527
528
529

Red Pill ExampleUncle Vasya’s Guide On Dating Models (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev

Uncle Vasya’s Guide On Dating Models

Ok, so this has come up three times recently on askTRP and so I have decided to turn my response into its own post on the main subreddit., as one guy suggested.

Pull up your chairs, fellas, and let Uncle Vasya tell you a tale.....

In my time I've dated a few models and a (minor) TV personality (while officially too "short" to be a model she was a total smokeshow and was the "lifestyle" correspondent on a news magazine type thing). She’s also been on some magazine covers—not Sports Illustrated but hey, it was still cool. Anyway, this will also apply to those of you who actually land your “one-itis” (although you will probably fuck that up), strippers (who present their own set of unique problems) and/or just an amazingly super-hot chick.

Oh, and before we get to the “Where do I find…” bit, you already know the answer. Your dating options in “East Booger, Idaho”, or “Asswater, Kansas” are already going to be pretty limited. Maybe you can get the former head cheerleader, or the ex “Miss Corn Blossom” or whatever. Beyond that, pack your shit up and move to where the hot chicks are. For me, that was NYC, co-incident with me finding work there.

The Positives:

-You are banging a total smoke show.

-You will discover you no longer need reservations...anywhere.

-They usually have a line on where to get great coke, anytime, anywhere. Probably shouldn't mention that one.

-A lot of them are totally cool, and completely dig it when a guy isn't fazed at all by them being models.

-Once you get one of them, you can usually get more later. Pre-selection in action.

The Negatives:

-Narcissism, Entitlement, blah, blah, blah. They get validated from the time they get up to the time the go to sleep. Then they get validated in their dreams. Then they get up and check Instagram, where they were validated overnight by an army of pussy-worshippers. You should not, of course, tolerate any bad attitude. When I get this from a girl, I tell her that I will "spank it out of her".

-They whine a lot about being "objectified"--until you don't objectify them anymore. As I sometimes advise guys in askTRP when their girls say “You only want sex!” card, play the “Be worried when I DON’T want to bang you anymore” card.

-Lots of creeper guys hanging around, offering them cash, trips, drugs, whatever...and, oh, yeah, dick.

-Another variant of this is the White Knight who feels he must “rescue” her from your evil clutches, despite the fact that she has zero interest in being rescued. She clearly doesn’t know what’s best for her and he does. Why? Because he's a "creeper variant". White knights reason that women want men who are "Noble and Good" and sine he is more "Noble and Good" than you are, she "should" want him and not you.

-You will get a lot of "Hmm. How did HE get HER?" looks. Bask in it. I've had guys ask me what was up, when my date went to the Ladies', and I generally say "I'm a millionaire and I have a dick down to my knees.","* or whatever gets them to go back to pondering the mysteries of the universe and not bothering me. OTOH, I have returned from getting fresh drinks to have one of my girls hand me a stack of business cards that she was given in the 10 minutes I was gone. /shrugs

-People will tend to follow any conversations you have with her in public, which is really a function of (a) her being super hot, and (b) “How did HE get HER?” You can use this to your advantage, sometimes. To wit, once upon a time, I was at an airport with an Uber Hottie, when it became clear that fucking EVERYBODY was listening in on our convo, because they all laughed when I treated her like a tardy child when what would have been “expected” by bluepills was that I should have bowed and scraped. So when she commented on it, I said, “Yeah, first, it’s because you’re the Super Hot Chick at Gate 15 and there’s NOBODY in 2nd place. Second, they’re all trying to figure out How I Do What I Do, the answer to which is, I have Gigantic Brass Balls that go ‘KLANK!’ when I walk.” So I acknowledged the situation, and then turned her focus back to the Narrative.

How to Make it Work:

-Stay Loose. If you try too hard, it’s going to come off like you’re…trying too hard. Don’t be this guy. Srsly. Next thing you know, you’ll be humping her leg.

-And you will also need "Sean Connery as James Bond" level Amused Mastery. Treat her like she needs adult supervision--TELL HER that she needs adult supervision.

-And You need Solid Steel Frame and Industrial Strength "Don't Give a Fuck". Like "The Outlaw Josey Wales" level DGAF.

-Expect nothing long term. Assume things will have a beginning a middle and an end, and that your job is to enjoy the FUCK out of the middle. When the time comes to let go, let go. Don’t lose your shit and fall into the Abyss. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

-Always remember YOU are the Prize. Presumably, you have made yourself exceptional in some way to catch her attention. Don’t fuck that up. Ex. I front my own band. We used to have a guitarist who could totally shred, and was pure joy to play with. Then he got married—to a girl who was a 6 at best. Ultimatums were issued. He had to quit, he doesn’t play anymore, he’s miserable and his wife is unhappy, too, because the cool guy she married is a middling guy now. Women kill your dreams.

-Possession of the Ass is 9/10th of the Law. One of my girls had the absolute Rear of the YEAR and would complain about nobody being interested in her IQ. So I started to refer to her ass as her IQ. When you see me with a woman, I will always have a hand on her somewhere. On the small of her back, when we’re walking, on her thigh when we’re driving, on her has when I want to feel her ass, etc.

-You ARE the Boss of Her. You take NONE of her shit. It's like catnip for them. You impose your will. One told me she was going to get a tattoo--because really, go ruin yourself to show how edgy you are. So I told the ONLY tat she was allowed to have was a tramp stamp that read "PROPERTY OF: VASILIY ZAITZEV". She giggled, and loved it.

-Call Her on Her Bullshit. One of them shit tested me (sort of) by showing up to our first date (which was a blind date), wearing no makeup whatsoever. I saw through this in 0.00000002 seconds. She looked great anyway, but I knew what was up. She pulled that again, once, when the relationship was established and I told her she looked like shit (she didn’t’ actually) and to go put some makeup on, which she did. I have never seen her 'dressed down' since.

-You need to 'Force Multiply' your game. Girls who are 'next level' hot get offered dick All Day, Every Day. You need to double down on gaming other girls1 and you need to mix in some condescension, liberally. Enough so she knows what the boundaries are. You LEAD, she FOLLOWS. Never let a bitch run your shit. If you do, you’ve lost.

-Understand Your Quarry. At the end of the day, she's a human being, and just a girl…standing in front of a boy…asking him to love her. Gag! I know, but like I said, you have to understand your quarry. They don't think (at least always) like we think. If we were them, we'd be coked up and lezzing out with other hot models, all the time. Now, some of them do actually do that. But most of them want every girl wants, they just have tyranny of choice. You are completely replaceable, unless you can get her to say this: "No guy has ever [talked to me/treated me/done this to me] before!"2 And that’s good news! Why? Because….

-You Need to be a Challenge For Her. Keep her a bit off balance. She has to think that she has to EARN your time, such as you spend with her. Like you might have half a dozen other, better options. The danger is to succumb to the dazzling radiance, but no, your eyeglasses must be the Deepest, Darkest Red.

-Create a Narrative. There is no substitute for game. Without it, you’re just another bluepill asshat who wants to drink her bathwater. Flirt. Tease. Tell her what you’re going to do to her. Create anticipation. Other times, I just say outrageous shit, and let them figure out if I’m joking or not.

And enjoy the ride. It will all likely come crashing down at the end. Relations with women that age are inherently unstable and transient, (unless you get a severe introvert who just wants a boyfriend and then never wants to go outside again. One of my girls is like that. Two, actually.) Back on the the Walls Tumbling Down, one of my favorites was an Eastern European number that my friends nicknamed "The Hotness". And then they started calling her that in front of her. It got to the point where they always expected that I would bring her and were disappointed if I didn't.

Once, early on, when we were out walking some guy at a cafe stood up, took off his sunglasses and tracked her like he was working for NORAD. I stared him down and when he looked at me, I said, "Eyes on your own paper, son." I made some joke about it to her and she said--without a trace of irony--"Oh, that happens all the time." Fu-u-uck. So that's what you're up against.

She wound up going to Europe for the summer season. As I knew that being the clingy guy who couldn't let go was a non-starter, I cut her loose (there wasn't really another option at that point), met a semi-famous actor....who turned her into a coke whore. It was painful to watch, long distance. So you hit the "eject" button and start over.

So when and if it happens for you, enjoy it, but there's so much shit that can go wrong, just Live In The Now.

Good luck.

V/Z

1 As appropriate. This won't be as necessary with introverted girls. There was one who I am sure would have burst into tears (or had a seizure) if I had gamed other girls in front of her. She hated other guys hitting on her and watched over me like a hawk so that other women were scared to talk to me.

2 Most recently I was chatting with a girl I flirt with and she was going on about how she wants to get away from her work, blah, blah, sycophants, blah, blah, and other bullshit. I have created a narrative with her and we have discussed her hanging out up at my place....where I told her I would put her to work in my garden. She was a bit nonplussed by that suggestion and asked what else she might do and I told her she would sunbathe nude by my pool and get fucked a lot. Now, that may never happen with that girl, but she didn't exactly run away, either.


[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 33 points34 points  (2 children)

They usually have a line on where to get great coke, anytime, anywhere

And she's definitely banging him, trust me

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

That is very often the case. I don't keep drug girls; they're always trouble.

[–]mrtoosmooth 73 points74 points  (1 child)

Damn Uncle! back at it again with gold for content.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Happy to help.

[–]OmegaMan2 11 points12 points  (2 children)

You forgot about "Bum Fuck, Idaho".

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

And BFE, Nebraska. It wasn't intended to be an exhaustive list.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And Alabama. I grow tired of my brother going on and on about finding nothing but single moms and fatties, yet he won't leave the semi-rural area he lives in.

I live near Atlanta. The women are better, and I actually see hotties from time to time.

It's so logical, yet so few men will concede and make the moves necessary. :/

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (9 children)

So... Once I move to NYC, where do I find...?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 43 points44 points  (4 children)

We can talk about lifting all day long, but if you want gains, its you who has to get back into the House of Iron.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Fair enough... This might seem like further whining from a try-hard intellectual. But. The problem often is to just visualize how to achieve goals. Lifting is easy because the instructions are readily available (if hard to follow). Setting up a business isn't because there are no instructions (a "not to do" list at best). I imagine fucking models is more like the latter, but I guess it doesn't hurt to ask. Edit: Anyways, I need to vote myself down, your replies to other questions/comments are way more interesting!

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 43 points44 points  (2 children)

This might seem like further whining from a try-hard intellectual.

"That...is why you fail"

There are no "cheat codes". You have to go out, approach, get shot down, approach another chick, etc. This is why I tell guys to "Think horizontally, not vertically". There is no One Special Unicorn.

Game is "skills based", like hitting a baseball. You can't just read about it in books. You have to go out, practice it, learn it, become one with it.

[–]silentlyfurious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I treat every skill in life like I would a skill in a video game. Just gotta gain all that sweet sweet exp points from practising those skills. It makes it that much more fun when you treat it like an actual "game".

[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl 9 points10 points  (2 children)

So... Once I move to NYC, where do I find...?

..... the balls to improve yourself?
or
..... all the hot model types?

You'll need the 1st to do the 2nd. If you've done the work for the first, the 2nd is easy because in a city of millions, they're everywhere. But if you're to stand out as a guy, you better be improving yourself or have rock solid confidence.... if you have both, the questions in your mind stop and you'll pursue what you want.

[–]FLsurveyor561 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Haha, I thought he was talking about coke.

[–]stay_anon_stay_safe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol what the fuck are you serious? when I visited NYC, walking the city for the day, I saw SO many cute ass girls

[–]sorceryofthetesticle 9 points10 points  (4 children)

A lot of this sounds like thirsty mate guarding that somehow isn't 'thirsty mate guarding.' How do you make that one happen?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

It's not thirsty because I'm not thirsty. Some of it is just unavoidable, because there will be creeper guys that you have to throw over the side. The girls are usually down with that, unless they need validation at that moment. For that bit at the airport, I was just acknowledging the truth and the "Possession of the Ass" bit has everything to do with her psyche. It's not like I'm pissing on her to mark my territory.

[–]PissedPajamas 27 points28 points  (6 children)

You sound like a shit-eating grin personified. I'd like to kick it with you whenever I'm in NYC but I'm in Miami and this place is sausage wallet heaven

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

I was a sarcastic prick back in the day and probably a bit smug, but really, it's not bragging if it's true.

Now I have much more of a chill vibe. If you know the story about the two young fish swimming along, and an older fish swims by and says, "How's the water today, boys?" and they reply "Fine." Then they swim on and one says to the other, "What is water?", I'm very much the older fish now.

Miami has some good points and bad points. It has some chill places to hang, and the girls walk around basically naked, but OTOH, SMV is much more looks-based, and it's just not a service town at all.

[–]Fedora_Tipper_ 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Miami is great on its male/female ratio?

[–]PissedPajamas 11 points12 points  (2 children)

If you don't look like shit you might accidentally find yourself in a threesome with smoking hot bitches at Miami beach.

[–]maxbrooksmacbook 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Miami already has more women then men. Factor in that half the dudes are gay and you have 2-1 or even 3-1 ratio women to men.

Like fishing with dynamite

[–]Fedora_Tipper_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nice. I'm in the Silicon valley. Ratio is pretty bad here but you do decent if you atleast lift like TRP says

[–]Americasballs 22 points23 points  (23 children)

Great article man.

I am currently in NYC working in finance, making great money and I'm in the best shape of my life, how do you go about finding these coke bunnies and getting into their retarded fashion friends circle?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 40 points41 points  (19 children)

You turn your computer off, and you go outside. You see a smoke show and you walk up and introduce yourself. It's that simple.

With the lifestyle-reporter chick, I did exactly that, saw her, thought "That girl wants to meet me," and walked up and introduced myself. The Euro chick and I were set up on a blind date. She is insanely intelligent was was tired of "Himbos", so mutual friends set us up because they knew I could match her, intellectually.

You'd be surprised how forgiving young women can be about things like age if an older guy can hit the right notes.

[–]Americasballs 21 points22 points  (16 children)

Fuck, really have to work on my cold approach game. I'm 24, and I feel like that's the #1 thing holding me back, all other aspects of life are firing on all cylinders.

[–]corsega 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Daygame is great because not many guys do it anymore (they are all stuck to their phones Tindering and Bumbling) so girls don't often get approached during the day.

A lot of times it comes down to dumb luck. When a hot girl moves to the area, word gets around and if you happen to be the first guy that gets to her before she has a lot of options, you're in.

I'm currently seeing the most attractive girl I have been with in my life, a Turkish 8. I approached her on the street after she was looking at an apartment, about to move to my city (not very high talent level, legitimately one of the most attractive women I have ever seen walking around in two and a half years).

Turns out she is introverted and doesn't have many friends. She loves having an American guy who can show her around the area (and fuck her too, apparently). You're not going to find this type of girl out at a club or on Tinder.

I'm shooting way above my weight so I'm kind of counting down the days until she finds a new Chad. Vasiliy hits the nail on the head with expect nothing long-term.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

A lot of times it comes down to dumb luck.

Yep. But the more you day game, the "luckier" you will get. Fish don't just swim up and jump into the boat.

Turns out she is introverted and doesn't have many friends.

Bingo. Tall girls and introverts. That's my wheelhouse.

Vasiliy hits the nail on the head with expect nothing long-term.

Enjoy the ride. Never be the clingy loser who can't let go when the time comes. Stick the dismount and on to the next one.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 31 points32 points  (11 children)

What are you afraid of? Some half-naked, 110 pound woman? So what if she says no? One down, 3.5 billion to go....

[–]RedPistola 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Do you get rejected plenty? Do you smile and walk away?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 10 points11 points  (4 children)

It's funny, in recent years, I have seen guys not only get rejected, but it seems like the girl has to go out of her way to be nasty about it.

That doesn't happen to me, generally. Maybe it's my age, maybe it's my gravitas, who knows. But it's not like I'm closing 100% of the time. Some girls have boyfriends--or say they do. Fine, I'm on to the next one. Think horizontally, not vertically The last time I got denied that I specifically remember was an FA who was pretty warm to me, to the point where my seat mate, who I did not know, felt compelled to point it out. Anyway, I asked for digits and got...her email. When a girl gives you her email instead of her number, it's a bad sign, so I thought, "I'm toast" and then mentally moved on to the next prospect.

As far as smiling and walking away, I handle my business like a man. If a girl is polite to me, I will be also.

The larger point here is, if you want to succeed, you have to improve, approach and then approach some more. You have nothing to lose and a lot to gain.

[–]illicitwit 2 points2 points [recovered]

Think horizontally, not vertically

Could you expand on this VZ?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Guys go wrong when the keep investing in that One Special Girl. They keep doubling down and doubling down and, eventually the "win" the right to be her Orbiter-in-Chief.

Thinking "horizontally" means to not over-invest in The One, but to do multiple approaches and find the best situations for you.

[–]CQC3 2 points3 points  (4 children)

LOL. We all wish 3.5 billion women looked even remotely that good. I get what you're saying though. When your goal is fucking instead of all the mushy or contextual masturbation that comes with getting with girls (especially in the BP mindset), it's a lot easier to just move on if one prospect isn't working out.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Of course. But men are the Gatekeepers of Commitment. Put another way, Approaching is Your Superpower. You must develop it.

[–]boredepression 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Approaching is your superpower. You must develop it."

My new goal: Approach Superpowers.

[–]GoblinKnight 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do you think you can make a post on approaching?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's simple:

A. Work on improving yourself per TRP. Be the best version of you that you can be.

B. Turn your computer off and go outside.

C. Go up to a woman you would like to meet and say some version of "Hey there. I'm 'GoblinKnight'. What's your name?" Try it with a hint of impishness.

D. Proceed from there. Ask open ended questions. One way would be to say, "So, {name}, tell me your story...." Then chose some of the interesting bits to follow up on.

E. Work in the interesting bits about yourself.

Proceed from there.

[–]Ifuckinglovepron 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because you are 24.

You just haven't done it long enough to become the DGAF attitude rather than displaying it. Nothing wrong with that at all, just something that only really comes with repetition and experience.

Just fucking go for it. And then again, and again after.

[–]Mr_Andry 4 points5 points  (1 child)

That girl wants to meet me

Damn I love little mantra gems like this.

[–][deleted] 3 points3 points

[permanently deleted]

[–]Mr_Andry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not BP as long as you know what the deal is and have rational pro/con understanding. You have to know how to handle chicks who are motivated to talk to you purely by small cash deposits, and how to convert.

[–]TheRedWay 6 points7 points  (30 children)

Did you always date women of that caliber, or was it working through the TRP process that got you there?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 35 points36 points  (20 children)

I had some advantages: 6'2", white, but some disadvantages also: I look like I break legs for a living.

The world was different when I was younger; the internet was called the "Encyclopedia Britannica" and nobody was confused about which bathroom they were supposed to use.

OTOH, there wasn't any place I could go, read the sidebar and get an education in an hour and a half.

Anyway, when you get older you will be amazed how easy it is. You might want to look at my "How to be an Old Guy" article for more info.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 17 points18 points  (5 children)

For members reading this, I'm 6'2 and white and HAD NO GAME before TRP. You can say no fair all you want but in the end no one showed me how to properly be a man. I ended up 'the gentle giant' or 'fun clown' type. Draws women in and makes them run for the hills in an instant. Game is mostly everything.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 20 points21 points  (4 children)

The problem a lot of guys have is they want to find excuses for why they don't succeed. "I'm short" or "I'm non-white". Sure, those guys have a few more hurdles to get over than you and I do, but we still have 99 hurdles to their 102.

[–]phohunna 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Thank you for your contributions, they have been incredibly helpful for me going into my 3rd year of college. I only picked TRP up about halfway through second year and I have already seen a big difference.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 13 points14 points  (6 children)

I only picked TRP up about halfway through second year and I have already seen a big difference.

Yeah, you're only WAY FUCKING AHEAD of 99% of everyone else. Keep your grades up. And go read my articles on interviewing and negotiating salary. You'll be glad you did.

[–]phohunna 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Thank you, I red the interviewing one which was excellent. Can't wait to read the others. I have a strong GPA (business), on a varsity sports team, and on the executive team of an economics case conference. Any advice on how to leverage that, and general tips for going into my last two years? Thanks for being generous with your time.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Crush it on your GPA. That is your NUMBER ONE JOB at uni. If you have some electives, pick up a language. I'd say Spanish, Brazilian or Russian, depending on which flavor of pussy you like. Audit if you such at languages and are afraid it will fuck up your GPA.

Alternatively, pick up a phys ed course in golf or SCUBA or something else you might be interested in. If I could change one thing along those lines, I would learn how to play golf. A SHIT-TON of deals get done on the golf course. You have two years to learn it and it will never be easier for you.

[–]phohunna 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I'm actually on the varsity golf team and played competitively since I was 15, so got that covered! At my job this summer I've jokingly told my boss I'll play for him at the company tournaments because he's shit at golf, and would give me a chance to meet upper management.

I'm going to Germany on exchange in the spring, so I'm loading up my fall electives with core courses in economics so I can have more time to travel on exchange (exchange credits don't count towards GPA). Hoping to get new experiences.

Thanks again for your advice. I have always liked the Boston area, would that be a good place to start a career?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Sounds like you have your shit together.

I have always liked the Boston area, would that be a good place to start a career?

All things being equal, why not NYC? I mean if you get your dream job in Boston, or you're from Boston or spent a lot of time there, fine, but (a) NYC is the motherfucking Capital of the Known Universe and (b) It's way less uptight than Boston.

But do what's right for you.

[–]phohunna 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Living expenses are really high, and most of the new-grad jobs are in a finance role, which isn't what I'm looking for unless it's in an analytics area (like AMEX or other financial services).

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, like I said, do what's right for you.

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points

[permanently deleted]

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I attribute it to my laid back, don't give a shit what you think attitude and I tell them what I want and when I want it.

If I had a nickel for every time a girl gushed about my confidence, I'd...have a lot of nickels. The older guy-younger woman dynamic is just different.

Guys in their 20s must be some major pussies.

A lot of them don't have dads and the cultural zeitgeist at the moment is really, really full of man-hate.

I feel slightly worse for the women, who are fed lies and bullshit either about how they "don't NEED no man", and they waste their most marriageable years in some useless HR or Marketing job then wake up at 30 and wonder why they aren't married with kids like their uteruses are telling them they WANT to be.

Why they don't realize that the the women giving them this bad advice are all fugly, post-Wall, cat colonists living in one bedroom flats--or people profiting from them--is beyond me....

[–]Sdom1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Guys in their 20s must be some major pussies.

Kind of, but that's not really what's going on.

The older guy-younger woman dynamic is just different.

Yep. As a man, age brings us gravitas that you simply can't attain when you're 25. You still look like a kid at that age. So, if you're 45, confident, and have the outer hallmarks of success, that projects power to women. And as we all know women looooove power.

[–]blue_dover 1 points1 points [recovered]

As a man over 30+ - Do you really just walk up to any girl regardless of her age and try to pick her up? Without any second thought?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be clear, I'm over 40. In fact, I am nearly 50. And yes, I will walk up to any girl I want to--with the understanding that I'm not out cruising the local Jr. High School for dates--and open her. Why would I not? When I get up in the morning, I basically piss out a quart of excess confidence. Why should I be afraid of some half-nekkid, 100 lb girl?

The thing about being an older guy chasing younger women is this:

There are three types of younger women, those that think dating a guy more than 4 years older than they are is "totally grody" or whatever the kids say these days, those that prefer an older man, and those that prefer a younger man but are open to an older man.

I don't waste my time with girl in the first group, and what I'm really looking for is girls in the 2nd group. Girls in the 3rd group are fine, but the attraction is generally less. Girls who prefer an older man have to keep it quiet so they aren't "shamed" for it, but you can tell them because they light right up for you (as an older guy).

[–]PissedPajamas 3 points4 points  (1 child)

no one's born into dating models. You've gotta have a grasp on TRP even if you don't know it by name once you start dating 10's

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor -1 points0 points  (6 children)

Just want to though this into the bin. Note that features that look good on film don't always translate to features that look good in person. It has been my experience that most models are models because they spend insane amounts on a presentation which suits their medium. Once you strip it away, they often aren't that pleasing.

That said, they do bring status to the table. Having a reputation with one or more of them will do wonders for your SMV with other women.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Once you strip it away, they often aren't that pleasing.

Depends on the girl. I used to know a runway model who would go from a 10 to an 8 after you took away all the shit they did to her. The Euro chick who became a coke fiend was a Rock Solid 10 from the time she got out of bed to the the moment her head hit the pillow. A swimsuit model I tap on the regular is an 8.5 all the time, and another one is a 9 in person, but the camera fucking makes love to her. So it varies.

EDIT: It occurs that my 8.5 is probably other guys 9.5, because I'm jaded like that. /shrugs.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (22 children)

Definitely saving this.

Quick question though, how tall are you and what do you do? Just want to get an idea of the type of guy who rails models every weekend is like.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 14 points15 points  (21 children)

I'm 6'2" and white, but as I noted, I am not a good-looking man at all. On my best days, I'm just barely "average" with a steep slant towards "scary". I work as a lawyer and businessman, but I fucked off from the office long ago so I chill back at my house, aka "Stately Wayne Manor" as friends of mine sometimes call it.

A word about my lifestyle: There's nothing "DiCaprio" or "Pitt" about me. I'm not really a "models & bottles" guy in clubs. What I did do: I put together a nice stash, and I improved myself. I made myself "exceptional" in a couple of ways--ex. I front my own band. Chicks dig that. But I also have zero approach fear (I'm a natural extrovert), so it's not just scooping up pussy at our gigs (although, in fairness, it does help that I have a couple of our songs on my phone).

So some guys are going to hear "six-two, white, in a band" and say "oh, well, no fair", but really, there's nothing I did that other guys couldn't do, too. That's why I'm here, to show you guys the path up to the mountaintop.

[–]phohunna 4 points5 points  (12 children)

What do you find is the most natural way to open a conversation with a random? I think this is the biggest hurdle that's holding me back.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Go outside and find out for yourself

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

This.

You have to go shag the fly balls. There's no getting around it.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

What do you find is the most natural way to open a conversation with a random?

"Hey, sweetheart. My name is Vasiliy. What's your name?"

[–]1htbf 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Do you ever even try to find out if they have a boyfriend ?

Also, what if there is nothing exceptional about you ?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 20 points21 points  (5 children)

Do you ever even try to find out if they have a boyfriend ?

Never find reasons for a girl not to fuck you. Let them do that.

Also, what if there is nothing exceptional about you ?

Hmm. If only there was a website that was all about helping guys improve themselves, and giving them the tools to do it....

[–]jazerac 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Never find reasons for a girl not to fuck you. Let them do that.

Wow, I finally understand what that means now. Thanks.

[–]1htbf 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Do you honestly believe that being in shape, having a job and spinning a few plates makes you exceptional enough in the context of a conversation that just started ? While it does put you in the top 10%, it's not like you can actually say this stuff to her.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Hey, look, you can talk yourself out of anything. If you want to find reasons to fail, go ahead. I will find reasons to succeed.

[–]LosingMoneyAllDay 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Winning mentality. Thanks for the post Vas!

[–]kinklianekoff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

she puts you in the top 20% before you even open your mouth, the top 10% by even trying and top 0.01% after a couple of minutes of gaming.

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (3 children)

So some guys are going to hear "six-two, white, in a band" and say "oh, well, no fair", but really, there's nothing I did that other guys couldn't do, too. That's why I'm here, to show you guys the path up to the mountaintop.

it's not like you didn't have to put in work too. everyone does, only we see the results ( your opening post) and not the hard work.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

As I say to guys I do deals with--and if there's a deal with a lot of problems, I'm the guy you want working on it (where I work)--what I do isn't easy, I just make it look easy. Same here.

[–]drallcom3 0 points1 point  (3 children)

But I also have zero approach fear

That doesn't go for most guys. I for example are hesitant because I never have anything cool to say and let's face it, it's your job to lead the conversation. Since you don't have a problem with it it makes your advice, as good as it is and I liked the read, a bit useless for guys who aren't total naturals.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I liked the read, a bit useless for guys who aren't total naturals.

Do you think I started out being Mr. Smooth? It takes practice.

[–]blue_dover 1 points1 points [recovered]

How were your early 20s like?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mostly pretty good, I suppose, by comparison to the average. Then I ruined it by going law school. If I had my late 40s brain back then, I would have slayed even more than I did, although back then I was happy just to have a girlfriend, which I pretty much did, when I wanted one.

[–]Hang10Dude 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Again, just wanted to say thank you Vasily. This is the reason I come here. I don't give a fuck about divorce court and feminism. I just want to fuck hot girls.

[–]Hakametal 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Oh God, I think I dated one of these. Wasn't a model, but was a solid 8-9. Slovenian, tall, blonde, blue eyes and INSECURE.

It was a fucking nightmare at times. I had just swallowed TRP at the time and didn't know how to deal with these types of chicks. Getting her to submit was so hard and took a lot of effort compared to normal chicks, but when she did she purred like a kitten and fucked like an animal.

Lo and behold she DESTROYED my frame and I went back into beta mode. She went ice cold and ended up with Chad a week later. Learned soooo much from the experience, even though it destroyed my masculine core for 2 months after.

Vasiliy's advice on having an INDUSTRIAL STEEL FRAME is the most important thing to take from this I believe. Beautiful narcissists are toxic people to be around in the long run will bring you to your knees if your frame is not rock fucking solid.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I would suggest avoiding overly narcissistic girls, even if they're hot.

Actually, not a bad idea to avoid narcissists, generally.

[–]sd4c 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Some signature moves of pathological narcissists:

-caught lying repeatedly
-goes through your private stuff
-enraged by even minor criticism
-treats new people much better than family or intimate partner
-physically abusive (includes vandalism)
-threatens blackmail
-hides contact with previous partners while with new partner

Some level of narcissism is healthy, but if you encounter a woman with any of the above traits, RUN

[–]king_of_red_alphas 14 points15 points  (23 children)

While this and other FR's are nice they are basically humblebrags until you start discussing what you actually had to OVERCOME to get to this point. Otherwise, you are just a natural who bangs models and your only "problem" is keeping the models you are already banging in line.

If you are 6'2, Caucasian and front a band, and a "natural" extrovert, you aren't overcoming all that much.

I get that this is a useful write-up for Chads, but you should clarify that this isn't about advanced game. This is Thundercock level Plate Management.

How many guys on TRP are really going to reach this level.

Posts like these imply that a 5'2 Indian guy who speaks with a thick accent and thinks he's "edgy" because he listens to trap can go and start chatting up a blonde model on her lunch break and "treat her like a bratty sister" and generate tingles. ... Yeah. No.

[–]1WeedDaddy 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The Indian guy would be best served by heading to India, or wider Asia. Being an Asian is not a handicap there. It's a tall order to come to the West and expect to be treated like the host population.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 15 points16 points  (9 children)

While this and other FR's are nice they are basically humblebrags

First, I'm not humble. Second, if I just wanted validation, I'd get an Instagram account.

until you start discussing what you actually had to OVERCOME to get to this point.

If only there was a website that taught self-improvement?! It would be great if it had a sidebar, too, where guys could learn and internalize important stuff.

If you are 6'2, Caucasian and front a band, and a "natural" extrovert, you aren't overcoming all that much.

Except I didn't pop out of my mom's womb with a guitar in one hand and a mic in the other. I didn't always front a band. And aside from being tall and white, I'm simply not very handsome. I have that shitty ruddy skin with some mild rosacea--the Curse of the Celts. My dad's side of the family, there, NOT fucking helping. And even a natural extrovert still has to learn Game. /shrugs.

Posts like these imply that a 5'2 Indian guy who speaks with a thick accent and thinks he's "edgy" because he listens to trap can go and start chatting up a blonde model on her lunch break and "treat her like a bratty sister" and generate tingles.

We did fairly recently have a dude in a wheelchair bang an "8" (his description). You can see limitations or you can see opportunities. The 5'2" Indian guy is going to have to hustle out a lot of grounders and improve like a motherfucker. Maybe he never bangs a model, but he can become the best version of himself.

[–]king_of_red_alphas 8 points9 points  (5 children)

It's true that you needed the discipline to become a good enough musician to front a band. I should not have implied you didn't work for anything that gets you results.

But your post is about as helpful as a guy going on a forum for a bunch of 5'2 guys learning how to play HORSE and talking about how to make the most spectacular dunks without hurting your hands.

Sure, there is your 1-in-10,000 Nate Robinson at 5'9 dunking over Shaq, but it's selling a pipe dream to most

"Managing multiple model plates" is a solution to a problem very very few people here have or will ever have.

All that said, if anybody ever finds themselves dating multiple 9-10 models, congratulations you've basically "won" TRP.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

First, bear in mind that this post originated because I was answering a particular questions three times in askTRP.

Second, the advice is applicable to guys who are dating "up" in SMV, whether it's the hometown honey or some rando that he met at the right time.

Third, you keep bringing up 5'2" Indians. Is that you or just the worst example you could think of?

Because basically, no matter who you are, you have two choices in life:

A. Out-work, out-hustle and out-smart whatever your problems are, or

B. Quit, go home, smoke up, whine about how life dealt you a shitty hand or whatever, then kill yourself.

If I was a 5'2" Indian guy, I'd try to be Kiran Shah or Deep Roy. They both have had pretty decent film careers, despite being 4'2" and 4"4, respectively.

Now, you can say "not everybody...", blah, blah. Failing is easy. Succeeding is difficult. Choose one.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The 5'2" Indian guy is going to have to hustle out a lot of grounders and improve like a motherfucker. Maybe he never bangs a model, but he can become the best version of himself.

in your opinion, by "hustle" do you mean " putting in the work so the person can have more experience and change his internal view of himself" or?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Both. A guy in that situation can either curse his limitations, or work hard to overcome them.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not all posts are for beginners

[–]hores 6 points7 points  (2 children)

How many guys on TRP are really going to reach this level.

Posts like these imply that a 5'2 Indian guy who speaks with a thick accent and thinks he's "edgy" because he listens to trap can go and start chatting up a blonde model on her lunch break and "treat her like a bratty sister" and generate tingles. ... Yeah. No.

Chances are good that he won't, but the difference between him and millions of others is that he actually tried. Not trying is the real failure. It's all in your mentality.

[–]king_of_red_alphas 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This I agree with, but the OP was not speaking about aspiration, he was talking about how many models he's banging and how great his game is when in reality his "game" consists of fronting a band and being an extrovert (they kind of go together right?)

In any case, some things like approaching models when you ha e low SMV can be counter productive to your journey to become outcome independent.

Too many guys look at this as the ultimate dream and think of themselves as failures if they are unable to reach a point where they are banging models at will.

[–]hores 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hear what you're saying.

At the end of the day, I guess what matters is what each person really desires. If a dude truly desires hot ass chicks, but uses excuses to explain away the fact that he doesn't have any, then he's really not being truthful to himself.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Here's the thing bro. The Red Pill is an elitist anti egalitarian ideology. That's why we have classifications like Alpha Beta. That's why The Red Pill uses the word Equalist with a negative connotation. That's why The Red Pill flirts with the Alt Right.

If you are a fucking 5'2 Indian Beta who thinks there is no hope for himself. Maybe you are right?

In which case why the fuck should I or anyone else waste our time helping a lost cause? About 20 dudes PM me a day. I cant help everyone I don't have time. The obvious thing to do is to help the dudes that can be helped.

Not only is skyping Brad the 18 year old Marine more enjoyable than diving into Kadouches Indian Depression Saga but its more rewarding because Brad will actually put your advice into action.

[–]king_of_red_alphas 1 point2 points  (3 children)

The reason it needs to be called out is because the implication that "anyone can do it if he's alpha enough!" That's simply not true.

If you don't have the physical attributes that go along with what a model wants to be seen with you are SOL.

Brad the marine is easier to work with because he is essentially in need of fine tuning bad not a complete genetic makeover. He had a chance of being Ivana or Chloe's fuckboy.

Looks matter. Race matters. Stop trying to sell people on pipe dreams like banging models and get realistic about this shit.

Encourage people to be the best they can be. Don't post RP fantasy fiction to show how alpha you are.

This hypothetical short Indian guy may not be fucking runway models but he sure as shit can lift, dress properly, learn a skill, learn to be cool and fun and do just fine with women above his SMV.

Anyway. I acknowledge that I was just calling out a post to be something it was never intended to be. I reacted like a bitch. Thank you very much.

[–]sunkindonut149 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I rewrote this in terms of career success as well to motivate us in terms of autistic people trying to get better jobs.

Brad the NT marine is easier to work with because he is essentially in need of fine tuning bad not a complete genetic makeover. He had a chance of being Zuckerbergs fuckboy.

Looks matter. NT or not matters. Stop trying to sell people on pipe dreams like working at Goldman Sachs and get realistic about this shit. Encourage people to be the best they can be. Don't post RP fantasy fiction to show how alpha you are.

This hypothetical short minority autistic guy may not be working at Goldman Sachs but he sure as shit can lift, dress properly, learn a skill, learn to be cool and fun and do just fine with finance recruiters above his SMV.

[–]Lsegundo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Stop your fucking whining (I say this to myself some days too) there are plenty of people with a bigger mountain to climb kicking more ass than you.

You might never bang models. Are you the best man that you can be? Do you think working hard on yourself that you will get better and more women than you do now?

You have to work your way up at anything you do. A future olympic weight lifter who tried to go for a record lift that was double his current max would hurt himself. F1 drivers usually start off with slower cars and work their way up.

[–]king_of_red_alphas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not lamenting not banging models nor am I suggesting anybody not improve themselves as much as possible.

I was calling out posts (not even necessarily this one) that are RP fan fiction / bragging with little useful info.

In any case, the point has been made that there ARE members who are in positions to use this particular info. I realize that.

I was simply saying how much more useful posts like these would be with a broader context and backstory (I.e. Stories of trial and error / failure / etc).

[–]1WeedDaddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

F1 drivers usually start off with slower cars and work their way up

Even being allowed to practice with slower cars is denied from those without talent.

Like being picked for the school sports team, qualifying for sports fucking is highly selective, and largely outside of individual choice.

Many men are so much below the threshold that lifting and a haircut won't lift them above it.

If 10% of men get casual sex, any amount above that believing they will get it is bound to be wrong.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

was hoping this was going to be a scientific analysis on different 'models' of dating lmbo

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Sorry man. I'm an "Edgelord" not a "Sperglord". /grin

[–]serious_bs 4 points5 points  (1 child)

As you stated, I indeed luckily landed a model a few years ago (I ended it because of too much fights, couldn't handle her whining).

My question: did you ever get back to getting satisfaction from fucking non-model women? It seems that my attraction 'mechanism' is fucked up and I am no longer attracted to non-models, feeling 'entitled' to a HB9.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

did you ever get back to getting satisfaction from fucking non-model women?

I haven't had to find out. 8.5 and up is home for me, and my plates are 8.5+ so no complaints.

[–]ronsoness 2 points3 points  (8 children)

also, if you date a model, you will be the envy of all your male friends and other men will view you in a better light.

my question is this: a model is one of the greatest challenges out there due to the fact that they will have the highest standards and greatest resistances. what skills do you think a person needs to have developed before trying to go after a model w/ hope of success? thank you unco V

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

what skills do you think a person needs to have developed before trying to go after a model w/ hope of success?

Girls are simply girls. There are some models, or shall we just say really attractive women, who put up the "bitch shield" and then there are others who are total nerd girls trapped in model bodies.

The skills you need are skill at approaching. You also need game. And you're going to fail more often than you succeed, because that's how that shit works. That's why I approach like a motherfucker.

[–]ronsoness 0 points1 point  (6 children)

thank you. do you have a website or a book?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Nope. Whatever wisdom I have gained in life is the product of long and difficult experience, but for you guys it's free. I put it out on the web in the hopes that it helps younger guys. Because all the young men are my sons.

[–]ronsoness 1 point2 points  (1 child)

well thank you. i appreciate your older male mentor vibe. i've only recently understood how important those are and how important they will be for me to be the man i need to be.

if you don't have a collection of writings, do you have a strong recommendation for developing game, book-wise?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There was just a post on this here, I think.

First, the No. 1 thing is not "books" it's going out into the field and Talking.To.Girls.

Beyond that I read Rollo, Heartiste and Dalrock. For books, there is The Book of Pook, Bonecracker, and SGM...and Mark Manson's books.

[–]Lsegundo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you VasiliyZaitzev. You are one of my favorite posters on here. You are like a TRP coach who lays out the path then challenges you to push yourself down it.

[–]RissyQuicks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

everything you say kind of makes you sound like a douche but i like your style

[–]StinkyDogFarts 2 points3 points  (1 child)

"there is a beginning and an end, enjoy the middle" these are very wise words. If you understand it will end, your leverage goes through the roof. They aren't used to used to being told to fuck off.

[–]LucasOFF 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Давай Васян показывай кого выебал

[–]Frigzy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Masterful guide Vasiliy.

I am wondering though. I'm an introvereted intuitive and caring kind of guy with zero experience telling girls what to do or bossing them around. Through TRP I'm dipping my toes into it a little, but points like this one:

-You ARE the Boss of Her. You take NONE of her shit. It's like catnip for them. You impose your will. One told me she was going to get a tattoo--because really, go ruin yourself to show how edgy you are. So I told the ONLY tat she was allowed to have was a tramp stamp that read "PROPERTY OF: VASILIY ZAITZEV". She giggled, and loved it.

are easy to understand but immeasurably hard for me to do because as of yet I have zero experience with it and just don't seem to be able to feel like it is the way I want to lead my relationships with women, or people in general.

What I must note, is that the more I lift, work on myself, become centered through meditation and self discovery and figure out my own fulfillment and general amusement with life, I am feeling more and more worthy (superiority?), to the extent that the kind of 'leadership' mentioned above becomes more natural.

However, right now, this simply strikes me as condescending and regarding them as a generally inferior human being.

Is it correct to say that a relationship with a (perhaps not with introverts) HB9 is always going to be one where you can not allow yourself to think of her as an equal?

Edit: On second thought I guess the relationship can be described as a pseudo father-daughter relationship where the father is infinitely more knowledgable, wise and powerful. So that implies there can be love and compassion, however there can never be equality.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bear in mind that I am significantly older than my target demographic, thus will have vastly more life experience. Sure, there are going to be things they know about that I don't but on the whole, I will have a tremendous informational advantage about Life, And How To Cope With It.

[–]enjoytheloss2 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thanks for the guide. Most of it makes sense for a semi-advanced destroyer of women like myself.

Share your thoughts on this, though:

I've cranked up my filters to the point where only submissive, 'please put the handcuffs on me daddy' girls qualify to spend time with me. It allows me to drop 90% of women I talk to and saves me tons of time/effort.

Do you have similar levels of filtering or do you enjoy the challenge of trying to game a larger percentage of women who need to be guided/gamed/coddled past their bitch shields - at which point they would be pleasant and submissive?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do you have similar levels of filtering or do you enjoy the challenge of trying to game a larger percentage of women who need to be guided/gamed/coddled past their bitch shields - at which point they would be pleasant and submissive?

As the guy who literally wrote the TRP guide to submissive girls and tying girls up I know what I like and I'm pretty up front about it with women I date/mate/plate. Since I present as a tall, confident, dominant, intelligent guy who is something of a bruiser, girls self-select in or out depending on if they want a masculine guy or not. Those that do find themselves blindfolded and tangled in my ropes; those that don't go find some little Timmy HalfaFag.

[–]shitlordvaldemort 5 points5 points [recovered]

One of the big advantages of getting older is seeing how these women age. Here is a hint, it's not gracefully for most of them. I've dated plenty of promo models, a Perfect 10 magazine girl, strippers, and plenty of average cuties. The super hot girls I dated even 5 years ago are now 7's at best, and the ones who have had kids are more like 5's. Also, the juice is rarely worth the squeeze with the 9's and 10's. The amount of work it takes and the amount of bullshit you have to put up with from them and other people is exhausting, and you get tired of fucking them just like every other girl after a month or two. I'd much rather date a pleasant 7 or 8 and not have to constantly ward off a million thirsty fuckers and deal with non-stop shit tests.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Time is the great equalizer.

Also, the juice is rarely worth the squeeze with the 9's and 10's.

That's why you have to qualify the hell out of a girl, no matter how hot she is.

[–]Vicycle 3 points4 points  (1 child)

"and tracked her like he was working for NORAD." God damn almost spit out my drink reading that. Great read.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It was funny to watch. The guy stood up and peeled off his sunglasses like he was in slo-mo, entirely oblivious to anything else for a good 30 seconds. Then he caught sight of me and WHAM! came crashing down to Earth.

[–]AutisticusMaximus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thanks for posting, interestingly, majority of your points can and should be applied to gaming women in general, not just models.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep, pretty much, although bear in mind that this post originated from seeing the same question in askTRP three times, so that's why it's more specific.

[–]enkae7317 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Saved. Favorited.

Thanks Bro you have the wisdom of a 80 year old Buddha monk...that specializes in fucking hot women.

[–]jamesbond0512 2 points2 points [recovered]

Wheres the coke? tried four dealers. All suck ass

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm high on life, man. These days, I have a couple of glasses of red wine and call it good.

[–]TRP_Lee_zard 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's shit like that when I realize that I have no game what so ever.

I'm like a kid on a trike looking at Michael Schumacher or Lewis Hamillton.

And I have to admit, this is a bit discouraging for me.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And I have to admit, this is a bit discouraging for me.

But the kid who looks at Schumacher and Hamilton sees what's possible.

[–]drallcom3 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I'm really interested in one point: How much money does this cost you in total? I have some friends who pull very hot girls, but even though they're naturals it ends up being expensive for them. Not like they care, they're rich. You're older and you probably have some disposable income.

Do you buy nicer cloths and dress up in general? I don't mean suits and stuff, just buying cloths that fit well and are above H&M.

Side question: Do you think your cloths play a significant part or could you do exactly as well in a t-shirt and jeans?

Do you pay all bills or do you strictly split the costs? This one interests me the most.

Do you take dates to nice (i.e. expensive) bars/restaurants or do you just pick some place cool?

Is your place nice? Here in London nice places are unaffordable.

It would help me a lot if you could answer those questions. I know that game is by far the most important, but still I need some truth here and you seem to be the perfect guy for some answers. Thanks!

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You're older and you probably have some disposable income.

Yes.

Do you buy nicer cloths and dress up in general? I don't mean suits and stuff, just buying cloths that fit well and are above H&M.

Daily? No. Typically I wear a black t-shirt or polo (sometimes navy blue) and either jeans or chinos, and loafers. Typically I only suit up when I am at an event that requires jacket & tie in which case I have a couple of nice suits that I wear. I wore a tuxedo on NYE because I was at an event that required black tie. But on a daily basis, I opt for comfort.

Do you think your cloths play a significant part or could you do exactly as well in a t-shirt and jeans?

One can use clothes to stand out, I would imagine, but I really thing it's that second one. That said, London & NYC are going to have different dress codes than Miami and California.

Do you pay all bills or do you strictly split the costs? This one interests me the most.

It depends. Typically, I pick up the check, because I do the inviting. Generally speaking, the women I date and I are not "peers" when it comes to bank, because I'm older and more flush. If I was a young guy and the girls were on more of an equal footing with me maybe that would be different.

Do you take dates to nice (i.e. expensive) bars/restaurants or do you just pick some place cool?

I go where I want to go, and whichever girl I am with gets to come with me. Sometimes that's a Michelin three star place, and sometimes it's the nice bistro on the corner.

Is your place nice?

Yes.

[–]drallcom3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thanks for the detailed answer.

You're kind of like my richer friends then. Money makes such a big difference in dating younger women. Casually taking them to a place they can't afford is exciting and different for them, like you mentioned, and it displays tons of status. The more frugal options are only possible with certain types of women.

Do you think you'd have the same success at your age with an average income?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're kind of like my richer friends then.

Maybe now, but not before.

Money makes such a big difference in dating younger women.

Money is a force mutliplier in the right hands. In the wrong hands, not so much.

Do you think you'd have the same success at your age with an average income?

Assuming I had the same amount of Game, then yes, it would be comparable.

[–]ANewJourney 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Would you expand on the conversation when, 'they all laughed when I treated her like a tardy child'? Thanks for your time and your post.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the girl in question had just said something sort-of dumb and I looked at her and said, "Y'know, you're lucky you're so pretty."

[–]SmilingWatermelon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thank you uncle. When I start banging models it'll be thanks to you

[–]420purpleunicorn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not a model, intelligent red pill woman. can confirm. this is how it is. If you're not a challenge, you've got no chance.

[–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

pros- a lot of them are totally cool cons- narcissism, entitlement and whiney

?????????

you know what really helps take a model off her pedestal, is realize that she takes massive nasty dumps just like any man who's had too much taco bell. there's a whole genre of porn dedicated to showing men that women are full of shit just like we are, even the super hot ones.

either way it's not worth the energy wasted keeping her interested, there's so much more worthwhile shit to do. if she can't keep me interested beyond the humps on her ass i'm not gonna have that much fun.

[–]SW9876 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Really great post. I have one question though. How would you go about opening/cold approaching?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Walk up to the girl you want to talk to. Introduce yourself. Ask her name. Start your rap.

I realize that, for most guys, it's easier said than done. But really, there is no magic.

[–]SW9876 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I was just wondering if there was anything special about approaching "10s" since I imagine they get approached way more frequently than the average girl.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I imagine they get approached way more frequently than the average girl.

Actually, IME, it's quite the opposite. Lots of guys are intimidated and thus 10s are often less likely to be approached. Me, I swing for the gawddam fences. The answer is "no" unless you ask, so you have nothing to lose.

Some years ago, Ashley Judd (she was pre-Wall and well regarded in those days) said in ant interview that her boyfriend was her boyfriend because he was the only man who approached her in 2 years. Think that over for a second. Now, I have no idea why it evidently never occurred to her to approach guys, or to ask people to set her up, but anyway, that's what she said. /shrugs

[–]Sephar 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I've heard this, as well. I'm not sure if this is true. As you've said; your girl would get lots of business cards from guys who were interested in her--was she being approached a lot?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

not sure if this is true. As you've said; your girl would get lots of business cards from guys who were interested in her--wa

Depends on the venue. The business card thing has happened a handful of times over a few decades. The difference is, guys who won't approach a hot chick on their own see an "average" looking guy with her and think "Why not me?"

[–]blue_dover 1 points1 points [recovered]

Do you think that hot girls will have higher standards than average girls? Like ignoring the has more options argument for a second. If a relatively decent guy is getting rejected by 4s and 5s what does that mean? and what should he do?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think that hot girls will have higher standards than average girls?

Depends on the girl, and what she's used to, plus what her "needs" are. To wit, my latest conquest is a 9.9, but she's also 5'11". As any short guy will tell you, women select for height mercilessly, and I'm 6'2" meaning I am top 6% for height among men. She was willing to overlook a lot because of that, e.g. my age, and the disparity in relative physical attractiveness between us.

Beyond that, from a psychological perspective, she's willing to submit to me in exchange for my confidence and leadership--I'm good at "adulting". I overheard her on the phone with her mom basically telling her not to worry because, "I have a man who can protect me." Let that sink in. Sure I'm tall and white, but not handsome, but she wasn't selecting for handsome, she was selecting for "Tall, confident, intelligent and dominant" and, well, yeah, that's me. So like I say, depends on the girls "needs".

If a relatively decent guy is getting rejected by 4s and 5s what does that mean? and what should he do?

Most likely answer: work on his SMV.

There is also some possibility that he's a 7-8 and is being pre-emptively rejected by 4-5s who understand that they're just a pump-n-dump. But probably it's the first one.

[–]Toker95 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'm real curious to know how tou look OP. And what ever happened to that European chick after that?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm real curious to know how tou look OP.

Like ten miles of bad road. Any advantages I have stop with tall and white. The fact is I'm too white. I wear a full beard in part to add some color to my face. I am a bit asymmetrical in the face and have a nose that points 15 degrees off in another direction, largely because I've broken it 3 times. Note to Self: Get in a fight with a left-handed guy, next time.

And what ever happened to that European chick after that?

I'm sure she got passed around. Beyond that, I don't know. She made her choices and I made mine. Her family situation wasn't great in that her mom didn't work and then her dad got injured and didn't work so she was the only one bringing in any cash. Then her mom, who was a bitter meddling cunt, would always be up her ass about how she should be doing something else, like finishing up her schooling. She would argue with mom about and say, "Look, I'm the only one bringing in any money, and after a few years I won't be able to do this work anymore." Then her mum would still nag her, anyway, because that's what bitter, irritable cunts do.

Me: "Don't argue with her. Just say 'ok' and then go do what you want to do anyway."

Her: "THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MY DAD SAYS!"

Me: "He sounds very wise."

[–]note-to-self-bot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just in case you forgot:

Get in a fight with a left-handed guy, next time.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (6 children)

i think this is the greatest post i have read on here and it has NOTHING to do with me at all.

what i mean by this is, I'm NO WHERE NEAR the level of fucking " models " yet, ( can't get a fattie from the club to pick up the phone ffs) but this post AND THE COMMENTS have so much value and i can't thank you enough for taking the time to do this.

I have a question:

I've been doing " game and trp" for 2 years now. I have become a more confident person in that time, but I haven't had much success.

I'm wondering what your thoughts are on longevity of game and specifically the notion of " a fat guy is only a fat guy if he THINKS he is a fat guy".

because i saw this comment you made

The 5'2" Indian guy is going to have to hustle out a lot of grounders and improve like a motherfucker. Maybe he never bangs a model, but he can become the best version of himself.

and I'm wondering

a) does the guy who isn't " brad pitt" have to do MORE game because he doesn't think he is bard pitt? (IE: by doing more game he will have more realizations and there for he will eventually think he is brad pit?)

b) right now, I'm struggling with self-esteem or rather the projection of myself onto the world. I don't see it as something positive i see it as something negative how can i change this around?

( i hope this makes scene i got a bit rambly there)

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Some fat guys can pull. Generally speaking, though, it's going to be easier for an in-shape guy to pull, all things being equal. So work on getting yourself into shape.

While I don't know anything about your personal circumstances, what it boils down to for most people is 20% exercise and 80% diet. Bottom Line: You can't outrun your fork and spoon. So start there, and get working on a program...just do SOMETHING and do it regularly (and hey, if you are the type of heavy guy who needs to consult a doctor before an exercise program, then by all means, do that.)

Your health will improve, you will look better and you will feel better and that will help your confidence.

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (2 children)

thanks for the tips man...

but this isn't the question i asked. it was more about mindset.

though good advice all around.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I know. But I gave you the answer that I thought would do the most good.

[–]blue_dover 1 points1 points [recovered]

A lot of people say low BF% is key - But how do you show that off in public when you are wearing clothes? You don't just take your shirt off at random right - But if you are jacked then your traps and arms definitely show off in your T shirt - Thoughts?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of people say low BF% is key - But how do you show that off in public when you are wearing clothes?

You wear the right clothes.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome post, and thanks for taking the time to write it. Lots of great info here. I'm going to re-read it, and the comments, in the morning.

"Never let a bitch run your shit. If you do, you’ve lost" I'm going to remember this, and live by it.

[–]the_steroider 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How did you get the two severe introverts?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I am extremely extroverted and I can comfortably talk to pretty much anyone, from little kids to grandparents, about anything at any time. Approaches, for me, are easy. I also have two introverts in my immediate family and am good at making introverts feel comfortable.

Introverts are generally found in an ecosystem called "home" where they read books, play with the cat and hide from the doorbell because what kind of monster would just show up without calling first? At some point, however, they want to have boyfriends like their more outgoing sisters have. So when you see a group of girls out, look for that girl on the edge of the group, arms folded, and looking a bit uncomfortable with her friends' drinking. That's your girl.

Of the two I mentioned, one of them I met at karaoke, because that's where here slutty friend wanted to go that night, and the other one I was set up with, because there's really no other way she meets guys. Networking motherfuckers. It can really pay off.

[–]the_steroider 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting. I'll try, as a former shut-in I've always have quite a big fetish for introverted girls who don't mind spending time in the house. Will see if I can catch one. Thanks!

[–]RICCIedm 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You just forgot to mention that you can't negotiate attraction. I used to get worried "will I ever pick up models?". Now I just accept that until (if) I raise my SMV enough, I have to accept "lower" women.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Unless otherwise noted, my material is advanced; I assume that everyone has read the sidebar.

[–]rp_js 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So much content on here is extremely diluted now but articles like this are why I keep on coming back. we need less red pill articles, but more quality ones.

[–][deleted] -3 points-3 points

[permanently deleted]

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nobody here is banging models, let us be real here.

TRP has 160K+ subscribers, and, well, at least one of us is.

Stop living in your fantasy world.

Look, I'm here to help. You can either benefit from my experience or you can be all butthurt because you're unhappy with yourself. Your call.

[–]joxyfai 1 points1 points [recovered]

I've banged three models and that was before I found this subreddit. Get your head out of your ass and into the gym and maybe you'll enter the upper echelons.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Step one: start your own band and front it.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Rock & Roll was invented to get pussy. That said, I wasn't the front for years, but as a songwriter, I maybe did 8% of the songs. Then our singer left to go to Hollywood and after we auditioned a ton of guys who were either total assholes or who couldn't fucking sing, my bandmates basically told me one day, "You're the singer, now." I haven't looked back since.

[–]SW9876 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Can you share any of your songs? A recording from a show or something?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sadly, no. Because that would lead to doxxing. Maybe sometime in the future.

load more comments (4 replies)