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An Experiment at a Diner (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Saintmyname

I have a friend. He makes more money than I. He drives a nicer vehicle. He is ugly. We did a little social experiment. We went to a diner and mocked the same female staff.

It went like this: at separate times we ordered breakfast. We waited until breakfast was served and the girls were behind the counter gossipping. We both said the same sentence: You bitches need to chill.

When he said it, they attacked him verbally. Told him that talk was not allowed and that he should leave.

When I said it, twenty minutes later, they laughed it off and one by one introduced themselves. One even apologized for her behavior. They weren't even doing anything wrong!

The only difference here was physical attraction. I never knew it before I found you guys but you're right: a creep is just an unattractive man hitting on women. An attractive man doing the same is welcomed. There is no logic to their morality.


[–][deleted] 242 points243 points  (15 children)

If you ever read a woman-written list of how to show her you're interested and compare it to one about how to (not) be creepy, you'll find they are mostly the same.

To be fair, we're the same way. A random hot chick coming up behind you and whispering "I want you inside me" would be effective for most guys. If a landwhale did the same thing you'd run out of fear she was about to eat you.

The difference, as usual, is society has decided it's just fine for women to shame unattractive men but men who do the same to unattractive women are literally Hitler.

[–]Swelfie 101 points102 points  (4 children)

It's acceptable because shaming is a shit test. Men are valued on their dominant characteristics. If you get taken down a notch by shaming, then you are placing yourself in the invisible class. If you lock eyes with her, stare her down, laugh at her attempt and then start treating her like a naughty flirt, you place yourself into the top 20%. Perfectly acceptable.

It is not acceptable for a man to test a woman that way. Women are not valued based on their dominance. To shit test a submissive woman who is a complete stranger is just being a bully. It indicates extreme insecurity on the part of the man, and places you in the invisible class also, except you are a member of the invisible class who doesn't know your place, which makes you a "creep" and "dangerous" because if I grab her and toss her on the bed she's going to have an orgasmic time, but if one of the invisible classes does it then it's rape and the fear is that if you don't know your place you might start acting like I am allowed to act, and that's fucking dangerous.

You don't shame or "neg hit" or whatever you want to call it until you are given sass or a shit test or whatever. That's an invitation. If you can't read the signals and shame preemptively, or come on too strongly, then she sees that you don't speak power talk and she gets scared. It's not some arbitrary decision society made up. It's necessary because low value horny males no one wants that have no social skills and high test are fucking dangerous.

[–]cra1 17 points18 points  (0 children)

See folks? No need to get all butthurt and start talking about "morality" when the answer is right here.

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[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Maybe I can't speak for most guys but I'm not flattered when a fugly whale tries to hit on me, I'm disgusted. I've just trained myself not to show it because that's social suicide.

This is even a fairly common sitcom trope. Guy gets set up with unappealing girl and has to try to hide his discomfort all episode long.

The only real difference is a reasonable one, and that is women react more defensively than men because men aren't really worried about the fugly girl causing you actual harm.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's only because you're not really worried about her being a crazy rapist. Let's be honest here, if you're enough of a stud that a woman would want to rape you, she'd have an incredibly difficult time actually doing it.

In other words, even in the age of firearms we still judge how dangerous someone is by their physical stature. A man generally isn't worried about a rejected woman getting violent.

I don't remember the comedian but he was talking about how men always have the crazy ex while women tend not to. His reason was that "if your boyfriend be crazy, you gon' die".

[–]Fatboy214 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The worst is when you try to be nice and not just straight up hurt the fugly girls feelings and she just keeps trying to hook up. Sometimes i become insulted by the whole thing but then i remember that there are lots of decent looking guys that will date land whales and so they probably think they have a chance.

[–]icecow 4 points5 points  (2 children)

If you ever read a woman-written list of how to show her you're interested and compare it to one about how to (not) be creepy, you'll find they are mostly the same.

Can you give some examples? You're (not) in parentheses threw me too.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

He means that if you look at a woman's list of how to show interest in her(like walking up to her and making a joke/teasing) is the same as her list of what she finds creepy(crawl up to her and insulting her). The only difference is attraction, it was always confusing to me as a kid watching women laugh and respond positively to attractive men then have a completely straight face to the exact same behaviour to unattractive men.

[–]trpthroway123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Real life example: Met a friend's new girl, I asked "well how did you guys meet?" She said "I was getting dinner, he just came up to me and my friend, sat down at the table, asked what we were doing tonight, invited me to a party, and asked for my number".

Can you imagine some ugly guy going up to a table with two random pretty girls and sitting down? Creep-o-meter off the charts.

"No touching" is a big one. When there's attraction, touching (kino) is expected and welcome. When there's no attraction, it's creepy as fuck and leaves them recoiling in horror.

Making sexual comments/innuendo is another. It's creepy to have someone you're not attracted to make sexual remarks. It's a panty soaker to have the person you're attracted to hint at sex with you.

[–]needsomehelp3211 74 points75 points  (12 children)

It's not just women. Everyone is genetically programmed to treat attractive people better and to be friendlier, kinder, etc to them. Newborn babies prefer to gaze at attractive faces.

This is the real Red Pill - that humans are just instinctual animals like anything else. And morality and all that crap goes down the drain when a hot person walks into the room.

If you are an ugly man, you have a built in genetic disadvantage. You will always play second baseman to the hunky 6'0" swarthy Latin guy with the chiseled jaw. There are ways to make the playing field less skewed, but it requires a ton of energy. You have to work out like a demon, be very wealthy, constantly keep up with latest masculine fashion, have the confidence of Genghis Khan, etc. And it is honestly exhausting to have to be fucking on point with every facet of your existence just to compete with the dude who is already at that level by just rolling out of bed and lifting a bit.

At a certain point for ugly men, MGTOW might be a good option. You may call that giving up, I call it cost-benefit analysis.

[–]teamjkforawhile 18 points19 points  (2 children)

" Newborn babies prefer to gaze at attractive faces."

I love these "hate facts"

[–]ScarletNumbers 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Second fiddle, not second baseman

[–]Eyeswears 4 points5 points  (1 child)

There are some days when I do ask myself what the fuck all of this is even for when we have a universe of pleasure available at our fingertips 24/7. Why do I bother meditating, lifting, and dieting when I could just watch porn, masturbate, drink, get high, and play video games all day?

Sometimes I think it's us who are the fucking cowards, and the "losers" who are the brave and smart ones. They've learned to let go, but none of us have the balls to. I always respected the nerds who could confront a competitor at a casual MTG match with absolutely ZERO social grace when they forget the creature's ability requires a single mana in addition to a tap. I could never do that because I have always retained the desire to have at least a remote possibility of being socially desirable enough to plate a hot chick.

Those nerds have made a 100% commitment to their mentality and will probably be 200% more authentic on a daily basis than I ever will in a lifetime.

Last time I tried to watch porn it was a hot japanese chick. Gorgeous, cute, with perky tits, lingerie, and a lean body. I couldn't finish myself or the video because I kept telling myself that PMO would keep from banging a chick like that in real life. But why bother? I already had her on my computer screen! I had a shit night, and just wanted to get the rush of planting my seed in a woman of that quality so I could go to sleep pleased and sedated.

I've never actually given up on my goals, but I can't help but ask myself these questions when I sit down to read Guns, Germs, and Steel when I could just log into my computer and play a match of Overwatch.

[–]shouldofjust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Neither one is objectively better. It's all choices

[–]Rathadin 3 points4 points  (2 children)

There's an excellent book called Survival of the Prettiest that you should read.

Also, if you become "wealthy", get plastic surgery. The horror stories you hear about are from people going to the wrong doctors.

[–]Eyeswears 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not before you get your body fat low enough to see your abs, though. The "face gains" some people get from dieting and working out sometimes are absolutely jaw-dropping (pun intended).

[–]shouldofjust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

6 foot 1 moderately built Latin looking guy here. It's very possible to fuck up even when you have good looks and I do get harsh rejections now and then. If you don't have the genetics, do what you can (lift, dress well, eat good shit) then move on... confidence is much more important. Read some sports psychology books to help with that bit

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An attractive person that's 'on points' unstoppable; ask me how I know.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 32 points33 points  (8 children)

This is the very tip of the iceberg. Im friends with a couple of group fitness instructors and the combination of looks charisma and social standing floods them with female attention.

If you check enough boxes women will do anything to get your semen. Women have no shame. Their not afraid of coming off as creepy. You should see some of the things these women text.

Attractive men live in a different world.

[–]VTMSCHVSVCTRY 5 points5 points [recovered]

One again GLO spits the ugly, uncomfortable truth.

[–]Eyeswears 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a deeply pleasing truth if I ever heard one.

[–]jazerac 1 point2 points  (4 children)

What would you say the top 5 check boxes are?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Attractive, In Shape, Confident, Social Proof, Leader

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Another case of, "Be attractive, don't be unattractive."

[–]SYL3NZR 100 points101 points  (47 children)

Just make sure you don't mention that in public spaces or social media or you'll get crucified, also did your friend make "effort" to show he is rich?

if you both wear "normal boring clothes" and you are physically more attractive obviously they choose you, the real experiment would have been if they had to choose between rich OR sexy, you dressing "down" and he massively dressing up

[–]Saintmyname[S] 45 points46 points  (46 children)

True dat. I ain't putting a thing on social media.

We both wore shorts and T Shirts (Florida) but parked where they could see us. He parked a Lexus. I parked a Jeep.

[–]aanarchist 40 points41 points  (21 children)

there's been some videos done of that where they have a guy dressed up like a hipster ask a girl out and she'd scoff at him. then later a handsome guy in a suit in a fancy car would hit on her and she'd be all happy and shit. when the hipster guy comes back the guy in the suit is like hello sir i brought your car like you asked, acting like he was his boss. the hipster guy then made his way towards the car and the guy in the suit went back to talking to the girl. she brushed him off and made a beeline towards the hipster and was like oh hi, i'll take you up on your offer from before. the guy was like fuck off i don't date gold diggers.

[–]grewapair 46 points47 points  (19 children)

I have a high income and started showing it off. It does bring you women, but the women don't like you, they like your money. There's such a huge difference, it's not worth it.

You just get a very pretty, but mean manipulative bitch who holds her nose and dates you. Worse than being alone, in my opinion.

[–]aanarchist 19 points20 points  (16 children)

that's why you hold your ears, give it the d, and send it on its way when you're done. not for me personally but some guys a pretty face is enough.

[–]Swelfie 24 points25 points  (11 children)

I live a pretty frugal lifestyle but sometimes the gold diggers sniff me out. Hell, sometimes I plate them even if I can keep them in line. Almost universally though, gold diggers are a royal pain in the ass. You get women by being a man and being dominant, then they respect and love you. If you get them by having money then they really aren't worth it. There is no respect there for you as a person. They don't want your dick, they just want your wallet and it shows. Conversation is like talking to a brick wall until they can interject about the great purse they saw.

In my opinion, don't show bling and never share financial information. You might attract some women with your cash, but you don't want those women. Hookers have more personality (at least there is an element of trepidation in that relationship rather than just entitlement). If a woman just wants your money then you are a beta in her mind and she can't help but treat you accordingly. And if you are jealous of guys who get women by having cash, then stop. Those men are betas and you are aspiring to be a beta.

On the other hand, dress and act well. Study JFK for examples. It's not rich, it's upper social class. You open the doors for an entirely different brand of woman that way.

[–]aanarchist 6 points7 points  (10 children)

my feelings hurt when i'm having a nice conversation with a girl i meet and she asks me about my job car living arrangements. i ask her about like art and music, while she's zeroing in on the dollar sign. and they call us shallow heh.

i've been thinking that if i make it past my 30s with no unicorn, once my income is in order and i have solid disposable income, i should give up on women in general and find me some prostitutes who are paid to indulge me in whatever way i wish. i've heard from several guys that they've had great experiences. even on here a while ago i saw some guy talking about how he's a fat goober who had never touched a woman before and spending a few weekends in some Mexican brothel was one of the best experiences of his life and how they treated him awesome. i was like daayuuum.

[–]Swelfie 16 points17 points  (7 children)

That's just sex though. And yeah, if you aren't confident then that is a powerful fantasy. If you really want to get it out of your system, then go down to Mexico with a couple grand saved up and spend a week fucking beautiful women three at a time and having them suck you flacid cock in between sessions. The fact that you are fantasizing about it though and actually viewing it as a potential life plan means you don't have abundance mentality. I see the option of a Mexican brothel as similar to a crazy drinking weekend. Sure, it could be fun, but lifestyle and center my life plans around it? Hell no! If alcohol becomes that important to me then it's a serious character problem on my part. The reason alcohol isn't that important is because I can go down and get a bottle right now if I want. I don't have to center my future plans around how to get access to whisky; I know whisky is always there if I want it. Similarly, I know I can get a blowjob whenever I want so I don't make lifestyle decisions in order to secure future access to blowjobs.

I'm in my 40's. The other day I was talking to a hottie 19 year old college student. Touched her a few times in conversation and she took my dominiant demeanor well. So I made some dumb excuse that I was really enjoying her company but I had to do something at home, did she want to tag along, I might have some wine while I'm there. We chatted a bit and I said that I was kind of tired of talking and went in for the kiss. About 5 hours of bed time later I drove her back to the dorm. I booked a follow up a few days later, bought her dinner and had awesome BJ and finger session. I'm 40. I am not ottermode or bodybuilder. I'm about 19% BF (trying to get it down) and I'm no Richard Gere. I actually don't have time for all the girls in my life in their 20's, and I don't mean land whales. Get your head right and you won't fantasize about brothels.

my feelings hurt when i'm having a nice conversation with a girl i meet and she asks me about my job car living arrangements.

Don't get hurt feelings. She's pegging you as beta and asking the beta qualification questions. Betas are cool... they provide stability. She wants to know how high a quality of a beta you are. Prudent on your part. You feel bad because you not only know you aren't alpha, but you don't even feel like you will pass her beta test!

Stop with the feelings shit. That's what flags you as beta in the first place. A real man does not give a flying fuck what his sex toys think of him. He takes care of his sex toys. He appreciates his sex toys. But he does not receive validation of him being a man from his sex toys. That's fucking backwards. Your feelings are not her problem, and if you make them her problem, bam! Beta. You don't need this nurturing shit from her, she's not your mother. You need someone to make you laugh and swallow your cum. You aren't there to be interviewed, she is. You don't need the job, you have 20 other women you could be fucking other than this one. She needs the job because real men are fucking rare and she actually got the chance to interview with one! You come across like that and her panties are wet long before you get her near the bedroom. If you are sitting there thinking "If I strike out with this one I can always go down to Mexico and get laid if I save up enough money" then OF COURSE she's only interested in your wallet. She can see those thoughts in your mind, man. She's got a million years of evolution in her genes that has trained her to see that the man she is sitting across from is undesirable genetic material who can't get laid unless he paid for it and knows it.

[–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (6 children)

yea but they get boring so fast when i frame it that way. i don't treat disposable toys like they have any value, because they don't. going full dark triad isn't fun because she becomes less than a human. and it becomes funny to see how shit you can treat her and have her ask for more. she stops caring about her own pleasure and happiness and is willing to humiliate herself just for an ounce of approval. it becomes sad and you want nothing to do with her because she becomes annoying. sex with her loses any meaning cuz you can replace her easily with someone who will behave exactly the same way she is. there's just nothing there she's not even a person.

if her genes made her good at choosing desirable males, then civilizations wouldn't collapse every time women gain freedoms, and men wouldn't be paying a bunch of faggy puas learning game, and trp wouldn't exist.

[–]Swelfie 13 points14 points  (5 children)

I'm not talking dark triad. I'm talking about swinging the pendulum to the center. Just because she's your sex doll and you fill her up with cum every time you feel like it and she loves it does not make you evil and self centered or her less human. She LOVES it. She wants to feel full of your cum and have it drip down her thigh while she talks to the neighbor. It reminds her that she is protected and cared for and that a big, strong real man finds her sexy. That's not dehumanizing, that's what "tingles" ARE. On your end, you get someone to entertain you, make you laugh, someone to share stories, tell jokes to, watch movies with, prepare you food or prepare food for... and yes, stick your cock down their throat whenever you feel like it. What you do not get is a surrogate mother. You must be completely confident in your self as far as she sees. You might not have the world figured out completely, but you have a plan, you lift and take care of yourself, you are progressing and you will continue to do so with or without her and if she falls behind and becomes a bitch, that's her problem, she knows you will leave her behind for the next sexy, fun little girl who wants to ride a real man's coat tails.

But when you show her your insecurities, your fears, how you feel unready to face this huge challenge and start needing her emotional support to get through things, that's not a lover you are using her for anymore. That's a mother. Mothers put bandaids on your knee when you fall off the skateboard, not lovers. If you come crying to her because you need a bandaid then she will become your mother. She might even be a really good mother and you might think this is wonderful. But it's not. The sex will dry up, she will lose that happy glow. She will begin to resent you. She will start wanting a lover, not a man child. Because she's still horny, but she's not attracted to children. Eventually she'll find some hot stud who treats her like a lover, or if she gets real desperate some loser who she's willing to take a chance is slightly less of a loser than you, and aways she goes, leaving you abandoned. And that's not her fault, it's yours.

It's yours because you were looking for your worth as a man in the external validation of others. You are a man because you make grand plans, you carry them out, and you take what is rightfully yours and you don't give a shit what anyone thinks about that. You don't let people shame you into compliance and likewise, you don't shame others into compliance (that would be dark triad). That's the attitude you want to have and want to demonstrate.

The reason dark triad can get laid anytime they want is because they have all of the characteristics of a strong man that are missing in the weak men and it throws off the girl's spidey senses. She thinks he doesn't give a fuck about others because he's confident in himself and his abilities. What she misses is that he doesn't give a fuck because he doesn't model the brains of others in his mind and lives in a solipsistic universe where he is the only real mind that matters, or worse yet, he's a full on sadist.

[–]Submissively_yours 1 points1 points [recovered]

This one asks potential dates about job/car/living arrangements because it is important for any long-term commitment to not be a complete loser. It can stem more from desire for "status" than from desire to use someone as betabux - and it can be for practicality. I don't want to have to pick them up to go out, and I don't want to try to have sex in their mom's basement because that's where they live. It's also a safety question- if the person lives someplace shady and had no job but a nice car, maybe they are a seedy type/drug dealer, or if they drive a big windowless van, maybe they are a serial killer.

It's not necessarily a "shallow" question, but of course every situation is different- it should be pretty obvious if the wallet is the main focus.

As an aside, though, if you get good enough you can have the "brothel" experience without paying for it.

[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

tell you what, i'll answer all your money questions after you ask me at least as many questions about who i am as a person as i do to you beforehand. it's straight up insulting when i wanna have a conversation and she's zeroing in on the wallet.

i may as well start each conversation asking her about her own financial arrangement, as well as her relationship history and sexual experience, so that just in case she's a broke alpha widowed slut i don't have to worry about dealing with baggage and kids with a criminal for a father.

trp is all about being in the moment and enjoying being around people. if i'm trying to have a good time and i'm being interrogated for dollars, it's pretty clear that she's only talking to me for one reason.

either way watching how her attraction spikes or wanes based on how successful she thinks you are is the ultimate turnoff. what the fuck do i need from some gold digging whore, and why do i need it?

[–]grewapair 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They aren't going to let you until the third date and even then 2/3 are never going to. So out of three women, it takes 9 dates, the first date for each one is an hour, the second two dates for each one are three hours. 7 hours each to find out if they'll sleep with you, 21 hours to sleep with someone who doesn't like you, one time.

Not worth it.

[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

dates are a limiting belief.

[–]rockhardstranger 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Except while you're doing that, she's secretly getting pregnant on purpose so she has you on the hook for at least 18 years.

[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's why we gave her a fake name.

[–]Hoodwink 42 points43 points  (12 children)

Did they actually notice your cars and who got out of which one.

Two bitches talking to each other are in their own world for the most part and would likely miss details.

They might not even notice the Lexus if they're from an upper-middle class background where they always could depend on daddy's money.

[–]trippinallday 46 points47 points  (2 children)

Yeah, Lexus's are expensive but they're pretty low profile. Go rent a McLaren and try again.

[–]AshyBoneVR4 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In all honesty they probably only noticed the cars after you guys interacted with them. Like Hoodwink said, two girls talking are in their own universe. The only time you'd get some girls attention when you're pulling up is if you have a really nice, attention sucking car, it's loud as hell (exhaust note or audio) or if they were looking out the window while not being in conversation. Even then, Depending on the Lexus, how old it is, and where you guys are, they probably wouldn't know it's a Lexus.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children)

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What is this?

[–]Saintmyname[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

They're not. They're 19 year old diner waitresses.

[–]Hoodwink -1 points0 points  (4 children)

The background may not necessarily be their future - especially if they don't want to sacrifice the 'cock carousal' and they may still get emergency cash from Mom and Dad.

[–]Saintmyname[S] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Dude. They're dumbass diner waitresses. They're broke and on drugs. I promise.

[–]Yeahyeahsuresureokay 5 points6 points  (1 child)

My broke on drugs dishwasher drives a Lexus to work. Rich parents.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Was it a waffle house? I live in florida too.

Would be pretty fucking sick if we both ate at waffle house yesterday.

[–]Saintmyname[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Nope. Private place. Only one of its kind in the Tampa Bay area.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lexus is more expensive then a jeep? didnt actually know that :/

[–]menial_optimist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do the same experiment at a different diner, or at the same one when different girls are on shift. This time have your friend dress up in a suit, and place his car keys down on the counter so they notice his Lexus keychain.

[–]GC0W30 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don't forget the Florida State University Medical School window logo....

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn dude, I have a tough time finding a Lexus that's more expensive than a Jeep.

[–]spunk_wizard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know about across the pond, but in the UK Jeeps are far, far more expensive than Lexus

[–]antariusz -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Sorry, but Lexus solidly puts him into ... What, the top 60% of the population. Even old poor single mothers drive rx300 left and right. Had he pulled up in an "actual money" vehicle. A flashy Porsche, a Lamborghini, even corvette/viper/bmw/audi would be slightly better.

But if you're going for status. Lexus IS a fail. especially if you're coming from the Florida coast. Chances are these diner sluts have already fucked a few guys each with audis/bimmers/mustang gt verts.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 30 points31 points  (6 children)

There is no logic to their morality.

Oh but there is. Alpha fucks, beta shaming.

Great experiment... and it's totally true. Tyler did the same thing... beta says "are you a pole dancer?" and gets a "you can't say that" lecture. Tyler walks up and talks in challenging alpha mode... says "are you a pole dancer?" and she bursts out laughing.

He then calls her on it, and she's amazed and confused and then realises the hypocrisy. The context is so different that she reacts differently.

Women aren't complicated once you know the rules.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I was reminded of that video also. Alphas can talk sexual and it will often turn a girl on. Betas that talked sexual are shamed and told they aren't allowed to act that way. Its like a gene-pool pecking order

[–]2awalt_cupcake 8 points9 points  (1 child)

and she's amazed and confused and then realises the hypocrisy.

close. she displays amazement at a high status male (her: like me) and feigns confusion to avoid being held accountable for her hypocrisy.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice

[–]frankreyes 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Is it on Youtube? Do you have the link?

Edit: looks like its this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGEO6ig8WsM

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the one.

[–]fur10us_falcon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You realize that ginger fight club rip off stages infields right?

[–]IndyBrodaSolo 36 points37 points  (1 child)

But just the fact that you said it later changes circumstances. It might been just that when it was said second time they understood that it's some kind of joke.

[–]Roshambo_USMC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This. You can't truly draw any meaningful conclusion to this since they were done in the same instance on the same sample. They were primed for the second one and it shouldn't be considered unless they did it on the same variable-type of women and situation, but each man had been the first to say it to them. The results would likely be different depending on who "went first" if you do it to the same exact group 5 minutes later.

[–]LordThunderbolt 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You're such a great friend

[–]lolskaters 25 points26 points  (10 children)

Did you both say it the same way?

The same sentence can have an entirely different meaning if you said it playfully and he said it harshly.

[–]needsomehelp3211 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The thing is, ugliness plays into this factor as well.

If one guy has a mashed-potato looking face and says "you bitches need to chill" while smiling, most likely his smile itself is gonna look asymmetric and creepy. Especially when you take into account his eye shape and a bunch of other stuff.

If a guy with a naturally attractive face says it with the same tone, it'll just seem better to the observer because of how he looks.

Physical features predispose our perception of others, including their intentions. For the same reason if a kitten rubbed up against your leg it'd be cute, but if a cockroach did it the same way you'd probably fucking crush it.

[–]Aweron 11 points12 points  (5 children)

This. Also, did they both say it to the same girls in the same day? If so, who said it first and could that have an effect on the outcome. I'd find it a bit odd if 2 different people said the same exact thing to me (that i don't hear often).

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (2 children)

I have a feeling the whole thing never actually happened...

[–]Saintmyname[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Same day. Same girls. We're both familiar with the place and the waitresses.

[–]Saintmyname[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Don't know. I walked in when he walked out. This was his idea, trying to prove that attractive guys get away with more.

[–]ingenjor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You could surmise, that if his goal was to "prove" rules 1 & 2, his tone could've been purposefully harsher - just to make his point.

[–]DrHawk144 35 points36 points  (0 children)

In other news, water is still wet.

[–]MoneyStatusLooks 9 points9 points [recovered]

If you are look good it doesn't matter what you say. Half the time you will be excused for how you say it too, within reason.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

This right here. Yet people will waste valuable time, money, and ENERGY going out all the time to "learn game". They fail to realize the only game you need is good looks.

[–]TaylorWolf 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Nope nope nope.

Learning game is essential you can be an Adonis and if you can't approach and escalate sexually with women they will think you are not interested and get turned off. Also you can come across as TOO interested and that is also a turn off. An attractive man with no other options signal that there is something wrong with you.

Game is more essential than good looks for sure, but granted good looks gets you a head start.

[–]BrotherBloodAngel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please, if you're in true Adonis shape the women will approach and escalate with you. I've seen it first hand plenty of times with super in shape friends of mine. They can barely contain themselves in public venues where they have to "behave". Let alone a bar. You underestimate tingles and thirsty women. So by being attractive you're already coming from an abundant place since you don't need to work for it as much. Yes, a spergy fit guy will probably get nowhere but if you're in great shape and relatively normal to talk to with SOME sexual energy half the work is done for you already.

[–]Swelfie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True, but most "game" is really made out to be too complicated.

Confidence, eye contact, and forwardness with what you want is pretty much the heart of game. The rest is just social skills which has nothing to do with women per say, but people in general and would place more in the bucket of general attractiveness then "game".

IMHO, the practiced pickup artist style game works for people not because they learned some tricks, but rather because they think those tricks actually work so they have an expectation of success. The girl wasn't into their tricks, she was attracted to the guy who actually believed he could bed her. It's Dumbo's magic feather.

[–]RedPillFreedom 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Short, Sweet and Simple.

We should have more posts like this.

[–]diablo_fuentes 11 points12 points  (1 child)

An attractive man can be creepy, according to the beta orbiter of the girl he hit on. The girl herself will never call him a creep

[–]Tman5691 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah, if the attractive man is overwhelmingly clingy, loses frame all the time, etc...then the negative traits overwhelm the attractiveness. Bit like a smoking hot 10/10 with the ridiculously bad personality and the strong fishy smell.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 5 points6 points  (17 children)

How 'ugly' is he. Is he fat/trim/greasy/bad hair? Did he make any effort in appearance.

[–]Saintmyname[S] 7 points8 points  (16 children)

Not very. Just balding and a little out of shape. He made as much effort as I did, which is to say he showered that morning.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 5 points6 points  (11 children)

Sounds like me haha. Do you think if he was oozing confidence and IDGAF he would have gotten away with it? What was the difference in tone between you two?

[–]Saintmyname[S] 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Never really thought about it. He's pretty witty I guess. Neither of us are baritones. He does not exude any kind of physical confidence and it's weird because he can fix anything, even those computers in cars, and he's way smarter than I. I can't even drive a manual automobile. But I wasn't there when he tried. This was self reported. But usually he comes off pretty weak looking .

[–]1empatheticapathetic 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Yeah. I work in retail and am generally seen as low SMV for my town (long hair, racist town, I'm not white). But since learning on here about body language, eye contact and most importantly frame, I've learned to command respect from people I deal with daily, if I put the effort in to maintain this 'alpha frame'.

Literally 10 minutes ago a woman just came in complaining about a product and how it's her third time this month she's brought something back. I just laughed, had strong and relaxed body language and refused to enter her frame by validating her concerns. I just disregarded her complaints and offered a standard exchange. Told her where to get the product herself. She came back with two different ones, told her which one it was and she offered to put the first one back herself. It was crazy because I don't understand why she would go from one extreme to the other so easily, simply because I have an IDGAF frame.

And by tone I mean confidence and frame. Not literal voice tone, but that does help.

[–]LarParWar -5 points-4 points  (8 children)

racist town, I'm not white

They just don't want you there.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (7 children)

I know. I probably wouldn't be on TRP if I had grown up in a normal place.

[–]FloridaNSUplz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I guess the better question is, how handsome are you OP?

It's hard to define ugly and handsome/hot, etc.

[–]Saintmyname[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm not six feet but I'm well built, full head of hair, semetrical face etc. I sometimes bang sluts who bang movie stars and athletes but usually wind up with bartenders.

[–]eccentricrealist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The way you put it, sounds like a George Constanza with a little more money. I don't think most girls would tolerate that language from someone who looks like him. Hell, if they date him it would be at most a sort of sugar daddy thing, unless he has an iron frame, but that would go way beyond first impressions.

[–]Saintmyname[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If Costanza were three inches taller and skinny, that's pretty much him. Even got that dark streak he can't hide.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't particularly agree with what OP and some others are saying. I could imagine that OP would have higher levels of testosterone + confidence which translates to decisiveness and a voice/vibe of authority and control of oneself. Plus I imagine hearing the same thing for the 2nd time that day would have loosened them up a little bit and it becomes a little more acceptable within the waitresses mind. Finally, women aren't listening to what you're actually saying but rather the tonality and feeling your conveying.

[–]Rhythmic 3 points4 points  (2 children)

We both said the same sentence: You bitches need to chill.

How about body language and voice tonality? Saying the same words means always nothing without these taken into account.

[–]Saintmyname[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Like I said, it's self reported. But he usually comes off weak like a beaten wife.

[–]Rathadin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But he usually comes off weak like a beaten wife.

This is what's really holding him back moreso even than looks.

Women can smell a weak man.

[–]anon10500 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You experiment is not conclusive nor scientific:

  • You should try same experiment several times

  • Your should try saying "You bitches need to chill" first and your friend after you

[–]Saintmyname[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah. We'll probably never do this again. We got in an argument whereby he said his lack of looks is holding him back and he wanted to show me through a test. I'm impulsive, he's obsessive so unless he keeps worrying about it and moves to do it again, I'm done.

[–]Ivabighairy1 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Told ya so.

Attractive men DO NOT get charged with sexual harassment.

[–]vagbutters 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Uh, yeah they do-- if you hurt a girl's ego or if they want to claim your status/wealth, rape accusations will come hurling at you no matter how you look, what kind of medical condition you're in, etc.

Welcome to 2016, where women can ravage a man's life and get away with it in the courts.

[–]Ivabighairy1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Slow down Sparky I'm talking about sexual harassment, not rape.

[–]vagbutters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same rule applies, Sparky. Remember that a woman's reputation is all that she has.

[–]disposable_pants 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The only difference here was physical attraction.

As others have pointed out, this is a vast oversimplification. Physical appearance is a huge factor, but it's far from the only influence on those interactions. Delivery (confident and funny vs. flat), timing (you said your line second, it could have been interpreted as making light of the earlier comment), and perceived status/wealth (I doubt waitresses are paying that close of attention to which customer drives which car, especially when the nicer car isn't anything too flashy) are all significant confounding factors.

[–]Stationarity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Creepiness is when you think you're on her level and she doesn't, because they derive their worth based on who wants them. And then this:

http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/adam/20eae0e4bf6ae8d0192b2462066713b2/Guide-to-labeling-men,-according-to-most-women.png

[–]casemodsalt 2 points3 points  (2 children)

This is stupid.

Men will do the same for a woman they want to bang.

No double standard here.

[–]Saintmyname[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not true. I don't take shit from hot chicks.

[–]94709 3 points4 points  (0 children)

what a fucking loser you must be

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

So what can men who aren't incredibly attractive do? Land whales can lose weight... But guys can't change their facial aesthetics, hairline, or weight.

Edit: height, not weight

[–]Saintmyname[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm not incredibly attractive, just attractive. Anyway my buddy once suggested that where girls have a hot to crazy scale, men have an ugly to wealthy scale.

[–]trumpstyle19 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Guys can't change their weight?

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I disagree that you need to be in the top 20% of looks. You can raise your smv through lifting, dressing well, and increasing social standing. You don't need to be 6' tall with a 7" dick. And the way most people dress, act, and get fat, most people could get into the top 20%

It's just that they don't take action.

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You need to read models by Mark Manson. I have made massive improvements in women just by changing my attitude.

[–]d0lphinsex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lift, inner game, get wealthy.

[–]Spartacats 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not really bothered by the shallowness of most woman, just the being so dishonest about it is what bothers me. Say that men are filthy pigs all you want at least they are honest about what they like.

[–]coarseturf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only difference between being creepy and romantic is how attractive the other person finds you!!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gotta love that perspective. When you're ugly it's deemed as a projection of your own self hatred, so you're shamed. When you're attractive it's taken as your observation to their behaviour. Women really are a reflection of their environment.

[–]aazav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lesson one - be attractive.

Don't be unattractive.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Like others have said, body language and tonality may have had a part in it, but that in itself is another problem. Is that what we look for? Idealistic body language, even though we all have different body frames and sizes? That guy isn't holding his shoulders and neck at the proper angle, so that means he isn't confident enough for me. Does no one see how ridiculous that statement is? Yall need to stop watching movies and TV shows that tell you what you are looking for in a person. Just because someone "shows confidence" with their body language doesn't mean that they will be more prepared for any scenario, it's literally how they hold their bodies. Oh but if everyone didn't hold themselves like the superalpha movie actors and actresses we would all look like lil beta's and no one wants that because who is going to lift up those heavy things and put them back down? The horror

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Body language is everything, it's how we communicate with one another subconsciously. It translates into how the actual person behaves. So minor parts of body language (like your example of the shoulders) won't be the deciding factor whether a woman is interested in you or not, but other body language traits can be crucial factors such as eye contact, the position your facing as all this sub-communicates whether you are comfortable in your skin and many other factors.

[–]Krunjar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thats true, you can say what you like with your mouth, but your body language doesn't lie. So no matter how confident you think you are acting, you can't really show confidence unless you actually ARE confident, because your body language will give it away. Also faking body language can look really awkward. Thats why inner game is so important, because its the foundation of your outer game and how genuine it comes across.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i disagree, but everyone else sees this as fact so there is no point in thinking otherwise.

[–]SmilingWatermelon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do more experiments. Try dressing down and him dressing up. Use the same line elsewhere

[–]meh613 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's more to this than meets the eye. Perhaps your friend used a different tone with the ladies or they were in a different state of mind?

[–]AshyBoneVR4 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ladies and gentlemen I give you girl logic.

[–]flatox -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

This is such a shitpost and it seems so fake. Regardless, still shitpost.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

What a stupid post. Everyone does this. When a hot girl and and ugly girl enter a bar the beta's will treat one like a princess and the other invisible, regardless of their attitude. This is simple human nature. Underlying mechanics of female sexual strategy are much more complex and interesting to experiment with. You should know this basic stuff.

[–]Saintmyname[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't let anyone insult me.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"You bitches need to chill". I fell off my chair laughing.