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Red Pill TheoryDo you want Orgasm or do you want to Fuck? (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by NeoreactionSafe

Introduction

 

  • Orgasm is seen from your own perspective.

  • Fucking is conquest... it's the act of dominating.

 

Body

Heavy porn usage over time creates a passive viewer of sexual images. Ultimately the viewer begins to focus on his orgasm and on the inner dreamworld upon which the pornography is stimulating.

Fucking is different.

Women also achieve orgasm but it's different in that their biology is designed to be the receiver of action. A woman submits during orgasm. In order for the woman to submit (which is a feminine thing to do) she needs the male to have an equal or greater masculine polarity which means the man must fuck her and take her in a symbolic kind of conquest.

In a world not ruled by the laws of the State sex was very literal.

This meant that before the inversion of nature that the State created the act of a male fucking a woman into submission also corresponded perfectly with the dominance of the male over the female in other parts of life. That literal way of life is lost now and this is why confusion is so widespread.

I'm not going to go deeply into how seriously that messes up sexuality, but the concept of why it does should be perfectly clear.

Conclusion

Orgasm is simply releasing sexual energy, but by itself isn't fucking.

Fucking is this Yin and Yang thing where the male dominates the female and she experiences deep, deep surrender to you. Orgasm is the reward for fucking but isn't the main act which is conquest.

The beta often enters the whole topic of sex with this idea:

"I want my orgasm, will you please give me permission to have one."

...but on so many levels that's wrong.

Know what fucking means.

 


[–]TrapDour 156 points157 points  (56 children)

I get my rocks off by getting her rocks off; It's always been this way for me. This isn't derived from a desire please her per se, but there is something invigorating about the auditory and physical reactions of inflicting orgasim. The best is when afterwards all they can do is just lay there.

[–]Don_Keydick 60 points61 points  (17 children)

aye I agree! I care so much more about pleasuring her and hearing her screams than having an orgasm. For me, when I orgasm the only thing it means to me is that 'sex is over' if that makes sense.

[–]Gadnuk_ 42 points43 points  (11 children)

I'm right there with you. There is something very powerful knowing you're driving someone wild with sexual desire. A sense of accomplishment as a man, as that is the most primal goal programmed into us. She isn't giving you permission to ejaculate, she is begging you to. Before organized civilization this was the greatest goal of mankind, to have your seed be the most desirable and your genes passed on while others bloodlines are left to die.

Sometimes when I'm not even that close to finishing, feeling my girl finish sends me over the edge and we cum together. It is a fantastic feeling

[–]Don_Keydick 16 points17 points  (7 children)

I agree, cuming together is 5 seconds of pure magic and ecstacy.

[–]obama_loves_nsa 5 points6 points  (6 children)

To me sex isn't even fun until she's had an orgasm.

The best part is that once she has had an orgasm or 2 she will fully submit to you and beg you to fuck her in the most aggressive way possible. Before the female orgasms it's sex but it's still 'pre sex' for me

Agreed with the guys above. Getting her off is stage 1 separation on this multi stage orbital launch. Then it's literal out of this world fucking, THEN re-entry back to the real world when you blow your load in her while she's shaking violently as you do with her final orgasm. That's the proper way, don't let anyone convince you otherwise

PS: afterwords you take a nap... And she'll be full of energy. If you wake up from your nap and she hasn't cleaned your house and made you a warm brkfst lunch or dinner then she's not a keeper and doesn't worship you.

[–]Wenste 5 points6 points  (1 child)

"once she has had an orgasm or 2 she will fully submit to you and beg you to fuck her in the most aggressive way possible."

Yes, because she wants you to hurry up and finish.

Downvoted. Sorry the truth hurts.

[–]obama_loves_nsa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If the girl isn't into you and you're dragging it out yes. But man I hope you get to experience once in your life when you bring a girl to literal tears and shaking violently as if possessed by a literal demon. (Earthquake quiver style) they literally will worship you like your King Kong after that

[–]Don_Keydick 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yes i agree. My girlfriend likes to go on top first. I have no problem with this i play with her breasts and spank her and just lay back and relax while watching her face fill with so much pleasure. She gets tired quickly so i tell her 'my turn' and flip her over and take control for the rest of the sex. She's already had hers and now i can fuck her aggressively

[–]LordThunderbolt 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The greatest goal was just too make through another day. Predators had eyes on us

[–]annospig 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That's a pedantic point. The greatest goal was clearly to perpetuate your species, which requires both surviving and fucking.

[–]slay_it_forward 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And thats why protis are no good.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

The above sounds like conquest, this sounds like selflessness...

I like the above better, sounds more manly, less sevile

[–]JMCastillo86 6 points7 points  (0 children)

i wholeheartedly agree with this. something about them not ebing able to move afterwards... like you've defeated a foe.

[–]Friendly_B 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is also how my mind works.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get my rocks off by getting her rocks off;

this, it just means you are doing your job as a man. it feels so so good when it comes together though.

[–]Fly_Swim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

whats a guy with a little dick to do?

[–]DownWifDJTYaUNoMe -3 points-2 points  (25 children)

Same. BJJ dude here. I like to hold her down and make her come. She tries to squirm and get away but can't.

She said she comes harder than she ever has before. No one every fucked her properly before I guess.

[–]Gettingaware 49 points50 points  (14 children)

That's a lie. If she's 19 and had 1 boyfriend I'll believe it. But more likely she's lying to stroke your ego and maintain her image , and you bought it.

I'm only saying this because like clockwork when these threads come up, so does this post, and this is a huge way in which women manipulate men to commit, through ego validation.

Edit: also women live in the moment and exaggerate everything.

[–]dickie_smalls 12 points13 points  (5 children)

you might as well let your ego be stroked. as long as it doesn't change anything emotionally go ahead and think you're a boss for making her come hard.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children)

if she isn't stroking your ego then something is wrong. I don't believe my dick tastes like candy, but when she says it I know she is trying to please me because she values me

[–]welcome_to 20 points21 points  (3 children)

You haven't tasted my dick

[–]Swelfie 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Mine tastes like candy, but I'm not giving it to either of you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Should probably get that checked. We lost Patrice that way...

[–]p3n1x 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Using an extreme to combat something you don't whole heartedly agree with.

If you can't tell a real "OOOOHHHH" moment from ego stroke talk, you need to up your fuck game.

[–]Gettingaware 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I didn't use an extreme, nor was I combative towards DJ. If you misinterpreted my meaning I will attempt to clarify myself better in the future. Have a great day.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (3 children)

This is a "thick skin" zone. You did use an extreme example in your reply.

Combat, debate, contest , etc = synonyms. You are contesting and debating, no?

women live in the moment and exaggerate everything.

And if she truly is coming, moaning and twitching because of your swordplay, you will know what is being exaggerated and what is not. Not being able to tell if it is fake or not is the MANs problem, not hers.

[–]Swelfie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know they are because they plead to come back for more.

[–]Gettingaware 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You are correct, I was being rather dismissive towards you, but i trying to pull at your leg more than anything. Would you atleast agree that over time the love chemistry leaks out, and eventually her words become more part of the motion and complacent than genuine infatuation? I mean nothing last forever.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is a tough one for me to answer after my last year of experiences. There is that old cliche, "show me a hot chick, and I'll show you someone tired of fucking her". But, sometimes chicks get boring, because you yourself are the actual source of the boredom. We lead, they follow. You want more of a whore, make her one. You want more of a prude, make her one. Make her into what gets you off.

I now believe if we take a moment and properly identify the "boredom", you can rebuild the fire.

[–]TheDialecticParadox 2 points3 points  (3 children)

When you break up she'll tell all her friends that you were shit in bed and that's the reality she will believe too.

[–]DownWifDJTYaUNoMe 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Break up? Do you imagine that I am her boyfriend and we are in a committed relationship?

If we stop seeing each other, I will just fuck one of the other girls I regularly spend time with more often...

[–]TheDialecticParadox 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That wasn't my point. My point was female reality changes based on how she feels in that very moment. She told you those things because she felt good at the time. When things go sour her reality will change and all of a sudden you were a shit lay the entirety of her knowing you. That's why you can't take anything they say seriously.

[–]DownWifDJTYaUNoMe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If she is saying it she means it in that moment. She may change her mind later but in the meanwhile I can inflict a very powerful moment on her, the results of which I can observe and the methods by which I achieve it can be refined. The next hoe may teach me something else new too.

I agree with your comment but it presents a very narrow world view. I let these hoes pass over me like water dude. One comes around and stays a while and then leaves. Sometimes it's for days sometimes years.

All the while I'm watching and learning and improving. Each hoe I fuck, I fuck better harder and more effectively than the last. I create an unbelievable experience for her and then I have all the leverage because I fuck her like a champion and truly give no fucks about her feelings.

How she feels about it later means literally nothing to me. What she does after she leaves isn't my concern. There are always more hoes. So I guess I'm wondering why you care at all why women are the way they are. No amount of caring is going to change it. So just accept it and play your own game with your own rules.

[–]Hakametal 92 points93 points  (51 children)

My ex (whom I'm on very good terms with to this day) always told me that she, "loved to fight back during sex... and lose". What she was describing was a very primal desire that all women want, but most are too afraid to admit it. If a girl has a fetish, more often than not she won't tell you because 99% of the time it's rape fantasies. And yes, this is dangerous territory in the current climate of feminism and broken rape laws.

I don't know about anyone else, but I've always found that younger women (<22) don't really have orgasms during sex and I think it could be because they don't know how to truly surrender and to be dominated?

-EDIT- Here's an article with studies cited on the subject of rape victims experiencing orgasms. Really interesting. http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-05/science-arousal-during-rape

[–]inspiron3000 88 points89 points  (4 children)

It's like dancing - some women just want to try to lead. If you let them you fail.

An ex tried to lead in bed, so I let her, and then she complained that the sex sucked.

[–]Titan_Coeus 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I had an ex that tried to do it to me. I knocked her off top, pinned her down and pulled out some "surprise" bed straps.

She loved it, it's always a test.

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    [–]Swelfie 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Oh yeah. When they do that it means they want you to totally dominate them. Anytime she gets that aggressive you bench press her off you, pin her down, flip her over and have your way. If she plays faux dominance, that's like permission for game on.

    [–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (5 children)

    My ex was into bdsm openly to me and had many rape fantasies. She was also a feminist. She wanted the idea of sexual desires to be separate from her political desires.

    [–]25russianbear25 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    I can vouch for that. Has a very feminist buddy and she let me slap her in the face.

    The cognitive dissonance is huge. Biology trumps ideology(relatively speaking)

    [–]oa09283409 17 points18 points  (2 children)

    That's because the political desires are the device they use to assuage the guilt they get from the sexual desires.

    They are mutually reinforcing.

    [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 18 points19 points  (1 child)

    Mutually reinforcing while contradictory. That's how all SJW logic works: Reinforce the feels, contradict reality.

    [–]NikoMyshkin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    feelz is realz. solipsism.

    [–]obama_loves_nsa -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Lol feminists are fucking idiots. Usually the most slutty too bc they keep denying themselves real men and they are fucking desperate for one lol

    [–]probpoopin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I've had several women tell me I was the first to give them an orgasm. I don't think I'm doing anything special. I just don't think any guy has bent them over and had their way with them. I like a submissive women, especially in the bedroom. I think you make an interesting point.

    [–]torodinson 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Good point.

    That one may come back to you.

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      [–]2awalt_cupcake 12 points13 points  (13 children)

      a lot of guys don't know how to fuck at all. It's more than just sticking your dick in and humping. Changing it up, choking, hand technique, oral technique, responding in turn to her moaning, etc.

      [–]Hakametal 11 points12 points  (4 children)

      I agree on the first part of your comment, some guys are just pound, pound, pound. The last girl I dated however was quite inexperienced and told me it took her ex boyfriend 4 months to finally make her climax. Now I'm quite a competitive person so I took this as a challenge. It took me 40 solid minutes of every trick I knew and when she did "climax" it was like a whimper.

      I go back to my original comment; I think some women are too structured and don't know how to surrender their will and just "let go". Just my experience though.... or maybe I'm terrible at shagging haha!

      [–]2awalt_cupcake 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Now I'm quite a competitive person so I took this as a challenge

      lmao right? How can I out-deprave this chick from the last guy who was in here? Good stuff.

      I think some women are too structured and don't know how to surrender their will and just "let go"

      There are a lot of women who are too tied up in the head but with the right man (and right guidance) they will feel relaxed.

      [–]skippwiggins 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      I think it is partly the surrender thing and partly guys just don't know how to fuck. I've had many woman tell me that I'm the best they've ever had. I've made most of those women climax, and usually it took about 30-60 minutes of straight hardcore cardio taxing fucking. Most guys just aren't fit enough to last long enough. If you are fucking right it will be one tough fucking workout. You should have to mentally push past that barrier where you just want to quit to catch a breath. I cycle 25 miles every single day but 30 mins in bed with my ex is much more physically taxing than that. The entire bed will be soaked, it doesn't matter if we change the sheets- those will get wet too. Of course make sure its a new position every 2-5 minutes. Now I want some sex, good thing I have a hedonistic ex who will let me choke her while I destroy her cervix.

      [–]MAWL_SC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      What was it they said: "If it doesn't sound like your stirring Mac and Cheese,your doing it wrong."

      [–]Swelfie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      bro tip: If she is too structured then yeah, you are doing it wrong. She isn't "letting go" because there isn't any fantasy. Sure, your cock all up in her feels nice, but she was hoping for more. She is structured to keep your ass at arms length. Someone that will save her and her baby from a charging bear is the kind of dude she is waiting for and well, your cock is up in her, but you ain't no bear killer.

      If she's laying there, enjoying her self kinda, then you are shy. Remember that favorite porn scene you keep going back to? Yeah. Now make her that. She isn't responsive, so you escalate. You escalate until you are a fucking wild bear killer with your cock out. You take that little bitch because she's yours and you are short on time because you have mother fucking bears to kill with your bear hands.

      She'll respond. She'll fucking call you back first.

      [–]TheReformist94 4 points5 points  (6 children)

      It rele is just sticking your dick in.you are either genetically alpha or not. Women either viscerally lust over you or they don't. If brad Pitt was boning your LTR, mere strokes would make her cum in waves

      [–]2awalt_cupcake 6 points7 points  (2 children)

      There's a huge difference between the man who sticks his dick in and cums and the man who makes an event out of it. Which one will she remember? She made stud muffin cum with her super vagina or when Daniel the Dom tied her up and fucked her silly, throwing her around, and making her get on her knees with a buttplug shoved up her hole?

      [–]whataboutudummy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      What are you basing that on??? The mechanics matter also.

      [–]Wenste 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Have you never had sex with a woman who's amazing in bed - or a woman who's bad? There's much more to it than just sticking it in.

      [–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      i have and the difference is astounding. but what i am trying to say is that there is an element that is out of your control. they either viscerally lust over you or they dont. no amount of game/status will work if it doesnt cross a looks threshold of some sort.

      part of the re dpill is accepting not everyone can be in the top 20%

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (10 children)

      This is weird territory because many girls (I believe around 70%) claim they never orgasm from sex. However, something like 90% or higher claim to have orgasmed during rape. Not advocating rape but there is definitely a bigger correlation in being dominated to females having orgasm than just the physical aspect.

      Also true about girls younger than about 22 because they want to believe they are strawng and indenpendynt and you can't control meh!

      [–]Hakametal 16 points17 points  (5 children)

      Any sources on that? I'd like to read more on this.

      [–]reigorius 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Will the link or my account be banned if I put a link to something outside Reddit? Anyways, first hit in Google suggest an orgasm for rape victims to happen between 20 and 50% of those victims. So not the 90% that that noob claimed.

      Especially interesting is women who never orgasm in their marriage, but did when raped.

      [–]ballietbran 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I read that last part in Cartman's voice

      [–]playdontpay 63 points64 points  (13 children)

      Totally agree with this, it's what women want too deep down but they get all these fucked up " be in control" " be on top" messages from the femistazi, that conflicts with their innate need to be dominated during sex.

      This creates a dangerous sexual landscape for men as she could easily hampsterise being dominated into being raped even though it was consensual. Especially if she considers that you have "disrespected" her afterwards by being aloof or displaying an Idgaf attitude after the sex.

      Dangerous times for a man who acts like a real man in the bedroom.

      [–]Rub_Lowe 21 points22 points  (9 children)

      You can still be alpha dog when a girl rides you.

      [–]1ToSeeAndToHear 5 points6 points  (4 children)

      Had a girl surprised that I did this... she said it was a first. Just leaves me wondering how shit the other guys were.

      Gonna credit training BJJ for that some - on your back doesn't necessarily mean inferior position.

      [–]1naMlliPdeR 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      BJJ black belt here. What belt?

      [–]1ToSeeAndToHear 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Just a white belt, trained maybe 8 months now.

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      better than those mcdojos that get you your green belt on your fourth month. BJJ is the one thing that when someone tells you they are a black belt in it, it's almost guaranteed that they're effective

      [–]Swelfie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Not at all. In fact, when I tell her to ride me because I want to watch her breast bounce when I cum, then it's totally an act of submission.

      [–]flexiblehold 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      Was about to post this too. Some safe choking, hair pulling, hand on her chin, slaps, a finger in her ass -- all acts of domination -- work from here.

      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      really. Just tell her what to do and you've taken control. Tell her to plant her feet and squat over you, tell her to turn around so you can see her ass. Whatever it is, put some growl in it

      [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

      Awesome post. You're spot on!

      This is why when a woman decides to have sex with her husband because it's "important for marriage", even if she gives him sex every day, he won't be happy.

      If she's "giving him" sex, she isn't a part of it. She didn't submit. This is the essence of starfish sex. If you get starfish sex every day, you'll end up feeling worse about yourself than if you got no sex at all.

      The woman than claims that her husband is insatiable. Look - she says - I give him sex every day and he still isn't happy.

      Sure, you gave him an orgasm every day, but you held the power of sex the whole time. You didn't submit one iota. Of course he isn't happy. The more such sex you give him, the more of a failure it makes him. He failed to dominate you. Whether he consciously realizes it or not, he feels like a failure and that's why he isn't happy.

      [–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (4 children)

      Some betas go even further.

      Will you please give me permission to want to have an orgasm?

      Some things are just pathetic.

      [–]mrj0ker 32 points33 points  (3 children)

      I had a beta friend that told me he asked a girl if he could "at least lick her pussy". Big surprise that didn't work haha

      [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 19 points20 points  (0 children)

      Gag....I just threw up a little...

      I am very much a Dominant lover, and I love to eat pussy (if it's pretty and clean). I've had two submissive girls say "I don't really like it when a guy gives me oral. It's kind of like I'm topping him". My response? I tied her up and told her "I'm sucking on your cunt because I feel like it, not to please you." Problem solved.

      It's all a mental game and we have to remember to always stay on top. It's where they want us to be.

      [–]OmniscientOCE 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      It's kinda sad that someone can be THAT sexually frustrated.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The final step down is just saying fuck it and doing cuckold porn.

      [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 71 points72 points  (31 children)

      It's indeed a sorry state of affairs when this has to be stated.

      I often fuck my women without having an orgasm. They usually ask "You didn't cum? Why not? " And they feel slightly inferior, or like they didn't "do their job". I respond, "I didn't want to cum. I wanted to fuck you."

      Like you said, orgasm is not fucking. I often do not want to cum as then the sexual dynamic changes completely. I become docile, loving, grateful, cuddly, sleepy etc......can you say B E T A ? Try fucking your girl and not coming at all. You will feel your male energy surge and stay with you all day.

      Your woman will feel in debt and want to get you to orgasm with/in her and will work to do so.

      Edit: I'm starting to think of cum/semen/ejaculate, as the power. We have it, they want it, once we cum in them...they've got it. Think about it.

      Good stuff OP

      [–]Mithra9009 33 points34 points  (4 children)

      So you fuck women but you... deny her your essence?

      [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      Exactly. Not always, but yes, that's the essence of what I'm saying.

      [–]Wenste 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Whoa, you just gave him your essence.

      [–]SUCKDO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I think you missed a reference about precious bodily fluids

      [–]sorceryofthetesticle 9 points10 points  (3 children)

      All the myths about the power of orgasm (eg. Succubuses killing men by drawing their energy out through sex/orgasm) weren't mere superstition. Orgasm is a powerful, powerful thing.

      Thanks for your perspective, I've experienced similar things when I don't ejaculate.

      [–]LuvBeer 12 points13 points  (7 children)

      Not sure why you're getting downvoted. I save my orgasms for particularly good fucks, otherwise the refractory phase means I'm not at top form for a couple of days. This is important if you have several regular girls and you're fucking new ones. The only way to satisfy your regulars and go for new ones is if you don't orgasm every time. Just because you don't orgasm doesn't mean it's not a good, satisfying fuck.

      [–]enjoytheloss2 14 points15 points  (1 child)

      refractory phase means I'm not at top form for a couple of days

      Hmm.. I have a different experience. Sex boosts my ego, and cumming is like 'yea, take it bitch'.

      [–]Forcetobereckonedwit -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

      I got downvoted? LOL, there are some real losers on this sub. Whatevs. Haters be hatin'. Maybe because I linked cumming with beta traits and that rang a bell they didn't want to hear.

      [–]TangoZulu -1 points0 points  (3 children)

      You're absolutely correct. Have an up vote.

      [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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        [–]TangoZulu 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        You're probably jerking yourself right now thinking about that, you little beta bitch. Grow up.

        [–]LordThunderbolt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Can confirm. The first time I fucked my ex I couldn't cum. I fucked get for a good hour and a half. Did she cum? I don't remember. But she did ask me why I didn't cum and I remember her looking like she's feeling inadequate lol.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Another Tantric convert. Never believed it until I tried some The Way of the Superior Lover.

        [–]SolaireOfCaestora 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        My problem is that I come too quickly. Cant really control it, if i try and prevent myself I cant fuck properly. Pretty much every time i come and then wait about 5-10 minutes and make her touch herself or I slap her pussy or make her get on her hands and knees and show off for me until i get hard again, then I can really fuck her. Is there a way you can just not come? This works for now mainly because i have a long term girlfriend, but its ending (mutual decision, im moving away).

        [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Are you young? As in under 25? Maybe you need to get a quick wank in right before a date/tryst/bootycall. Other than that, I find that if I stop myself from coming, and then do that again, while it's not that easy if the scene is hot, after that I can go as long as I want. You have to train your body so that you're in command. Best of luck!

        [–]skippwiggins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        After 8 years of tearing apart my ex and other girls I finally have discovered the fucking truth. When I have sex it is an event and the best part of my fucking day. This part of my life i have 100% control over and I will do it my fucking way. I will feel like a fucking god, akin to squatting 400lbs while the 9 behind me has googly eyes watching me. Soon as I cum I will let the girl go on my shoulder and we will laugh and kiss, etc. If I don't cum I will throw her underwear at her and we will get dressed and go do something together(is this bad/wrong, hanging out with plates??) and ill be my typically cocky confident self. I have never identified the reasoning until now. What you have provided me is invaluable. Fucking is 1000X better than the orgasm itself.

        Edit: question added.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I agree, and we must stop our precious bodily fluids from the corruption of fluoridation of water. That's why I only drink rainwater and grain alcohol.

        [–]askerman97 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        This is really conflicting with my NoFap. I'm NoFapping because U can't have sex if I beat it to porn.

        [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        It's the new No-fap. Fuck her but No-cum

        [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (6 children)

        I recommend practicing karezza (refraining from ejaculation) 50 to 90 percent of the time you have sex.

        [–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (2 children)

        50 to 90, eh? I've always heard 37 to 74. Can you explain your methodology?

        [–]TheSelfGoverned 5 points6 points  (2 children)

        Fighting ejaculation for 20-30 minutes makes sense, as the experience builds and builds for both participants...but refraining completely? What is your reasoning?

        [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        For the benefits of semen retention generally. Greater energy levels in the hours after sex, including retaining your libido. A karezza practitioner will be ready to fuck with full sexual energy just an hour after sex versus many hours or a full day. Hopefully your partner is sex-hungry or you have plates at your disposal.

        [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        Couldn't find "Kill the beta" in the text. I think Neo was hacked. Lol

        [–]heatyourpipe 17 points18 points  (7 children)

        My LTR asks me if its okay that she comes while I'm fucking her brains out. She WANTS to be dominated, and she WANTS to be submissive to her man. As she should.

        [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        Remember to say "No" once in a while.

        [–]Fly_Swim -1 points0 points  (5 children)

        so whats a guy with a little dick to do? He can never actually give the woman pleasure (regardginn PiV only)

        [–]GoodGuyPaul 9 points10 points  (3 children)

        Look up Sex God Method. There's a psychological aspect to sex also.

        [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

        I feel like that guy above you is trolling. You always see these guys on TRP who just complain about the fact that they have a small dick and talk about literally nothing else. Just look at his post history. Probably some beta trying to fuck with us.

        [–]GoodGuyPaul 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        So sad. You're probably right.

        [–]ReisenUndVerspeisen 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Unless he has a micropenis he definitely can give her some pleasure from PiV. But if that part is the least stimulating, just increase the rest. Be even more dominant (throwing her around, pushing her down, giving commands, spanking, choking, etc) and more oral and fingering (maybd stimulate clit while fucking her). Just have fun and maximize whats pleasureable for her without disregarding yourself.

        [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

        Totally agree. This is a good post that goes to the heart of Red Pill wisdom.

        Another thing to note: all porn might be gay.

        When you view porn, you watch the woman get fucked, right? Looking at the man thrust is gross.

        So you stimulate yourself and fixate on the woman (the submissive partner).

        Doesn't sound so bad, but let's follow this through logically.

        1) Turn on porn

        2) Fixate on the feminine/submissive side of sex

        3) Feel sexual stimulation/pleasure

        4) Repeat this process for years on end (often starting at a young age)

        This trains you to associate sexual arousel with submission. After awhile, you may start to identify with the feminine role.

        Input = Person getting fucked

        Output = You feel pleasure

        You're taking pleasure in the woman's side of sex when you jack off to porn.

        Porn makes you feminine.

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            [–]SolaireOfCaestora 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            As a bisexual man I watch the whole thing

            [–]battmaker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            I do not care about my woman's orgasm, but I have learned that she finds hers the more aggressively I pursue my own. So I challenge this post to say that fucking and pursuing your own orgasm are not mutually exclusive.

            [–]StoicBeard 12 points13 points  (5 children)

            Everything in the world is about sex, except sex.

            Sex is about power.

            [–]flexiblehold 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            Therefore everything is about power.

            [–]Fly_Swim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            so hows a guy w a little dick supposed to be able to enjoy life?

            [–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Excellent post that says so much with precious few words.

            [–]1ToSeeAndToHear 2 points3 points  (5 children)

            I want both, and I'm frustrated that I'm only fucking.

            I posted a FR a few weeks back about an ONS and since have had some more success, but every time I just fuck the girl until I'm tired and she's sore.

            Is it good? Yeah. If I had to pick between coming in five minutes or fucking a girl for an hour and a half and not finishing, I'd take what I have right now. If I just wanted to orgasm, I own a fleshlight and a computer, solo orgasms would be easy.

            But fuck, I still really want to finish while fucking. Probably just means I need to up my SMV and get with hotter girls.

            [–]RedDeadlift 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            If you watch porn, quit. It will increase your sensitivity.

            [–]1ToSeeAndToHear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Already have, will continue to do so. Thanks for the advice.

            [–]UncleSniffy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            definitely the last paragraph. if you still had trouble fucking 8s I would be very surprised

            [–]rtcolleen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            What Sniffy said. I thought that I have endurance, and that I really can hold it, but after a long time upping my SMV, the women I am with now are so fucking hot, I have a very hard time not cumming. Not because I don't know how to hold it, but because it feels so fucking good, you just wanna cheat the system.

            [–]raidensnakeezio 2 points3 points  (3 children)

            Noob here. What if the idea I have is: "I want you to have an orgasm."

            Another thing is, I've heard of women who can get off from being dominant. I know the entire point of TRP is that women are supposed to be dominated and all that jazz. But it can't hurt and it'd be nice if you could just sit along for the ride watching her get off on your dick right?

            [–]Unholy_VI 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            If that's the idea you have then you're placing her value above your own.

            The whole TRP philosophy involves taking the lead and not allowing women to dominate. If a woman really wants that then she isn't accepting her natural place and maybe she'd be good for a night of kinky fun but seriously you should be looking for women who enthusiastically submit in bed and every other area to you.

            [–]raidensnakeezio 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Alright, then what about simply getting her off instead? We do have refractory periods and nutting with her for one round makes sex and the (total) domination time kinda short. Your pants don't have to be off for you to dominate her. There's plenty of guys that love eating out and know how to put their FingerBlastertm to use. A 3-for-1 special sounds much more appealing to me.

            [–]Unholy_VI 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I like it when the girl has an orgasm or gets really excited because that makes me get even more aroused. But if she doesn't cum i'm not going to worry about it.

            In the end I'm there for my pleasure, hers is her own business.

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Women are incredibly situational and scheming when it comes to men. If you aren't aware of a woman's true nature you are at the whims of her grand scheme.

            This simply means that your girlfriend will submit to the accidental hippy at the bar while disrespecting your high value ass- regardless if you are better or not. Unless you assert your dominance in every facet of life it will eventually screw you over.

            Unplugging means you get to have clarity is all areas of life. There's no more doubt if your cause is right or not. It still sickens me to watch my gym mates get bossed around by their starfish-fuck of a girlfriend. While she drools at less competent men on the side.

            tl;dr - life is one big roulette unless you take control of it

            [–]IndyBrodaSolo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Just check Amazon or Goodreads for most popular erotica novels and almost all of them are about alpha male dominating submissive woman.

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            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            As always, recommending the Sex God Method by Daniel Rose. It has everything you need. Only problem with SGM is it advocates PinV orgasms to be the end-all-be-all without mentioning the fact that only about 30-40% of women can actually have one.

            Also stop watching porn except for very rarely. All it does is ruin your dopamine receptors and makes you focus on orgasm. If you have to jerk it, do it with a purpose and make it last as long as you can and maybe not even let yourself orgasm from it.

            [–]flexiblehold 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Going NoFaptoPorn has been great for me. You're right about dopamine reactors. Sometimes I have to jerk off, I do my best to refrain if possible and no longer use any visual imagery to stimulate me while fapping -- no porn now for 3 months and my actual, non-simulated sex has been 10x better.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            "I want my orgasm, will you please give me permission to have one." ...but on so many levels that's wrong.

            I feel like this is the mindset that most men in "dead bedroom" situations and very infrequent sex have in their head. Blue pill to the max. If you're in a relationship you should feel entitled to have sex with your woman and she should reciprocate.

            Obviously, we all have moments where we're "not in the mood" or "too tired" and that's okay, but if that results in sex coming down to once a month, once a week, or whatever time span it takes for you to say "fuck this" then it's time to leave the relationship (obviously).

            I feel like the guys who stay in dead bedroom situations mostly have low T, low self-esteem, lack of confidence, and simply don't understand the concept of "taking the lead" as a man.. which is going to result in their women not wanting to fuck them.

            [–]harsha_hs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Men are designed to go for multiple conquests. Once you have sex with that lady, naturally you feel you have conquered her and unless you are beta brainwashed, you will feel like going for other conquest. Men are designed to seek challenges and solve them

            [–]p3n1x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I know there are so many varying opinions around this subject. But fellas, you MUST give a shit about your sex game.

            Take her, dominate her, FUCK her. Make her want your dick. Reward her brain with her own chemicals designed for making submission positive. It is the way of nature.

            Guess what, women talk. To everyone.

            There are so many men I know, that don't know that I know how shitty they are. Some girls like to brag about "good sex", but usually don't want to share that information for many reasons. If you suck in bed, everyone she knows, WILL know.

            I get to see and hear about your pitiful beta texts. I get to hear about your soft inadequate sex. I get to listen to your woman beg me to give her what she is desperate for..... She stays with you out of blind hope that one day you will "get it" and "change".

            If you think you are so awesome and arrogant that you can burnout on weed (or whatever), play your video games, keep some faux frame from watching porn and then two pump chump your woman when you get the tingle ... guess what ... I am the side guy keeping your relationship in tact while she "waits" for your bitchness to subside.

            My favorite girl to bang, is the one with a guy who believes "that shit don't happen to me, I'm different"!

            [–]1SexdictatorLucifer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Do not let a woman control what's happening in bed. If she says do this, do that. If she says slow down, speed up. If she tries to exert control over you (tries to pin you down, etc) react aggressively. Only once you have completely dominated her can you allow her to get on top or remotely control the situation. Even when she's on top, grab her ass or hips and control her movement like youre using her as a sex toy.

            A lot of women think they know what they like. You have to show them what they actually like. The result is complete loss motor control.

            [–]1ToSeeAndToHear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Mostly true, but the value of making her beg for something she's anticipating really can't be overstated.

            [–]1naMlliPdeR 3 points4 points  (11 children)

            Great post. I did a very similar one. Very contraversial, because I don't advocate oral sex. I myself never do it, but it comes from a submissive frame, of wanting to please.

            It's true, she doesn't care much whether she cums or not, as long as she's having her brains fucked out.

            I have to say though, most betas I've talked to are not even thinking of their own orgasms, they're just thinking whether they satisfied the girl or not. They feel honored that they are allowed to be a personalized pussy licker at the girl's disposal.

            [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

            You've apparently never given an orgasm strong enough from going down on her that you have to hold her down while she comes over and over all over your face while she begs you for mercy.

            [–]LuvBeer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            There's arguments for both sides. After reading the TRP post about how to make your girl squirt I started eating pussy again and as you say they have very strong orgasms. But previously I hadn't gone down on many repeat customers for years and they still came back, presumably because they were happy with the fucking. I think girls are less orgasm-centric, if you do a good job fucking them, the orgasm per se isn't necessary if, say, eating pussy isn't your thing, or if you just can't make it happen.

            [–]enjoytheloss2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Just use the magic wand. EZ mode

            [–]TrapDour 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            I enjoy cunnalingus;not necessarily because I'm overly concerned with her satisfaction, but because I simply enjoy doing it. I like the taste of pussy, and I think it's a fun thing to have in your face.

            [–]1thebaldbear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Agreed, I get an incredible feeling of power / arousal from making a woman beg for an orgasm.

            [–]NaughtyFred 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            How do you get the "you suck my cock, I'm not licking your pussy" deal to fly?

            Is it a matter of making it clear "that's how things are going to be, if you don't like it...there's the door" or is it more complex?

            [–]andAutomator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Interested in seeing some tips to encourage woman to get into that surrendered state. I've made a girl orgasm only a handful of times and I'd like to master the technique.

            [–]CinematicRacer14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Fucking is only fun when the woman is super engaged. Like I remember being with some women who have roughed me up. I didn't even realize that I was into that until I started fucking women who were into that.

            When I watch porn I just want to imagine myself do things that I probably wouldn't ask a woman to do.

            [–]scenikeight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            look i came here for a laugh and i reckon this shit's hilarious but are you telling me people actually understand this shitty poetry

            [–]ecosci 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            No, the woman is pleased by you doing what you want to please yourself she is a pleaser by nature so thats why the sex with badboys is good for her because he is primal not soft he puts her in many sexual positions for his own pleasure first then the woman is turned on more by his selfishness it triggers her female nature to nurture and satisfy dont ever have sex thinking about pleasing them before you plus it will help with anxiety be a man first and formost.

            [–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Executive summary (because Tl;dr sounds rude for others' good posts):

            If you want just an orgasm, a feel-good reward for nothing, jack off. Actually fucking a woman is a conquest, which has excitement in itself

            [–]StephaniLane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Totally agree with this, it's what women want too deep down but they get all these fucked up " be in control" " be on top" messages from the femistazi, that conflicts with their innate need to be dominated during sex. This creates a dangerous sexual landscape for men as she could easily hampsterise being dominated into being raped even though it was consensual. Especially if she considers that you have "disrespected" her afterwards by being aloof or displaying an Idgaf attitude after the sex. Dangerous times for a man who acts like a real man in the bedroom.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (15 children)

            Wrooong, so wrong as usual.

            Yes, the act of sex involves the woman submitting to the man but sex isn't about 'conquest' it's about getting female validation.

            the act of a male fucking a woman into submission also corresponded perfectly with the dominance of the male over the female in other parts of life

            Why? Why should it? Because it fits your fantasy of dominating a woman? The actual behavior of men and women in a liberated society demonstrates that this isn't even remotely true. It was PRE-sexual liberation laws and society that inhibited a woman from dominating the man. Now that women can earn as much as men, and can fuck whoever they want, it becomes apparent that women aren't these submissive little angels.

            WAKE THE FUCK UP.

            Females act through deception and part of that deception is feigning submission. If she has all you retards convinced that she's submissive to you then she can get whatever it is she wants from you, and if she thinks you're offering her enough then she'll spread her legs every now and then to get it. Women are literally whores and will feign submission to get what they want from you, and that'll make you all giddy and lovey, exactly how she wants a man in a relationship.

            If you're so dominant then why the fuck are you serving her? Why are you her entertainer, her bodyguard, her day planner, her 'rock'? Is this how domination usually works? Did plantation owners pick cotton for black people?

            I know it's hard for all you tradcucks to swallow but if you want to see how men and women really behave you must observe them within the context of a liberated society. There's a reason the 'patriarchy' existed and it's because when women are free to act and behave the way they want, this is what happens.

            I know it makes the tradfaggots here feel warm and fluffy inside to think that there's some silver lining to all of this, but there isn't. There's no global conspiracy to make women dominant over men, women simply are, by nature, the generally dominant sex. This is why feminism happened. No one's really pulling the strings behind it, women genuinely think like this, they genuinely think that they're victims and that everyone should fall in line with the female sexual imperative. Patriarchy existed because when women are liberated they do all kinds of stupid, crazy, woman shit, not because it's the 'natural order' or whatever nonsense that's supposed to be.

            It's why female children are bossy cunts, because they naturally are that way. If it came naturally to 95% of men (roughly) who are beta males to dominate women you wouldn't have to come to a fucking internet forum to 'swallow the pill'.

            [–]RedVladimir 1 point2 points  (8 children)

            Why? Why should it? Because it fits your fantasy of dominating a woman? The actual behavior of men and women in a liberated society demonstrates that this isn't even remotely true. It was PRE-sexual liberation laws and society that inhibited a woman from dominating the man. Now that women can earn as much as men, and can fuck whoever they want, it becomes apparent that women aren't these submissive little angels.

            Women are indeed the gatekeepers of sex, but they relinquish this power ONLY to a strong man. Just because you're submissive doesn't mean you don't have cards on the table to play with. Women are intelligent human beings; it would be naive to think if a group controls the distribution of a type of goods, that some wouldn't use this 'control' inappropriately.

            Either way, you seem to forget a very simple TRP fact: every woman wants (and stays with) a strong man. If you disagree with this, then you may be in the wrong sub. If you agree with this, then that invalidates this paragraph.

            One down, many more to go!

            Females act through deception and part of that deception is feigning submission. If she has all you retards convinced that she's submissive to you then she can get whatever it is she wants from you, and if she thinks you're offering her enough then she'll spread her legs every now and then to get it. Women are literally whores and will feign submission to get what they want from you, and that'll make you all giddy and lovey, exactly how she wants a man in a relationship.

            This sounds like anger phase to me. Have you never been 'loved' by a woman? I had a plate beg me and kiss my feet because I decided to break things off (precisely because she was getting stalker-ish). It's a stark contrast, isn't? I have seen women do things for Alpha men that can only be compared by the most Beta men. Women do not have an ulterior motive if they are attracted to you, their actions are emotionally driven. Emotions you help evoke (or not).

            Get it into your brain: women only play men that deserve to be played. It's always your fault, because with great power comes great responsibility.

            If you're so dominant then why the fuck are you serving her? Why are you her entertainer, her bodyguard, her day planner, her 'rock'? Is this how domination usually works? Did plantation owners pick cotton for black people?

            Your implication that gender roles do not exist is absurd. It's the equivalent of saying if you are the commander in chief, why do you need need to follow the orders from secret service chief. The reason is because each person has a role, and the fulfillment of each role complements the other. A woman's feminine devotion to her man is the ultimate aphrodisiac to a powerful man that supports and protects her.

            I know it makes the tradfaggots here feel warm and fluffy inside to think that there's some silver lining to all of this, but there isn't. There's no global conspiracy to make women dominant over men, women simply are, by nature, the generally dominant sex.

            This is just completely wrong. Women are not the dominant sex. It's a well known scientific fact. Testosterone plays a key role in increasing dominance and aggression in men. There's a reason we have evolved to be taller, stronger and faster than women: we produce A LOT more of it. We needed to hunt, women needed to gather. And if you suggest that the very act of hunting is supplicating to the female species then that's even crazier. Such a suggestion makes interpersonal relationships purely transactional, and we know humans are social apes. Men are not devoid of emotions, and we were certainly not out of rational thought to not understand that the hunt was just as much for us and and our mate(s) as it was for the offspring.

            This is why feminism happened. No one's really pulling the strings behind it, women genuinely think like this, they genuinely think that they're victims and that everyone should fall in line with the female sexual imperative.

            If you go to the root of it, modern feminism is women's inability to reconcile their place in the modern world. A world where 'strong' means high-paying, not child-rearing. A definition not changed (or even put in place!) by men, mind you, but society. Modern feminism is a social anomaly that's product of women's inability to accept their physical inferiority to men. Every other area of power NOT controlled by our genetical predisposition for aggression and strength is sought after by women in order to one-up men. They will fail, because more often than not, these genetic predispositions do lead men to positions of power (regardless of physicality). When you are confronted with this, it seems inevitable to establish the status quo through social machinations. In other words, it's not that men are better than women. It's that women don't seem to like what they are better at.

            Patriarchy existed because when women are liberated they do all kinds of stupid, crazy, woman shit, not because it's the 'natural order' or whatever nonsense that's supposed to be.

            Wrong yet again. Patriarchy existed because men hunted, and women gathered. Simple. If you believe in evolution, then I recommend reading The Red Queen by Matt Ridley. Just ask yourself this: why two genders? Why didn't we evolve to just be hermaphrodites? Or better yet, why the need of a penis ejaculating into a vagina? Wouldn't it be easier to just have females replicate her eggs like other species do? The truth is, natural selection made men stronger for a reason (too long for this post) and that reason led to men being stronger and therefore better suited to hunt. Hunting was a high risk and high reward position.

            Now, the CEO of a company deserves the respect of every department in his corporation, but the respect of his employees comes at the high-stress cost of him managing his business in a way that yields the expected revenue every quarter; as it is his responsibility to pay all those who work for him and grow the company. So patriarchy was an indirect result of evolution that proved beneficial as opposed to other methods (no doubt tried) through the years, and it was established for a reason. But that reason was not because men needed to control women's craziness. After all, both gender understood their roles then; modern feminism wishes to blur that line.

            It's why female children are bossy cunts, because they naturally are that way. If it came naturally to 90% of men (roughly) who are beta males to dominate women you wouldn't have to come to a fucking internet forum to 'swallow the pill'.

            Are you serious? Boys are bigger dicks. Boys are inattentive, emotionally and psychically aggressive. Bullies are predominantly men. Criminals are predominantly men. Women are the stabilizers of society, they are humanity's mean. The 'bossy cunts' you speak of are girls born with higher production of testosterone. Women are better with words than men by default, and yes that's a dangerous combination (that's why no one like female lawyers, they are the epitome of this).

            Either way, Beta males are still more dominant than women. Have you seen beta men fight each other (example: video game tournaments)? The level of aggression and passion shown in these endeavors are inherently dominant. So if Johnny here is verbally aggressive while on CoD but turns into bitch when talking to a chick, does that suddenly make men less dominant than women? Does that mean Johnny won't be able to open that pickle jar she just doesn't have the strength to open? And does that invalidate the need for this sub to make men realize that the same confidence and passion shown in these others, often less productive endeavors, can be applied towards becoming a man women naturally gravitate towards? I think not.

            There's a reason the biggest transition from swallowing the pill is mental, not physical; it's not about adding dominance that is not naturally there, it's about re-purposing the latent one.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

            Women are indeed the gatekeepers of sex, but they relinquish this power ONLY to a strong man.

            Right, but they don't stop being gatekeepers because they've let you past. They don't concede their post to you. If you can pay the toll they'll let you through, if you're no longer able to pay the toll they'll tell you to get lost.

            Just because you're submissive doesn't mean you don't have cards on the table to play with.

            Yes, absolutely. This is key. You can't be her doormat, you have to tow the line between dominant and submission as best as possible so that she is feigning submission as much as possible. This is key to any successful relationship. However, don't let this feigned submission trick you into thinking that the dynamic has switched, the dynamic cannot switch in any health relationship, she always has overall power over you, you can only just play your cards as best as you can.

            Either way, you seem to forget a very simple TRP fact: every woman wants (and stays with) a strong man. If you disagree with this, then you may be in the wrong sub. If you agree with this, then that invalidates this paragraph.

            An army general wants strong men in his army but does he want them to submit to him? Uh, you fucking bet he does. Women want the highest value man that they can get, but they want to have power over him. Think about it, they don't want him to have power over her, that's highly disadvantageous to her. She knows that it's his imperative to fuck as many women as possible so she knows that it's in her interest to lock him down. Being naturally submissive and doing what he wants is terrible for her. Having a strong man who will serve her? That's what she wants.

            This sounds like anger phase to me.

            No, not at all. I love women, I just have despicable things to say about them.

            Have you never been 'loved' by a woman?

            No, and neither has anyone, because women don't love. Women 'love' people in the way that they love chocolate.

            I had a plate beg me and kiss my feet because I decided to break things off (precisely because she was getting stalker-ish). It's a stark contrast, isn't? I have seen women do things for Alpha men that can only be compared by the most Beta men. Women do not have an ulterior motive if they are attracted to you, their actions are emotionally driven. Emotions you help evoke (or not).

            You think so huh? Haha. If you're high value enough she'll spread her asshole wide open for you and do all these things to try and make you stay but that certainly doesn't mean she's fallen in love with your big dick. Alpha/beta has nothing to do with SMV. Women would do pretty much anything to get some Chris Pratt or Johnny Depp in them and both of those guys are quintessential betas.

            Your implication that gender roles do not exist is absurd. It's the equivalent of saying if you are the commander in chief, why do you need need to follow the orders from secret service chief. The reason is because each person has a role, and the fulfillment of each role complements the other. A woman's feminine devotion to her man is the ultimate aphrodisiac to a powerful man that supports and protects her.

            Err, made no such implication whatsoever. Of course I think gender roles exist, I just disagree with what TRP thinks they are.

            The reason is because each person has a role, and the fulfillment of each role complements the other. A woman's feminine devotion to her man is the ultimate aphrodisiac to a powerful man that supports and protects her.

            Yes, exactly, and look how good she is at convincing her man that he owns her... It makes him stick around for as long as she feels she is gaining but that doesn't mean she's inherently submissive at all and the only reason to think so is fantasy. It's a nice idea that men are dominant and women are submissive but reality is a little more complicated than that.

            This is just completely wrong. Women are not the dominant sex. It's a well known scientific fact. Testosterone plays a key role in increasing dominance and aggression in men. There's a reason we have evolved to be taller, stronger and faster than women: we produce A LOT more of it. We needed to hunt, women needed to gather.

            Compare gay domestic violence rates with lesbian domestic violence rates. See, women have less testosterone but their personality drives them to dominate. There are certainly correlations to be made, but testosterone is not an indicator of a dominant personality. Some of the gentlest men in the world have absolutely sky high testosterone, and some of the nastiest, most ruthless assholes have quite low testosterone.

            And if you suggest that the very act of hunting is supplicating to the female species then that's even crazier.

            Again, when have the servants ever been the dominant ones in any relationship? You're a very good servant, a very tough servant, but you're still a servant and you can't get around that.

            Such a suggestion makes interpersonal relationships purely transactional, and we know humans are social apes. Men are not devoid of emotions, and we were certainly not out of rational thought to not understand that the hunt was just as much for us and and our mate(s) as it was for the offspring.

            Our emotions only exist because they make babies. We want to please women and make them happy so that they'll fuck us because we crave female validation, and providing value to the woman gets you that. Such behavior has the effect of producing babies. Evolution... ta da.

            Modern feminism is a social anomaly that's product of women's inability to accept their physical inferiority to men.

            So what? Physical superiority has nothing to do with it. Donald Trump is a fat, old guy, doesn't mean he's any less dominant over fit, strong young men.

            Every other area of power NOT controlled by our genetical predisposition for aggression and strength is sought after by women in order to one-up men.

            Sounds very submissive of them. Also, you're going to have to be more specific about what you mean by 'area of power' for men.

            They will fail, because more often than not, these genetic predispositions do lead men to positions of power (regardless of physicality). When you are confronted with this, it seems inevitable to establish the status quo through social machinations. In other words, it's not that men are better than women. It's that women don't seem to like what they are better at.

            Fail? Women are running the show. Everything is tilted in their favor and continues to move further towards them and you think they're failing? Women don't need to be the actors, they just need to have the power, which they certainly do. They managed to completely flip the tables on men in less than 100 years and you think that they're failing? Obviously not...

            Wrong yet again. Patriarchy existed because men hunted, and women gathered. Simple. If you believe in evolution, then I recommend reading The Red Queen by Matt Ridley. Just ask yourself this: why two genders? Why didn't we evolve to just be hermaphrodites? Or better yet, why the need of a penis ejaculating into a vagina? Wouldn't it be easier to just have females replicate her eggs like other species do? The truth is, natural selection made men stronger for a reason (too long for this post) and that reason led to men being stronger and therefore better suited to hunt. Hunting was a high risk and high reward position.

            That changes nothing about my argument. Men having penises, and hunting and doing all this macho stuff doesn't counter what I'm saying. Women act through deception, and the big lie is that they're wonderful, naturally submissive angels, and so the big, strong man ends up serving her. You're looking only at the surface and if you only look at the surface you're going to be deceived, simple.

            So patriarchy was an indirect result of evolution that proved beneficial as opposed to other methods (no doubt tried) through the years, and it was established for a reason.

            Yes, of course, because society is a mess when women have sexual freedom. No civilization would have survived without patriarchy but once you do actually liberate men and women from imposed gender roles it becomes obvious what the real dynamic actually is (well, to more perceptive people anyway).

            Are you serious? Boys are bigger dicks. Boys are inattentive, emotionally and psychically aggressive. Bullies are predominantly men. Criminals are predominantly men.

            Boys are generally more rowdy and mischievous but only a small minority of men (alphas or type A personalities) are actually naturally dominant. This is why I said earlier that men are generally the submissive sex, because type As are a minority. If you look at boys raised in a healthy environment you'll find that most of them are actually very submissive.

            The 'bossy cunts' you speak of are girls born with higher production of testosterone.

            Whaaat? No, not even remotely true. Women have negligible levels of testosterone. Even naturally very low testosterone men have significantly more testosterone than women with naturally high testosterone. It's their personality, their hard-wiring, that makes them bossy cunts. If you watch little boys and girls play you'll find that girls almost always boss boys around. They often learn not to behave in this way because they understand that it has negative repercussions and that feigning submissiveness is beneficial for them but they aren't naturally submissive. Look at every woman who 'don't need no man' and tell me how submissive they are. They aren't submissive, they're just too dumb to realize that they should at least pretend not to be.

            cont.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Either way, Beta males are still more dominant than women. Have you seen beta men fight each other (example: video game tournaments)? The level of aggression and passion shown in these endeavors are inherently dominant. So if Johnny here is verbally aggressive while on CoD but turns into bitch when talking to a chick, does that suddenly make men less dominant than women?

            There are championship level MMA fighters who are beta males. Testosterone is not the factor, it's about personality. And yes, being competitive with men doesn't make them any less submissive to the women.

            And does that invalidate the need for this sub to make men realize that the same confidence and passion shown in these others, often less productive endeavors, can be applied towards becoming a man women naturally gravitate towards? I think not.

            Nope, but this sub isn't really about becoming dominant over women, it's about becoming more attractive to women. It's about being more dominant over other men. No one here seems to understand this though.

            There's a reason the biggest transition from swallowing the pill is mental, not physical; it's not about adding dominance that is not naturally there, it's about re-purposing the latent one.

            I'd argue that barely anyone here genuinely understands sexual dynamics, but whatever.

            One more thing before I click save. Yes, men are generally submissive but alphas aren't. Alpha and beta (or type A and type B) has nothing to do with SMV, they're personality types. Alphas struggle to maintain relationships because their personality is at odds with the female's, because they're both dominant. Ultimately, women may find this sexually arousing but it isn't conducive to a healthy relationship. This is where AF/BB comes from, but TRP doesn't understand that very attractive betas are still very attractive to women, even from a sexual standpoint because men take the dominant role in sex, whether they're alpha or beta. Women aren't disgusted by betas, they're disgusted by anyone who is offering them something that they don't want.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            You discount social conditioning. It DOES come naturally to men but not when they are raised in schools with "inside voices" and taught to worship women and where "rape culture" is a constant buzz word. What is natural is carefully and skillfully trained out of most boys by age 8.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Nu uh. Social conditioning is teaching women to act submissively. You know, 'don't fart, don't burp, don't nag, don't be bossy etc'. These are all things that women do naturally.

            Sure, to an extent men are taught to not act as men, but they're generally still instinctively submissive. Boys aren't really tricked into behaving nicely, they're mostly brutalized into it. They behave well out of fear of repercussion, which is natural for boys.

            [–]WarmApfelPi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Dollar short and a day late, but my senses always tingle at some cold hard truth. This is raw, no feel-good-bullshit right here.

            [–]jnsu_ 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            would like to see an actual response from this rather than downvotes.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I responded to a big reply to my comment which might interest you.

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            Feel free to argue or question any points I make.

            [–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            it lost it's fun pretty quickly though. like she's just a hole to dump a nut into, that's neither fun nor a conquest, it's just a waste of energy at that point.

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