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Rant/VentingBe Honest With Yourself, You're Being A Pussy: You Don't Want To Put In The Hard Work. (self.TheRedPill)

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This is a problem I see with about half of this sub. I'm going to be brutally honest with you, so hopefully you can be brutally honest with yourself. You're being a pussy.

If you're coming here to ask some other man how you should be acting, what you should be saying, what decisions you should be making, etc. Then you are in the wrong sub, the PUA community is where you should be. And there is nothing wrong with that. But this sub isn't meant for that type of stuff. It's showing men how to live by THEIR own rules, not the rules of someone else. I had a previous post about overcomplicating things and someone had said (and it received a couple of upvotes), You can not have an abundance mentality if you don't have a lot of women already and you can not be non-needy if you don't have access to pussy. That if you lack social skills you have to be to told the things to say and how to act in order to get women and only then can you improve your inner game once you fake your outter game. This is an excuse and it's WAY too common, and toxic type of thinking in far too many new men who come here.

The problem is they want to be told what to do. They don't want to put in the hard work in going through monk mode, approaching and getting rejected, being uncomfortable, getting drug through the mud to create their own experiences and learn for themselves. They want a step by step script on what to do. They don't want to make mistakes they don't want to be uncomfortable. They want to be safe they want to take the short cut. And hey if that's what you want to do that is fine and it may work for the time being. But it's only hurting you in the long run because you'll be depending on that type of stuff for a long time.

You can absolutely be non-needy if you don't have access to pussy. You can absolutely change your thinking too an abundance mentality even if you don't have any.

Do you think every guy who isn't extremely attractive who gets pussy has taken or learned pick up prior to getting pussy? Not at all. I have a friend who was over weight and was always the nice guy, social skills weren't that great and never got pussy. Guess what? He got fed up and said I'm done being the nice guy. I'm doing shit for myself. He changed his mentality, worked (hard) on himself and started not giving a fuck (aka non neediness). Now he gets tons of pussy. My better looking friends even say They don't get how he gets the women he does. No PUA, no canned bullshit. No step by step guide. Just change of thinking and a Idgaf attitude.

Half the reason guys find this sub in the first place is because they are fed up. They change their thinking or go monk mode and all of a sudden, boom. Pussy is coming.

The ones who actually swallowed TRP don't tell you to use bullshit canned lines here, we don't tell you work on your outter game first. That's the problem with a lot of new comers. This is what they want.

As Men we need to stop making excuses of why we can't do things for ourselves and stop following in the exact foot steps (and using words) of other men. That's why the PUA is so popular. It's a "shortcut" men don't want to think for themselves or create their own experience through failures, they want some other guy who has the success tell them exactly what to do. You think cave men and your ancestors had a step by step guide on how to do this shit? No they learned for themselves and the ones who made excuses and wanted to be babied died off.

Learning off others is fine if it's done in principles not when it's done by telling you what exactly to say or how to act for everything particular situation.

If you want to swallow the red pill and become the man you were meant to be. This is the right place to be. Just know it's going to fucking suck at first. It's going to take work, you're going to be uncomfortable. You're going to want to go back to feeling "safe" but that isn't going to help you in the long run and will never get you where you want to be. You need to want this more than anything and you need to stop making lame excuses to why you can't do things. You need to stop following other men's exact way of doing things and using their words. Take their advice and put it to the test in your own way.

They were just like you at one point only they said fuck this. Stopped making excuses and started living for themselves.

For years of being a drug addict I had never been able to get clean. It was because I didn't want to be uncomfortable. I didn't want to put in the hard work of making my life better without drugs. I didn't want to think for myself. I was running from fear. And made excuses for years. Getting clean was and still is one of the hardest things I ever have done but now that I am on the other side of it. I realize all along everything I thought during my active addiction was just an excuse to why I couldn't get sober. I wanted an easy way out, It was so much easier to take a drug to feel normal (that was ruining my life and making me unable to function) than it was to deal with life and all the bullshit that comes with it. Now I couldn't be happier I'm sober. I stopped making excuses and did whatever the fuck I have to do to stay clean and I grow everyday from it. To gain the confidence I wanted that I'd get from the drug, I had to go out there and throw myself to the dogs and approach. I had to face my fears head on. And now I'm comfortable doing all that stuff.

You saying you don't have social skills is why you can't get women is like me saying. I'm an addict and that's why I can never get clean. It's an excuse. Stop being a pussy. Stop saying you can't approach because you don't know what to say. Stop asking other guys what you should be saying. Stop making those excuses and start doing.

I'm not saying don't take advice from other men, I'm in not saying don't gain knowledge and work smarter. I'm saying put in the WORK, take what you learn and do it for yourself. Stop tip toeing through life afraid to do things for yourself or making mistakes.

TL;DR You're probably making excuses and want to be told exactly what to do, instead of finding out for yourself. You don't want to put in the hard work and are afraid of failure. That's why you aren't making the progress you want.


[–]Rommel0502 281 points282 points  (41 children)

That one instant - that one single second in time when you decide to get up and go the gym instead of sitting on the couch. That one moment when you decide to stay the extra hour at work instead of going home. The one blink of an eye when you decide to approach instead of leaning against the wall.

It's what you choose during that one infinitesimal time period that defines how your life turns out.

[–]TheSubversive 37 points38 points  (5 children)

It's true to a good extent and what's funny is how fucking small all those things are, how easy it is to do any of them. Getting up and going to the gym is easy in the sense of a physical act. Staying an hour extra at work is literally not moving. Approaching someone you don't know and maybe want to know, guy or girl, is literally a 5 second exercise.

In fact, with almost all of these things, not thinking about it and just doing it makes them all as easy as breathing.

[–]Drenmar 19 points20 points  (4 children)

It's easy to do, but it's also easy not to do. That's why most people don't do it.

[–]TheInkerman 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's easy to do, but it's also easy not to do. That's why most people don't do it.

I would say it's easy to do, but very hard to start doing.

[–]EatmyShorts59 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The Slight Edge Book by Jeff Olson

[–]FrustratedLogician 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I read this post and automatically something snapped in my mind and I went for a run. It was not act of running but that 'just doing' feeling that keeps me in puzzlement right now. FYI, I overslept my morning run today and felt guilty as fuck for it. Same for career... I've been wrestling with thoughts that I'm not in my element. Was reading a shitload of advice but nothing changed, just like reading this sub changes nothing if you don't act. I contacted several people in the field with questions and hopefully I will get more clarity with my career doubts as well.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I remember when I was in highschool I would run every morning for enjoyment. I wasnt part of any running clubs just did it because I liked it. I would wake up at 4 in the morning to go running. Whenever I thought about what I was getting dressed for it would make it so much harder. So instead I would do it in steps. As soon as the alarm rang next step was to sit up, easy enoupgh. Once I was up it was time to put on some shorts a socks and short, easy peasy. Next step was to do some light stretching, nothing hard about that. Next step was to go outside and walk to the park. Next step was to start jogging into a run.

Hopefully you see what I'm trying to say because I can't think of any way to say it other than listing my thought process but that made things so much easier. Instead of thinking about the end game I just thought about the next small step forward and it made it easier to accomplish my goal of running every day.

[–]Rommel0502 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude - seriously, that's awesome. I bet you'll use that thought going forward at just that critical time when you're at the fork in the road.

I stumbled on this site as confirmation of the evolutionary strategy of mating, and what it has evolved to in many cases is a kick in the ass for being the best you. Ive said it many places elsewhere - if you've come here solely to try to improve your prospects with pussy, your missing the boat. Just by making it that important to you you're failing by putting it on a pedestal. Just strive to be your best self - physically, intellectually, financially, etc. Do that, and trust me pussy will be the least of your worries.

[–]broskiatwork 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is exactly how I try to approach my life. I don't always succeed, but the road to victory has losses as well. My largest success is that I started running with C25K. I was never overweight, merely out of shape, and it's helped. I only don't run when my legs actually hurt.

Seriously, guys, just get up and do it. Whatever it is, fucking do it. If you fail, pick your ass back up and keep moving. You've got two good legs. So get up and use them!

[–]lilbfuckedyobitch 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Feel obligated to post this for those who haven't seen - Ice T - Fuck it

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thanks for posting that as I've never seen it. I run my own business and I've been super conservative in my decision making lately because I've been scared to make a mistake that will set back my business. I've been wrestling with an opportunity the past week and need to make a decision by tomorrow. Fuck it, I'm taking the calculated risk and going for it!! It's funny because I logged on to this site just now for a little motivation in my marriage and yet it's the business part of my life I really needed the motivation.

[–]lilbfuckedyobitch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seriously glad I could help you out man! I literally set this as my alarm clock some mornings haha need to be taking the advice more often myself.

[–]SchmeginaPhalanges 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a woman who came to this thread out of pure curiosity, this post is probably the best post I have seen so far.

I suffered greatly from social anxiety and it took me taking that simple step of getting out of my comfort zone, being more social (no matter how difficult it was) to see that humans weren't scary after all.

Now I find it easy to talk to people and practically itch to socialise. I love it; it's also empowered me to be more bold in all areas of my life.

Short cuts get you nowhere. Honestly, like OP said, when you're living life, developing your character- doing what you love and not worrying about how to speak to girls you will attract people male or female, period. People who are passionate about their lives are generally attractive.

Ok, back to lurking.

[–]Yolo_JesusSwag420 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thanks man, needed this. It's leg day today and I am being a procrastinating bitch about it. Heading to the gym now.

[–]Rommel0502 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kick ass my friend. Keep it up.

[–]SwallowRP 0 points0 points [recovered]

That one moment when you decide to stay the extra hour at work instead of going home.

Yes, not valuing your time is definitely redpill everyone

[–]Rommel0502 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Man, you must be one stupid unproductive motherfucker if staying an extra hour adds absolutely no value and is noticed by no one.

You got me here. If you are of such low value that you staying at your job adds absolutely nothing, then by all means go home and do something more productive for yourself. Perhaps watch porn and play video games?

Edit - when I read a closet BP post like yours, from time to time I click on the name to see if its an anomaly or endemic in who you really are. I just clicked on yours and what do I find? You've made three posts in the last ten minutes on another site talking about ... wait for it ... VIDEO GAMES. Too funny ... and quite explanatory.

[–]SwallowRP -2 points-2 points [recovered]

staying an extra hour adds absolutely no value

No value to me. Adult world works salaried, not hourly like McDonalds jobs. The world works the same way as we say "women work this way": If I'm giving my time away I clearly don't value it.

[–]Rommel0502 1 point2 points  (4 children)

So you working an extra hour is viewed upon as so valueless by your employer who is investing in you that they feel absolutely no need to reward you in any way as they would lose nothing if you left the company.

The video game guys are wondering where you went. Best get back to them.

[–]SwallowRP -2 points-2 points [recovered]

So you talking an extra hour is viewed upon as so valueless by your plate who is sexing you that they feel absolutely no need to reward you in any way as they would lose nothing if you left the them.

Fixed so your adolescent mind might understand.

[–]Rommel0502 1 point2 points  (2 children)

"My adolescent mind."

So you are implying that you are an adult ... an adult who is so into video games that he posts three times in ten minutes on a video game forum. LOL - Please dont infer that you know what it is to have a plate, because you dont, and everyone who reads this exchange knows that. Women dont let themselves be plated by adult men with shitty jobs and video game addictions.

You need to quit while you're behind. Really.

[–]beginner_ -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

That one moment when you decide to stay the extra hour at work instead of going home.

As corporate drone its' much better to skip that hour work and invest it in gym time. Your hard work will only benefit some guy at least 1 level above you, if at all.

[–]Rommel0502 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Sorry, but as I have stated elsewhere, that is blue pill thinking. Stop putting pussy on a pedestal above everything else, especially money and success. You work hard at your job, 99% of the time you move up and are rewarded for it. That is benefits the people above you is not an indictment of that, its justification for it. They are investing in you. Show you are a good investment. Then, when you have amassed enough capital yourself, you can strike out on your own and invest in others.

And please, spare me the "no matter how hard you work you never get ahead" bullshit. Ive been on every side corporate management and ownership, and guys who dont get rewarded for good work is rare, as companies who dont reward them are typically not very successful long term. I have, however, seen droves of lazy fucks whine about not getting ahead when they dont do shit past the minimum required to stay employed. Its really the workforce equivalent of crying about "Why does Chad get all the hot chicks?" Dont do the work, and dont fucking expect much. The market works in money and the workplace just as well if not better than in the sexual marketplace, if for no other reason than the unit of exchange it that much clearer. Of course, the governments constant tinkering does as much as possible to screw with this beautiful and effective mechanism, but thats a conversation for another time.

One more time for those in still in the anger phase. Pussy is fucking easy, one of the easiest things guys want. Money is hard, one of the hardest things guys want. The market has this one right, as usual.

[–]beginner_ 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What does going to the gym have to do with pussy on a pedestal?

We can agree to disagree. Working hard is fine if it's your business but for a huge corporation? Nope. In fact overperforming can make higher-ups see you as a danger and it can make you much harder to replace. You are naive to think promotions have to do with hard work. It has to do with kissing the right asses, eg. mainly our social skills. Playing the large corporate politics game and in the end it's often still more feasible to just switch companies and rise up that way (in pay and position).

Besides that I'm not US and here we have some strict regulations to protect workers. So you are actually discouraged to do too much overtime and if you have too many vacation days they can force you to go to vacation. By law vacation days can't expire and you get at least 20 per year...

[–]Rommel0502 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Its not going to the gym in itself, its putting physical attraction to women over everything else in your life that adds value to it. For me, being independently wealthy adds way more to my life than a smile and a wink from some abundant commodity.

I dont know what country you are from, so I cannot speak to your situation in particular. All I can say in a free market, adding value is rewarded and management/ownership does everything they can to keep good people.

I broke my ass for years in a 100 hr per week Wall St job. I didnt take a vacation for seven years. I worked weekends and holidays. And I made an absolute shitload of money doing it because the people who employed me knew my value and didnt want me to leave to compete against them. What did I do with that wealth? In 2008 I started a business. In 2012 another. This year, another. Other than venture cap and strategic planning, since age 44 I havent worked a single day I didnt want to and Im 48 now.

Was it hard? You fucking bet it was, and way harder than getting all of the pussy Ive ever gotten combined. Was it worth it? Without question. Im 48 and living the life of Riley. I have an apartment in the city. I have a 10k sq ft Victorian mansion in the country. I drive my dream car. There is not a single thing that I want for that I cannot have almost immediately. Perhaps most importantly, I am the complete master of my own time. I work when I want, on what I want. Trade all of that for what? A wink from a worthless ho? Lol. Not this guy.

[–]beginner_ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Its not going to the gym in itself, its putting physical attraction to women over everything else in your life that adds value to it.

And that's the fault in your logic as your whole premise is based on the fact people go to the gym to impress women. In my case I started going because I was getting fat. I absolutely don't want to be fat. Anything else is bonus.

Good for you for that career and yeah I admit I would be too lazy to do that even if I were in a job/career that would benefit from such work. I can see that at wall street it makes sense but it also means you have never ever been an average worker in your average corporation. And there hard work doesn't pay. In fact I wouldn't even have work for a 50 hrs week let alone 100hrs.

[–]Rommel0502 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you're doing it get in shape for yourself, then you are correct and good for you. Only thing I would put ahead of wealth for happiness is good health. That said, the vast majority of the posters here making the same claim do not view it that way.

In that sense, you and I are in full agreement - do it for yourself and your own well being and benefit. Not to try to impress some ho. That will take care of itself. That is core message.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 89 points90 points  (11 children)

The problem is much deeper. In fact what you are seeing is a behavioral symptom of a much larger problem. The goal of the state and by proxy the goal of the state controlled education system is to create a domesticated man, a man who obeys when he is told and doesn't question orders.

A Dog is domesticated, a wolf is not. What makes a dog domesticated version of a wolf is that it is Neotenus to a wolf. Neoteny is the retention of Juvenile features into adulthood.. Dogs retain the juvenile features of wolves pups including floppy ears, flattened faces and most importantly child like obedient temperament

The men you are so frustrated with were domesticated by the public education system. Mentally they are still children. They are afraid of making their own decisions and lack the patience to learn abstract concepts, etc because mentally they are in a dependent child like state.

[–]Bulk_king11 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Interesting perspective. That makes a lot of sense so why do you think some men who come from the same education system and never heard of the TRP theories are capable of making their own decisions and "grow out" if you will, of this child like state? House hold upbringing? Or do you think through their experiences they see that working hard is the way to get what you want?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 24 points25 points  (5 children)

Public Education is a system of psychological conditioning. It's not 100% effective at making obedient manchildren but it's getting better.

There are factors that allow people to resist the conditioning such as a strong father figure, strong cultural identity, more independent temperament.

If the conditioning wasn't effective people can grow out of it with experience. However the fully conditioned Cuck left has so much emotional programing they are lost.

[–]Bulk_king11 4 points5 points  (4 children)

So for the sake of conversation, how would you go about helping someone who is so emotionally plugged into that type of behavior?

[–]TheSupr3m3Justic3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Make them hit rock bottom and start searching for answers....the same way most of us not only found TRP but stayed and learned.

[–]totally-turtles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can help that person by showing them TRP truths and reasons as to why things are the way they are. However the desicion to stop being so stupid and emotionally driven is up to the person; they will most likely never take your advice untill they hit their lowest point in life, and even then they may still be dumb enough not to listen. I learned this the hard way, I used to be moderate leftist, and have been exposed to MRA thoughts and principles, yet it wasn't untill I got reality check slap from life that I took the plunge.

TL:DR Show them redpill concepts and let them turn on their own

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

create a domesticated man

At the therapy they told me that an addict - or, a kid raised in dysfunctional family - will not grow, will not develop properly.

So basically, emotional, psychical growth stops at 3-4 years old.

Growth of frame stops. Frame never develops. Or, its development is severely delayed.

So here you have it, exactly the thing you told, validated, from another perspective. Take away fathers and give abundance of drugs, food, TV, sex too.

Go visit any ICU. 60-70 year old men, with big bellies like toddlers, in diapers, dying like they lived, with their "mother replacement" aka "wife" nearby. I saw that numerous times.

This is your domesticated man. This is why during my holiday with my sons I felt the best in the mountains and woods and the worst in a dinosaur theme park (I left in about 2 hours, amounts of fat, unattractive dudes with peacocked wives, pushing strollers, made me think way too much about what did I do there 4 years ago - hint, I was no different, this was very uneasy feeling).

Domesticated man.

[–]Rommel0502 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is interesting. I for one see schools reinforcing one of two things - either creativity or discipline. IMO, we dont have a creativity problem in this country, we have a discipline problem. IMO "creativity" has become blue speak for "do whatever you want whenever you want," which is the very antithesis of discipline. Since I believe self-discipline is the very key to everything else in life worth attaining, its destruction is the foundation of the left to destroy the family unit (creating government dependency) and a docile and ineffective male. If you look at the collapse of the family and manhood since the 60s, its clear this is exactly whats going on.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You've just described 95% of my male friends, damn

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy FUCK! Word! Preach on Reverend. People are very obedient now. There will never be another Civil War. I tell ya. Humanity in the U.S. and other developed countries is suffering from robbed independent emotions and thoughts.

[–]oilersareterrible 15 points15 points [recovered]

Fantastic post OP, the point of your post reminded me of a passage from the book "The Sea-Wolf", in one scene the main character is talking to the Captain of the ship that saved him from drowning in the sea, and when the Captain finds out the main character lives off of his fathers inheritance he says:

"Who earned it? Eh! I thought so. Your father. You stand on a dead man's legs. You've never had any of your own. You couldn't walk alone between two sunrises and hustle the meat for your belly for 3 meals."

How many of you here stand on your own two legs? To do so requires hard work, and pain, and sacrifice. You will have to neglect things you love, there will be times when you will grit your teeth so hard you feel they will break and you will say to yourself: "There is no way I can keep going", but you will keep going anyways. There is no easy way around this, the only way OUT is THROUGH the struggle.

Work hard boys, one day you will stop, look around and realize you stand on your own two legs.

(BTW I absolutely recommend the book "The Sea-Wolf" by Jack London to everyone here. It is a story of a limp-wristed pussy turned a man through the trials of the sea. Jack London was a profoundly red pilled author.)

[–]Algernoq 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great book.

I reread it post-TRP and noticed the protagonist beta-orbits the writer above his SMV throughout their entire imprisonment. Long ago I thought for sure they'd get married...but he's not good enough for her in her eyes.

[–]EatmyShorts59 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Sea-Wolf" by Jack London

I absolutely love audiobooks.

So if anyone else is interested here is the youtube link

https://youtu.be/gm9WEFQLebM

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 50 points51 points  (2 children)

If your first reaction was to report OP, or call him an asshole, that's your ego. It do what it do best, protect your feelings. If it was to explain away how this doesn't apply to you, you're only lying to yourself

If your first reaction was to chuckle, then move on, good for you.

[–]Rhynovirus 51 points52 points  (9 children)

I have only one thing to add: pussy is overrated and infinitely replaceable. If you're here for pussy you aren't ready for the pill.

[–]HS-Thompson 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Pussy is only overrated when you're getting it.

It's been a long many years since I had trouble getting pussy, but I seem to remember it being pretty all-consuming by force of nature. I'm not sure what the point is of telling "incel" guys that pussy is overrated. For them it really is, and probably should be, a core goal and focus of life to figure out how to get it.

Replaceable on the other hand, that's a fact, and a classic thing that everyone has to learn the hard way.

[–]Pancake_Slut 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I'd like to add. Don't make your life revolve around pussy, make pussy revolve around your life.

[–]404-BRAKES-NOT-FOUND -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Lol i honestly dont know wtf this means but I like it

[–]Snazzy_Serval 17 points18 points  (3 children)

If you're here for pussy you aren't ready for the pill.

LOL wut? That's the freaking mission of this sub.

TRP's mission is to discuss men's identity, sexual strategy, and options in the context of our current global culture for the benefit of men.

The majority of all the articles on the sidebar are about sex.

I'd wager that 99% of men on this sub came here because they want more pussy.

[–]karpathian 0 points1 point  (1 child)

But they aren't entirely about pleasure, you don't need a real pussy to pleasure yourself, there's deeper meaning and satisfaction to fucking women that many men who come to trp for pick up methods don't get.

[–]Bulk_king11 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Right which is why inner "game" is what your main focus should be. But to act like no one wants pussy or that it doesn't exists would be silly. Especially when a lot of men come to this sub solely thinking about it. It should never be your main focus. You should be your main focus. Which is the main difference between RP and the Pick up community when it comes to that aspect.

[–]makeitproductive 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Way more than half this sub has that problem.

This sub is nothing but self-improvement masturbation for a lot of guys. They come here and read the theory and feel enlightened, they read the field reports and feel like the main character of the story. The blue-pill examples and the revenge porn makes them feel superior and vindicated, but in they end they did nothing. Their social skills, their bodies and mind are worse from doing nothing. And they they keep coming, hoping for the next fix - ever unfit , ever untested. Addicts.

I always try to remember that I am what I do, not what I think. Think of what you did every day of the past week, thats who you are. Not your plans for tomorrow, nor the distant future.

Act now in the living present with what you learned here as a guide. It has helped me and many others, it will help you.

[–]EatmyShorts59 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I always try to remember that I am what I do, not what I think. Think of what you did every day of the past week, thats who you are. Not your plans for tomorrow, nor the distant future. Act now in the living present with what you learned here as a guide. It has helped me and many others, it will help you.

I like !

[–]TheSubversive 16 points17 points  (8 children)

Good post. A lot of the problems I have with this sub is the "anti-women" shit and I don't believe that's what it's about. It's not about the guys out there that haven't caught on yet. I have no beef with the female population or beta's at all and I certainly don't need to put them down to make myself stronger, which is what I see a lot on here. I am who I am because of me, not because of how I compare to someone else. Someone who is "weak" doesn't make me stronger, I make me stronger, because of who I am and what I do and how I act, not because of some beta's actions.

And as far as women go, I'll just say this: a lot of the stuff I see guys on here say about women makes me thing they secretly don't like them and are just closet homosexuals. There's a lot of anger running around here towards women and again, it's not about that. I don't need to put down women to feel superior, no one should. And if you have to do that chances are probably pretty good you're not superior to begin with.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 2 points3 points  (7 children)

There's a lot of anger running around here towards women

That's exactly what's going on here.

The basic flow chart is

Guy has trouble getting women -> Starts to resent women because they won't sleep with him -> Sees women as the enemy -> Post here about the evils of feminism etc.

[–]TheSubversive 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Probably. I don't know. Me personally? I fucking love women. Now, that being said, I love me more.

TRP isn't about putting others down, it's about lifting yourself up.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I love women too, but I feel resentment pop up now and then. Back when I had a GF, I had absolutely no anger towards women.

I absolutely agree that TRP isn't about putting others down and I stay away from posts like that.

[–]TheSubversive 3 points4 points  (1 child)

but I feel resentment pop up now and then

LOL. Yeah, they'll definitely do that. I sometimes have to realize it's not them that cause the resentment, it's an expectation I had that caused it. And it happens with male friends too but with women we sometimes make that expectation sooner and it's a little bigger.

If I make a reasonable expectation though and it's not met, I move on and I can honestly look at it and say that it's the other person's loss because my time, my attention and my friendship have value.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LOL. Yeah, they'll definitely do that. I sometimes have to realize it's not them that cause the resentment, it's an expectation I had that caused it.

That's a big part of it too. Thinking it over, I actually that what I'm really feeling is frustration on not knowing what to do, or not doing something I want to do. But in the end I blame women and that's wrong.

[–]Shadoninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have been lurking on this subreddit for quite some time and a very common and prominent theme across the majority of posts I read talk about how dumb women are.

[–]Spread_The_Red 11 points12 points  (4 children)

I concur. Newbies come in and expect TRP to be a step by step guide that will lead you to pussy's doorstep but it is so much more than that. Once you begin to dig deep, especially on matters you are concerned with, it begins to show how the world really functions and what makes shit work rather than just what works.

[–]1jb_trp 5 points6 points  (0 children)

PUA = changing the outer man (i.e. game, "peacocking," etc.). It's all a charade. It's similar to when a pudgy girl gets her hair done and puts on makeup. These changes are superficial and only work on weak minded people. "You can put a lipstick on pig, but it's still a pig."

TRP = changing the inner man (e.g. working hard in the gym, making sacrifices to improve yourself, giving up binge drinking and other crutches, etc.). These are real improvements that will benefit your life and other people will notice, and women will find attractive. Change the inner man and the outer man will follow.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 2 points3 points  (2 children)

All that other stuff beyond getting pussy is great and it definitely has its place. The issue is that getting laid is a basic human need.

The Monk Mode page has the Maslow’s hierarchy of needs pyramid which I'll link here.

Sex is so important that it's actually listed twice. The way the pyramid works is that the upper layers can't be worked on till the base layers needs are met. In other words, guys who aren't getting laid don't give a damn about how the world works and all the powers at play. They just want pussy. Once they have that, then they can work on the broader concepts that are on the self-actualization tier.

[–]Spread_The_Red 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I disagree with this. While all the pieces of a functioning person, which the vast majority of people are not, are all there I don't beleive that that any teir is required for the next because someone can surely have some but not all of these traits and can be built up in any order.

The need for sex you descibe is the frustration newbies experience but it leeads to anger phase and monk mode where you'd learn how to become whole and begin taking the things you want.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are arguing against the very basis of Maslow's theory.

Maslow's hierarchy of needs is often portrayed in the shape of a pyramid with the largest, most fundamental levels of needs at the bottom and the need for self-actualization at the top.

The most fundamental and basic four layers of the pyramid contain what Maslow called "deficiency needs" or "d-needs": esteem, friendship and love, security, and physical needs. If these "deficiency needs" are not met – with the exception of the most fundamental (physiological) need – there may not be a physical indication, but the individual will feel anxious and tense. Maslow's theory suggests that the most basic level of needs must be met before the individual will strongly desire (or focus motivation upon) the secondary or higher level needs. Maslow also coined the term "metamotivation" to describe the motivation of people who go beyond the scope of the basic needs and strive for constant betterment.

The human mind and brain are complex and have parallel processes running at the same time, thus many different motivations from various levels of Maslow's hierarchy can occur at the same time. Maslow spoke clearly about these levels and their satisfaction in terms such as "relative," "general," and "primarily." Instead of stating that the individual focuses on a certain need at any given time, Maslow stated that a certain need "dominates" the human organism. Thus Maslow acknowledged the likelihood that the different levels of motivation could occur at any time in the human mind, but he focused on identifying the basic types of motivation and the order in which they should be met.

And yes, the need for sex does lead to frustration and anger. That's normal.

Monk mode is about temporarily giving up things you enjoy and other distractions while focusing on self-improvement in order to become more attractive to women.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 5 points6 points  (7 children)

These posts are getting out of hand. I'm not disagreeing with your methodology. But you are no different when telling people your ways and expect them to follow up on it. Remember that most natural Alpha's became that way through having role models. These would be fathers, brothers or friends who more often than not gave them advice on what to do.

Allot of guys on here didn't have the benefit of growing up with Alpha examples like some of us. Giving them advice and the option to follow up on it is part of the growing process. When I was a teenager I did the same thing, listened and watched while older/better/experienced guys showed me the ropes.

Now many years later I can state that I'm more comfortable picking my own choices and finding new ways by myself for myself. But it required some years of personal growth and confidence to get to that point.

You simply can't expect to throw some of these guys in the deep like that.

[–]reecewagner 2 points3 points  (3 children)

You simply can't expect to throw some of these guys in the deep like that.

Sure you can. You can skip years of personal growth and finding yourself by doing so.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I know guys who have the same goals like all of us (happiness, self improvement, poon, lots of icecream) and yet they fail. Because they have no idea what to do. They have been thrown in the deep without any guidelines. It just leaves them confused and insecure- afraid to act at all.

On this sub we remove the cognitive dissonance and show people the right path if they want. Guys help other guys finding the right answers to their questions. When they get out there they go equipped with the tools that will make them successful. You can't skip the hard work. They will go through it.

[–]Bulk_king11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again that's where this post got misinterpreted. I'm not saying go into life blind. But even with the right path most men won't do what it takes. They want an easier pain free way and will use every excuse to why they can work hard for what they want

[–]Bulk_king11 1 point2 points  (2 children)

My thoughts exactly u/reecewagner. But I think this post is being misinterpreted. I'm not saying you shouldn't learn off other people. When I give people advice it's always in principle form. Or in a way they can learn from it but in their own way.

As you state we all had role models. You look up to your father the way he does things, the way he handles situations and you learn how to develop your own sense of self while using those principles. You ultimately are going through life in your own way with some guidance. You're not however, calling your dad every hour to ask him what to say to a certain girl. You're not texting your brother to ask him exactly what you have to say in an interview to get that job. Or for a step by step guide on how to be successful. You're father would probably tell you hard work pays off and if you want anything in life worth it. You'll have to work for it.

Most guys are lazy as fuck and even thought they have the guidance needed to get what they want they lack the discipline necessary to get it. They complain that they can't do it and want an easier way out.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's true, though this is evident more so on AskTRP than on TRP itself. I think these people aren't ready to swallow the pill anyhow. It's hard to safe everyone, some of these guys are just hopeless. They will have to safe themselves.

[–]reecewagner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most guys are lazy as fuck and even thought they have the guidance needed to get what they want they lack the discipline necessary to get it. They complain that they can't do it and want an easier way out.

Can vouch for this because I still lack the discipline necessary to get the most out of TRP, but I don't complain anymore or want an easier way out. I want to work harder.

[–]Costafarian 10 points11 points  (19 children)

Inner game is way more important than anything else. You can go to the gym and get jacked and still have the shitty mindset that's dependent on a woman's approval. Fuck that, get your own approval.

The unfortunate fact about this sub is that outer game and fitness seem to take the lead over the mindset of inner game. Which I think is way more important.

Granted getting advice from more experienced men is valuable and can cut the hard work in half (work smarter, not harder). Robert Greene emphasized getting a mentor in his book Mastery. It will save you the time and effort rather than if you were to start from the ground up.

"A king never goes to war without council from those more knowledgeable than he."

[–]vagbutters 5 points6 points  (18 children)

Inner game is way more important than anything else.

No, it's really not. I'd argue that fitness is king, though game is a close second in terms what gets panties wet. Pretty much no woman will prefer a gross skinnyfat/scrawny body to one that is ripped, and no woman likes some unkempt neckbeard-looking motherfucker over a guy who dresses well and is well-groomed.

All this to say, if you lack game then their panties will be as dry as the sahara the moment you open your mouth. But the hard truth is that fitness gets stressed the most here because a.) It generally takes the longest to change, and requires the most tangible hard work b.) Most guys suffer from shit like dependency on a woman's approval because they've never had the self-confidence that a fit body gives you.

It's tiring to see here exactly what OP said-- people making excuses to not change their life. If you're fat/scrawny, no one cares how much game you have-- your fitness is a limiting factor.

[–]LuvBeer 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Respectfully disagree. Compare Tyler of RSD (ugly but inner game and social skills on point) and the average ripped gym bro who got into the gym precisely because of his poor self-esteem. 99% of the built guys I see act like average losers everywhere when they see pussy-they stare, maybe make some stupid comment to their friends, but don't approach. For pussy, game/perceived social value is king, not looks.

[–]fuckin_retard 4 points4 points [recovered]

There's something to be said about congruence.

Usually, when a guy starts lifting and gets jacked, he's going to act more outwardly confident and get more girls. He might attribute it to the muscle, but its probably more likely the girl was attracted to his confidence and stature.

Alert: Anecdotal evidence. One of my buddies in college had a dad-bod but absolutely slayed it, pulling 8s and some 9s with regularity because he had a swagger about him. If I could describe it, he basically toyed with girls, and was unaffected by their shenanigans. He didn't take them seriously. If I could compare it to my own social skills, basically, in situations with new people where I'd feel awkward as fuck and need to grab another drink compulsively, he would just lean back on the counter and grin and go with the flow. It's a level of comfort with social interactions. A lot of guys get this from growing up with sisters.

On the other hand I had some bros who were muscled up but kind of weirdos and they didn't do nearly as well as this other guy.

[–]LuvBeer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. Muscles and balls are ideal, but between the two, balls wins every time.

[–]Costafarian 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Obviously lifting is important. I've been busting my ass at the gym and at home for a few weeks now. It's hard work. But again, you can be ripped and suck with women.

[–]Bulk_king11 10 points11 points  (6 children)

As well as you can not be jacked and still get laid. Contrary to popular belief. Being jacked helps with all aspects of life though

[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I'm actually not sure about that.

The sole reason I work out is to make myself more attractive to women. Getting jacked would have absolutely zero benefit to my life beyond that. Anything beyond basic fitness is pointless in the modern age for the vast majority of people.

In other words increasing my bench press 100lbs won't help my life in any way whatsoever other than making my muscles look bigger.

[–]Bulk_king11 -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

Discipline? Better health? Feel better? Setting goals/crushing goals. I can name a million more. If the only reason you lift is to attract women you got this whole RP thing backwards buddy. I'd start reading the sidebar if I were you

[–]Snazzy_Serval 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Please do list some more reasons. Nothing you listed is a benefit that getting big has over basic fitness/maintenance.

Sorry dude, I think you have the RP thing backwards. The whole goal of RP is to get women. Read over the mission statement. Actually look at the sidebar and notice how many articles there are about women and sex.

[–]EatmyShorts59 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think being jacked simply boils down to the halo effect.

Being physically fit definitely helps in other areas of your life.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being physically fit definitely helps in other areas of your life.

Oh I agree absolutely.

Though I think it breaks down to don't be fat and don't be super skinny.

You want to look healthy and fit. But there is no need to be huge.

[–]killxorxbexkilled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well your argument is flawed and invalid. Your comparisons are too opposite one another to be useful. Clearly you have no vision about power, status, and wealth and the ENORMOUS influence they have over women. Does being physically fit help - hell yes it does but that's FAR from the number one thing that will get you women (in fact, there IS NO "one thing"....it's a combination of things and how it affects women will depend on the individual woman). You think this way because you're projecting your shallow personality onto others..."well that's how I think so it must be how they think too". Let's say we have two men with equal - wealth, status, power, personality, intelligence. One is fit. One is not. Obviously the fit man has the advantage. However, rarely are "all things equal" and life isn't that simple. Your thought process shouldn't be either.

[–]cheshire_ranch -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

nothing is more important than the mental.... your post is very BP of you

[–]vagbutters 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If you weren't physically mediocre and defensive, maybe you wouldn't be struggling with women. Keep thinking that "game" alone will save you. See how far that gets you and report back to me when you decide to get off your ass about it.

[–]cheshire_ranch 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i never said game alone is what matters.. and i never said i was struggling.. im merely addressing your point that "fitness is king"... no king would agree with u... bruce lee, maximus , zeus , aristotle, even arnold himself would tell u mental is king. fitness is important very very important, but mental is life.
grow up bruh

[–]vagbutters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You definitely sound like a fat dude who doesn't know anything about women aside from talking about them on the internet. Go outside and start flirting with HB8+'s and let me know how that goes for you if they don't find your gross body creepy.

[–]killxorxbexkilled 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great post and reminder that there is no "secret" or easy way. Strength is developed only through resistance. Skills are honed with hard work. I think a lot of guys are looking for that "one easy trick" or want to give up if they aren't "good" at it right away. Now this is some cliche shit but even the mighty oak tree was once just a seed and a sapling. And like all things that grow - this is a journey, not an event. That's why I still read these articles and challenge myself to be better and to try harder.

[–]MikeAlpha93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I laughed at the title. Good read, more people need to hear this.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being uncomfortable is how I systematically broke away from casually excessive drinking and smoking. Now I can do them casual, keep my cool, and sleep it off without much of a pang to return. If I get back into weed, I'll slowly reconsider when I can get it once I run out. Fuck that for now, or forever.

If you or I could take that step in even smaller ways, then you and I can do this. Thanks for all the clarification OP. Gotta stick with it as a motif.

[–]stemgang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well there's nothing wrong with seeking advice from more experienced men.

But of course you're right that most people are too lazy to do the hard work, and there is no easy way around it.

There's no substitute for lifting and approaching.

[–]Thebilboestbaggins 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I moved to a new city, been implementing TRP and i've seen vast improvements. But still no results. I'm still needy / lonely. I got this girls number yesterday and texted her for drinks tomorrow, she never got back to me. Then there was this gorgeous girl that was sitting next to me on the bus. There were all these people around us and I still get anxious hitting on girls in front of other people, then I looked at her hand and saw that she was married, I totally bitched out and didn't say a word to her. I felt like shit.

But posts like this keeps me going. I just sent a text to myself saying "Have you tried not giving a fuck?" Its like I feel a fire in me when I read it.

One thing I've noticed about myself. Whenever I have a day like this I don't say "Today was a shitty day." Instead I say "I was pretty shitty today."

Now, instead of sulking in my bed because this hoe didn't get back to me, I'm gonna go out, all by my fucking self, and try again.

[–]Billee_Boyee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Didn't read your post, but the headline has inspired me to go work out.

Upvote just for the title.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks OP. For reminding my ego to stfu and deal with it.

[–]throwaw38474 1 point2 points  (5 children)

OP, you are a good looking dude, right?

Not to be passive aggressive, i am implyimg you had it easy because of good looks.

[–]Bulk_king11 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

I had nothing easy. Even with looks I've got shitted on when my internal game wasn't shit. When I acted beta. My life has been far from easy and looks don't work for jack shit besides a couple compliment

[–]throwaw38474 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Yeah, all good looking guys think good looks don't matter.

That's cute.

You haven't been through the fire yourself and it shows.

Edit: I actually find your thread enjoyable, don't get me wrong.

[–]i4mn30 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, I've the opinion that if you're looking to hookup in your workplace, then some bitches go for the not attractive but more powerful, financially richer uglies. Been seeing this at my place for some time, with the new sales girls.

[–]Bulk_king11 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You sound like you're using looks as an excuse. Not to mention I have plenty of friends who aren't that attractive that get hotter girls than I can pull at times. Looks don't mean shit. They really don't. Look at Tyler from rsd. He's a balding 39 year old ginger who is ugly as hell and says weird shit. Gets laid constantly and fucks hot 22 year olds all the time. My friend is fat and gets laid because he doesn't give a fuck. Looks to a woman are about as important to them as we care if they have money.

One day I hope you come to realize this truth.

[–]throwaw38474 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am not making excuses. I just found your thread a bit naïve, and I figured why. I wasn't wrong.

I actually think Tyler is just average, there is nothing with his face that makes him ugly. I believe he gets laid: he has a badass personality, and he has obviously worked his ass off. His strength radiates. But he is not ugly as hell.

How tall are you?

[–]URnotRP 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Forget not putting in the hard work. Most of these guys think that RP is their gospel and think if they follow it the bitches will come. Instead of seeing that it's a guideline and they have to put the hard work into actually having success with it.

I keep clicking on top posts by week and hoping to see something quality like this. Instead I'm faced with horrible Field Reports, like the one where a guy says another guy who spoke to him in the line while waiting for his bagel is "maintaining frame" just for politely replying to his "opener".

Its not even excuses. Its that none of these guys actually understand that analyzing things and living by the philosophy isn't enough. You have to go out there and put in the hard work. Hit the gym. Fail a million times with various openers. Try to make friends and fail.

TRP is not gaining confidence through the philosophy and recognizing what is RP and what is not RP behavior, analyzing every last situation in pop culture to reflect RP philosophies. Its going out there and realizing that if you want to live by RP you have to work at it. I don't care how the hamsters I work with are AWALT in their behaviors. I don't care if a guy in another sub is acting BP. All I care about is making the best life possible for myself through self improvement.

And that sort of self introspection and work is hard and no one wants to do it

[–]Bulk_king11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I'm glad you can appreciate this. I totally agree with what you said. Its the same thing as I see guys post "advice" on here when they clearly do nothing but read post all day. No reference experience. Just hours behind a laptop. What is even worst is the ones who have such anger behind what they talk about. Especially towards women. This isn't a hate women sub it's a sub to see things for how they really are and improve your life based on such

[–]aherne18 1 point2 points  (7 children)

I have a friend. Let's call him H... He's good looking (in my opinion) but lacks much success with women (so probably he's not good looking after all).

A couple of years ago he decided to change his destiny, so entered a pick up "team", went to clubs, approached and got rejected. His moral was now rock bottom, much worse than before. One year ago he met a chubby post-wall HB3 through Tinder (!) and now he's very happy to be in a "relationship".

I have other friends that are gym regulars. Average looking guys who got slim and jacked. Guess what: their success with women hasn't increased a micron. Women look at them as if they are diseased or something:) Thinking back to myself and others I know I fail to see a single benefit in getting jacked as far as women are concerned: the only MAJOR benefit is that you're no longer picked as a target by other men.

Truth is few if any of canned TRP "solutions" work as intended.

[–]1WeedDaddy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thinking back to myself and others I know I fail to see a single benefit in getting jacked as far as women are concerned: the only MAJOR benefit is that you're no longer picked as a target by other men.

This is my experience as well. The only muscular guys getting laid already had handsome faces and were accepted into the party crowd since early teenage.

A key factor is the popularity among your peers. This is multifaceted and complex to define, but usually it's about substances and having a place to party, being admitted to the school team, and perhaps having obedient hot sisters you can dangle in front of other men.

[–]1ItsTheHomeWrecker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

deleted What is this?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Truth is few if any of canned TRP "solutions" work as intended.

Load of fucking bullshit. I started with "RP" type material at the age of 22(30). I was one of the hardest cases probably on this forum, thus giving me the needed leverage to actually go all the way. Sure, it is painful and it fucking sucks to go RP for many. And as many other have stated the sidebar is a guideline, though a pretty fucking close map to reality.

Optimally every guy on this forum will look a little bit different than the other, because at the end of the day we are all humans with various sticking points, idiosyncracies, tendences, etc.

But to say that few of the TRP guidelines don't work as intended is a fucking lie - the problem then is with the user.

[–]grewapair -1 points0 points  (3 children)

What the canned TRP solutions do is to boost the degree to which you are above the average SMV. A 6 can go to a 7. An 8 can go to a 9.

But a 2 is still a 2, but now he's a jacked, high earning, well dressed 2. It's a lot of work to be a jacked, well dressed 2.

However, if you're a jacked, well dressed, high earning 2, a women looking for a guy to use will realize how much work you put in and see it as evidence that you can be easily used because you're trying so hard. You might even get laid in between the cheating she's doing. If you are blue pill, the sex will make you happy. If you are red pill, you'll see it for what it really is and it won't make you happy.

[–]aherne18 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Interesting point and also very realistic, as I like...

But a 2 is still a 2, but now he's a jacked, high earning, well dressed 2.

For most women, a HG 5/6 (according to objective standards) is a HG 2 according to women (always trying to "date" the best)! None of the guys I've mentioned is ugly: if anything they are slightly above average. For them, I'm the success story because once in a while I applied a strategy that ACTUALLY WORKS! Dominate a woman into submission and make her temporarily lower the guards: "ugly" guys can DEFINITELY do something about their lives! It's their duty to NEVER accept defeat...

[–]grewapair 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You can waste a lot of your life for very little benefit by "not accepting defeat."

[–]aherne18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can waste a lot of your life for very little benefit by "not accepting defeat."

I think it's best to save your energy and concentrate only on women worth the effort (those you actually want to fuck). You would be surprised how "much" (compared to nothing) you can achieve: life needs a short reprieve (and pointless euphoria).

[–]1WeedDaddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mindsets are mostly mental masturbation. It's like praying: doing something that doesn't have any causal effect to the results, but you think it did have.

Many want to believe that getting laid would be simple. However often success is dependent on social context: how much other men like you (usually because you happened to grow up in the same neighborhood), whether you can do favors for women (get them in private parties, advance them in their career...).

If you have relatives in a gang, get involved in illegal substances, that's one of the easiest ways to easy sex (because it's only available for the connected). On the other hand, if you study, work a lot and dress in suits, you at most get laughed at by young women or called "creepy". The "beta 2.0" is a common theme here. It's the same old beta, but substituting marriage for "awesome hobbies".

Spouting trite advise such as "dress sharp as fuck" is meaningless because people have different ideas of dressing well, many of which are not attractive to women.

What many preach as "self-improvement" is just making you a more self-sacrificing corporate slave or more appealing boy toy.

[–]___Jamie___ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The end goal should be being happy with yourself and maintaining that for the forseeable future. Some people need to be ripped for that and have 5 plates, some need much less.

The HUGE amount of work needed to be put in daily is not what everyone SHOULD do. MGTOW is a valid option if you truly DGAF.

Ask yourself what makes you happy. Even if its something stupid, do it. Red pillers say pussy shouldnt be the goal. If you like sex THAT much make it your goal.

Your happiness is at stake.

[–]diablo_fuentes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At first being confronted by some nice guy/white knight for being a creep can traumatize you. I was traumatized and thought my social skills were still shit. Then I realized that it's easy for those faggots to berate me for being "socially inept" but they were both virgins who never got out of the friend zone. The girl I "creeped out" had no problem with being my dance partner. I still kept my distance for obvious reasons.

Unless sex was involved, you cannot get into any real trouble.

[–]enjoytheloss2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed.

But. Like... Starting a business will take hundreds of hours. You can beat yourself up for not working 5 hours a day on it (after work) or you can grab a beer after doing, say, 2. You can always do more, but consider a bit of life balance so you don't go fucking insane.

[–]Expectations1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Time doesnt wait for anyone.

[–]Degenyamine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But this sub isn't meant for that type of stuff. It's showing men how to live by THEIR own rules, not the rules of someone else. I had a previous post about overcomplicating things and someone had said (and it received a couple of upvotes), You can not have an abundance mentality if you don't have a lot of women already and you can not be non-needy if you don't have access to pussy.

“You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.” ― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

[–]hugonik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

568 upvotes for a wall of text rant giving the worst, most shallow advice in existence ('how to solve my problem?' - 'just stop it!!')

[–]Dude5566 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As another sober man, I appreciated your comments on getting sober.

A couple questions:

What kinds of dates do you like to do sober?

When and how do you tell the girl you are sober?

Thanks.

[–]killthehamster 0 points1 point  (3 children)

This is just recycled motivational speaking, if anyone read the sidebar they'd get this out of it anyway.

Working hard is for chumps as well, you need to work intelligently.

[–]Bulk_king11 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well then obviously they don't read the sidebar thus why you see post of what exactly they should be doing or saying in a said situation. I agree with working intelligently but regardless intelligent work is work and you're working for yourself most importantly not by the rules of someone else. You can sit and watch video after video on how to do something and become intelligent on the matter but until you put in the work and try t for yourself you're not getting anywhere.

I've never heard any successful person say hard work is for chumps.

[–]jackandjill22 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I agree with you. Not everyone has to make huge mistakes to become successful. Not everyone of us are 'Drug-addicts that had to work through it to come out the other side' some of us just require guidance to adapt. My apologies if your situation turned out badly, but our goals are to avoid that same outcome for ourselves.

[–]Bulk_king11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can most certainly learn from others mistakes. Guidance is great. But wanting a step by step guide on life and women isn't practical nor will it help your overall improvement. Most successful people will make a lot of mistakes. It's part of the process. I'm not saying everyone has to become a drug addict. I'm using my situation as an example of excuses I made because I didn't want to be uncomfortable and figure things out for myself. As you see from a lot of men on here.

This is the same as the new guy saying he's just too scared to approach or he doesn't know what to say. "Tell me what to say" no body knows what to say. We learn for ourselves by trail and error. Different things work for different people.

[–]purplecabbage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The edge. You live life on the edge. Not in some cheesy hair-band rock song way, but in the fact that you don't hide. Instead, you come up to the edge of your reality, away from the shadows of your thoughts and fears, and you commit. Come what may, fail fast, then learn. This is what it means to live and learn and be free from fear and regret. u/Bulk_king11 has it right: there is no formula, no manual. If there was, it would be priced into the trade. You have to risk to gain, and failure will happen. What you do when it happens defines the kind of person you are. Who do you want to be?

[–]metallica11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This all comes down to a simple rule: Choice

Once you choose to do the actions that will GET you the results, you realize that success is inevitable.

It's that fucking simple

The fear/uncomfortableness of it all is just filler you have to shove out of the way. It's annoyance.

[–]illusiveab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think it is inherently wrong to ask for advice. It's what any man would and should do if he has experts available to him.

The difference is trying to mitigate your exposure to bad variables by asking questions. The truth is simple: men like you had to be rejected and experience failure to move their lives forward and understand the lessons hidden within those two impostors.

You have to be willing to fail to succeed and you have to be willing to lose girls to get them. You have to be willing to do what's right when you'd rather procrastinate. It's that simple.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It seems like a lot of guys just want to talk about how to get girls rather than putting in the effort to just simply approach and have a conversation. It's mental masturbation for a lot of people here.

The PUA tips and tricks do help though.. Its like a confidence placebo but there's other basic stuff to know like kino, taking the lead, don't blow money on dates, and other basic concepts.. But the second she starts shit testing, or exhibiting some AWALT behavior, most AFCs will abort.

You can have any random conversation or opener that's not spergish with a chick and she'll respond. Canned openers are fucking stupid unless it's a super cheesy pickup line that might make her laugh.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I once got downvoted like, I think -200 for telling a guy who was asking how to fake confidence with women, "don't". I think my advice was sound, though- that a man should never fake confidence, that your confidence should be real, and that your confidence should be gained through your good works in life. That you should go out and do something to be proud of, not look for a cheat code so you can just appear to be confident.

[–]Theophagist -5 points-4 points  (6 children)

Oh my god screw you and your page of motivational platitudes. I see another one of these every other day. Do you know what this is going to do for an unmotivated person? Jack. Stop wasting your breath and cheapening TRP.

This is grown-up time. If you don't have the pre-req's down you don't deserve to talk with the grown-ups.

[–]Bulk_king11 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Helping men by telling them to stop making excuses for themselves to take action isn't what I would call motivational. It's more of an eye opener to some. I have already got PM from multiple people saying it has helped them along with other post I have written. What are you contributing to this sub besides negativity?

[–]SavageStalker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He's contributing his insecurity...sounds about right here. Smile, your on reddit! You're in denial Theophagist, open up your mind to the possible outcomes which may spell positive rewards for you. Denial is the path of self destruction.

[–]Theophagist -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

It's more of an eye opener to some

This is the point I am trying to make. You can not open a person's eyes. A person who comes here is motivated and wins or unmotivated and fails. These "man up" posts don't do anything but feed the ego of the OP.

[–]Bulk_king11 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The reason for this post was two things. The one comment I had mentioned in the post how people clearly had this idea that you can not be successful with women. Or achieve a non needy strong frame of abundance without having already drowning in pussy. That they need to improve outter game before they could improve inner game. Which is false.

And because I get asked all the time about what men can do to improve their social skills or get better with women or confidence. I tell them ways/principles in which helped me gain this inner confidence and how they can figure it out in their own way. They alway respond with Excuses of why they won't or can't approach, why they won't do what it takes. And it's just them making excuses because they are afraid of failure.

That was the intention of this post if you may have misinterpreted it.

[–]Theophagist -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Your intents are clearly positive, and good on you for your effort. But you're still hand-holding through sidebar content.

I tell them ways/principles in which helped me gain this inner confidence and how they can figure it out in their own way.

This is where we clash most. Your ideas, while sound, aren't particularly unique or impressive. It appears you're trying to reach the unreached by putting training wheels on the sidebar. I believe that men who can comprehend already do comprehend. Those who don't deserve to fail and shouldn't be regarded as community members worth your effort.

[–]Bulk_king11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All I am doing is reiterating principles that work for me and lessons I am learning on my life journey. These post are mostly for me to reflect on while helping others who are dealing with similar shit along the way. the side bar is obviously filled with stuff that works. So it doesn't hurt to remind others of what works through personal examples

[–]rajesh8162 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sometimes there is just no incentive!

[–]SwissPablo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In my experience making the decision to do something and following through with it is actually more difficult that doing the actual thing you are planning to do ie actually getting up and on the bike is harder than actually doing the cycling.

And more often than not I'm glad I made that effort.