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Men's RightsPump and dump rule #1: Always send text after. (self.TheRedPill)

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This is a short post but VERY important.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3731355/Professional-rugby-player-cleared-raping-Tinder-date.html

Summary: An alpha professional rugby player pumps and dumps a tinder date. The girl is not happy then makes fake rape accusations and takes him to court. The rugby player through a long court process is eventually found not guilty.

Lessons Learned:

All of this could have been avoided by sending a text after the encounter.

Something like "I had fun tonight, we should do this again ;)".

Do this even if you don't want to see her again.

When she replies positively you can use this as evidence if the bitch decides she wants to bring up false accusations about you.

The law will NOT be on your side and it set up to favour women, it is important to cover your back.


[–]FinallyRed 129 points130 points  (12 children)

The last point is equally crucial. Don't talk to the police without a lawyer.

[–]ransay3277 25 points26 points  (0 children)

This is so true. Too many guys forget the 1st rule of dealing with these things is to keep your mouth shut!

[–]ramaga 54 points55 points  (2 children)

Lawyer here. You're 100% right. When I was in law school I was running late for an appointment early one morning, slid on black ice when taking a curve, and plowed into some trees. I was the only person involved. I ran back to the house I was renting to make some calls (this was in pre-cell phone days). My roommate and I returned to the scene a few minutes later & the cops had arrived. I was in the middle of going on and on to the cops about what happened when my roommate pulled me aside and whispered "Are you trying to talk yourself into a reckless driving charge?"

If a 3rd year law student can make that mistake, a layman surely will. Never talk to the cops.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

FACT. That video of the lawyer stating don't talk to the police and learning the truth that police work for the state AKA prosecution truly turned me off to the fact of talking to them as IF they are gonna help me.

Biggest RP knowledge and helpful to know in this day and age. Thanks.

[–]RedPillFreedom 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've had issues and had bullshit extravagant charges due to my naivety, negligence and believing that they were going to help me if I professed the truth.

I have a friend that was kicked out of college due to drug charges. He got it down from manufacturing to some simple $300 fine. Please, advise me on how to find a good lawyer. The ones my family has connected me with are trash. 2k and they suggest doing what I would already do as a BP layman.

Please, give me some solid RP lawyer advice. I need to make sure that I have a guy or a few that I can call if everything goes downhill. I can't request or start googling from the jail cell or the day of a false rape accusation. I would like to prepare for the shit before it hits the fan. I try to apply that to everything in life and calibrate accordingly.

[–]CaptainRelevant 31 points32 points  (1 child)

[–]PaperbackParrot 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Everybody needs to watch this. It is an hour of your life you will never regret. Very Informative

[–]SterlingEastwood 6 points7 points  (0 children)

NEVER talk to them. They're not there for you (doesn't matter how right you are), they just want information from you at all costs.

[–]ScarletNumbers 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Yes, but keep in mind this story wasn't in America.

[–]FinallyRed 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I can't imagine a single reason to talk to the police no matter where you are, unless they're gonna fuck you up. I imagine that type of police is looking for money though, not information.

[–]ScarletNumbers 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, but the right to remain silent isn't universal.

[–]trpthroway123 91 points92 points  (7 children)

Google the guy's name.

"Rugby star accused of rape left girl feeling she had been 'bucked and ..."

"Professional rugby player Zach Kibirige accused of raping a woman ..."

"Newcastle Falcons' Zach Kibirige 'raped girl he met on Tinder' court ..."

"England rugby player Zach Kibirige 'raped a woman after they met on ..."

"Rugby star accused of raping Tinder date says she was angry he - Mirror"

"Newcastle Falcons rugby star Zach Kibirige 'raped woman several ..."

These are the full headlines, nothing added or removed.

Cleared or not, the mere accusation is life changing, especially if you're someone in the public eye.

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    [–]SterlingEastwood 35 points36 points  (1 child)

    This is so fucking bad. You're not even found guilty yet your name is all over the place connected with raping. This shit should stop (but it won't, sensationalism > reality)

    [–]vagbutters 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    This shit should stop

    That's the soft way of putting it. The actual way this should be phrased is that false rape accusations should be met with legal punishment. You shouldn't be able to slander and ruin a man's life then walk away scot-free. The man most definitely won't be living the same life he had before as a result of it.

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Damn, only one single result on the whole page didn't say "Rape."

    [–]Geleemann 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    She isn't even good looking. 4/10

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Um, that's his current girlfriend. She was testifying on his behalf.

    The bitch who accused him of rape doesn't get her face plastered anywhere. Nor does she get her name released. For some reason.

    [–][deleted] 336 points337 points  (37 children)

    The thing I'm wondering is why the accuser's name is not plastered all over this story. She should be dragged through the mud for something like this.

    It's really sad how men have to go to these lengths to protect themselves, even if there is ZERO evidence of rape.

    [–]Phantom-furious 40 points41 points  (2 children)

    Same bullshit happened to Patrick Kane last summer. Cost him a spot on the cover on NHL 16. Did EA or the media ever issue an apology? You bet your ass they didn't.

    [–]Camberlain 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    Even if you are a rich and famous...if you are a young White man its not going to save you when the SJW lynch mob comes after you.

    Those of us without millions of dollars to hire lawyers are even more screwed.

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    The SJW lynch mob... chills

    [–][deleted] 134 points135 points  (13 children)

    Because doing that would discourage other false rape claims, while simultaneously discouraging real rape claims. "It's better to ruin a few dudes lives than let one rapist go free"

    [–]the_calibre_cat 43 points44 points  (2 children)

    "It certainly seems reasonable that a school for its own purposes might want to use a preponderance of evidence standard, or even a lower standard. Perhaps a likelihood standard…. If I was running a (private college) I might say, well, even if there is only a 20 or 30 percent chance that it happened, I would want to remove this individual."

    "It seems like we ought to provide more of a legal framework, then, that allows a reasonable likelihood standard or a preponderance of evidence standard. If there are 10 people who have been accused, and under a reasonable likelihood standard maybe one or two did it, it seems better to get rid of all 10 people. We’re not talking about depriving them of life or liberty, we’re talking about them being transferred to another university, for crying out loud.”

    That is Congressman Jared Polis, representing Colorado's 2nd congressional district. This man is elected "to represent half of the population."

    [–]unicorn-carousel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Yuck. Back in civics class I learned that in the US we prefer to let a guilty person walk free than to lock up an innocent one. I don't know if that's ever been true because I'm young, but I sure believed in it.

    [–]chinawinsworlds 41 points42 points  (1 child)

    Which is funny because it's supposed to be "it's better to let a few rapists go free than ruin an innocent man's life".

    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    Feminists have twisted that around for their own purposes.... as usual

    [–]Camberlain 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    This is EXACTLY how the US goverment instructed colleges to act when they required a preponderance standard in college rape accusations.

    A preponderance standard means that 49 innocent young men being punished as rapists is fine as long as 51 guilty men are punished.

    [–]MrMetalFingers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I could definitely be wrong, but it's been my understanding that the universities are the ones dictating policy to the US government through the populus, not the other way around. Just my 2 cents.

    I think it was on darkenlightenment that I read that it was on a 20-40 year delay approximately from campus to caucus.

    edit: second bit added

    [–]getRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Are colleges courts? I will never understand that

    [–]Theophagist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    "It's better to ruin a few dudes lives than let one rapist go free"

    The sick notion that justice for one is more valuable than the freedom of another.

    [–]stay_anon_stay_safe -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    "It's better to ruin a few dudes lives than let one rapist go free"

    boy does this sound wrong

    if you were to say this on like facebook people would go fucking nuts on you

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Well facebook is a gynocentric female validation machine. Of course it would go badly. Facebook is like the audience of a doctor phill show.

    This is the safest place we have for calling bs on some sideways shit.

    [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (9 children)

    Especially because his already has been. It doesn't matter how thoroughly he was proven innocent, there will still be a lot of people believing that he's a rapist for the rest of his life.

    This probably won't hurt someone of his SMV but a regular guy could have his life completely ruined if every Google search of his name revealed he was accused of rape.

    [–]globst 18 points19 points  (8 children)

    It could get worse. The accused could commit suicide and then a year later his mum too.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/mother-of-son-who-hanged-himself--after-being-falsely-accused-of/

    [–]putin_vor 12 points13 points  (5 children)

    Why these people don't murder the false accusers instead of themselves? They ruined your life, why not avenge yourself?

    [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children)

    I know what you mean, but then she would be arrested and her life would be ruined anyways. Damn, having your own son kill himself because he was falsely accused of rape would be hard to live with. Jesus fuck, that story irritates me.

    Like seriously, how the fuck can the accuser live knowing that their false accusation forced a kid to kill himself? She should be in jail.

    [–]putin_vor 12 points13 points  (3 children)

    That's the thing, her life is ruined anyways, to the point she killed herself. Why not take the responsible evil cunt with her?

    [–]stay_anon_stay_safe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    because she is a caring person who does not care for revenge

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    That's a pretty good point. That cunt who made the false accusation has a special place in hell.

    [–]The_Floating_Dick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I don't think that the decision to kill herself was grounded in rationality. I guess the mother was more depressed because of the loss of son, than angry at the false accuser, which led her to the choice of 'ending the suffering' and not revenge.

    [–]Rodion-Raskolnikov 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Fucking hell that makes me rage.

    [–]haxurmind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It could get worse. The accused could commit suicide and then a year later his mum too.

    Shit like that is why I would whole heartedly support any means used to see justice, not revenge, upon those who falsely accuse others of rape.

    Disgusting.

    [–]LordThunderbolt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Because it's his job to press charges. If he doesn't sue she's in the clear.

    [–]aanarchist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    if there were actually consequences for false rape accusations, there would be no false rape accusations.

    [–][deleted]  (6 children)

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      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

      I'm confused by your comment. I don't know the name of the accuser.

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        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        oh ok. Yeah, that I can definitely get behind. I'm telling you, if you ever start making in the 6 figures or become extremely wealthy, prostitutes/escorts is starting to look like a better option for sex.

        You pay, you get sex and don't have to worry about headaches regarding the false accusations. I know it's frowned down upon, but it doesn't seem like a bad option.

        [–]vagbutters 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        f you ever start making in the 6 figures or become extremely wealthy, prostitutes/escorts is starting to look like a better option for sex.

        What do you think the corporate and political elite do? You think those super rich old dudes are banging their haggard wives? Nope-- they're paying for harems of young women who respect confidentiality (since they know they'll have an "accident" if they were to ever leak the identity of their clients).

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Yep. I am originally from New York and I was in high school around the time the Eliot Spitzer prostitution scandal happened. He was the New York governor back then. At the time, I was thinking to myself, "why would a married man pay for prostitutes?"

        Now, it makes so much sense. Even if the wife is hot, she can be nagging and all that and not put out. Banging a random chick you meet at a bar can land you in trouble, because she might rat you out. Prostitutes won't rat you out and you don't have to waste time "gaming" them or dealing with their bullshit.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_scandal

        [–]vagbutters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Honestly Spitzer isn't even what I'm talking about (although the general principle holds the same) since he's still on the low-end of this wealth/power spectrum. The super corporate/political elite have connections to high-end prostitutes that would never result in a scandal, I imagine-- women they fuck because they can afford to do so.

        [–]MagicGainbow 53 points54 points  (5 children)

        I always ask for them to send me a text that they've gotten home safe.

        [–]Swelfie 33 points34 points  (3 children)

        Same. And I throw in some lovey duvey words about how wonderful they are, goodnight sweetheart, whatever. A sweet transaction over txt not only serves as evidence if needed, but generally leaves her feeling good about the experience so you will likely never need it anyway. If you are all "k. Thx. Bye." That's what gets the hamster spinning and causes her to formulate how wrong what you did was.

        [–]ScarletNumbers 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        Yes, this is what did Kobe Bryant in.

        [–]RememberWhenEye 14 points15 points  (1 child)

        When they DNA tested thr bitch he fucked they found cum from 3 separate men in her. True Story.

        [–]dingman58 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Professional ho bagging top athletes, honestly I'm not surprised she had so much goo plugging her plumbing. Awalt.

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        [–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 33 points34 points  (2 children)

        Giomeshi had that thrown at him.

        The more interaction you have afterwards, the better. The alternative is not having it, so there's really no discussion on a better strategy, other than taping interactions

        [–]GuitarHero07 29 points30 points  (1 child)

        There was the recent St. Paul School rape case. A popular senior had sex with a freshman who later accused him of rape. They exchanged e-mails indicating that they both had a great time. This resulted in him being found not guilty of rape but he was still found guilty of having sex with a minor and "using a computer to lure a minor." He still got fucked, but it would have been MUCH MUCH worse if the e-mails weren't available as evidence.

        [–]Limekill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Its ALL about damage minimisation.

        [–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The line that Mattress Girl and her Jizzabell entourage used was "theres no such thing as a perfect victim".

        So if you said "how come she texted that she had a great time" or "why has she now released a sex tape and said that anyone who watches it is 'raping' her?" then people would shout at you "no such thing as a perfect victim!!!!"

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 45 points46 points  (6 children)

        Fucking funny right. When women don't want to see you anymore they just ghost away. No word, nothing- socially acceptable.

        If you as a guy find yourself not wanting to further associate with the girl you are called a rapist. That's off the wall mental.

        All the times women have flaked on me and I never took them to court.. smh

        [–]1jcromero 18 points19 points  (4 children)

        Think about it this way:

        God could reach down from the sky and plop you down somewhere completely foreign and chances are that you'll end up fine. However women aren't able to do that. They're heavily reliant on their social networks for survival. For a female, getting dumped is about the worst punishment they can go through.

        That being said, if you're breaking up with a chick, chances are she probably deserves it. Don't get me wrong, she probably has something mentally wrong with her that merits her getting dumped.

        My advice when dumping is girl is to be as kind as possible. It just better to be on good terms with people. Women try to do that with guys, that's why they do that really passive aggressive flaking thing. They're just trying not to hurt your feelings. Try to be considerate otherwise they'll do crazy shit like spread rumors, get dudes to attack you, and try to take you court.

        I've been through a false rape accusation. Basically, if you happen to sleep with an unstable person (and there are SO MANY out there), it's your responsibility not to upset them too much. They're essentially just really hurt and bitter for losing your support and commitment. They're just looking for a reason to ruin your life.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 15 points16 points  (3 children)

        My advice when dumping is girl is to be as kind as possible. It just better to be on good terms with people. Women try to do that with guys, that's why they do that really passive aggressive flaking thing. They're just trying not to hurt your feelings. Try to be considerate otherwise they'll do crazy shit like spread rumors, get dudes to attack you, and try to take you court

        Yeah I really doubt it, sure plates and dates flake in this passive aggressive way. Their not trying to save your feelings. They might need you later on. Once they decide they don't need you in their lives however- out comes the devil. After having witnessed and experienced the way most women break up with their men nowadays (lots of drama, crazy shit, gut wrenching words) I am far from being considerate when I dump a girl.

        I will do so in the way that best suits me and my goals whilst ensuring she's cut out of my life. If she's been a cunt I will punish and if she's been nice I'll make it quick. But in no way am I gonna let them off easy.

        Women aren't weak, good natured, easy to break creatures- that's the kind of blue pill bullshit that brought us here in the first place. Call me jaded but I think it's about time men quit throwing their backs out for these bitches.

        An eye for an eye right.

        [–]1jcromero 6 points7 points  (2 children)

        Really? I've actually only noticed women will break up with dudes for two reasons:

        1. They realize they don't have the set of tools to be able to deal with you and your. This usually goes hand in hand with them preparing to swing branches

        2. They fake break up with you to try to get you to commit to them more. It's really manipulative and immature, but it often works.

        Women are physically weaker than men. That's just pure biology. Plus there's also a lot of social pressure for them to be extremely unassertive and passive/passive-aggressive. It's super common for them to flake like that. It's because they're socially taught to be as sweet as possible. Anyway, that's what my female therapist explained to me after I made the EXACT same complaint that you did haha.

        A girl that is intentionally trying to hurt you usually does so because she secretly still has some really strong feelings for you and she wants your attention. That's what shit tests are all about. The problem is that some women (the super damaged ones) take it to an extreme level that can be unbearable.

        Look, I can totally see that you're really upset about some things in the past. But there are just some things you can't control, and holding onto that pain is just going to make you super bitter and unhappy.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        A girl that is intentionally trying to hurt you usually does so because she secretly still has some really strong feelings for you and she wants your attention. That's what shit tests are all about. The problem is that some women (the super damaged ones) take it to an extreme level that can be unbearable.

        insightful.. yet I can't forgive the couple of girls who tried to kill my soul in that way just for the sakes of attention. they might get my attention back but it won't be pretty.

        it also depends I think, sometimes a girl tried to hurt me when she tried to break it off. trying to create drama so she had an excuse to ditch me. because she was branch swinging. that's also one of the ways they do it.

        if they hurt you after the break up or before then she's trying to get attention yeah. but also trying to make you slip up like a beta. so she could get 'over you'.

        i've learned to let go reasonably well. i wouldn't hold it against women if it was a single incident. i've seen friends and family get absolutely killed by their SO. for no reason other than that they were 'in the way' or not behaving as expected. that's what happens when you teach young girls that men are emotionless pigs who rape. they view us like the enemies until we are.

        [–]5t3fan0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        who's really expecting men and women to react teh same way? we are different genders after all.

        for men the sex act ends with the jizz, but for women it goes on and on even for days.... and during this time it could turn more rapey depending on feelz.

        [–][deleted] 99 points100 points  (12 children)

        Now, she should get exactly the sentence he would have gotten for rape as a punishment for her false allegations.

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          [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (7 children)

          Probably, but she would get a very minimal sentence. My point was that when a woman accuses falsely a man of rape (and I think this should apply to any human falsely accusing another human of a crime with the purpose of causing prejudice) should receive the sentence that the person they accused risked if found guilty. Of course malicious intent would have to be proven out of any doubt, but if it is, then the penalty should be defined according to the intensity of the accusation. You falsely accuse someone of theft and they risk 2 years? You get 2 years. You falsely accuse someone of rape and they risk 15 years + being on a sex offender list? You get 15 years + you get listed as a sex offender.

          [–]manelsen 6 points7 points  (5 children)

          You falsely accuse someone of rape and they risk 15 years + being on a sex offender list? You get 15 years + you get listed as a sex offender.

          Actually , fair enough. There's close to 100% chance of him being raped in prison, so it makes a false accuser a 2nd degree rapist.

          [–]LordThunderbolt -1 points0 points  (4 children)

          Well, that would suck for actual rape victims that just don't have enough evidence to back them up against their real rapists. A better solution would be to have defamation of character, attempt at false but lawful punishment with malicious intent, or some other type of charge like that be accepted in a court as a counter lawsuit.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          That's why I said that malicious intent would need to be proven out of any doubt.

          [–]199639 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          that would suck for actual rape victims that just don't have enough evidence to back them up against their real rapists

          This is commonly said but it's quite wrong. The amount of evidence needed to convict the false accuser would need to be BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. The amount of evidence needed to conclude the falsely accused is innocent is much lower, merely enough to create a reasonable doubt. So in other words, a court ruling not guilty on the first accusation does not in any way mean they would rule guilty on the second case.

          [–]manelsen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I wholeheartedly agree. That's why I propose to use the same standard of evidence for rape-rape and cry-wolf-rape prosecution

          [–]CypherWolf21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          There's a difference between failing to prove a crime has taken place which is the scenario you pose and the one posed above. If you fail to prove a rape occurred then nothing happens to any party - there shouldn't be consequences for the accused because there is insufficient evidence to convict. Similarly there shouldn't be consequences for the accuser because she might very well be telling the truth.

          If however the prosecutor fails to prove a rape occurred AND the defence proves the action was false and malicious I.e. The accuser recants or the story of the accuser can be proved to be a fabrication then consequences aught to be levelled. At present, the false accuser would have committed perjury - a crime carrying a five year maximum sentence. What the commenter above is suggesting is that perjury with malicious intent should carry a sentence reflecting the severity of the lie and the consequences faced by the defamed party.

          The main problems not addressed are the fact that prosecutors refuse to convict false accusers of perjury. The fact that sexual assaults invert the rule of law with the presumption of "guilty until proven innocent and perhaps not even then". The strict liability nature of sexual assault laws. And most importantly the reputation ap damage suffered by the accused.

          While you could bring forth a civil suit for calumny, most of the time the costs of doing so are prohibitive and it's likely the false accuser has no money to pay out.

          [–]ReadyToMolestYou 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Personally I'd prefer it if the punishment for false rape claims was to actually be raped.

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          It would be "fair" but also very barbaric.

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Really lol? You downvoted me? So you really believe that the woman should be raped? By who? Are we going to hire state sanctioned men who will rape women as a form of legal punishment? That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard lol...

          [–]no_face 22 points23 points  (2 children)

          This is one of the reasons to prefer a few quality relationships, carefully vetted than to just go after a high notch count.

          The numbers game ensures that eventually you will run into a psycho.

          [–]ArkAngelEV 13 points14 points  (0 children)

          this game we play, its all mathematics

          [–]AnAbsoluteSith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Amen brother. I've adopted the same approach and it takes a lot of stress out of the equation. I have some plates that have been spinning on and off for some years now. They run like clockwork and I haven't encountered any sketchy behaviour yet. Maybe I'm just risk averse and lazy, but quality > quantity when it comes to this game every time.

          [–]thuglife9001 16 points17 points  (1 child)

          And theres no repercussions for falsely accusing? Who am I kidding of course there isn't.

          [–]LordThunderbolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I think there is but it's the job of the innocent to press charges and go for that lawsuit.

          [–]Lookin4SomethingReal 13 points14 points  (1 child)

          From the article: When asked in police interview why he did not get back in touch with the victim after her friend contacted him, accusing him of rape, he said: 'I thought when I read it, I can't believe what she's saying.

          Smart guy. Refuses contact with the lunatic after hearing of these ridiculous claims. People who submit false rape claims should have their name plastered all over the place.

          [–]Countpudyoola 11 points12 points  (8 children)

          Not sure a text from you to her could constitute anything , especially if she doesn't respond.

          There's an old rumor that Chuck Berry would take Polaroids of him and girls that were dtf with them naked and smiling before he'd have sex with them.

          If I were a celeb I'd take this route if screwing fans.

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            [–]Venny_1 16 points17 points  (0 children)

            evidence of non-guilt

            Goes to show you how fucked up the justice system in many western countries are, where an individual (usually a man) in rape cases has to prove his innocence, rather than the plaintiff proving the guilt of the accused. This is a milestone for both the justice system and feminism, where the former turns corrupt, and the latter achieving a fucked up, unjust, immoral goal in the name of "equality".

            Also, this subtitle bullet had me screaming inside:

            Today he was cleared of all the charges following trial in Newcastle.

            The subtle linguistic is abit scary i find. It's not that charges didn't sit on solid ground, but rather that he was cleared of them, as in he had to put in effort to clear his name, not have the accusing bitch provide proof to besmirch his name and reputation.

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              [–]HS-Thompson 6 points7 points  (2 children)

              Of course. But if you've got a jury in your future it's probably going to have people on it that aren't fucking retarded and know what does and doesn't look like people having a normal conversation.

              [–]GreatWhiteCuck 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              Fun fact - 9 out of 10 people are fucking retarded

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This right here. Which is why we're in the predicament we're in in the west.

              [–]2Overkillengine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Which is why one is wise to pile on so many factors in your favor so as to bury them in the courts of law and public opinion the moment they try (or else team false accusation risks blowing their cover of plausible deniability).

              [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

              If I were to be this dude, could I bring her to court and charge her with slander?

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                [–]grewapair 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                No doubt she doesn't have a dime.

                [–]Imadeausernamewow 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                This is something I've thought of quite a bit.

                In this guys circumstance it wouldn't have helped (sex at her place), but I've thought very seriously of getting a hidden recording device to prevent this issue. There are online merchants that sell motion detecting "nanny cams"/recording devices that will start capturing video as soon as they are triggered.

                It's not ideal I know, and it might not even be admissable evidence, but responding to a rape claim with "no I didn't, I've got it on camera" would be a nice failsafe in the off chance this occurs. Would probably make some girl think twice.

                I'm not even advocating this for personal pleasure or even reliving the moment, but in today's day and age a man cannot be too safe or have too much protection from false claims that can damage his reputation.

                [–]HS-Thompson 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                I'm always amazed at the disparity between British men and women. The men are usually quite above average looking, and typically better dressed and more fashionable than their equivalent in the US, but the women are so fucking ugly. Like an typical British HB9 would be maybe a 4 in New York. Which I suppose explains why that busted ass chick in the photo is dating a professional athlete.

                [–]ArkAngelEV 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                I agree that good standard practice. Maybe just a simple, that was fun. Period. No need to extend an olive branch with the do it again part unless you really do want to do it again

                [–]1naMlliPdeR 4 points5 points  (6 children)

                You guys cry too much. It's quite simple. Not a single girl I've had a one night stand with has ever even known my last name, where I live, etc. They know nothing about me. Vanishing is easy, as is ghosting.

                [–]Tscio 5 points6 points  (5 children)

                Then write us a guide on your method hotshot.

                [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

                tl;dr: no last name, not at residence, no personal information, ghost.

                [–]Tscio 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Not at residence. Alright where then?

                For those of us that don't have multiple pads throughout the city that leaves us with some options that are gonna get a lot of resistance: hotel, her place, public.

                [–]bigcitytruth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Her place. Make out in the taxi. "Do you have roommates." Make out more. "I'll drop you off at your building." Outside of the cab, romantically push her up against the wall, make out heavily. Sweeps her off her feet. Go to the building. At the elevators, "I'll walk you to your door." Be playful. At the door, make out and ask something silly like "You gonna open that door? I am thirsy, I want some water." Boom, you're in.

                [–]1naMlliPdeR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Thanks. I have a hard time doing a tl;dr. To condense so much into a single line... you're one talented writer.

                [–]Lsegundo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                The court heard how the victim messaged him a thumbs up emoji after he left her home followed by a message which said 'bucked and ditched.'

                She had said the 'attack' had left her feeling unsafe, but she admitted having a night out at a bar the evening after.

                They need to start punishing the manipulative bitches that make false rape claims. The evidence and verdict, and especially the two quotes I posted, make a very strong case that the bitch made a false rape claim to try to get revenge.

                The slut still was allowed to punish him with stress and financially with legal fees. Who is up for some $20,000/hour tinder pussy?

                [–]harsha_hs 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Crucial post! People who have got into false accusations will know value of this post!

                [–]huge_gap 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                I'm pretty sure her admission of having a good time does nothing in the court of law. Might help pursuade a jury though.

                [–]Redforeman777 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Your two statements don't go together lol. "convince a jury" = name of the game

                [–]huge_gap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Well spoke with a buddy of mine and he believes that her admitting she had a good time goes to the heart of the matter regarding consent, so it would likely be admissible and help your case.

                So, it's a good idea.

                [–]bloodshot_eyes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Truth be told, even this will not be enough in the future. The vanguard of the rape industry is hard at work trying to convince the courts that "sometimes wymyn react differently to being raped! sometimes they try to placate their rapist and pretend that everything is ok!".

                It's one of the most appalling examples of women's logic. When the accusation of rape is enough to prove a rape took place, then any behavior after the fact must be the behavior of a rape victim. Doesn't matter if she was all smiles and sunshine, dancing in a green meadow of dandelions. If she claims rape, then that dandelion dance is "her way of coping with the trauma".

                Just look at the Jian Gomeshi trial. He used this exact strategy: document document document. It burned those haridans who tried to use the justice system to exact their petty revenge. But in the aftermath of the trial, what do we hear? "The system is flawed! We need to change things to make it easier to convict rapists [lol] instead of letting them walk!". And how do you think they will do that? By making anything that the accuser says, before or after, to be inadmissible. This will include safety texts.

                All we can do is stay ahead of the curve. This strategy will work - for now. Pay attention to what our enemies are scheming though, and always always CYA.

                [–]Temptationn 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                Good rule. After a one night stand text her saying "I had a good time tonight, I think I love you" you won't have to worry about her anymore.

                [–]Short-changedChad 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                I know you are making a humorous observation, but don't do this even as a joke as the hamster might bite back.

                She could think: He loves me? Shit this fucker is beta. I don't have sex with betas. He tricked me into having sex with him by pretending to be alpha. Now I feel stupid and disgusting. Why? It's not my fault though is it? It can't be. I'm perfect. Must have been rape. OMG!! Now not only can I absolve the guilt of being played I can get free attention and get to play the victim. Hell I might even get money or famous.... I wonder if they have decaf at the police station as I am on a diet...ooooh look a puppy...

                [–]Silver-Monk_Shu 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Don't have sex anymore if you think like that.

                [–]Short-changedChad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Or just don't tell women you love them.

                [–]bigcitytruth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Aside from legally covering your ass for this worst case scenario, it's a good idea to send that "button-up" text so she feels warm n fuzzy instead of regretful, so she'll always remember you in a good light. If you do this consistently, you'll get random "Hi what R U up to" texts months down the line that build up into recurring booty calls from different plates.

                [–]Lord-Kek 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                This is the reason I film all my adult encounters. No. Seriously. It is.....

                [–]ReddittFeist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                There are a number of articles out there on how to avoid and how to defeat false rape charges.

                This should be the topic of a sidebar. It is one of the most concerning areas of danger for guys today.

                A very good place to start is here.

                http://www.dangerandplay.com/2011/09/21/how-to-avoid-a-false-rape-case/

                Note that the OP's point about texting after is recommended by everyone who writes about FRA safety.

                Text records have literally saved guys from destruction of their entire lives.

                Also common is the rule "feed her in the morning"

                Not always possible, but make her breakfast, or even better, let her make it for you, or take her out for breakfast. IME this is huge. Stops ASD and the "he used me" feelings"

                In fact, the Zach Kibirige case was a case of a guy having to take off first thing in the morning and the girl feeling entitled to morning-after intimacy, and going to the extreme of a FRA to assage her feelings of being "bucked & ditched"

                Never underestimate the crazy shit women will do on the basis of feelings alone.

                [–]GreatWhiteCuck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Solid strat. Thought of this myself.

                [–]Highly_Tingled 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                This is golden advice.

                Good post.

                [–]victor_knight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Well, I suppose if she already knows who you really are, the text helps. Otherwise, don't give her a way to find you.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                /u/MoneyStatusLooks You definetly should post more here. I like the shorter straight to the punch knowledge than the mental masturbation posts others put on here.

                [–]1v1crown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                These things are out of control. Did the false-accuser go to jail I hope?

                [–]vagbutters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Even post-text conversations are risky business. What if she doesn't reply back? What if she's actually smart enough to cover her tracks to make the story look one-sided? You always fully vet out a woman before you fuck her, or you're taking huge risks. Find out if she has any STD's, find out if she's the kind of unhinged bitch who'll pull the rape card, etc.

                [–]Moneyley 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                I still have screenshots with the phone number and the girl's name where we were sexting from 3 years ago. I think about erasing but then shit like this happens and I keep it. Not sure that as men, we are ever in the clear. Look at how far back Bill Cosby has his accusers...they went decades and suddenly decided it was time.

                [–]DrainPipeCleaning 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                What I don't understand is the fact that if this text message were to be saved, how could it not be accused of being photoshop?

                [–]BowlOfCandy 8 points9 points  (4 children)

                You can get transcripts from your wireless carrier.

                [–]Moneyley 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                is that true? I thought they could only be attained if they were subpoenaed. Its great if we could, nonetheless, I still save them. I make sure to keep the extra juicy ones so that in the event that ever happened, everybody could hear how big of a slut she is.

                [–]ScarletNumbers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Well if there is a trial of course they can be subpoenaed.

                [–]LuvBeer 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                As a matter of course I take a post-fuck (clothed) selfie with the girl when possible. This serves both as a memory of a nice time, and as evidence if she later decides it wasn't a nice time.

                [–]Bulk_king11 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                Good luck getting her to do that without making you look like a creep. Hey before you go can you take a picture with me? Uhh..

                [–]LuvBeer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                You might be surprised what girls are willing to do. Taking a selfie is the least of it.

                [–]grass_cutter 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Article said they swapped 1000+ WhatsApp messages.

                Holy shit.

                I've been sleeping with a girl over a year, and we probably have just about as much, half of them pictures. Yeah, that's got to be an orgy of evidence.

                There goes your text theory too, if he Whatsapped her a million times.

                I've had ONS (I wouldn't say pump and dump, sounds like the woman doesn't enjoy it). The women didn't care. Maybe a twinge, who knows. Sounds this guy built up some Disney Princess Fantasy to get her vag, spanning thousands of "i wuv you" messages, and then she became a woman scorned. When you pick up a barfly they usually know how it works.

                [–]PaulAJK -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                Yeah, that 1000+ messaging is the giveaway I think. He betafied himself with those, relying only on his looks to get his way. Then he walked out after the bang and never contacted her again.

                Her hamster couldn't handle it, hence the rape claim.

                [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                she went super needy right after he left. He got turned off

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                [–]dickcomments 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                What app are you using to do this?

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                How legally solid are text messages? Certainly there would be a record that a text was sent / received, but does the service provider actually store the text content of every message? (asking from the US here)

                [–]1jcromero 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                They store them for a very limited amount of time. It's really inconvenient evidence

                [–]inspiron3000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                They store them for as long as the intelligence agencies need them, that is forever.

                [–]Apha365Omega 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                You have dropped a gem. thank you.

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