"I knew I could trust you when your hands were around my throat and you were choking me" (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by makethemflaunt

Image: Throat Choke


My miss and I are lying on the couch last night, with our heads on opposite sides

...just talking shit, and then she drops this on me: "I remember the moment that i knew I could trust you."

Me: "When?"

Her: "When you had your hands around my throat and you were choking me, almost unconscious."

Me: (thinking: Holy shit. That was when I was hate-fucking you, and when I was still fucking other people) Raises Eyebrows

Her: "That's when I knew that I could fully surrender to you and trust you because I was actually doing it in that moment. There was nothing intellectual about it. It was real."

Sure fucking was. That was about a year and a half ago, the time she's talking about. I was fucking her rough from behind, holding her head back with one hand and choking her pretty hard with the other hand. I just kept applying more and more pressure on her throat until it didn't seem like she could take much more, like until she was making kind of funny noises and holding my hand at the wrist. I guess she appreciated the fact that I didn't keep squeezing harder and kill her. Bitches be cray. I mean, I get how that could be a quasi-religious experience in surrender, but fuck-me I was actually hate-fucking you...


Every time I've really hate-fucked a girl

...she's fucking loved it. I keep repeating in my head "You fucking slut. You dumb fucking slut." and the more into it I get, the more into it they get. It actually weirds me the fuck out sometimes, because I'm all into my belief of "do no harm" and "think good thoughts" and Buddhist style "right livelihood". But I guess you have to give the people what they want...

I remember that once, with another girl, I just started saying it out loud as I'm fucking her, "You dumb slut. You dumb fucking slut." And she just got more and more into it and so would I. And I would spank her harder and fuck her harder and she would moan and scream louder. And then I thought that I better make sure I don't get done later for assault so I say, "You fucking love it. You dumb slut. You love it, don't you? Tell me you love it." Her: "I love it." Me: "You love it what?" Her: "I love it, MakeThemFlaunt". Me: "Yeah you fucking do. Because you're a dumb fucking slut." And then I continued with railing the shit out of her.


The TRP gem here

... is that women love a good rough fucking more than the average BPer can believe and more than most women can admit to, or even understand.


My Current Dilemma

... is that I'm trying to figure out how I can gear myself up to hate-fuck my LTR who I've gotten comfortable with and who I want to maybe have kids with some day, who is someone that I care for and mostly respect, but who I can tell is starting to itch for a good rough-fucking. We're on a seven day break, and that's building up some sexual tension, so that should help. I don't really want to repeat that mantra in my head, but it's really the easiest way to channel the energy I need to rail her like a rag doll. I have 4 more days to figure this one out. I'll probably start lifting heavier, and freezing her out more, as a start. But in the actual bedroom, what thoughts can I be channelling, if not pure hatred hateful words?


Edit: fyi, I don't hate my girl. I like her quite a lot, actually, though not in the one-itis puppy dog stupid way. I got a few solid replies below, a few of which I replied to thus far. Kind of looking for, "What word-thoughts/mantra" might I be repeating in my head as I bang the shit out of her?" Something that would be okay to let slip out loud. Maybe something like, "You like it when I fuck you hard. You fucking like it rough, don't you?" Thanks for the thoughtful replies. Haters, piss off.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 254 points255 points  (6 children)

I remember a couple of years ago I was fucking a girl, and in the middle of the act I put my hand over her mouth and didn't move it away until I finished a few minutes later. She said that it was hot and that I should do it again.

I acted like I did it because I knew she'd like the dominance, but in reality I had spent the entire day with her and literally could not handle her voice for another fucking minute.

[–]RedMoonAscendant 58 points59 points  (0 children)

This man gets it.

Anytime your woman says something stupid, or tells some retarded story, or says she should make more money instead of being so sexy, or anything else, you are at a fork in the road.

The left fork is where you quietly sigh, remember the BP conditioning is getting to her, and say: "Honey, that's not what I want. Here's the thing that makes our relationship better..." and go into it.

The right fork is where you rip off her clothes, bend her over the brand new couch ("Honey we'll get the couch dir--") slap your hand over her mouth, fuck her rough, and tell her to shut up and be your little girl. Who's the master? Redmoon. Who's the slave? Redmoon'sBitch. Who is in charge? Redmoon. Who follows? Redmoon'sBitch.

Make her say it. Take out your anger against the BP retardation on a good rough fucking on her. She will love it, the rough sex will be real for you. You reduce your anger against BP bullshit. Everyone wins.

[–]BadinBoarder 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I dated my ex for two and a half years, for the first two years it was all lovey dovey missionary sex that was the best I've I'd ever known. She always said that she didn't like it rough and didn't like spankings or anything like that. Then one day I decided so just fuck like a pornstar, I don't know why, I decided that I really wanted to try it. Spanked her, pulled her hair, smashed her face into a pillow, tried all sorts of weird positions.

She loved it, bragged to her friends how great it was. From then on, we only had rough sex. Now, years later, i don't remember the last time i had non-rough sex.

The funny thing is, one of my FWBs recently said she was into BDSM and wanted me to be her "Master", well fuck yeah I'll try that. I've told 3 chicks that I'm in an open, master/slave relationship, all of them are jealous and are asking to be my "slave" and trying to be better than the original girl.

Bitches be crazy.

E: Big typo

[–]1PantsonFire1234 18 points19 points  (0 children)

The worst ones are the girls that are so commitment starved they act like good girls. You will never get to their inner slut core before they get their prized BetaCuck. Only then do they have the balls to act out.

I've dated girls who kept trying to persuade me they were innocent, They quickly realized I wouldn't budge and ran for the hills. Couple months later they find their BB and suddenly word travels around town that Stacey is fucking guys left and right. But only after they checked of that relationship status on Facebook Pathetic.

The funniest part is that once you are in a relationship every single girl you talk to that finds out about your dominance, instantly drops all pretense of her being innocent. They got nothing to lose now and everything to win, so she goes all in with her chips.

It's just one big mind game bro and these Ho's will keep playing it till their lying dead in their coffin.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 333 points334 points  (77 children)

It actually weirds me the fuck out sometimes, because I'm all into my belief of "do no harm" and "think good thoughts" and Buddhist style "right livelihood". But I guess you have to give the people what they want...

That's probably the biggest mindfuck for a "Nice Guy", beta man unplugging to the red pill. At least it was for me.

I strived all my life to be good, to be kind, to be genuine. I treated girls great. And guys great. I treated everyone great. I didn't feel like I was a doormat or giving in covert contracts. My motto was just "I'm not on this earth to make anyone worse off after interacting with me". Not only did it just make "sense", but it's the message you hear 100% of the time from parents, teachers, girls, everyone. Raised atheist, I found in Pacifism, Humanism and Buddhism the spiritual guidances that matched my existing prejudice. Of course gays deserve equal right, so I was a gay-right advocate. Of course women deserve equal rights, so I was a feminist. Of course I was also not very successful with women... Again, not that I was being a doormat. I was just very kind. With a girlfriend I'd never have a fight, never a conflict. Yet I'd always get dumped fairly fast.

Then I discovered they liked rough sex; being choked and slapped. Being physically and mentally abused, "just for play. Only during sex" of course. Well that was weird. Weirder even; that improved my relationships. Then I discovered through the red pill they like to be submissive to a dominant male in all aspects of the relationship. That's very weird, that's against everything they say. Yet weirder: I haven't been dumped ever since...

Anti-red-pill people and other feminists hate us. They describe us as misogynists; that we hate women. I don't hate them. Only that I do not respect them anymore. And for that they love me. But you know what? I hate it. A lifetime of being raised and self-developing into being respectful and kind can't be erased overnight. The disrespectful version of me is just an act I put. But I have to act list this if I want sex and love. It sickens me.

There is a famous dirty french song dating 1789 that finishes with these verses:

"La morale de cette histoire, C'est qu'les hommes sont des cochons."

"La morale de cette morale, C'est qu'les femmes aiment les cochons."

Which translates roughly in:

"The moral of this story is that men are pigs."

"The moral of this moral is that women love pigs."

Well then; I'll be a pig.

[–]redditmodssuckass 67 points68 points  (0 children)

That was the most honest post ive read in a long time.

[–]BenjiDread 25 points26 points  (5 children)

As a recovering nice guy, this has indeed been the biggest mindful of them all. I've now come to realize that women are masochists and I've accepted that I have to act out of character to keep them interested. It's completely mad.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I wasn't even a nice guy and this completely blindsided me. Honestly I don't expect any guy bellow the age of twenty to realize this. You just can't prepare for female sexuality unleashed. Especially since society, women and everyone else tries to hide this fact.

Worst part comes when you learn about this and have to act emotionally interested in the slut your banging. You just can't do that unless your a full on psychopath.

[–]BenjiDread 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Often women's masochism manifests as a yearning to be disciplined. They know they are petty and belligerent. They know they will do hurtful things if they can get away with it, but they'll be annoyed if you let them get away with it. Like, "Why is he letting me be crazy? I need him to stop me from being a bitch but he won't!"

They want to fight and lose. Whether it be bdsm or an argument over the toilet seat.

[–]CumForJesus 13 points14 points  (0 children)

They want to fight and lose.

That's literally it. If you asked me to describe women in one sentence, that's what I'd say, now. This is perfect.

[–]makethemflaunt[S] 37 points38 points  (33 children)

Shit. Not the message I wanted to get today. I've recently started taking refuge in the Buddha, Dharma, Sangha as my path.

In terms of building a better life for myself, I don't give a shit about having lots of money or a great career, like a lot of guys here (no judgment). I want to work on consistently improving the quality of my character and my attitude so I come closer and closer to the idealized "enlightened state" where I see all of life as rainbows, where I am genuinely super jazzed and happy with everything in life.

We all die. But few of us are able to live with pure joy in our hearts. And I've seen that joy and happiness emanating from people who devote themselves to real spiritual practice and I'm on that path.

Edit: The three qualities you're really meant to develop are: Wisdom (including knowledge of empty nature of experience), Kindness (including joy and compassion for all beings), and Power (ability to effect change in the material world through skillful means). I think development of these is far more important than any other pursuit I can think of, and I'm dedicated to pursuing them via dedicated practice and right living.

I also recognize the need to fulfill my basic material desires: safety, food, shelter, sex, tribal belonging (family and friends) romantic companionship, and having offspring, roughly in that order of importance.

My bigger goal is to make a positive energetic impact on others and through them, the world. Not unlike your previous motto:

"I'm not on this earth to make anyone worse off after interacting with me"

And I think a solid relationship will help me to realize that goal even better. However, like you, I am fucking pissed off at the "men are pigs and women love pigs" facts of life.

I'm not willing to give up my spiritual path. I know that tantric buddhism had a lot to say about including intense sex with spiritual practice.

Basically, the idea is that you manifest (or imagine yourself) as a god and her as a goddess and you imagine that you are chanelling some divine spirit and vortex between you.

I think I'm getting a little theistic and woo-woo for this thread. But the main point is that I think there must be a way to take this Red Pill idea of "Become the best man possible", untie it from materialistic and career pursuits, tie it to spiritual pursuits and then tie those back into tantric-based sex and relationship dynamics, with the man as the deity and the woman as the consort... Something...

[–]saw-hill 27 points28 points  (3 children)

I am in the exact same boat as you, conflicted between the two paths of Buddhism and TRP. What I've decided is, pull from Buddhist teachings when dealing with myself, and pull from TRP when dealing with women. It's tough to have to switch between the two but I'm hoping eventually it becomes second nature.

[–]SchlagerScar 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I don't think there's much conflict between Buddhism and TRP. Both are about seeing the "world" the way it is, beyond the illusion.

One of the most profound things you can take from TRP is outcome independence which in Buddhist terms is freedom from desire.

Tell me what you think are the conflicts between TRP and Buddhism.

[–]SetConsumes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Create higher goals than bliss and happiness and you will have less conflict. Buddhism is like Stoicism in resetting your indoctrination and having a perspective that allows you to manage your emotions and view well.

[–]zenboy23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No need for duality, may I recommend a book for you?: http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Sin-Zen-Exploration-Everything/dp/1577319109

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's not entirely incompatible. Just like the noble eightfold path has been adapted from monks to laypeople (right to sex, no begging to feed) and from eastern philosophy to western (no necessary belief in karma and rebirth), you can sort-of adapt it to your situation. Particularly as a red pill aware man, you cannot discard the 48 laws of Power. Wherever the middle path and the laws of Power are not compatible, bet on the laws of Power. Remind yourself that as mindful and happy and at-peace and as influential the Dalai Lama is, Buddhism did not allow him to free his country from the domination of China and his people has been suffering because of it for decades.

About your two last paragraphs; If you haven't read David Deida's "the way of the superior man", do it now. It was written for you.

[–]Joordaan21 8 points9 points  (4 children)

If you're serious about this path, look into raja yoga.

Once you (and your partner, ideally) master your physiology, you will be able to experience whatever feeling you want.

[–]makethemflaunt[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Resources? books, links? Thanks

[–]Joordaan21 2 points3 points  (2 children)


I'm taking a course on it from Jason Louv at www.magick.me

Some googling u can probably find a cheaper source for the information.

[–]blackberrydoughnuts 6 points7 points  (0 children)

However, like you, I am fucking pissed off at the "men are pigs and women love pigs" facts of life.

You can be a good person, make people better, and still stand up for your needs and desires, be dominant, and be in control. That's what being a man is about. What's with this idea that dominance and strength require making people worse off?

I think it might help to unpack the word "pigs" here. What exactly is a "pig"? I'm guessing you might have some negative ideas about sex, dominance, assertiveness, or masculinity.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

enlightenment is pure destruction motherfucker

[–]zenboy23 4 points5 points  (1 child)

That Tibetan Tantric ju-ju is too complicated, come over to the dark side of the Dharma with Zen, we have cookies.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 9 points10 points  (8 children)

Didnt read the whole comment. Just want to say that taking ownership, dominance, etc. also takes a burden away from someone else. Also choking and spanking can also be seen as just another form of sensation. I dont think rough sex and the dom/sub dynamic necessarily clashes with budhism. Also its just nature so who cares.

Btw. Variety in sex is good. Go hard as fuck on your girl but also occassionally show her some love and caring in a non-beta way.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 5 points6 points  (4 children)

The thing is that a man needs to be in a certain frame of mind to do these things. I get why some guys that still want to take a stab at LTR's might refrain from viewing their girls as worthless sluts.

What really fucks with your brain is watching how the girl you valued so much is being devalued by some guy and she actually loves it. Now it still makes perfect sense, but that's the difference in frame i'm talking about. And guys that want to grow romantically just can't do this is my guess.

It also depends on the girl, I know guys that turned into complete BDSM freaks with an easy girl but remained honest BetaBux with their LTR.

I think it's very hard to get to that point of abundance where you just go 'Okay, I'm number one, my friends and family are number two, my dog is number three, I forgot what number this plate is'.

From personal experience I can tell that for longer periods of time they don't even like this. They start to feel used by the sex and guilty for liking it and they generally start believing you don't value them much at all (which is true).

So whatever you do, the girl will end up being unsatisfied.

[–]sd4c 2 points3 points  (1 child)

At this point I'm not sold on the love and caring. Disrespect, sarcasm, and laughably cruel emails have garnered me more ass from LTRs than any fancy dinner I've shelled out for

[–]SetConsumes 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Can of worms, but, since you started looking...

Learn tantra, how to have multiple orgasms, and about Chaos Magic's idea of Gnosis.

Then when you orgasm after your breath is flowing you can 'catapult' yourself into Gnosis and commune with the universe and your deeper self.

[–]makethemflaunt[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Resources? books, links? Thanks

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[–]hahayeahthatscool 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Just for the fuck of it since u seem like a normal human being but does this shit actually work from personal experience

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[–]thebrandedman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't mind me, just frantically scribbling notes.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get you're fairly young, probably early 20's. I don't want to be condescending but later in life, sooner than you think, you'll change your views. Hopefully.

Money makes the world go round. Wisdom, kindness and power are hardly possible without money. When you strugle to make ends meat, you don't have the time and energy for wisdom. Kidness... how many lives can a poor or even middle class man reach? What joy can you bring to yourself and family when you barely have time for them, struggle to provide them a decent living and smell each other's fart in a small rented apartment building? Oh, and Power, you'll have none. Zero.

You can't impact the world being poor. Probably the only way to do it is to become a martyr. A rich man feeds thousands of families daily and has time for his own, providing what's best for them. When your kids will get sick, your enlightment and spirituality won't mean shit. They'll die in your arms because you took the hippy bullshit road instead of doing the hard work and earning coin the smart and difficult way.

The hippy path is all cool and fun when young, but you turn into a loser the instant you hit 30.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Great post. This fact saddens me, as welll. I try to live Christ-like, as I was raised Christian and vibe with Jesus' teachings. But you can't always be Christlike towards women and get pussy...those two don't mix.

Perhaps this is why the disciples and the apostles were single.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think everyone with old fashioned values would be saddened looking at the current state of affairs. I'm sure women always liked rough stuff but I do believe they are following this 50 Shades of Grey fad to far.

There were girls that wanted to be strangled and scolded my teenage ass for not doing it like Chad had done. This is the girl that didn't like her hair being pulled so I just quit doing it. I figured she wasn't that experienced with rough sex so I left it on the backburner. Turns out she was very selective with her kinks.

It's as if they all watched a movie where the female actor was grabbed by the throat but never the hair. Which means it ain't the 'right kind of sex' in their book.

[–]SetConsumes 7 points8 points  (5 children)

It actually weirds me the fuck out sometimes, because I'm all into my belief of "do no harm" and "think good thoughts" and Buddhist style "right livelihood". But I guess you have to give the people what they want...

That's probably the biggest mindfuck for a "Nice Guy", beta man unplugging to the red pill. At least it was for me.

I strived all my life to be good, to be kind, to be genuine. I treated girls great. And guys great. I treated everyone great. I didn't feel like I was a doormat or giving in covert contracts. My motto was just "I'm not on this earth to make anyone worse off after interacting with me". Not only did it just make "sense", but it's the message you hear 100% of the time from parents, teachers, girls, everyone. Raised atheist, I found in Pacifism, Humanism and Buddhism the spiritual guidances that matched my existing prejudice. Of course gays deserve equal right, so I was a gay-right advocate. Of course women deserve equal rights, so I was a feminist. Of course I was also not very successful with women... Again, not that I was being a doormat. I was just very kind. With a girlfriend I'd never have a fight, never a conflict. Yet I'd always get dumped fairly fast.

Then I discovered they liked rough sex; being choked and slapped. Being physically and mentally abused, "just for play. Only during sex" of course. Well that was weird. Weirder even; that improved my relationships. Then I discovered through the red pill they like to be submissive to a dominant male in all aspects of the relationship. That's very weird, that's against everything they say. Yet weirder: I haven't been dumped ever since...

I've gone through similar sentiments. Always wanted to be good and kind.

Then treating her less kindly and rougher during sex improved my relationship. Quite the head fuck.

Anti-red-pill people and other feminists hate us. They describe us as misogynists; that we hate women. I don't hate them. Only that I do not respect them anymore. And for that they love me. But you know what? I hate it. A lifetime of being raised and self-developing into being respectful and kind can't be erased overnight. The disrespectful version of me is just an act I put. But I have to act list this if I want sex and love. It sickens me.

I couldn't continue being incoherent. So since women demand disrespect, I hate them for being so contemptible. Plus, every woman that wants a relationship with you wants you to be her slave boy, and they prey on your love and feelings created by your mother against you. So much noise to manipulate men as a whole and have us as their slaves. There's plenty to hate and hatred is useful and good.

Buddha I thank for helping free me. But I do not want to nobody with nothing for the sake of bliss. Hatred comes from passion, and passion leads to power.

[–]makethemflaunt[S] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I couldn't continue being incoherent. So since women demand disrespect, I hate them for being so contemptible.... Buddha I thank for helping free me...and passion leads to power.

I understand this struggle so well. How can I be happy if I am powerless and abused and unable to get sex and companionship? So then you use anger to generate power. But then your power is married to anger, and so the happiness you seek will never be yours.

If we view it like Star Wars and see that path as following the Dark Side, surely there must also be a Noble Path that the true Jedi take. Where power comes from a wholesome intent and alignment with the force. Of course, Luke never got no poon tang...

[–]bizmarck 14 points15 points  (0 children)

"Anti-red-pill people and other feminists hate us. They describe us as misogynists; that we hate women. I don't hate them. Only that I do not respect them anymore. And for that they love me. But you know what? I hate it. A lifetime of being raised and self-developing into being respectful and kind can't be erased overnight. The disrespectful version of me is just an act I put. But I have to act list this if I want sex and love. It sickens me."

This rings so true with me...

[–]CrodudeClassic 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I know that feeling, brother. I've always strove to resolve conflicts as quickly and peacefully as possible. Needless to say all my relationships have been fairly short-lived. Am finally getting to the point where I speak my mind and purposely word it in a way that seems hostile. And lo and behold, women eat that shit up and fucking love me for it.

Completely goes against my nature, but I try to think of it as role-playing.

On an unrelated note, while reading this post something clicked: I had always wondered why my parents kept so much coconut oil around the house for "health benefits" yet they never seemed to actually ingest any of it. And we were always running out. Going to go puke now, I'm out.

[–]yaysmr 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I can relate, but my problem is approximately the inverse of yours.

By nature I'm a bit of an asshole. Especially I dislike people who are illogical and ignorant and proud of it. But as with you, I was trained, from birth to the age 18 (when I finally left the house) that respect and adoration and "do no harm" was the way to go. And I took that seriously for a long time. It was rough, but I developed the discipline to follow a path that ran against my nature because I wanted to be 'good' and to the 'right' thing that would, I was told reward me eventually.

Ironically I developed a discipline to keep myself on the 'straight and narrow' that serves me well now, even though I was applying it to a self-defeating purpose.

And, as you found it doesn't work. Flat out. I couldn't ignore that I was not getting the results I was seeking. Yet people told me to just keep at it and I'd reach my goal. Well fuck that I don't have time to waste.

And since reading RP I've 'returned' to a more comfortable sort of cold aloofness with bits of asshole sprinkled in. I'm calibrating it now, but the results are already superior.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See what's been confusing me lately is that I have no problem getting laid, it I'm not aloof really. I'm very playful and goofy and TBH pretty fucking weird. I would compare mysef to the joker. I don't take much seriously. I do what I have to.

Idk I always thought aloof was the way to go but I would argue being more indifferent and independent of social obligations does lots for you.

I always keep an open mind and I could be wrong but I'm very curious to know what you vets think about the whole "joker" approach

[–]A_Man_In_The_Arena 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've thought a good deal of this disconnect. There is a good book by Bhikku Bodhi that discusses the eight fold path that helped me resolve this - remember that ignorance (avijja) is is the source of suffering/discontent (dukkha). Ignorance gives rise to the different different unwholesome states of mind (kilesas), ie greed, aversion and delusion that lead to attachment and suffering. By learning how reality actually works, whether by scientific inquiry or insights presented here at TRP, we remove the shroud that prevents correct understanding and allow us to use our compassion to accept reality as it is. It is our ignorance of the nature of women that leads to the greed manifested as oneitis or the rage that people feel when first swallowing the red pill. I think the disconnect you're feeling is because you still haven't fully accepted the insight you've found - you cognitively accept they like being dominated, but still feel that it SHOULDN'T be that way - they SHOULD value nice guys and polite treatment, they SHOULD like kindness and chivalry. Get rid of the "should" - see them as they are, and use your compassion to accept them as they are.

[–]blackberrydoughnuts 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I don't understand why you can't be respectful, kind, and dominant.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It depends how dominant you are and the personality you have. I doubt many guys can fulfill a girls rape fantasy and then turn into kind Bill after the act.

Guys that idolize love and cherish commitment would be so stupid to never be capable of being all of these at the same time. But if you accept the realities about women and like them accordingly, then you should have no issues.

[–]blackberrydoughnuts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well I'm a kinkster and have done a lot of BDSM activities so it's normal to me to play rape and then have loving aftercare. And I'm fulfilling my own rape fantasies, not the girl's!

[–]Rocky_Bukkake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

you clearly haven't changed, learn to like yourself

[–]x0diego0x 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You were raised under the correct values, problem is, values, morals and ethics aren't usually aligned with nature. We're more like primates than we'd like to accept, and many of our social interactions are framed by evolutionary traits that are embeded in our human/monkey and even reptile nature.

Then, we have reason. Humanity, more specific, western culture, has achieved great progress thanks to embracing reason, the scientific method, secular values, and all those nice things that make us civilized. Those are good things, be nice to people, treat them like you would like to be treated. Those are values of a respectable, reasonable person. Don't fight them.

Somehow, I think women being raped by raids in the past, when we were still hunter gatherers, left and evolutionary trait that today is seen in submisive relations.

[–]cuteman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Keep in mind the generation of women that raised this current batch of men. If anything I was hugged too much.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wasn't hugged at all and I still got burned. The problem is much more complex than a soft upbringing. It's this generation.

[–]balamory 1 point2 points  (1 child)

you don't have to call it physical and mental abuse if it isn't affecting the person negatively... its just a dominance submissive thing, women happen to be on a wider scale more submissive then men simply due to genetics.

[–]Yokep 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I resonate so much. Jesus Christ.

[–]TonyZ554 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have no idea how much this post resonates with tons of men today, the up votes you have are just a small glimpse of really how much every man has had this dilemma at some point or another.

[–]rashnull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Flips the "No more Mr Nice guy" on its head eh?! Most say, and rightfully so, that being 'nice' is manipulative. You really just want to fuck her silly! And here you are...being manipulative, by momentarily being the kind of guy whom you would never want to see your daughter, or any woman in your family, be with! Life is twizted as fuck!

[–][deleted] 133 points134 points  (46 children)

Coconut oil. Its gods gift to men. Lube up your johnson and send him to war. Not only can you skip warming her up, but it makes some magical film that will seriously make you last as long as you want. My problem when I rough fuck is how damn good it feels, and cant sustain. Now I can go until my legs and core give out. Its like 5$ for a life supply at the groccery store, invest and good luck.

[–]Rice_Fields 58 points58 points [recovered]

Can also be used for many other things ( face, body, shoe conditioning, cooking, etc. ).
Goddamn do I love coconut oil.

[–]Rahtwylr 33 points34 points  (10 children)

Helps with digestion, good source of positive fats, fixes your credit score...

Just to name a few..

Edit: fix spelling

[–]RedMoonAscendant 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Fixing your credit score I can believe. But fixing your spelling? Now you're attributing fantastical properties to this stuff.

[–]BrodinsOats 39 points40 points  (10 children)

Going in raw with coconut oil is goddamn amazing. The best lube ever.

Unfortunately it cannot be used with condoms.

[–]corsega 26 points27 points  (1 child)

The exception is non-latex condoms. Coconut oil doesn't degrade the material they use.

In any case, coconut oil stains the shit out of your sheets. Be warned.

[–]adam_varg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Washouts just fine from mine.

[–]lifeontheedge38 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I tried skyn one day and am never going back to Trojan. Skyns are not made from latex. They are made of polyisophene. They transfer body heat WAYY better. Their breakage rate is 1-2% greater than latex but I'll take the chance. They are also coconut friendly

[–]BrodinsOats 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, I already use Skyn, they're amazing. Time to whip out the coconut oil.

[–]TheThingsIThink 26 points26 points [recovered]

For the love of god take your coconut oil out with a spoon and put it into a bowl. Plate of mine dug her hand and in there and rubbed her coochie and then got seconds. She's a single mom with her tubes tied. I wear condoms because I know while I'm spinning her she's spinning me.

I threw away a nearly full Costco size container of coconut oil

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I usually just pull it out and put it on me, I would never let those verman touch my precious essential oil. I would just buy a new tub if that happened its so cheap its criminal haha

[–]50-50-fitpic-dickpic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can re-purpose an old scentsy warmer and use it for coconut oil. Just put a scoop in the dish, warm it up, dip your dick in it before fuck time, and just turn it off when you're done. The oil will solidify again.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 7 points8 points  (1 child)

coconut oil is magic, I first got it cuz I had a toothache and was at the store buying some orajel, the checkout girl gets all excited "you know what really works, coconut oil!" she was a bit chubby.

[–]plaaya 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Hahaha those chubby chicks are so friendly.

[–]sickofallofyou 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I used avocado oil (and it's pretty good), but definitely going to try coconut oil next.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ive heard similar effects, never tried it though, make a post to compare them when you do man.

[–]writewhereileftoff 4 points5 points  (1 child)

What? Is this really legit? I've never heard of it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Next time you go grocery shopping find a coconut oil jar, same size as peanut butter. Buy organic. Fuck that, buy two. One for the bedroom and the other for your food. Its way better the olive oil for most uses other then baking [due to its low burning temp, ime]. Its browns garlic and onion way better and doesnt taste like coconut again in my experience. Its cheap and last for fucking ever. As far as lube its great for anal and great for sex. If you have a bigger/girthy dick and your sick and tired of a chick not being wet right away or is too tight to just jump right into full pounding then this will totally remove that problem. It has the added side effect of lasting longer and making your dick look like a body builder all oiled up, ime. Shit is dope, judge it for yourself!

[–]trancedj 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Coconut oil is the bomb. I keep a stash next to my bed. I use the organic brands and scoop it out into a smaller container. It can be somewhat solid but it melts quickly. Easily the best lube I've ever tried.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perfect for toys, dicks, cooking, hair. I hope you keep different containers but still couldn't agree more!

[–]ben0wn4g3 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Link to product on Amazon please?

[–]baseballfan901 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Coconut oil is safe for a woman's vagina?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah its actually healthy from what I've heard for chicks. Helps cut down on yeast and smells. Keeps their chemicals balenced I guess, I am NO doctor.

[–]LukesLikeIt 22 points23 points  (2 children)

I'm guessing she told you because she wants you to do it again.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 9 points10 points  (0 children)

yup she was sitting there thinking "why doesn't he do that anymore . . . well I can't tell him flat out I want that, because a dominant one doesn't take orders from a submissive one! Well I will give him hints then"

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I've pretty much always known I'm into rough sex even from the beginning of my time discovering porn at an early age. It's the only thing that gets me off anymore.

Having said this I've done a lot of research into what the bdsm community does and stands for. First of just kind to say choking is hot, makes the girls experience of the sex better due to the lack of oxygen going to her brain, but it is also dangerous. There is no sure fire way to know if what you are doing will kill her in 30 seconds or right now. Also there is nothing less sexy than a trip to the ER. That being said, there are so many other things you can do to get girls off and indulge in making her a submissive slut.

Spanking as you mentioned is great. Id like to add to this biting the nipple. I usually will start by sucking her tits and then applying light pressure with my teeth and just a bit of a bite and slowly work your way up to bigger and more forceful bites. She'll probably "hate it" but we know that's bullshit.

If you're into it, get some rope. You don't need to be a pro rigger and suspend her from the ceiling, just go on YouTube and look up twisted monk two column tie, and single column tie. If you're cool about talking to her about it before hand and getting her excited to try new things with you this is a great option. Practice before hand on your own ankles that way you don't stumble through trying to do it during sex. Make sure there is a fingers worth of space between the rope and the skin and tell her if she feels pins and needles in her hands/feet to let you know and untie her immediately.

I'd suggest anyone who has these tenancies of getting forceful with women learn more about BDSM because the community if full of info about how to have safe rough sex and they're very open about it and want people to learn the proper techniques. Do note though, they're not the typical red piller type usually, there's a lot of feminists.

Hope this helped! Reply if you have any questions on where to start looking for info.

I do want to touch upon the thought aspect of your post.

You really shouldn't hate the girl you're with. If you truly hated her you should dump her. Do it because you know she loves it, because you love it. It's not hate you're expressing, it's raw desire, passion, lust. You should be thinking this is what i want, this is what you want, and we both know it. There is no hate in that, only love. The idea that this is hate fucking comes from an insecurity that you can't do this and still love her. If you love her, and she loves how you're fucking her, there is no hate.

At first I struggled with this concept. I thought I was going to be a rapist. I thought that these desires would cause me to hurt women. I understand now that it's not true, that you can have sex like this and have her love it. And there's nothing better than being with someone who wants me to do this to her.

[–]makethemflaunt[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the quality reply bro. Appreciated greatly.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lol of course BDSM forums are full of strong independent wymin who don't need no man hahaha

[–]adam_varg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah same here.

I found manosphere when i was looking how to get better at dominance.

[–]FrameWalker 54 points55 points  (0 children)

You dumb slut. You dumb fucking slut." And she just got more and more into it and so would I.

This has been my experience with most girls. Its the truth. Women are ashamed of themselves for the same reason there's anger on the redpill. Its cathartic and spiritual to be treated with honesty. Sweet tender love makes them guilty and then resentful. Rouugh degrading sex leaves them purged and thankful

[–]verify_account 38 points38 points [recovered]

It's not hate, it's dominance.

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[–]recursoinominado 22 points23 points  (2 children)

I second this. They are praised 24/7 even though they know they aren't this goddess that betas/society say they are, so, deep down, they want to be treated badly because they think that they deserve it.

[–]DysfunctionalBrother 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I agree. I mean they get validation just for being female and they get more of it than a man that does the damn plumbing in the house which he obviously had to work hard to know how to do, so of course a part of them is going to be thinking "The fuck are you validating me for? I might like it, but i am fucking useless."

[–]yaysmr 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well to put a finer point on it:

They have to work harder if they want to even maintain the illusion that they're equals, which is annoying by itself. (of course they've parleyed this into 'women work hard to be perceived as equal to men, ergo that is unfair!"). They have to shoulder far more responsibility than they're actually comfortable with. The stress mounts and they can't handle it but have to work ever harder for the illusion.

Being able to let go of that stress and responsibility, even if only in the bedroom, is a massive relief. No need for illusions there! So much easier.

[–]GodFan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This actually explains a lot. Turns out being handed recognition rather than earning it has a price after all.

[–]slam5003 36 points37 points  (0 children)

"Yeah...you like that, you fucking retard?"

[–]cazzah123 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You know how if that certain guy at work asks to borrow $5 and even though you could you just say you dont have it?

Then theres that guy that you over hear across the room asking if anyone has $20 he could borrow and your more than happy to lend it to him?

Woman are like that when it comes to rough sex.

If shes not that into you shes going to pretend shes not into all that rough stuff.

If shes into you? You probably cant ever be rough enough.

[–]heavenorhell2 30 points31 points  (8 children)

Women love being dominated. This is something betas will never understand.

[–]TheThingsIThink 12 points12 points [recovered]

they don't understand because if they ever try they shut down. They haven't cultivated the energy or frame to do it.

[–]heavenorhell2 7 points8 points  (1 child)

They have the wrong frame. If they do it, they will be considered rapists. Its fucked up but thats how women work.

[–]DarkAges1 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is an extremely important insight! Everyone read and understand this!

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[–]GodFan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think most men have an idea of what dominance is. That said, it's buried so deep beneath all the ingrained societal propaganda and bias against men, that it's hard to drum up.

[–]SetConsumes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How can they? They deny and reject power, so dominating is inherently bad.

[–]ExamplePrime 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Anyone who tells you that women don't like rough sex has a shit sex life. Straight up. Period.

No woman will tell you "Oh I love how gentle and polite you are in bed."

[–]princesspeachy9 6 points6 points [recovered]

Fucking oath. No matter what girls want a man to bring out their inner whore. Every single one has an inner whore. They might be surprised at first if they've only ever been with a Beta or aren't sure of themselves sexual, but 9/10 they will be down for the rough stuff if you suggest it.

[–]Peter_B_Long 23 points24 points  (0 children)

LOL at the picture. You don't need to have thoughts of hate. Just have caveman thoughts. Masculine thoughts. Heavy dominance is just a part of embracing your inner caveman instincts.

This surprised me too with my LTR of 4 years. Everything was pretty vanilla. Some spanking would turn her on, some hair pulling, just mild shit, I really didn't know better. At the time I thought that just by lasting longer in bed I was a 'sex god'.

But luckily I stumbled across 'Sex God Method' (and TRP) and it opened my eyes. I think me and my LTR were arguing + her period so we didn't have sex for like 2 weeks. I was also edging during that time so my sexual energy was on overdrive. Reading SGM and having this built up sexual energy I dominated my girl. Choked her, made her call me 'sir', telling her shit like 'I bet your pussy really missed being fucked by my dick, you're such a dirty girl' and damn, she loved it. My LTR went from me trying to negotiate sex, me always initiating / etc. to her begging to come over and sending nude vids / etc. I fucking love it.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 20 points21 points  (2 children)

This is just the whole Madonna-Whore thing, writ small.

You think of rough, dominant sex as something you do out of hate, so you're uncomfortable doing it to a woman you love. "Whores" deserve that treatment, but, to you, "good girls" don't.

That's your fundamental error. Rough sex isn't about destroying a woman... it's about dominating her. You hurt her to coerce her into submitting, not to wreck her. That's the answer that girl was telling you... you used violence to force her to submit, not to kill her.

This is the fundamental underpinning of female sexuality. They wish to be subjugated, not destroyed. They cannot easily ask to be subjugated, because they fear destruction. So the fantasy is to be dominated, coerced, owned, but to be able to escape the danger of destruction by the act of submitting and humbling themselves.

Feminists see sex as inherently a violent, coercive, predatory act of conquest. Guess what? They are right. It's supposed to be like that... and healthy men and women are wired to find their respective roles fucking hot.

You are not hurting your woman, you are owning her. She's your property. Make sure she knows it.

[–]baseballfan901 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Holy Shit.

Sees the matrix

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (28 children)

BDSM has material on this. I'd suggest their sub.

I'd argue against this putting someone in the promotion zone from plate, but you do you.

[–]makethemflaunt[S] 21 points22 points  (20 children)

'Promotion zone'? I've been out of it for a while. Maybe send me a link. Don't think it was in the sidebar last time I read it. Will check out BDSM sub.

Edit: Re oneitis and her status: I've vetted this one over the course of 4 years. We've been sexing for 2 years and in an exclusive rel. for the past 6 months. Only reason I moved it to exclusive is because we're both mid 30s and I want someone who I can build and share a life with, and she's pretty awesome, but not because I think she's a unicorn. LTR does not equal oneitis.

[–]skinnysandvs 31 points32 points  (9 children)

Guys on this page really don't understand the concept of TRP. The point of TRP is to become a better man and be able to control your life and relationships like you should. Not just about getting your dick wet.

For some reason guys on this site can't get it through their heads that eventually most of us would want at least 1 kid of our own. This requires a stable relationship with a woman THAT YOU ARE IN CONTROL OF.

No one just wants to fuck sluts for the rest of their life and have no one to leave a legacy behind to.

All women aren't evil, they all have the capability to be evil. TRP teaches you how to curb that/protect yourself from the women that are.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Plenty of people don't want kids.

[–]skinnysandvs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying they don't, I'm saying don't bash the men who eventually would like a child, just because you yourself don't believe in ever committing.

[–]MacNulty 1 point2 points  (2 children)

stable relationship with a woman THAT YOU ARE IN CONTROL OF

People cannot be controlled, they can only be lead (or invited) to act in a certain way. Otherwise you have slavery, not partnership.

[–]AdonisLives 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I do. I want to fuck sluts and have a kid maybe one day. Commitment doesn't cross my mind at all

[–]skinnysandvs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From what I've seen, men with this kind of attitude get hit by one-itis the hardest. I'm not saying you need to think about locking down every woman you smash

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[–]RedPillandNoFap 5 points5 points [recovered]

+1 for insight... the oneitis is strong with this op

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

can't say, that submissive nature might be the way to get a good woman... too little to go on here.

But the fact OP is even considering it at this point is oneitis brewing. Ideally, you should be looking for any reason to drop a plate, and if she lasts a year or more without any reason, then it's an option.

At least from what I've seen on successful men in LTR/married

[–]Gawernator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not a bad rule to go off of. Even my dad suggested a similar one year rule

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've talked with a lot of married men at mrp. The ones who had the easiest time with their map seemed to all have this same story.

The worst ones tended to be the fall back bb guy to their women, or had diagnosed bpd.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not. My thing, I just know they do ot

[–]mflbatman 10 points11 points  (4 children)

How does one protect themselves from sexual assault allegations when the girl has regrets or reservations after the fact? Whether she feels ashamed when she tells her friends or guilty because her boyfriend doesn't make her feel that way?

[–]makethemflaunt[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

One way is to make her tell you she loves it. That she wants you to do it. E.g., "Tell me to fuck you." Her: "Fuck me" ... "Tell me you love it." Her: "I love it"

But that only goes so far. The other way is to make sure she doesn't have regrets or reservations after the fact. Your job of framing the situation isn't done until you can frame your sexual encounter, no matter how rough or degrading, as something she thoroughly enjoyed and appreciated you putting her through. That work happens immediately afterwards.

Whatever you do, don't stop calling her cold turkey and make her feel completely used and useless. You want her to continue to care about you and to want you. A woman scorned... will fuck your life up anyway she can.

[–]TangoZulu 13 points14 points  (0 children)

"Aftercare". You need to follow up all the rough stuff with soft cuddly lovey time so she knows that it was all role play and doesn't feel used and abused afterwards. Perception is reality for women; even if she loved it (and consented) in the moment, her emotions afterwards will determine her truth moving forward.

[–]redditmodssuckass 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A friend of mine recently went through this. He kept all pictures videos and texts that she had sent him. Pretty hard to claim rape when an hour before she texts "i want you to fuck me so hard!"

[–]georger25 9 points10 points  (1 child)

The dark side of the force is a source to many powers, some may call... unnatural. -When you realize the Emperor is RP

[–]ehcolston2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Someone should do a RP analysis of Star Wars, that would be hilarious.

[–]richardguy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My ex was into this sort of stuff HARD.

She even asked for me to choke her just kissing. Strange how it all worked out.

She did flip out when I started when she wasn't ready and I nearly choked her into unconsciousness, but otherwise she really enjoyed it.

Reminds me, I really need to figure out how to work this in when I meet this new girl again...

[–]NeoreactionSafe 10 points11 points  (4 children)


Devil's Advocate Movie:



Dad fucks Mary Ann... on a scale of one to ten... an eleven.

Women have a deep desire to be obliterated. Surrender is a kind of willingness to die right there with your dick inside her.

It's definitely weird, but it's the way women orgasm.

This is also why Mohammed could behead the fathers and brothers of women from the tribe of Medina and then have those women have sex immediately after they saw it happen and them orgasm into accepting new males as rulers over them. Women are naturally the spoils of war.

In the old days women were captured, raped, and made slaves... it's in their biology.

Modern women miss being raped on a sexual level while on the conscious level they speak about political correctness. It's a complete contradiction.

50 Shades of Gray.


[–]Risinglucian 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Healthy relationships go through stages biologically. Early they are driven by adrenaline (danger and excitement). You need to prove your worth as a man and prove to her you can protect her. By choking her, you prove you have power over her but refrain from taking her life.

After, you have to move into the oxytocin (nice, comfy loving) phase. This is where most people fuck up. Men who don't know how to be a calm patriarch become weak and pussified by the good feelings that success and fatherhood bring and letting their wife dominate the domestic sphere. For mastery here, look to figures in the Bible and characters like Michael Corleone. Never stop working out, but ease off if you're a beast and a beefcake. But ultimately: find your place in the world and grow up. Become that boring, rich, competent guy at the golf club.

The best way to go forward isn't to rely on the adrenaline phase, it's to master the oxytocin phase. Otherwise, your relationship will spiral into divorce. Divorce has been on the rise in no small part because of the media emphasis on adrenal sex while snarking patriarchs in the domestic sphere.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can confirm, I've been with 3 girls and it's always the same thing, if we have nice, gentle sex it's still a good experience. But if we have rough sex and I choke her, she has multiple orgasms with full body quivering and is usually enthusiastic about round 2-3.

[–]aanarchist 6 points7 points  (3 children)

love, not hate, you channel your love and desire for who she is and what she is. eventually she'll figure out that you don't love her, that you're just faking it, and the relationship will collapse and you'll blame awalt, like every other post on here that's like yada yada yada, she turned on me, awalt boys.

it's like you have your hand in the water and you can feel something in your hand, but you're not yet sure what it is. "what thoughts can i be channeling, what thoughts should i be channeling?", beta, seeking permission. "what is going on inside me, is moving through me, and how do i want to express it right now", alpha, self assurance. beating her or hate fucking her is because you think that's what turns her on, that's like fast food and she'll just get bored and "upgrade" from mcburgers to pukeburgers to shitburgers until she dies from poisoning herself, and you're just a rung on that ladder. you love a girl? give her what she needs, what you both need, not what makes her feel good, not what's easier or what you think she wants you to do, force it on her if that's what she needs.

do you even care about her, do you even see her as a human being? do you understand what it is that she needs, why she needs you to put her hands on her throat and why it makes her feel loved? or do you just wanna put the dick in.

[–]makethemflaunt[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm digging your reply.

do you even care about her, do you even see her as a human being? do you understand what it is that she needs, why she needs you to put her hands on her throat and why it makes her feel loved? or do you just wanna put the dick in.

Yes, goddamn it. I do care about her. Hence me trying to figure out how to give her what she needs without mind-mantra-ing hateful words. However, it may be true that I'm not authentically passionate enough about her to give her the love-based throat throttling she craves.

It may be that I intellectually "chose" her because of all her great qualities, because she is submissive, sweet, caring, because she cooks and cleans and wants to take care of me, because she wants to do good for others and the world, because she'd be a good mom, because she's financially responsible, because she's intelligent and the only person I know whose worthwhile to talk with at length, because she's a friend, because she's got a nice body.

But it may be that I'm not carnally inflamed by her flesh. What in that case?

[–]SetConsumes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're missing her flaws. Focus on them.

I haven't been able to non aggressively have rough sex. It doesn't make sense either.

I do things like try to split her open with my cock, which is obviously not possible, but creates an aggressive violent mindset without being hateful necessarily. But that combined with being hateful is even more effective.

[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

carnally inflamed? i don't know what that is. what like she doesn't turn you on? if she loves you she wants you to be turned on and to satiate your every fantasy, that's how she'll feel loved is when you "use" her in that way.

[–]henry589 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Try to channel the domination of your woman. Or think of time she pissed you off, it's what I do. It's hard to hate your girl when you love her.

Yes yes I know it's just your turn. AWALT etc.

[–]deci-mator 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Whenever you're fucking her. Just remember AWALT. And that she will make Sam wait , whilst for Chad she doesn't even spare a second. Think about the fucked up things women do to survive. Then you're good to go.

[–]Authwarth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women like hardrough and dominant men in bed because it's biology. I don't think you have any problem in being dominant with her.

However, I suggest you that you start focusing more on what you like sexually: sex is not an exact science.

[–]BiggestOfBosses 2 points3 points  (1 child)

try this one: "You like that, you fucking retard?" Guaranteed orgasm

[–]massivewang 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've been reading about how women like rough sex, hair pulling, ass slaps, dirty talk etc for a long time. I was a virgin until three years ago, so it's all pretty new to me to begin with.

With that said I'm not a natural at these rougher parts of sex, so they're a bit weird for me. A girl I've been seeing here loves dirty talk. It comes out for me when I drink a bit, so she's always thrilled when we bang when I'm buzzed up. The first time I pulled her hair when I was hitting it from the back she went fucking ape shit, she was screaming and moaning like I've never heard before. Afterward she was raving about how much she loved it when I pulled her hair.

So it's anecdotal, but it's definitely been confirmed in some of my experiences. It's a bit weird but I'm trying to adapt to each girl/scenario as needed.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

I had a recent plate who loved a bit of aggressiveness in bed. Light choking and dominating her etc. One night we were getting really into it and I said something along the lines of "you like that my slut?" The next day she said she doesn't want to see me anymore because I called her that. So be careful. Some girls will let you treat them like a slut in bed the actual word comes loaded with negative emotions and stigma and so they may not want to be called it. I always treated her well and never shamed her at all and never asked what her n-count was, but I guess she just had a big hang-up with that word.

[–]makethemflaunt[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nah. It's not that she had a big hangup, it's that she wasn't emotionally in a high enough state for you to escalate the verbiage that intensely. Depending on how charged the word is for her, depends how elevated a state she needs to be in before she can accept it. And then, it will be super powerful...

[–]whuttupfoo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It might've been the way you said it. You might as well have said "you like that m'lady?" And tipped your fedora towards the floor with enough strength for the feather to flow gracefully through the air.

[–]SetConsumes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it sucks. Hard to test the waters without offending.

I'd see her reaction of it used in conversation not directed towards her.

[–]adam_varg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nah. You just hit a nerve and she is hang up on something.

Most woman in my experience have some names that turn them off but it varies unpredictebly.

For example one chick: cumbucket, dirty slut, walking holes Ok, whore not Ok. Other chick whore ok, slut not.

You ask during pillow talk and then use it next time if you wanna play it safe. I dont and no chick have broken it off when i hit bad name yet.

[–]BobbyJ91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You failed the shit-test hard. lol

[–]HS-Thompson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When she said she didn't want to see you any more did you get into a discussion about it and backtrack and say you didn't really mean it that way? Or did you practice amused mastery and say ok sure whatever then see you around? That sounds like a shit test to me, I've had girls do that freak out before, I just reply with "ok" and they usually come running back in a day or two.

[–]Mithra9009 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not about anger. It's about emotional content.

[–]-The-Pussy-Whisperer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Have you read Sex God Method?

It also seems you two have developed the start of a bdsm relationship. Very fulfilling with the right participants.

[–]makethemflaunt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read the first half. About to start on the second half...

[–]Cenki 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I clicked into some weird shit, but it was still fun and entertaining :D

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Amen brother. Caring and good sex have an inverse relationship. It's terrible, we want to "make love" to a woman but genetically she is programmed to want a hairy muscly dude ravage her after he has defeated all the other males. I've never done the choking thing, but one of my FWB's from a few years back told me the exact same shit "the other day i was thinking what great sex we had that night", i'm thinking the one where we banged 3 times after work and i made her a great half-time dinner while she was blowing me, "you know when you popped in at like 4am that saturday". I didn't even recall most of that uneventfull night, drunkenly stumbled from the AW to the club, didn't pull so i rang her cause it was closer than my place, fell on my ass at least 3 times during sex from fatigue and alcohol, pretty sure i accidentally fucked her in the ass and was rough because i just wanted to finish fast and sleep which of course is impossible with wine-dick. "Really? I was drunk and tired, couldn't have been that great", nah, what a guy views as degrading and complete disregard is viewed by her as positive. I've tried since to be rough on purpose, doesn't work. It has to be a heartfelt and earnest DGAF-if-you-are-human state of mind, then she will love it.

[–]Pigfucker_Mohammed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got into the habit of almost exclusively having rough sex with an LTR once. She liked it, a lot, until she grew kind of tired of it. Because she knew that basically every time we banged, it'd be that intense. I don't really know the word to use: exhausting maybe? Like, I dunno, sometimes I'd rather watch a comedy or documentary than an action movie.

I learned that it's best to keep an element of surprise and not to overtax her. If she doesn't quite know when the sex will be rough, there is surprise, a tension of sorts, and women love that.

[–]terrorhobo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've been in a LTR for a year and a half and i still hate-fuck my girlfriend. I'll call her a worthless whore, tell her that I only keep her around as a fucktoy, etc. Anything that would piss her off outside of sex is fair game. Anything that's an immediate relationship ender outside of sex is where i draw the line. There was one time i even starting moaning her friend's name (I've never moaned my girlfriend's name once) and she started crying near instantly, 30 seconds later she came harder than i've ever seen.

[–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Years ago I had broken up with a girl under really shitty circumstances and for a long time afterwards she wanted to reconcile but I was still bitter. It may not have amounted to a full blown hate fucking but we would get together and it would be rough anal sex: pants down, bent over, face to the bed and up the ass dry.

Her comment: "I feel like I'm home!"

The fuck?

Two weeks ago I got together with my now ex-girlfriend for what was basically goodbye sex. (The FWB dynamic might still be on the table, but we live in different cities and don't have cause to travel to the other).

Anyways, we are going at it and grab her throat - with a firm grip but I don't apply any pressure - and I ask her: "Do you want me to be more gentle or do you want me to be rough." She meekly says rough so I tell her "then say it; tell you want it rough!" So with a bit of coaxing she crying out loudly: "I want it rough! I want it rough!"

I was happy to provide. . .and there was much rejoicing.

Example 3 was my first LTR who was an absolute sweetheart, innocent and all that. A buddy of mine was over at our apartment and we were sharing drinks. He starts clowning about and asking what her pet name for my penis was. Then he says "I know, It's The Punisher!"

We all have a good laugh, he eventually leaves, and she and I get into bed. We start making out and out of the blue she rolls over, face to the pillow and ass in the air and starts chanting: "Punish me! Punish me!"

Another girl, within an hour of meeting, takes me back to her apartment. She had a chin up bar installed in the archway between the living room and the kitchen. Given that she wasn't a hard body and probably couldn't even do a single chin up, I asked "What's that for?"

"It's to tie me up to, silly."

And that set the stage for the whole evening.

Examples abound but bloopers hamster it away with something like "You attract insecure women", or my favorite: "I don't know any girls who are like that!"

[–]screenmagnet 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There is a difference between 'hate fucking' and rough, dominant sex. I have done both. You have correctly identified that the key to pulling either off is adopting the right mind set and attitude.

Rough, dominant sex is about asserting physical control over her while simultaneously signalling loss of control over yourself. It is about communicating 'you make me so hot that I can't control my base instinct to throw you down and fuck you the way I want/need.' It is about exhibiting your unrestrained passion for her. Choking can be part of that sexual aggression.

You can add sexual humiliation into the mix by playing into the taboo of the 'dirty girl who loves (your) cock.' Instead of thinking of your girl as a 'dumb slut' (which is in fact truly hateful and demeaning of her intelligence), think of her as a 'dirty, horny slut' who will do anything to get your cock inside her, because she wants and needs it so bad. If even that is difficult to reconcile in your head, you can depersonalize it by thinking/saying things like 'your pussy is soaking itself for my cock.' That way it's her pussy that's the horny slut, not her. This gives her a safe space to set aside her inhibitions and beg/scream in bed. Now, remember, she is a slut for you because of how she desires you. She wouldn't act that way with anyone else...only for the cock of the man that she desires and loves.

None of the above has anything to do with hate fucking. Hate fucking is about expressing the cognitive dissonance that comes with sharing emotional and sexual intimacy with someone who you have ambivalent feelings about (i.e. Both hate and love). It is about punishing her for having a hold over you. Hate fucking is almost always damaging to a relationship and very difficult to pull off, and it sounds like that's not what you are after here anyway.

[–]_Trigglypuff_ 1 point2 points  (3 children)

You think these chicks have issues when you just start calling her a dumb fucking slut for no reason out of the blue?

Not white knighting, just thought that part was funny.

[–]redditmodssuckass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting user name for someone who is white knighting.

[–]rayray2kbdp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the main reason a lot of kids are here on TRP is because they've been abused and suffered a lot of sexual and gendered trauma.

[–]solarcon6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You almost choke her to death.

  1. She surrenders to you. She respects you.

  2. and you don't kill her. She knows she can rely on you.

  3. and all the time she completely belongs to you. And you take her all the way through, and what she's feeling is, that you completely take care of her. Doesn't matter what you know.

You can bring her roses, she can promise you anything, nothing verbal is as strong as this kind of experience. You can be an asshole, if you can take somebody through this stuff, it works more than thousand words. If you stuff your cock into her mouth, it's something different, because you just use her and she feels it like that, especially if she has feminist traits. You need to virtually kill somebody and then save his life. Call it Stockholm syndrome, whatever, this is how human brain works.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Channel the energy is the right idea if you ask me. It's quasi-religious for her and no reason it can't be full on religious for you, too. When you're fucking that bitch just right, you're not even yourself. You're Shiva, the destroyer of worlds, thrusting your gleaming lingam-rod into that quivering blob of protoplasm that she turned into under the influence of your presence.

[–]Hokuto199x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To me, there's no need for there to be any malice or anything to do this even if I love the other person. Sometimes it just turns me on more to be a complete savage, so I act like a savage. It feels great to just let go and be an animal for a little while.

[–]icecow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

half-hate fuck her a few times first. Let her know it's coming. That's what she wants. Maybe just limit it to unlimited half-hate fucking for awhile. skip the hate fuck unless you know it won't be anti-climatic

[–]silverbullett 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Excellent thread, I don't often post, but thanks OP for sharing your ideas! Very intriguing think think through

[–]SchlagerScar 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Here I am again, continuing with the avuncular adages: love and hate are not opposites.

Can't believe nobody else is saying this.

The real opposites are love and indifference. You have passion, you don't have hate for this chick.

From your other thread, you were talking up some good, very good qualities of hers, and some negatives as well. I was going to say over there, you can LTR a high quality woman who is not perfect--just ignore her bad behavior. Occupy yourself with life, of which she is just a part.

My life is mine, I do what I want. So when I want to fuck long and hard I do. I am actually, like you, still amazed when I do something that seems borderline degrading (or even way over the line) and get a positive reaction from it.

Well, I'm going to seem like I'm contradicting myself here, as in your last post I said I regretted staying married (which I still do), but... I don't know. I've been in the field all day, I'm tired, forgive me.

...what I'm going to say is, it is possible to have an LTR with a high quality woman, who is not perfect, and not be miserable, and you can continue to have hot, energetic, insane, continually renewing hot sex way into your 50s.

Also, there isn't really any contradiction or conflict between TRP and Buddhism. As I said in another comment, they are both about seeing beyond illusion and desire.

[–]makethemflaunt[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Thanks for your thoughtful replies uncle. I read them and reflect on them thoroughly.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Open your holes for me, you little slutty cunt. That's what you are you know, a hole for my cock. Be a good hole. That's right, reach back and spread it for me. Tell me what you are. Say it. Where do you want me to fuck you? Where? I can't hear you. You are made to be stuffed full of cock, aren't you? Aren't you?! Say it! Be a dirty whore for me or I won't fuck you. etc etc etc"

My girls all love this kind of talk. I mean really love this kind of talk. It goes on from there but I don't want to turn this post into a porn thread.

In this way I offer them complete respect, love, and admiration. I love them at their most basic, their rutting whore natures. It's only when I try and get them to love me romantically that it all falls to shit.

[–]Vanq86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It makes sense from a caveman perspective. A woman's biological predisposition is to mate with the strongest, most dominant male they can as that would have the heartiest genes to pass on to their offspring and that male would best be able to provide and protect them and their offspring.

This also explains why 'nice guys' get dumped quickly or rejected in the first place. As men doll out affection freely and without merit, and seek approval / permission from their partners, they subconsciously elevate their mate above themselves in the social / sexual pecking order. When this occurs the impression of dominance is lost, and along with it goes any biological attraction that resulted from that cavewoman disposition mentioned above.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck these hos OP. After reading so many stories on the inter webs and just dealing with bitches in real life. I have serious and I mean serious trust issues when it comes to these bitches. Especially knowing there are probably multiple bitches out there getting thoroughly fucked like your girl or whatever and are pretty much damaged goods. Some of these bitches are getting pummeled out here.

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