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Red Pill ExampleYour long journey, or "I can see myself with you in 5 years" (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Venny_1

A story of ~4.5 years in the making

I hoped that my first post on RP would be about my own journey; it will come though. In the meantime, I have a story for you guys about a friend of mine that I cannot help but share with the community that has helped me in so many ways.

My friend "Mark" is one of the nicest, most humble, and virtuos human beings you could come across. We've known each other for over 7 years. When he was 19, he got accepted into school of dentistry, and the man was ecstatic.

For a while before that, he had a crush on this girl, "Sarah", whom he would constantly try to get with, but to no avail. On Sarah's part, she was never direct in her rejection, and this is what made Mark abit insecure about the whole situation.

Come a few months before the start of his college, he went to Sarah, and told her plainly and directly that he was intersted in her, interested in persuing a relationship with her, and wanted her to go to his college, and see if things work out between them living in the same city. Sarah was direct in her answer this time:

Mark, I think you are one of the nicest people ever, I don't want to lose our friendship. Maybe we could try it later. I can see myself with you in 5 years, but not now.

Needless to say, this was a devastating blow to Mark's ego. His entire demeanor changed for the worse, till our gang basically grouped up on him and gave him the macho/bro treatment, that he needs to snap out of it, that the bitch is the loser in this equation, that she doesn't deserve him. Thankfully, he got the picture fast, put his feelings away and focused on what is to come: college.

The first 2 years of college where a nightmare for him, in the sense that he had to continuously study, which meant keeping hobbies and social contacts to a bare minimum; and it paid off. Come the next years of his college, he didn't have that much pressure put on, so he started taking dance classes, hitting the gym, developing a nice social circle with his colleagues, mentors and chief doctors. He took charge of his life, and developed nicely as a man.

He will be graduating at the top of his class in December, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand look who just came back into the picture! It’s Sarah you guys!! Last saturday, she came to the city where Mark and I live, on the charge that she is visiting one of her girlfriends. Mark told me she contacted him through FB and she asked if he had time to see her, after she is finished taking care of a few things with her friend. He obliged, saying she could meet him at the local restaurant-bar, where he would be hanging out with a few friends. She argued that it would be nice if they could be alone and talk. Mark didn't care for the idea, so she had to go with what he gave her.

Now I see that Mark has grown emotionally, aka he no longer cares about Sarah, and views her as an infatuation-episode of his past, nothing more.

We are already at the bar: Mark, myself and one more guy from the old gang, and 5 of his colleagues from school, 4 of which are bomb shell blonds with the tighest of bodies. Sarah came a few minutes late, but she finds us and comes towards us.

It seems that she took on a few pounds, though nothing extreme. Her skin complexion is abit darker, prolly tanning or sun bathing or whatnot. But most importantly were the eyes; that youthful glint that I remember, holy fuck it's no longer there, even at ~23.

We all started talking and joking and laughing and drinking and eating, having a good night, yet I can see that Sarah had abit of discomfort. She seemed to try to strike a "real" conversation with Mark, but he woud brush it off nicely and continue making insider jokes between dentists or tell some other random stuff, pretty much anything to keep the mood lit well.

Mark excuses himself to the bathroom, and , as you expected, so does Sarah after a while. We in the group are still having a blast, but it seems that Sarah and Mark are taking their sweet time to come back. Roughly 15 minutes later, we see Sarah coming to our table with tears in her eyes. She drops money for what she ordered, and leaves the bar with no word. Mark comes towards us all chill and relaxed, and he takes a seat with a subtle smile and says "so what's up." A girl from the group says "well, YOU tell us what's up." He shrugged it off, saying it's nothing important, and we continue with our night.

Later, when the group dissipates to go home, Mark and I walk to our part of the city. I ask him what went on about. He said she came to see if they would come together, and he basically gave her the same answer back, in that he wishes to keep things platonic, and has no interest for the romantic with her. She tried to twist and tweak as much as she can, but Mark didn't budge. He even remarked on the same things that I observed (weight and skin), and said that she has changed for the worst in the last few years, and that he deserves better.

Theory: Your long Journey

*(Most) women do not wish to be part of your journey, but they gladly wait for you at the finish-line.

*If you play an instrument, it doesn't enter their mind that you dedicated months upon months for your craft. If you have a ripped body, they don't think about the hardship you took upon yourself when hitting the gym. All their perspective revolves around the end-product.

*Sarah didn't care to get with Mark who was starting to get a grasp on his life, since this was probably her time to shine on the CC.

*Instead, she went for the "more complete" Mark when her social value started to decline and his going through the roof, trying to see if she can score her own BB in him.

Reading TRP has helped me put so many things into perspective, and hopefully I can give back to this great community as well. I wonder if Mark is a TRP reader like me.....


[–]serael 285 points286 points  (31 children)

Your friend sounds like a fucking champ

[–]1jb_trp 78 points79 points  (7 children)

As much as I like this story, we really have to be careful. This story is the exception and not the rule. That girl that you liked in college, the one from our BP days that "got away," she's not coming back. She's not going to ask you if you can be together just so you can reject her. The sooner people put that nonsense out of their minds, the more they can focus on themselves and their own lives.

[–]serael 29 points30 points  (0 children)

True but from what OP said in the story it sounded like he had truly moved on. I didn't get the feeling he had been waiting for a moment of vengeance, he was waiting for nothing which is a great moral. Hopefully people take it for the story of bettering yourself, maintaining frame, and not letting rejection bring you down that I see it for. Instead of using it to harbour feelings of resentment and dreams of "putting that bitch her her place" which it isn't.

[–]marplaneit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm med student and It actually happened. Girl that I had a big ass crush on, that rejected me a few times when I was in High School, tried to actively get in a relationship with me out of the blue, 4 years laters when I was in Med school and had 30 more pounds of muscles.

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    [–]Polishrifle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I had a similar thing happen to me. Once you realize how silly it all is, you stop doing it.

    [–]newName543456 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It's not even that much of an exception. The whole thing about RP is that THAT girl you were pining for - she never existed anyway.

    You were loving that idealistic image of nice loving caring girl waiting patiently for you. At this point we all know that's rather far from the truth. She was having a ride, unlikely to give you even a single passing thought in the meantime and only way she's available for you right now is that other (probably more attractive for her) options didn't work out.

    In other words, her SMV was much higher than his in the beginning. In the meantime she was undoubtedly riding the CC, getting less pretty as well, which lowered her SMV even more. His one OTOH just raised. And those SMVs met or even his surpassed hers, hence change in attitude.

    [–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    yeah well the " one that got away" from me, met her now HUSBAND after me.

    so, I can take a little credit from that

    [–]PUA_Wanna_be 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Why? Embarking on the RedPill journey is difficult, especially that one has to do it with a pre-RedPill mindset. The first steps will be motivated by some bullshit. This fantasy is good as any other motivation.

    [–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (18 children)

    He should have banged her in the bathroom then told her he doesn't want a relationship.

    [–]hawkeaglejesus 114 points115 points  (10 children)

    that's how you get a false rape charge

    [–]2Overkillengine 54 points55 points  (7 children)

    This. Nothing angers a woman like not giving her the relationship all those sex coins she spent "entitled" her to.

    [–]BrosacTheRed 33 points34 points  (6 children)

    This is actually very profound:

    • Weak men give out worthless commitment in the hopes of getting sex

    • Weak women give out worthless sex in the hopes of getting commitment

    This reminds me of a story: Two weeks ago I went on a date with a cute girl. She has one of those amazing, radiant smiles. I couldn't really put my finger on it at the time but something was different. I could tell she was trying hard to hide her nervousness, as women tend to do in the presence of a man they find attractive. The breaking of eye contact, fidgeting, trying to fill silences, all the signs of attraction were there.

    As I'm walking her from the first bar to the second one closer to my place I see some books someone put out for free. I pick one up and she comes over. I make a joke about the book and look into her eyes, pull her to me for a kiss. Her body feels like putty in my arms for a moment until I pull back. She shuffles her feet, holds her breath and fidgets with her fingers over her eyes. Like a nervous tick. It slowly dawns on me: I got her number while hiking in a more secluded area of my country. She took a 2 hour train ride to get to the capital, where I live. She tells me that she's sorry, she's not very experienced at this.

    At the second bar I get more intrigued as I've never really seen this before. "Either she is a grand actor, or this is genuine nervousness" I think to myself. Being the hedonistic fuck I am I milk every second of this nervousness. I tell her how nervous she is. She tells me how calm I am. I can hear her juices flowing.

    Cue to 4 days later where she is standing in my kitchen. I never asked a girl what she's looking for if she didn't bring it up herself, but for the first time I do. She answers: "I'm up for anything". I tell her I'm not looking for a relationship. She say that she knows that.

    Cue to the pillow talk. Turns out she lives with her parents and has 5 brothers. Both parents are religious. Had sex once and it sucked (grain of salt, awalt). She just finished her apprenticeship and helps her mom cleaning the house and cooking. The dessert she brought over was delicious, and she washed the dishes without asking.

    What got me thinking was how different this girl was to the strong independent womenTM. How different she was to the soulless princesses with the thousand cock stare. I still gamed her like the others, I still fucked her like the others, I am still the same man. This is no unicorn as they don't exist. But her femininity, her innocence, and her helplessness actually made me respect what she had to offer. While I will gladly take the offer of worthless sex from a tinder sloot, with this girl I was hesitant. I didn't want to break her. It wasn't even that great, even though that's something I can teach her. I treasured the sex she wanted to give me because it was valuable. Like the commitment of a strong man has worth, whereas the commitment of a chump is worthless.

    [–]kwackerjacked 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    I treasured the sex she wanted to give me because it was valuable

    I'll admit I am new to trp, but from what I've read and experienced so far, isn't this the same thing as putting pussy on a pedestal? Help me understand it from your point of view

    [–]big_booty_no_swag 17 points18 points  (4 children)

    Yup. This fool got laid and went all disney and sprinkled some TRP quotes. She's had sex more than once, promise you that.

    Edit: notice how his response has almost nothing to do with the guy he's quoting, he just wanted to shine his moment

    [–]Selfishaltruist181 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I can kinda relate to him, I have a LTR at the moment who hates feminism, had sex with one other guy before me blah blah blah. I don't think op is putting pussy on a pedestal. In my own experience I wouldn't feel bad to drop my LTR and move on in a heart beat, saying that, she is a high quality woman which i can recognise. Much like op who's found a higher quality woman and recognises it and doesn't want to damage the wears so to speak.

    [–]big_booty_no_swag 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    And I agree with that point. But, the first 3 bullets are on topic and then he went on to tell a story that was hardly relatable to the main discussion

    [–]Origami84 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Yup. This fool got laid and went all disney and sprinkled some TRP quotes. She's had sex more than once, promise you that.

    I think you are giving a bitter spin to his story that its undeserved. He met, and laid, a nice feminine girl that while its still no unicorn was still charming and attractive. That all there was to it. The rest if born out of your jadeness, i fear.

    [–]big_booty_no_swag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Probably. I don't think I'm wrong, though.

    [–]kneeonbelly 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Exactly. Get a blowie instead and film her begging for your load.

    [–]Allegro6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I have to ask, where are you from? I read about rape charge all the time on TRP but never experienced it in my country during my life so far/never heard of it happen here. Is it like a trend in most modern western countries?

    [–]serael 28 points29 points  (2 children)

    Be careful about doing things out of malice and vengeance. Waiting and going out of your way (with a years long grudge) to get at someone for rejecting you is not healthy. It only shows that person had a profound effect on you for a long time, which is the opposite of frame. OPs friend is a champ because he got over it, made himself better, and held frame when tested by the past, not because he punished her. He is the champ for being a great person whom people desire, and she simply punished herself for saying no when she had a chance

    [–]ECoast_Man 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This is a good point, and one which needs to be emphasized a bit more for some people here.

    Revenge porn stories like this are great, and I enjoyed the FR, but extremely rare. This should never be the goal of a man - to "show that bitch". Living for revenge on some broad is not a productive way to live your life.

    [–]5t3fan0 43 points44 points  (0 children)

    she might cry assault or some shit later, better avoid the trouble altogether

    [–]Boovs4life 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    I'd be careful about that. She could easily cry assault if he rejects her after banging her

    [–]sea_weasel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    That would be hardcore as hell.

    I bet being drunk would help you not care.

    [–]Mr-Ultimate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Amen. That's what I was thinking the whole time reading this.

    [–]combosplice 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    I wish I had more badass friends like OP's friend. Well handled. She wasn't there from the jump, so she shouldn't be rewarded.

    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

    If you don't want to be there during my struggles, I don't want you around during my successes. You have to be careful when a woman doesn't want you, UNTIL she finds out you are doing great.

    [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

    Lol that sounds awful lot like that bimbo Manson.

    "If you can't handle me at my worst you don't deserve me at my bests."

    Proceeds to commit suicide.

    Never try to change people or their way of thinking unless it's your kid and young enough to be educated. People only consider changing their ways when they are neck deep in shit and realize their behaviour patterns brought them to where they are. It needs constant and concious effort to change who you are. With those fancy words you wont even make a dent in someones mind unless they want to, it's just masturbation to say "see how improved I am and despair on what you lost" she will only think you are rejecting her because of your own weakness, because you were and still are a pussy who can't handle rejection only trying to hurt her for vengeance. Instead of fixing or stomping on whats broken, move that energy on brand new opportunities.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    What the fuck? All I'm saying is that if a woman wasn't interested in you before you "made it", then you shouldn't pursue anything with her if she comes crawling to you 5 years later, when you are successful. Just like in the post. That's all I meant.

    [–]BigGreezy270 143 points144 points  (25 children)

    The youthful glint turned into the 1,000 cock stare lol

    [–]trpnihtgenga 75 points76 points  (15 children)

    It's crazy - I'm 19 and girls I know are already at an N-count of 35+. Imagine that, not even 20 and the ability to pair bond is already gone. Girls in my generation and area will fuck 2-3 randoms a week. It's a crazy reminder of AWALT seeing "nice girls" I knew from high school be complete cumbuckets.

    [–]BigGreezy270 28 points29 points  (6 children)

    These numbers don't even surprise me anymore, it's a shame that this is how the world works. As long as they're semi-attractive, billy beta will support and marry them in 7-10 years regardless.

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      [–]recon_johnny 29 points30 points  (4 children)

      Triple digits.....this fucking amazes me.

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        [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        Holy shit, now that you put it like that. And every night I'm out at a bar, club or lounge, there are way more guys who aren't dancing with a woman, than the other way around. At a certain point of a night, the only women left to dance with are the fatties and really hideous ones and even they can find someone to go home with. A woman could literally go home with a guy every single night she goes out.

        It isn't shocking that a woman could get to triple digits, when you think about it in that way.

        [–]juliusstreicher 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Yep; but, you can bet that they do at least 2 per week.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Or the infamous "slutty period" for 10+ dicks in 7 days. Order now and get a complimentary copy of Western Civilization to dump all that jizz on.

        [–]landon042 10 points11 points  (3 children)

        it is crazy and If i remember my old comment, Something like. by high school some girls are done for, even middle school for some.

        I think that will become more and more common

        [–]marplaneit 10 points11 points  (1 child)

        I don't know much about US, but if you are from Big city girls start fucking at 15-16. By the time they start College any girl who is nice looking will have had at least 5-6 partners, 12 or more if she slutty, and 2-3 if she is a virgin.

        [–]juliusstreicher 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        and 2-3 if she is a virgin.

        This makes me laugh...and weep.

        [–]2awalt_cupcake 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        Some girls before 18 have had almost 20 partners. They start driving at 16. What did we expect? Mobile cock-suckers.

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Im a senior now, my 23rd birthday is next week. You'd be hard pressed to find any girls my age without the thousand cock stare.

        Some girls I know have body counts of over 200.

        [–]2awalt_cupcake 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        what pisses me off isn't the high body count-- it's that I can count on my hands and toes how many women I've slept with and right now I'm not pulling any and they're putting out but not for me as much as I try!

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Same here. I am in between the 10-20 range, but it's been a while since I had sex.

        [–]joh2141 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        I was thinking this exact same thing almost quoting Full Metal Jacket.

        "The thousand-yard stare. A Marine gets it after he's been in the shit for too long. It's like you've really seen...beyond. I got it. All field Marines got it. You'll have it, too."

        Modern feminism will argue till their face is blue that used up pussy is more "experienced" and better. The saddest part is how many betas will validate these women so they feel exactly what they believe they should be treated.

        [–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 12 points13 points  (7 children)

        Women hit the triple digits with their N-count before they're even legal these days.

        I live in a building full of young (teenage) women (Hollywood, lot of young aspiring actresses, pop stars etc), quite a few 18 and 19-year-olds running around (some as young as 15 and 16, gotta get an early start, in showbiz)...

        You talk to (or overhear) the 18-year-olds (for example)--they've all been sexually active since 14 (average starting age), and they all have sex with a new guy every week or so (and keep in mind, these are the numbers they are REPORTING, and by their own admission, they're not counting handjobs, blowjobs, fingering, anal, the guy they hooked up with in the club bathroom whose name they didn't get so he doesn't count, etc etc).

        Do the math and you quickly realize: these girls are at the 200 mark by the time they turn 18. 300 by the time they get to 20 (and again, we're just going by the average number of new partners each month that they're REPORTING, not the real number, which as we all know is obviously much, much higher).

        I don't think society at large really understands just how radically promiscuous women of the Millenial generation have become--it is truly unprecendented in history, and it's going to have absolutely devastating long term consequences for our civilization over the course of this coming century.

        And the saddest part of it all: you meet these girls who aren't even 18 yet, who've already had sex with hundreds of partners (and have felt zero emotional attachment to any of them), their pair-bonding mechanism is not just broken, now, it's competely SHATTERED (and has been since they were 14 or 15), and you realize: damn, this girl is never going to have the "love" experience. Her brain, literally, can no longer manufacture the chemicals required for her to feel "love". Not now, and not ever.

        My views of love have certainly changed since coming to TRP a few years ago, but at least I got to enjoy the illusion of love a few times over the course of my life (before finding this place and having the illusion stripped away forever). But these girls, shit, they're going to grow up, grow old, and die, all never having once felt the "love" experience at all (or even a facsimile thereof). Shame.

        [–]marplaneit 0 points1 point  (6 children)

        Agree with everything except for the bullshit about SOMEHOW FUCKING DUDES will stop producing dopamine and all the shit you need to "feel in love". Stop the bro-science.

        [–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Actually, that's EXACTLY what it does. As a woman's partner count goes up, her ability to pair bond (to "fall in love") goes down. Every single culture in the history of our planet, over thousands and thousands of years, has independently come to this exact same conclusion. Today, we recognize it as a very real, well established, well documented biological phenomenon.

        Women just can't fuck around the way that men can (or at least, they can, but not without severe consequences. Men, on the other hand, are much more suited for a high partner count). It's not bad, it's not good, it just is what it is.

        The fact that we live in a world now, though, where we PRETEND that women can fuck just like men when, in fact, the biological reality is very different (quite the opposite, really)--this is what's so troubling, and what is going to absolutely ruin the current generation (and many generations to come).

        And if you disagree, please: show me a woman with a partner count well into the triple digits that you honestly feel, going forward, is capable of committing to one man, and only man, long term. (Hint: they just don't exist.)

        [–]marplaneit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I do not disagree, though there are not scientific evidence of chemical imbalance. I am man of science. There are multiple studies showing that N count = marriage problems. But I wouldn't take a step forward and say they don't produce oxytocin as it is really important for going into labour, breast feeding etc.

        [–]dxfifa 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        He's talking about oxytosin. Dopamine is the only reason they still get with guys, for the thrill. Never for love

        [–]marplaneit 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        If you have any studies that links the N count with the production of Oxytocin please send it to me! Also vasopressin and dopamine also helps with pair bonding. Too much kids with biology 101 here thinking behavior in humans is so simple. Take a class of neurophysiology for God's sake.

        [–]nedshepherd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Agreed. I am all for helping out your fellow man, but you don't do that by spreading misinformation. Behavior, especially sexual behavior, is much more convoluted than "dopamine is the only reason they still get with guys, for the thrill".

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I seem to remember an article I read some time ago actually explaining a difference in consequences for men and women who have a high notch count. And it was based on some kind of psychological study - Not that this is a 100% quality mark itself. Below are a couple of other articles which scratches this same subject. I have quoted what I found most relevant above the links.

        "A longitudinal study that followed 1000 children in New Zealand into their 30s found no significant relationship between number of partners and mental health problems such as anxiety or depression (higher number of partners did predict substance addiction risk for women)." https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-therapy/201605/how-many-sex-partners-does-it-take-be-happy

        "Conversely, if you are by nature or upbringing socially and/or sexually conservative, or you have a strict religious belief system, or you tend to attach emotionally to anyone with whom you are physically intimate (regardless of whether the other person reciprocates), then casual sex may well cause you to experience shame, depression, lowered self-esteem and the like. This may be especially true if you engage in casual sex for “non-autonomous” reasons like getting drunk, seeking revenge, trying to fit in, etc." https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/love-and-sex-in-the-digital-age/201506/what-are-the-psychological-effects-casual-sex

        Note: I believe women are more indoctrinated to feal guilt and stigma after having casual sex. Though it's definetely more socially acceptable in these days. Also, biologially, women are more inclined to bond with a man under and after sex than the reverse. Could also be lesser these days than in the past.

        These do not talk about dopamine and oxytocin production specifically, but you are free to draw your own conclusions.

        [–]dinosauralienspirits 98 points99 points  (1 child)

        "I can see myself with you 5 years ago"

        [–]LoveCorgis93 68 points69 points  (8 children)

        Story resonates so profoundly with me Not verbatim, but profoundly enough 100% true, girls care not for the struggle leading up to the end result. They care not about the preparations and time went into baking the cake - they just want the cake Upon discovering theredpill my life has personally shifted. Hopefully it will continue to

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          [–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 18 points19 points  (0 children)

          Rollo had a post on this: "That was then"

          Damnit, I almost forgot that one.

          I’d been conditioned my whole life up to that point to believe in the Disney fairytale that had me believe if I could just do more for a woman, be more like a woman, be sensitive to her feelings, and do everything in my very limited power to help her achieve her dreams she would appreciate the effort and the sacrifice and reciprocate with her own genuine love, sex and devotion to me.

          Naturally the Blue Pill had convinced me that men and women shared a mutual concept of love and that my burden of performance was only based on how well I could help a woman rise above the horrible injustices that my poisoned gender had ruthlessly perpetrated on womankind in the centuries before I was born.

          And that's why Rollo is invaluable.

          It's uncanny - exactly the same narrative was drilled into my head. I'm almost a decade and a half younger than him and I'm from Europe, yet I got the same shitty socialization that has been poisoned by the toxicity of a feminism.

          [–]soyDonEladio 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Had an Epiphany reading that post!

          I remember my pre RP GF telling me that maybe we will someday later in our lives meet again. I believed and dreamed that.

          Fuck! It's heartbreaking how many guys fall for that.

          [–]serael 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          That post was scarily accurate to my early 20s and my LTR experiences. Holy shit.

          [–]FriedHayek 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          100% true, girls care not for the struggle leading up to the end result. They care not about the preparations and time went into baking the cake - they just want the cake Upon discovering theredpill my life has personally shifted.

          Thank you for this. From this, I got a great metaphor about women who bake the cake, and those who just want to eat it.

          [–]2kez88 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Eh this is true, but it's the same for guys. Do we give a fuck if a girl worked hard to be hot is just hot feminine fun care-free etc? No, we just like her because we like her.

          [–]BradsCanadianBacon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          You see this when you begin to make noticeable strides at the gym. Women that you've known for years will begin hanging off your arms at the bar like monkeys and smile at you through their teeth in the hopes you'll take them home.

          [–]individual5876 33 points34 points  (3 children)

          What a boss. Good on him. Must have been absolutely classic for him, giving her back what she gave him in the same situation.

          I find it hard to believe that many of us would get on with a girl who is starting to get a grasp on her life, so I can hardly blame her. It's just how the world works. Just don't bitch when this reality comes back to bite you.

          [–]Venny_1[S] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

          ...hard to believe that many of us would get on with a girl who is starting to get a grasp on her life

          But a man differs from a woman in taking a grasp on life. Traditionally, a man should get a degree/ cultivate a craft so he can support a family, where as the woman should develop nurturing skills in order to keep the household stable and running.

          Besides, a girl can see that a certain man is piss poor as of now, but has the potential to become something. She can say to herself that staying with this man is worthwhile, because he is going to make something out of himself. The guy and the girl would be piss poor together at the start of their adult life, building something together, and the guy would worship her for being on his side this whole time. But that mentality is hard to find amongst modern women.

          Relevant Billy Bob

          [–]RichieFinn 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          that link is literally this guys story put into shorter simpler terms.

          [–]Venny_1[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Which is precisely why I linked it.

          This is the great thing about observational humor. You don't actually listen to something "funny", but rather to a story being told, saying to yourself "my fuck this basically happened to me!!", and you start involunatarily laughing, not because the story is inherently funny, but because how absurdly you relate to it.

          Just look at the few guys in this thread saying that the same thing happened to them; I bet you they expressed some joy and shock reading it, not because of revenge porn (we are adults here, live for youself), but because they relate.

          [–]improvingme63 27 points28 points  (2 children)

          Great, heart-warming tale! It was refreshing to see an RP success story for a change. Cringing at BP examples is nice as a deterrent, but it gets depressing.

          Also, good on you and your boys for having this man's back in the beginning. A strong support system like that would go a long way for a lot of men out there.

          [–]declanm2 22 points23 points  (10 children)

          Instrument

          Months

          I fuckin wish. Great post though, congrats to your buddy for such personal growth

          [–]1Original_Dankster 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          That's why I play drums. Yeah, I ain't capable of playing Whiplash (great movie by the way) but I can do funk, rock, bossa nova, enough to support the band and gig. Took less than a year of practice.

          [–]BeingFatIsWrong 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          If you really are a drummer you know that movie is shit tbqh is like BP for drummers. Stay away.

          [–]1Original_Dankster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I'm not "really" a drummer - I'm actually a white collar professional who plays passable drums with some shitty bands as a hobby. I only learned to play in my late 30s.

          [–]theONE843663 2 points3 points  (6 children)

          A decade playing guitar and I still can't do pinch harmonics. Fucking sucks dude.

          [–]xinihil 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          You should practice more deliberately. This is the common amateur issue seen especially in games like Go, where club-level players will remain around 5 kyu their whole lives even if playing regularly, because they don't deliberately drill advanced concepts.

          [–]theONE843663 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Yeah I didn't start to be deliberate until like 1 year ago lmao.

          [–]declanm2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The thing that clinched pinch harmonics for me is don't try to focus on making sure your thumb hits the string as well, just hold the pick the way you're supposed to for a ph and pick through the string. Maybe this doesn't help you, but this is the mindset that really drove home the technique for me

          [–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Really? That's probably an outlier. I guess you can probably do most other shit you wanted to do though.

          [–]theONE843663 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yeh most of it but I specialize in fingerpicking and am a pretty good knockoff of Mark Knopler. I like playing multiple parts together. And singing along. I dunno if you've heard this but listen to life is a train by Brad Davis. Love shit like that man. An as for pinch harmonics, I blame the shape of my thumb lmao.

          [–]FrozenHearth 20 points21 points  (2 children)

          (Most) women do not wish to be part of your journey, but they gladly wait for you at the finish-line

          This. A woman on Facebook commented, "Ladies, you throw away good men because they're still maturing and learning how to be a man, by facing life's tough challenges, working their ass off just to survive, shuffling college and jobs, and in several years, they'll be very mature and financially secure. They'll be complete. If you don't want to support them during their journey, you don't deserve the complete package". This quote is true as hell. Women want a complete, mature man, that's why younger women date older men. The best girlfriends are those who are supportive, and encourage you to become the best version you can. I have a buddy who's girlfriend constantly encourages him to perform challenging lifts like Snatch and Front Squat. He overcame his fear, and she is his motivation to lift heavier and go beast mode in the gym. He was a skinny twig, but he's slowly getting into shape with a solid diet and routine. Also, he became broke for quite some while, and his girlfriend supported him, and stayed through the tough times, instead of simply bailing away like most modern women. How frequently do you see supportive women like that? Very rare.

          [–]1empatheticapathetic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          That's great for him but would he break if she left the picture?

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Exactly - women want complete men, at least as complete as they can be (since we're always going to get better with age no matter what). They don't want an incomplete man. That's okay - this gives the incomplete man space and time to complete himself. It's his own work. Sure we men support him, but he has to lift his own weight first and get through the finish line on his own.

          [–]bohemian_fappsody 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          "If the kitten didn't want me, I don't want the cat."

          [–]joh2141 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          Reading the story, you can almost smell how sure she was going to get your buddy to fall over heels. Good shit someone helped procure him some balls and a mind of his own. Good friends are ones that push you to be better, not ones who enable complacent and mediocre behavior.

          [–]AuriumZen 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          I've loved pretty much everything I've been lurking around here reading, and it's helped me quite a bit (I'll be posting some of my own experiences and FRs when I feel as though they can greatly contribute to this discussion in TRP). But this story gave me a very strong sense of satisfaction and was also very eye-opening. Thanks for the post.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Welcome aboard! If you have finished reading the sidebar, I recommend reading from the first 10ish pages of TOP and all time.

          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Men helping men. He had a good set of friends there for him

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          Haha. I want to buy Mark a beer.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          I just love me some revenge porn. Thanks for sharing. Kudos to your friend. I see a bright future for him.

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          [–]GrabHerBootyBro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          He has a pretty good writing style it hit me too, honestly kind of heart warming even if there are a ton of other stories of men finally winning out.

          It makes me sad that more men dont come together to prop up their mates, the sense of self worth would be much higher but i guess that goes along with who you choose to be your friends.

          [–]thisornothing 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Why did it punch you in the gut? Do you feel bad for her? He literally only threw her own line back at her.

          I think I'm missing what you're getting at.

          [–]JustDoMeee 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          He's basically swallowing the red pill, the reality that was shown to him is being crushed and that's making him feel hopeless, knowing that the life he dreamt up with the perfect girl may never be.

          [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

          Your bit is a good thing to share for a number of reasons other than poon, but poon sure enough is something we have to educate young men about so they don't make the mistakes of generations passed:

          1. Delaying Gratification: Nothing Great is ever easily gained. At some point you pay your dues, it's just a matter of when and how. If you go to the gym during the day on a weekday, you'll see older dudes who have shit jobs and are just getting by. Oh you'll see self-employed attorneys, the rare doctor, and the well-off business owner spending some time at the gym as part of his ten to twelve hour work day. But most the guys you'll see are nothing but wage slaves who live from paycheck to paycheck.

          2. Dedication and Hardwork: you don't paint a masterpiece without first learning to paint and making a few mistakes. This also means accepting imperfection and being willing to improve yourself. Think of yourself like a shark. You have to always be moving forward. Always improving somehow, someway. This will mean being disciplined and dedicated to your success.Binge drinking the nights and days away, pissing away (quite literally) thousands of dollars a year during your formative years, and being obsessed with video games are pitfalls to success.

          3. Letting Shit Go: Failure is passing, success is fleeting. You will fuck up, you will make mistakes, and you will miss out on opportunities. A life lived without regrets is the life of a loser. Mark let go his infatuation with temporary pussy and is now in place to reap the rewards of long lines of would-be gold diggers he can chuck in and out of his bed if he succeeds as a Dentist. As long as he's willing to hold out till he's 40 and able to find a younger female dentist in her late twenties, he can enjoy the poon oasis and later find a woman to have a family with if he wants one. Or he can live the life of a bachelor and do some pretty awesome things. But he let that shit go with that other walking pussy, and that's what you must be prepared to do. In business, in life, in love/romance/fucking. When shit don't pan out, let it the fuck go, and learn to recognized when it doesn't pan out. Be willing to let go and move on. The more time you spend on your failure, the less time you have for success.

          I'm working on getting into consultative sales. My pursuit of telecommunications project management and sales wasn't going to work with my legal gig (lawyer) and cases, wouldn't allow for me to push money into my insurance and annuity sales gig either. I want to grow, i want to evolve, I want to play more with other peoples' money.

          [–]AnAbsoluteSith 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Great response.

          So what are you going to do? You're going to take that leap from law and pursue this new field of interest?

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I never leave anything to wither and die. I've been selling insurance annuities since I was 21 (I'm 32 now) and that's helped me make money hand-in-hand with my law practice. Being a consultant sales agent I imagine to do something similar. If i can't, I won't then, and I'll stick to what i know.

          Right now I'm building websites to generate more insurance and annuity leads but I'm only getting four to six closings a month out of it. Granted these are big commissions but I don't want to put all my eggs in one basket when I don't have to. I'd rather spend 2017 being a "Consultant" while I build more sites and see how it goes.

          [–]CamTalbot 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

          Very relevant Bill Burr clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyZ9ss-bCUY

          Start at around 7:10

          [–]YC_90 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Listened to the whole thing (part 1 and 2). Holy shit that was nice to hear. Thanks for sharing.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yep, I listened to both parts and they are gold. My favorite part regarding the post is the "they all want the fucking house and they all wanted it fucking yesterday, but they don't want to go through the bullshit of it."

          [–]0kool74 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          Roughly 15 minutes later, we see Sarah coming to our table with tears in her eyes. She drops money for what she ordered, and leaves the bar with no word

          Uh oh.........another CC rider learns the hard truth. Love it. Slang this dude a beer and put it on my tab!

          [–]juliusstreicher 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          I'm only sorry that the guy didn't tell everyfuckingbody at the table.

          [–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I wonder how the girls would have reacted.

          A friend of mine is a powerlifter but hes also a hardcore feminist. On facebook he always posts stupid feminist shit and agrees with womens hyperbole arguments about nothing, but occasionally his objective side shines through. He posted a story once about shaming a girl on the bus for being rude to a man who asked her for change. It was interesting to see what the women commented on his story. A lot of them remained neutral, because they would have reacted exactly the same way. Just heart emojis and very neutral statements. No women commended him and they didn't go after the girl either, but they felt obliged to make SOME comment, because they always respond to his women positive posts.

          [–]pusangani 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Holy fuck that's inspiring stuff, good for him!

          [–]mugsaucecity 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          That youthful glint shit is real they all lose it through college

          [–]seaguy87 14 points15 points  (8 children)

          Regardless whether it's nature or nurture, Sarah is a pile of garbage. People like her disgust me.

          [–]redditatt 11 points12 points  (5 children)

          She's really not garbage, she just didn't want to get with the guy when he was a Beta chump, but was good to go after he had become a man. Is this really so "disgusting"? If some fat chick you'd never think of fucking loses 40 pounds and becomes attractive, would you be disgusting for wanting to fuck her?

          [–]tuzki 9 points10 points  (2 children)

          Its funny, but the way men and women think hasn't sunk in to everyone.

          Women look at a beta-orbiter like men look at an obese land-whale.

          [–]redditatt 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Word. Everyone here is trashing Sara but m she did Mark the favor of a lifetime by rejecting him.

          He could at least have given her a courtesy bang.

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          The courtesy bang could change into a false rape accusation, if she doesn't get the relationship she wants from him.

          [–]seaguy87 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          I'm afraid you're missing a key nuance here. Men, upfront, will say that they don't like obese land-whales (barring those that have fetishes). So they don't look for fat chicks. Women will, upfront, say that they recognise all these positive traits in a guy (as in Mark), say that is what they want, but subsequently reject him.

          [–]redditatt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Agreed that does happen.. but in this case it didn't. Also, men have to be able to see through that shit.

          [–]seaguy87 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Carrion stinks, and decay is a natural thing. That doesn't mean the smell doesn't repulse me.

          I don't care that women's biology could make them hypocrites. By that measure, no one should care that we go around and force ourselves on women if indeed it were biology driving us to do so.

          Biology is not an excuse for human behaviour.

          [–]textualintercourse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yup, even the fucking gold-diggers want a man with money, not a man making money...unless they are fucking side-dudes during the time the bastard earns it. Suckers.

          [–]MCDownlow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Good on Mark. He deserves and will get better.

          [–]Conceited-Monkey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          When you are not looking at the person with rose coloured glasses, when they hit you with this line you know that you are their last resort. It sounds like the girl in this case had pretty much hit rock bottom.

          [–]Krookedklinton 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          women do not wish to be part of your journey, but they gladly wait for you at the finish-line.

          Damn you hit the nail right on the fucking head

          [–]1TimmyTurnersNuts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Damn this is motivating and encouraging as fuck. Gotta keep building my empire. Great great post

          [–]playingwithfyre 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          Why not plate? I highly doubt he completely vacated all of his feelings and attraction to her. And while it's nice he's in a place to do that, there really is no reason he shouldn't have played hard to get.

          He's still being blue pill because in his mind she can only be a friend or a serious love interest. And he was to my reading, in her frame. This story gives the illusion of frame, but to me it read like a guy that wanted to feel that he had triumphed. Which is great, but what does he really gain here?

          If she was truly in his frame, he'd have never invited her out. He'd have set that boundary. There is an obvious SMV disparity at this point, but he's still being pretty blue pill.

          She's either plate material or she's not. Anything else, sans social circle gamery is a waste of his most valuable resource. And frankly, his social standing probably took a hit. While he took a boost with DHV, the girls knew he's being emotionally needy by playing out his power fantasy which is DLV.

          Lastly, he spoke overtly, which is the highest DLV possible. He should have created an orbiter at the very least.

          [–]tailz69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This is on another level of TRP.. well said.

          I agree 100%

          [–]tuzki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Silkworms make silk. Spiders make silk.

          You can put a bunch of silkworms in a box and come back in a month, they'll have made cocoons and you can harvest the silk from all of them.

          If you put a bunch of spiders in a box and come back in a month, you'll have either 1 or zero spiders. Beta orbiters are the silkworms. Women are the spiders. You can't have a shitload of orbiter women who know about each other.

          [–]inspiron3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          If she was truly in his frame, he'd have never invited her out.

          Not a good story.
          Makes me believe the story is 100% bullshit.
          OP thinks his vengeful bro is cool but shows that bro gives too much of a fuck to have swallowed the pill.

          [–]CioranVlad 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          This is gold. I really like trp, thanks to a friend I found out about it. And it's life-changing. The only thing is that even tho I learned and applied a lot of stuffs from here I find it very hard to get the knowledge inside my brain and behaviour. I still care too much. And I am too nice of a guy. And I am reading almost daily. But I hit the same brick, applying and fully understanding the knowledges from here. Any advice can help. And btw, to mention I fight with depression(found this by analyzing myself), low self esteem, lack of respect, can't enjoy my own self, I try to find happiness in other. But to feel better I think about the mobsters behaviour, the al pacino interpretation, and other actors. I find them very manly, this may help the others.

          [–]Venny_1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I was like you, probably still am to a high degree. Then I started following this simple rule: be selfish. Yes be selfish.

          *Your friends invited you to an event, but it screws with your gym plan. Sorry guys, gotta hit the gym.

          *You are nice to a girl, chasing after her, but she isn't chasing you. What the hell!!! She doesn't think you're good enough of a prize!!?? Next her and go after another.

          *About the low self-esteem and not enjoying your own self, that stems mostly from lack of interests and hobbies. You need to find things that you would enjoy doing in seclusion, enjoying the very act of doing them instead of enjoying doing them with others.

          We all are on the journey of bettering our lives, stay strong.

          [–]TEP801 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Awesome OP. Words of wisdom to these whatevers out here chasing after girls. I've never really chased girls before as that's not my thing. But it's funny when people ask why I don't have a girlfriend or why I seem so disinterested in girls.

          Like you said most of these bimbos are scoundrels and when you start getting your shit together. Somehow they magically pop up again. Pretty strange coincidence.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Great story. Another example of how, like properly aged whiskey, a good man becomes better and more valuable with time.

          [–]desno 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Amazing story. Mark may very well be red pill. The way he handled it was terrific. Thank you for sharing this

          [–]SickeningPiss 3 points4 points  (2 children)

          This is exactly what a girl told me word for word. I was fat and a loser. I hit the roids hard and got shredded as fuck, studying medicine now too. I blocked her on fb so bitch can't ever hit me up though but i know she is jealous of me from mutual friends hehe. Solid post op your friend is the man he is due to his buddies sticking up for him. Wish i had some mates who weren't suck cucks and followed rp ways. Classic!!

          [–]thisornothing 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          If you've blocked her, that could easily make you look bad.

          [–]SickeningPiss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          She blocked me then unblocked me a week later then i blocked her lol

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Typical trp porn and it's eaten up every time.

          [–]Mr_ghostslayer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          I am having the same experience as your mate. I met this girl that i was really interested in. We would call, text and meet up almost everyweek and i asked her out and she told me she wasnt ready for a relationship. I was 18 at the time. Now i'm 21, got a good body, studying a better degree and i'm pretty sure this girl see's my social life as we have a few friends in common. There's a party coming up and she might be there, if she talks to me im going to drop 'i'm not ready for a relationship' line.

          Fucken golden! Thanks for the idea

          [–]redditatt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Or, you could realize you don't have to be in a relationship to interact with a girl and just bang her without playing out your petty sweet revenge fantasy

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Nice story but reality rarely delivers such stories and most guys building high level careers don't turn into bros along the way as it's discouraged as unprofessional save for wall street traders perhaps that have been largely replaced with automated solutions these days.

          Sarah will get some beta bucks and Mark will probably get divorce raped along the way is the most likely outcome.

          [–]RedBaron200 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Yes, we know, damnit. TRP is really turning into a broken record. Would it kill you to leave just a little bit of inspirational material intact?

          [–]Attentive1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Don't wonder if your friend Mark is a TRP reader, open your mouth and ask.

          [–]PUA_Wanna_be 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Good for both of them: For him, since he moved on. And for her, since she realized she has to lock down someone early on.

          [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Well honestly the Sarah girl let him off easily. Seriously bro, when a girl tells you "No not now, but I like you and maybe later" that's as soft of a rejection as you're gonna get. It's only fair that Mark estimated his SMV being way above hers after all these years. But he should remember that she let him off easy.

          There are girls out there who will by way more bitchy and cruel and the pain should be reserved for them. I also get the feeling this Mark guy was vindictive when the Sarah girl asked him. Which is petty and beta because she didn't really do anything bad towards him.

          [–]redpillwakeup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You sure you're not your friend Mark? Lol, good story. Thanks for sharing.