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OP on okcupid subreddit white-knights his "douchebag friends" and tells them to treat their girlfriends better - they respond by asking why he's the only one who's still single. Rekt. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

Summary: You are the prize. Make sure your girlfriend knows that. And don't let yourself be brought down by wimpy betas like the OP of this post - they're just jelly.

Full thread here. Sorry about the imgur, the archive website is down.

You can't make this shit up, folks. Well you can, and initially I thought this was a troll, but the OP has been around for a while so I think it's real:

So I was chatting with two friends. They're both muscle clad bros and they both have gfs. One was telling a story about how he made his girlfriend cry because he left her on a run they were doing together. His argument was that she should "keep up" with him and that he's not going to let her ruin his workout by making him go slower. He told her this and she cried but then later said she was sorry and didn't mean to ruin his workout.

My other friend agreed and said that was "awesome" and they had a good laugh. I told them they were being dicks and that leaving someone like that is a dick move. We got into a bit of a debate about how you should treat women and people that you date. The argument abruptly ended when my one friend said that "If you're right about how to treat people then why are you the only one single?"

I didn't have anything to say. They laughed. I shut up and bottled it up cause I felt there was nothing else I could do. I should probably mention I am not in great shape at all, pretty pudgy though I try to be active and work out but didn't want to say that was the reason. Yes I know my friends are douche bags, that's not why I am posting this.

I know they're not right but they've been with their gfs for over a 1.5 and 2 years respectively. Meanwhile here I am struggling to get a date on OKC. The whole thing left me feeling very bitter and sad.

So basically he's mad that his friends assert themselves and are the leaders of their relationships. Which is what women want, by the way. Women desire to be submissive and to follow an authoritative commander. Of course, feminism tries to deny this biological reality and that's why you get poor beta white knights like OP who have been raised with the whole "treat women respectfully" bullshit.


And speaking of beta mindsets... it gets better. Check out the comments trying to desperately salvage the situation and hamster everything away so they won't have to face the truth:

It's easy to be bitter at douchebags for having girlfriends, but really, a woman who wants to be with a dick who treats her badly isn't really someone who could thrive with a healthy partner. They're usually attracted to bad treatment because they haven't known anything else, and it takes a lot of self-awareness and personal growth to get beyond this. Some people don't ever. Lonely as you may be, you're probably better off being single than dating girls who are attracted to/apologise for Chaddington behaviour.

Let's see. OP is a fat single depressed introvert. OP's friends are confident, physically healthy and have loyal girlfriends who will do anything for them (including in the bedroom). Yep, OP definitely seems like the winner here...

Bernie Madoff made a lot of money by conning people. Does this invalidate the principle that you shouldn't con people? Do you ever feel bitter at criminals who succeed because they lie to employers, threaten friends, etc?

Remember, feminism is all about choice and non-judgmentalness... except when it goes against the bluepill narrative (ie woman staying with a douchebag). Then suddenly the hamsters come out and call it a con. As if these girls aren't willingly staying with the asshole boyfriends.

I think that there are a lot of hurt and confused people out there and they are easy to take advantage of. Those girls, for example. You don't want what your friends have, you want something totally different, and better. Don't compare yourself to them.

Again, pushing the whole "abuser" narrative. These people just cannot fucking comprehend that many women are attracted to dark triad traits. The truth is there, but people prefer to just stick their heads in the sand.

Some redpill points to take away from this thread.

1 - Being assertive in a relationship will make the girl more attracted to you because she wants to serve under a strong captain.

2 - your beta friends will try to throw a tantrum and bring you down, out of jealous. Don't let them. Let it roll off your back like oil on a duck.

TL;DR: OP pitches a fit after seeing his alpha douchebag boyfriends secure the loyalty of women. Commenters try to hamster but the truth is patently obvious - females are drawn to this stuff. It works.


[–]Duchenne4089 160 points161 points  (42 children)

I am not in great shape at all, pretty pudgy

They're both muscle clad bros

Seems like he knows what the problem is, it's just easier to rant on reddit.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 128 points129 points  (18 children)

Actually, he doesn't.

His problem is that he still operates under the assumption that women have some radar regarding moral integrity and would generally give a guy who behaves decently (for their specific definition of "decently") a shot than a guy who is a dick, regardless of looks.

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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It's funny how hard it is for some guys to accept this.

[–]WASPandNOTsorry 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is so fucking true. And I hold myself to the same standards too. I work out 6 days a week despite running my own company which is more stressful than I could have ever imagined. I probably spend half of the year traveling and making deals, I still bring my gym clothes and pay the steep fees to work out once in some downtown gym. I figure out ways to eat healthy despite spending way too much time at airports. Holding yourself to high standards means that you have the right to hold others to the same high standards. Fat chicks need not apply.

[–]whyalwaysm3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah this 100%. It doesn't matter if she is the nicest human being in the world, if she's fat there's no way I'll be in a relationship with her. Same goes for attractive girls with no personality. Sure I'd hit it but no way would I be in a relationship with a girl who is boring and has nothing to say.

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 11 points12 points  (0 children)

So basically, if you slow down for the bitch, and then you tell her, 'you ruined my workout,' she will just be like, "whatever you dealt with it, not my problem." which means, I can do what I like, and you'll let me.

Even if she apologizes, she is doing it from a frame of contempt that she has to apologize to a beta.

Let the bitch cry. She'll come around.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 12 points13 points  (5 children)

I agree the guy actually doesn't know. We are laughing at him but a lot of us thought the same way before we unplugged. There is a reason we use the whole Matrix analogy. It is like waking up in wonderland. This guy genuinely has no idea why his bro's are successful and he is not. He thinks it is because he is pudgy in body- but it is his soft pudgy spirit that is the problem.

[–]Fatboy214 5 points6 points  (4 children)

That's true however I knew something was not right. I actually started developing a rudimentary redpill philosophy before i found TheRedPill. That's what actually led me here. I suspect most of us were like that.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I didn't have a clue. Red Pill totally blindsided me like a brick. I chose that name BPP for a reason. I was completely blown away. This is NOT what they taught me in graduate school.

[–]Fatboy214 0 points1 point  (1 child)

We should make a thread on how every one came here. Like were you just devastated by the truth that you couldn't deny it or had you already been seeing things were fucked up and this philosophy kinda put names to what you inherently saw.

[–]kraken9911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

put me on the list for that. marriage broke apart in November 2010 and I realized my entire life up to that point was textbook blue pill beta. started making huge changes and I discover reddit trp in 2016 and realized I became a solid redpill on my own over the years and now I could put names on everything I had done.

[–]torodinson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same even at my worst I knew Mwalt (most), some of the others here could have been so lucky.

[–]p3n1x 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes I know my friends are douche bags, that's not why I am posting this

He posted to get the highlighted line above validated. Probably looking for a woman to do it too. Instead he gets a beta circle jerk.

[–]Fatboy214 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Send em to me. I will fuck chubby chicks:p

[–]1jb_trp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

God, his post history is pathetic. He needs to find TRP and make some serious changes (both the outer and inner man).

[–]CornyHoosier 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"You're one of those Red Pill sexists."

I love when people on the Internet are so full of themselves that they care what I think they think. My life is great (for me)! I have fun, try not to treat other like shit and have self-confidence bigger than my dick.

The "People of Reddit" can't comprehend that a liberal who actually enjoys the company of women can read the TRP. The next comment is always how I'm not a real liberal. Ha. Uh huh. It just so happens that TRP embraces very fundamental parts of humanity and trivial things like liberal or conservative simply don't matter.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (20 children)

Its not necessary to be a muscle-clad stud to attract a woman. You just have not to be a wussy.

[–]1nzgs 52 points53 points  (12 children)

Ultimately nothing is "necessary", there are ugly pussified guys managing to strike it lucky every now and then. But all these factors add up, and the appearance of physical strength is one of the biggest ways a man can get instant attraction from women since it's so biologically ingrained. Guys who avoid this truth under the belief that women don't really care about physical animalism and are just as attracted to average joes who aren't wussies are short-changing themselves and clinging on to some bluepill ideas.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I remember archwinger had a post that actually most women have a minimum standard for both looks and social status. However, if one tends to be significantly higher than the other the lesser one COULD be overlooked.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's not necessary to work hard, get educated, and be dedicated to your goals if you want to make a million dollars either, you can just play the lottery.

[–]zboo1h 3 points4 points  (3 children)

For me, being a muscle-clad stud is more about getting instant respect from anyone and everyone when I walk in a room. The pussy-wetting aspect of it is just bonus points.

[–]whyalwaysm3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lol its comments like this that make people laugh at this sub. Dude I'm an athlete, I have never once in my life gained "respect" for a dude simply because he had muscles. What a ridiculous thing to say lmao!

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

  1. Get a sense of humour bro.
  2. Respect is a more subtle thing that most people realise

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If appearance was irrelevant guys like Danny Devito would be swimming in pussy

[–]scabbalicious 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I guarantee he's hamstering about being "pretty pudgy" too.

[–]play_time_is_over 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This - behaviour is not so important. Looking good is what matters.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 51 points52 points  (1 child)

It's pretty telling that the girlfriend apologized to her chad boyfriend.

Girls are inherently competitive and the workout was a shit test. If he runs at 50% his usual pace to stay with her she has captured his time and revealed that he values her more than himself and his goal of working out and being fit, getting faster, whatever it is.

Also in the primordial lizard part of her brain she would be intuiting "why is he so slow? why isn't he faster, stronger, more agile than me? if he is as weak as me I am not safe with him." It's a fitness test... literally... on multiple levels.

He passed the shit test and the lizard brain test. He values his time above his bitch. He is stronger, faster, more agile than her. She's the vagina that tries to keep up and, after failing, gets railed hard in later that day because his testosterone is flowing and he gets what he wants, whether it's a good workout or a piece of ass. She apologized because he passed the test and she is making him comfortable and letting him know she will make him comfortable and pacify his ego so he doesn't go searching for more amicable females.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Somewhat related - I was recently at a waterfall park and observed a fit, good looking woman with her pudgy, exhausted boyfriend barely able to keep up. I honestly felt bad for her, how the fuck did she end up in that situation. She looked pissed. Probably fucked Chad that night.

[–]Docbear64 158 points159 points  (4 children)

That has to be the biggest conundrum and one of the strongest male hamsters in our society. I knew so many guys I perceived as assholes just like the OP of the original post who had woman after woman on their arm . They would offer passive advice on women and while my ears heard it my little blue pill heart wanted to drink the kool-aid and believe that I could be some womans delightful servant and she would gladly revere and adore me for it and yet much like the original OP I not only was single , but unhappily single with no understanding of how to build attraction .

The sting of course comes from the very simple observation that if you are the good guy who understands and treats women "the right way" .... how are you the only one unable to attract a woman ? It's a hard solution to resolve without doubling down on your delusions or just trying to wave the thought away . It has to be one of the greatest examples of " feels before reals" in the average feminized male mind of today .

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (1 child)

I'll never forget being in college and having three things happen on the same day:

  1. beta friend lectures me about how to treat women and their families. This is after my answer to the question of "what would you do if you asked a girl's father for his permission to marry his daughter and he said no?" was "ask her anyway, I don't really care what her father thinks."

  2. Same friend bemoans his inability to attract anything better than a 4.

  3. Girl (8ish) in our social group directly asks me to sit near her so that the beta friend can't "squeeze his huge ass in where it's not welcome. " I was pretty dense at the time and didn't realize that this meant she wanted me to make a move, but still hilarious in hindsight.

[–]Wanderbrew 10 points11 points  (0 children)

One of those surreal moments. I just had a similar but different experience in which one if my friends is constantly texting a girl I like, whereas I simply ignored her the last time she texted me. I saw both of them in person the other day, and she was curious trying to find out why I ignored her the other day (she even apologized if it bothered me etc) meanwhile my friend is constantly talking to her. Later that day, those two are hanging out and she starts texting me on HIS phone asking me to please hang out soon. I felt bad flirting with her as she used my friends phone, but I think it's a testament to aloofness and scarcity. Here she is hanging out with someone who likes her, but she's using his phone to try to arrange something with me instead. Felt very surreal.

[–]Elantris89 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Why is "being woman's servant" equal with "being good to others" for you? Is being spineless/dependent or being an asshole the only two options? I am not attracted to any of those things, both suck and are a sign of psychological weakness.

[–]Docbear64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You take it like I am criticizing the woman , notice this is written from MY perspective. my goal was not to be good to another person my goal was to serve another person in the hopes of doing so I would earn her love and / or affection. How could I criticize her? IF a man is willing to throw everything he wants to the side for your happiness how can you be blamed for allowing him to do so ?

Naturally human behavior is a spectrum of behaviors being an asshole and being spineless are in fact two very separate extremes and thankfully you aren't attracted to either but do understand that if human nature is a spectrum then naturally behaviors fall in between those two extremes and me being an imperfect human I have in fact adhered to both and swing to the left or right .

I have learned that honestly women are attracted to me the more aggressive and self-concerned I am . is that because the values taught here are true or just a coincidence? You tell me , but I will say that women have appreciated me more the closer to asshole I swing on the pendulum and to be fair you are just one of millions of women on this planet whether you are attracted to me or not is insignificant .

[–]Moolg86 66 points67 points  (7 children)

skimmed through OP's post history because the narrative is almost too perfect, but lo, and behold; OP is not physically fit, pedastalizes women, and is about as blue as they come. shocker.

I'll give the guy a modicum of credit though, at least he has an inkling of what he needs to do in order to improve his situation, not sure what he's waiting hoping for though.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children)

He's probably hoping for some beauty and the beast happy ending.

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[–]Robert_Walker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yep. There's a reason the beast was a lion rather than a hippo.

[–]arul20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or head to thailand and settle for cheap thai pussy at 50 ..

[–]darkrood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ya, the guy looks like a beast, and build like one.

Scrawny or fat beast that is not intimidating will just be the joke of villager and likely chained as a freak show prop.

[–]WASPandNOTsorry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even with a better body he will still be a loser. He'd be a jacked version of Hodor to women.

[–]p00pey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That sub is a hotter mess than the MGTOW sub. Just a cesspool of self loathing faggots crying about why they can't get dates, or why they go on a date and never get a second, etc.

Secondary to that, a lot of the betas there basically use the sub as a secondary pickup tool. Subtle hitting on the girls there, etc. And of course there are girls there that eat up that attention/validation like no tomorrow. It's like a little desert on top of their Facebook entre.

It's a hot mess, and the less you read anything there, the better off you'll be. I swear 99% of the internet is just an absolute wasteland, present sub included...

[–]FairlyNaive 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Lonely as you may be, you're probably better off being single

Well, they got something right

[–]354999556 20 points20 points [recovered]

Isn't "I try to be active" always the excuse?

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (4 children)

It translates to: I go to the gym once in a blue moon and when I do I have fuckarounditis, when I'm not wasting my time on social media and reddit I eat whatever I feel like. I'm not fat, I'm just pudgy, women like a man who is like a bear not a log hehe!

[–]harsha_hs 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I read somewhere. Women like a man who has belly, so that they can rest on it!

[–]Crusaruis28 2 points3 points  (2 children)

In China that may well be true.

[–]MedayekMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure it means "I read the titles of /r/fitness posts so I can stay fitness savvy."

[–]svogliate 124 points124 points [recovered]

Worth noting that no actual mistreatment of women was described here. A female workout partner was holding back the male partner's workout. He didn't want to compromise his workout - because it's something he does for himself for all sorts of reasons, it's important to him - so he made sure he got the workout he needed.

The crying, the tale-telling, the subsequent butthurt, those are all self-inflicted injuries that happened to others.

Being true to yourself is attractive. Wounding yourself isn't.

[–]massivewang 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Man women are fucking on the regular with this shit, it never ceases to amaze me.

With every girl I've ever dated I've had this go down in some form or an other:

Me: "I am doing and/or need to do thing x at time y. It is important to me. Come join"

Her: "Sure, great!"

Close to the time of the event or on the arrival of the event she is running late, asking me if I really want to go, or is complaining about the fact I want to go.

Bitch I told you what was happening, I invited you, you agreed. Keep your word and be pleasant or GTFO.

They always give me a little shit and try to imply that I'm not treating them well when I call them out. When they see I'm not phased and will gladly leave their asses and stop seeing them if they cause me drama, they apologize and fuck/suck me good later that day.

His friend Chad's fitness time is probably super important to him. He most likely invited her and told her the expectations up front. She accepted and when it came down to getting shit done, she balked and wanted to play the victim, instead of owning up to the fact that she dropped the ball. Good for Chad to have the balls to stand up for himself and push back.

[–]CasualCocaine 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Classic example of how blue pill brainwashing works. You are brought up the believe that being a nice, manservant loser, is the method for attracting females. Anytime you are confronted with reality a chorus of validation is summoned to remind you that you are on the righteous path. You are stronger than those chads for being their 'moral superior,' and for resisting temptation from 'unworthy females' aka the HB8's that want a leader for their boyfriend.

What a load of shit. No wonder people like this are so miserable. I too was like this for the majority of my life. Its fucking frustrating not understanding why nothing works the right way, when you think you're doing everything right. Its true what they say, the nicest people are often the angriest.

[–]1ToSeeAndToHear 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Hey hey hey, don't liken Blue Pill to Blue Bell. That shit is the best ice cream on the planet, people ate it even when they KNEW it was killing people with listeria.

[–]CasualCocaine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha sorry, stupid autocorrect. I fixed it.

[–]AlerioX 42 points43 points  (9 children)

This post just proves again how much our society is possessed with what Nietzsche called 'slave morality'.
The loser is the saint, the winner is a disgusting cheater.
Therefore we should all be beta losers. Great idea!

[–]NaughtyFred 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not all losers are saints, not all winners are cheaters.

[–]PinkUnicornPrincess 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Very much the narrative in The Fountainhead, but it is more casting light onto how the society works as you indicated above.

[–]asymptotic_salvation[🍰] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

100 pages away from finishing 'Atlas Shrugged', with 'The Fountainhead' waiting on the shelf.
Ayn Rand is absolutely mind-blowing; and her philosophy is as Red as it comes.

[–]2012Aceman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I preferred Atlas Shrugged for the philosophy, but The Fountainhead for the character portrayals. They're both great books, enjoy!

[–]PinkUnicornPrincess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I hear Atlas Shrugged is more of macro and The Fountainhead is a closer look at some of the players.

[–]PinkUnicornPrincess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Atlas Shrugged is next for me. I learned so much whilst reading The Fountainhead. It was a mirror and a teacher and an eye opener and even though some of the ideas were uncomfortable with regards to reflection, I knew these were important to process and understand. Have fun with the read! Maybe I will catch back up after I finish Atlas Shrugged!

[–]whyalwaysm3 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Can you explain a bit more on that Nietzsche "slave morality" please? Sounds very interesting.

[–]AlerioX 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You should read 'On the Genealogy of Morality' from Nietzsche.
He also talks about the wretchedness of compassion and how most philosophers always agreed that compassion is a bad thing.
But like we know (especially here in germany) compassion is the most important thing in our society.
Everybody has to give Teddybears to the muslim migrant men!
That's so compassionate!
Pity is the new foundation of our civilization.
But what they don't get: it makes us incredibly labile.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nature doesn't give a fuck, right?

A society is no different than any other living organism. It's made of smaller living things and performs the same functions. Its made of smaller cells(countries, counties, cities, families), consumes energy, grows, produces waste, reproduces, and eventually dies.

The successful societies will flourish and reproduce, the foolish ones will die and go extinct. Just like all living things.

In a way, it really is God's will. The societies that happen to have the principles closest to truth will be the ones that are "blessed".

[–]WenisOfLore 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The knights are white and full of terrors

[–]joh2141 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My God I've never seen such self delusional bullshit. At least be honest with yourself because at the end of the day you only have to answer to yourself.

I can't believe people excuse that kind of pathetic things about themselves. No one is telling you to beat the living shit out of your girlfriend (not that any of these guys did that). People like the blue-pill OP is talking about seriously never talked to girls longer than 30 seconds.

[–]Themeparkmaker 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I don't think we have to make a distinction between being respectful of women and being a leader in your relationship. Being the leader doesn't necessarily require you to be disrespectful, it just requires you to maintain dominance and to be assertive.

Of course there will be times when those two things conflict, but I feel that if you are able to walk the line and be assertive and respectful then it will benefit you.

Idk, I'm just checking this sub out after some guy on CSGO told me about it

[–]alclarkey 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is the point though, I don't think asking her to keep up is necessarily a douchebag thing to do. It's his workout, and obviously what he is doing is part of what made him attractive to her, if he has to hold back so she can keep up with him he's going to lose that.

[–]Themeparkmaker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with that too, I don't think running ahead was a dick move or even really disrespectful

[–]p3n1x -1 points0 points  (2 children)

disrespectful

I think we can all agree, "subjective" term.

Don't worry about others point of view. In this story, the girl apologizes for her behavior. Respectful behavior is up to the person receiving the behavior. Nobody else.

Your reply says you should read the side bar and get intimate with the journey you are already on.

[–]Themeparkmaker -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I don't particularly want to be one of you if I'm to stop caring about the feelings of others in my decisions

[–]p3n1x -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I never once said for you to not care about others feelings.. I am saying, don't assume you know what someone else feelings are.

Don't worry about others point of view.

I am talking about what Others think of YOU. Not what you think.

[–]MedayekMan 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I think that there are a lot of hurt and confused people out there and they are easy to take advantage of. Those girls, for example. You don't want what your friends have, you want something totally different, and better. Don't compare yourself to them.

I know I go against the Reddit grain for this, but I'm an orthodox Jew. I grew up secular Jewish and became religious later in life which is not as atypical as it sounds. When I lived the bachelor life, I definitely lived it. Okay, disclaimer over.

What is funny to me from this guy's quote is that this is absolutely anti our nature. The tenth commandment, to paraphrase, is "to NOT covet your neighbors things, wife, ox, etc." The reason I point this out is because when the Torah tells us not to do something, it's because we have a nature to do it. We have natures to steal and murder, so that's why they're prohibited, but let's not bog ourselves down with extraneous information. It's natural that I'll be jealous of your car, your hot lady, your house, basically that thing you worked hard for that is better than mine, to me. So, I'm going to presume that this guy isn't thinking biblically when he says "you don't want what your friends have," because I've definitely felt that animalistic nature in me that says, "you're not getting laid and your idiot friend is banging that girl. You need to overpower him and take her for yourself." Obviously we aren't bucks going to crash antlers to establish dominance or or cavemen going to swing clubs at each other; we have enriched ways of doing this nowadays which usually involves showmanship and/or humiliation. It's perfectly valid I'm our nature to feel this drive though we shouldn't harbor or foster this feeling in us.

Now, I'm going to assume this guy isn't writing this from a religious perspective but the beta one where he expects life to be handed to him without exerting the effort. He covets to the worst extent. To covet your neighbors belongings means that you don't just want a wife that matches his, you want HIS wife and you'll probably murder, steal, lie , or adulterize your way to get it (the previous 4 before covet). You don't want your own classic Porsche 911, you want HIS 911.

Stay alpha guys and stay holy. Don't let some beta cuck try to white knight your life. It's literally sin!

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he expects life to be handed to him without exerting the effort.

Ding, Ding, Ding.

The frame of mind that believes, because I think a certain way I deserve specific things / treatment.
Mix in the Male Romantic Fantasy (she will love me for who I think I am, or wish to be)

While pissed off at the world for not understanding, the individual slips into the relationship version of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 7 points8 points  (0 children)

At the end of the day if you are in a relationship you are going to make your girl cry. It's kind of like being a parent. There is no way of being a parent without occasionally making your child cry.

The child is going to want to do stupid things like eat candy all day while war hing television. It's your job to tell the child no for the child's longterm benefit, since the child is incapable of comprehending the longterm.

When women aren't lead they become bitter spinsters, obease lesbians and out of control nagging wives. The most pleasant older women had men leading them throughout their lives.

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[–]guhajin 6 points7 points  (2 children)

If I go run with somebody who's not that fast, I'll just tell them, "Hey, I'm feeling good and want to speed up. Let's just meet back here at this time." They say, "Yeah, sure." No drama involved. It's not like the only options are either being some sniveling BP whiner or being a douchebag and abandoning somebody.

[–]p3n1x 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Consider the source of the story. The story was not told by the "alphas" , but by the proven beta.

[–]CornyHoosier 0 points1 point  (0 children)

YES!

This exact scenario was what was running through my head when I heard that. I think OP was just shinning up the story to make the guys sound worse.

[–]uniquevoid 16 points17 points  (9 children)

Implying your alpha status is determined by the looks of your gf and your job, lol

the RP/BP spectrum is something internal, not external

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[–]uniquevoid 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I didnt say having alpha traits is just a matter of attitude, I said these traits are internal, not external. The job you have or the looks of your wife mean nothing

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Leaders of the society are rarely found behind cashier desks and in warehouses. Attractive women are often found with successful men. "Alphaness" is not determined by the looks and the job, but they are often a rather useful indicator.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Attractive women

Waaaay too subjective. Attractive how? Physically? We can roll back on 200 years of U.S. presidential wives for this line of BS

[–]The_Red_Paw 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm afraid you are mistaken. I'm 6'2" and well built. In my 20's I was bluepill posterboy. In my late twenties all I did was wonder why I couldn't find a girl. In my 30's I learned to act the Alpha.

Sure, it felt like an act. But people responded appropriately and treated me as the Alpha.

I did not become taller or more muscular. All I changed was my behavior, and suddenly everyone else who dealt with me changed theirs to fit mine.

Being Alpha is 100% attitude. Churchill was only 5'6". Putin is only 5'7".

[–]joh2141 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Just because you're alpha doesn't mean you're going to be rich. You can be alpha and live in the slums. You would honestly say the man who is wealthy and buys a trophy wife ends up being the real beta who doesn't even get to fuck his wife while she bangs other dudes younger at times.

[–]marplaneit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are Alpha long enough, It will and it HAS to show external symptoms.

If you are "alpha" with a minimum wage, a fat ass GF, and smoking weed and play games all day, then you are not an alpha

[–]psycho-logical 20 points21 points  (15 children)

Agreed about the running thing. I would run ahead and then run back. Sounds like he made a competition out of something where he is already superior.

[–]RedMoonAscendant 9 points10 points  (1 child)

So much this. Anytime I'm doing anything with a girl I handicap myself. Playing pool? Any ball of hers she sinks she gets another turn, even if she hit the wrong pocket or sunk my ball.

Climbing? She rests 3x the same route I climb, and I still congratulate her for doing the same route I did.

Running? I run ahead a block, then back a block, then ahead again.

Don't get me wrong, these guys are on the right end of the spectrum, and lard-ass is on the wrong end of the spectrum, but the gym bros went too far into asshole realm. That's fine for a plate or STR, but for LTR or wife you need to maintain frame and provide comfort.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A proper LTR or Wife would know better than to inject herself into situations where she knows she is not wanted.

[–]hunter2hunter 13 points14 points  (10 children)

I agree. A lot of people seem to mistake being a blatant asshole with being assertive.

[–]1WeedDaddy 36 points37 points  (3 children)

It works on women. Conversely, women often mistake fairness for weakness.

[–]progggrammerr99 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What i would have done if she was trailing me, i would have literally run circles arpund her and neg her about how much slower she is, just because you dont run ahead doesnt mean you have to be all like " oh okay sweetie ill run slower for you"

Edit i meant to respo d to the guy above, but relevant anyways

[–]darkrood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great idea.

Almost comical.

You also do more for your exercise in the end

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who knew? Men and women are both prone to stupidity and don't know what they really want and are bad at judging other people. Fuck those people, you do not need to accept anybody's poor judgement just to get a lay or keep a girl. You are better than that.

[–]LukesLikeIt 16 points17 points  (4 children)

If she asked to join him then he has no obligation to wait unless he asked her to come.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women think they can "share" in everything their man does. You can't "talk" her out of that. Humans are humans and sometimes learning the hard way is an absolute necessity.

[–]tabber87 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Uh duh, did you not read the post? They're complete assholes which means they're basically like level 50 Dark Triads™. I don't know how you got through this without beating off fantasizing about their alphaness.

[–]logicalthinker1 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Fucking thank you. Uninsightful red pillers think being a douche = being a leader. Of course, given the choice between a douche bag and a placating, submissive beta she will choose the douche. That doesn't mean she likes douche bags. It's just that compared to beta faggots, they are more desirable. What she really wants is the benevolent alpha. The strong leader who isn't a piece of crap.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I looked at your history confident I could report you as I was convinced you were a bloop troll based on this comment. Of course I see you are instead an "insightful" red pill type. lol

That doesn't mean she likes douche bags. It's just that compared to beta faggots, they are more desirable. What she really wants is the benevolent alpha.

What she really wants is a CAPTAIN. Athol Kay and me(!) wrote about this dynamic in Married Man's Sex Life Primer and Saving a low sex marriage: A man's guide to dread, seduction, and the long game

Think Captain/First Officer and Captain Picard and Commander Riker.

[–]logicalthinker1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You had a problem with what I wrote so you were gonna report me? You're living up to your name huh?

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I had a suspected problem with somebody I thought was a bloop troll based on a single phrase and this inspired me to check your history. I saw immediately you were not a bloop troll.

Playing wack-a-mole with The Blue Pill is what red pill forum mods do most of the time.

As they have said many times, it is helpful to the mods if more people would go through suspect users history and report the Blue Pill trolls who are posting nonsense bashing TRP-ers based on SJW concepts. The trick is are they bashing based on SJW concepts or are they bashing because they are more enlightened than the typical TRP-er? You find that by reviewing the users other posts and making a judgement call.

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Personally I wouldn't invite my GF (or anyone) if I wanted to set a new PR for time. If she really wanted to come with me though, why not run ahead? She knew you're trying to make new record for yourself.

My guess is OP's girlfriends stay with their respective guys because they're good looking, probably good in bed, probably generally do decent in life, and there are no better options available to them. Big deal he made one asshole move. We all do at some point, that's just the way it goes sometimes. Women do this too (shit test).

We've all stayed in a relationship or puppy dogging some chick who friend zoned us just because she's hot after all..

[–]ArkAngelEV 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why do people who can't take advice, always insist on giving it. = )

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Women can be loyal if they choose to be.

However, man is not in control of this. All he can do is be his best self and she MIGHT choose to be loyal to you, and even then.. She can always uncheck that box. If you're coming from a position of abundance though, this won't matter because there will always be other girls..

After all who wants to bang the same girl their whole life anyway?

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Even so, some couples do stay together until they die.

That being said, I'm not the type of one to push for marriage or LTRs either (I'm indifferent on them and have my own perspective).

The whole point in being committed to a woman or be married is to raise a family and carry on your legacy to future generations IMO. Having a woman to nurture your children and partake in duties of parenting makes that a whole lot easier and gives your kids a healthy stable environment to live in, given you're not married to a crazy bitch and you can keep her in line.

Hypergamy to me is just one of the factors that you have to deal with. It's not a black or white thing though, it's a gradient measurement (same with AWALT.. some are more AWALT than others). Sure nearly every girl on the face of the earth would dump your ass to date Tom Brady, but only the top 0.001% of women would even have a shot at even fucking Tom Brady.

It's more about accepting that there are some things that you just cannot control. If a bitch cheats on you, just dump her. Thats the end of the relationship. Worrying about getting cheated on is putting that concept on a pedestal to let it harm your ego. Just because you're in a relationship with her doesn't mean you have to wear your heart on your sleeve and be 100% emotionally vulnerable.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you give a chick commitment though, it's under the circumstances that she'll be loyal to your interests. If she breaks that, you just leave her. There's an endless stream of hot women in existence.

By being anti-commitment, you're being insecure by building a shield around your emotions. That's fine and all if you need time to get over something like a oneitis.. But you should strive to be a man who doesn't need to guard his emotions because no one can touch that.

I'd be much happier with committing to a girl in an LTR and having a steady stream of good safe sex and generally just hanging out instead of banging some random coke head bar hoe who probably didn't tell me she has herpes.. But I'm not here to tell anyone how they should live their life.

[–]Il128 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[–]arul20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Water off a duck bro .. oil on a duck is what happens in an oil spill eco-disaster.

Otherwise, a good post, good laugh. Thanks.

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A couple months ago I was at a party with my girlfriend. She asked me to go get something out of the car for her. Instead, I pulled out my keys and handed them to her. You should have heard the disparaging comments from the resident white knights of my social group about how that's not how you treat a woman, blah blah blah. Ignored.

Later that night when we were in bed, she started shit testing me by asking me why I don't do nice things for her. I reminded her that I unselfishly get her off all the time because I'm a super nice guy. She laughed and then climbed on my dick.

[–]TheSlicemanCometh 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What kind of pathetic beta brings his girlfriend with him on his workout?

If there is any time not to be catering to a woman, it's when your fucking working out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've never worked out with my girlfriend before, but I wouldn't have a problem hitting the treadmills with her. I would never ever want to lift with her though. The last thing I want to do is lift with someone who's much weaker than me, much less my girlfriend. I need to focus when I'm lifting and my girl being there would be way too much of a distraction.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's enough bullshit propaganda going on this election year. I'm certainly not buying into this shit.

[–]mykonos_rm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know the full backstory but ditching your girl on a run IS a dick move. If she can't keep up, don't fucking bring her.

The big reason why women love alpha men is that they can rely and feel safe with them, it's why women physically cling to to the guy in crowds or in tense situations.

Don't need to analyze everything as fucking "shit test".

[–]diablo_fuentes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this. I had a few omegas and betas attack me for being assertive when I was hitting on girls.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hilarious. These guys are just teasing their girlfriends. Their big girls, they can finish their lap by themselves.

[–]GarnetLantern 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude needs to kill the beta in himself something fierce. Someone should invite him here.

PSA: Never forget to hold frame and never catch oneitis. Dealing with some shit now because of me forgetting those two rules. Stay strong RedPill, stay strong.

[–]seeforce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wanna hang out with his douche friends

[–]MgFalcon 0 points0 points [recovered]

All RP aside, leaving anyone alone on a run is a run is pretty fucked up. If you know they suck at running and run a 10/min mile pace just don't invite them in the first palce. I wouldn't do that to a friend, so why would I do that to a gf?

[–]alclarkey 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Did he invite her, or did she invite herself?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The right move would to have told her that she would slow him down and deny her access to his jog. You can be alpha and control the situation without being a piece of shit.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That or he could say "all right babe, but I'm working to meet a new PR tonight so I'm gonna leave you in the dust ;)".

It's not fucked up if the parameters are all ready set. It's fucked up to expect the guy to squash his workout just because his girlfriend wants to come along. She could always say something like "Aww all right, well how about we watch a movie later when you get back from your run instead?"

Would you complain if your girlfriend and her friends invited you shopping if they were busy trying on dresses the whole time and you all didn't even go to one mens' store? Either go off and do your own thing, patiently wait and let them do their thing, or simply don't go.

Couples don't have to do the exact same thing with each other all day everyday.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

You're a tool dude, read what I said. You don't do that to anyone on a run.

[–]p3n1x 2 points3 points  (7 children)

You don't do that to anyone on a run.

Says who? You? Do you set the bar for social contracts? Get over your subjective belief system.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children)

That's basically like going to the store with someone, buying your shit faster, and then driving off without them even though you're ending up in the same place.

[–]p3n1x -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Not even close, it would be like both of you taking your own cars and one leaving the store before the other.

...come the fuck on ... Is she incapable of "running" on her own unless he is within some imaginary gravitational bubble? The range which is up to your delusional standards?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Haha now you're just picking at straws dude! Just admit that you're a shitty person who couldn't care less about a running partner be it a man or woman.

[–]p3n1x -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Sure, when you admit you are being dramatic and hung up on irrelevant shit. You should go to the bar and tell this story to the ladies, let us know who wins.

See if they care about "who you are" on the inside, lolz.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Lol you're talking about ditching friends like it shouldn't matter. If you can't reflect on this and realize only shitty people do that, then this just the tip of the iceberg for you buddy.

[–]p3n1x -1 points0 points  (1 child)

No, you are talking about ditching people.

I'm talking about people being responsible for their choices. Especially when that choice is an intentional shit test.

[–]TornadoCreator -1 points0 points  (2 children)

The fact is. Women do like to be treated with respect; but they like confident, physically fit, assertive men MORE!

I'm constantly shocking people because I'm a physically disabled, overweight, and not at all financially stable guy... yet I get women. How? Because I'm confident and make it clear I don't fucking need them. The way I act and the things I say make it obvious that I won't take shit off women and they won't come first. I've repeatedly had women paying for dates with me because they wanted a date, and I said I couldn't afford it. There's nothing quite like being in a restaurant and having the women pay the entire bill. I'm gracious, I thank them, but I don't grovel... they wouldn't grovel or apologise if I paid for them.

Now, sure. I'm a fuck up. I know this. I don't have a great deal of cash, I'm far from physically fit, and I'm not in a stable position in my life. Which means I get a girl on average 2-3 times per year. But I've also got a low sex drive and don't want pointless posturing dates, where you just spend time together for the hell of it, getting in the way of my hobbies. I'd rather wait and find someone who shares my hobbies.

So yeah. This guy's right... they are dicks who treat their girlfriends like dirt. I'd probably not have done that because it was a disrespectful thing to do. But the reason they have girlfriends and he doesn't is they're physically fit, confident, successful guys, so the girls overlook them being dicks occasionally; while he's an overweight, submissive, failure who's "respectful" to women not out of genuine respect but in hope that they'll let him fuck them. That's if anything less respectful.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

who's "respectful" to women not out of genuine respect but in hope that they'll let him fuck them. That's if anything less respectful.

Once you have identified your covert contracts it is much easier to spot them in others. This poor guy is wrapped in covert contracts like a mummy.

[–]TornadoCreator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used to be the same. I was in two very abusive relationships where I was effectively ordered around like a fool. I was in my teens and a fairly easy-going guy; so I rarely asserted myself at all, at least in my relationships. It was the slow realisation that feminism is basically being treated like some kind of religion by it's proponents that snapped me out of it; and meeting a real life SJW who exploded at me and started screaming "misogyny" because I COMPLEMENTED her amateur painting brought that realisation into sharp focus.

I won't pretend like I'm a true "alpha male". I'm not. I'm overweight, rather lazy, not got much ambition, and don't really care about being successful. I'd rather play video games, collect my collectables, and watch Netflix... but just having the attitude of a confident alpha makes all the difference.

I honestly pity some men, though my most pathetic beta-male friend has recently become shockingly alpha in the way he's treating the women in his life and has his ex-girlfriend hanging off him and begging for attention now. I didn't know he had it in him, I'm so proud.

[–]7SM -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

That guy sounds like the whiny little bitches that talk shit about cannabis, then proceed to ask me for a job when they realize I own a cannabis business.

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I don't think selling pot to your friends in the school bathroom during lunch qualifies as a business bud.

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that he's not going to let her ruin his workout by making him go slower.

Top Cunt right there.

WTF was the point of this thread? he literally ends it by saying he "feels bitter and sad" WTF does that have to do with anything? What a bitch.