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Red Pill Example"When women see a guy with an obese girlfriend, that guy basically becomes a non-entity to them -- even if he's hot" (self.TheRedPill)

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I don't generally post here but I saw a comment from a female user on another site and it was so perfect that I had to share it. To set the scene: a girl made a post complaining that one of her male friends was simply using his fat girlfriend for sex; waiting around until he found someone better. In response to this, one of the top female users on the site gave the following response:

This doesn't seem real.

When women see a guy with an obese girlfriend, that guy basically becomes a non-entity to them -- even if he's hot.

like, basically he has just disqualified himself for every woman who's seen him with that girlfriend (and all those women's friends, too).

Harsh reality, but, reality nonetheless. Women don't want themselves basically put in the same league as the girlfriend.

So... on the off-chance that this is actually real... this guy is totally fucking up his own plan. lol.

I feel like I should say something more but I honestly have nothing to add. She summed it up so perfectly.


EDIT: Some of you guys are getting pissed off and saying that the post is wrong because you shouldn't give a shit about what anyone else thinks. The latter is absolutely correct. If you happen to find a decent woman (overweight or otherwise) who you care about and want to be with, then you should be with her regardless of what anyone else thinks.

However, this particular story specifically pertains to being with an overweight woman in a temporary fashion (e.g. FWB). The point being: if you care about her then you should be with her, but if this is a temporary thing and you're planning to move on at some point, then you should be aware that it will possibly lower your SMV.


[–]lozboss 286 points287 points  (48 children)

This is competition anxiety in action.

If you have a hot girl on your arm then other women perceive you as a catch and high SMV.

[–]_Trigglypuff_ 132 points133 points  (28 children)

And the main reason for slut shaming. Think of women like massage parlors. If they want to get business from males and social status and a good rapport they have to give a good service for a good price. How mad would you be if a dirt cheap parlor opened up across the street that gave the exact same experience without having to set up a fucking direct debit, fees and insurances.

It's also the reason prostitution would never get legalized. Your average 20 something who was born with big tits wouldn't earn shit in this life.

[–]LuvBeer 154 points155 points  (11 children)

Fucked a girl off tinder the other night. She's 31, good body, but has all the hallmarks of a serial CC rider and so anal, swallowing, rough sex on the first date. In between rounds we get to talking about porn and she says she's a regular consumer but is against "all that teen stuff" which makes her uncomfortable. Yeah, letting a strange man plow your ass and choke you and call you a whore doesn't make you uncomfortable, but that teen porn...

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 57 points58 points  (1 child)

Amused mastery, disregard, and keep smashin'. You keep telling yourself that hun.

[–]2kevin32 7 points8 points  (0 children)

she says she's a regular consumer but is against "all that teen stuff" which makes her uncomfortable

Given the deceptive nature of women, what are the odds she was hinting it's something she's actually into, but doesn't want to be judged for it?

[–]itooktrp 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Luvbeer how strong is your game generally, and how strong is your tinder game? Are you over/under 30yo?

[–]LuvBeer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Pushing 40. Street game is ok, tinder game is on fleek lol.

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    [–]RedPillFusion 46 points47 points  (0 children)

    You are underestimating the number of women this can and does apply to.

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      [–]slay_it_forward 3 points4 points  (5 children)

      Australia has some if the hottest bitches around? LOL

      [–]1Soarinc 5 points6 points  (4 children)

      The sun in Australia fries their skin and ages them 3x faster than the west

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        [–]buddboy 50 points51 points  (6 children)

        It blew my mind how different things were when I dated an extremely attractive girl.

        All people treated me differently, guys and girls, and all treated me better. But I actually found a lot of girls just backing off. Like girls that were trying to get with me before actually just kind of disappeared when I started dating the hotter girl. Maybe they knew they couldn't compete and felt shitty about it and tried to just avoid the situation?

        But then girls that never looked at me before looked at me differently and I got more attention from hotter girls.

        [–]PeanutFlavor 19 points20 points  (3 children)

        Happens to me a lot too. Used to never be an issue. Now, when females I work with see me hitting it off with a fox, they seem to back down. Feels like an ego boost because at that point theyre observing how much confidence comes out of a largely quiet guy. It flips their misconceptions. there're times it can be jarring though.

        [–]clear_lights 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Please elaborate on the jarring effect

        [–]1Soarinc 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I guess by jarring, you mean the women get silent but with a confused mood?

        [–]PeanutFlavor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Jarring because it's often a chick I'm most into that backs out. someone who exhibits the traits of a woman I'm most interested in other than looks. they fizzle out so easy when they see I can pull a 10. I don't know what it is, but it's seemingly easier with hotter girls...they give and take in a conversation and their confidence doesn't just suddenly wane when competition shows up or when the ball isn't in their court. You can stay in a groove. And that's really important.

        I laugh pretty hard when women say men don't like confident women, I'm definitely one who does. Women who say that are often confusing confident with snippy and judgmental

        [–]Pastelitomaracucho 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        The trophy wife doesn't exist for nothing..

        [–]1dongpal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        it blew my mind how often women look at women and not men. i thought because women like men they would look at them but noo...

        [–]jackandjill22 15 points16 points  (4 children)

        Can someone seriously explain how much the Halo-effect dictates social/romantic success?

        [–]JackGetsIt 24 points25 points  (2 children)

        Women are social creatures.

        [–]jackandjill22 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        So, as women go; so does society.

        sigh

        [–]LarParWar 15 points16 points  (0 children)

        And as fathers go, so too do women.

        [–]cosine88 17 points18 points  (0 children)

        Growing up, the first time I ever got attention was from a 5 and a 6 who both "randomly" got super interested in me.

        In retrospect it was because I was hanging out and having fun with my oneitis 9 who I never got with. But I would still make her laugh, she was comfortable around me...etc.

        The 5 was the queen bee of her little club, and expressed to them all how hot I was. Even though I didn't know them at all. The 6 who looks up to the queen bee recognized that I had a lot of value.

        I've just seen shit like that happen too much. And likewise, if I were hanging out with an obese 3/10 or 2/10, the other girls would have never sparked interest in me.

        If you can't see it, you're probably not looking.

        [–][deleted] 121 points122 points  (36 children)

        I was working in an office and was a fairly popular guy. Then a "plump" girl I was FB's with started telling everyone. I could feel the change in status.

        The strange thing is, I think she did that on purpose. Like she knew, just telling other women about us would give me less options and eventually leave me with no options.

        [–][deleted] 115 points116 points  (16 children)

        She staked her claim. Of course she did this on purpose.

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          [–]7a7p 33 points34 points  (2 children)

          Not subconscious. Self-conscious. She was aware of her status and that made her aware how far out of her zone she may have been playing. She just tried to even the competition. If the two of them had a FB agreement then she's banking on OP being weak enough to just go with her changing their relationship status without his consent. She's basically forcing him into it via social blackmail.

          I'd say dump her ass in public and roll with the consequences.

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            [–]7a7p 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Absolutely. I'm new to TRP. The psychology of women isn't that new to me. Learning the proper (and most beneficial) response is exactly why I subbed.

            Thanks for helping. Hope to learn a lot and use it all.

            [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 22 points23 points  (2 children)

            It's funny because this deliberate maneuver requires conscious acknowledgement that she's of lower tier SMV.

            [–]darkrood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Easy, throw in one of the"this one time, he forced himself on me" in passing

            [–]redpillthrowawayyy 115 points116 points  (36 children)

            She summed it up so perfectly.

            Yep.

            Beyond not wanting to be in the same league, they assume something is "wrong with this guy" if that is the best he can do.

            Starts them wondering what kind of huge problems this guy has that made him settle for a fatty

            [–]WazzuMadBro 106 points107 points  (16 children)

            Reminds me of the scene in Moneyball where the scouts are all talking and one of them says no to a prospect because he has an ugly girlfriend. Other scouts ask what that has to do with anything and he says it means he lacks confidence.

            [–]pointguard2534 31 points32 points  (15 children)

            As a huge moneyball fan, i never connected this to TRP. My minds blown right now. Great shit

            [–]wreave 31 points32 points  (14 children)

            As a Sales Manager, this is an easy way to identify a good salesman. Put me in a room with 20 sales guys to interview in 5 minutes, and I can do it with only two criteria:
            - how long were you at each of your last two jobs
            - show me a picture of your wife or girlfriend

            The differential between how attractive the sales guy is, and how attractive his wife/gf is, tells me a lot about how good he is.

            [–]LarParWar 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            Is length of job a positive or a negative?

            [–]wreave 23 points24 points  (0 children)

            I like to see two years at each of the previous two jobs. Someone who leaves jobs quickly will leave me just as quickly. Obviously, there are exceptions (I've had some myself), but in general I'd rather invest time in training someone that will be around long enough for the investment to pay off.

            Same thing applies to girlfriends. If you are looking for an LTR, and you're going out with a girl who's had four boyfriends in the last year, she's already told you what she is going to do... invest accordingly.

            [–]pointguard2534 4 points5 points  (6 children)

            how about a dude who's ugly and fat with an attractive girl?

            [–]wreave 51 points52 points  (3 children)

            Probably one hell of a salesman.

            [–]SACRlion 13 points14 points  (1 child)

            Have you heard Penn State football coach James Franklin talk about hiring assistant coaches? He got in some hot water a few years ago at Vanderbilt because he said he could tell how good of a recruiter a coach is just by looking at their wife or girlfriend. If she's hot, it means he's a helluva salesman, and worthy of hiring.

            The feminists freaked out over this comment, of course.

            [–]wreave 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            Feminists freaking out over sociological facts? Say it ain't so, Joe.

            [–]el_Technico 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            As a regional manager, I would never gauge ones negotiating ability based on a picture of their girlfriend, because attraction cannot be negotiated. Furthermore, looking at a picture will never provide you with the insight of why the person is currently with that person. Your whole theory is based on an ignorant assumption. Have you ever considered that a person may choose a less physically attractive person because they are overall better than a person who is just physically attractive but perhaps also has many other negative qualities? Moreover, perhaps the good salesman just doesn't give a shit about changing an attractive womans naturally shitty personality.

            [–]wreave 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            My perspective is just based on 20+ years in sales and sales management, but you may have a different perspective. If your perspective is that attractive women have shitty personalities, you're hanging out with the wrong women.

            [–]aaronimpact 31 points32 points  (16 children)

            Well the saying goes every hot chick out there, there is somebody who's tired of their bullshit.

            [–]redpillthrowawayyy 74 points75 points  (13 children)

            Yeah, I've heard the saying but I don't know.

            Struck me as sour grapes

            Hot chicks have super easy lives, everyone is so nice to them, it tends to make them pleasant people.

            The nastiest ones are the 0/10 SJW fat pigs, they are so bitter and just toxic people

            Of course someone will respond with 'Nuh uh there was this really hot girl that was a bitch' or 'I know a fat girl that is nice' but I'm talking generalties here.

            [–]Orig_analUse_rname 35 points36 points  (1 child)

            You are right. The bitchiest girls to me are always the least attractive.

            [–]PeanutFlavor 16 points17 points  (0 children)

            I actually did a 200 person tally on this a few years back. Attractive women--by large margin--responded best to (confident) greetings/niceties etc than other ones. Many of them have enough social grace to know to either accept the gesture and move on. Or, if you give off enough smv, they'll carry on with you.

            An truly attractive woman, a 9/10, knows how to simply dodge a lame person instead of use all that energy being angry towards them...like a 6 or 7. We all know bad 7s are. They're like Jack Russells

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              [–]Harry_Fraud 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              Regarding Women like these: They don't just eventually hit the wall, the wall hits them

              [–]darkrood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              True bottom of barrel women or men don't engage people sexually period, so they are pretty much out of this discussion.

              [–]Drmadanthonywayne 15 points16 points  (2 children)

              Hot chicks have super easy lives, everyone is so nice to them, it tends to make them pleasant people.

              Until they get older and stop being hot chicks, then suddenly everyone stops treating them like royalty...

              [–]darkrood 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Then you see the one who actually invest in themselves have their graceful sunsets, and the basic bitches rained down like meteor shower.

              [–]itooktrp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              "Hot chicks have super easy lives, everyone is so nice to them, it tends to make them pleasant people."

              So true, they literally live in a different world when you think about it.

              [–]Shotgun_Sentinel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              They are nasty to the ugly guys and the nerds, because they don't to waste their time with them though. Thats where the stigma comes from, nerds bitching.

              [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              That's why you leave the hot chick, then go find another hot chick. You never downgrade.

              [–]wreave 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              No matter how hot she is, some guy somewhere is already tired of putting up with her shit.

              [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

              they assume something is "wrong with this guy" if that is the best he can do.

              Thanks, man. You just explained the experience I had with my date last night.

              [–]Tman5691 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              If a man cannot respect himself, who will?

              [–]1Jax77789 28 points29 points  (1 child)

              Fuck it with this shit. This is like cars in the BP world. You become slaves to others. I do not give a flying fuck if the super-bitchy cunts HB 8-10 think less of me as a result, if I get a boner for a 5 heck I go for it.

              [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

              Conversely, when I see a potentially high smv dude hanging around with mid to low hb's, I assume there's something wrong with him (low confidence, beta, etc)

              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Or he could just be not into an effort-night today, or an effort-relationship.

              I mean, if i was financially monking, i wouldn't try it with the vicious hb8, i'd rather try my luck with the disposable hb4.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 80 points81 points  (49 children)

              Re-posting and editing my comment below to the main branch for visibility since the comment to which I replied is being downvoted.

              I'd be keen to have more people here sharing what they think of OP's post bolstered with their own experience of dating objectively ugly girls.

              Because what I see in OP's post for now is a woman saying something about relationships dynamics, and instead of replying the now-classic "don't believe what she says, watch what she does", everyone here is just agreeing with her because it somehow fits their pre-existing beliefs.

              Personally, I don't think I've read anything in red pill theory on the topic of what women think of a man with an ugly girlfriend (and for good cause, since that's a case we don't really promote).

              If you have relevant anecdotes, please share them. If you have thoughts on how this confirm/contradict red pill theory, please develop them.

              [–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (4 children)

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              What is this?

              [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 12 points13 points  (3 children)

              I was trying to be neutral in my post because I have thoughts both for and against so I'm looking for evidence to decide which way to go.

              I understand you thinking it is "reasonable to think", but my Blue Pill past was full of such assumptions that I now realize were false. So now, I base my thinking of whether it fits red pill theory or not.

              Red pill theory says "pre-selection" is very attractive. If you have women after you, other women will want you. Now the theory never said anything about the hotness of said girls. It is "reasonable to think" that the hotter the girls, the better the impression but perhaps that assumption is just me projecting my male prejudice of esteeming more a man with a hot girl? But hey let's accept that assumption. Now, it does not automatically follow that if she is ugly, the impression becomes so bad that it automatically negates the pre-selection switch in women.

              Hence why I'm reading with great interest the experience that people here are sharing. I want proof.

              Oh and your bit about an unattractive man with a beautiful woman, I understand (and react the same) but doesn't apply here. Sexual dynamics are not symmetrical across sexes.

              [–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Red pill theory says "pre-selection" is very attractive. If you have women after you, other women will want you. Now the theory never said anything about the hotness of said girls. It is "reasonable to think" that the hotter the girls, the better the impression but perhaps that assumption is just me projecting my male prejudice of esteeming more a man with a hot girl?

              I would argue that the quality factors into this. "Winning" against a fugly isn't very rewarding, it's like winning at the paralympics. Winning against a woman who isn't supposed to be totally desperate on the other hand (i.e. any at least average woman) should at least be moderately impressive.

              [–]chiefbl 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Several weeks late but whatever. My personal experience says pre selection work as long as the girl used for pre selection is in range of negative 2 of said girl. Pre red pill I was with a girl hb7 who would always ask or joke around me always hanging with this chick I used to smoke with a lot. She was hb5 at best. I never understood why she did but now I do. In this context, it was dread. But pre selection would mean the same

              [–]nevva_Again 19 points20 points  (2 children)

              If you have relevant anecdotes, please share them...

              JEALOUSY AND CONTEMPT.

              When a beautiful woman sees an obese girl with an attractive guy, it's all jealousy, especially if she's single or her guy is less attractive.

              From my personal experience and observation, if a handsome/rich guy is with an obese girl, the beautiful girls will try their best to catch the attention of the guy and will always treat the obese girl with contempt, especially if they are in the same social circle.

              They reason, ''if this obese girl can score such a hot guy, I can get him as well''

              ''my boyfriend is less handsome than that of an obese girl, no way! I deserve better.''

              Some of them will try to sleep with the hot guy, just to boost their ego that they are hotter than his obese girlfriend.

              Remember, in a social circle, women are always comparing among themselves. They higher the value of their SO, the higher their rank in the group.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 12 points13 points  (0 children)

              Thanks for sharing. So instead of judging the man as lower value for being with an ugly girl, the girls would judge themselves of being more worthy of him than the ugly girl. That does fit the red pill idea of constant sexual competition and women's solipsism.

              [–]BeornPlush 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              My cousin's wife had that kind of reaction to my new car. She felt jealousy and contempt at me (college prof) for having a nicer car than my cousin, albeit him being more successful financially (financial advisor). To paraphrase your take on it:

              "My boyfriend has a lesser car than that of his teacher cousin, no way! I deserve better."

              [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              I'd be keen to have more people here sharing what they think of OP's post bolstered with their own experience of dating objectively ugly girls.

              OK, I'll bite. My main GF for many years was very smart with a pretty face, but she was big, especially next to my tall thin ectomorph frame. Family and friends recognized she was a good person and liked her, and us as a couple. Acquaintances (like staff at our regular restaurants) liked us provided they were not "thirsty."

              I remember one better looking but catty and nasty-attitude waitress who was obviously jealous. She'd pointedly ignore our table completely, yet be seen scowling at us between potted plants and stacked dishes. One time I went there with a different woman and sat in a different section. She spotted me from across the restaurant and went way out of her section to fuss with the condiments on someone else's empty table nearby, then one by one the staff from that section of the restaurant came to fuss with the same empty table.

              Another time we were strolling through a park holding her hand one sunny summer day. A group of really hot cheerleader types passed the other way, and their Mean Girls leader made a scoffing noise. I spoke up, "She has something you may never have." She took the bait and said, "What?" in a snotty voice. I intoned quietly, "The certainty that she's loved for who she is on the inside." and kept strolling. The leader made some nasty snarl in response, but the looks on all of the other faces were an interesting register of surprise at the unexpected turnabout.

              If you have an IDGAF attitude and happy relationship, it doesn't seem to harm average people's opinion of you. It really DOES freak out insecure women, and depending on your mood and inclination at the moment, you can use this to play them like a cat toy, tweaking their insecurity or demonstrating the existence of values in the world besides them and their narcissism.

              Secure or noncompetitive women OTOH tend to see it as benevolently fulfilling their tropes of choice, usually improving their opinion of me and us as a couple.

              [–]JihadDerp 6 points7 points  (3 children)

              Once i was dating the hottest girl I'd ever seen. We were on the verge of breaking up, so i hit up tinder and posted a picture with me and my gf to go out with a bang. Worked like s charm. One girl even asked if we were down for a threesome. Can't imagine the same results with an ugly gf.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              Again, I don't doubt a second that having a hot girl boosts your status. What I want to know is if having an ugly girl tanks your status. The former does not imply the later. I am calling for proof in the form of personal anecdotes. Not "I imagine..", not "It's reasonable to think..". Is my point so hard to understand?

              [–]redpillthrowawayyy 26 points27 points  (19 children)

              bolstered with their own experience of dating objectively ugly girls.

              So apparently I dated an ugly girl. I always thought she was cute, I was super attracted to her, she had a very nice body.

              I only really realized that she was ugly because of a few snide comments on my skype, which had a photo of her and I kissing (I play 07scape and add people from the game regularly).

              No one ever said anything about her being ugly to my face IRL, (Wisely....) rather, some of the people I added would make comments like 'Ur gf looks like my butt m8' 'I thought you were kissing a man and I was like nah homie' 'You're so good looking why are you dating her date me instead' (From a man, lol).

              I am a very attractive man (sorry for brag but it's relevant) and I would often get bad treatment from servers and waitstaff when I was with her, and she would get rude service from them too.

              At the time, I thought to myself 'They're just jealous she has such a handsome boyfriend'.

              In retrospect, I think they were bitter that a girl that a girl they thought was unattractive was with a man that they wish they could be with, that she had gamed the system, etc.

              I was wondering for a while why women had gotten so nasty to me since I was with her, when I was with her.

              EDIT: Just remembered the worst incident of all.

              I was at a liquor store and they had a sale on my favorite beer, and I was in NH where alcohol is really cheap.

              I had this girl with me, my ex, and I stroll up the counter, and I'm told that 'Every member of the party needs to have an ID'.

              Are you kidding me? I was pissed. The fact that I had come there FROM MY JOB in a SUIT pissed me off so much more, the implication that I was supplying alcohol to minors... girl didn't drink and she was wearing a sundress.

              I had never, ever, heard that before when I was buying beer with male friends with me. Never. It was so blatant and the bitch was smug it really got to me. My girlfriend was not 21, and my girlfriend was a good girl, not the kind of skank to have a fake ID, so I was BTFO and had to leave empty handed.

              Another incident: At a restaurant, holding hands, just talking to her. Didn't kiss her. Didn't do anything lewd. Waitress informs me that 'This is a family restaurant and we are going to need you to knock that off'.

              Once again, I couldn't believe it.

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                [–]redpillthrowawayyy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Great post man. Yeah, to be honest, I never really cared what they think, especially seeing as how I had a gf that I liked and was happy with, so why do I care what some random sluts think ya know?

                There was one or two instances where it was just like 'really?'

                I forgot to post it in my main post, but I was at a liquor store and they had a sale on my favorite beer, and I was in NH where alcohol is really cheap.

                I had this girl with me, my ex, and I stroll up the counter, and I'm told that 'Every member of the party needs to have an ID'.

                Are you kidding me? I was pissed.

                I had never, ever, heard that before when I was buying beer with male friends with me. Never. It was so blatant and the bitch was smug it really got to me.

                [–]dapowa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                ... what. fuck off, what if 'you' suck, the only people who value 'you for you' besides famililial-esque relations probably suck or are using you too

                [–]Windryder 9 points10 points  (5 children)

                Types are real. There are some women that people think are super hot that I think are horrendously ugly. Conversely I've been attracted to women that others have found ugly.

                What you're describing is more of a types thing. That's different than you dating someone that was ugly that you also weren't attracted to. Some guys will date an ugly girl consciously because they're worried about getting cheated on if she was hotter or she has some other attribute they really like.

                [–]aDrunkenWhaler 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                There are some women that people think are super hot that I think are horrendously ugly. Conversely I've been attracted to women that others have found ugly.

                I call this bullshit. I get that taste differ, but beauty and attractiveness is backed by science. Face symetry, body shape, evolution, social consensus in a certain environment. You can see a 10 when someone else will see a 7, but no one will look at the same girl and see a 2. Not even if the people judging are from completely different cultures. Maybe you're confusing ugly with 'meh'.

                [–]IDefyAxioms 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                You can see a 10 when someone else will see a 7, but no one will look at the same girl and see a 2.

                Right, but the issue is that the ex is lower on the scale, not her exact position on it. If a 10 waitress sees the guy with a less attractive ex, the ex could be 1-9 and it wouldn't matter in this case. OP is hot and 10 waitress wants him.

                [–]Windryder 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                I didn't use those numbers. I probably went over the top by saying "horrendously ugly", but the point stands. He thought his girlfriend was hot. He never thought otherwise until other people pointed out to him that she wasn't hot according to them.

                What I'm saying is also backed by science. If what I was saying wasn't true you'd have everyone of a particular group after 1 member of the opposite gender. If attraction worked that way and only that way, the human race would've died out long ago. If you're trying to say you've never found someone unattractive that a friend said was hot, or had a friend say they weren't attracted to someone you found hot, you're either lying or a complete anomaly.

                [–]Jasperbeardly11 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                Places commonly do that man its bizarre you equated it to this situation. You're supposed to card a whole party.

                [–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                At the time, I thought to myself 'They're just jealous she has such a handsome boyfriend'.

                In retrospect, I think they were bitter that a girl that a girl they thought was unattractive was with a man that they wish they could be with, that she had gamed the system, etc.

                Which translates into 'They're just jealous she has such a handsome boyfriend'.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                The idea of a "mismatch" would definitely rustle some jimmies titties in the Female Social Matrix so women would love to take down the impudent woman (just like they take down the sluts) and the man that went with it. But do you think it negatively hit your SMV? Were girls more flirty with you (SMV+) or on the contrary acting like you didn't exist (SMV-)?

                [–]redpillthrowawayyy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                I'd say less flirty SMV-, but not by as much as you'd think.

                It might even have been no change and this is conformation bias.

                I would expect you know, to have been invisible to women as per this thread but maybe because she was just ugly and not fat I got a pass

                [–]Shotgun_Sentinel 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Be honest man, was there a difference in race? This sounds like just some bitter white/black girls getting at you for dating out of your race.

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                  [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (11 children)

                  I have been in an LTR with an Asian girl in Asia that would objectively be a 5 or so as we had a lot in common and had similar lifestyles.

                  Some girl that was working at a cafe I was going to regularly that seemed into me but was super shy started to treat me like a beta by giving me shit tests like asking me to pick up my own coffee when it was ready after seeing us together for example. (needless to say I stopped going there)

                  My theory: Women will presume you have a low self esteem / nothing to offer financially / are beta.

                  [–]darkrood 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                  Dude, you seriously have problem with one cafe girl giving you shit tests, you were bothered so much that you chose to retreat.

                  She is no wrong in her beta assessment.

                  What happen if a barista started giving your attitude in the west, are you just gonna stop going to that Starbucks?!!! What happen to your right as a customer?!!!

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                  This was in Thailand not in the west. The girls working in that cafe were from millionaire families who did barista "work" as their hipster past time until they found some beta bucks from an equally rich family and probably got their families to fund the guy who was running the cafe.

                  This means there is nobody to complain to and amused mastery doesn't fly well with the locals who rightfully suspect that any foreigner who doesn't look like white trash looks down on them as unsophisticated 3rd world people.

                  You basically have no rights in the country and local men look at you with a mix of suspicion, jealously and anger, especially if you're with an Asian girl who is not a hooker.

                  [–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  It's interesting that you're saying that, when I was in Bangkok for a few days, my impression was that the most attractive women there weren't ethnic Thais, but fair-skinned and lithe (i.e. I guess most of them were of Chinese ethnicity).

                  In fact, the only place where I've seen Thai women who were reliably attractive was in one of the red light districts. Other than that, they were quite underwhelming.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  The attractive ones are indeed mostly of Chinese descent or mixed. The ethnic Chinese run virtually all of the economy and thus can obtain the best looking women.

                  Isaan girls tend to be the ugliest (very dark skinned) while most others are short and stubby. It's mainly blue collar British men who have to deal with inbred obese foul mouthed women back home that see them as desirable.

                  [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  sounds like jealousy to me, but if you feel that it tanked her interest in you, I can believe you

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Her interest didn't change, but I think before she saw me with my LTR she felt like she was out of my league and afterwards she felt like she could shit test me like a bossy bitch.

                  Most women are super judgemental and always judging guys they deem attractive.

                  [–]knightmeirl 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  What why. Were you still BP?

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Yes, however I'm fairly flexible towards looks if I feel some connection, which is super rare to me as a most women tend to be devoid of a real personality. She was kind of a unicorn in some aspects but AWALT applied. We had some good times together.

                  [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                  Personally, I don't think I've read anything in red pill theory on the topic of what women think of a man with an ugly girlfriend (and for good cause, since that's a case we don't really promote).

                  What do you personally think when you see a kind of normal looking guy with a fatty on his arm? Are you think about how successful he must be or are you thinking "WTF is wrong with this guy that he needs to date that fatty?".

                  Also as a former beta loser, I have experience with this. I was dating a fatty and then we broke up. The girl I was interested in specifically said to me "I don't think I want to date someone who dated X". It's rare that a woman would actually tell you the real reason for not wanting to date, but I think it was at least a bit honest.

                  [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                  What do you personally think when you see a kind of normal looking guy with a fatty on his arm? Are you think about how successful he must be or are you thinking "WTF is wrong with this guy that he needs to date that fatty?".

                  I exactly think this. But then I am a man, not a woman. Given that what I think and what women think are always so different, particularly in matters of judging the other sex, does what I think really reflect what women think? Get my drift? That's why I am asking for personal anecdotes.

                  Yours is such anecdote so thank you. Except that I put zero value to what rejection excuses women say. I've heard my shares of "we have a great friendship going, let's not ruin it" or "You're a great guy but I'm not looking into dating at the moment" back in my days.

                  [–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (5 children)

                  It's better to pay a hot escort to go out and be seen with.

                  [–]PlusGoody 25 points26 points  (3 children)

                  It's not my taste ... but I kind of admire a high-quality guy happily with a fat girl. It epitomizes DGAF and nothing to prove ... that's a guy who wants what he wants and doesn't let something superficial stand in the way of it. (I sympathize of course with a guy who started off with a skinny girlfriend and ends up unhappily with a fat wife).

                  [–]Willow-girl 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                  I'm reminded of the joke that says marrying a woman is like pulling the ripcord on an inflatable raft!

                  [–]bigcitytruth 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                  Cholesterol and triglyceride counts are literally not superficial.

                  [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                  That's pretty disheartening tbh. I like to think I'm not a shallow guy. I'd genuinely be happy with a nice quiet girl, whos company is enjoyable and I can go places with. My standards for looks are pretty much : don't be obese or deformed, have good teeth, skin and personal hygiene. All pretty much things you can control (minus the deformity). Now I'm very picky about these things. After that though, it's largely down to personality. Don't annoy me, don't be retarded, don't be too much of a slut (I know AWALT but if I'm going to be seen in public with her she better know how to act with some class, even if it's just an act)

                  I've had to turn down good looking girls because they were just too fucking annoying. Talking too much, shit testing constantly, sharing their retarded opinions about things they know nothing about. They were exhausting to be around.

                  On the other hand, I've had shy girls who might not be bombshells, who are too shy to show any interest because they think I'm out of their league. Which means I have to try extra hard to show I'm interested, which I don't like doing because it puts me in a position of weakness.

                  I can't help but feel having sex with sluts whos personalities you hate is very empty and the kind of thing that crushes your humanity.

                  TRP shows you how to do that, if you're attractive it makes it easy, but personally TRP showed me how to make myself more attractive to the opposite sex by getting a better understanding of social dynamics and knowing what alpha and beta traits are, and acting accordingly when the situation calls for it.

                  [–]Willow-girl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  I can't help but feel having sex with sluts whos personalities you hate is very empty and the kind of thing that crushes your humanity.

                  As a woman, I think the flip side of that is the chick who has sex with guys because of their money or status.

                  [–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

                  That's pure RedPill right there. No BS, just the truth.

                  And it makes perfect sense. Conversely, an average man with a smoking hot GF is going to have a high SMV.

                  [–]MOCKxTHExCROSS 13 points14 points  (2 children)

                  TBH I think the same way about these guys.

                  [–]Windryder 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                  I knew a guy who was reasonably attractive. Not a huge catch, but decent enough. I'd peg him roughly a 5 or a 6 on the scale. He was with a woman who was a 2 or less, depending on if you qualify the ones who are retarded or deformed as a 1 or a 0. She was one step above that. Fat, needy, lazy, boring, hairy, stupid. Nobody who knew him got why he was with her. I recall even asking one of his much closer friends "why is he with her? I don't understand, is something wrong with him? There's a way more attractive interesting girl who's single in your group of friends, why not get with her instead?" Nobody had an answer, they were all wondering the same thing and these were guys who'd known him for years.

                  [–]half-spin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                  She is just jealous of the fat chick. Women despise other women, not men. She 's thinking "if her, why not me? let me say something bad about the guy who is not choosing me, me me meeeee"

                  [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (7 children)

                  deleted What is this?

                  [–]the-Real_Slim-Shady 22 points23 points  (3 children)

                  Amen. God forbid a hot girl working on her personality. And at least for me, when you're out of her league the sex is way better. The pure dominance doesn't have to be forced at all, and she goes out of her way to treat me like a king. I haven't commited to one yet, but my experiences are really starting to make me question whether smoking hot chicks are worth all the trouble.

                  [–]dons90 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                  Since we're on the topic of average/fat girls, I thought I'd share this video. Mack hit the nail right on the head with it.

                  [–]creepyinafunway 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  Total aside, but I damn near pissed myself at "more cocks than John Wayne's rifle". Best line I've heard in weeks.

                  [–]dons90 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Worth A Buy is 50% game review, 50% story-telling masterpiece

                  [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                  What is this?

                  [–]xinihil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Bigger women just lack the self-control to become smaller, an important personality trait. I've never seen being bigger make a person nicer. The only situation where that might be the case is when you compare a big girl to another girl currently in the process of losing weight (restrictive diets lead to crankiness)

                  [–]h1pp0h1pp0 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  We do this to white women who date black guys.

                  [–]ursuchafag 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  I don't think this applies in the case of marriage, though - if you're married and she's fat everybody assumes she got fat after you married her.

                  [–]crackalac 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  I've only seen this work in the opposite direction. Had a friend take a big girl out and he was suddenly getting attention because the girls thought he wasn't shallow.

                  [–]bigcitytruth 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                  The hamstering on some of these comments is unreal.

                  A fat woman is low value. I'm not talking about just looks. It's a visual cue on how little self control she has. It's a signifier of an addictive personality. Little regard for taking care of one's self. A low-self-esteem red flag. None of these are good qualities in the slightest.

                  Yes, I admit some ladies can still be hot with a little bit of extra meat on those hips, however if you're going beyond a short-term plate, I guarantee in 10 years she's going to look like a shapeless cow. 20 years, god knows what kind of health ailments will pop up because of her inability to take care of herself.

                  Have some self respect and go for women who at least have some self esteem. YOU can do better!

                  [–]TermsOfColors 9 points10 points  (4 children)

                  I saw a comment from a female user on another site

                  So? All that proves is that you spend too much time on the internet.

                  I can promise you, from a lifetime of experience, if you are a "hot" guy then you are never going to be a "non-entity" to women. There are many other factors that will hurt you worse than being seen with a fat girlfriend, in any case.

                  [–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  "non-entity"

                  I think "non-entity" is a bit of an overstatement. Probably more fair to say that being a hot guy with an ugly girl "hurts" your social standing to some extent.

                  [–]Olga_Schmutzer 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  Indeed.

                  I don't get why this post is so much upvoted.

                  On this sub, people talking about HB4 to HB9 all assume the ranking is subjective and everybody agrees with this (ofcourse, because it is). Isn't "ugly" or "beautiful" the most subjective thing to consider!?

                  The same with some post on asktrp I just read: literally everybody answered "no fat chicks" on some question from a user who apparently wanted to fuck a fat chick... Stupid people giving dumb answers.

                  [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                  I hate the 1-10 scale. You can't even quantify the difference between a 7 and an 8. I've always suggested a -1, 0, +1 scale. -1 ,would not fuck. 0, would fuck but not brag about, or tell people about it. +1, would fuck, and okay with others knowing or telling others.

                  [–]kinklianekoff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  That helps in not pedestalizing them as well.

                  [–]chances_are_ur_a_fag 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                  I see it from two sides.. one is that girls that see a hot guy with a fatty get jealous that a girl with lower smv than them is fucking a hot guy so they talk shit... two, they think like the girl in op post. I think there are two camps and both are real.

                  i used to date a beautiful Turkish girl, at one time she worked as a hostess at a high end restaurant. I was sitting at the bar waiting for her to get out and I was observing people at the place. there was a group of dolled up russian girls leaving the place (I'm russian btw, but don't date russian hoes categorically), they weren't really hot at all just "good from far, far from good" looking type. so they started a convo on the way out with my ex. I watched the whole thing, they were friendly at first, but then abruptly changed attitude and left.

                  after my ex got out I asked her wtf was that all about. she said that once she told them that she's dating a russian guy, their demeanor changed and they quickly bounced. I knew exactly what was up, my ex was way hotter than all those bitches combined and when she pointed to me at the bar, they saw I'm good looking and I'm not with a russian girl so they hated on my ex. a lot of russian dudes won't date russian girls for many many reasons, one of which is they're selfish gold digging egotistical cunts, and also the guys want something else when they come to the states and see all the diversity in women as opposed to just your regular Russian white chick. Even me as a guy was treated differently as soon as I told some Russian girl that I'm dating a girl of another race. They hate that shit.

                  I know that this is kind of the opposite of what op's post is about, but it goes both ways as far as jealousy goes. hot bitches will get jealous of a fat chick if they see her with a hot guy.

                  [–]matthew_wyatt 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                  Doesn't the same thing happen with black men and women?

                  [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  Yeah in America a lot of black men who get with white women face shit from black women for not keeping it in the race or whatever, the issue however, is a lot of African American women show a lot of masculine personality traits and are not very attractive to people because of it. Some are straight up wonderful however the ones that complain about black men dating white women are usually the tsa agent type. Loud. Fat. And hyper aggressive.

                  [–]chances_are_ur_a_fag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  that is out of my expertise range

                  [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (4 children)

                  Why are you taking advice from a woman?

                  I've made many many attractive woman interested in me by openly flirting with women less attractive than they in person

                  [–]AccountNumber22 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                  Different tactic; that's forcing the hot girl to compete for attention on the spot. You're not actively dating those less attractive women you're flirting with.

                  In marketing the goal is to sell at the best prices possible to make the most income in a given market. In some markets a salesman can overvalue their product, and others it's better to undercharge. If they sell food at an upscale farmer's market and they're undercharging everyone there people are going to wonder what's wrong with their produce.

                  If I'm selling myself at an upscale dating market, and they see I've undersold myself for an overweight girl, they're going to wonder what's wrong with me.

                  [–]sir_wankalot_here 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  Why are you taking advice from a woman?

                  That is why he is doing, just like women claiming they like nice guys who are not assholes. Women's advice is always self serving.

                  First thing though that occurs in her head, why is he with fatty instead of me ? If she asks the guy, he can say well fatty sucks better cock then you do and takes it up the ass. That will give her a complex then.

                  Again OP is vague in his terms.

                  [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                  Haha it is so true! Skinny girls are horrible at sucking dick! The prettier the girl, the less enjoyable the blowjob cause 9's and 10's don't have to add that to their offering. I can't say I have enjoyed 99% of blowjobs received, the only time oral only was enough was from this fatty that begged me to let her blow me and I have to say... it was worth it.

                  [–]sir_wankalot_here 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  There is a difference between curvy and fat. Curvy is your 1940s pinup girl or Anna Nichole Smith. Many stick girls might call curvy obese. My theory is curvy girls lime sticking things in their mouths.

                  My experience anyway.

                  [–]BoyWhoreWithASword 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Because women have a herd mentality and preselection is absolutely the strongest aspect of "game".

                  Hence status/fame being king. Status and fame boil down to preselection. A high status or famous man is simply a man who has been preselected on a macro scale.

                  Any man who has approached women on the dancefloor who will look at you to size you up after you start grinding on them only to get permission from her friends before continuing.

                  Based on what her friends say about you she will continue or reject you, often regardless of her own opinion.

                  A man's SMV is directly related to how he makes the woman appear to her social group.

                  [–]snowmusclelaser 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  What if I like fat girls? I would say the sex I liked the most both times was with girls people would say are fat. By far physically I just want a pretty face and fucking metric tons of tits and hair lol.

                  [–]writemeoffgiveuponme 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  Holy shit. You're right. I got this super cute girls number at the county fair this fall. Hooters girl. Anyways, she saw me dancing with a somewhat chubby girl later on that evening and I never got a text back from her. Makes sense. I dropped my SMV to zero just like that.

                  [–]PaulMurrayCbr 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  A woman's world is primarily made up of other women.

                  [–]Gman777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  So true. If you're an average man, and go out with a hot girl, all the other hot girls suddenly want you. Same if you're wearing a wedding ring.

                  Its like a pre-qualification. Mentality is that if you've got something that other hot girl wants/ locked you into marriage for, you must be worth pursuing.

                  [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                  A man see a hot woman and instantly want to fuck her or even make her girlfriend. Looks in a woman are the most important pre-requisite.

                  A woman see a handsome guy and normally she feels a spark of attraction but she doesn't necessary want to fuck him. If this was true every good looking male was having lots of sex (with hot women), and believe me they aren't. For women to fuck a man they must spark her emotions and this can be done with his game, social savyness, non-neediness, masculinity and most important of all of them...social status.

                  Men who fuck, or even worse, date fat/ugly women are broadcasting their low social status. Pre-selection is fucking huge. Even if you are average looks if a lot a women is interesting in you other women will be.

                  I have a friend who is below average height, above average facialy and normal body, however he is very popular and it's insane the options he has. Women approach him, they want to date him, they want to fuck him....it's insane.

                  Don't get me wrong. Looks are important! Try your best to be above average in looks then work hard on your social skills, game and carreer.

                  [–]frys180 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  How tall does he look exactly?

                  [–]aanarchist 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                  the slave mentality is strong tho

                  [–]nevva_Again 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                  When women see a guy with an obese girlfriend, that guy basically becomes a non-entity to them -- even if he's hot. Like, basically he has just disqualified himself for every woman who's seen him with that girlfriend (and all those women's friends, too)

                  When women see a guy with an hot girlfriend, that guy automatically becomes a super-Chad to them -- even if he's ugly.
                  like, instantly he has just qualified himself for every woman who's seen him with that girlfriend (and all those women's friends, too)

                  I guess the reverse is also true, right?

                  [–]throwitdownman 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                  Completely disagree on this post. I know a guy, he's average and uses a girl who is a legit 0 (fat, ugly, bad skin, not intelligent) for sex. They are basically known as FWB.

                  The guys not good looking nor fit, but he is charming, holds conversation, and fun to be around.

                  He has since stopped banging the 0 and is dating a 7 who is in the same year (she knows all about them). She's not exactly pretty, but a clear upgrade. If she had 'disqualified' him she would not date him. She has friends who know about the two as well, if they disqualified him they would not have approved them getting together.

                  [–]Sodomeister 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                  "7... not pretty..." What does your fucking scale go up to?

                  [–]throwitdownman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Intangibles like personality, habits, intelligence are factors

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Not sure if this was said yet but we can't rule out the fact that she's simply hamstering up an excuse for the OP.

                  The fact that she even posted it in the first place means she's jealous of the girl on some level. It doesn't matter how unattractive the girl is..in fact that probably makes the jealousy stronger. She needs to find an excuse as to why she's not as desirable as the fat chick so she posted this in hopes of getting the exact hamster response we're discussing. You can't always take what women say at face value, even on the internet.

                  Just playing devil's advocate here, thoughts?

                  [–]lukesterboi1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Poor dudes with fat fetishes, lol.

                  [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Pretty obvious if you ask me, this is basic human behavior. Also tons of betas end up with overweight girlfriends for obvious reasons.

                  [–]Gator196 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  This is stupid. First of all its offensive to guys who enjoy fat girls, and for fat girls. Sure maybe Shallow girls would be turned off, but who wants to be with a shallow person anyways?

                  As a guy who likes them bigger, first of all bringing a larger girl who you find to be incredibly sexy into public is a fucking power move. By accepting her, and letting her know that yeah I fuck with you and I don't care what anybody thinks, makes you 10 times more attractive to her. It's also intimating to other people who are single to see that level of authentic intimacy between two people. I've brought bigger girls out in public, and yeah if you're a fucking pussy that doesn't make eye contact with people, and look unsure of it sure people are going to judge you. But if you're out in public with your fat gf with a look of confidence on your face, giving off that "I don't give a fuck what anybody else thinks, I enjoy this girl and I'm fucking cool with it and that's all that matters." People are going to notice. People are going to be upset that they don't have somebody willing to show them off like that. So yea maybe intimidated shallow uninteresting girls who only care about Instagram likes won't fuck with you. But it's not about getting with those girls anyways.

                  Having a fat girlfriend doesn't make you undatable, being a pussy about it is what'll make you undatable. I've had beautiful girls approach me after I left my first real gf who her self was nice and thick. It's all a mind set. If you're the type of social beast that is required to be the top 20% of males who get the most girls then you're not going to have any trouble.

                  I say fuck worrying about what other people are going to think about you. That's counterproductive. You limit your options when you do that, and when you're limiting your self you're actually getting less girls.

                  This post is ignorant and wrong, these people don't have any idea what they're talking about. As a real guy who does real nigga shit and actually gets girls and has actually gone through all this, I'm here to say, it's That type of mind set is what is limiting you. This post isn't helping anybody get more girls, it's doing the exact opposite. You should educate your self on topics before speaking on something you don't know. Own your shit, be proud of who you are and the right people are going to come your way. The rest of people who don't fuck with it are nothing but distractions.

                  [–]aazav 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  Rule #1. No fat chicks.

                  Don't date livestock.

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                  [–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (2 children)

                  Those are bargain basement numbers (I respect your honesty). I don't think it applies when you go 6+

                  [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 10 points11 points  (2 children)

                  Thanks for sharing. I'd be keen to have more people here sharing what they think of OP's post bolstered with their own experience.

                  Because what I see in OP's post for now is a woman saying something about relationships dynamics, and everyone here agreeing without verifying because that somehow fits their pre-existing beliefs.

                  I've read nothing in red pill theory that comments on what women think of a man with an ugly girlfriend. If you have relevant anecdotes, please share. If you have thoughts, please develop them.

                  [–]Mon_k 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  The guy above is right, at a certain threshold this plan isn't gonna work. If you're committed to only fucking the upper threshold of women "dating down" isn't the way to go. If your goal is more to just get laid it's an excellent strategy; I did it before finding TRP and had the same experience as above.

                  I might not have been getting with the best looking girls, but I was getting laid consistently and 6+'s were not gonna give me the time of day back then anyway. Having changed social groups a couple times since then, it doesn't seem like that negative stigma followed me for too long.

                  [–]tallwheel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  I find women's accounts of their own attraction to be far more accurate when they are saying unflattering things about women. That way you know she isn't lying or sugarcoating the truth to avoid making team woman look bad.

                  [–]afkb39sdfb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  With a $20 bill in your pocket you can buy a lot of shit at the dollar store. Doesn't mean you're rich.

                  [–]The_Jenazad 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                  Hugh Jackman has a wife who many have said is beneath him and is quite older than him. From what I've seen of him with her, he looks plenty happy.

                  [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  He gets side ass guaranteed.

                  [–]Unripe_rp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  How do you know it's a female and not another red piller?

                  [–]YourRussianUncle 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                  It is far better to be seen with a hot female friend you are not fucking, than with a fat girl you are fucking.

                  I am older than most of you, so this is going back about 15 years :

                  College, I was hooking up with a suite mate of a female friend from HS. I visited them all one weekend, we were in their dorm's lounge, sitting and talking. My fuck-friend got up to get me something from her room. I kept talking to my HS friend ( who was a LARGE girl).

                  There were plenty of girls around who noted me talking to my friend. A couple came up to say hi and were visibly dismissing my presence. The minute my "gf" came back and sat on my lap, many of other attractive girls that were present started speaking to me, seeing if maybe they could catch my attention.

                  MY attention wasn't the point. The point was to divert it from the attractive girl I was ( in their view) fucking.

                  [–]BoyWhoreWithASword 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                  It is far better to be seen with a hot female friend you are not fucking, than with a fat girl you are fucking.

                  No shit. Fat girls are for Netflix and chill only. Never be seen with one in public lol I thought every guy knew this.

                  [–]IdleBread 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  I think some women just assume the ugly girl gives great head.

                  Maybe he will be disqualified for the short term.

                  Nothing wrong with lowering your standards to higher your average during a dry spell.

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                    [–]buddboy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    preselection gone wrong? I definitely know preselection is real. but do we really know how common this anecdote is? Has anyone else observed the phenomenon of girls ignore hot guys because he is seen with an ugly chick?

                    It seems like the girl will see the fat chick as less of a threat/competition and ignore her existence and pursue the hot guy like she didn't exist. Or would she unconsciously think there is something wrong with that guy for being with a fat chick?

                    [–]Red_Pill_Raskol 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    Of course the hotness of the women that the man attracts matters when it comes to preselection.

                    However what's puzzling is that the reverse is not true. I genuinely could not give two fucks if the girl I'm into has dated 5's her whole life and upgrades to me. I legit have no idea what it would feel like to see a woman with a high status man and desire her more for that reason.

                    I can analyze a woman's value in a vacuum and come to my own conclusions. It's weird that women cannot.

                    [–]cazzah123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    No its weird that we dont. In the same way that you can watch someone touch a hot stove and not need to touch it yourself to realize its hot, you should be able to tell that if a really hot chick is with some fucked up dude she probably has some serious issues going on. Its called social learning.

                    [–]2kevin32 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    This doesn't seem real.

                    When women see a guy with an obese girlfriend, that guy basically becomes a non-entity to them -- even if he's hot.

                    This doesn't seem real. I get to an extent that a man's value is raised when he is seen interacting with attractive women (preselection), but "her" statement implies that a woman somehow loses her physical attraction for a man based on the attractiveness of another woman.

                    Roissy discusses the problem of mismatched couples, but I highly doubt a man who's talking to a fatty somehow "becomes a non-entity" if he looks like this, this, or this.

                    [–]johnchapel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    but "her" statement implies that a woman somehow loses her physical attraction for a man based on the attractiveness of another woman.

                    Correct. This also happens when really attractive idiots open their mouth. The physical attraction flys away immediately

                    [–]Willow-girl 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    Whatever happened to seeing a man with a girl (fat or not) and assuming he's already taken and thus off-limits?

                    [–]bisjac 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    the fatty bashing is all over the assumption that hes just using her in some strategy to get other girls or get easier sex.

                    maybe he just likes her and wants to date her. i support any guy's personal woman-conquest.

                    [–]Johndoesmith67 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I do a stand up bit about Demi Lavato being all about body positivity and all bodies are beautiful, except Taylor Swift and all her skinny model friends. Credibility goes out the window.

                    [–]KoneBone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    *am i currently getting my dick wet with fatty, if yes... continue
                    *am i currently getting my dick wet with hypothetical chick who may or may not get my dick wet, if no... go back to one.

                    [–]milugan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    So is to better to be alone then?

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