Red Pill TheoryYou don't need to be a 1% man to just get laid. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by offthebeatmeoff


I really went balls deep in the self improvement community roughly 2 years ago after a pretty bad split. I knew of the redpill already, but was lucky enough to get my start in the GLL community, because at the time I wasn't trying to be the best me I could be. I just wanted to get laid more so I could move on. This post is for guys who just want to have more sex. By all means keep improving yourselves as much as possible, but you don't need to do that much to just get laid.


This stuff has been said, but I'm seeing a lot of posts where guys are complaining a lot, and saying they can't get laid in their environment or saying this and that about how Chad gets the girl. Right now there is someone uglier, shorter, balder, fatter, poorer, or less cool than you getting laid. As GLL pretty much says, if you look good and talk to girls, you will get laid. It is literally that easy if you have extremely basic fundamentals and don't do anything too stupid.

If you are above 15% body fat, do whatever you want to cut down to a low enough body fat to see your abs and your facial features well. Right there you'll be more "handsome" than most of the blobs out there. Buy clothes that fit and have a modicum of edge and style. Combine the two and you look cooler and sexier than most guys.

Now that you look good enough, you have to actively hit on girls. Be a little bit sexually aggressive to screen out girls who aren't down. For example, I ended banging a girl I met at a bar down in UNC, by barging through these small guys next to her and telling her I thought she was sexy and if I could have her number (I was meeting another girl later that night so I couldn't do anything with her that night). Just from an approach like that she knew I wasn't the type of guy that wanted to spend all night texting and talking to her about my hopes and dreams.

I've done similar moves to other girls and they shoot me down almost immediately. It's ok because now I know they aren't down and I didn't waste 20 minutes of my life trying to get her to like me.

If you look good enough and you actively hit on at least 3-5 girls a day with some aggression, you'll be going after at least 100 girls a month and one of them will probably be sexually available and attracted enough to you to touch your wiener.

The more you do it the better you'll be at it. It's exactly what I did when I was in that depression in my life. It worked. I got three cute fuck buddies and I still aggressively hit on girls on the weekend.

As you continue to actively improve yourself to be the best man you can be, the quality of women you attract will also improve, but you have to start somewhere.


You don't need to be a top 1% God among men to get laid. Keep improving, but don't use it as a crutch to not hit on girls, or compare yourself to the top .0001% of men


TLDR: Try and look you're best, go be a little sexually aggressive and hit on chicks. You don't need to max yourself out, speak 5 languages, make 7 figures, or anything special to just get laid. Quit procrastinating and just do it if you want pussy.

[–]103342 209 points210 points  (61 children)

A hard pill to swallow (that most of the times is completely ignored by TRP) is that women don't think long term if they want to fuck and most of them also don't value their body so much to the point of only fucking a 20% guy.

I've said this here already. The same girl that is going to play hard when you cold approach her at the park will fuck a guy 5 min after meeting him, in the bathroom of a nightclub, because she liked his beard.

Girls fuck losers all the time. I know because I used to get pussy much easier when I didn't lift and made zero money, but I was constatly in places where girls went to put out.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 97 points98 points  (36 children)

Yeah a lot of guys really don't get that. It's all about their availability most of the time. Girls are weird like that. Maybe she has to work early in the morning so she won't fuck if you meet her Friday night. The next day she's out with her friends and she doesn't want to look slutty so she won't do anything then either, but if you catch her on a Tuesday at happy hour when she's unwinding after work and none of her friends around, she'll happily spread her legs for the goodlooking enough guy she just met.

[–]103342 88 points89 points  (29 children)

It just is hard to accept (for some dudes) how easy it actually is, and that sometimes you just have to be at the right place and time.

A girl that is average and above has a lot of fucking options. If you don't believe me, just peak at a plate's social media or messages on her phone someday.

She can fuck the Chad, the drug-y loser, the musician, the rich dude, the son of the rich dude, the random guy on the nightclub, her sister's friends, the average dude from college... etc. She can and she knows it.

If you lift thinking that a particular girl will value you more for it you will feel like shit when you realize she has already fucked a skinny dude, a fat dude and an average dude, all on the same year.

There is a reason people say: "women are irrational", "women are children"... They just do what feels right on the moment. They only start really worrying about shit when she is older and jaded, but at that point she has no value anymore (for me at least).

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 37 points38 points  (18 children)

It just is hard to accept (for some dudes) how easy it actually is, and that sometimes you just have to be at the right place and time.

That's why it's called "getting lucky". There's no rhyme or reason to it.

A lot of guys who put a huge emphasis on game don't want to accept that.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 23 points24 points  (11 children)

I really wish that was emphasized more so guys won't beat themselves up that much and would quit over analyzing shit. They're looking for causes when most of the time the rejection is due to unknown unknowns. Maybe she feels ugly. Maybe you look like a guy she hates. Maybe she's infatuated with another guy and has no interest in any guy right now. You could talk to the same chick on Friday night and she could be down for railing coke and getting fucked in the bathroom. Looking good, and putting yourself out there are in your control. Everything else is just dumb luck.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 7 points8 points  (9 children)

Yep. GLL teaches this well.

I found him in 2012. He changed my life. Best part is I haven't even entered my "golden age of pussy".

Can't wait for that.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Sort of the same thing with me. I hit a "golden era", but I wasn't in the best position to really enjoy it. I'm moving again soon and I'm hoping I can go into another one. I'll be upping my creep factor with online game and I've been crazy aggressive with chicks in person. Just wait till you start fucking girls that you're just crazy attracted to man. I've hit 5 that I consider crazy sexy and dated 3. I've yet to find anything that hits that high and I've done a lot of weird/cool/crazy shit in my life so far

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Yeah I smashed a hot ass 18 year old a few months ago and it was the first time in forever I fucked a chick I was super attracted too she's easily an 8 or 9. Felt good.

For me I'm 25 but I work and go to school at the same time. I'm just now getting out of the reserves after a 6 year stint, recently got a big boy job, and finishing my degree online/night school in the next year so I'm really just setting myself up to establish myself as a man.

I'm already buff and game aware but it's hard to be in the golden age when you have so many different obligations. Once I wrap up my degree and get out of the military I'm really gonna fucking live it up I feel like a rocket waiting for liftoff.

I still put in work every now and then but it's usually in short bursts I can't imagine what I can do if I make it a consistent effort.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

That's awesome man. I did most of my hardcore creeping when I was still in the military (Fort Bragg). It was actually easier then since my friends were also pussy hungry degenerates. It's really contextual though. I hope the job you're getting allows for plenty of social freedom, so you can really put it out there. If you can get two fuck buddies like that 18 year old you'll be in paradise. I can't tell you how happy I was back when I was regularly fucking some of these chicks. My sheets always smelled like them. I'd get more into it, but I'm about to start sounding like Chris from GLL.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope the job you're getting allows for plenty of social freedom

I work in sales ;)

But yeah we're about to turn this thread into the GLL forum so I'll shut up now

[–]2awalt_cupcake 5 points6 points  (0 children)

when you fuck hot teens with big tits, that's when you're hooked on game for life.

[–]LaRedPill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You both need to read bonecrker's blog back to back, this was 12 years ago: http://no-maam.blogspot.com.ar/2009/02/bonecrker-5-women-choosing-losers.html

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

man, you guys are way oversimplifying it though. Game and being attractive still make it a lot easier and more frequent...you actually start to be able to make your own luck so to speak. It's only 'getting lucky' for guys that have nothing to bring to the table and therefore must rely on luck more than anything else

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well yeah that should be a given. Get buff, dress well, groom, get money, and be cool are all givens. All men should be doing that automatically.

[–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Because it has nothing to do with "luck"

Putting in effort into yourself, turning yourself into a jacked adonis with wealth and status and good logistics to ensure a bang increases your number of opportunities. The 9 that won't fuck a 7... Would fuck you if you were an 8. The girl that ONLY fucks guys with big dicks, WILL fuck you if she hears you have a big dick. The girl that ONLY wants a tall guy, will fuck you if you're tall enough. That's not luck. That's genetics, and outside of your realm of control. But there ARE lots of things that you CAN control.

Washboard abs gets you more opportunities for sex. Large shoulders and biceps gets you more opportunities for sex. Tall gets you more opportunities for sex. Well groomed and dressed gets you more opportunities for sex. Dominant behavior gets you more opportunities for sex.

Does this mean that a short balding guy who enjoys being dominated while living at home in his parents basement CANT get laid? Nope... He can. But he will get laid LESS or possibly not even at all if he has too many things working against him.

That is the entire basis for The Red Pill. It's a wealth of knowledge about the things that women will use to select who they will have sex with, and how to use that knowledge for your benefit.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Any men with common sense should know from a young age that working out, making money, and dressing well increases your chances with women.

I knew that even in high school and that should go without saying on this sub... I mean seriously even 16 year olds try to stay in shape, buy cool clothes for parties, and have a car or drugs or money to blow that is basic ass shit that no man should need to be told.

[–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Eh, I got Everquest, which had just came out, for my 16th birthday. It was all downhill from there. Before that I somewhat tried to do "cool/popular" things like playing football, baseball, and whatnot. After that I just kinda stopped trying.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude when I was in highschool I played Everquest, Starcraft, Warcraft III (original DOTA), and WoW.

Eventually I still got dressed up, went to parties, and hit on girls. And even back then I knew girls were attracted to 6 packs, money, cars, and drugs. It's not some deep insight to realize it's basic observational skills.

I mean shit

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (7 children)

It just is hard to accept (for some dudes) how easy it actually is, and that sometimes you just have to be at the right place and time

I have noticed this so much. I mean my n-count is in the double digits, but I wouldn't say I got "great game" or anything. I'm a good looking guy, but I always thought my one night stands were about being in the right place, at the right time. Sometimes some game might have come into play, but it comes down to going out to places like bars, clubs and parties, having fun and maybe you get lucky.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

That's basically all it is. Only some girls are DTF at a place. If a club has a 100 girls in it, maybe only 10 are DTF and of those 10 only 5 or 6 are you able to bang logistically. Now out of those 6 only 3 meet your standards. "Getting lucky" and having good game is just finding one of those girls and sealing the deal with them

[–]antariusz 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If a club has 100 girls in it, 50 of them are DTF with the right man.

There might only be 1-2 men in that entire club that meet each individual girl's selection. Maybe it's the man she's already fucking.

But to say that only 10% of women are having sex after a night out at a club is naive at best.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In a club a lot of girls are usually going to after parties and shit like that. They usually already know who they want to bang and he's going to be at the party. Most girls won't completely abandon their plans and friends for a random dude even if he is goodlooking. That's why I said maybe only 10 girls

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse 18 points19 points  (0 children)

my n-count is in the double digits

This n-count qualification B.S. on here has to stop, it's a parody of itself at this point

[–]Sav_ij 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"but at that point she has no value anymore (for me at least)." holy shit this is the savage sanctuary ive been dreaming about

[–][deleted] 14 points14 points

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[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 16 points17 points  (4 children)

This stuff deserves a post on it's own. There are a lot of great contributors here, but if you get too caught up with some stuff guys here say you'd think that they just charm these girls so fucking hard with their solid frames and stoic attitude that these chicks would leave their friends, take a 20 minute uber ride to a place they've never been to, and get fucked even though they have work in 5 hours. Maybe in the future I'll make a logistics specific post and talk about a lot of my own dumbass moves.

[–]2Overkillengine 2 points3 points  (3 children)

A large part of the "luck" factor is just choosing to act when the logistics are favorable on both your and her ends.

And women will not usually tell you that the logistics are good on her end. You only get to know after initiating. Which leaves men having to rely on the accuracy by volume numbers game approach.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd argue that's just what game is. You should be looking as good as you can when you hit on chicks. (doesn't mean you're wearing a tuxedo or anything stupid) Now you're physically screening chicks to see if they are interested. When you finally hit one that is DTF and sexually available, You're focused on sealing the deal with her. You don't waste time trying to get unenthusiastic girls to like you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is one of the reasons I can't wait to be living on my own when I can afford to do so. It will make logistics so much easier. She is less likely to feel "slutty" if I'm living by myself because other people won't know we had sex.

[–]drallcom3 34 points34 points [recovered]

Girls fuck losers all the time. I know because I used to get pussy much easier when I didn't lift and made zero money, but I was constatly in places where girls went to put out.

Losers have nothing to lose and practically play the numbers game all the time. They have the perfect mindset for getting laid.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse 14 points15 points  (11 children)

Just a thought: there's a big difference between 'losers' and an actual loser. Some guy who's on meth 24/7 has a social circle and is probably hilarious. He gets laid. Yet society would call him a loser.

Then you have some guy who watches anime 24/7. That guy is a loser who's not getting laid.

It comes down to "are you in a social circle?", yes or no. Big problem for those who aren't.

[–]rigbed 9 points10 points  (7 children)

This is an important distinction. A guy who wastes his life doing dumb unproductive shit but has a social circle with girls is going to score way higher than the hermit who is by himself solving the meaning of life or something like that and one time when desperate approaching some woman without any confidence or experience.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 5 points6 points  (6 children)

This is the reason I thought "monk mode" was the dumbest thing I ever saw for guys who wanted to get laid. Unless they were grossly over/underweight. They could clean themselves up in a matter of a week and start banging 5s and 6s without any real improvement besides the superficial.

[–]rigbed 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Yeah but you're "very tall"

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

It helps enormously, but we're talking about tagging 5s and 6s for guys who aren't getting any at all.

[–]rigbed 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Are you skirting the question of how tall are you exactly

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

No I told someone in another thread I'm about 6'8

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lol try numbers game as a 167cm fat, balding guy with patchiest beard. If I can't get rich and marry s tall woman my kind will devolve into hobbits.

[–]FreeRadical5 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I think that is another procrastination tactic. Social circle is such a loose term that it can always be used to feel bad and not good enough.

You don't need a social circle to sleep with a girl. You absolutely do need social skills. Social circle is often a side effect.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

All this stuff heavily overlaps with one another. If you're cool and look like a player, you'll become friends with guys that are also somewhat into that dirtbag lifestyle (regardless of their profession). If you look like a player (Handsome with sex appeal aka this post), you'll have success with girls and will probably put your pee pee in some of them. You'll end up being FWBs with some and you'll meet her friends and social circles where you'll meet more guys and girls. You can do this anywhere if you live their longer than a month or two.

[–]FreeRadical5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't necessarily. Being a massive introvert I have never kept a social circle. However I still manage to do really well with women. Social circle seems more of an hindrance from my POV. I literally walk up to the girls I want, make small talk and ask them out. Keeping friends and hosting parties just to have a chance at asking someone out seems like a massive waste of time and energy... Not to mention it reeks of desperation.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 17 points18 points  (0 children)

It's just like real estate- location, location, location.

[–]Monkey_Jerk 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I was constatly in places where girls went to put out.


What would you rate your face?

[–]103342 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Mostly house parties and bars. But parties in general.


[–]LaRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think I fucked on the first date every time, except for my current girl which told me on the second date that we would only have sex on the third to which I answered by telling her "get ready for the sex motel tomorrow then, that would be our third date", and she was down.

And every girl I fucked on the first date told me she never did that, maybe they do it to make you feel special, maybe they do it to make themselves feel not a slut. Who knows, every girl will fuck you the day you meet her if you like her enough.

Edit: Except a very small subset of traditional girls, they are extremely rare and most probably the ones you think are like that are just faking it (and yes before you tell me anything I shit-tested this girl to hell and back to see if she was bullshitting me, she wasn't, but still AWALT)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

where are these places that girls go to put out?

[–]103342 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Mostly house parties and bars. But parties in general.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How do you go to a bar and not drink? When I drink, I want to enjoy myself and crack jokes and not give a fuck. Terrible for gaming. Also adds calories quickly.

[–]103342 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I used to drink a lot. You are correct, it makes you fat really fucking fast.

For me, alcohol helps my game a lot, I am a really smooth drunk lol.

But I don't drink so much now, it is not worth the health and physical downsides.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha. Alcohol and smooth only works sometimes for me. I get rowdy.

[–]tuxidomasx 26 points27 points  (4 children)

After you get laid a lot, you see things more clearly.

But before then, pussy is all you think about.

I know, I been there.

Hurry and fuck lots of girls so you can get on with being a man.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

It's funny you mention that because that was basically going to be the topic of my next post assuming people liked my propaganda.

[–]A_Becker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, get on it, man. This is good shit!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Sex is like air - it's not important until you're not getting any."

[–]2awalt_cupcake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree. I was fucking a lot a year ago. And it's still on my mind. I just like to fuck.

[–]aRedThought 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Most of the guys that get crazy amounts of pussy that I know are "low lives."

They have little job prospects and spend all night at the bar, they are smooth talkers and get mad pussy. They live for the night time.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This is the Nice guy to Scum bag scale. Nice guys are completely non aggressive, straight laced, boring, and generally living sexless lives outside of vanilla LTRs. Scumbags are scumbags. They're good for ONS and pissing off mom and dad. They have lots of sex and almost no relationship potential. All of us lie on this scale to some extent. For the sake of getting laid, you want to lean more towards the scumbag scale.

That means being sexually aggressive, and having an edgier style.

[–]Mukato 43 points44 points  (14 children)

Solid advice. you can look pretty shitty and be 30%+ body fat and still get laid with decent looking chicks by just being confident and aggressive, what have you got to lose by getting shot down?

[–]M0E_007 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Good solid points Women are like cats it's all about the approach.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You're right, but like I posted you're much better off being somewhere around 10-12% so that you can have distinct facial features and decent abs as long as you don't look like a complete twig. You literally have nothing to lose at all. It's not easy starting out though

[–]sir_wankalot_here 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Use the term assertive versus aggressive.

Assertive people state their opinions, while still being respectful of others. Aggressive people attack or ignore others' opinions in favor of their own. Passive people don't state their opinions at all. The chart below gives some examples of the differences between passive, aggressive, and assertive behavior

Aggressive is actually a sign of insecurity.

Chad, who is 5'2", and has been just been questioned by the cops is assertive. Sometimes Chad collects loans for other people, he is always assertive never aggressive.

He politely explains to the person he is collecting from, why they should repay the loan, explains the consequences of their actions if they fail to do so. The other person sometimes becomes aggressive. Chad then calmly gives a visual, hands on example, of what is in store for people who do not pay their debts.

[–]pyrom33 3 points4 points  (0 children)

yes, it's true because Dominance and aggressiveness is very attractive for women.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think a lot of people are not factoring in how much harder it is under those circumstances. Believe me, I KNOW you can because ive done it, but the amount of effort and time youre putting in is wayyyyy too high for the results. To me, the time and effort it takes to get laid when you're decidedly low or below average just isnt worth it. You at 18 percent body fat are getting laid with far less effort and that's the truth

[–]aanarchist 13 points14 points  (2 children)

focus on enjoying yourself, be a person who is happy with whatever he is doing in the moment and engage other people and be interested in what they say. people like people that feel good to be around.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

That's fantastic advice in general. It will make you happier and more enjoyable person in the long run, but in the context of just getting laid, you're better off going out, looking good, and just being a little sexually aggressive to girls you want to fuck. There are plenty of social butterflies that are very pleasant that don't get any pussy because they aren't sexually aggressive with women.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 13 points14 points  (18 children)

I've been out recently and really failing with women. Made an asktrp post about it the other day. I'm very forward but simply being unattractive fucks my chances a lot more than it should. People have no trouble sleeping with my skinny BP friend but I get just straight up rejection constantly.

You need to have a minimum SMV in all cases to be qualified to be 'bangable'. I thought I was at least the minimum but apparently not.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 20 points21 points  (17 children)

I don't know what you look like man, but if you aren't around 12% BF, get there. It'll bring out your cheekbones and you'll look pretty decent. Get a stylish haircut, and groom yourself. Trim the nose/ear hair. Clean up the eyebrows. Style your beard. I usually rock a 5 o'clock shadow length beard that's shaped up well. Wear clothes that fit and look good. Nordstrom rack is a good place. It's pretty cheap and the clothes are stylish enough. Wear a stylish bracelet or necklace so you don't look plain. I don't do this, but I'm a tall ethnic guy so I stick out enough already. I don't recommend tattoos or piercings because of career reasons, but they do make you look a little edgier and girls that put out like them.

If you do that stuff and get down to 12% BF through whatever method you want without looking like a total twig you should get laid. Just go out and hit on girls with some sexual aggression. Eventually you'll get better at recognizing eye contact girls that are interested give out and you'll be more efficient. Once you have two fuck buddies you'll really give off the IDGAF vibe because you're getting good steady pussy so you can keep hitting on girls with even more confidence.

Don't give up man. It's as easy as looking good and hitting on chicks. Just do those basic things and get back to me. Let me know how you're doing

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (14 children)

Solid advice, broseph. I'm currently cutting down to 12% BF and surprisingly even at 22% I can see women looking at me differently. I feel that being more muscular than most men helps (6ft 230lbs) but still nowhere near a beach body.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 10 points11 points  (13 children)

This is an unpopular opinion among the "enlightened" people around here who do nothing at all for women, because girls are dumb and they only do things for their own amusement, but being really big will mainly impress other dudes, and the select few women who are attracted to that. If you hit a good lean 6 ft 210lb then you'll probably be killing it even more with girls. I'm built like a basketball player and I've had girls call me muscular. I'm taller than you and I weigh a little less at the moment. Good luck with the cut man

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Yes -- but only a tiny fraction of men have the willpower to ever face the problem of getting 'too big', so we should continue advising men to lift as hard and as often as possible.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I meant too big in the sense of surpassing that 12% ideal and going into that heavier territory that comes with loss of facial features and increased water retention. I'm not worried about anyone here curling too hard and accidentally becoming Phil Heath

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

his point makes no sense, honestly. No one here is saying you should become the fucking Rock, but rather that lifting frequently will fill you in and give you definition. Without roids, most guys have no chance of getting truly 'big' due to time constraints and funding issues (eating enough naturally to get to that level costs a lot, and the supplements are no joke either). It's such a stupid point. For your average dude, lifting for a year and watching his diet will get him sexy as fuck; but not big, there is no fucking danger of getting too big, that doenst just happen

[–]rigbed 1 point2 points  (6 children)

How tall we talking? Sounds like you're in the upper echelon talking down to us shorter men about how you don't need to be tall to slay

Although at 6'1" I'm not really complaining but I'm not dwarfing any women either

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

at 6'1, both of us cant complain, but rofl dude is 6'8...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Honestly anything above 6ft is a big game changer. Women just love to hear that 6 out of your mouth when they ask your height, not to mention you have way better spotting capabilities when you're above 90% of people's heads.

[–]rigbed 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeah but unless you're op's Height you're not making the average woman feel small. You need to have a foot of height on a woman to dwarf her to the point where nothing else really matters otherwise you need to compensate with body mass and muscle

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I can agree to a point. I think an entire foot is a bit much, as average women are 5'6ish in my area. Most women I've met feel small around anyone 6' (that has good posture!!) so long as they aren't grossly under or overweight. That means about half a foot is a clear advantage.

Height is important but it's really just a trait that will get your foot in the door, only 6'6+ monsters can rely solely on height. The key is being taller than the rest, not just freakishly tall. You're right about muscle mass though, it makes you look taller by default.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

man, are people really saying you should get 'big' in the pro weightlifter sense? I think you're misrepresenting the intention there. When people say to lift, they do mean hitting a lean muscular look more often than not, especially if youre natty like most people are. Barring a lifestyle of lifting and steroid usage, there really is no danger of becoming big, so I take issue with you downplaying lifting and its effects on the body; your average dude, fat or skinny, is going to look a fuck ton better after a year of lifting and it wont be 'BIG' like a wrestler or anything

[–]ganjat0ker69 1 point2 points  (1 child)

while I agree with the assertion that getting too muscular isn't usually good for girls, if you look at any of the instagram dime pieces their boyfriends tend to look like greek gods. Being lean is the most important part, but being yoked still helps a ton. the order though should definitely be get lean > get yoked while staying lean.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This goes back to context. These girls are usually fitness chicks. They want to date a Bradley Martyn. These girls are a minority, but you feel they are a majority because you're checking out instagram and all that stuff. If that's the chick you want specifically, then you need to enter the demographic to even be visible to her and you'll never do that natty. You'll need to tren hard, and eat clen. For the other 95% of girls you just need to be lean and sexy aka 12% BF visible abs and defined features

[–]Neverd0wn 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do you think that a main reason most guys aren't getting laid a lot is because they don't actually go for it? i.e. they talk to women fine but don't escalate by touching her so they don't get seen as sexual guys?

So, if those guys would 'try' harder by escalating they would mave more success?

[–]MyLittlePonyofDoom 10 points10 points [recovered]

All this shit seems incredibly random. Sure lifting is good but after a certain point there are diminishing marginal gains to be had so you might as well go and put yourself out there.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I'm not pushing for being built like an Adonis. I'm just saying you should have distinct facial features which is possible at lower body fats with minimal water retention. That's very doable naturally. Guys just look healthy at that weight and will more likely than not be rejected for their looks around that range

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Holy shit I'm looking back at a few girls I slept with and I didn't even try to fuck them at all. It just happened. One chick told me straight out she wanted to fuck me, and all I did was be myself around her. No gimmicks, no game, nothing. Right place at the right time indeed.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you start being aggressive and screen out more women, you'll find yourself getting luckier. You're right though. It really is just luck in finding a women who is sexually available, logistically available, and up to your minimum standard

[–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 6 points7 points  (7 children)

TLDR: I'm not top 1% but rather average in most respects, but by numbers I am top 10% or better because I put the effort in.

Elsewhere I pointed out that being in the "top 20%" of men overall is not difficult and not something you can brag about.

Cripes, I only have two things going for me: I have decent facial features and I have a top 1% IQ. However, on the latter point it took years of training and experience to translate that into social savvy. Otherwise, I am fucking unremarkable: not jacked and have no money to speak of.

I don't bed supermodels and cheerleaders on a weekly basis. I average one new lover per year. But that is consistent and most were hot, quality girls that I did bang on a weekly basis over a short or long term.

I won't go into specifics but racking up an n-count of two or three dozen is top 20% or 10% of what guys will ever experience. A smattering of 8s and one or more 9s is exceptional but not out of reach of otherwise average guys who put in the effort.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Don't put yourself down man. Where do you feel your lacking most? You don't have to be crazy good with girls to tag a dozen or more a year. You just have to put in the effort.

[–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I went slumming it and got 6 in a year but I had to compromise on quality and most were ONS rather than STR or LTR. I didn't really like that.

I don't "put in the effort" in the sense of running constant day game or night game. I use internet game and it takes a couple of weeks to find someone I am comfortable with and then I try to stick with them until things run their course.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Holy shit.

You just admitted to being not fit, to making no money, to not approaching girls, to only be using internet dating, leading to you getting only one new lay a year.. yet I remember your username as one that posts and comments often. I checked your profile: you average 10 new submissions to the red pill subreddit every 3 months...

Please do tell me you ARE putting efforts, that your annual number is only low due to you being extremely picky, or doing exclusive LTRs by choice, that you not being jacked is due to genetic issues that prevent you from doing the number 1 rule of this sub...

[–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Last two: A, B So judge for yourself what my standards are.

I am more of a serial monogamy guy so get in with someone like them and work it. What is the brag about fucking 10 different 5ish or 6ish skanks in a week, a month or a year? The two above are 11 and 22 years younger than me, respectively. The first is a professional fashion model and the second could be if she dropped 5 or 10 pounds and got some orthodontics.

But now I am in a different city and we will see what happens.

To be honest, sometimes I don't put in the effort because I just don't give a shit. Women are not the end all and be all.

In terms of numbers, maybe you fancy yourself as a player. Turning over a new girl every year is actually top 20%.

In terms of lifting, I turn 50 this year and have a sedentary job. I know I have to put more effort into that. No lectures needed.

But I can get by with intelligence and charm so I don't need to be jacked. Still, I should be: you are right, there is really no excuse.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Cheers for the detail. You're definitely not as low SMV as your couple previous comments made it sound like!

[–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well "fuck you", LMFAO. . .I love you too.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't realize you're age. That makes a lot more sense now. I still have to say that running basic guy game and looking healthy will allow you to have much better quality. You'll pull your caliber a lot more frequently that way. If you had abs from proper dieting and exercising 3 times a week, and dressed well you'd kill as an older professional. Just talk to one girl a day you find cute/sexy when you are living your normal life. Or pick up an activity you enjoy that preferably has girls. Repeat. One girl a day still over 300 a year. I'm sure at least one will be up to your standards and you can do with her as you will (LTR, STR, ONS, whatever)

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 5 points6 points  (1 child)

TLDR: don't be unattractive and approach like crazy because it's a number's game.

Totally agree with you but how do you suggest one develops a "sexually aggressive/assertive" behavior? Approach anxiety and Nice Guy syndrome are both huge obstacles to overcome.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This isn't a sexy answer, but it's a lot of practice. It took me a lot of approaches before I felt natural touching girls I didn't know as fast as possible. I'd hold their hands as long as possible, squeeze their biceps and sometimes I'd walk up to a girl making eye contact with me and tell her she was all types of sexy. It didn't feel natural. Felt like someone told me my technique was wrong all this time and I had to actively break my old habit and build this new one. It took time

[–]Nyghtshroude 10 points11 points  (28 children)

This assumes you are physically attractive enough in the first place for women to like you.

I'm about 5 ft 9 with around an average face. Body weight is around 148-152.

I wear glasses, but that's probably it for me. I'm about an average body in build.

Women ignored me even in university when I was around 135.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 13 points14 points  (24 children)

I'm telling you this right now. You don't need to be incredibly attractive to fuck girls. This stuff kind of hits close to home and it's only recently that I got over it. I've dated 3 very hot girls. Objectively they were 8s. Some guys will say 7 some will say 9, but it depends on your type, but generally they would turn heads when they walked past most guys. I really cared for and loved each one of these girls. One of them was the bad split I mentioned in my post. Every single one of them is now dating a guy I'd consider to be a loser.

I had to see one of my ex's to get her signature for something important and it was obvious she was still attracted to me and the feeling was mutual. She asked me to pick her up like I used to. She wanted me to do that because the guy she was seeing was too physically weak to do that to her and she laid in bed with me and said how much she missed feeling small again (I'm very tall and pretty muscular).

Before I go too off on a tangent. These 3 guys are all dating a girl now that is clearly above them in looks, but chances are the only reason they got them is because they actually went for it, and they got the timing right snagging them after break ups with me. They weren't too ugly to outright reject, and they had the balls to try.

Get some edge and style. Wear some contacts, and try to be a little bit sexually aggressive with girls. I'm not trying to be a dick, but frankly they won't come to you. You have to put yourself out there and realize a lot of these rejections are just because these girls aren't available and it's not because you're "ugly"

[–]Ganaria_Gente 2 points3 points  (1 child)

fascinating stuff, dude, thx.

also LMAO @ her laying in bed with you while she has a bf.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Girls are weird like that man. She has a very nice body. Small tits, but an unreal ass (I'm an ass guy), and I have her my hands down her pants massaging her ass, but she refuses to kiss me because she's taken now. She wanted to have sex and so did I, but I was in a situation where I really shouldn't have. It's not really a black and white issue

[–]Nyghtshroude 1 point2 points  (16 children)

Hard to do that when most women don't even regard me as attractive. I'm not fat either.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 11 points12 points  (15 children)

Are you well groomed? How's your haircut. Fresh to fucking death, or a nasty mess. Do you have any edge to your style or do you dress like every other loser out there (I'm not talking about peacocking or anything stupid). How is your skin? Is it nasty and oily, dry. Do you rock a unibrow. How is your body? are you a skinny fat 152 or do you have decent abs. Do you walk around with your dads New Balances or do you wear stylish shoes. Are you sexually aggressive and touch girls a little and screen them out or do you come across as a timid pussy.

This one might not be too popular of an opinion here, but are you aiming too high. Are you able to fuck decent enough looking girls, but you won't because you think you deserve better. Is there a girl with a nice bubble butt, or a nice pair of titties, or a cute face that's into you, but you don't go for because she's "beneath" your standards?

You can't just keep saying your ugly. Most of the population is overweight and dresses like shit. It doesn't take much to be goodlooking compared to most even if you aren't naturally blessed

[–]Y0gurtDestiny 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Dude, I was with you on a lot of this stuff but I think you're missing something key here that you just mentioned. You're tall. I don't think you quite understand how advantageous it is in dating because you've never had to experience it from the perspective of someone who doesn't tick that box for girls.

For a tall guy, you actually have to fuck up in a major way for women to not be attracted to you. 90% of women are sold on you before you even open your mouth. Their eyes light up and they giggle and whisper to their friends.

Contrast this with being short or even just not conventionally good looking and it's a different game entirely. As a short dude you must definitively stand out in some major way or the door doesn't even open. Of course a short guy will have to overcome it in a number of ways - have a sense of humour, don't take rejection personal, and be willing accept a lower batting average overall for their effort. It requires a guy to have thick skin because I've literally had girls look me up and down and straight up laugh in my face or act insulted that a short guy would even have the nerve to approach.

Your heart is in the right place with this advice but what I'm trying to say is that while all of this may be true for you, it's an entirely different experience outside your frame of reference and it could be straight up damaging to a guy without the same advantages as you trying to emulate your approach to the game.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

You're right that it's a huge advantage, and I'm pretty blunt on the advantages/disadvantages I have. I'm very tall, and for the most part girls think I'm a very good looking Indian guy (I'm half Indian). I don't think my race is a disadvantage, but it brings its own advantages and disadvantages.

Yeah a lot of girls are pretty open to me because of my height. Tall girls, and athletic girls specifically. I don't have trouble meeting them, but my sex life really got stepped up when I went to GLL and learned these extremely basic concepts.

I'd waste an hour talking to a girl who wasn't sexually available and just liked the attention she was getting from the tallest guy in the room. I wasn't dressed with enough style and because of it didn't look that cool. When I stepped up my aggressiveness and leaned out a little more to increase my facial features, my game really stepped up relative to what it was before.

I'm not saying you'll have the same advantages as me, but you'll definitely do better than you were doing before if you follow the actionable advice.

[–]Nyghtshroude 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Now where I live there aren't many young people (19-25) but the only women that have shown me interest in the last 5 years are fat chicks who are below average.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 6 points7 points  (8 children)

Then the problem isn't you. You have to grow a pair and move. You need a large city of one million plus preferably. Don't get down on yourself. If you want to do this stuff, you have to make it a priority. At one point for me it was. I made sure to go out every Friday/Saturday. I would barely even drink, and I'd hit on multiple girls. Sometimes alone, and sometimes I'd have a good wingman. You can do it too

[–]Nyghtshroude 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Believe me, I will once I get a job (I'm disabled so it's harder to get work)

[–]Nyghtshroude 1 point2 points  (3 children)

And by disabled I don't mean visibly disabled. Like I'm not in a wheelchair or anything.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

You don't have to explain yourself to me bud. Just go out and make all those things happen. You'll be a lot happier and feel a lot better once you do.

[–]Nyghtshroude 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've given 110% my whole life and still basically am failing. Sure it's about how you finish but fuck man

[–]Ganaria_Gente 1 point2 points  (1 child)

hey a question if i may: i live in a rainy, chilly city. 70% of the year, it's like that.

in the summer tho, it's amazing.....lots of skin, lots of nice girls.

how the F do i deal with this weather? all teh girls as a result are in thick jackets, and so am i, and also the cold means i really dislike gelling up my hair or wearing my best looking jacket (both of which are painful when out in really cold weather)?

the closest solution is PU in malls, but damn i hate malls....overcroweded with old people and little kids, and the damn security guards.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do whatever you want, but my opinion is don't do sets or whatever the fuck it's called in malls or shit like that. Live your life like a normal human being, and hit on girls along the way. After work hit a happy hour. There are usually girls there. When you go grocery shopping Sunday to grab celery, cheerios, and magnum condoms, hit on the cutie scanning your shit or who's next to you in line. Go hit the bars on the weekend, preferably near where you live (LOGISTICS), and try pulling some ass there. You don't even need to drink. Every time you meet a cute girl just be the slightest bit physical. Ask for their number and say something like oh lets get drinks or coffee or some shit tonight. If she meets up with you then she obviously likes you. Make an excuse to go to your place. Whatever makes sense. Like "Oh I have an early morning, but we can have some drinks at my place. I have this cool Liquer from when I travelled to Colombia" or some shit like that.

[–]Boeing797-300ER 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah location is really really important. I don't like projecting my problems onto external things, but the city I currently live in (and the stem college I attend) are really dragging me down. Small (300k), heavily male dominated, almost no young women (and pretty much zero attractive ones) and no vibe or culture. Planning to leave next year when I have enough money, but its going be tough waiting until then.

[–]Fatbob888 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey bro, I'm short and Asian. Not fat like my name suggests, pretty muscular which does help. I've had girls of all races into me. Being short is a disadvantage, but you can talk your way out of it. I remember going on a tinder date with a girl taller than me. She was definitely not interested in the beginning, but I worked around it.

Current ltr is a 7-8.5 depending how she dresses. If we break up, I'll try to go for a 8-9 girl that has been into me for a year, or another girl who is a 7 and low key flirts with me even though I have a ltr. I hardly talk to girls anymore with my ltr and work, but I still have some options. Interestingly, with a 7-8, I lost out to a shorter guy, less good looking, skinny fat, nerdy, beta chode...still scratching my head about that one....

But as a short guy, you have to be a bit more of a badass. Gain exposure to a lot of women, speak eloquently, become a great public speaker, and become a sexual threat. My friends observed that i instantly become more manly when i talk to women and it looks obvious something is going down. If youre talking to a girl and it looks platnoic, you still have a lot to improve. It will take time to improve yourself, just be prepared for that.

[–]woefulwank[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One of them was the bad split I mentioned in my post. Every single one of them is now dating a guy I'd consider to be a loser.

So your experience here exists in opposition to hypergamy?

[–]asktrpthrow123 0 points1 point  (3 children)

How do I put myself out there? As a guy who doesn't drink and doesn't have party type friends, I almost never go to bars/clubs/parties and even if I do, I don't drink so I don't have much to do there. Have thought about starting, but would have to make friends that are into that lifestyle.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I've been in the same spot so I'll tell you exactly what I did. First thing's first. YOU DON'T NEED TO DRINK. It's no big deal that you don't. Tell people you have an early morning or that you have to drive home. You can just get one beer or get water. You can even take some phenibut before you go out and not drink. That's what I did.

Go out alone. It's a little weird, but remember, you're out to get some pussy. Most guys go out and just stand in a corner with their friends watching all the girls they wish they could grow a pair and talk to.

I'd drive down to Durham and go out alone and usually 1 out of 2 or 3 nights I'd pull a girl.

When I was up North I'd go paratrooping in Philadelphia. Sometimes I'd swipe right for every girl in a 4 mile radius of the area so I'd have some back up options, but I'd go out with the mindset of I need to get laid or I'm sleeping in my car (if I drank too much) or I have a lonely 1 hour drive back to my place.

If anyone calls you out on being alone just say you're new in town and you wanted to see what places/people are cool (you can lie). Noone will really give you shit.

Regardless of what happens, it's great experience and will help you overcome some anxiety which is what it did for me, and best case scenario you'll get some pussy (also happened for me), but most realistically you'll still have a better time than you would have if you stayed home and discussed RP theory on the internet.

[–]asktrpthrow123 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think this is what I need to do. But I feel like if I go alone it's going to be even more difficult to grab my balls and make moves on girls... especially sober.

I guess there will be some awkward nights where I just stand there, do nothing and go home?

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Make it a system man. Just do it. It sucks and it makes you really come to terms with everything (approach and social anxiety, fear of rejection, inferiority complex). Every Friday and Saturday go to a close bar or a cooler bar that's relatively nearby around 1130 or 1200 (depending where you live in NYC where bars close at 5). Make sure you stay for at least an hour and make it an absolute minimum to talk to 3 girls with 5 being the preferable number. If you want to get over it quicker, go to a happy hour in the middle of the week as well. Again you don't have to drink. Just do it every week. It's 3 hours a week. Think of it as lifting. These 3 hours are making you mentally tougher. It's not easy and I never said it would be. You'll be glad you did it though. After a month or so if you do the bare minimum (3 girls a night Fri/Sat), you'll have talked to 6*4=24 chicks a month. If you do the max (5 girls Tue Fri/Sat) that's 60 chicks a month. So let's say 45 girls average. After 3 months, that's 135 girls. As long as you look good, are a little aggressive, and don't do anything too stupid or weird, I can almost guarantee one will like you enough to sleep with you or date you, whatever your goals might be.

[–]swagpuffynipz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Probably because you're a twig/skinnyfat. I've never weighed 135 at 5'9. I was 7% body fat with decent muscle (didn't lift, but could push out 50 pushups/sit ups, high school fitness for ya) but I had zero extra fat on me.

As for your issue, lower your standards. Fake confidence. There's this dude at my work who acts like a boss but he's a 125 lb 5'7, bald twig. His gf is hotter than he is, not a looker, but a good pull for him.

[–]25russianbear25 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm about 5 ft 9 with around an average face. Body weight is around 148-152.

Youre an average guy. Youre better off than 50% than guys out there. Think about that. Those are very decent odds.

You have to understand the market. Girls have little demand for guys in college when their supply is at all time high. The biggest factor is being at the right place. If youre out of your room and generally social its only time before you will get one of many opportunities. Another factor is confidence. Focus on these two factors and i guarantee results.

[–]lucasyekatarina 6 points6 points [recovered]

This is really good post actually. You gave me positive feelings that i can do whatever i want. I would like thank you to but here is my question to you and TRP vets.

I'm a psychology student in university.my height 5'9" and weight 165 lbs ( i used convertor idk is it correct-175 cm/75 kg) i read trp and i'm still reading article from this sub. As you know psychology has a really good potential for chicks but i didnt even see any advantage being in that. May be i couldnt see may be i couldnt evaluate the situation but the nearly 75% of girls in my class has a boyfriend and other part of the class nobody gives a shit. I always taking care of my clothes. Generally wear more dark colors like black. I always try to find fit clotshes.

What should i do ? What am i missing ? I know i'm a avarage guy. Probably never gonna be god tier if i would go to gym and even be badass type. I'm waiting your suggestion,thanks.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I'm really glad you liked this man. I wrote it for guys like you in mind. For all intents and purposes you're average in height and weight, but I say you have an edge because you are actively seeking to improve. I have a major fascination with psychology specifically with persuasion, influence and social psych. I even minored in psych in college. That being said, right now most of that shit useless and you shouldn't think too much about theory and crap like that.

  1. Do what I wrote and hit the gym with the goal of dropping enough fat to get to that 10-12% threshold. You'll know you hit it when you have a six pack with nice defined facial features. Get well groomed. Eyebrows nosehairs ear hair beard and hair should look good.

  2. You're already wearing clothes that fit and show off your body well, but maybe it's not stylish. I recommended nordstram rack but check MFA or GQ or whatever. Don't go overboard. You're in college.

  3. Be social. Talk to chicks in your class. Hot ones. Average ones, whatever. Talk to chicks you think are sexy when your in line at the cafeteria. Talk to sexy girls in your dorm. Be a little aggressive and put out the vibe. If you become friends with them and they're not dtf, it's fine. Now you have some social proof which is great.

  4. You don't have to drink, but hit the parties, hit the bars. Girls are going out and a lot are DTF. Make your move.

[–]lucasyekatarina 3 points3 points [recovered]

Dude you re amazing. Thanks for replying my question. We are learning good tips and tricks actually in the class. I am always trying to use my knowledge in social life what i learnt from the lessons. Yes, most of them useless right now. My most overpowered gain from TRP is "dont spend your time with who doesnt like you" or i can summarize with this quotes.

  1. Still i am not sure about my hairstyle. Beards are ok. I will start go to the after 2-3 weeks later ( its probably will be so hard right now)

  2. I'll definetely looks those. I am thinking about myself that my height toooooo short for real man. This gave me limited fashion style :/ i'm liitle bit confused to find correct piece of clothes. May be its not stylish, you re right.

  3. Im living alone which would be great i could use very effectly you know :). My group on college has 3 chicks thats nice. I always try to comminicate other some part of class and other deparments chicks but there is something wrong which i dont understand may be people are just too rich in my school and as a result of this i cant be very active or agrressive. There are many idiot car lover boys and girls give a shit for god damn cars. Unfortunately, there is no option being a social in this college cos of tons of useless or closed clubs are there.

  4. I'll try but hitting parties alone wouldnt be funny or useful i think :/ ..

I'm glad to you to give me solutions to improve myself.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Let a gay dude cut/style your hair. Those dudes always know whats in style. Like I said, MFA will give you the basics. Some accessories are good too like a cool necklace or bracelet. You live alone. That's fucking awesome bud. Keep your place clean and buy some decent alcohol and have some netflix available in your bedroom. You can always pull the bullshit, we can watch a movie or grab drinks at my place line.

Look at going to parties as practice for improving your game and getting comfortable in that environment. Remember, you don't have to drink.

All the best bud and keep in touch. Let me know how you're doing.

[–]Never_See_You_Again 9 points9 points [recovered]

this will probably get buried but it's true. Went to twin peaks today to try out some new game and basically just asked for a private booth by myself by the bar and ordered some drinks and food immediately. Wore some decent clothes that i knew I could pull easier with (baseball tee layering ftw) basically acted like a young rich white guy and basically pretended to be upper class. The most amazing thing happened, like 3-4 different servers coming up striking conversations with me while my main server fought them off. Keep in mind, this was my first time with the "acting richer" approach. Ended up being *asked for my number from one of the waitresses who wasn't even in my section, just from coming up and striking a convo with me. Keep in mind this is twin peaks so all the waitresses are pretty good looking. Best part about this is not even the girl wanting to hook up but the potential for pimping the situation out and getting more numbers from the twin peaks waitresses. The kicker? I live out of my car and work a part time job. Main lesson learned: keep lifting, get to around 10% bodyfat, have a modicum of style like OP mentioned, and if you aren't balling, treat yourself out sometime and just play pretend.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Way to go man. That's the way to do it. You looked good and you talked to girls. It's that easy. You didn't need to be a stoic who speaks 7 languages, who is well travelled, and makes a 7 figure income.

[–]VicVineger16 4 points5 points  (2 children)

dude this sounds pathetic. You got waitresses attention? Literally their job depends on getting you to smile and sign a bigger tip.

As far as sexual strategy goes, go after girls that look like that NOT at their workplace. You're going to experience plenty of rejection along the way, but keep at. It will pay off eventually.

[–]adam_varg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Literally their job depends on getting you to smile and sign a bigger tip.

This is right only for US and maybe rest of english speaking countries. Definetely not for most of europe.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (10 children)

TL;DR: OP is "very tall" (his own words).

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 12 points13 points  (9 children)

Agreed. Height is king when it comes to attracting females. Every man 6'0 or taller has been given a gift from the gods because no amount of self improvement from a 5'5" dude short of being a famous millionaire can naturally create the raw physical attraction and tingles that a tall man provides women.

Now I'm not saying "lay down and rot" if you're not tall but this is the redpill truth. Tall guys get laid exponentially easier and command far more female attention. Being a short guy is actually a strike against a man that reduces his "points" on which a woman would rate his attractiveness.

This should only motivate every single shorter guy to come that much more correct with their physique, style, money, fuckgame, and wordplay.

The joke goes "all fat girls suck dick, because they have to".

Well being short is almost like being a fat guy for women. Everything else has to be on point if you want to compete with other men for casual sex from attractive women.

[–]Jc968 6 points7 points  (6 children)

I'm 5'8" and do fine with girls my height or shorter (which is 85% of women)That saying is just for tall guys to give themselves an edge or sour short guys trying to find an excuse.

Just be confident, wear what god gave you like armour.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

to be fair, if youre truly 5'5, that is pretty bad lol. LIke sure, you can get laid, but telling people that short that it doesnt matter is kind of ridiculous-theyre at a huge disadvantage and have to make up for it. 5'8 isnt great, but when the above poster is talking about people 5'5 and shorter, I think we need to take it seriously. I cannot even imagine what itd be like to be that short

[–]Tsukuru_Tazaki 3 points3 points [recovered]

I completely agree here, I'm also 5'8 and have done well with women. The only issues I see here would be attracting women over 5'8", which are more rare and less attractive to me anyways. As a smaller guy, I like to have size over my partner anyways, so it all works out fine.

[–]RUALUM15 1 point2 points  (2 children)

5'7" guy with a 5'10" plate, it's not all about height. I talked to her at the bar, communicated and showed my value well through my dress and actions, and actually had the balls to make the move.

[–]Tsukuru_Tazaki 2 points2 points [recovered]

Yeah, I agree with you. I had interest from this girl from my hometown who was over 6'0", maybe 6'1 or 6'2" so damn tall, but sexy for sure. I could tell she was interested from her body language. I'm the one who chickened out there, got too much in my head about it. She's taller than most guys, so I bet this is a typical scenario for her.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That saying is just for tall guys to give themselves an edge or sour short guys trying to find an excuse.

100% true. It's a true fact that height is the number one most important male feature in attracting females when it comes to any physical feature. This isn't conjecture, opinion, or sourness. It's a fact.

No we can't change it, but you're hamstering it by refusing to acknowledge it.

[–]VicVineger16 2 points3 points  (1 child)

My whole life is characterized by getting her to touch my wiener.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

As men pretty much 99% of what we do revolves around directly or indirectly getting our weiners touched

[–]Boeing797-300ER 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its all about localised sexual value. I was a lot better received by young women when I was at arts college, because the gender ratio meant that men were in very very short supply. Coming to stem college, I am completely invisible, because the male dominated gender ratio here renders my smv as extremely low.

[–]ecosci 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Dont program yourself to fit a womans criteria its a watse of time and energy just indulge into hobbies and saving money she doesnt deserve anything nor appreciates it anyway dont post about getting poon its far to easy to get its almost zero value these dayz.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

It's great that you rather do those things. However, a lot of guys would like to have a good sex life on top of their hobbies and such. They aren't getting tons of pussy and they'd like too. That's why I made this post. It's for them. Theory and philosophy is fantastic, but some guys just need actionable advice to just do instead of analyzing theory or pondering existence.

Power to you for not having any desire to chase after women, but this post is directed to people who want to. Also, I never said a thing about wasting money on women. If these guys want to take these girls to a nice steak dinner than fine. I wouldn't do that, but everyone here is a grown man, and can make their own choices.

[–]RedBaron200 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That last sentence of the your first paragraph addresses my current frustration with this subreddit. Most of us here are looking for actionable advice. Yes, it us important to understand the overall picture but we also need to clearly and repeatedly identify the steps required to achieve it. Recently, TRP has stumbled with anti-feminist rage, FR: I'm full of shit, AWALT, etc. Let's focus on promoting more How-tos and 101s. Keep it up OP.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I appreciated finding the redpill because it led to me reading and understanding some of the things that happened in my life, but your right. Bitching moaning, and complaining only makes guys bitter procrastinators who start making ludicrous excuses to not hit on girls. I can honestly say I've hit on 100s of girls aggressively and I've faced "negative" consequences maybe twice and they were very transient.

[–]JoRocKStaR 5 points6 points  (4 children)

This dude is right! I'm not the best looking nor am I the thinnest. I'm 6'2 with a powerlifter body and all it takes is straight up sexual vibes, eye contact, and letting your intentions be known.

You'll know right away who's dtf because the girl'll hook right away. Sure you'll get rejected more than not but if you're just looking to get laid. You're bound to meet 1-2 broads a night that's DTF.

You gotta be willing to take rejections and approach like a mad man though. leave your ego at home.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 7 points8 points  (2 children)

6'2 with a powerlifter body

You're already top 10% with that alone even if you have an ugly mug.

[–]JoRocKStaR 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Funny you say that because I'm actually insecure about my height (which is weird I know) More often than not I'm the tallest and biggest dude in any room & that makes me uncomfortable.

I actually gotta tone down my aggressiveness cuz my presence alone is intimidating. Finding the balance between both has been the hardest part. But, vibe is crucial.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually gotta tone down my aggressiveness cuz my presence alone is intimidating

this right here. I'm 6'2 and by trying to be more aggressive no more mr nice guy, I scare the shit out of people. Couldn't put two and two together that I'm huge and intimidating. That's why taller dudes could play off being friendlier and sweeter and pull chicks.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's right man. I hate all this excess theory and garbage when it comes to just straight up trying to get laid. The GLL propaganda hit me first plus I was lucky enough to get a lot of girls myself before I found this stuff and had friends that got laid even more than I did. We were young, we were broke, there were smoother and better looking guys, but we were just creeps in general. We were sexual guys and we were screening for girls that were dtf. I just finally noticed it for myself and stepped it up. It's not and it doesn't have to be rocket science.

[–]Redbeam100 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Bro all you need to do to get laid is be confident, keep a good hygiene, trim every two weeks, and lift. You don't even need money because if you think having money and getting bitches is related then you're just waiting to be beta bucked. Fucking stupid. You're the key to your own struggle nobody said it would be easy.

[–]Hjalmbere 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I agree with OP. Although to hit on 3-5 girls a day you have to be a in a reasonably big city and also go to places where there's a consistent flow of new women. I share my time between a small dormitory town and bigger cities, and when I'm in a big city I consistently get laid even though I work long hours, whereas there's absolutely nothing going on in the dormitory town.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah logistics is pretty big. You can't hit on a ton of girls in a town of 1000 people in Kansas

[–]pdpbigbang 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Please give me examples of sexual aggression. I'm pretty autistic in that department.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When you shake a girls hand, you let it linger a little bit longer than normal. You touch girls in general. I'm not telling you to grab her by the pussy, but if she says something like oh you're so strong you can joke and tell her you think she could kick your ass while you play squeeze her biceps. There are lots of things. Most guys are pretty asexual when they talk to women and won't touch them at all. Something as small as that is above average sexual aggression.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

one of them will probably be sexually available and attracted enough to you to touch your wiener.

Best thing I've read all day.

+1 Internets for you, sir. Have some chicken.

[–]sidelineofsociety 1 points1 points [recovered]

This is real advice for the average guy, but when your well below average no amount of exercise or styling will help. Ugly is ugly where I live and the only thing we can do is make money and pay for it. Granted it's not ideal but after fucking over 100 pros (with the worst being a 6/10) I can't complain. I had a fivesome last month and it was incredible.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know how ugly you are, but hot girls aren't as shallow with looks as people think. If you fix your looks, as I mentioned before, you might still have an unattractive face, but if you have a cool edge to your style. Again I don't advocate it for professional reasons, but tattoos, an ear piercing, a cool necklace, and even a few cool friends in the scene you like to hit, you will come across cooler than most girls. A lot of girls will happily spread their legs for a guy that is much cooler than they are. They are very shallow with respect to that. I've seen some ugly dudes pull some hot ass.

[–]raven_borg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You may not believe youre empowered with looks but you have something desirable to negotiate with- Money; and that can be your source of confidence. Gotta work with what you have to get what you want. Now go "grab em by the pussy!" :)

[–]EdvardMunch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I fucked a girl a couple weeks ago who talked about sometimes just fucking really stupid guys with lots of tattoos. The dumber the better.

If you're masculine, not overly high in energy, not pretending and have some muscle; it's not gonna be that difficult.

If you're not the best looking dude you'll have to approach more in real life or find ways to meet girls. Tattoo artists are constantly exposed to women. Bartenders and even coffee baristas are exposed to many women a day.

From personal experience I went from skinny fat mildly attractive to in shape, handsome and girls gossiping about wanting to fuck me. All that due to experience, lifting, eating, and dressing better. People just think it's natural and only the minority seem to realize being attractive is a lot about building yourself in an attractive manner.

[–]usernamegoeshere111 1 points1 points [recovered]

Wait you go to UNC, OP??? Which bar did this happen at? ToPo?

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I didn't go to UNC. I just hit on chicks there. I did that at goodfellas and I met up with the other girl at ToPo. You go there?

[–]usernamegoeshere111 1 points1 points [recovered]

So do you work in Durham or something and go to Chapel Hill during the weekends to game? Yeah, I go here. It's heaven when it comes to women. Definitely the ideal place to be as a 18-22 year old.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used to be stationed at Fort Bragg. It is phenomenal and I've met some of my favorite girls there. Take advantage of your time there. I'm telling you it literally is one of the best places to be and I've been around.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I'm here to add another perspective to this great post

Being the top 10% can actually weigh you down if you lack the attitude, drive or frame of mind. Even if you have a good attitude, girls can easily mistake your confidence for arrogance if you don't have the drive. Even if you have drive and attitude, without the right frame of mind all of it shatters anyway.

I say this because I personally began this self improvement thing from a very early age for unrelated reasons. What I noticed is that after a while, everything I did was just overkill. Girls were covertly turning into waterfalls but none of this mattered because my attitude towards them sucked. Their panties stayed on and they just ended up getting banged by some Beta, using her impression of me as lubrication. Wrap your head around that one.

I can't tell you the amount of girls I let down because of some bullshit reason or another. Simply because I lost my ability to care. There were times where a girl was literally sending me pics of her snatch telling me to come get it. Eventually she picked up on my lack of interest (I told her I was busy) and she blew up on me. Angrily telling me that this wasn't gonna work if I wouldn't put in the work.

Instead of telling her to stay put and I'd come up then and there to smash that poon, I got annoyed and grumpy and just responded with an 'okay'. Never heard from her again. I couldn't make myself to give a damn and they were picking up on it. Eventually I'd notice the same cycle repeating. Some girl notices me, gets infatuated and reaches out. We end up talking for a short time where she tries to gauge my level of interest and I try to 'alpha game' her. She picks up on my disinterest and shows less initiative, I get bored due to this and the conversation dies. Simply because I lack the aggressive drive to want to bang this chick. I just don't and there nothing I can do to fake this.

It comes down to this. In real life they are to afraid to talk to me and I fail to notice them. On text messages they are but I get bored due to the lack of their psychical presence

This is an extreme example but my history with girls is littered with these uncaring asshole moves. Even though they all felt the tingles, I never got to bang them because I lacked the drive to play their games in exchange for sex. Nowadays my biggest challenge is actually developing an interest to stick with it and I've found that my SMV ain't helping me. Because of my attitude most girls just figure I'm out of reach. This means I actually get less girls going after me than I did when I had a lower SMV.

It actually made me slightly more bitter because I reduced the amount of girls that orbited me when I got more alpha. Thankfully I'm self aware enough to understand the reason for this. But it still hasn't helped me.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You can talk to me about it man, but I think this stuff wouldn't help a majority of guys here. It's a weird conversation to have because it makes you come across as a douchebag to most guys and I've been there. It's a weird annoying problem to have. When I hit on 5's and 6's at night, they'll occasionally neg me or try to disqualify by saying some dumb shit like I'm too tall. It's not a normal rejection, it's just an attempt to save face because I am clearly way out of their league. I didn't know it before and I can't quite pin point when it started happening. To be honest it kind of hurt my feelings a little when girls did that stuff to me. Sometimes I'd genuinely be interested in a girl and she'd say something like "I'm not like one of those sluts you fuck all the time" or something along those lines. Half the assumptions they had about me were either untrue or greatly exaggerated. It's a weird problem to have

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Definitely weird, allot of guys will face this problem sooner or later if they continue improving. Girls start negging you for one, like you said. I don't think there's a 'happy place' when it comes to women. They are either rejecting you because you are unattractive or negging you because you are.

In everything men/women related I've found that men always want to fix things, build things and improve things. And women want to create chaos and destabilize it all. So I came to the conclusion women will never let you have that moment of clarity because they will always construct some emotional hurdle to metaphorically throw you over.

One thing I remember from my bluer/low value days was that I easily got by engaging with girls and having them grow closer to me. My approachability was high precisely because I of my blue/low value self. I wasted allot of time talking to them but this also meant I got the chance to hang out with them etc.

Nowadays all these girls don't talk to me except for the annual check-in. They gave up long ago because I refused to be their play thing. I traded this in for positive reactions when I aggressively approach girls. But even then, they are a pain.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Usually hotter girls are a lot nicer to me. They don't typically do that stuff and if they aren't interested they're usually polite. I like hanging out with chicks, but to each his own. The whole negging and being mean thing is just kind of hurtful and I don't really deal with it. I recognize it well, and if I'm horny I'll tolerate it, if I'm in a bad mood I'll call her out and be mean, but most of the time I just move on.

[–]JoRocKStaR 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dude... this sounds like sexual anxiety. Trust me, Sexual anxiety has stopped me from a lot of pussy.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, I lost out on a couple of girls and had a very quick sudden break up with some bpd basket case. Now I'm just incapable of having any romantic interests. Also developed a no-drama/no-bullshit policy after the bpd girl. So whenever some girl gives me shit I instantly shut it down.

When it comes to picking up girls and having ONS or fun plates things are fine. It's a rare occurrence though for a girl not to becoming annoying after a while. Most of them last about one month.

[–]amekooky 0 points1 point  (1 child)

im done with online dating, the only place were looks really do matter and where i can only pull 4-6's tops haaha.. just pulled a solid 8-9 recently (met through friend of a friend) and I have been noticing I have been getting women to open up to me since i've been alot more involved at the local church and i've been volunteering like crazy at the animal shelter (lots of cute womenthere), I cant even imagine if i grew a pair and talked to womenwhat i could pull. first time reading about the red pill mindset, already taking notes.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're in perfect places man. Just put out the vibe and see what you can pull. It's a good mix up too. Dirtbag personality with a sensitive side

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One of my pet points here in TRP: the 70th percentile of men is closer to the 30th percentile than the 80th. Look at it like this.

It does not take a lot to rise above the 80% of chumps in this world. They are not interested in self-improvement. Lift, get to a decent bodyfat, buy a couple shirts from H&M and you'll be a men among boys in 3 months.

[–]Snooze212[🍰] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeah unfortunately some guys think 'omg I have to wait for XYZ to happen before I can even approach!' - fuck that dude, getting to a highly social state easily is how you get laid, there's no which way about it. If you're waiting until you're fuckin ripped and not improving your social skills all the while, yeah you can go up to some girl (after thinking about it for 10 minutes cause you have AA) and she'll think you look good, but as soon as you open your fuckin mouth you're dead in the water.

Now a guy who is average looks but can spit some tight game (basic fuckin social skills) and brushes a rejection off with ease and just approaches the girl next to his rejection has a much higher chance. Game is ALWAYS a numbers game, hitting as many targets as possible per day/night is guaranteed the BEST way to get laid - anyone who says different is deluded.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is, was, and always will be a numbers game. Difference is, TRP mindset makes the numbers much higher, the lays easier, and the datung life better, but even a blue pill, white knight, SJW phaggot can get laid if he approaches enough women, it's just that a similar guy who's ingested TRP will get laid 10x to his 1.

[–]iamdomesticcat 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I live with a 38 year old single woman. She is a seriously sad case of crazy. She thinks she is STILL too good for everyone and acts like a complete snob. She is nearly 40, always broke and has zero assets. Her looks are fading hard and she is coming to accept she will never have children.She is part portugese and still has a decent body, back in the day she would have been more than a 7 out of 10 but she wouldn't settle for anyone other that "mr perfect". I have to chuckle to myself about how pathetic her life is. With girls that treat people like shit. Eventually karma does catch up with them.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Know a woman who's a 40 year old virgin (not kidding). She's a 5, and was probably a 7.5 30 pounds and 15 years ago. When asked why she's a virgin and never got married she said she "refused to settle." When a friend asked her what she liked in a man because they had someone they wanted to set her up with her exact response, verbatim was:

  • " Does he have a pulse?"

Bitches be crazy, but in the end their fantasy world and entitlement end and they're smacked with reality.

[–]garlicextract[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Right now there is someone uglier, shorter, balder, fatter, poorer, or less cool than you getting laid.

by barging through these small guys next to her

you really have a problem with short people huh lmao

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