of questions to get her to open up and didn't reveal too much about myself whenever she asked me questions in turn. Took her to this area by the river to see the sunset, and while I was looking at that, she began to kiss me. After a makeout sesh, I offer to walk her home since it was "dark out and the city was probably crawling with Pokemon Go players who might rob her of her pokemon." Ended up getting a blowjob, but then stopped from having sex because "she's not that type of girl." Set her on the back burner and didn't text her. She texts me this morning saying she wants to take me to play laser tag and then watch a movie at her place while she cooks. Potential plate

Day 2: HB8 OKCupid, we meet up for fresh pretzels at this stand in Boston Common, and she tells me how she does modeling and some acting on the side. I realized this was to somehow juxtapose the two of us, so I treated it as a shit test and followed the "how to talk to a model" guide I read somewhere on the interweb. Got past that, and she started feeling a little insecure, so I shifted the frame to me and told her I was a mad scientist (I actually work in a lab... played out well at the end of the date). Ended up sitting around in some park, finished up our pretzels, and I didn't think it was going anywhere, so instead of looking at her, I took the time to look around and people watch. Then, she just comes over to where I am and holds my hand. After a bit, we lay down and look at the clouds.

I was about to end the date because I thought it had gone on long enough, but she made some excuse about being hungry and wanting to get food, so we explored a bit of a neighborhood nearby and found a cafe that made sandwiches. I think she must have felt some connection, or at least valued me being there, because she paid, and then started talking about how she used to be obese. After she lost the weight, she got these modeling and acting offers, but I was the first guy who didn't treat her "like a piece of meat" since the weight loss. The beta in me awoke a little, and grasped the life-line, and I talked about how I used to be 280 pounds in high school and almost killed myself because of the bullying. Being so fat to break the railing in my closet and being so close to death at that moment sparked my drive in fitness and power lifting. She leaned in and kissed me, then turned bright red after pulling away.

We were close to my work, and I had to pick up a few things anyways, so I told her to tag along. I think this was probably a bad move on my part, not sure what TRP thinks about this, especially on a first date, but I seriously did not give a fuck and really wanted to get home instead of coming back to work after dropping her off. She was amazed by the lab, and special treatment from the guard (treat service staff like your friends - it really does pay off, plus why be an asshole?). We get in the elevator to go back down, but I don't push the button and start kissing her against the elevator door. She starts getting grabby and reaching from my zipper, but then the elevator starts moving down since someone else called it. We both leave, her much more red than me with silly grins on our faces. I didn't text or call after that, and she called me last night and said she wants to come over to my place with some takeout tonight... I didn't object. Can't pass up free food right?

Day 3: Pictures said HB7, real life screamed (I'm not even going to refer to her as a 'hot babe') a 3. Solid 3. She met me at a bar, I was already a beer in. I just ordered a small appetizer to eat, split the check, and left. Fucking hate photoshop and "angles". Really piqued my abundance mentality and IDGAF. Called up my plate and had some fun.

Day 4: HB8 Yikyak she was into gymnastics and worked for a financial firm. Screamed "career girl". Did a similar routine as the girl I took out for Day 1, but different locations. Ended up fingering her while we watched the sunset, right next to the Charles River. Afterwards, I'm walking her to her place, and the hamster kicks in where she tells me she has never done that before, and she's not that type of girl. I lie too, and tell her I'm not that type of guy and she just took my finger's virginity. She caught on and started laughing and I ended up screwing her that night. In the morning she texted me pictures of hickies on her neck and scratches on her back and said "I guess my boss will be less concerned if I wore a turtleneck to work in summer than if I showed up with these." She wanted to meet up tonight, but I told her I had another date planned, and she said "after that girl finishes, let me show you how a gymnast gets a 10/10."

. . .

Summation: TheRedPill tells no lies. I came back here after a break up where I was transformed into a beta, and left at 250 pounds. I have cut down to 220 pounds, and still have 30 more to go. I came her two months ago thinking the love of my life had left me. Today I have finally gotten into the state to realize abundance mentality is very real, and for some reason, not giving a fuck about women and making sure you are having fun makes women want you more.

In the beginning, I was thinking "Who wants to go out with a brown guy that could easily pass off as Raj from Big Bang Theory after he had gained 80 or so pounds?" But honestly, race only matters if you let it mold who you are. I don't identify as brown, or Indian, or whatever else someone who saw me at first glance might think. First I am a Texan, and then I am an American. Exude that vibe; embody that identity. All my dates picked up on that, especially whenever I said "y'all". Service staff in the Northeast all noticed I'm polite, and that seriously goes miles.

I've come a long way since where I was before, and I have much more to go. Dating down has definitely worked at generating that abundance mentality and the "IDGAF" attitude. I think I'm having some feelings for that actress/model girl because we had a similar obstacle to overcome, but hopefully my abundance mentality will keep me from latching on too soon and becoming a clingy blue pill beta.

As always, thank you TheRedPill for everything you have done and the knowledge you have provided.

[–]1lurkingtacopiller 145 points146 points  (20 children)

Love the 7 that turns into a 3. You handled her a lot better than I would have, I would have peaced out immediately. Nice FR though, it's amazing how much easier this all gets once you do it consistently and realize they all work the same way.

[–]jeyshawn 87 points87 points [recovered]

I honestly thought about leaving, but she took a 30 minute train ride to get there, and I was enjoying myself at the bar. Ended up getting the cute bartender's (HB9) number, and the bartender keeps telling me she doesn't know why she gave me her number. She says it's because she has never had a guy from Texas at her bar, so I'm just going to ride this and see where it goes.

Sidenote: Is it just me, or does every mediocre bar and up have a really pretty/hot bartender? Even the men are handsome (no homo).

[–]lilbfuckedyobitch 48 points49 points  (2 children)

Do you think it'd be a wise idea to hire unattractive people to serve when your goal is to sell as many drinks as possible? Nice FR btw

[–]jeyshawn 18 points18 points [recovered]

Honestly, I thought that would keep the patrons from harassing your workers. But if some bars have hot bartenders, I would definitely go there compared to the ones with Fatty Kathy bartenders. I see your point now.

Thanks for the support!

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I thought that would keep the patrons from harassing your workers

as long as customer pays you let him, if bartender leaves the job, you can quickly hire another one, because the market is oversaturated

[–]phohunna 99 points100 points  (5 children)

Don't say no homo, who cares if you can recognize men as handsome?

[–]MuhTriggersGuise 31 points32 points  (1 child)

I've taken "no homo" to mean "a little homo". There had to be an inkling of attraction to even think "I better say I'm not gay".

[–]juliusstreicher 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Nothings wrong with no homo. It clarifies, and gives a little comic relief.

[–]Maleden 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Seems like it. Gotta encourage those sales, plus bartending seems to be a fairly attractive profession, sorta like DJs

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is everywhere. If you were a smart businessman, then would you hire ugly people to be the face of your business? Same thing happens in grocery stores. The register folk are more likely to be young, cute girls, and they stick the old lady in the deli to shed facial hair into the macaroni salad.

[–]helio2k 3 points3 points [recovered]

How did you get the bartenders number. Was your 3 gone? Or did you really not give a fuck

[–]jeyshawn 5 points5 points [recovered]

The 3 had left, and I was just holding the beer to my head like I had endured the biggest headache in a long time. The bartender giggled a little, brought me a shot to take with her, and we laughed about how some dates were let downs. She gave a hint that she liked my stories I told the girl, and she'd be interested to learn more about the "wild wild... Texas is South..." So I offered to take her out on her night off, and got her number. We got a date for Sunday evening.

[–]RichieFinn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My friend works in a pub with lounge girls (3/4 of whom are aged 19-20 and attractive).

One day, He hands his boss a CV some girl had handed in earlier in the day. His boss asked was she any use? (phrase for asking if shes attractive here) My friend took it as like did she seem like an okay person, so he replied yeah she seemed nice. His boss replied "no as in, would you?" ...and so my friend replies "oh, okay, yeah she wasnt bad"..........his boss threw the CV in the bin right there and then.

[–]corsega 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I really don't understand dudes who constantly claim they meet girls online that don't look like their photos.

You guys need to learn how to vet people better. Hint, reverse image search or google their name + workplace. If they don't have their workplace, covertly get them to reveal it via text.

Every girl I've ever met with has looked better than her photos.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In this case propably inexperience with those kinds. OP seems like he didn't encounter those too often.

[–]1jb_trp 59 points60 points  (32 children)

Protip: Whenever someone feels the need to mention "HB8"/"HB7"/etc., subtract 1-2 points.

[–]jeyshawn 19 points19 points [recovered]

Oh sorry, didn't know that was a thing. I usually just rate them 1-10, but thought TRP on reddit used "HB" as a preface for the rating so people don't get confused.

Thanks for the advice.

[–]1jb_trp 84 points85 points  (25 children)

One of the biggest problems I have with the number system is that it overinflates women's value. 5 should be average. But people think in terms of grades (i.e. A=9/10, B=8, C=7, etc.). It puts women on a pedestal.

Throw out all the obese women/fatties, they don't get a number as they are undatable. A 6 is above average. A 9 would be movie star hot and only less that 1% fall into that category. There are no 10s.

The reason this happens is because nobody on TRP wants to write a FR saying they went out with a 5 or 6. It doesn't make a very good humblebrag (which is what most FRs are anyways).

It's okay, though, I prefer an average cute girl with a decent body who's not a pain in the ass... They make much better company.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (3 children)

We need to come up with a consensus on the average standard deviation of the HB scale

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (5 children)

I prefer the area code system

First number 0-9 is face, second number is 1=would bang 2=wouldn't bang with someone else dick, third number 0-9 is body

Butter faces are 417 or 418 BBW are 714 or 815 And Margot Robbie is 919

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Margot Robbie is 919

No, she's a 917 at best. No boobs, flat ass, no curves. She's thin, but she's not fit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

To each their own she is close to ideal for me and I disagree that she isn't fit. However I take it case by case. Allison Brie is another close to ideal for me so idk

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To each their own she is close to ideal for me and I disagree that she isn't fit.

Fit doesn't mean 'not fat'. Margot has no muscle tone. And she's flat like a pancake. http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/margot-robbie-in-a-bikini-at-a-beach-in-byron-bay-december-2014_5.jpg

Allison Brie is another close to ideal for me so idk

She's a 718. Above average, girl next door face. Great body, great breast, fit, more curves, flat ass though. A year of squatting and she's golden. Solid HB8, nothing more.

[–]Diirtyvato 7 points8 points  (1 child)

An average cute girl who's got an ass is good enough for me.

[–]Lsegundo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...Good enough for you for now. Keep improving and you can up the bar to an amazing ass or some other personality traits that you desire in women.

Women that pass the test now might not make the cut in a year or two.

[–]1lurkingtacopiller 23 points24 points  (8 children)

We should honestly go with Dante Nero's (Patrice's) scale from 1-30. 1-10 is ugly bitches, 11-20, is regular bitches, 21-30 is fine ass bitches. Then each tier is broken down once more by ugly, regular, and fine. So an 18 is a fine ass regular girl, 22 is an ugly ass fine girl.

Best scale out there

Edit: fixed my typo thanks to the gentleman below me

[–]trippinallday 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Did you miswrite that? Why is 18 a fine ass regular girl but 22 is an ugly ass regular girl? Do you mean 22 is an ugly ass fine girl?

[–]1lurkingtacopiller 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah shit 22 is ugly ass fine girl. My bad

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes he miswrote it, you are correct

[–]Moolg86 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I'm struggling to imagine an "ugly ass fine girl"

[–]The_Turbinator 4 points4 points [recovered]

Think of a supermodel with that starving african child face.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this. I've seen some uggos with bodies that were killer, and vice versa

[–]1lurkingtacopiller 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The way I usually think about it is this: first reaction, is she ugly, average, or fine? After that I start to look closer. If the initial reaction is 'fine', then you stack her up against other fine girls you know, and look at the finer details and eventually you realize that while she is fine, she's on the lower end of fine. Not ugly by any means, but if she's surrounded by other finer fine girls, she's the bottom of that respective totem pole.

[–]kellykebab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1-10 number scales don't overinflate women's value, people do.

Seriously, there's no foolproof system for stupid. 1-10 is a great metric if you're talking to an observant non-retard.

[–]for_the_cause 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I too have seen the Jim Jefferies sketch about this and could not agree more.

[–]Lsegundo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't see how separate ratings for face and body makes any difference to the lessons being shared.

Instead of 3 he could have said she was not pretty in person like in her angled pictures.

[–]Genetically_Awesome 15 points16 points  (3 children)

seriously. HB7 and above are very rare on OkCupid and almost always have dates lined up if they are single. They wouldn't be hanging out with some chubby Indian dude. Just doesn't happen.

and then some random HB8 from YikYak? come on, really? You expect me to believe there is a HB8 gymnast on YikYak that took time to meet with this guy vs all the other guys in the world that would be hunting her down?

His FR are complete bullshit OR the girls are really 5's and 6's.

[–]Random-Reddit-Lurker 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Different dudes have different scales.

I respect his judgment.

[–]BassNet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that it's unlikely but some girls don't like to hook up in their social circles because it causes drama/rumors so they resort to alternatives (like Tinder, which is what I use primarily)

[–]Docbear64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Believe it or not while many women love to ride the cock carousel some are a bit more careful about managing their social circles than others or may not have people surrounding them that they find fuckable. Or even more so some women crave the tingles , I have met attractive women on apps such as YikYak who just needed someone to satisfy their tingles and that night the guy was me .

It's not at all impossible , improbable sure , but attractive women are women just like the ugly ones... they just have more options.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's just so fucking subjective that it's worthless. Honestly if you're going to distinguish between extremes by denoting a 3 vs 8, that is a little useful, but the difference between a '7 and 8' is probably not all that much, and wayyyyy too prone to subjectivity

[–]grewapair 113 points114 points  (24 children)

I can feel your pain, dating down to 8s.

Once my McLaren F1 was in the shop and all they had as a loaner was a Masarati. Not even this year's model! I was ashamed to drive it, but whatevs, it was only for a day. I guess that's how the 99 percent live.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine 20 points21 points  (6 children)

You drive a McLaren F1? That's wild, I can't imagine being in a position to shell out that much money for a set of wheels. What kind of work do you do?

edit: whoosh, my bad

[–]1ToSeeAndToHear 27 points28 points  (1 child)

... Is this missing the point or running some A&A?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Lol actually totally missed the ball on this one. I had this page open in a separate tab at work, got distracted and then forgot the context while I was reading the comments. My bad.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

his comment was a joke about dating down

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

he doesn't actually have the cars

[–]jeyshawn 27 points27 points [recovered]

This gave me a huge smile. Sorry if I sounded pretentious "dating down" 8's. I usually chase after the 9's and 10's, and my last "love of my life" was a 10 (blonde, 5'6", 130 pounds with a great ass and nice rack).

Feel free to pass a beemer or two my way if you got any. Right now, I'm rocking my truck :)

[–]yumyumgivemesome 40 points41 points  (11 children)

This is a good reminder that we all have different perceptions of beauty. I would consider 5'6" at 130 lbs to be a little on the thick side.

[–]TestoclesBalls 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Definitely a little thick lol

[–]jeyshawn 9 points9 points [recovered]

Kate Upton is in my eyes a solid 9 or 10. Chelsea McGhee is right up there.

Kate is 5'10" and 141 pounds. My girl was like a mini Kate Upton, with plenty of curves and a tiny waist.

But you're right, beauty is different for everyone.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Kate Upton is in my eyes a solid 9 or 10. Chelsea McGhee is right up there.

People really throw around 9's and 10's way too loosely...

[–]LukesLikeIt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kate is 10 rack 7 body 7.5 face. Solid 8 I'd say.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I once believed my ex was an HB7. Took some guys on this sub to wake me up and reconsider her position. She turned out an HB5. I doubt anyone on here has fucked a real HB10.

It can also be an indication of the pedestal and hampering your chances. Once I began judging hot girls more harshly their flaws were revealed to me. I used to overvalue every girls looks because I wanted to see beauty. Having a more realistic view helped me up the success and own confidence.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You've also got a good amount of height and weight on me. Totally makes sense that you'd prefer the type of girl you didn't have to worry about snapping in half.

[–]Lsegundo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It depends on how toned they are. Both these women came up as 5' 130lbs I wouldnt have guessed they were the same weight. Maybe its an error.



[–]yumyumgivemesome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The 2nd pic makes sense. I feel like that 1st woman must be lying.

[–]slay_it_forward 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe you can do a post on how to pick up 10s as a morbidly obese Indian in America?

[–]Gawernator 1 point2 points  (2 children)

That's somewhat overweight for a girl lol

[–]2awalt_cupcake 26 points27 points  (10 children)

Find and share the 'how to talk to a model' I'm interested in a red pill perspective of engaging with a model.

How old are you? 2 months and back in the game is exciting man.

Good read.

[–]jeyshawn 44 points44 points [recovered]

I'm currently 21. Done with school, moved out to Boston for work. Thanks for the support brother.

This was an article from 5 years back. Not so much RedPill, but more of Alpha Male: Treat "high-value/status" women like you are the boss and not how they are normally treated by society.


The key line you should take from there that I haven't seen on TRP is asking "Do you do print, or runway?" That shows you know pretty much 90% of what modeling is about. Then follow up with "Haha, sweetheart, what else do you do besides that?" She'll cave and tell you that by day she's a paralegal/receptionist/students etc.

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[–]jeyshawn 7 points7 points [recovered]

Exactly! When placing order, I asked them what they wanted and told the waiter both of our orders together, etc. Just things like that - show her you're in control.

[–]MuhTriggersGuise 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I've found women generally really like it when you order for them. Not deciding what they eat, but talking about the menu and what they want then telling the waiter what you both want when they come to take your order. Usually it's no problem, but every once in a while you get some chuckle fuck that then asks them "is that what you wanted?" As if they need to be a white knight and make sure m'lady is really getting what she wants, and that her "brute date" isn't forcing her to eat what he says. The women always have such a look of annoyance and disgust when the chuckle fuck sticks his nose in and forces them to affirm. Funny part is, the servers never notice the disgust, and have this "ooo see I got your back girl" attitude. Like they earned some"nice points" and may be able to redeem them for sex later. Typical betas.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've never, ever had a problem discussing the menu and then ordering for her. To a person they have all smiled and liked it. For one, it shows you are paying attn.

[–]Atuli 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Was still a good article, it's like amused mastery but specific to models.

[–]RedPistola 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You ask them in front of the waiter and then repeat it even though the waiter already heard? Or you ask before hand

[–]fgejoiwnfgewijkobnew 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"how to talk to a model" guide


[–]KnowBrainer 31 points32 points  (21 children)

Sounds exhausting. I'd never do 4 dates in 4 days.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Most I've done was three sequentially. My bank account was more exhausted than I was, and I wasn't even buying them drinks.

[–]jeyshawn 18 points18 points [recovered]

Honestly, I was just tired of staying in my apartment after work.

My schedule is as such:

5AM: Awaken the dragon

5:30AM: Ready and set to go to the gym

7:30AM: Done eating postworkout, showered, and dressed for work. Hop on the train.

8AM - 6PM: Do work. Get cash money. Occasionally get on Reddit.

6PM - 11PM: Free to do whatever.

I was just watching random stuff at home during that 6-11 slot, so I replaced them with dates. I like exploring etc. but didn't want to do it alone (one of the beta things - need to learn to be more of a lone wolf), so I set up dates around things I wanted to see/checkout. Got to see Chinatown, North End (Italian area of Boston), Beacon Hill + Boston Common/gardens, Back Bay and Charles River... it was nice to not do those things alone.

[–]Pewdielockz 43 points44 points  (7 children)

You are only sleeping six hours? For me this would never be enough.

[–]SW9876 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I wake up at 4:30 and go to be at 6 pm. This guy gets up and basically goes to bed at least 5 hours later. Crazy

[–]Strangeclouds420 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Do you have time for plates at all with a schedule like that?

[–]SW9876 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It makes things harder. I definitely wouldn't recommend this schedule permanently, it's just a temporary thing.

[–]GainzdalfTheWhey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

thought the same, i need 8

[–]LordThunderbolt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Less because he doesn't instantly knock out when he touches the bed. So we'll day 5h of sleep. And he says he's a powerlifter now. I don't believe it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Funny, that's the only thing that jumped out at me as well

[–]Sip_py 2 points3 points  (4 children)

6 hours of sleep? Outside of your workout, do you use anything to keep your energy up?

[–]jeyshawn 7 points7 points [recovered]

I have plain black coffee (16oz) with a packet of brown sugar a day.

[–]slay_it_forward 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Cut out the sugar if you want to drop the remaining 30.

[–]rapeape666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know what they say. Creamer no weiner.

[–]massivewang 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Props for getting out of your place at night and seeing the town.

Really props for all of it. Grabbing a hold of your life and moving toward progress.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i did 17 in a week. after you get out of an LTR, you need to build your game back up. sure, it's exhausting, but you get a lot of plates really fast.

[–]RedPareidolia 9 points10 points  (4 children)

this was an excellent FR to read. I have yet to relate to your experiences but I feel as though i'll be in a similar situation once I hit the gym hard. Anyways through a constant rotation of plates, it does become difficult to catch feelings for a particular one unless you begin over investing. Thus continue to meet newer girls and continue improving yourself. Great post

[–]jeyshawn 3 points3 points [recovered]

Thank you very much! I appreciate the support!

More than hitting the gym hard, I found what worked for me was diet. I went 2 months on Keto and lost a shit ton of fat. Keto honestly is the lifestlye to go if you're fine with being lean. But in order to get that bulging chest and arms, you need carbs. I switched to carb cycling now. The weight is coming off still, but slower. I feel better though and not like I want to die in my bed of hunger each night.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You felt hungry on strict keto? You've got to be doing it wrong my friend.

[–]jeyshawn 3 points3 points [recovered]

Sorry forgot to mention I had my calories at 1500... I felt sick trying to reach 2000+ calories eating all that cheese and meant...

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When I lost weight I ate 1400ish every day, sometimes lower because I couldn't get it down as I was so full from all the fat.

You being hungry truly surprises me, I was only hungry when eating CICO. I ate around the same amount of calories but always ended up quitting after 1-2 months and gaining more weight then I started with.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 26 points27 points  (9 children)

I tend to see how the redpill has turned into tinfoil philosophers arguing about feminism, geopolitics, immigration, psychology and so on when in the core, the red pill is just about what OP wrote: sexual strategy.

No need to overthink it. Keep yourself desirable and healthy, stop putting women on a pedestal, trust no one, focus on your success. Boom. Nothing else needed.

[–]jeyshawn 10 points10 points [recovered]

I completely agree with this. TRP needs to get back to the basics: about improving your own life by being a leader. The ultimate goal is to unearth that inner Alpha.

Politics, immigration, etc, should be kept with the Mass Media and other panhandlers. Keep your own views on that.

[–]jazerac 1 point2 points  (4 children)

What would you say are the TRP basics that really helped solidify everything and make the biggest difference?

[–]jeyshawn 12 points12 points [recovered]

  1. Working out is key - must be done at least 3-4 times a week. I do it every day, except lift 3-4 times a week, and then do stair master/inclined treadmill for 1 hour my off days. Increase your testosterone plus muscles are nice.

  2. Recognize you are the Alpha and don't feel the need to prove it to other people - seeking validation is Beta.

  3. Just because you are the Alpha does not mean you are to walk over everyone else. An Alpha is a leader and protector. If a Beta gives resistance or tries to usurp the Alpha, you can defend yourself but no need to make a show of it.

  4. Talk less. Be discreet. Respect everyone's secrets and privacy.

  5. Always put what you want and care about first.

[–]jazerac 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Good points. Especially the talking less bit. I always found myself mindlessly blabbering to women trying to impress them and seeking their validation. This has now changed. I am the prize, I am the great catch, impress me!

As far as being Alpha goes, let me ask you this. Lets say one of the girls on this date did not respond well to the kino or you going in for the kiss? What would you have done? Would you have just walked away, voiced disapproval, or backed off and try again?

[–]SetConsumes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Red pill has many layers. It started as sexual strategy, but for those that care it gets into the reality of local and global society too, and plenty of politics and what not.

[–]throwthisshitaway7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yep, I have yet to figure out how "the globalists" and the Jews have anything to do with me getting laid. And if anything, feminists are easier to bang--but that's probably because most of them are not hot at all... I will say psychology is useful though.

[–]SetConsumes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not everyone cares about the full reality of our existence.

Globalists or not(you can't directly prove or disprove that they exist), our rulers have setup a system that we are subjected to and understanding it does have large benefits if one has high aspirations.

[–]Senior Contributordeepthrill 18 points19 points  (0 children)

She wanted to meet up tonight, but I told her I had another date planned, and she said "after that girl finishes, let me show you how a gymnast gets a 10/10."

Dat preselection at work.

Take note, newbies. Most people would be scared to say something like this out of fear of offending or whatever excuse they'd make, their anxiety masquerading. But take note. She didn't shirk away. She felt the need to prove herself. It got her wet.

Girls would rather share an alpha than not have him at all.

[–]hagolu 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Dude, as a 21 year old brown Indian guy (don't identify with any of that tbh) I respect you a lot because I was in similar position (student in good university, 2 year relationship, broke up, got oneitis for her, depression worst feeling ever).

But now after volunteering with UN and interacting with girls from different nationalities, I have discovered frame and confidence matters the most with girls.

Gotta ask you though:how do you plan dates? how do you get from talking to kissing to fingering to more? BTW saved your post for future reference!

[–]jeyshawn 30 points30 points [recovered]

You've literally described my life and where I was left in May.

Volunteering with the UN is amazing! Get to know some Brazilian and Russian girls for me!

I plan dates based on where I want to go. I'm not going to pick a location way out there, or something usual like "Starbucks" shudder. Go on Yelp, find restaurants like hole in the wall places (I've been on the hunt for the best calamari in Boston - have been to as many restaurants that serve calamari and invite dates with me). My work is close to downtown, so there are plenty of options and it's in the center of everything. I just wash my face and head out for the date because my work clothes are usually date attire (button down, jeans/dress pants, nice shoes). Also, don't be boring and do the same thing. Everyone does coffee/tea/drinks. That's why I do bubble tea/broth/pretzels/something else. From there, if it clicks, I'll invite them to join me checking out that restaurant I originally planned on checking out. I would have checked Google Maps to see any parks/gardens nearby, and stopped by there after dinner to just people watch or talk or see the sunset. During the date, I would step up kino. If she is flinching when you touch her hands, her hips, and the small of her back when you are walking, she isn't going to kiss you. If she looks at you and smiles when that happens, she will kiss you. Plain and simple. On the bench, I usually make my move, point at something in her direction, then land my arm right behind her shoulders smooth. If her face is turned from me, I tell her "I'm going to kiss you right now". Don't say "Is it ok if I..." or ".... kiss you right now, ok?" Don't ask. Tell her. If she really doesn't want you to, she will tell you no, or end it with just a peck on the lips.

From there, keep making out. Be the first to pull back. Smile, push her hair back. Make out again. Rinse and repeat. Then let your hand grab her thigh. Maneuver so you're more angled towards her. Slowly move your hand up her thigh up the skirt. Feel her underwear. Then go from there, and before you know it using the finger technique she'll be cumming on the bench. Make sure it's dark, and there aren't people around staring. Try to get a secluded bench area. Keep kissing her so that the moans are stifled.

[–]hagolu 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Thanks bro! Btw Brazilian chicks are wild! hahaha

[–]jeyshawn 3 points3 points [recovered]

Definitely! Oh my god... Those curves. You can never tell where they start nor where they end. Even when they have a super skinny waist, somehow they keep the top and bottom, just how I like it.

[–]Ted_From_Accounting 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I live in Boston myself. In Back Bay specifically...I walked by a guy sitting on a bench along the Charles River a few weeks ago finger blasting some girl.... was that you? hahah you should be using tinder...not OK cupid.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine 6 points7 points  (1 child)

See, this is a great post. There's no whining, there's no useless information that let's OP jerk off to how badass we all think he is - it's just straight stories and the conclusions he drew from his experiences. Thanks for writing this out.

[–]int3rnetz 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Are all these from okcupid?

[–]jeyshawn 5 points5 points [recovered]

Two are from OKCupid, one is from a bar I met, and the last is from Yikyak (this social platform app where everyone is anonymous but you can still chat. Basically a knock-off reddit)

[–]int3rnetz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think I downloaded yikyak one time, it was anonymous if I remember, how do you get girls on there?

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Related ROK article, though some of the points are to be taken with a grain of salt.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

That's awesome man. Congrats.

You handled the ugly chick better than I would've.

[–]jeyshawn 4 points4 points [recovered]

Thanks for the support!

I watched the "Fat Girl" and "Fat Guy" tinder experiment, and was upset guys would just walk away when they saw the fat girl, but all the women stayed to talk to the fat guy, who actually had game and ended up getting kiss closes from most of them. From that, I just stuck around to be courteous. If I was having a bad day, or at a bar that sucked, I would have probably left. I was having fun at the bar, talking to the hot bartender and got her number, so in the end, it was a bit of a win.

[–]talcobh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

thats just how it works, game matters more than appearance for guys, if you were a painfully awkward or creepy dude that would be about the same as an ugly girl. unlike most women though we're usually at least courteous to the ugly girl

[–]disgruntledearthling 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, be classy and polite is always the best strategy. I've stayed and had a beer with some okc fatty that had a 'nice' pic from a weird angle. Would never just walk out on another human.

[–]Atuli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Solid fr man. It's insane how quickly you can get to just not caring at all on dates and just having fun with it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm from Toronto and the girls are very stuck up and have an entitled mentality, so I don't even consider approaching 9's and 10's when the 6's act like they are 9's and 10's.

TBH I have trouble with the dating sites, I'd say I'm about a 6-7 but I know my game needs work. What's your game like on those sites?

[–]jeyshawn 2 points2 points [recovered]

Honestly, it's a numbers game in large cities. Online dating is great for hooking up if you're hot. If you look like Zac Efron or Chris Evans, girls will literally line up outside your apartment to fuck you.

If you're like me, and you've got a little pudge and no pictures of you shirtless looking like an Abercrombie model, then just message as many as you can. I take a little time, about 1-2 minutes per profile to skim through. Then I'll send a line about a book, or a personal experience relating to their's and go from there. I have a hit rate of 20% message back, and then of that 20% about 30% are down to meet up and don't flake.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A line about a book? What do you mean by that? You just promote books on dating sites? lol

[–]Gorkildeathgod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude, I' going to go do 75 pull ups to celebrate your enlightenment.

[–]BloodSweatandFears 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Most women know they are worthless and when you acknowledge it to their faces they get even more desperate (read: more interested).

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

and that shit works like magic. I discovered that a couple years ago and never heard anyone else say it until now.

[–]Valkuil 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How do you tell em that? Directly?

[–]SetConsumes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Telling women things directly is usually not the best route. Speak their language to be more effective.

[–]BloodSweatandFears 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The key is to actually have more worth and self-esteem than them.

[–]SearchForAns 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"The beta in me awoke a little, and grasped the life-line, and I talked about how I used to be 280 pounds in high school and almost killed myself because of the bullying. Being so fat to break the railing in my closet and being so close to death at that moment sparked my drive in fitness and power lifting. She leaned in and kissed me, then turned bright red after pulling away"

Sharing a story like this where your life was shitty and you decided to make it better is not beta, especially when communicated from a place of security and strength. Everybody likes stories like these because it shows you've got humble beginnings and you've got the mental strength to look at your situation, realize this is not how I want your life to be and then change it for the better. It's also a great lifelong habit.

And paraphrasing from models, you shared a vulnerable aspect of yourself, and you didn't really say it because you wanted to get laid, you said it because it defined you and it's what made you stronger. Strong and secure people will admire and respect you for it and the timid and weak will resent you for it, because they know they don't have it in them to turn their life around like you did.

[–]silverfox007 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Man I could be fingerblasting girls, instead I'm lying in my bed all day.

Also that last line the gymnast said was hot.

[–]jeyshawn 10 points10 points [recovered]


Watch the Shia Labeoff video "Do it". I watch it every day before I go to the gym or am feeling like not doing something, and have an audio clip saved for when I need to listen to it but am in public and don't want wandering eyes to see.

Seriously, if you don't go out there, you're letting perfectly good pussy go to waste!

[–]wimmyjales 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I knew I wasn't the only one who took that video seriously.

[–]XelentGamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing, also cool to see someone else come from the 200s to the ripped through range. Girls started paying attention huh? To me I learned a lot from the fact that girls will notice hot guys. Anyways yeah thanks for the write up.

[–]1edwardhwhite 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very good a and a with the finger virginity

[–]HungLikeA_Moose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But honestly, race only matters if you let it mold who you are. I don't identify as brown, or Indian, or whatever else someone who saw me at first glance might think.

Basically you're saying that appearance doesn't matter, if you "don't let it mold who you are". I think it doesn't get much wronger than that.

[–]RealMikeHawk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You picked up a girl off Yik Yak? Lmao I thought 95% of Yik Yak users were thirsty dudes

[–]Random-Reddit-Lurker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This guy is doing life correctly.

[–]raydid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you plan what to do on all 4 of your dates? Or was it just doing whatever seemed right at that moment?

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 1 point2 points  (3 children)

A lot of losers are reading this saying "no way". But it's really that easy. You just have to look okay, be confident, and practice.

And don't be needy.

[–]jeyshawn 2 points2 points [recovered]

I honestly thought this was a really modest/humble FR. I wrote it to have a record for 1 year from when I started, then 2 years, so on till I catch up to GayLubeOil.

Some posts talk about threesomes or bagging multiple girls in one day... Idk if I could multitask that much, so it's not appealing. I just hate doing things alone, but want to go exploring, so dating seemed the best option.

[–]Docbear64 1 point2 points  (1 child)

For the guy who has been thinking about asking one woman out for the past 3 months ... your Field Report is almost like you saying you walked on water unfortunately.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man I am amazed at those results, you're incredibly light on the asshole game and these bitches still roll over for you. Just chipping in with some possible insights. Make sure that none of these women view you as BetaBux.

You're doing the whole dinner, long talks & sunsets thing and this might lead them on thinking you're potential LTR material. Maybe you're on the same page. Still, I'd go for the BetaBux test because it settles you on a solid initial frame.

The BetaBux test is pretty easy, fuck her like she's a porn slut. Do it dominant, rough and even degrade her a bit if she's into that. I'm sure you read some posts on TRP about how to do this. The point is that if she views you like AlphaFucks she'll gladly submit and lead you to her dark inner sanctum of sexuality. However, if she resists and acts like some innocent inexperienced girl..

She is playing you for a fool, not giving you her best and planning on locking you down into betadom

I have a no bullshit policy regarding this one after my first girlfriend played that card and you should to. Remember that if you don't demand her best (sexuality and looks wise) she put you lower on her ladder. Should any of these girls (they are plates after all) perform lousy non kinky sex two times in a row- instant soft next.

Be assured that they are lying. Any girls above the age of 20 will have a plethora of sexual experiences and she's not an inexperienced special snowflake. The only reason why she would hide her sexuality is her desire for commitment. In that case, communicate to her very directly- that inexperienced girls ain't your type.

You will be surprised how quickly the slut jumps out of the closet.

[–]Steve_Wiener 1 point2 points  (3 children)

you went from being obese to getting 4 dates in a row and two or three lays out of that right off the bat? that seems suspicious.

but whatever. good for you

[–]jeyshawn 4 points4 points [recovered]

Haha, I'm still quite a bit pudgy. Don't have the abs or chiseled chest or anything, but I've got the arms starting to show. I only got one lay, but kisses and a blowjob. This didn't happen the day after I came back to TRP. The exact date was May 16th, when my last girlfriend, who I thought I was going to love forever broke up with me on graduation date from University. It took me a little over 2 months to get to where I am now. I think when I get to where u/GayLubeOil is or another Pro-Redpiller, getting laid 4 times in 4 hours by 4 different girls will be a piece of cake.

It's all about taking steps. Before this, I went on a few dates, didn't have abundance mentality, and didn't get laid as easily. I was more timid. I have found the more risks you are willing to take, and the less you are willing to care, the more rewards show up, which is counter to many ideals I have been taught previously in life.

[–]LordThunderbolt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

GLO is in a relationship with one girl. Don't believe the hype here dude. They're all just regular dudes. Some will inflate their lay count. There's no "Pro-RedPiller". Just a bunch of dudes behind computers. Take everything you read here with a grain of salt.

[–]LordThunderbolt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't believe most of what you wrote. You're a powerlifter who only sleeps 5h at night? Where does the power come from for the lifting?

If you're gonna post a field report like this, at least add pics to back up your post.

[–]enjoytheloss2 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Next step of dating is to invite the girls straight to your house.

[–]jeyshawn 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm not attractive enough or bold enough to do this yet LOL... would love to see a post on how to do this

[–]corsega 2 points3 points  (0 children)


If you look through my post history I also wrote a post on why I do this and some strategies.

[–]Shaigan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Few weeks ago I set up tinder date at my place, backfired hard. She was way uglier than in pics. It was first time that happened with tinder dates, but anyway.. never again

[–]Rando-With-The-Bando -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Just learn to cook and invite them over for a home made dinner. Don't be douchey, don't frame it so tightly that you can't pivot to another activity if she's not comfortable.

I usually offer drinks at X or I could show off my chef skills and make you a home cooked dinner. Maybe _____? Cuisine questions lead to travel stories lead to the rest. There really isn't much more to it than that.

[–]mack_and_the_boys 0 points1 point  (1 child)

'HB8 is doing some study abroad or some other bullshit program'

What is bullshit about studying abroad?

[–]ramzito 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Noob question: all these girls seem like sluts to me. Number 2 might be actual LTR material (modest and shy/blushing) but appearances deceive. She took the initiative to kiss and did reach for your zipper. That looks like a red flag to me. What I mean is that despite her pretending to be a nice innocent next door type of girl, she is just as slutty as the others (awalt). What do you guys think?

[–]jeyshawn 2 points2 points [recovered]

That's the thing though: women can be sluts when they want. Even the most innocent of girls will turn into your personal whore depending on who you are.

[–]ramzito 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, all women can be sluts but some are everybody's slut and others are your exclusive sluts. To me, it shows that a girl has no standards when she gives sex/blowjobs/etc. on the first date with a total stranger like in OP's case. It's usually a red flag when that happens as odds are that she might have done before with another guy. I always like to do a background check or look for clues.

[–]AmericanHistoryAFBB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is awesome. Keep up the good work! Hopefully many of us will follow your lead and succeed.

[–]El_Robertonator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hickies are for middle schoolers. If you feel compelled to leave some trashy mark on her, do it somewhere it can't be seen.

[–]02dfe4 1 points1 points [recovered]

Being from St. Louis/Missouri, I've been thinking hard about moving to Boston or some other city in pursuit of higher I.T. wages/better quality of life. Would you do it again? How easy or difficult is it to rebuild your social circle after moving to a totally new place?

let me show you how a gymnast gets a 10/10


[–]jeyshawn 3 points3 points [recovered]

This is hilarious... I worked in St. Louis last summer for an internship.

Let me tell you - being a white man in St. Louis is great. Being a brown man in St. Louis sucks. It's one of those unique cities that still has a lot of racial tension, much more so than Texas. I was in Austin, and it wasn't as bad there, but it was really bad in St. Louis.

If you are happy with your social circle, and happy with your life/where you live, stay in St. Louis. Central West End is a fantastic neighborhood, and there are plenty of beautiful yuppie women around there. Lake of the Ozarks is close, and you can't beat a Cardinals game.

Boston is significantly less racist of a city. There is a lot of history up here, and it reminds me of London except with more space. It is shit hard to rebuild a social circle. Maybe it is because of the area I work in, or maybe it is because I don't know where all the happy hours are or the right bars to go to meet guys my age. It is hard to make new friends in the real world because it is practically like cold-calling. In St. Louis, I tried buying a round for a table and butting in. They enjoyed the round, told me a few spots to check out, and then bounced. It was just a casual encounter. I haven't tried the same here, and have been focusing more on myself. I find I am spending time with people from work or the few friends from high school who went to Harvard/MIT/BU or those that moved to Boston for work.

As for quality of life, salary, etc, I think it is much better up here. Haven't experienced a ice cold winter yet... but I like the place I live and the neighborhoods.

[–]2kez88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Despite what just about everybody on TRP advocates, women love getting to see insight into your life. Just don't be a beta about it and open up them about every insight and detail into your life thinking it will help them 'connect' with you or some shit. The dates where I've had the girls the most attractive and fucked them the easiest were typically dates that revolved around my life somehow and I worked them into it because 'I was going to do it anyway'. Things like picking something up from a mates house or dropping into the parents to grab something, having a drink with mates cause I'm at a bar etc. Females brains are hardwired to try to gain access to your life, showing her small parts of it and how you own and run the people and things in your life turns her on a lot. So I'd say bringing her to your work was fine as long as you do it because you were going to anyway, and because you're not trying to gain her approval from it (which you weren't).

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

great fr man. I ahve some questions.

1) when was there " a ah" moment for you with abundance mentality?

I've been doing this shit for 2 years now and I feel as if I'm not there yet.

(note: just thought of this. What if, I am there now, and i don't realise it?)

2) it has only taken you too much will you teach me the way?

[–]jbrendlinger6152 0 points1 point  (0 children)

women dont want to be loved they want you to be something they admire

[–]1walkingthelinux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This guy fucks - in a good way. Browns guys who feel disadvantaged take note.

[–]DennisReynoldsAMA -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Finally a good post in a while, I guess I'll say it.

[–]andAutomator -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good read, OP. motivating. Still working out the creases of my former beta.

[–]zedsdedforever -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Great FR man. Keep these coming as I see them starting to influence the better FR's to come out.

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