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Red Pill TheoryWhen we stop chasing status, we begin to live by our values. (self.TheRedPill)

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Summary: How consumerism leads to a life of regret.

In the past, I've described how consumerism leads to us feeling empty and inadequate. I also made the case that consumerism for women and children ends with material things, while men are consuming women, with material things being one of many means to meeting that end.

In other words, we need more/better/newer material things than others as well as more/better/newer women than others in order to feel significant and worthy of love.

The reason we “consume” is ultimately to have a better identity relative to others playing the consumption game. For one to give up consumerism, he must give up the image he has slaved over and identified with over the span of his life.

“Only when we lose everything, are we free to do anything.” –Tyler Durden

When this happens, he is freed from the shackles of consumerism. As such, he stops comparing himself to others and stops concerning himself with what others think.

These are certainly alpha traits, and by winning at the consumption game, we can cease needing from some, but not all people. However, in the Consumerism Paradigm, we will always need acceptance and approval from those who have comparable or greater identities than ours.

To exit the Consumerism Paradigm is to become a free and autonomous individual.

As stated, within the Consumerism Paradigm, almost everything we do is in service of our identities as perceived by others. This means that what we desire as consumers are not necessarily the things we would desire otherwise.

As consumers, we desire things that will one day make us better or as good as others. For example, an "enlightened" beta male’s “revenge fantasy” is that one day he will have enough looks, charisma, money, and women in his life so that he will have a greater identity than the people who once dismissed him as being “low-value.”

This motivates him to action. He will get revenge for his envy by making others envious. We can see that there’s really no one to get revenge on. It wasn’t others who made him envious, it was his false need to be “better” which triggered his own envy.

In fact, the entire consumerism culture we live in is one massive revenge fantasy.

Aside from choices influenced by our biological needs as well our addictions, almost every decision we make is done to fulfill some fantasy of one day being better than others in some way.

Instead of living by our values, we are constantly seeking more status through material things and vapid women.

When freeing one’s self from consumerism, the true costs of living this way become increasingly apparent.

There are the obvious costs, of course, such as needing better vehicles, more fashionable clothes, a bigger house, an extravagant wedding, etc. For these expenses, we go into debt for many years, wasting away our lives in order to settle up.

Since this is so normal, we hardly consider the hidden costs of choosing consumerism, many of which hurt us all.

The following is a list of things most people don't do which they would like to do if they weren't too consumed by chasing status. Depending on your values, you may or may not desire these things, but I believe most people do on some level.

  • We don’t start that business.

With so much debt to service, we have too little risk-tolerance to build something of our own that is of value to others. This leads to our dreams and aspirations being left unfulfilled. It ensures work will always feel like work. Instead, we get a steady paycheck that is used immediately.

  • We don’t explore.

With so little time for activities outside of what’s “profitable,” we become narrowly focused on the bottom line instead of exploring our interests and conquering our fears. This leads to us knowing less about ourselves and the world. Instead, we know the precise inner workings of our mundane position at work.

  • We aren’t true to ourselves.

Behaving differently than others can be risky. What you have to say or do might not be considered cool or politically correct. Others, not wanting to risk a loss of status may disassociate with you. Instead of being ourselves, we get to fit in with other consumers.

  • We don’t give to others we care about.

When we leave consumerism behind, our neediness dissipates. People who feel they have abundance gain great satisfaction from giving to others they care about, such as parents, siblings, or good friends. We can hardly experience this joy. Instead, we always need more.

  • We don’t make time for friends and family.

Because we’re working so hard to impress them, we lack the time to spend with them. We move out of state so we can make more money. We lose touch with friends, who suddenly fell off the grid once their first mortgage payments came due. Instead of connection, we have Facebook.

  • We send our wives to work.

Because we need to pay so many bills, we need two earners. This leads to stressed out wives, uncooked meals, divorce, and ultimately, neglected children. Instead, we have Range Rovers and McMansions.

  • We don’t see our children.

With mom and dad working 40+ hours per week, we have no time left outside of the weekend to see our kids. We no longer have shame about our anticipation for the day we can send them to school; it’s free day care. When they turn 5-years-old, we instinctively send them to a government institution for 40 hours per week because we don’t have enough time to eat breakfast with them, let alone teach them how to spell, read, write, and do arithmetic. We miss out on raising our children.

  • We are not set up for retirement.

65% of us will have less than $50,000 in savings and investments by the time we are 55-years-old. Most of us will be working for someone else until we’re near death or dead. This is because we spend money on our identities instead of our investments. Maxing out a Roth IRA costs $5,500 per year, and will lead to a wonderful retirement at a reasonable age. Instead, we have more stuff we don’t need.

All of this is normal, and depending on your values, it probably leads to regret.

They’ve studied the regrets of dying people. Funny enough, none of them included not having enough status or not fucking enough sluts.

When you are one day on your death bed, your regrets will likely be many or all of the following commonly felt by those nearing death:

“I wish I hadn’t worked so much.”

“I wish I made time for family.”

“I wish I didn’t lose touch with my friends.”

“I wish I pursued my dreams and aspirations.”

“I wish I had the courage to live a life true to myself, and not the one others expected of me.”

Besides regret, there are even more hidden costs of consumerism such as the unnecessary stress and isolation we put ourselves through because we need to be “better.” This leads to relapsing on our addictions as well as physical and mental illness.

It’s easy to see why depression, anxiety, and obsessive compulsive disorder are so rampant in our society. Instead of killing our consumer identities, we’re killing ourselves.

Visit my blog On Consumerism for more.

Lessons Learned:

  • Instead of living by our values, we are constantly seeking status through material things and vapid women.

  • This will likely lead to regret later in life.


[–]theneoroot 93 points94 points  (9 children)

If the desire to be better than others is the root of consumerism, killing that desire does sound like the solution. But I feel that's not quite it. The desire to be better comes from the expectations you place on yourself of being better than others. The beta wouldn't have a revenge fantasy about becoming better than he is if he did not believe he is special or deserving of recognition.

The problem however isn't just that he believes he is better and wants to be recognized as being better than others, the problem is not being better than others despite believing so. He wants special treatment because he believes he is special, just like a white knight can't understand why the hot girls wants the ones he thinks are jerks.

I don't agree with the proposed solution, that of killing your desire to be better because it comes from how others would treat you if you were. What should be killed is the desire of validation, not the desire of becoming better. That is what consumerism is in a nutshell, validation seeking behavior.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 18 points19 points  (3 children)

I agree with that statement wholeheartedly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a desire to become better. In fact, if anything, the desire to become better should motivate us to find more efficient means to live our lives to the fullest.

That may include generating extra income from sources that require little to no added effort. Or improving one's ranking up the ladder in corporate. Etcetera, etcetera.

The problem that a lot of people face is that they live to work, to make money, and to spend said money on indulgences to show off to the rest of the world, for the purposes of validation. "Look at me, I'm living a great life!" Those people are the saddest, because their source of comfort comes externally. If they don't get the validation they need, they become devoid of self-worth.

That is why it isn't so much about chasing status, but rather, trying to demonstrate to others that one's life isn't just a shit show, that ruins people.

[–]BassNet 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Wouldn't you agree, however, that status is a huge part of getting top-tier pussy? Whether it be validation-seeking or not, it seems like status comes with money in this world. And because women are hypergamous, being at the top (or as close to the top you can get) is necessary, right?

[–]MeiFriend 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You get the best women with game, and you can surely throw your influences and money into your game to get better odds. But those aren't the only tools.

[–]thehonestdouchebag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Basing your life around fucking hot women is fun, for a little while. Then it gets old quickly, unless you have an IQ of 80, you'll probably need more than good pussy to be fulfilled as a man.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Awesome post and important clarification.

[–]Entrefut 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely agree with you here. A lot of my personal heroes and idols have very similar points of view, but what they also have is something more and only consumerism allows this.

Consumerism is awesome, it allows powerful people to redistribute wealth. Sometimes these people are corrupt, other times they aren't. The good people, who move the world further and truly live their life for value realizes that your personal life only has so much value and just about any woman you will ever meet is sitting at a value of 1. On my scale value goes like this; zero, fighting to be alive or essentially dead, one, alive and sustaining, two, alive and sustaining others. If you're at two, your value then is allowed to pass into a different scale. This one goes all the way to 7.6 Billionish. How many people are under your umbrella, how many people do you bring value to?

For some reason I really liked this movie for establishing this point, bringing more people into your circle of value. I actually generally like that movie from a leadership perspective, but that's beside the point. The point is that value isn't strengthened by giving yourself more shit. Now don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean having a mansion with parties is out of the picture, but it's being responsible with your successes and using them to increase the quality of other peoples lives, whether they are a 1 or a 0. People who make a difference in their communities and cause positive social reforms, promote health and fitness, reading, culture and education. These things are all important and they better society. People who are at a value of two can have an INSANE amount of value and it's attractive. Arnold is someone who embodies this in so many ways. As are many of the authors of the suggested reading section on TRP. They spread their wisdom. This is one of the reasons I really like this sub. As much as it's a six beers in bar counter conversation, it's also an awesome community that shares knowledge and experience from all over the world. Sometimes I think it's why I write posts on here every so often. This sub is a community of people who desire value and people who give value. Yet at the same time, this forum brings no real validation. We're all trading knowledge, at least those of us who this isn't a part of our jobs, for nothing but more knowledge. Once you feel pretty competent at it, you end up wanting to give back.

In the end, people who are powerful via consumerism just have the resources to change the world unlike any others. If you're not at that point, you can still make your interactions valuable. Even with girls, just your behavior can bring value to their lives. Not tolerating bullshit is fundamental to TRP knowledge and the one thing about consumerism is that it brings a lot of bullshit, especially to a bluepill society, so don't tolerate it. Remove bullshit from yourself, your diet, your habits, your social interactions. That bullshit is best embodied by validation, the idea that having a lot of stuff makes you anything more than a 1, a self sustaining human being. You're rich and powerful, having a couple nice cars is fine, just realize what you are trading for this, because it's the truth. You're trading your personal wealth for fun. People who are twos have nice cars, but they don't base their personal value off them, they're probably just into cars because they make you go fast as shit, men's brains having been chasing shit at sub 20 mph for the past 400k years and the inner workings cars are brilliant. Take interest in the things in your life, don't take validation. There are so many shitty things going on in the world, yet it's slowly better over the last 10,000 years. Why? Because powerful, brilliant men and sometimes women knew the keys to providing the generation after with something better. Now a days better has so many meanings, but not too long ago better just meant not dead. Not everyone has this opinion, but it's what my life is by and TRP helped me to get there. Bringing value to the lives of lots of people is my goal, my inner value is already done. I'll let the things I have in my life be proportionate to the people I bring value to, instead of proportionate to how much money I have. Leave them better than they came, leave the world better than it came.

[–]Lashlarue123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots of mgtow losers here saying yea fuck getting better so we're attractive when the solution is just to look elsewhere for your women while getting better. But hey while these guys rot away so does my competition

[–]MeLlamoBenjamin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Ernest Hemingway

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (4 children)

The one who truly "does better" than others does not feel superior (in a "lol pleb" sense) in anyway, but wants others to do as well as him and sympathizes with their misfortune. Thus the charitable feeling you describe with people who desire to give back and help those less fortunate.

The people who are caught up in the consumerism paradigm are those people who brag about passing someone on the road in their sports car and $5,000 suit with two HB9 sluts in the backseat. Say what you want, but if I was ever wealthy, this would not be a desirable lifestyle to me. I would rather buy lots of land and build houses for myself and future children.

Lots of wealthy people really don't realize how important it is to give back to their respective society in order to enrich culture. I drive around my town now and see heroin addicts nodding off while begging for change at a sidewalk island. I see abandoned store fronts tagged with gang symbols. I saw some fat lady the other day dumping what appeared to be a broken power wheels toy in the parking lot of an abandoned restaurant.

This is all the result of the lower tiers of society's squalored culture. When society teaches people (for one example) that giving their children amphetamines will yield good behavior in classroom instead of issuing discipline and control of ones' mental faculties, this is the result. Humans who cannot think for themselves or act appropriately. They're like lab rats who have been drugged and mentally hijacked.

For those of us who are lucky enough to not have had our souls reaped or our mental faculties hijacked, I suggest we take on an approach of classical republicanism. Where one takes pride in being a charitable member of society, but one is also athetlic, fit, strong and intelligent.

The men who gravitate toward the red pill truly have something that lots of society is incapable of processing and with great power comes great responsibility. Politics aside, that responsibility is to make america great again.. No matter where you stand or what puppet you want to vote for.

[–]hiaf 5 points6 points  (1 child)

People are so caught up with this idea that they lose track of whats truly valuable in life, experiences not objects. Companies have successfully targeted and hit the minds of consumers and have made expensive yet obtainable luxury items for the middle and top social classes. A luxury supercar is meant to be something for the super rich, not something you save up for. People have it all wrong.

People now want to become rich in order to buy expensive things to show status and have fun. Ultimately this is winning in the game of life. A game that must be played in order to easily attract the best looking women.

It must be accepted, the game must be played.

I have no issues with this, I have accepted it. What I do have a problem with is millionaires pissing away their money instead of using it to build things for the betterment of society.

In order to help and improve a community we must first improve ourselves. Someone who is poor can only do so much, volunteering time. There is a reason millionaires only volunteer their time in a exhibiting manner; like cutting the ribbon for a new wing at a hospital, or planting a tree at a new park.

Their money is worth much more than their time in these cases.

[–]somehowhuman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A luxury supercar is meant to be something for the super rich, not something you save up for. People have it all wrong.

I personally don't agree with this. I respect everyone's decisions and lifestyle, and in fact, there's people that actually enjoys cars for the sake of it as a hobby or even a way of living. Someone can need only a supercar and live in some small house and have just the necessary clothes. Now replace car with anything you want, wether it's a house, horses, weapons (for sports practicing's sake), lands, etc.

If the person who owns any of that stuff, and does so just because he/she likes it, I think there's nothing wrong with it.

That's just my opinion, and sorry for any grammar/spelling mistakes you shall find, english is not my mother language.

[–]RedMoonAscendant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This comment is filled with gold. God. So good.

[–]princepeanutbutter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been in the fence about committing to a volunteer position using my skills and helping orphans (I live in a third world country), and I think you nailed it and what had been motivating me to sign up.

For the past year my interpretation of Red Pill has been heavily dating focused (though I lift and have my mission), but I agree it's the job of a man to be an Atticus Finch or a George Bailey or Bunny Colvin, silly as that may sound.. The world needs respectable men who stand for something and somebody in their communities. Fucking sluts week in week out is a young mans game and I feel like I've outgrown it.

The only thing I fear as a former Nice Guy is that I'll form a covert contract with the world . . Look at me the muscular man with the good job that still finds time to help orphans, the world owes me something for it, etc. I wonder what's the difference between inner confidence from that, and expectation.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Acquiring your lifestyle should come before acquiring your chick.

[–]1Su-Wu_Red 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Came in here expecting bullshit because the title goes against conventional wisdom. I walk away enlightened.

[–]mgbkurtz 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This hit me really hard. I was one of those consumers that needed a luxury car, expensive clothes and a nice apartment for status. It was a "counterfeit" way of expressing my value. I didn't save a dime in my 20s because of this, even though I earn good money.

Today, I don't own a car, shop at TJMaxx and live in a 450 sqft studio. I bank a full paycheck every month and now really "enjoy" life without any cash flow problems. This has greatly, positively impacted my self-esteem and worth.

[–]dreguan 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Great post. I have abandoned the 9 to 5 after saving well during my time in the military and while there is definitely a segment of the female population that I don't appeal to because I don't have a flashy car or six figure income, I am pursuing my dream of making adventure documentaries because by not buying inane pointless shit and paying to live downtown (Toronto....d grade spot lol) I have more to devote to building my dream.

Very insightful point too about the revenge fantasy. Part of me still gets caught up in this if a vapid or shallow girls spurns me. It's partly "one day you're gonna realize what you turned down" and partly "as you get to the wrong side of 30 your SMV* will go down and you will be deservedly humbled." But I try to be mindful of these feelings and not let them serve as my impetus because they are the wrong place to act from.

A sad reality I've had to accept is that to maintain the freedom I want to pursue my dreams I will largely have to forego a long-term partner and children indefinitely -I don't want the obligations right now. Also, beyond keeping my freedom to move as I need to, having children would force me back into wage slavery to support the kid which would kill me.

With regard to SMV I would go deeper and say that our whole socio-economic system which precedes consumerism in causality actually reinforces the worst potentials that people are born with. As we move toward a post-scarcity economy I think it will be other, more altruistic inborn potentials which are nurtured and the whole paradigm of dating will change.

tl;dr Pussy is made artificially scarce by female branch-swinging which itself is exacerbated by us buying into the idea of being "better" than each other. Women take our cue from us. If we stop treating them like the goal they will no longer see vapidity and branch-swinging as viable ways to get by.

[–]chop480 4 points4 points [recovered]

This is spot on. I took an early retirement at 56 with a very modest income and investment portfolio. Here 4 years later I've built an off grid homestead, obtained a small truck camper and traveled across the country twice and plan a hike on the PCT at 60 yrs old.

I have my health and simple needs. I have more than a few friends that are unhealthy and/or believe they need more. Several who are millionaires but can't or won't spend a dime on frivolous travel. Instead they spend on home improvement and health maintenance.

Just hiked 28 mile in the Green River, WY headwaters and saw some of the most spectacular sights I've had the privelge to see.

Now in Ketchum/Sun Valley ID rubbing elbows with the elite. They flew in; I drove in.

As far as women are concerned, I can't tell you how many I've talked to who are intrigued by my lifestyle. I have fun with the conversations knowing few would take it up. There are some out there who may be game and that may be where the unicorns are.

This is a huge, great country to explore. Some of my cynicism has been muted by getting out there.

[–]dreguan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll be exploring your beautiful country beginning in September as I make my way down south then across to the West Coast

[–]Bass_Monster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I just left a car dealership and I could not afford the car I wanted and started to feel depressed and angry. I think I'll go on a hike with my kids now and forget about it.

[–]MrBowlfish 10 points11 points  (1 child)

This is a very unpopular way of looking at life. We've all been trained (in the west anyway) to absolutely chase material wealth. Your proposed stance is a more eastern, buddhist stance and one that many people adopt later in life. I think a lot of the money humping and status chasing you see on this sub is due to it drawing a younger crowd. I look at status mongering and dollar chasing as compensation for feeling like a loser deep down. It's a way of seeking validation from society and I don't care much for that. All that being said, I do enjoy sports cars so I am not immune, of course.

[–]Unripe_rp 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's not that you enjoy sports cars that matters, but that you evaluate why, and what it is about them that you like

[–]SUNLIGHT_ENTHUSIAST 11 points11 points [recovered]

is there a book on this? I'd like to read more

[–]WishfulTraveler 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Meditations by Marcus Aurelius certainly focuses on it quite a bit.

[–]FuckyouAvast 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is a good intro to Stoicism that I would recommend before reading Meditations.

[–]alicewunderland 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you tried...googling books on consumerism? I mean, it worked for me. Though I haven't physically read any books yet, I read and watched countless minimalist content on the Internet and watched consumerist movies as a bonus, because, it was far quicker and immediately satisfied my thirst. One that comes to mind is the movie The Joneses (2009), which gets this message really good. If you watch it, tell me what you thought of it.

[–]aanarchist 6 points7 points  (1 child)

telling people to chase status is like telling them to stop chasing pussy. it's not gonna happen, especially after trp has spent the last however many years teaching a bunch of betas that they shouldn't listen to anyone cuz frame and how women decide their value and that they need high status to earn pussy. we got exactly what would be expected, a bunch of betas whose life pursuit is getting laid and telling his friends in trp all about it. thanks obama.

[–]king_of_red_alphas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly this.

OP is great but it left out a big point. TRP itself is destructive to mental peace of mind.

For all the talk about self-improvement and stoicism, it's still all about lifting, holding frame and "raising your SMV". Things that get you laid by hot sluts.

Now, personally, I'm fully aware of this. I'm aware of my addiction to validation. Lots of e-alphas post how they aren't seeking validation, yet here they are posing on Reddit swinging their cock around for up-votes.

My personal goal is to just go through a phase of fucking some high SMV girls until I viscerally understand how worthless it is.

This happened to me when I wanted to buy my "dream car" (at the time). Eventually I got it. Then it just became "my car" and over the years it actually became a shitty car compared to the next one I wanted. Then I "upgraded". I felt that rush again but the reality of car payments lingered long after the novelty of having a cool new car.

Now? I still like cool cars but I rarely dream about / lust after them as I used to because I've experienced the fleeting nature and immense cost of pursuing them. The emotional memory was necessary to obtain before I could really "get it" and stop giving a shit about what car I own.

I want to reach that same place with women and then just move on with my life.

[–]idahar 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think the author’s meaning isn’t to say that we should forsake material objects/riches, but to be mindful of what we’re working for.

People on their deathbed have the luxury of looking at things and always saying “I wish”, but if put in the same situation once again, what would stop them from falling back into the same consumerist mindset?

A man with his goals in mind can work as hard as he desires because it’s his choice. Working 80 hours a week for him might be fun, not because his boss is riding his ass 24/7 to produce results, but because he wishes to reach his goals. A lot of what we do is unconscious and triggered by what we think about, like revenge fantasies. But if you’re aware of the reason for which you’re buying that yacht, that G-Wagon, that house, then you can make a conscious decision and be true to yourself.

This is why it's important to be mindful and not lie to yourself about shit. Which coincides directly with the author's point that we try to conform and fit into society's standards rather than going about it on our own.

tl;drLive a life of a miser or a magnate, but know your purpose for doing so.

[–]TermsOfColors 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I always viewed money as freedom. I never wanted all the nice things, I don't give a shlt about all that.

[–]thehonestdouchebag 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Time is freedom. I plan on working 3-4 months a year in the trades and take the 12-16 month trips around the world for the rest of my life. Sure il never bang the hottest bitches, because I won't have money or status. But il have most of my life to do the things I want to do, that is true freedom.

[–]TermsOfColors 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I'm not the first to say time is money.

[–]magicaltits 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Noticed that a lot of aspects of TRP are basically synonymous with Buddhism and reaching Nirvana.

[–]Venenarium 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Funny right? Considering that we started with game, continued through with RSD and then finally branched out to TRP, I wonder what we will evolve to next. A solid school of philosphy may yet emerge from these online spaces someday in the future.

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[–]MrBowlfish 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Congrats on being a doctor, now don't forget to teach your patients about diet over medicine.

[–]BlueMondaze 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The problem with that is that patients don't want to hear that. They want an easy fix to their problems. They want the medicine. If you don't give them the medicine they go to another doctor that will.

[–]KenMastersMD 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Your values should allow you to accomplish what you can to the best of your abilities. You should seek mastery, not status, as status follows mastery.

[–]thehonestdouchebag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not necessarily. Many people here in the trades work less than 6 months a year and live the rest abroad in various awesome places. You don't need status to live an amazingly free life. You may love being a doctor, you may have to work more than you like to make payments. I can't judge your individual situation, but in my mind time is freedom. Having your time to yourself is the most important part of breaking free of the consumerist cycle.

[–]Waldo00 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Love is all there is, everything else is just staring into the void."-Bertrand Russel instead of recognizing that, and accepting the pain, risk, and fear of that, we all just keep jamming things into that void trying to fill it up. Unfortunaly it's an infinite nothingness to fill up. And we're here for another try.

[–]ronsoness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

great theory writing. well thought out. status is such an interesting concept. so many chase it. yet so few realize what exactly it is. they just know it correlates to getting poon.

i would say that status is very important and complements the fulfillment found in maslow's hiearchy of needs well. however, status itself, it quite unfulfilling. you can have a smoking hot wife, a rolls royce, a mansion, and envy of all the men in your social circle, but if you have vast empty feelings inside, it's all for naught. one example is jay gatsby -- the poor bastard. another great example is cersei lannister from game of thrones.

*** G.O.T. SPOILER ALERT*** she ends up becoming queen through killing her enemies, though in the process she indirectly causes her son to commit suicide in grief and gains the contempt of her lover. so she sits atop the throne, a great achievement, but not worth it when you consider that it cost her the closest relationships in her life to gain the throne.

[–]Justmyniche 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I try not to make it my main source of motivation for accomplishing things, but sometimes the thought of validation helps me to get started on things I don't currently have the drive to do. Approaching women, working on a business etc. Usually by the time I actually do the thing my brain starts to operate on a higher level of thinking and I completely forget about needing validation.

[–]Dolphintorpedo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What of the pursuit of perfection? I enjoy spending my time perusing the art of perfection through a hobby, meditation, photography, reading, etc. these are ways of wanting to become a better individual but this doesn't inherently place you within the "try to out compete others" pool. I must respectfully disagree with OP as consumerism seems to consume those seeking external validation not the other way about.

[–]slacker142 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good points OP. I've always been disturbed with TRP's fixation on wealth.

[–]mickey__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this post. I recognised myself here

[–]Crusader51st 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good post. Really needed to read this.

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These points are all true, but the fact still is most people will just never make enough money where they can make the tradeoff's to satisfy any of them. In a perfect world, we would make enough money to have both and not have to make the tradeoff but it simply just isn't a possible reality for many.

Tyler Durden didn't have a family to take care of and probably went out never seeing the world.

[–]AscendentOne 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which point exactly you can't follow without money? Spending time with family and friends? Chasing your dreams?

[–]BassNet -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Say what you want but you need status to get top tier pussy. That's just how this world works. If you're not playing the game, you're losing. TRP is sexual strategy, and one strategy that is often employed is gaining status and that requires consumerism at some point. I'm not saying you should buy things for validation, but if you want status in this world you can either buy it or earn it (or both).

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[–]thehonestdouchebag 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You've fallen hook,line and sinker for big business marketing. Don't feel bad though, they spend hundreds of millions on advertising to trick mental plebs such as yourself.

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I drove not only one but two 1991 Honda Civics around back to back and got laid constantly with grade A pussy. What does that make me?