Red Pill TheoryReminder To Self: Patrice O'Neal's Fisherman Analogy (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by AsianAway

I recently posted about my two year LTR learning experience and the beta-ization that happens during that time as my re-entry post in to this TRP subreddit.

In that post, /u/coolasice007 posted this quote and analogy from the one and only Patrice O'Neal that really resonated with me once more. I remembered reading this years back and was only reminded of it recently. I would like to post this for myself and the rest of you who are looking into an LTR to digest.

You're a sport fisherman.

You catch this fish and like any other sportsman, you show it to your friends. You take a picture, you look at it, and you throw it back in the water.

Any girlfriend, wife, or a significant other is a fish that jumped back onto your boat. This fish will flap around on your boat and run all the other fish away. You tell this fish what your job is but she says, when she flops back on the boat, "Is that all I am to you?"

And as a man, with this dichotomy, you say: "No... no you're the fish for me and I'm not a piece of shit. You're the last fish I wanted to catch." So, now, you're dating.

Next, the fish says, "You love me?" and you reply, "Yes, yes I love you fish." And the fish says, "Well, then, now that you love me... why do you still have your boat? And this pole? And the bait?"

So what she is saying is that she wants you to stop being what you were to get her. It was your job and what made you come together but you give that up, for her, the one and only fish. One day down the road you're with your "unicorn" fish and she just looks at you and says, "You don't even have a boat. Look at that guy over there. He has a boat. You used to be this great fisherman."

Have a good rest of your night, gentlemen.

[–]PissedPajamas 188 points189 points  (15 children)

I wish Patrice could've stuck around to see what the millenials turned dating into. Imagine all the material he'd have on intergender relationships now

[–]1grubek 62 points63 points  (5 children)

Patrice would be ripping PC culture a whole so big it could be seen from outer space. It would have been epic.

Bill Burr attacks PC and he is great, but his style is different. Patrice was more in your face.

[–]QruCiFiX 48 points49 points  (2 children)

Patrice didn't care that his actions had a negative effect on his reputation in the business. He would have had no career at all if it wasn't for him being undeniably one of the most funny and clever comedians to ever live.

One of the golden things he said that i still remember is "I like to be loved or hated - I don't like mediocre. So I'd rather have the entire crowd hate me than to have 90% hate me."

It's based on the principle that love and hate are related emotions.

[–]666mafioso 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's amazing how I came to this same conclusion while going through my initial phases of rp (before I even became aware of the concept and community) and it's basically my mantra. I'd rather be loved or hated but I have failed if I'm just another forgettable somebody. It's a waste of my time and energy, and theirs.

[–]offthebeatmeoff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's this misconception that love and hate are opposites. The opposite of both love and hate would be indifference if you define both love and hate to be deep emotional responses although one is positive and the other negative.

[–]sorad792 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Bill Burr finds a way to deliver the same ideas, but with his style of uninformed logic, he even makes feminists laugh

[–]0verpriced 14 points15 points  (1 child)

to see what the millenials turned dating into.

Millennials are a product of their parents. They were taught to behave the way they do and that their behavior is perfectly normal.

[–]BENDERisGRREAT 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Eh I think the people that are in their thirties now kind of laid the blueprint for millenials, single mother, bitchy all of that shit

[–]maniclurker 19 points20 points  (2 children)

I'm imagining all the dietary advice he ignored.

[–]omega_dawg93 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

some people are born diabetic.

i'm not aware of his condition or under what circumstances he died, but may he RIP while you STFU.

[–]maniclurker 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Calories in, calories out. Always, and forever.

Now brush the cheeto dust off your pannus, and get back to finding someone else to make empty arguments with.

[–]Katavasis 11 points12 points  (2 children)

You really believe that the past generations handled the situation better?You understand that all of the divorce-rape,cheating,women taking the role of women etc comes from the generation of Patrice?The generation of baby boomers? All the stupid shows were the woman is the smart one and the guy is the dumb one,were created by peers and collegues of said comics?

You understand that although Patrice talked the talk,he didn't walk the walk?He was notoriously monogamous and a beta buck.Anyone who was around knows that.I don't want to even mention the condition of his health over the years...

I just want to point out,that we got to stop glorifying the past generation,like they were some kind of gods.Life nowdays is good and we got to give credit were it's due. We only hear the loud minority of millenials(feminists,SJW's),but you don't hear that this generation is going to be the richest one(according to studies) or the one that produces the most millionaires under 30. You will not hear the massive technological,medical and economical leap millenials are responsible for.

In conclusion,the rules always stands true.Your grandparents were not special nor better than your peers,the past wasn't better.

NOW it's the best time to be alive!

[–]PissedPajamas 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm not dismissing this generation as a whole, but from the masculine perspective the older generations had a better grasp on intergender dynamics. This generation has made young millionaires but monetary success doesn't necessarily correlate to masculinity.

The amount of xenoestrogens and harmful chemicals in our environment coupled with trash food has made this generation the wimpiest.

[–]Katavasis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What generation are you talking about? The bay boomers,i described above? Or their parents?The generation that got fixed marriages,worked 12+ hours all their lives,only to get drafted to an unjustified war that broke them.The generation that created the same corrupt system that still stands and raised the aforementioned baby boomers. Masculinity characterizes individuals,not group of people.There is not a more 'masculine' generation.There are masculine men.

[–]Dred 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Go and rewatch elephant in the room. He knew, and he knew he didn't want to stick around. It's very prophetic.

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 96 points97 points  (0 children)

"At times he would encourage people to call out to the stage in order to set up a punchline. "Ladies, how would you keep your man if you lost your vagina?," O'Neal would ask of his audience. When the women would invariably reference oral and anal sex, the comedian would respond, "See, I gave you the chance to talk and you qualified yourself as a series of holes."

Patrice absolutely RULED.

[–]stemgang 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Patrice O'Neal was a fountain of wisdom. He is sorely missed.

[–]Screenp2 49 points50 points  (3 children)

You're fucked up the punchline.. it's the most important part of the whole skit..

she needs to know that you can still catch fish so she acts right!


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[–]QruCiFiX 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You are both wrong it's "So when i come home you need to be able to smell fish on me so that you can act right!"

[–]1Original_Dankster 45 points46 points  (0 children)

I used to gig. Played music on stage. Women loved it.

Then I would get into an LTR, and eventually every broad I was with at various points would start greifing me about time spent practicing - or looking for gigs.

The thing that attracted her to me, could also attract other women, and so she saw that activity as a threat.

Of course being a blue pill fucking idiot at the time I handled it all terribly. But I'm wiser now...

[–]nicksnice 27 points28 points  (4 children)

The anniversary of Patrice's death is on the 29th. I listen to his clips on YouTube as often as possible. He's greatly missed. It's amazing how so much of his philosophy goes hand in hand with trp yet he didn't need this sub to understand it. He learned through experience and mastered it.

[–]PianoIsGod 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Being a man was common knowledge a few decades ago.

[–]Einen777 2 points2 points [recovered]

So its on the same day as International Men's Day. Lets celebrate it right this year with wall to wall Patrice.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Even women found Patrice hilarious as he pierced their bubble with truth just for a second to make them laugh

[–]domoli 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What a genius analogy...it's a shame he's not around for more commentary.

[–]FireSail 2 points3 points  (1 child)

[–]Russman43 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jesus, she molded him into what she wanted and then gets bored with him.

Females like this are just comical when it comes to their mindset and what they THINK they want. That's like me taking a foxbody Mustang with a v6. I swap out the engine to a v8, get the exterior and interior to my liking. I even supercharge the damn car, get it all finished up....

And then I quickly get bored of it, even though it gets me to work on time.

Got it.

[–]Dio_Brando_Joestar 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Why does she want you to stop being what you were to get her?

[–]nakedcanadian1 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Read on brother, this sub is a library of why you do you and don't change for anyone but you.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

This was discussed in another thread before: basically men want to be with a woman who is a slut, but can never commit to her knowing that she wont have the loyalty of a good girl. The desire to be romantically involved with one person directly goes against being with someone who is as insatiable in bed as a slut would be. Similarly women want to be with a man who is capable of being ruthless and has many options because such a person would absolutely have traits of being able to survive, thus a strong pull towards wanting "bad boys". But at the same time, she is risking rearing a child all by herself should such a man chose to impregnate her and then leave. Thus she also desires a man who is willing to stay with her, protect her, and help rear her child (we're speaking from an evolutionary point of view obviously). Thus is the conflict within women to domesticate the players, but once he reaches a threshold of placing het above his own desires, he is no longer seen as sexually attractive

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Short answer is, anxiety and desire for security. Then when's she gets what she thought she wanted, she gets bored and unhappy.

[–]Rocky_Bukkake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i would hate a relationship like this. absolutely ridiculous

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

patrice oniel is the messiah. if you all aren't listening to him you are missing out. his wisdom is years ahead of 99% of the content here.

[–]1StoicCrane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The aim of women/fish is to turn the Fisherman into her catch. All fish are the same. Toss them back once you've had your fun or they'll have fun at your expense.

Catch or be caught. There's no middle ground when it comes to women.