Rant/VentingA not so gentle red pill truth: Status, SMV, and why the way others see you matters a lot. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by StumpinToVictory

Lately, there has been an uptick in posts on this sub that completely disregard the value of SMV, status, and all that. Posts that talk about how a guy is edgy or "cool" for wanting to be this "lone wolf" type of person. The guy who is too good to associate with people or has taken so much of the red pill that normal people bore him, he doesn't even need to chat with them as they are just so out of touch with reality compared to him. Well, this is the not so gentle red pill truth all of you in here need to hear, as much as you may hate it.

For a long time, the red pill has been accommodating the kinds of people who decide to stay in on the weekends, play WOW, and yet see themselves as "alpha" because they read a bunch of posts on the red pill. Today is not going to be so gentle to you.

Status, SMV, and how others see you matters a lot; it is practically everything.

Being popular matters, a lot.

It's like high school never ended.

If you wanted to date the hottest girls, go to the best parties, and not end up being the kid that got bullied; your status was what validated you. I mean it even carried over on to college where you saw frat boys with dad bods dating hot girls because of their status. It's simple, the reason you're learning all of this shit on the red pill and reading the sidebar is so you can do something about it. By just reading the red pill posts, coming across edgy (yet truthful) knowledge, and then going back to your loner lifestyle; you missed the point.

Being a loner that sucks with girls and with people yet sees them as angels is not really that different from being the bitter loner that took the pill and now still sucks with girls and people. You are a brand and your value matters in the world, whether you like it or not, you're being judged.

The whole game is a lot more objective than you may think.

A Victoria Secret supermodel has a higher SMV than a Rosie O Donnel lookalike. Likewise, a Leonardo DiCaprio has a higher value than some loner shut in who hates people because he has "seen the truth". So when the loners on here start dissing high value guys that get laid, party, sleep around, and give us all a lecture about morals and everything; realize that you are on a sub which is based on sexual strategy. Realize that objectively, the Chad who gets laid and has friends is worth way more to society than a loner shut in who people hardly know exists.

"But, they're being so low value by seeking approval of others and wanting to make friends, I rather be edgy because I am too cool for people!"

You don't get it! The cool kids in high school figured it out a long long time ago, that is how they avoided being the ones who were bullied and that is how they ended up being the ones who partied, had fun, and enjoyed amazing experiences. On the other hand, the weirdo loner who decided that his videogames and his nerdy hobbies (that he openly expressed) were what matters, he got ignored at best and bullied at worst.

The real world isn't really all that different. I am sure you heard stories of the former high school loser who magically turned it around and started kicking ass as an adult. Well, he did that specifically because he decided to lose his nerdy ways (or at least conceal them more) and become the guy who cares about how he presents himself to the world.

So the guy who is having a three way with a couple of HB9s while you're sitting at home tonight watching porn, he realized this not so gentle truth.

The guy who gets that high paying job and has his bosses and coworkers respecting him, he realized this not so gentle truth.

The guy who has people sticking up for him and respecting him while the hate you, he realized this not so gentle truth.

The guy who going to a top notch rooftop pool party while you're on Netflix, he realized this not so gentle truth.

You may think you're being so "edgy" by breaking off of society norms now that you have read a couple of posts on TRP and you may think you're so much better than Leonardo DiCaprio because you read a couple posts on this sub, reality will show you time and time again that this is simply not true.

The red pill is made to help you rise in this harsh world, not be a bitter loser that opts out and now thinks he won at the game of life.

The red pill is here to help you screw that picky HB9 who didn't earn anything she got in life, not make you the bitter loser who hates her and tells himself that he is too good to game her because she is "just a slut brainwashed by feminism".

The red pill is here to help you make friends and get you into the rooftop pool party, not to make you into the guy who hates people and talks about how everyone at the party is just some normal person who cares way too much of what others think of them.

The redpill is here to help you rise in the corproate world, not to make into the guy that complains how the system is rigged and decides that he rather live on welfare for the rest of his life.

In all of those things, popularity and status matters! How others see you matter!

So you may think you're being edgy by rejecting society but don't be so shocked to find that you're now a sexless loser who everyone looks down on. I prefer that people like you rather not share their views on this sub let alone try to help anyone. Maybe you're better off going to some more blue pilled places where you can whine about society and how unfair it is rather than making something out of yourself and rising.

The truth is, no one wants to be anything like you.

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[–]kaane 71 points72 points  (3 children)

That sounds a perfect description of a MGTOW to me.

You have goals and dreams. You live your life the way you like it, and dont care what others label you. You already figured out that the value of pussy is not that much and it taked too much effort to keep that "social butterfly" status going

What most people, including the OP don't get is, some people (read introverts) value deep and meaningful social interactions. As an introvert myself I drain all my batteries just by sitting an hour in a crowded loud club setting. Instead I prefer a quiet night out with an intellectual woman and have intimate sex in the morning, not at 3 am wasted.

Inttovert people are inherintly social people, because we hold deeper connections with the few people around us. And sometimes need to recharge just by sitting alone.

Great inspiring post


[–]GreatWhiteCuck 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think I'm starting to realise in my mid 30s that I'm an introvert with extroverted traits

[–]WinstonMcFail 41 points42 points  (0 children)

I can relate but not everyone can. There are many who've never actually experienced sexual abundance, and for them, it's going to remain a focus and rightfully so. Once you've been there and done that, then you do realize that chasing random girls/sex is pretty boring, repetitive, and annoying.. but you have to have been there first. I'm just thankful I can have that a perspective and not obsess over it anymore.

[–]pdpbigbang 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Great counter argument piece. So I respectfully ask of you, what do you live for? What's your end goal and your view of life in general?

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[–]pdpbigbang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your perspective. Greatly appreciate it for putting your time in to answer my questions.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think this thread is for guys in their younger twenties.. I'm 37 now.. I hit happy hour and I'm home by 10.. Now problems getting laid tho

Getting girls at my age is less about "party status" and more about "general status".. I'm in shape, and have decent money.. Since about 90% of single guys my age are fat it's pretty easy pickings..

[–]buli145 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I liked your post.

I think that my "social energy bar" gets depleted pretty quick too. I see friends that go out almost every night and they are never tired of that much interaction.. But me? Most of the time I just want to be alone and work towards my goals, and go out just one weekends, fridays and saturdays. And you know what? That makes me happy. And from your post I assume you are happy too.. That's a mistake a lot of RPillers make, they try to embed their lifestyle into everyone else's lifestyle.. And not always that works.. Some people are here just to learn about the gaming advice, or the lift part, the working part, the womans part.. Or maybe two, three or even them all combined. But not everyone has to live the same way to be considered a "winner".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Excellent write up.

Women just play on scarcity and inexperience.

Especially in Asia resources provide a vast abundance for local guys who fuck a different prime age hooker in high end brothels every other day while focusing on their business.

Western countries have elevated fickle children that operate on emotion mostly to their own detriment to male status and men who are good at attracting these children to the most desirable status.

The result is a really strange society.

[–]RodGronaArSkit 2 points3 points  (1 child)

In my opinion, chasing sex so much is just silly. I can't wrap my head around why people do it.

I guess it depends on testosterone level. And one more thing: nowadays 95% of women have nothing to provide except sex , so they unconsciously try to inflate the value as much possible, since it benefits them.

[–]cashmoney_x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

[–]AvengerSentinel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was an incredible read man, bravo.

[–]xddm2653 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude we're like twins, except I still sometimes enjoy the rush of chasing sex. I don't like putting in ridiculous work for it though --call order girls sounds like a much better option

[–]Morpheus-Man 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please promote this user with this platinum class response. Have an upvote sir, I'd love to follow in your footsteps.

[–]Ika- 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I understand what you are saying, but let's be clear, you are in a position to be saying such things with such an attitude, because you already had a lot of fun and there is less of a 'requirement' for it. Now, you know how it is and you can settle down and concentrate on yourself

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You sound like an embodiment of Bruce Wayne.

[–]lurkrastinator 1 points1 points [recovered]

What do you do for a living? Is it something related to CS?

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[–]twokool2bsmort 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Making $30,000 off of copywriting- how are so money English majors so poor if that type of money can be made? Genuinely curious- how'd you find the money pot in what I presume to be such a barren field?

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[–]Ika- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for all of your comments

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

how are so money English majors so poor if that type of money can be made?

They want to be the next Hemingway and don't focus on applying their skills to business.

Western societies have romanticized poverty.

While copywriters earning royalties from sales letters or raking in the big bucks are most likely rare, a middle class income or above can surely can be had if one applies himself and puts in a couple years of hard work.

[–]tuffbot324 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post. This is how I feel. I don't care to be popular. I rather spend my time becoming a better me and following my passions than becoming someone I'm not to impress other people.

[–]_Trigglypuff_ 161 points162 points  (19 children)

You just described 99% of the subscribers to this sub.

[–]cubicpolynomial3 97 points98 points  (2 children)

That's why they're here.

Huge thanks to the guys who make it and then stick around to help the newbies.

[–]icecow 8 points9 points  (1 child)

They should be here to read and grasp red pill, not regurgitate it through a blue pill lens. Many in this sub have blue pill issues and are inclined to share as fact a written theory on how to get past them. Please do not do this. Doing so inadvertently injects blue pill thinking in to this sub.

Write what you know and have vetted out as worthwhile and true. If you read back what you have written and feel unsure about it you can be an outstanding member of this forum by not hitting that SAVE button.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well it's a way to learn.

It's not a problem to hold BP mindset and come to TRP if you want to understand and learn. You spew your bullshit, get called out, think deeper, rinse repeat until you become one of the guys calling out bullshit (if that's your thing). Those that have the determination to face reality will stay and grow, we all have more or less of a BP past we regret.

The problem is the occasional BP who says hey let's see what those losers are doing and then trigger himself and start pushing his bias to self-confirm it further.

This problem has its key roots in the underlying learned helplessness. Unlike the first BP example, who understood he needs to "grow up", that it will be hard and he's alone into this (your steak, your money), the second guy still thinks he can get away by pandering to BP society. If the "you are alone in this life" thought were to creep upon him, his naive worldview would begin to crack. He would start opening up, changing his patterns, and all the shit we come here to learn to do and talk about.

But this is all extremely scary for someone who didn't crack that first "i'm alone there" thought first and any worldly wisdom is lost upon him if he hasn't emotionally processed this first.

I came here after intense trauma that basically fixed this thought in my mind forever i think that made me face this unconscious helplessness (as many others i guess), so even if i had total BP ways, i had accepted this thought already. I'm still in the making but in about a year i cutted videogame time 90% (yeah still have some work to do), got out of the basement, learned a IT job, found a place where to practice it and earn some money (never worked before this year basically, so gotta be patient there), started homelifting, hiking hard every weekend with purple or semi-rp friends , joined a swimming pool to fix my bad posture habit (going almost everyday), and starting approaching some (i basically gotta monk still but social flexibility is part of it i guess. I don't even try to get laid, my purpose so far is to make them laugh atleast once and get comfortable with randoms). I'm not alpha for sure yet, but i think it's ok for someone who was basically retarded just a couple years ago (studied gnosticism before rp).

Not any change would have occurred if i didn't first process wholly that "hey i am alone in there, gotta look for guidance" thought, and to do it costed me many years of "i am alone, got no chance, this kind of sucks" ones. Now i can be happy because i know that just how life is for the naive, and im preparing the boat to leave the bad dock.

The BP hell is all about being scared and having no roadmap. They won't admit they are lost until their reality is laid bare open in front of them. They also don't believe in roadmaps since life is all about the here and now, you know.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (10 children)

It's funny how the rest of Reddit says this place is full of misogynistic neckbeards. They're not wrong.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not about TRP, no, that's pretty factual. About themselves and all the rest, though...

[–]Theophagist -1 points0 points  (8 children)


That word has so much use in the English speaker's diction because the literal hatred of all women is totally possible.

[–]RealRational 10 points11 points  (5 children)

But is not what we encourage here. Yes, we know it happens, and we have a name for it, the anger phase.

In the end however, it is preposterous to hate something for what it is. Women are women, they are what they are. It serves no more purpose to hate women for what they are than the sun for rising.

[–]blackedoutfast 11 points12 points  (3 children)

i love women. they're dumb and adorable and smell nice.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Don't forget the pussy too. That's a big plus.

[–]vagbutters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't forget the pussy too.

And the mouth, when it's used for sucking and not talking.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It's an emotional card, pretty much like anti-semitic. Palestinians are actually semitic so you would think supporting them would be pro-semitic, but you are actually anti by our society standard.

2016 updates Vocabulary updates

Anti-semitic = someone who doesn't pander to Israel (not sure they are even semitic themselves tbh)

Misogynistic = potentially anyone that don't literally believe every woman was born to be served and honored with your stuff for free, or that doesn't believe she's an angel, if he gets too public about this. Misogynistic short definition: anyone that risks to reveal AF/BB to betas.

Sorry for including the jew thing, but really it's the clearest example of emotional manipulation through political correctness.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

don't apologize for that. That needs to be said.

[–]MyLittlePonyofDoom 8 points8 points [recovered]

I made this comment which was voted down because I said the majority of guys who posted here were losers because what Chad/alpha/winner be here if they could be fucking dimes or making mad loot. Truth hurts y'all. Logically then this place is here to improve oneself although logic is a stranger a lot on this sub.

[–]cmartee 27 points28 points  (34 children)

You described me. I need to change but there is no way in hell its gonna happen sooner rather than later, it's gotta be torn out from within.

[–]purplecabbage 49 points50 points  (32 children)

You lift? Did you start by benching 225 your first time? Deadlift 135? No, you started small and worked your way up.

The same is true with social interaction. Talk to everyone, at the grocery store, gas station. Don't talk robotic, be friendly and connect on a human level, however brief the encounter may be. Look people in the eyes, and don't ever emotionally flinch. Experiment, see if you can draw out an encounter just for the hell of it. It's actually fun.

Work your way up, you will be more comfortable upping the ante with new encounters. This will build the foundation for cold approaching an HB5-7.

Practice, practice on old ladies, moms, kids, dudes, everyone.

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[–]spacecowboyreturns 19 points20 points  (10 children)

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[–]ladyburner 3 points3 points [recovered]

I'm a female "cardio bunny" (basically I just run and do fitness classes) and the first time I tried lifting with a trainer I did three sets of ten at 125 pounds. I weighed 130 at the time. I'm sure every man could lift more than that if he tried.

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[–]Syll0gism 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I know 120 lb non lifters that can dead 135. Most people start around 225 as there max. 135 is a good starting point for a bench max maybe but definitely not deadlift.

[–]Layback 2 points3 points  (2 children)

When you say most people, you really mean non-ectomorphs. Ectos aren't pulling that weight their first time.

[–]greatslyfer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea I haven't done my deadlifts in years and overall haven't even stuck to a program that had deadlifts in them, yet in my first try a week or so ago I could pretty much pull 225 max at 160lbs.

[–]Blazedazex55 4 points5 points  (11 children)

That's what I was thinking lol. I mean if you can't, fine. You gotta start somewhere, but it shouldn't be the norm for grown men, even if you have never worked out.

Edit: a word

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[–]johnyann 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think 405 deadlift is closer to to 225 on bench.

[–]homelessWOOKIE9 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Please dont try to deadlift 135lbs your first time. Thats a back injury waiting to happen. First timers have 0 form and that would be just reckless

[–]RP_Student 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is exactly the weight I started with, and I was 155 when I started.

[–]Boovs4life 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I haven't even attempted deadlifting yet. As for benching i shit you not i couldn't even lift the bar.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean... doing the motions is not so bad, keeping proper form, however, is hard at the start.

[–]Boovs4life 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What is "emotional flinching?"

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Consider it as a brief moment of vulnerability that shows in your face/mannerisms.

Say someone insults you, either you give a fuck or you don't. But if you do give a fuck it will show and people can pick up on it, no matter how many times you tell them otherwise.

[–]purplecabbage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think of the moment you might engage with someone and make eye contact, but you avert your eyes out of an emotional reaction. Emotions of a generally lower confidence level will cause this. Perceived low value, shyness, embarrassment, etc.

In a nut shell, its when your frame collapses (or was never there).

emotional flinch = overt frame collapse

[–]EDDbDG 50 points51 points  (18 children)

I don't think this is good advice at all. This "high school never ends" shit will give you the most shallow life achievable. Sure you get hot girls. Sure you get fancy parties. But what value does this even have? Not everyone has the same goal.

There are two types of people that are the popular in high school type. First are the natural chads, they don't really know why they're so popular despite having no character, they just are. So they enjoy it. These people either end up blissfully unaware of anything for the rest of their lives or hit a snag somewhere along the way that sends them into a midlife crisis. Most people on TRP are not this.

However, type 2, is the type of person who suppresses their real "unpopular" interests and passions to fit in. They value superficial shit like women and parties over their characters, so they ditch themselves for a Chad life. These people are on a one-way bullet train to midlife crisis. They will realize, at 50 or whatever, once they're just too old to go out and dance with 20 year olds all night, that they have nothing. They have no passion, no skills, no substance.

Is this really the future you want?

If you have a passion, own it. I don't care how autistic it is. If you are good at something, have good social skills, are physically fit/not unattractive, and intelligent, you're on a good path. And of course, AWALT doesn't mean "every woman is a carbon copy of each other, there is only one axis on attractiveness." To believe that hot women exist exclusively in party atmospheres is stupidity.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Good point on living your own damn life.

Once you get out of high school, people are more likely to appreciate you for this.

My advice is to try to become a renaissance man. Be good and knowledgeable about multiple, diverse things that you naturally enjoy. This will not only spice up your life but also will impress others, if you are into that.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 23 points24 points  (4 children)

Yeah. That cancer has it's origin somewhere in the MGTOW world.

Make no mistake, I don't despise of the original concept of MGTOW and I'd classify myself as somebody who subscribes to it to some extend - I just lack time, energy and pacience at the moment to deal with women's bullshit beyond a certain point and therefor I only subscribe to low effort sex.

That said, what I clearly do not endorse, is putting up new strawmen so you are able to avoid having to get out of your comfort zone.

A growing number of guys use MGTOW as an excuse to justify their choice of lifestyle of being a fat and pathetic piece of shit in the gutter of society.

They deliberatly mistake raising your status by putting work into yourself to drastically better your appearance for jumping through hoops to get validation from women.

The advantage this has for them is that they can essentially validate their lazyness in any aspect of their life by using this excuse and they do it.

I've read people defend playing videogames 24/7 only interrupted by sleep like that, way too often in that sub now.

Just to be sure to make myself clear: Being MGTOW does not equal being a pathetic lazy piece of disgusting meat and (foremost) fat.

You cannot choose to go your own way if you actually do not have a choice.

Being a man who goes his own way is only possible while still trying to become the best possible version of yourself you can imagine.

If being a pale neckbeard living in your parant's basement is all you can imagine yourself to be though, well in that case...

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Tesla is a good example of MGTOW. He was tall and handsome, a lot of girls were hitting on him and wanted to be with him, but he made a choice not to fuck them and decided to do stuff that he liked to do.

[–]RaziJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I so fucking agree with you. I see introverted shy nerds on the MGTOW subreddit a lot of times. Yeah some are normal social guys, who got laid with woman and then got fucked over by them, but that seems to be the minority nowdays. I call these new "MGTOWS" Virgin-tows, because that's what they are. If you're a forever alone nerd with no social skills, and are looking to blame women or society for your own issues you are A VIRGINTOW

[–]MacNulty 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Reality is fluid. Different things matter, depending on the context. Be like water... don't get too attached to anything. It's wise to just be the best person you can be, always - everything else should follow.

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[–]MacNulty 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I was talking about attachment to ideas. I'm sorry to hear about your dog. How is he doing now? These situations often serve as a reminder of what we really care for and that these things may be taken from us, unexpectedly, in a heartbeat. In a sense then, death, impermanence and non attachment actually teach us about life, love and connection.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's doing well. I was a half drunk asshole in my previous comment, sorry.

[–]jlm1516 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Having an exciting social life becomes orders of magnitude more difficult in your 30s. I'm 32 with a good corporate job in a big city, good looks and a decent physique from years of lifting, and in my 20s and college years my social life was great -- bars/clubs, parties, day trips -- big, mixed-gender groups of friends that led to hook-ups, etc, etc... Now, people have moved away, got married, or just faded away, and I'm left with just a few married buddies. I'm often alone on Friday and Saturday nights, although I make an effort to go out by myself.

I'm certainly not a "bitter loser that opts out" as OP describes, but I'm also not "going to top notch rooftop pool parties." I bet a lot of 30s/40s guys feel similarly. I'd prefer a more exciting social life, but I think it's okay to have a more solitary lifestyle as one gets older. And I don't mean 45, I mean 32 -- many of you are only a few years away.

[–]StumpinToVictory[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Wow really, what is so tough about making new friends then?

[–]jlm1516 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Making friends (not acquaintances) requires proximity, repeated and unplanned interactions, and a setting that encourages people to let their guard down. That's all in abundance in one's 20s, especially college. After 30, people realize that their time horizons are shrinking, and they spend less energy -- if at all -- making new friends or even acquaintances outside of business/networking, and more energy on already important people; close friends and family, followed by people who are important now but won't be later when they leave (no more proximity), like coworkers, neighbors, plates, gym buddies, the Starbucks barista you see every morning, etc. Making friends after 30/40/50 isn't impossible, but it happens organically, like a close neighbor or business partner.

As for just social life, it happens. It's like the old Chris Rock skit about the "old guy in the club" -- "Every man has to settle down eventually. You know why you gotta settle down eventually? Because you don't want to be the old guy in the club. You know what I'm talking about. Every club you go into, there's always some old guy. He ain't really old, just a little too old to be in the club." ...Settling down doesn't mean getting married, but it does mean not being the old guy in the club. Plenty of ways for 30s/40s/50s guys to be high SMV without a huge social group or exclusive/VIP events.

I'm not putting down making friends past 30, I'm just saying it's easier said than done, moreso than standard SMV improvement advice like lifting, frame, dressing well, basic game, approaching, other sidebar material, etc.

Your overall point is valid (hence the upvotes). It's unhealthy for a guy to think he's awesome because he reads RedPill and is "too cool" for going out and interacting with the world.

[–]Kafkaevsky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know lots of people in their mid 30's with tons of friends and a awesome social life. I suspect you are just making excuses for yourself, but who knows!

[–]StumpinToVictory[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you royally overrate the college experience, especially in regards to making friends.

[–]RPFlame 19 points20 points  (2 children)

You also gotta say something in response to people claiming that being "alpha" is subjective.

The fact that you cannot imagine an "alpha" in any subjective context being bullied and be socially awkward means that it's really not as subjective as you might believe. People here need to drop the fucking hamster off their brain and face their reality.

You're not coming here to make OP happy, you're coming here to make you happy. But this happiness comes at the price of discomfort. You thought that swallowing the pill is easy because "you always thought this was true but you couldn't just put your finger on it". But have you really REALLY challenged the beliefs you have that keep you from pushing yourselves forward, or is it just self-masturbation over what random cockwhore did before you alt-tab back to your video game or porn?

"I'm red pill" doesn't mean much if you don't provide anything to anyone else.

All the knowledge the top contributors gave you here... Did you do anything with it? Oh right, you upvoted it, right. You probably also threw a tip you read about to your blue pill friend, because everyone knows how people love unsolicited advice (sarcasm). Do you want some fucking applause for that, you sons of bitches? I asked: Did you do anything with IT? Did you signed up in a gym? Did you focused harder in your studies? Did you limited your time wasters? Did you stop watching porn as you choke your lizard imagining that you're the motherfucker who pumps that bitch so hard?

Swallowing the pill is the start. You're ahead from the competition, but you grew complacent, thinking that this is enough. Right.

[–]FlowingKing 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You're right. Action is key.

Most of us are intelligent enough to understand the facts, the real part is actually using it to our advantage.

If not, then we'll just stay the same and die miserable.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Status matters to a WOMAN. Specifically, a "Modern Girl."

Even when I have status, I don't use it. I go out of my way to control for that variable in my interactions. I feel like it keeps things "real." I remain grounded, and thus can be confident.

To me, it's important to test yourself. You should be able to pick up on a bitch WITHOUT having to use all that. THAT is how you keep it real. But yes, it can be a weapon or tool in your arsenal.

[–]sfstexan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What are you talking about?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Even when I have status, I don't use it. I go out of my way to control for that variable in my interactions.

Great point. I do this as well with everyone. I would never lord my achievements over someone debating a simple question with me. Instead, I engage them and, if it matters, try to lead them toward the way of thinking I see as most correct, which could be my thoughts or a combination of mine and their ideas.

This is the test of both my ideas and my ability to relate to other humans.

Experience and ability combined should act to make you more humble, if you are doing it right. You simply realize how much you do not know and the complexity of it all. But alas "real men" are not to be perceived as indecisive, even when all you are doing is laying out possibilities and the probabilities and pros and cons of each (ala' decision theory, the study of how to not fuck up egregiously).

[–]RichKingOfBangmar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should be able to pick up on a bitch WITHOUT having to use all that.

Agree wholeheartedly. My metric is "can I fuck 20 year olds doing this when I'm 50?" And the lifestyle OP describes fails hard. Social proof is great, but it's also limiting. If you want to break out of orbit, you can't bring the planet with you.

[–]rigbed 9 points10 points  (30 children)

Or you could go on vacation in another country and then be judged based solely on appearance and behavior.

[–]Usecod 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Somebody should sponsor me to go on vacation.I wont waste my money just to get more pussies.They are not worth it.

[–]backdoorbum 9 points10 points  (1 child)

lol people be thinking they Patrick Bateman

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Patrick Bateman's view of himself also wasn't realistic. If you watch the movie carefully and read the commentary, you can see that everyone in his social circle thought he was a huge dork.

[–]alvlear 10 points11 points  (2 children)

The game of life is won by impressing men, not these feelz driven automatons that can't decide what to eat for breakfast. Life is like high school? What a joke. There is no war in high school. Have you ever been in a boardroom discussing firing 50,000 people at once? Have you built a city of 5 million people from the ground up? There are men alive today who have done this.

When Ashlee Vance was writing Elon Musk's biography, he realized almost no one at upenn knew who Musk was. Musk IS a loner.

Do you know who Todd Combs is? A loner. He is also the most probable successor to Warren Buffett, another loner.

But hey, you were invited to a pool party.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Yawn. "Guys who don't play the game my way are all neckbeard losers who stay in on the weekend playing WoW." That's essentially how you've set up your piece.

Please come back when you've got something a bit more useful to contribute. The black and white thinking you've adopted will only hold you back. The irony of your argument stance is that you end up placing so much power in the hands of others that you're no longer able to be a unique self. So at least you've contributed something for me to chuckle at.

[–]SnickeringBear 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There are exceptions to every rule. Elon Musk

Your point is still very well made. We don't live by exceptions.

[–]Lord_NShYH 10 points11 points  (5 children)

A lot of those "high paying jobs" are only available to nerds and geeks with the technical skills to perform them (senior STEM roles, etc.). Even then, those nerdy and geeky guys are only getting those positions after they swallow this bitter truth about popularity.

Of course, there are more STEM jobs than there are golden parachutes in finance.

In short, I agree with OP (more or less). What the fuck is the point of being successful if you're not enjoying life to the fullest, by whatever way you decide to enjoy it?

[–]StumpinToVictory[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Wrong again, med schools and a lot of engineering jobs are loaded with Chads. The Chads even have quite an easy time getting ahead too.

[–]epixs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is so true, idk why people are downvoting you lol.

[–]HEADPOCKET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure why you're being downvoted. I know for a fact this is true.

Maybe it makes them feel self-conscious, but it's the truth.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm living in a small town and social proof is everything here. If you're anonymous in a small town, then you're fucking screwed. I was a loner in school, and when I wasn't in school, I was at home. I barely know anyone and barely anyone knows me. Game is different here, you can't just randomly walk up to a girl in the street and start hitting on her. Same goes for bars. If you see a girl having a drink in a bar, be sure that 80% of guys who are there already know her, and 2 or 3 are her exes.

Only way to be successful with women in a small town is to be either a professional athlete or have a good job (judge, lawyer, doctor). It will generate a huge social proof and attract a lot of people around you (everyone will try to befriend you), and in no time you will have access to a huge number of girls through social circles. You will be invited to all social gatherings, parties, celebrations and girls will be more than happy to interact with you since they already know who you are. If you're RP aware, you'll drown in pussy. I'd say that only 5% (or maybe even less) men are like this in small towns. They are the ones who are slaying, and the rest of the guys are those who buy all those used goods once they're about to hit their expiration date.

[–]All-DayErrDay 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So how does being RP aware make you drown in pussy in this case? If the only way to be successful in a small town is to have a good job or be a professional athlete, how does being RP help you become either of those?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being RP aware gives you ability to fuck and never commit. Many guys with high social proof are BP, and when they gain access to women, they start searching for their unicorn.

[–]watcher45 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Remember the old saying: "Life is like high school, it never ends, until it does. "

[–]Mckallidon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So what you're saying is to need the approval of others and to give a fuck. Fact is as a man you're always dating down or fruitlessly supplicating for diminishing returns.

[–]angry-neckbeard 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I love trp, I have learned a lot from this place.

The red pill is here to help you screw that picky HB9

I don't care, I hate dealing with girls like that. The pussy feels the same on a 7 anyway. I'm fucking lazy as fuck, and I hate dealing with the bullshit that hot girls bring. If a chick bitches enough she can lower herself like 3 fucking levels or more in my eyes.

The red pill is here to help you make friends and get you into the rooftop pool party

I would rather BBQ, fish, or camp with my homies anytime. I have to watch football to gain SMV instead of play whatever vidya I want? Weak.

The redpill is here to help you rise in the corproate world

I think you are under the misapprehension that I want what you want. I want a farm, land, and a house with happy kids in it.

If I have to adopt or rent some chick to have my kids, so be it. Fuck marriage, it's literally the worst deal ever for my offspring.

I could give a fuck what my SMV is, I like what I like.

I still get poon with the stuff in this sub, but I'll do it my lazy as fuck way thank you very much.

I reject your version of Chad and substitute my own.

I still love this sub.

[–]Words-Are-Wind 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Generally you are right, but there are many exceptions to the rule.

Take me for example. I used to go to a lot of parties when I was younger (I still do, there are just less to attend now, and sometimes I'm away on a contract or something). Sometimes I'd go to so many that I would have to hop between them on the same night. There would be times I'd go to like 6 parties in a span of 3 days. Most people knew me fairly well because I killed it at beer pong, so I played almost everyone who ever partied around here at some point. Yet I never really hooked up with many girls from these parties.

Then other times I'd be places where I know no one, feel like an outcast with no one to really talk to, and would even get in my head like "Damn, I'm standing here by myself with nothing but a cup of beer in my hand, everyone must be looking at me like who is this loser?" yet my chances of success were about the same.

Matter of fact, some of my greatest success comes when I'm out of my element and surrounded by strangers who have no idea who I am. They don't know I'm the kind of guy who everyone knows, they don't know I love to party, they don't know any of the girls I fucked, or even if I'm a virgin or not. Yet somehow I'd end up dancing with the hottest chick in the club on a table at a club I've never been to before.

And everything that you make out to be a game killer has got me chicks. Video games, chess, books, anime, staying in watching netflix, magic the gathering, D&D... you name a nerdy thing that you think is chick repellent, and I'll show you a hottie who's into it, and thinks that shit is cooler than any party. The hottest girl I ever fucked was into building computers. And if you're thinking she wasn't actually that hot and my standards are just low, she was so hot my friend didn't even believe I fucked her when I showed them pictures of her. They only believed me once my one friend who met her verified it with them. I've actually hid my social status from women in order to gain their interest, as I thought if they knew I liked to get drunk and party they'd probably think I'm some kind of try hard wannabe who just tries to fit in with the crowd or some shit. The geeky side of me has got more interest out of women than the fact that I lift or exercise. The truth is women don't care how hard you work or how much you lift. They just care about the end results. If you work 60 hours a week and workout 5 days a week, but have less money and are less jacked than some dude with a trust fund who has never worked out a day in his life, they are going to pick the trust fund dude.

As a matter of fact, I'd bet that I can compete with any guy here and bring home the girl, even if he used his best game and tried to make his best impression, and I acted like some kind of sperglord geek, contingent on me being not even a whole point more attractive. I'm talking about half a point on the attraction scale. Because when it comes to hookups, at the end of the day, all that matters is looks and confidence.

[–]human_bean_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The truth is women don't care how hard you work or how much you lift. They just care about the end results.

Yep. It doesn't matter how hard you had to work to be where you're at. It also doesn't matter who you could be if you tried. Only thing that matters is where you are now.

[–]MLGonthorian 2 points2 points [recovered]

Have you heard of the term Misanthropy before?

[–]123Jobber 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Not disagreeing necessarily but I feel the problem is you think the lifestyle you describe is remotely accessible to a large majority of people on earth period. Classic survivorship bias.

The lifestyle you describe is reserved for wealthy people, celebs & various social climbers; DJ's, musicians, sports players, models, executives, tech entrepreneurs, bar owners, trust-fund kids, fashion bloggers, et al. Anything considered high value by the circle.

While staying indoors & being a lone wolf is not desirable to many people, you can't hate on someone for having that life when the other life you describe is literally not accessible until you have X net worth, X title etc.....

You need to be physically attractive (your face), tall, live in the right address, drive the right type of car, wear the right clothing brands, be physically fit, attend the correct eating places etc to fit into that and become someone "popular" or "high value".

Very few people live the life you are describing and I see absolutely nothing wrong with opting out or living your own way if its not desirable to you. You can't cultivate a personality and randomly fit in with those people, you need the status signals ( first question out of anyones mouth in these places is where do you live, where do you work?). It takes time and effort & a high degree of luck to become high value enough to live like that.

[–]StumpinToVictory[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

True, but why talk down on that lifestyle and try to talk others out of trying to live it? Why try to glorify the loser loner lifestyle? That is my issue.

[–]123Jobber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not talking it down, if that's what you want to do go for it, but someone can be into a different vibe and not be a "loser" per say.

As some have stated. someone can prefer hunting, going on going to quiet cafe's etc, safari trips with his boys and watching Rugby as apposed to pool parties and fashion week with the fashion blogger/part time models and still be "alpha". Like Brock Lesnar is a known autist who hates people, you'd never catch him at Fashion Week. But is Lesnar not alpha?

Additionally, I don't judge some guys for preferring to be alone. When you find out some of this stuff you just really get a fake vibe from people and don't want to be around them (this ofcourse doesn't qualify you as some superior "alpha".

There's levels to everything

[–]1whatsazipper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Somehow people continue to miss the point of being well-liked or popular. It opens doors everywhere.

If you're finding that being popular with stupid, vapid people isn't useful, the problem is the circle of people you have associated with, not the fact that you are connected to people.

There's a lot to life that isn't immediately present to you. Other people can walk you to doors that you don't know existed. Being well-liked or popular is an asset, but you have to ensure that it's with the kind of people who are likely to lead to significant advances in your life.

[–]landon042 1 point2 points  (1 child)

on a similar note but not kind of.

First time I was on a rooftop pool it was cool.

nothing quite like seeing the stars, and overview of the city while swimming, this was in atlanta. Not sure if you could call it a party or not, it was a lot of people from the hotel as we had a big group so this was packed with teens. read: bitches act crazy while elevated on a roof

I have a nice story from it.

Some guy was trying to "hype" up everybody before he jumps in, note he had all his clothes on. While trying to hype everyone up he acts like he's tearing off his shirt fast and takes it off.

we all see this loser trying stupid shit, then one guy pushes him in from behind. He had his iphone in his pocket RIP.

Then loser hypeman tries to find who pushed him and asks everyone, he's running through the hotel lobby without a shirt(not pretty, was just skinny fuck) trying to fight whoever pushed him.

Not sure because I don't live there but, I'm sure if you stay at one of the most popular hotels in atlanta with the rooftop pool sometime in summer there will always be crowds of teens there most likely.

[–]FlowingKing 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree with most of your points. It is extremely true that you should not be that kid who thinks he's cool by shutting off society and jacking off to porn saying he doesn't care. The way to solve that is to hit the gym, start getting better socially by taking small steps, and start your own business or rise up in your job.

The only thing that I disagree is that when you say you should:

"conceal nerdy habits"

For me, making videos/writing are nerdier habits of mine (intellectually stimulating). I don't conceal them as I'm proud of my hobbies, however I see your point as well which is in certain situations, you don't talk about gaming and whatnot.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Your post explains dudes who get butt hurt or even think about N count.

I get that it's an indicator of if a girl's LTR quality or not.. But most guys get all wrapped up with N count because it makes them feel inferior. They feel inferior because this girl is going out, partying, fucking hot chads, while this dude is staying in on the weekend reading Kafka and doing sudoku puzzles in Monk mode.

Most guys don't give a shit about N count.. At least in my friend circle. Personally I don't even care to find out or ask. Her behavior will reveal if she's incompatible for what I want in a relationship anyway. I think this has to do with the fact that my friends and I get laid and sex isn't as big of a deal now as it was when we were 18 and didn't want to hurt a girl's feelings by not dating her or something.

If anything, girl with a high N count just reveals she's not a prude and she's DTF. So it's easier for you to get laid. Yeah, she's not relationship quality but sex is sex and it's fun so you might as well enjoy (with protection) and not dwell on "hypergamy" "cock carousel" or any of that stuff. Simply just enjoy the vagina carousel while you're young and not a wrinkly old man?

Everyone here is always saying "Enjoy the decline" well, put on your danse macabre pants and mean what you say. Go smash some poon tang.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get that it's an indicator of if a girl's LTR quality or not.. But most guys get all wrapped up with N count because it makes them feel inferior.

You're right. Some of the related posts here are figuring out whether a hoe can be a housewife. And some are butt hurt because they are a 6/10 and their LTR that is a 6/10 got laid 10X more than they did.

You are missing the secret sauce? It is very easy for a 6/10 female to be invited out and get fucked all the time. It's not even comparable. On her part, it simply shows that she led a hedonistic lifestyle without much forethought. Even though dudes are somewhat jealous, the question to ask is: knowing female psychology is this something to be jealous over?

Really. A well respected dude with his shit straight that did not get laid by a different chick every weekend and is now sane....should he be jealous over his GF because she was cum guzzling whore during her 20s? Nah.

[–]kk87 1 point2 points  (4 children)

All the points you bring up are valid. My problem is that I genuinely enjoy my nerdy hobbies and I genuinely dislike going out and meeting people

[–]homelessWOOKIE9 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Trust me, you'd like it if you could instantly connect to people and rarely feel insecure or unsure in those situations. However, the work to get to that point is the uncomfortable part ( why you dislike it )

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I kinda get what these "introverts" feel, and even if we can connect to others easily and instantly, we would rather often not unless we feel they have a use for us later on(But the latter could just be my Mach speaking...). I personally just made it a game/source of entertainment to see how I react and can thrive in social situations. I enjoyed it well enough that people are surprised when I say I am an introvert. I truly look like I enjoy being social but it is my self-made game that I enjoy. Kinda like putting on a play for myself? Otherwise it is really too much of a pain to interact with most people.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is fine, but be serious to improve yourself too. Lift, eat right, look good.

[–]blackedoutfast 1 point2 points  (4 children)

A+ post. I'm one of those guys who is always throwing rooftop pool parties, crazy house parties, going backstage with rockstars, VIP sections of clubs, beach trips, ski trips, all that shit. it gets wild. and when i invite people to these events, obviously i'm mostly going to invite hot fun girls and fun RP guys. but sometimes i'll go further down the list because there is extra room, or i just want to invite new people to mix it up.

when i'm trying to decide who to invite, being social and outgoing and fun is FAR MORE IMPORTANT than RP vs BP. typical BP beta guys will frequently do dumb shit like white knighting or cockblocking. but they also usually have a positive attitude about being there. idgaf if they have shitty daygame or like to take girls out on fancy dates or are destined to be a beta bux cuck husband some day. if i'm throwing a party, those guys usually have a blast and love being there. and they're the ones who will hype it up latee and tell everyone they know about how blackedoutfast has amazing parties and is surrounded by hot girls, etc.

OTOH, i also know a lot of guys like the OP describes. the anti-social, serious guys who look down on partying as some kind of frivolity and usually stay at home reading or watching documentaries or some shit idk. they don't necessarily read TRP, but they have a RP mindset. if i'm in the mood to chill and drink some scotch and talk about politics or whatever, yeah i'll hit up those guys. but guys like that never get invited to the fun crazy parties. all they're going to do is sit in a corner and roll their eyes and suck all the positive energy out of the room.

if you're one of those guys and you really do WANT to stay at home and read philosophy books and be introverted and anti-social, more power to you. but don't expect to be invited to social events just because you are RP.

[–]StumpinToVictory[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nice man, so what line of work are you in to where you are able to throw these sorts of parties?

[–]blackedoutfast 2 points3 points  (0 children)

not gomma give details because i don't want to get doxx'd, but it's a totally normal white collar job that involves dicking around on the computer. decent salary but not crazy high. the only ususual aspect is that i don't have a fixed 9-5 schedule. i can stay out partying all night and then sleep until noon every day.

meeting people and making connections is much more important than what kind of job you have or how much money you make. obvs you need big $$$ if you want to fly around on a private jet like dan bilzerian. but if you know the right people (managers, promoters, and hot girls) and your friends all also have decent jobs it doesn't take a lot of cash. just be smart about it and don't get addicted to anything.

i live in a large city, so there are tons of people here in their 20s, 30s, 40s who aren't settled down having kids and being boring. i've lived in small towns and suburbs and you can't really do it there.

[–]rickyTiqee 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm introverted and when return from work, staying at home entire time (not counting going to gym or do the shopping) reading, lurking Internet or learning to code, but I'd really like to be outgoing and get invited to crazy parties.

How to do it?

[–]blackedoutfast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

try to think about how you can provide value in some way that increases the quality of the experience for everyone else at the party.

[–]AKcatalyst 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would gild you if i wasted the time, mate. Excellent post.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post, definitely hit home.

[–]buli145 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This post should be on top for a long time.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your right, you made me realise that I've been letting this part of myself slack over the past few months, especially in terms of the clothes I wear when leaving the house.

Thanks for the wake up call.

[–]victor_knight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]snakehayter 0 points1 point  (1 child)

social status is the toughest to build when youre not in school anymore, its best to get red pilled in early high school or college at the latest. That way you can build up a foundation of high status friends to work off of.

I found that in this modern gynocentric society, most workplaces usually have employees that consist of beta males or feminist leaning females. So youre best option for meeting new people is taking up some kind of masculine hobby like Martial Arts, where youll most likely meet an alpha male who has a jumping social life.

[–]jab1023 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the workplace you have to balance being alpha with being "diplomatic."

If you keep focused on process improvement and learn to just kind of nod and smile at the bs and do what you want anyway, you'll be doing well.

[–]frost_vii 0 points1 point  (1 child)

All personalities differ. You can only speak for yourself. Whether or not someone is very sexually active or not is their business and their choice. Having sex doesn't equate to your status. You could be rich and famous and choose to be celibate. Or you could be a minimum wage loser that bangs hot girls on the regular. It's not so black/white when you look behind the scenes. It all comes down to how much YOU value sex. Not how much someone else values it.

[–]StumpinToVictory[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is choosing to not have sex, and then there is having to be in a situation where you don't have that choice (which is what most of these "MGTOW" fall into).

[–]OmegaMan2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some of the horror stories that have been appearing on this sub are really good advertisements for the MGTOW lifestyle. I understand the need and drive to be the best at what you do, but then to throw it all away by getting married and divorce-raped a few years later seems to be counter productive to say the least. That a lot of women then twist the knife by lying about abuse so that they can rip your children away from you would be too much to bear for many men.

[–]RichKingOfBangmar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm seeing two extremes presented here.

The only way to be at the bottom of a pack is if you're incapable of walking out. If you're willing to go lone wolf if you're not offered a good deal, then you have negotiating leverage and people won't try to push you to the bottom. If you have to be in a pack at all times, you'll accept being in the bottom over being alone, so you may very well be offered that position.

Lone wolfing -- being a leader of one -- is a way to develop a subset of leadership skills. It also offers you an alternative if you ever find your packs aren't treating you as you want to be treated. As they say, the person with the most options wins.

Finally, just as being incapable of separating from the pack is harmful to your success, so is being incapable of joining packs. It closes the door to any good deals you may be offered.

[–]jimmy_toes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So...I should be more like crossfitters?

[–]Ika- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love this thread. It has prompted me to rethink and re-imagine the world. A real meaningful moment in life. Thank you to all the contributors

[–]Suave_Terry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ouch. I needed to hear this, thanks.

[–]RedPillWintergreen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All things being equal, it's better to be popular than unpopular. But there is a cost to everything in regards to time and energy. So if possible try to combine socializing with something productive. For example, taking that art appreciation class at a college or joining the local volleyball team. As for clubbing, that's fun too but pick your spots wisely.

[–]Iceman3514 -3 points-3 points [recovered]

But you never marry the HB 9 you had a threesome with right?

Or even if your n count is over 20 yourself, you dont marry a chick that had a threesome right?

[–]Hoffytown 9 points9 points [recovered]

Where did OP mention marriage?

[–]1RXRob 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Never get married.

Have threesomes.

Don't fuck the gangbanged slut after she's reformed.

[–]rickyTiqee 1 points1 points [recovered]

Don't fuck the gangbanged slut after she's reformed.

Why not?

Wait a sec.. keyword reformed.. it means she started to act like some sacred virgin and have sex ONLY AFTER marriage?

Understood correctly?

[–]1RXRob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correct. If she's let random guys bareback her on the first night but then makes you wait, then walk away.

[–]purplecabbage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Trust me bro, just don't get married. At least don't get a legal marriage.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Check out Anti-Dump's Machine. It gets to the heart of this pretty quickly.

[–]Iceman3514 1 points1 points [recovered]

This has been fantastic so far. thank you

My problem is I am not as bad off as most ( i dont pay, im an athlete, i am not desperate, etc.), so some of the stuff I read on the manosphere..I feel like I lose context.

Some of the stuff in the 'Machine, like oh youre a nice guy, youre ambitious, youre interesting, always improving, etc etc.

Readign stuff like that over and over makes me say holy fuck I gotta keep breaking my ass and youre never good enough and oh my god shes going to leave because you only jumped out of a plane and didnt cure cancer this week, so now youre monotonous and not interesting and oh my god you gotta be interesting dude!

It is hard to discern just where I am.

I know I'm great and I have a lot going for me, but reading this stuff, I still read it as if I sat on the couch all day eating cheetohs and wondering why no one loves me. I'm having a hard time reading it while placing myself in the context of the literature

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eh, the main reason it is advised not to marry a woman who has been on the CC is because she will have a much harder time staying loyal and her hypergamy shoots through the roof.

"But Ofafv! What about the men who sleep around? They cannot be loyal either right?"

See, the difference is in the processes that happen when both genders have sex. The chemicals the brain releases for women when they have sex are those that foster intimacy with a partner. When a woman has too many different partners, especially in a short period of time, they gain resistance or even outright immunity to this effect. Those that go gain immunity altogether are referred to as having the "thousand cock stare". You can search that up here on this reddit to find out the details (and probably better explanations).

[–]MLGonthorian 0 points0 points [recovered]

You know... I feel bad for people like you... You are essentially a slave, for lack of a better term.You're whole life is dedicated specifically to please others and constantly making sure that you live up to irrational ape-brained "human" standards and you somehow derive pleasure from all of it? You mean to tell me that some worthless, inherently selfish, waste of oxygen, average ape's/human's opinion that has a deluded sense of importance and superiority should matter to me? I would rather eat my own vomit than to partake in ANY of the bullshit that you described in this post. Way to live a life of imprisonment by always trying to live up to everyone's standard. If THIS is your idea of fulfillment or pleasure then I feel really bad for you...

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