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Guy on Christianity subreddit has lost attraction to his obese wife. Commenters convince him to stay and accept her as she is, because Jesus. Great example of how religion can turn you into a beta slave. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

Summary: While religion can be a good thing, it has also been weaponized by progressives and feminists to shame men into submission. Don't let religion keep you from becoming the best man you can be.

Full thread here.

Now I don't want to get into a holy war here on TRP, so this thread is not so much an approval or condemnation of religion in general. Just a note to point out that feminists are slowly infiltrating religious establishments like they are everywhere else, and turning these into tools to further estrogenize society. Watch out.

A great example can be found in the Christianity subreddit. For those of you who go there, you'll know the sub is full of the pastiest, wimpiest, most liberal pansies on the face of the planet. This is a sub where the number of "rainbow colored cross" flairs (yeah, you know what that means) outnumbers regular users. This is the sub that refuses to stand by its own Biblical passages if they go against modern society. It's full of losers who can't even defend their own religion from progressivism.

Say hi to OP, the newest loser of the bunch.

I need some Christian advice. I've done plenty of reading about this on the internet, but it's clear the advice out there isn't very good. Me and my wife are both christians so "get a divorce" just isn't an option.

When I met my wife she was just as overweight as she is now, but it didn't really bother me that much. Or at least there were plenty of other things about the relationship that compensated for it. And since we weren't married yet sex wasn't really a part of it, so it didn't matter if I wasn't mad with desire for her body. And even as the relationship got more physical (making out, still no sex) it didn't matter because it was still all so new. It was still fun.

Now we're married less than a year, and the physical part of our relationship is barely there. She's always the one who gets things started. Sometimes she complains that I don't take charge and make it happen more often.

Eating healthy and being in shape is important to me. I thought it was important to her when we were dating. We went to the gym together and talked about how much easier it'd be to eat healthier once we were married and living together. We could cook healthy food for each other. Then we got married and it never happened. I cook something healthy and she comes home with fast food. She barely comes with me to the gym anymore. The only time we ever really spend time together is sitting on the couch watching TV.

I often covet. Sometimes when I'm out I can't help but look at the other women who are all in shape, or the couples working out at the gym together, or when I see couples jogging down the street together. I can't even get her to take a walk with me. She's always tired, or doesn't feel good, or stressed, or something. And it makes me think of all the junk food she puts into her body.

All that said, it's not like I'm not attracted to her at all. She's pretty. And even though she's overweight (technically obese) I can still tell that if she lost some weight (about 70lb would be perfect) she'd have EXACTLY the body type that I love the most. I wouldn't be able to keep my hands off her. That's what I want, and I know that's what she wants, but she's the one who has to decide she wants to put in some work. I'm doing everything I can, or at least I think I am.

Years of being brainwashed at church has convinced this poor sap that if his wife balloons up like the Hindenberg and his penis hasn't gotten hard in a decade... that's his fault, apparently. That he's not a good enough husband. That he's evil for checking out other, hotter, younger women.

And the commenters are no better. Here's a few gems:

Get marriage counselling. Seriously.

The number one advice on any Reddit thread. Go throw $200 at a counselor who got a degree in Gender Studies and will just talk to you for an hour. Yeah, that should solve everything.

It sounds like your wife may be depressed. On top of marriage counseling, I'd do some digging on that front as well, undiagnosed mental illness can devastate a relationship. Best of luck to you, I hope you two get everything figured out.

Hamsters rolling hard here. Trying to find some kind of explanation to absolve the wife of any responsibility... she must have depression! Great excuse. Surely it can't be that she just doesn't have the willpower to get on the treadmill and eat healthy. No, no, must be some psychiatric disorder that's out of her control.

First, you can't tell her you don't find her attractive, or otherwise use her lack of attractiveness to you as a motivational factor; she almost definitely has self-esteem issues, and that will just make them worse. Likewise, I'd avoid religion-based approaches for improving the situation (e.g "Your body is a temple").

This is a fucking pathetic world we live in if a wife isn't motivated by the desire to sexually please her husband. But there's beta marriage for you.

Don't let religion convince you that you're some sort of martyr and need to put up with women's shit. This guy would benefit from some solid dread-gaming and getting swole, not marriage counseling and praying and tip-toeing to avoid hurting wifey's feelings.

Don't be this guy. First of all, don't get married. Secondly, if you do get married don't let belief in a higher power turn you into some sort of feminized subservient creature.

TL;DR: Religion has been taken over by feminists and progressives, and is actively anti-male these days. Don't fall into the trap and let it destroy your self esteem.


[–][deleted] 149 points150 points  (97 children)

Dude needs to man up and tell her to lose weight. Ive done it before and it works. I was apprehensive that i would hurt her but if you do it nicely and she respects you and herself she will do it.

As it stands this guy is allowing her to be fat and he needs to take control for both of their sakes lest they both end up miserable

[–]Nothing_Gazes_Back 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Told my LTR that I'm in great shape and expect her to be as well. Found her a female trainer and nutritionist and set her up twice a week. Easy and done.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 2 points3 points  (1 child)

are you gonna have to pay for that trainer and nutritionist, will it be a wise investment?

[–]Nothing_Gazes_Back 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nope. Her body, her money. I found her a nice female powerlifter that I know from the gym that is starting up her personal training business so sessions are very affordable.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

The tenets of Christianity preach leadership from the man. This particular relationship sounds like a top-down problem to me. If your religion tells you to be the boss, and your wife does whatever the fuck she wants, how good are your managerial skills?

[–]LaRedPill 17 points18 points  (8 children)

You cannot negotiate desire, say it again, You cannot negotiate desire.

Don't even try to tell her to lose weight, if she gained weight is because you are not attractive anymore. Period.

You want her thin and sexy? You go become thin and sexy and then passive and active dread her until she becomes thin and sexy too. Or leave her if i'ts too late for her to change.

[–]25toten 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I see where you're coming from but this is faulty logic. People are significantly influenced by society and how other individuals view them, the looking glass self. Notioning someone to lose weight overtime may influence them to.

[–]LaRedPill 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Not at all, do you think the woman is stupid? You think she does not know she is becoming less attractive? You think that if she felt that if she became less attractive and you could dump her in the spot and change her for a better model she would become less attractive?

You are the one with the faulty logic here.

If you become the prize she will want to keep having the prize, and will not do things that risk her losing that prize. And she is a woman, she is not stupid, she knows we care about weight. If you really were the prize to her she would never gain enough weight to become unattractive in the first place.

You need to read the sidebar, too.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

"Do you think the woman is stupid?"

Precisely. She knows exactly what is going on and she chooses to live that way. He doesn't mean much to her, so she indulges in herself and doesn't give a fuck.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I do think she is stupid but that doesn't mean she can't at least know that she needs to lose weight, just doesn't care.

[–]tuxedoburrito 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Why shouldn't he directly communicate with her?

[–]LaRedPill 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Because that is unattractive, you need to read the sidebar, mate.

[–][deleted] 18 points18 points

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[–]MrJaggedArray 44 points45 points  (7 children)

A few years ago I started putting on weight. I'd been lean all my life, but I stopped training, and started overeating due to stress. But I was hiding these changes from myself.

Then one day my teenage son cut right through my act. He told me I was getting a big belly and needed to do something about it. Fat-shaming, if you will. That was my wake-up call. A few years down the line and I'm in great shape again. But that one conversation started it all.

You're dealing with a man. Don't worry about his feelings. Don't pull your punches. Tell him you didn't sign up for this, and either he gets his act together or you'll be looking for an exit. Obviously, the implication is that you are also committed to keeping yourself in trim.

[–]joeyjojosharknado 40 points41 points  (5 children)

It's hugely common for people to say "fat shaming just makes things worse" like a mantra. Bullshit. It was only my friends bluntly saying "you're getting to be a fat cunt" that cut through the usual rationalisations. Societies where fat shaming is normal have a slim population. In western societies we've become all about our precious fee-fees and feeding our delusions (and faces).

[–]douglas_p 16 points17 points  (4 children)

When I was in middle school, the number one reason kids avoided becoming fat is because they didn't want to get picked on. As a result we only had two fat kids in our entire grade. Kids don't give a shit about nutrition or being healthy.

[–]NikoMyshkin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

it's almost as if - sometimes - social interventions to maintain normativity - are healthy for the person being intervened! who would have thought??!

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 2 points3 points  (2 children)

also why they avoid becoming gay

[–]Ounumen 27 points28 points  (0 children)

She is going to leave you because you have become a fat worthless fuck. Why sugar coat it? It said here often its just your turn with her you can extend the lease or end it.

[–]LaRedPill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That is because you are not attractive anymore. Like Ounumen said.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The basic principles: Be nice. Realise that it is not in fact selfish to be attracted to someone with a nice body and it is hardwired into us. He needs to see what he is doing is not ok for his or your sake.

Just some ideas. Take it from there as you will

[–]schockergd 23 points24 points  (60 children)

Many if not most mentioned it there, but that wouldn't go along with the religion bashing aspect.

[–]dwcmwa 14 points15 points  (59 children)

Reddit likes to bash religion for some reason. It's time for religion to counter-bash. Religion is actually red pill when you think about it. Christianity, even in the New Testament, has teachings about how a wife should be subservient to her husband. Similar teachings are also found in Islam and Judaism.

The body is a temple of the Holy Spirit. One should take care of it. This is what that BP dude should tell his wife.

[–]joeyjojosharknado 27 points28 points  (8 children)

Many of the most beta, spineless losers I've met have been Christian. Beyond beta, afraid of their own shadows. I agree that Christianity on paper is RP, but it's been reformed relentlessly to align with our feminized society.

Someone down below explained why this is, and from my observation this is spot on:

"1) In churches, everyone wears masks. Feminists have turned churches into "safe spaces" where no one offends or discusses anything real anymore.

2) Churches don't emphasize bodily health and fitness (it's perishable anyway.) If you're going to marry a lardbucket before you get married, don't be surprised over the fact that most women's bodies tend to deteriorate after marriage -- and the church environment will not do anything to curb it. They'll just blame the media for setting unrealistic standards for beauty and turning men into horndogs.

3) Sexiness and sex is mostly seen as carnal and as a man you will be shamed for your sex drive."

[–]cashcow1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree that Christianity on paper is RP, but it's been reformed relentlessly to align with our feminized society.

That I agree with. And there are many Red Pill Christian writers who get into a lot of detail on this.

[–]AHAPPYMERCHANT 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Maybe Methodists are like that. The solution is be an actual Christian and don't give in to Protestant emasculation.

[–]cashcow1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's not any one sect. I've seen Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, Evangelicals, etc. that are all cucked as fuck. And I've met people from all sorts of backgrounds that understand the Red Pill.

[–]hahayeahthatscool 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You blame the the religion but what you don't understand is these men would most likely be betas regardless of what ideology was imposed on them in their childhood. The individual is to blame, because on the other hand the only RP men I know are Christians, well Russian Orthodox Christians so a bit different than your more westernized sects, but they have been the only advocates of the RP that I know personally.

[–]hybr33dgtx 48 points49 points  (28 children)

The passage in the bible about wives being submissive to their husbands is the only red pill related in Christianity.(at least AFAIR) The core concepts of Christianity is very far from Red Pill.

Christianity teaches that someone loves us unconditionally for who we are despite our imperfections. It teaches us that most of our mistakes can be forgiven. It teaches that someone out there is looking out for us. This ideal world that Christianity preaches is very far from the harsh reality that we live in.

As for me, red pill is about accepting reality despite how harsh it is. Religion is about creating comfort through fantastical theories.

[–]cashcow1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why is that blue pill?

Humans will fuck you in the ass. God is the only one who loves you unconditionally, and he won't save you in this life. If you want human respect, you earn it.

The Old Testament, especially, is full of harsh reality. Most of the patriarchs slaughtered evil men by the dozen to save civilization.

[–]1nzgs 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Well said. Christianity, and all other religions, are profoundly blue pill.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They have to be. The red pill is about truth and seeing reality for what it really is.

Religion is pure delusion, magic, and mythology.

[–]phantomlordd 8 points9 points  (6 children)

People here like to say that Christianity is RP just because leftists hate and try to suppress it, but religion and leftism share many principles to control the masses: the promise of a perfect world, unconditional love, guilty and passivity towards life. RP doesn't share any of those principles...

[–]stawek 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Please, do not confuse Christianity as religion with Christianity as culture.

I am atheist, but culturally I am Christian. The very basic values of Western culture are derived from ancient cultures of Babylon, Egypt, Greece and Jews. They all got incorporated into Christianity which subsequently conquered the world and created the science and wealth of modern world.

God is outdated, the values represented by God are not.

Separate the idea of personal God ("an imaginary friend") from other ideas of Christianity:

  • God exists - the definition of God is irrelevant, what matters is that some Absolute exists. The Absolute could be something as simple as Truth - even if we don't know something, and even if it is impossible to know, the answer still exists and we can pursue it.

  • original sin - we are all faulty and we can never be perfect. get over it.

  • heaven - we should strive for perfection, even if we are imperfect (original sin)

  • free will - we chose our outcomes

  • confession and forgiveness of sins - we are allowed to fail, as long as we genuinely strive for Truth and are honest in our endeavors

These ideas created the world where people were doing their best. Their best was sometimes stupid, and sometimes really terrifying, but the Western people were always looking forward.

[–]RayTheEsteemed 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I have to ask, what have you seen in Christianity to make you think it's based on those principles? I was raised Roman Catholic and it was actually quite the opposite: I was taught to avoid sinful choices whenever possible, and that the punishment for failing to was some sort of penance or perhaps even eternal damnation in Hell. The thought of that certainly was enough to turn me into a good little catholic boy for part of my life. I don't actually disagree with you that religion itself can be seen as anti-RP, as can most of society's coercive control schemes, I just think that the valuable parts of religion shouldn't be ignored. When enough people latch on to it, religion can create a more virtuous society.

[–]phantomlordd 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I agree with you actually. There are many Catholic ideas that I admire and some girls I know who take religion seriously are far better than the average woman. I think that a Christian society would be a lot better than this shit leftist world we live in.
That said, I think Christianity isn't RP, simply because it doesn't really aim to make men alpha. Their objective is to fill the heads of people with fear and guilty, making both men and women behave better sometimes, yes, but I don't think it should be used as a guide for an actual alpha.
So, I don't think Christianity and Leftism are the same thing. They are very distant from each other, Christianity being far better to society as a whole, but still a control scheme that we should avoid, even considering that it shares some RP ideas.

[–]RayTheEsteemed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly, the whole idea of it being a control scheme is where things fall apart. Good to know we are on the same page brother.

[–]SpaceTimeinFlux 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Leftism is a new form of religion/collectivism. It has its own dogma and unforgivable sins.

[–]phantomlordd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you think about it, it's interesting that at the same time that the core concepts of Christianity are somewhat BP and can make men be afraid of behaving like an alpha, they can also make women behave better, making them afraid of behaving like sluts.
Unfortunately, modern women solipsism make them incapable of taking any religion seriously. How can you convince someone to avoid easily obtainable sexual pleasure, to take responsability for the home and the family, to be loyal to someone else when every piece of media, the educational system and the majority of men tell you that you are fucking amazing just because you are a woman? Nah, fuck this paradise after death, they are living in heaven right now.

[–]rigbed 4 points5 points  (4 children)

The three main religions give the followers a single alpha male to follow, one whose power cannot ever be surpassed.

Religion is feminisms strongest tool. If they can strip God of gender they can eventually replace his gender too.

[–]brotality_ 3 points4 points  (3 children)

The three main religions give the followers a single alpha male to follow, one whose power cannot ever be surpassed.

C'mon bro. I think religion has its place, but that's hardcore male hamstering there. A more accurate statement would be:

The three main religions give the followers a celestial dictator to submit to, one whose power cannot ever be challenged.

Tell me again what happens to you if you refuse to submit (mgtow) or decide to worship other gods (spin plates)? When rejected, the God of the Bible acts a lot like the psychotic women we hear about in TRP. Nothing alpha about that.

[–]rigbed 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good point. God is a man who also exhibits the worst traits of women, and there's nothing women can do to control him.

[–]stawek 6 points7 points  (8 children)

For thousands of years people were getting married, raising children and building families, with no divorce. All of that based on the Bible.

The feminists got franchise and child custody - both directly against the Bible and it took only 100 years to destroy families and society.

Religion is outdated, but the Bible is the blueprint of our culture as it was at its best.

[–]cashcow1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yep. The atheists shitting all over Christianity need to remember: we kept women in their proper place for centuries, and built this whole fucking civilization.

Atheism built the USSR, the most blue pill, egalitarian, miserable shithole in the history of humanity.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 7 points8 points  (6 children)

thousands of years people were getting married, raising children and building families, with no divorce.

What?

All of that has been happening before Judaism even existed or the Bible was an oral tradition and it has happened in places where Judaism/Christianity wasn't practiced.

You can't be serious. Can't believe there's people dumb enough to believe that Judaism/Christianity/the Bible invented marriage.

[–]cashcow1 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Reddit likes to bash religion for some reason.

It's out of hand. I'm sick of citing Red Pill wisdom from King Solomon (alpha of alphas) and having some fucking neckbeard come in and start screaming about how I'm sucking Jesus' cock or something.

A few of the atheists can say "I disagree with some of your ideas, but I see how this functions within the Red Pill." Most can't.

I seriously wonder if many of them aren't women, because they argue like women. Nothing but rhetoric, can't stay on point, etc. Most are ignorant as fuck about what these religions actually teach, and arguments that have been made in their defense.

[–]dwcmwa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I seriously wonder if many of them aren't women, because they argue like women.

lol exactly. Some of the people on here are actually hamstering away like the plates that they spin around.

[–]VictorEremitaK 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I don't know how red pill it is to believe in a god because you are afraid of death.

[–]cashcow1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Christian here.

I agree. One should believe in a religion because it is true. If you don't accept that it is true, you should reject it.

Most religious people don't actually believe in their religion, they cling to it by blind faith. This is not what the Bible teaches, which is rational, objective faith.

[–]Gawernator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And gluttony is a sin. You can't become obese without being a glutton. Gluttony isn't just food either. Pornography, excess, hedonism

[–]dinosauralienspirits 7 points8 points  (8 children)

It can't be red pill if it's not actually true. Red pill is accepting reality no matter how difficult. Fairies are not real.

[–]Mike66219 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Most people who subscribe to the idea that religion is red pill are not actually suggesting that you as a red pill man should believe in the mythology. They are saying that it is an excellent tool for controlling female hypergamy. This in turn helps keep functioning families together, give men an incentive to produce in excess, and provides a solid framework for the next generation. The mythology is merely the means to plug women, children, and betas into the religion.

Of course, religion is only a useful red pill tool as it is traditionally practiced. The point of this thread, a very valid one, is that many religions today have become so polluted with feminist left-wing thinking that they have lost their usefulness to us and to society, and have in fact become a tool for the feminists.

[–]dons90 3 points4 points  (4 children)

There is no proof that God doesn't exist, so making a statement like that is simply your opinion, not fact.

[–]cashcow1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It can't be red pill if it's not actually true.

True. That's why I think blind-faith religion is so dangerous. But if a man accepts the teachings of Christianity because he's read Aquinas, and believes that the evidence points to a first cause, that's not blue pill garbage, that's rationality.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If he was really taking charge, he'd say grab your shit, we're going to the gym. Then he'd make her help meal prep on Sundays. Sounds to me like the inmates are running the asylum.

[–]verify_account 2 points2 points [recovered]

Reddit likes to bash religion for some reason.

Do you understand how many RP theories are based in evolution do you not?

Religion used to be very red pill, it's not any more and hasn't been for a long time.

[–]cashcow1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Religion used to be very red pill, it's not any more and hasn't been for a long time.

You should go visit some churches that teach traditional Christianity.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Religion is actually red pill

There's very little that's "red pill" to me about believing in bronze age mythology and magic.

[–]SetConsumes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Organized religion is a control structure and opiate for slaves.

Just because it can control a woman in ways does not make it red pill, red pill is reality based, organized religion is not.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

new testament as a book itself isn't blue pill

religion itself is though, can't go around believing in magic men in the sky with no proof

just take the common sense advice and ignore the lies.

[–]Facade_of_Faust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is deeper than just physical appearance. It's more about the lack of sharing a healthy lifestyle. Hr wants to be active & engaged in life, but their shared experience is sitting in front of tv. Hr even says she's pretty, but the weight along with the lack of an engaging lifestyle (hiking, biking, gym, etc) and her always being tired or sick kills the connection.

I bet even if she remained heavy, but was active & engaging in shared activity he wouldn't feel exactly the same.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Girlfriend gained 25 lbs since we started dating, she knew. I knew. She knew I knew. She would bring it up and all I ever told her was that her health was my biggest concern, but that if she ever wanted to go to the gym or start buying different food I would support her decision and help her out to free up her schedule. But with great emphasis on the gym aspect.

She got the message without having to fight and after 2 months is now 4 lbs away from the weight I met her at and 14lbs away from her goal. Everybody wins and she maintains unicorn status.

Don't forget guys sometimes there are positives going on that should be appreciated.

[–]karpathian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What a redpill religious guy would do, the modern religion has been too accepting and enables people in order to keep numbers up when they should be teaching the cold hard truth.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Know what hurts a woman worse than being told she's fat? 1000 passionless glances. Some women know this and don't want the 'tell me I'm beautiful' crap. Before becoming somewhat attractive myself in my late 20s I'd seldom known a woman's passion like I do now... I hated head for F sake. An unattractive woman may simply never have been looked at with lust and so would rather be told how cute she looks, she thinks it's real.

[–]itsawomensworld 50 points50 points [recovered]

I love the top comment.

How will marriage counseling fix that.

That's like saying I have an issue with the color of paint on my house and the top response is take a course in building garages.

The obvious answer is have his wife lose weight or fix the paint color. Why would you work on the garage when the doors working perfectly. It's nonsensical advice.

You shouldn't be mean to.someone who is fat but that doesn't mean you need to approve of it. Being fat is ugly and unhealthy.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 35 points36 points  (0 children)

How will marriage counseling fix that.

By firmly allocating blame to the man, and increasing his responsibility by adding a list of chores around the house to his busy life. Perhaps also saying he's wrong to go to the gym so much, and blame him for being shallow.

Problem solved!

[–]Tacotuesdayftw 1 point2 points  (2 children)

being fat is ugly and unhealthy

And easy to fix. People love to make a million excuses why they can't lose weight especially women, but then you see them in the gym trying to stay comfortable and at home eating bullshit and not counting calories.

Don't tell me it's hard when you don't even try.

Now even though I disagree with marriage, you made a life long commitment to that person, so at least give her some emotional support if that's what she needs, but tell her straight up to lose weight and maybe suggest you can help.

[–]itsawomensworld 3 points3 points [recovered]

I guess, I've told my GF's while we're dating that I would drop them if they gain significant weight. I just assumed it was pretty obvious when entering into relationships that looks are part of the packaged deal.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (9 children)

It's weird how super religious men tend to be soft, while the women are surprisingly slutty.

I worked at a church for a while. Almost every young girl there was hit for some alpha who was just there cause he had to keep up appearances.

Meanwhile all the super into it guys hung with one another.

[–]dwcmwa 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Religion tends to push attitudes towards the extreme. You've got ISIS lunatics and BP dudes like the ones you saw.

[–]dons90 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Remember that each 'religion' and denomination is very diverse. I'm quite sure you wouldn't find slutty muslims that easily. Although now that I think of it, I do know one...

[–]Sir_Beelzebub 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Muslim here, there are a bunch of slutty Muslim chicks, but TBH not as much as Christian gals.

Source: live in DC metro area, grew up with diverse group of people.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Scratch that I just slammed one a week ago. "Tell me all about how religious you are" while i'm pounding my cock down her throat. I don't blame her though. Sex is a human requirement, we all need it in one way or another.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 112 points113 points  (12 children)

The Bible is pretty clear on this point. It's is forbidden to have sex with farm animals and that's exactly what Obeasts are. That's how they behave with regards to food.

[–]Nothing_Gazes_Back 8 points9 points  (6 children)

We call 'em hammies for a reason.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I freakin' lol'd the other day on this forum when someone referred to them as "hambeasts". Just perfect.

[–]wrekd 4 points4 points [recovered]

Hambeast, hamplanet, and landwhale are all beautiful descriptors.

[–]vagbutters 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Landwhale is my personal favorite. If you were to remove the clothes from these things, they'd look pretty similar to a whale or walrus

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed. So eloquently stated. I thank you for your patriotism. I also would have accepted she-beast, lardzilla, and "ass looks like 100 lbs of chewed bubble gum".

[–]cashcow1 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It also forbids gluttony. And tells men to instruct their wives.

So, he should quit being such a faggot, and tell his wife that she is sinning by being a fat pig. And other women in the church should also have been telling her to lose weight and stop being a hambeast.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree. However the Church of 2016 is so desperate for attendance that they adopt any SJW values thrown at them. The way things are going in 2020 people will be taught that Jesus was a tranny.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 25 points26 points  (6 children)

The number one advice on any Reddit thread. Go throw $200 at a counselor who got a degree in Gender Studies and will just talk to you for an hour. Yeah, that should solve everything.

I consider marriage/couples counseling as part of the marriage-divorce-industrial complex at this point.

Somehow the folks in the marriage counseling industry have marketed themselves to the point where the first response off of anyone's tongue is "marriage counseling" when marital trouble comes up. Heaven forbid you ask your trusted friends and family for advice.

Even DeBeers would be envious - at least people these days are questioning the actual value of buying a diamond engagement ring, but no one questions the value of marriage counseling.

Marriage counselors charge by the hour. Do you think a counselor is going to be motivated to say, "Bitch, get off your fat ass, hit the gym, and no more KFC for you, or you're going to lose your husband. Put some effort in for goodness sake. Here's my bill for 30 seconds."

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Counselors and psychologists prey on people's weakness by claiming to be able to solve major issues by merely talking about them.

Nowadays nobody tells a man to suck it up and be stoic when life is tough and instead they tell him to see a psychologist for therapy.

Bottom'ish gay guys seem to be especially vulnerable to be lured into this toxic feminine frame.

[–]douglas_p 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Bottom'ish gay guys seem to be especially vulnerable to be lured into this toxic feminine frame.

It's because they hang out with women too much. Most fag hags I know are over-medicated basic bitches.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I know one, who is actually not a basic bitch, as you refer to her. She's trophy wife material. And that is her life now that she's relocated to a part of the country where men appreciate her. She wanted an Alpha, but in Alabama, she was dealing with the lowest forms of trash. She moved to Los Angeles, and now dates a high roller, a guy that built it on his own. i envy her for kicking those fags she hung out with here, and went to LA to find a MAN. I envy him because she has a banging body and face to go with it. Would hulk smash.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm from Alabama originally. Definitely can believe what you just wrote. Especially considering what my tailor, an old straight-talking Korean man told me about visiting LA.

He showed me his vacation pics and there was a very well-dressed guy walking down the sidewalk in it, and looked like he belonged on a magazine cover.

I can't imagine the contrast! LOL.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the official dress of men in Alabama is a Crimson Tide or Auburn Tigers t-shirt. Sadly, some of the women too. I suppose that's all that will fit on obesity. It's not all bad here though...We basically have zero property taxes on our houses.

[–]rundownweather 24 points25 points  (12 children)

Religion doesn't turn you into a betamax. Being a betamax turns you into a betamax.

[–]iLLprincipLeS 14 points14 points [recovered]

There's nothing "Christian" in that shit sub, offering "muh counseling" advice. The Christian answer is /u/Zipzappon , you work TOGETHER with her. That's the whole point of marriage. The RedPill answer is: if you wanted to make big demands, you should have negotiated better before marrying her. You're now not in a position of power. Your wife will not lose weight because you're not worth it, yet.

[–]vicious_armbar 5 points6 points  (2 children)

deleted What is this?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ladies like to call it the divorce diet.

[–]AmazonExplorer 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Don't joke with me. r Christianity has been saturated with atheists, protestants and leftists in general. If you want to see a truly religious subreddit, go to r Catholicism. The people in r Christianity have internalized the secularist message that everything is equal and everything is true. The people there so no value truth.

Edit: Had to repost since bot removed my submission for linking to subreddits

[–]cashcow1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree. I left it because it has nothing to do with Christianity.

[–]aanarchist 12 points13 points  (1 child)

it's really sad how like, i've talked to some really nice religious people who seem like they don't mean anyone any harm and wanna spread like "god's love" and things like that. on the other hand they go so far with it sometimes that it's like dude you're an enabler if you can't tell people to fuck off with some of the shit that they do.

[–]Betterthanuatlife 47 points48 points  (25 children)

As a traditional Lutheran I'm observing what is happening to the Swedish church with disgust. Not to long ago a FEMALE reverend took down the cross from a Stockholm church because she didn't want to offend muslims. Thinking about leaving and going Catholic instead. At least they value tradition a little bit. Also Jesus didn't die for people to partake in every sin imaginable. And gluttony is a sin, and personally I find it to be the worst sin because it demonstrates a lack of self control. People who are gluttons are usually lazy as well which is another sin, sloth

[–]rundownweather 8 points9 points  (12 children)

Come with us, Pope Francis may not be Ratzinger but he's spoken openly against gender theory.

[–]Erudite_Delirium 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Pope Francis is going out of his way to bring about the destruction of the Church, though to be fair that is what the other Cardinals elected him to do.

[–]Chemlab187 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I thought this also until I started getting direct translations of his communications. The media takes everything he says and translates it into the exact opposite. He is actually very conservative and is throwing liberal cardinals under the bus all the time.

[–]rundownweather 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People tend to forget that the main reason pope Benedict XVI resigned was because some cardinals were trying to throw him under the bus after he tried to crack down on monetary scandals in the Vatican. Francis is actually a harder customer than Benedict in this regard.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

He also kisses the feet of immigrants.

[–]Johnny_Lawless_Esq 11 points11 points [recovered]

You may recall that Christianity was founded by a dude named Christ, who, as you may further recall, made one hell of a point to go far out of his way to hang out with the most reviled people in his society: prostitutes, tax collection contractors, lepers, all of that. The point being was to show that all human beings, no matter what, are worthy of dignity and love.

Pope Frank, by kissing the feet of refugees, or whatever, is reminding us of that, and if you didn't have your head firmly up your ass, you'd know this.

Is it a good idea to admit to Europe every single human being who shows up in their territorial waters? I don't know. Probably not. It just encourages more to try, which creates huge problems for countries whose economies are already in the long-term shitter (every nation in southern Europe). But that doesn't mean you treat them like garbage.

What Pope Frank is doing is demonstrating an ideal to strive for. We'll never get there. The world is a messy, tricky place. But that doesn't mean you don't try, and people like him, who deliberately and consciously choose to manifest the ideal in their daily lives, are what we need to remind us to try.

So get over yourself.

[–]rundownweather 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Foot washing is a traditional rite that was initiated by Jesus himself, and charity is a traditional Christian virtue, which the Italian government has been practicing a lot lately by fishing up all those niggers from the sea. Of course, most of these charitably rescued individuals are also illegal aliens who need to be sent back from where they came from, and we will need to charitably take up this burden ourselves, since it seems that other european governments are too busy to help.

[–]H42 9 points9 points [recovered]

Catholic = beer

Lutheran = light beer

Orthodox = stout

[–]randarrow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My local Greek orthodox church has it's own liquor license.

[–]fluffyvenom 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm confused by this anology, can you clarify a bit?

[–]Johnny_Lawless_Esq 2 points2 points [recovered]

The idea being that the older versions of Protestantism (Lutheranism and Anglicanism) are essentially Catholic Lite (as St. Robin said, "same religion, half the guilt"), and that Catholicism is Orthodox Lite. I don't entirely agree with the way Orthodox christianity fits into the comparison, but the comparison between Lutheran and Catholic is a good one.

[–]fluffyvenom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I'm orthodox which is why I was confused. I know that we are more traditional/intense but didn't know the other differences

[–]Sad_Larry 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I converted from Protestantism to Catholicism. It was the best decision of my life. And don't worry about Francis, he talks too much. JOIN ME, BROTHER

[–]yumyumgivemesome 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I thought the vast majority of norwegians were atheist?

[–]Jedi5241000 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is not what Christians are supposed to be like. People often forget that the Bible tells men to act like men and not pussies

[–]The__Tren__Train 32 points33 points  (13 children)

JESUS DID NOT DIE FOR THE FATTIES

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[–]Ounumen 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Until someone ran a sword through them fucked their wives and daughters and then sold them as slaves.

[–]Ounumen 2 points3 points  (2 children)

If you dont sin what did Jesus die for?

[–]The__Tren__Train 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Jesus died so his children (everyone but fatties) may be redeemed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus, you guys are killing me. I'm lol'ing my ass off.

[–]cashcow1 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Christian here.

This is exactly what's wrong with Christianity today. Most churches are about 70% women, and the churches pander to them. Effeminized, emotionalized self-help messages masquerading as the teachings of Christ.

Compare that to a church that teaches biblical, Red Pill truth, and it's night and day. There are churches that still tell women to respect and submit to their husbands, and excommunicate them if they initiate divorce rape. There are churches where men are men, and women are women, and fathers are the leaders of their homes.

If anyone is interested in Red Pill Christianity, take a look at Dalrock, Deep Strength, Vox Day, and the monk over at Return of Kings.

I don't give a fuck if any of you is an atheist, and I have no interest in your whining about how I believe in a silly sky god or something. That discussion belongs elsewhere, and you need to learn how to consider an idea without accepting it.

[–]landon042 8 points9 points  (0 children)

this is hilarious you know why? this man boy/manchild will have died a slave. He can not think for himself. he is following the elite narritive to the core.

[–]torodinson 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Gluttony and sloth are sins.

[–]Usyoubigam 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Regardless of your religion or beliefs, if you're not discerning and can't think for yourself, you will be a slave to whatever you follow.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Don't these fucking idiots know that gluttony is one of the 7 deadly sins? His wife is a sinner who needs to be saved. This poor guy just wants to save her from the hands of the devil before she needs a doctor to do it via some type of bypass surgery.

I'm so fucking sick of this fat acceptance shit. Being fat is unhealthy. People shouldn't be ashamed of themselves but be realistic about their situation. If the boat is sinking because there's a hole in it, do you try to plug it up? Or do you say "all boats are beautiful" on repeat until you drown to death.

This guys wife needs to re-read her bible.

[–]kurisuotaku 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Utter bollocks.

Christfag here, and I am currently on the search worldwide for hottest wife I can find.

Anyway marriage is for life, and it works both ways, religion ensured that if a woman cheated, she would get stoned just as readily as if a man did. If a woman was found unattractive she could be divorced (it's even mentioned in the gospels).

Marriage in the Bible was all about ensuring that the woman behaved, and the man was in charge.

So, you can live your miserable lives hopping from one vagina to the next until you get syphillis or AIDS, and take as many pills as you like then.

Its that guys own fault for marrying her, and it is his own issue that she is fat, maybe he should have told her to work out, and not acted like a complete faggot.

[–]cashcow1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I want to attend your church.

[–]kurisuotaku 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Faithful Word Baptist Church.

You can watch on youtube (sanderson1611)

[–]PaulMurrayCbr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And I'll bet that not one of them pointed out that gluttony is a sin, and people who live in unrepented sin spending a lost eternity burning in the fires of God's holy anger.

[–]seaguy87 17 points18 points  (8 children)

Tips for Christian men:

 

1) In churches, everyone wears masks. Feminists have turned churches into "safe spaces" where no one offends or discusses anything real anymore.

2) Churches don't emphasize bodily health and fitness (it's perishable anyway.) If you're going to marry a lardbucket before you get married, don't be surprised over the fact that most women's bodies tend to deteriorate after marriage -- and the church environment will not do anything to curb it. They'll just blame the media for setting unrealistic standards for beauty and turning men into horndogs.

3) Sexiness and sex is mostly seen as carnal and as a man you will be shamed for your sex drive.

4) Put off marriage as long as you can.

[–]RichieFinn 11 points12 points  (4 children)

To be honest it depends on the branch of Christianity.

I grew up in a very strict denomination and the women were not included what so ever in leading or meetings, only with teaching the kids, sex once it was within marriage was quite encouraged, and very real things were discussed, no matter how uncomfortable. I left for other reasons but just pointing out it can depend.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It is unfortunate to hear that is so rare now.

[–]VicVineger16 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Which denomination? That's where I'll meet my wife material.

[–]RichieFinn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its called church of christ. No trust me it isnt, the girls will either rebel and be little partying sluts, or be homeschooled and lack any sense of social skills. The fundamentals and ideas are solid, but you know how people are. Also there was a lot more strict rules that hindered people too

[–]cashcow1 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I agree heartily with the first 3.

If you can find a quality virgin who is willing to marry you without a government contract (i.e. private marriage, commitment to monogamy, but no risk of divorce rape), then go ahead and marry young.

[–]RadioRunner 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Can you elaborate further on this private marriage business? I've not heard oh the possibility of that before. Is it still recognized by the state?

Do you hire an intermediary that holds you both to marriage, or is it private in that you both just agree to "marry"?

[–]tallguyjp 19 points19 points [recovered]

OP, religion does not make you a beta slave. THE PEOPLE make you a beta slave. If you look at traditional Christianity, it's redpill to the core. Just wanted to point out a flaw in your post. Otherwise, good content.

[–]Nicolay77 3 points4 points  (1 child)

One of the main ideological problems here is that he got married to 'put a tick mark on his list'.

It doesn't help him, it was not needed, and he only got married to someone he has never found attractive, just because everybody else was doing the same.

What he missed the most was the awareness that marriage is something that helps women a lot more than it helps men. It is a big burden on us.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let's reverse it and see how the same advice looks.

"My husband has lost his job, his friends, and become a lazy slob whom refuses to find work and whom I'm no longer attracted to. What should I do?"

"Go to counseling. Love is unconditional. Jesus said so."

Edit: now that I think about it, a better analogy would be a woman marrying a neck beard then being surprised she has no attraction to him after marriage when he's still a basement dwelling cheeto munching porn addict.

[–]AussiePhil82 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The guy deserves what he's got.

Getting married without having sex first is obviously a recipie for disaster. Do you buy a car without taking it for a test drive first? Especially if it's the only car you will ever be allowed to drive for the rest of your life.

Also, she was already overweight and eating unhealthy; it's not like she let herself go after getting married.

Expecting somebody to change after getting married is nieve at best. The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I agree. He didn't seem to care about sexuality at all (or even the promise of it) before he got married. He married a fatty. Now he's complaining about his choices. He should man up now and own his choice. "I thought she would get into gym AFTER we got married". Pathetic loser!

[–]Fr3akShow 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Wow... this was me a couple years ago. Actually, when I met my (now ex) wife, she was a ballroom dancer, ran 5ks, and was very attractive. After we got married, she stopped doing all that and started letting herself go. She became obese, got lazy, stopped wearing makeup, and the sex stopped. I got all the same bullshit advice: go to counseling, don't bring up the weight, etc. I hung in there for 9 years and then got the fuck out. I have to pay alimony for a few years now, but freedom isn't free. Like the dude said: Don't get married! Also, I was a Christian for 25 years, and now I'm an atheist. I kicked all the religious bullshit to the curb. By the way, religion does create betas. Read the book "no more mr. nice guy". All the examples in the book are beta dudes raised on religion... every single one.

[–]offthebeatmeoff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude needs to take advantage of his religion for what he wants. Tell his also Catholic wife that he wants to grow closer to his wife and faith simultaneously. Fast on Sundays and Holy days of Obligation. Take a note from Jesus and reject all pleasures for 40 days aka no touching the wife and getting rid of all the sweets and non staple foods from the house. Really commit to it.

Remember that currently the Catholic Church has folded to progressives and pussies, but in it's first 400 years only the boldest and the ballsiest would be Catholics. God was this all powerful bad ass who could do anything. Jesus was a carpenter who flipped tables on bad Jews, walked on water during hurricane force winds, and told his followers to "follow me" not "please if you want you can be my companion". Jesus was the fucking man who was on a mission to not fuck bitches or get money, but literally endure excruciating fear and pain despite having our human weaknesses. In the face of unlimited temptation he was a man who could still do what was hard, and his followers although buckling (Peter rejecting him 3 times like a big old pussy), were expected to grow the same pair in his name.

My advice is that this guy needs to go old school Catholic.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I used to enjoy drive-in intermission clips on YouTube, and I began to think about the stark contrast of today's wives vs. the old days ('40s, '50s, & a bit later).

In a few clips, there are promos for the family attending the church of their choice. The mother was a feminine, well-dressed lady that any man would be proud to be seen with. I'm sure if some of us go look at old pics of our grandmothers and great-grandmothers we'll see the same.

Contrast that by what we see today and how far the bar has be lowered, as fundamental red-pill truths have been ignored (and even avoided!) like the following:

  • Men are attracted to sexually appealing women
  • Women are attracted to masculine men who can lead and provide a decent impression of strength and etc
  • "Letting oneself go" is a sign of laziness, apathy, and reflects not being considerate of what's best for your spouse

I've found it fascinating how much the church today (in some cases, unfortunately it appears to be fairly common though) attempts to push young/men to "man up" and marry fatties and those women who have no interest in truly pleasing their mate.

I know I harp on it a lot, but Dalrock and here does a superb job of providing examples and filtering out the feminists bullshit and the attempt to shame men into submission and a faux sense of responsibility for low-quality women.

Honest, real, legit Christian people are some of the best people you can possibly meet. They are motivated to help the poor and provide the possibility of improving lives in remote areas of the world, too.

However, it really is a shame the church has men (and women!) who let it backslide and do not hold their daughter's feet to the fire in terms of raising them to maintain standards a man needs for all he does. It doesn't surprise me any more that divorce rates and adultery happens as much as it does. After the fun in the first part of an LTR wears off, it's easy to grow tired of a woman (ESPECIALLY a 4, 5/10, even worse for chubbies/fatties) and be tempted by the next relatively attractive, sexy woman who comes along.

It just seems to defy common sense to me. I still blame mothers for allowing their daughters to be pampered, spoiled, and grow up thinking they can be as unattractive as they want and not strictly maintain a fairly attractive appearance. Of course, blue-pill dads are greatly to blame.

I live in the southeast USA, and the problem is even worse. In small areas, there is a tremendous amount of obesity. If it weren't for living in a more successful, well educated area I wouldn't see cute women at church at all. Even then it's a gamble.

[–]tuxedoburrito 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That link doesn't work. I'd really like to read that article if you could repost it please

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thanks for letting me know. There should be 2 working links now. Try rereshing the page if you don't see 2.

The real gems are often not so much the topic and his notes but reader comments! Pretty good! And usually very red-pill.

[–]tuxedoburrito 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What a title, lol.

Thank you for sharing.

[–]Gawernator 4 points5 points  (12 children)

Good post. This is a good example of how Christianity has become totally invaded and perverted by Blue pill ideology

[–]cashcow1 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The Bible warned about this:

"They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires,"

2 Timothy 3:6

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That and the things about pushing men to "man up" and marry these "beautiful young women" in the congregation.

Referring to the uglies/fatties/or single moms, of course. Get in your place, boy! Marry up!

[–]Gawernator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah. Totally remember that. Tons of fatties in church. Only a couple hotties

[–]Entrefut 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You know what I don't get. If God came back and saw how gluttenous, overweight lazy the majority of the human population had become, wouldn't he hate it just as much as this dude does? The human body is an amazing and beautiful thing. Why would god, if he was in a way the caretaker of earth, accept people essentially slowly killing themselves anymore than he would accept us slowly destroying the planet we live on? It makes no sense. I don't believe in god, but the idea that God has made these people in his image is a joke. God didn't want us to be 300lb and do nothing but sit around, eat and complain. If anything he'd have created us to work, be strong, healthy and lead productive lives.

I disagree that religion has ruined thus guy, it's still just woman pandering culture regarles of religion. The whole Christian thing is just an excuse for this guy, because he doesn't have the balls to tell his wife what he thinks, Christian or not. We all know even if he wasn't Christian he'd find a reason to stay with her.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. When you cut through things, you'll see that people use the most convenient, closest excuses to justify their sloth, bad habits, like in this subject.

[–]Waffle_squid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I read that thread; it was fucking hilarious.

All these people here are bashing Christianity, which is fine, I think that is healthy. I agree with OP that religion has been subverted by feminists and progressives.

Mainstream Christianity is not biblical. The message of the Christian church has changed to fit this whole feminized society. I don't "feel like losing hope", I don't "need someone to lean on", I don't "feel helpless", I feel like whoever is preaching this shit needs to be fucking kicked out because Jesus is the message that is supposed to be preached here, and even he is feminized now in his physical appearance(his looks were not good)and in the way he behaves towards people. If I were Jesus, I would be fucking pissed and I doubt that Jesus cares more about someone's marital status than if they're leading a biblical life which has nothing to do with getting married, in my personal opinion. The apostle Paul even said, he wishes that men were single like he was.

My "bigoted" and "sexist" fundamentalist christian upbringing had it right, men need to lead their families and the wife needs to submit, end of story. Man was created with the charge that he would subdue the world and all that was in it, and woman being his companion, not the other way around.

If you're going to look for a good redpill church, look for it in the fundamentalists, the orthodox, the old school denominations who have refused to back down from their beliefs and patriarchal way of interpreting marriage and the bible. They have their own problems, but you will have a higher likelihood of finding good people there.

Therefore my theory is that today, to be "christian" in the purest sense, which is not at all popular to be, takes commitment and balls, and in some cases you have to do it yourself sadly, or else you will turn into a pussy.

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[–]2Archterus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personally I would use dread game and not say a word, The stakes are high and include divorce. He needs to knuckle down and get his shit together. Eat clean, lift hard, cardio and cultivate discipline. As the body changes so does the mind. Soon enough, if he has the eyes to see, he will be getting looks, both women and men will start responding to him differently. She will either respond in kind or not. The choice is then his. Don't fall for the counselling, mental illness or erectile dysfunction bullshit. we are visual creatures and I believe that if one is going to enter into a LTR or marriage (standard warning applies) then each has an obligation to keep their physical shit in shape.

[–]Lsegundo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OP shackled himself to a lard ass and expected her to change. She didn't have the desire to be in shape when she was single she has even less now.

The woman you start dating is the woman you end up with. I no longer try to change women. You either accept who she is or improve yourself and go find someone better.

Having options is best of all. When multiple women are competing for you you win. If OP was only dating her and some other women what would his options be?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

this guy is the ultimate fool for thinking his wife would be motivated to lose weight after they get married

[–]Limekill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

+1.

Though she probably mouthed the words to get her beta bux.

[–]EmDeeEx 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can have a man in the same situation back in the 1800s and it would be largely similar. While I agree that religion can and often is weaponized, the example you used, trying to tie it to feminism..it's kinda not true at all lol.

Shit it was pretty much a guaranteed excommunication back I'm the day if you even considered divorce.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Smart post OP. Don't disagree with any of it.

These are the same people who push for acceptance of Islam, the lefties who co-opt religion. I've thought that they're excited to integrate something so insistent and volatile into their repertoire, but never in the terms you've suggested.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 6 points7 points  (21 children)

 

Mark Passio:

https://youtu.be/cp4h9TU941k

 

The word "Religion" actually means "to tie back" or "hold back".

Truth is more valuable than faith. Reject faith... seek truth.

 

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 6 points7 points  (5 children)

The word "Religion" actually means "to tie back" or "hold back".

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=religion

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3087765?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion#Etymology_and_history_of_the_concept_of_Religion

As usual, obfuscating bullshit, designed for people who are guillible and don't do their own research.

Nothing NOWHERE says that etymology of the word "religion" has ANYTHING to do with what you wrote.

[–]stawek 1 point2 points  (1 child)

While the existence of God is dubious at best, the Christian-Judeo-Greek culture recognizes the existence of Truth. The Absolute (God) is the anchor of all.

This is very important: the existence of Objective Truth means there are objectively better and worse ways of being and doing. Some questions will remain unanswered, possibly forever, but our culture assumes that the answers exist, even if they are beyond knowledge.

As such, we always strive to know more, know better, be better. This is in stark contrast to cultures which espouse total relativity or passivity. Christians might say "some ways are better than others, but we don't know which are which", while Buddhists might say "all ways are essentially the same and it doesn't matter" or a Hindu might say "the ways are set and you should follow your path". Some other cultures, of course, have no fucking clue beyond their next meal.

We are the product of our religions, and so far, Christianity seems to have produced the best outcomes. Disregard God all you want (just as I do) but remeber where you've come from, culturally.

[–]leftenant_t 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Blue Pill is a metaphor for social programming and Religion is the most effective version of it.

[–]verify_account 4 points4 points [recovered]

There is no bigger blue bill than the magic man in the sky.

We have so many objective facts here on the red pill. How can you see all the proof of evolution, all the great theories, and still believe in fairy tales? It's comfortable that's why; just like the blue pill.

[–]dat_mean_no_work 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Christianity is slave mentality. We here are master mentality. Very simple.

[–]backdoorbum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's probably Protestant aka a heretic

[–]Ellyit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah idk if I agree with you on this one. This would be true if she was in shape before they got married. He knew what he was getting into.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Believing in the accuracy of most major religions is anti-TRP. As red pill men, we strive to understand and succeed in the world through learning, rationality, and critical thinking. Proper use of those skills should reject all major religions as literally ridiculous. Think about it: A boy was once formed without a sperm cell, lived for 33 years having never had an erection, died for 3 days only to wake up among several hundred other zombies, and then disintegrated in the clouds. If you heard this story for the first time as a rational adult, you would fucking laugh in the person's face. I understand that people have an emotional dependence to religion, but that indeed is very blue pill.

[–]massivewang 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I was an overly zealous evangelical christian for all of my youth (17-28). I did not party, I was a virgin, and I was committed to Christian activities 10-15 hours a week. I became a christian at 17 because I was lonely, had low self esteem, and felt totally lost and unprepared for adulthood. The church was an instant community and sense of purpose (it was one of those big mega churches as well, so it was pretty "cool" compared to the traditional church I grew up in).

Anyway in my late twenties it all came to a head when I woke up one day and realized I was fucking miserable. I found the TRP in that moment, and began to unpack that I was miserable because I was a giant fucking people pleaser, and I had lived the past 11 years of my life for other people and not myself. I had totally neglected all of my needs/wants/desires for the sake of Jesus and the church and couldn't do it anymore.

The church is not a place for men who don't have a strong sense of identity/masculinity to become men. It operates from the feminine imperative and has co-opted a lot of feminist/mainstream ideology (I.E. Women are single because men won't "man up" and marry). Anyone who is not walking into a church as a strong/confident/masculine man is fucked. If he is sincere in his desire to be a Christian and learn the articles of faith, he will inevitably embrace super beta attitudes/behaviors.

I was a supplicating nice guy with no sense of self. I walked into a church and those behaviors were only reinforced/exaggerated because in a church environment you "die to yourself and live for Christ. Seek first the kingdom of God! etc". Churches love and celebrate people pleasers because they are "selfless" - they serve, they give their time/money/resources to the church and the community. They are yes men, they do what they are told, they are sold out for the mission. Unfortunately the church mission and goals rarely align with what men want/need.

It's quite ironic because most of the leaders of large/successful church communities are strong/confident alpha males. Yet they are naive or malicious in their intent as they are not teaching men how to be masculine.

Really I think it just goes to high light that you're on your fucking own. Nobody gives a FUCK about what you NEED, nor what you WANT. The church especially. The church wants you to do as YOU ARE TOLD. So if you're a man who is beta to the core and has poor emotional boundaries/etc, you are fucked until the day you wake up and take ownership of your life.

Perhaps this is another issue, in that a lot of Christian philosophy, God is in control and you are not. "Let go and let God". It is contradictory to the idea that you as a man need to take life by the balls and make it happen to yourself.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If the young men in these churches are virgins, are the young women virgins as well?

[–]massivewang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let's just say there are far more male virgins than female ones.

[–]aRedThought 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Religion has always been a form of control starting with mesopotamia, it was used to deify their kings so that they could reign unquestioned. modern religions evolved from the ancient polythesistic religions and continued to use that concept. I believe the bible talks about not questioning your government. Islam is extremely territorial and government based as it originated with Mohammed, a warlord.

If you don't see that I suggest you pick up a history book.

[–]cashmoney_x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

COUNSELLING?! Sweet fuck people are so lost. He sold his entire sexuality to a whale and he regrets it. He was sold a raw deal by society telling him he has to be with one woman forever. End of story.

[–]Charmingaxelotl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't know if anyone else has mentioned it but gluttony is definitely a sin as the bible says. That guy needs to be the head of the house and tell her she needs to lose weight for many reasons.

[–]idiocraties 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Christianity is neither Red nor Blue, it was concerned with keeping civilisation working. Formed around timeless red pill wisdom but with the awareness that society cant carry on with mass shitlording and red pill trolling , it instead focused on restring the dangerous red pill aspects with blue pill thinking, and the weak blue pill aspects with red pill commandments. A balance was struck to keep families strong, but to make sure every man had a family if he wanted one - this was done by restricting female sexuality, and giving every beta a stake in society .

All of this was wrapped up in a neat body of work with simple incentives and punishments to make it easily digestible to any halfwit.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

priests being tricked into being celibate even though bible doesn't call for it = beta and blue pill

Jesus smashing mary Magdalene every chance he got and being married like any rabbi would in those days = alpha and red pill

[–]Avskygod0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His fault for marrying a chubby girl when he isn't into chubby girls

protestants lmao

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