Blue Pill Example"I don't see you as a man," A girl drops the bitter pill on a beta orbiter. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by sigma272

Summary: A girl in my college class tells a desperate neckbeard that she doesn't see him as a male, all the while trying to flirt with me and get my attention.

This post was inspired by a comment from /u/StoicCrane:
"To women Betas are just deformed chicks with dicks. No one wants to smash someone with a deformity much less than women. It's biological."

Setting: this was in a math class in college about 8 years ago. Decently attractive girls are rare in math and engineering classes, and any female human who looks better than a gorilla is flooded with attention.

"D": The girl was an HB6 at best (nice rack and beautiful eyes, but crooked teeth and mild crater face). "Gamer girl".
"NB1": archetypical neckbeard - pale, skinny, wore a black trenchcoat and fedora, heavily into video gaming and anime.
"NB2": reasonably fit nerdy Mexican guy, a little on the short side. Cringeworthy wannabe alpha who was always trying to one-up everyone he met in a "iamverysmart" manner
Me: purple-pilled at best, 6'0 and average build, average attractiveness.

NB1 and NB2 spent the better part of the semester trying to get into D's pants in classic "nice guy" fashion. They'd talk about video games and movies, the guys would try to flirt with her, and she'd subtly but firmly deflect it. She loved the fact that they worshipped her, of course. D was used to getting rabid attention from nerdy guys, so it must have been a bit of a shock when I totally ignored her (I was in a LTR with a much more attractive girl at the time and was determined to stay faithful). NB1 and NB2 always worked with her on group projects and outdid themselves to help her in any way. I was one of the top students in the class and helped them whenever they had trouble with the classwork, but was never part of their group. Eventually, like all women, D got bored of the orbiters and turned her attention to the guy who she couldn't have. Always trying to start conversations, join me for group work, etc. I was polite but businesslike, since I knew the game she was playing and didn't feel like participating. This frustrated her and the boys, who tried even harder to win her over (which made her resent them even more).

Eventually, D became much more overt about her intentions. In front of NB1 and NB2, she'd compliment me on random stuff, even commenting that I was good-looking (in front of the guys who were gunning for her attention). NB1, the skinny trenchoat/fedora guy, eventually cracked.

NB1: "Why don't you talk to me that way?"
D: "I don't see you as a man."
NB1(obviously hurt but trying to play it off): "Well great, now I feel emasculated. You just totally emasculated me. What do you mean?"
D: "I honestly can't imagine you having a penis. I can't think of you in a sexual way."

NB1 was crushed and didn't really talk to me after that. NB2 tried his best after that to one-up me in everything, but I never took the bait and mostly just ignored the three of them. I had a pretty active social life outside of school and didn't need the drama.

Lesson learned: Women don't see orbiters as sexual beings. A beta orbiter is forever doomed to be an asexual emotional tampon in the eyes of his beloved. That's why it's "creepy" when an orbiter pushes for a sexual relationship. It's like finding out your brother has a crush on you. Funny thing is, NB2 (the Mexican guy) was objectively more attractive than me, but my aloofness trumped that and made me the "forbidden fruit".

[–]kappaccount 199 points200 points  (29 children)

I see a lot of salt in the comments here: but she did him a favor, lads. I wish women where this honest with me when I was younger. He just got reality served to him on a silver plate. Whether he'll take it or not is of course up to him, but as someone who used to orbit a lot of girls back in my teens, I'm grateful on his behalf. Hopefully he'll realize his wrongs, stop wasting his time and go lift some.

[–]Willkuer_ 47 points48 points  (5 children)

She could've been honest from the beginning. First showering in beta attraction and then kicking in the balls is not nice. Sure, better than orbiting forever but there's still room for improvement.

[–]kappaccount 63 points64 points  (3 children)

Well, yes, she could. But then she wouldn't have many orbiters around now, would she? Women have orbiters for a reason: and it's not something they think about or realize.

First of all, for validation. It's nice to have a pack of the opposite sex running after you, drooling. Perhaps you can relate?

Second of all, the financial benefit of it. I once knew a girl who'd get free food, free transportation and clothes from her orbiters. She didn't even have to ask.

Last of all, to sort the betas from the alphas. Which is where we come in.


What I'm trying to say is, gathering orbiters for a woman is a natural, evolutionary behavior. It secures her emotionally and financially, and it helps her find the best father for her offspring. You're never going to find a woman that's honest about it, because that's against her basic survival instincts: heck, most women doesn't even know this is what's going on. They just enjoy the ride before they hit the wall. Which is why I'm so surprised at OP's girl for being so honest. You know you're fucked when a woman doesn't even care to have you as an orbiter anymore.

[–]the_calibre_cat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First of all, for validation. It's nice to have a pack of the opposite sex running after you, drooling. Perhaps you can relate?

Of course you can. Guys LOVE sexual validation, probably more than women do and this probably because it is a scarce occurrence to all but the top 20%. Being wanted isn't a woman or man thing, it's a human thing - but women find desire much more easy to obtain from others, because biology.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Sadly it's not that easy for some people. He probably blamed it on things he can't control like his facial attractiveness (can be controlled a bit by lifting/hygiene, but not much) and tried to rationalize that "being himself" was still the right course of action.

I doubt he even internalized the girl's words, and somehow blamed her or society rather than his own shortcomings and actions.

[–]CrashXXL 2 points3 points  (3 children)

If you're ugly, grow a beard.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

That wasn't the point. My point was these guys could be attractive if they just worked on themselves a bit, but oftentimes they will just assume they're ugly and give up completely.

[–]CrashXXL 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That too, my comment was in addition to yours. If you can't fix your face, cover it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh, yeah for sure. Especially if you have no jaw line

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (3 children)

That is how bitches push i'd say poor nice guys over the edge.

Women rarely commit suicide or go on a rampage

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Well it's either the transformation for the better, or suicide, both sound pretty good.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

not for the guy who commits suicide


[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

But I thought he wanted to commit suicide? :^)

[–]Havikz 8 points9 points  (6 children)

How would he even fix it? I've lurked this sub for a long time and from what I can see it boils down to people with assertive personalities trashing on people with submissive or neutral personalities. I can't imagine someone just changing how they behave just by being told to.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (3 children)

If you want to sell something, it's a good first step to have a quality product. So go lift, maybe clean up the way you dress, and work on building yourself into the best you. Then when you go to make a sale (hit on the girl) you will have something good to offer, and it'll come across in your confidence in your sales approach. Have you ever had someone sell you something, where they genuinely believe that their product is awesome? They can't help but show confidence.

So, you know, guys here are pretty big on the "go lift!", since it's one of the easier things to tell another guy in regards to improving his SMV. If you improve yourself, the submissive personality will naturally lessen on its own, since inner confidence will improve.

[–]forgotmyothernames 12 points12 points [recovered]

yea not only is lifting easy, but it contributes to fixing more problems than anything else a man can possibly do. it improves your looks, your health, your confidence, your emotional stability, your mental sharpness...and probably a dozen other things. if all you do is lift and ignore all other red pill advice you will still win in the long run.

[–]the_calibre_cat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dunno, man. That probably hit him hard (it would me), and that will be accompanied by a strong emotional response and, likely, a memory. A significant one, as it pertains to his reproductive value, which one's conscious and unconscious minds - I assure you - give a shit about.

I wouldn't be surprised if a year from today he's ditched the fedora + trenchcoat and maybe even the relentless ragging on pop culture, and experiences more success with women as a result.

I lurk and comment at PPD every now and again, and while I still wouldn't call myself blood red TRP, I was probably getting a little soft due to the TBP exposure over there. Then I had some run-ins with women recently, and it was like TRP truth confirmed, TRP truth confirmed, TRP truth confirmed, in like a fucking week.

AWALT is real, man.

[–]tolerantman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, I don't mind women being trash, but at least be honest about it, don't play games and hide what you truly feel.

[–][deleted] 274 points275 points  (61 children)

It always saddens me to see how men nowadays are playing a game which rules they don't even understand.

[–]StuttererXXX 241 points242 points  (39 children)

It saddens me how some men are raised the wrong way. Imagine being told all the time in your youth how you should be nice and respectable towards all women and then finding out how the world really works. I'm one of those guys.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 114 points115 points  (23 children)

My hardcore feminist sister is about to divorce her BB husband and is raising her son to be the biggest undisciplined beta cuck in the world but gives her daughter preferential treatment. It's heartbreaking. My whole family has attacked her about it but she doesn't understand nor care. I'm barely an alpha but when he's older I'm going to try and help him out with the shit he will undoubtedly end up in.

[–]PinkySlayer 84 points85 points  (10 children)

You better step in and do something. My uncles did just as much to teach me about being a man as my father did, thankfully they were all exemplary role models. You have a duty to your family, don't let that boy grow up to be a lost dickless follower.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 14 points15 points  (9 children)

If they were still living here I would but they have moved country. I expect they will be back in a few years. This boy has had the worst parenting i could have imagined for how smart and well adjusted her mother is. She had a huge part in raising me but has completely dropped the ball with him.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (7 children)

Please do something man, don't be complacent. Just let the kid know you are there for him. Do you really wana be regretful if he ends up in prison or as a bb? Hell, I would offer to raise the kid.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 3 points4 points  (6 children)

I absolutely will man, I tell my sister things to do for him constantly "is he doing X? Have you helped him with Y? Has he stopped Z yet?" But she's apathetic and a narcissist. She's also going through some shit at the moment and just doesn't have time for him. The little sister is a cute stubborn, intelligent manipulative genius. She'll be fine in life.

I will be there for him later in life when he needs me guaranteed. I can't do much for him right now unfortunately other than hassle my sister to get her act together.

[–]Crsd47 3 points3 points [recovered]

Been raised in a narcissistic/borderline environment (and thus having become the worst case of Beta possible) I already saw a pattern before you wrote that she's a narcissist, and reading about your nephew's situation makes me sad. I eventually figured out what happened to me, read a lot about narcissism/psychology before finding the manosphere and TheRedPill. Now I think that every Red Pill beginners' guide should include a bullet point "Figure out whether you were raised by narcissists - if so, don't continue, check out these resources first, truly understand it, then return here".

For starters: http://blogs.psychcentral.com/childhood-neglect/2015/07/a-surprising-cause-of-narcissism/ (don't be misled by the title).

What you could try to do is to help him to understand early in his life that it's not him who's defect, but his mother. Be a witness, provide understanding and emotional support.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I'm still sorting out loads of my own issues but hell i'm light years ahead of my sister, her husband, my brother, his wife, my mother and theyre all 45+.

There is a normal kid in there, it just needs to be brought out of him. The last time i spent some proper time with him, he had a new lego toy. Everyone else usually just reluctantly built them for him and then he looks at it kinda bored. I sat with him while i did my work and forced him to find each piece from the instructions and put it where appropriate, giving only absolute minimal assistance. He hated the 5 hour process and cried and screamed but was so fucking happy at the end that he built it himself. Still to this day talks about it on the phone to me. It makes me really sad his parents can't understand such a simple idea and miss the entire point. His mother, while she refuses to admit it, loves him whining like a little girl about absolutely nothing. She's literally raising him into a girl because she has issues with men and never got her chad like her younger sister.

I'm gonna be there for him when he needs me and i can help him guaranteed.

[–]Platos_slow_brother 11 points12 points  (1 child)

but when he's older I'm going to

It will be too late by then to help much. Start when he is very young. Be an example of a solid, dependable guy in his life.

[–]TaylorWolf 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Age 13-15 is where he will really need you

[–]srtor 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I am about to reply to /u/StuttererXXX then I see your post.

Exactly, most of the betas these days are brought up by single mother. From very young age they are 'brainwashed' to treat women as special snowflake.

In near future, Men with masculinity will as dearth as precious metal. Mark my word.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm not sure man. As 80/20 divide increases and more men go without sex, they'll come to find things like the manosphere, especially as this knowledge becomes more popular. I see people spouting the word 'oneitis' on instagram now.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, but this place is only a repair shop. Optimally, we need this info transmitting organically from father to son.

[–]scamper_22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely try and get in there and help the kid out. My mother was pretty feminist and it totally screws you up. I barely talk to her anymore, because I see what it is all been about.

Even now that I'm married with a kid, her only concerns seems to be that I treat my wife 'right'. I'm going out with some friends, she says 'you shouldn't go out and leave your wife alone'. I just joke, I'll be home around 3. There is so little concern for me or my well being.

I can definitely see how it impacted my relationship with women. I expected so little of them. Basically don't screw me over was my only expectation and I'm surprised I got that far on my own. Always kept the money in check, but beyond that... not much else.

My dad was there, but not really. You could basically consider me raised by a single mom. I can tell you to find out your own mother merely thinks of you as a tool; no different from other women is hurtful. I enjoy the clarity in it now, but at the time, it was devastating. Something tell me, this kid is being raised the same.

To be raised in some mythical manner as to the guy her mother would have wanted to be her slave.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

start now. one of my greatest role models is my uncle(a businessman alpha who played college football). If my uncle told me something, it was gospel in my little head. You have an opportunity to help NOW more than you think.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

when he's older I'm going to try and help him out with the shit he will undoubtedly end up in.

Start as soon as possible if you want to make an actual imprint and not just act as cleanup crew.

[–]untitled_redditor 23 points24 points  (7 children)

So true. I was also misinformed in my youth. Girls were confusing. Now they're an open book. ...But the time I wasted before my eyes were opened :/

[–]sigma272[S] 28 points29 points  (4 children)

In my experience, women are only confusing when you take their words seriously. Once you disregards their words and look only at their actions/attitudes, they become super predictable.

[–]INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Right but when you don't have a real alpha father figure or you've been told that rom coms are how the world works, you get lost

[–]coffee_and_lumber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This applies to both sexes. Words are easy and cheap. Women just have far more of them, and mean far less with their words than most men.

[–]untitled_redditor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. I had to learn this on my own. I was raised to treat men and women the same :/ As if...

[–]sharp7 7 points8 points  (3 children)

It's not about being nice to chicks. Its that our parents arent hard on us enough. My dad was a tough hard working dude, I didn't even have to do many chores and the attitude parents had was "protect kid from hardship by doing it ourselves".

I had to FIGHT THEM constantly to put my self in tough shit to toughen up at all. I had to either lie or argue every time I did risky shit like wrestling.

That's the fucking problem. You don't see OP being not gentlemanly, in fact he is business like which is almost the same. He's just got REAL HARD SHIT to do while the nerds play games when they get home.

[–]iamanenemy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This 100%. I wasn't even allowed to go out with my peers in fucking high school!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yep. Parents are too overprotective these days, at least middle class ones. It yields soft, risk-averse kids.

[–]sharp7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, mine are. Its fucking awful.

[–]absolucion 30 points31 points  (0 children)

They chose to cling blindly onto the worldview that was most comfortable for them ("nice guys eventually finish first") instead of opening their eyes and seeing the world for what it is.

[–]harsha_hs 19 points20 points  (5 children)

it's a pity. But they will know when their unicorn teaches (divorce rapes/false rape cries/pregnant scares) them. We all swallowed the pill like that right?

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

We all swallowed the pill like that right?


And it's a pity indeed. Because these divorces/rape cries/pregnancies are how women sustain themselves, in an almost parasitic manner. I'm really happy not to live in the States, your american dream became a nightmare.

[–]harsha_hs 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Well, you should consider yourself lucky for not learning the female nature by first hand.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Please tell us a bit about where you live and why things are not like that where you live.

[–][deleted] 20 points20 points

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[–]bluedrygrass 11 points12 points  (8 children)

No, she's just playing tic-tac-toe, but against an opponent that has been teached his whole life to play in the opposite way than the one required to win.

[–]cubicpolynomial3 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Pretty good analogy.

By the way, the past tense of teach isn't teached, it's taught.

[–]TheStumblingWolf 17 points18 points  (0 children)

If not for the Red Pill, and a friend of mine, I would still be fumbling around in the dark. Almost everything I didn't understand in my past, I do now. It's great.

[–]logicalthinker1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

To expand that analogy, it would be like a football team running it constantly and getting pissed off when others pass it and crush them. But instead of changing, they double and triple down on their strategy because "it's how the game should be played." Keep thinking that buddy while I throw td bomb after td bomb on your weak ass.

[–]1jb_trp 6 points7 points  (0 children)

...and that's why this sub exists: To teach men the rules of life and sex.

[–]Returnofthemack3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it's partly due to this whole culture that tells people to 'do you'. If 'you' is a dude in a trenchcoat, well....

[–]tio1w 89 points90 points  (14 children)

It's more serious than that.

An orbiter isn't even human. She sees an orbiter as an object.

That's why they don't even need to escalate into sexual territory to be considered creepy.

All they have to do is just assert themselves in any way!

Imagine all of the sudden if your toaster started addressing you and asked for something in return for providing toast.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Orbiters are possessions, not people. They're trophies, evidence of social stature, personal servants, and most importantly bargaining chips used to present themselves as multi-optioned and therefore more of a catch.

And they're choosing to be this way.

[–]allkindanuts 47 points48 points  (6 children)

if my toaster started talking to me I would be very very excited.

[–]melxer 24 points25 points  (2 children)

even less than a toaster then, got it.

[–]AGallopingMonkey 10 points10 points [recovered]

A rock. Not a pet rock either. Just a normal rock.

[–]randarrow 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Stick something in my slot baby.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lol right? just sell the toaster you would get shit tons of money.

[–]juliusstreicher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What if the toaster started to try some kino on you, and making ham handed remarks about how sexy you were?

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Bro if I had a talking toaster I'd give it whatever it wanted before it threatened to lead an appliance rebellion.

[–]SinisterSwindler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would smack my toaster and get a new one.

[–]needsomehelp3211 29 points30 points  (8 children)

Why is every OP 6-ft tall around here?

[–]sigma272[S] 38 points39 points  (2 children)

Brah, I'm actually a 7'2 multimillionaire with a 10" vibrating wang. I just don't want to intimidate you guys too much.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It must be hard to get in doors and stuff man. Have you discussed surgical options?

[–]NaughtyFred 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Easy little dude, I'm a 9' Ultramarine, my armor weighs more than you.

[–]shr3dthegnarbrah 12 points13 points  (3 children)

[–]rp_newdawn 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well by standard deviation that would mean 66% of men are shorter than 6'0"...

[–]madeaccfortrp 4 points5 points  (0 children)

33% is quite common. You also have to consider that 5'10.4"+ can pass for 6' as well. Shoes that lift you 1" would hardly be noticeable.

[–]TaylorWolf 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because it's very easy for them(us) to get female attention and feedback while testing out TRP principles

[–]goldnhorde 61 points62 points  (7 children)

Good Post. Though I think you are offbase when you refer to the orbiters as tampons. tampons are still going to watch D pull down her pants and get a one time insert.

Those guys never will.

I was lucky enough to have a chick break me into a million pieces early in high school and teach me some real practical fundamental lessons. I consider it that I 'got off cheap' when I hear these later in life wake up calls.

There is a movie called the "Last American Virgin". and it think that for guys raised now, who don't get a clear and early picture .... those guys need to see this movie. It is one of those 80s types of movies .... but it is also one that pulls a real life "Grimm" real ending when you think they are telling a fairytale.

in short, boy meets girl ... boy falls for girl ....boy's best friend cockblocks and plays girl ... best friend knocks up girl and runs away .... boy pulls together girls life for her and cleans up entire mess ..... girl kisses and thanks boy ... girl goes right back to boy's best friend the second he is available ... right in front of boy .... movie ends with boy in tears, driving away with unrequited love and flowers ... looking like a baby and a fool.

sure it is just a movie, but I think every high school kid who says they have not been broken should see it and know .... this is more likely than anything else you have in mind.

[–][deleted] 72 points73 points  (1 child)

That's not a movie, it is a national geographic documentary about human mating

[–]landon042 5 points6 points  (0 children)

lol thought that was srs, I've never seen it

[–]JvSOUL 15 points16 points  (1 child)

HOLY SHIT BRAH, just watched this Movie cause I didn't believe it could be extremely Beta as you described it... well it seems it is lmaoo WHAT A CUCK BOIIIIIII

[–]dons90 10 points11 points  (0 children)

welp guess it's movie time today

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I think every dude has gotta go through this. Rsd julien said something about how anything that fucks you up on an emotional level is necessary to grow and all I know is that, I'm glad I got punked by girls years back. That shit set my head straight.

[–]goldnhorde 4 points5 points  (0 children)

it is hard to fight that logic. There are a lot of ways to learn.

But it is too true that pain is the most effective teacher.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If I remember correctly it was a remake of an Israeli film which, in turn, was directly based on events in the life of the director. Talk about a coming of age moment.

Looked it up, the movie is 'Lemon Popsicle' and it is in fact based on the real life of Boaz Davidson, the director.


[–]TheLaughingRhino 59 points59 points [recovered]

To me, the lesson is not AWALT, the lesson is IMHO, when you have the power to hurt someone, don't do it. It's perfectly capable in this life to do the things you like and avoid most of the things you don't like, including people you don't like, without resorting to abject cruelty.

Many women are given a ton of power very fast if they are good looking enough and usually have no accountability on how they wield said power. The truly bizarre thing is the women with very low SMV, you would think that contrast would make most of them more tolerable, but often it creates a base bitterness that lasts for life.

You cannot change the world. You cannot change how other people act. You can choose to engage the world as you wish, the way you find ideal, on your own terms. I see situations like this as a reminder to be vigilant in terms of how I want to engage the world.

[–]Rekcarc_Eci 45 points46 points  (5 children)

Women (in general) don't see this as cruel, though. To them, it's just casual conversation or very mild rebuke at best, because they don't experience oneitis. As such, they truly don't understand how much they crush some BP nice guy's soul when they say shit like this.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The earlier he finds fault in his approach the better his life will end up. Even chads had to learn the hard way, they just did earlier than everyone else.

[–]babybopp 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Majority of women walk around with a gauge full when it comes to abundance. Guys don't get that. She has so many options making a butthurt comment is not anything she can lose sleep over.

[–]rathyAro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do agree that girls tend to not sympathize with men, but I do think they can learn. Keep in mind that men generally condition women not to care by putting up a front of not needing to be cared for (not blaming guys just saying).

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (9 children)

Meh, in the end, no one is getting their penis touched by a sub par chick.

How sad, that a guy can put his hopes so low, and have them crushed so badly. At the end, still not internalizing the gift she gave him, instead nursing his ego

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (8 children)

this right here. classic hypergamy... a soft HB6 is practically throwing commitmentless sex at a higher SMV guy just to gain his attention, while guys at her own SMV already give her attention and commitment without sex.

the sad part is that if her SMV was higher... that she was an HB8 or 9 instead of a soft 6, she wouldn't be trying to get commitment from OP... she'd be throwing herself at HB10s and pushing guys like OP to orbit her. that is until she hits the wall and her SMV falls back down.

[–]rathyAro 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Wouldn't the typical red pill model say that OP would have banged her and then she would have an inflated sense of her value? Given how things are playing out shouldn't she be learning her actual value and eventually lowering her standards to someone below OP but not quite at the level of our 2 main characters.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

OP is in control of himself and was already fucking someone hotter. to be honest, i do the same. every now and then, i get an HB9 plate and the HB7s and HB8s start texting like crazy, and sometimes even calling.

[–]rathyAro 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Yeah I know and that's my point. I find it hard to believe that high value guys go for women below them. Why would you?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

because when I can call up a DTF HB8 and she's ready and over at my place like dominoes pizza, and i don't have to give her any commitment, and i can continue fucking 3-8 other women at the same time, it's hard to argue with that.

[–]rathyAro 0 points1 point  (2 children)

An 8 is low value to you lol? There's a whole 7 other levels of girls who aren't getting the same kind of attention.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

An 8 is low value to you lol?

when you're fucking 9s, kinda. one of my 9s was pushing for commitment. she presented herself as a n-count=1 unicorn. then i found out that she did so much coke and fucked so many guys that she lost track in the triple digits. i dropped her hard.

[–]Drogba006 15 points16 points  (5 children)

I had a situation like this once so I can relate.

Worked at a call center a few years ago, I looked around the floor when I was applying and saw the goldmine. Decided I'd just dress real smart, sweaters, collared shirts, nice slacks etc.

Got attention from a few women there and fucked 2 of them. They hung out with me for the whole time the job was available (temp job).

There was a guy who monitered phones so he was basically above me in position at the job. I had one of the girls show me texts of him calling her "the most beautiful girl in the world" as she laughed and we did our thing.

I rmember her telling me "all I do is smile at him and chat and he let's me leave early". It was an eye opener for me.

[–]polakfury 3 points4 points  (4 children)

So what you are saying is to never give anything easy to women. Make them earn it?

[–]Drogba006 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Well the guy just out and away is telling this girl she's literally the most beautiful girl he's ever laid eyes on as a conversation topic.

And it made me think about how I got with these girls and it was pretty much just looking good and chatting them up without being a retard and saying things like that for no reason.

So yeah I guess don't just throw things like that out there for no reason

[–]polakfury 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Wouldnt the best route be just to treat the girls regularly and if they reciprocate go with it. Its bad enough to go full retard on girls and put them on a pedestal.

[–]Drogba006 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's pretty much what I'm saying. This guy was going ham with the compliments and "nice guy" stuff ie, she's beautiful, she's this and that, letting her leave work early, requesting her on Facebook but not asking her out.

Where I was the opposite, chit chat, build some tension, ask her to hang out directly, blah blah. He was beating around the bush and I just went for it

[–]polakfury 2 points3 points  (0 children)

but not asking her out.

Actions > Words!. Redpill 101

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (1 child)

The most classic thing a woman says to an orbiter is "I see you more like my brother". Which means she finds the idea of having sex with the orbiter to be as appealing as incest. It is equally brutal and amusing to watch it happen to some poor schmuck.

[–]vagbutters 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Some people need to learn hard truths to change themselves. When all you is indulge yourself with little discipline in your life, you get brutalized in one way or another.

[–][deleted] 74 points75 points  (37 children)

D: "I honestly can't imagine you having a penis. I can't think of you in a sexual way."

Did she have aspergers?

Having trouble believing she actually said that.

[–]quicklogaccount 56 points57 points  (17 children)

Nah, that happens. I got "no woman will ever like you" once, from a woman I had NO interest in and with whom I didn't have much contact with, and it got me upset enough to remember it. I suppose if I was in oneitis with her I'd have taken the depression wagon.

[–]Hardbodyfan336 25 points26 points  (11 children)

It's rare when punching another guy is even called for. But just the fact that that option is out there.. keeps things in check a bit. Also most guys that have never been punched are complete betas. Paradoxically being punched is humbling in a good way.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 55 points56 points  (1 child)

Reminds me of that Conan quote - "Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split".

[–]Gawernator 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Similar to "an armed society is a polite society"

[–]quicklogaccount 15 points16 points  (3 children)

I guess it's not even about the punching. Saying this sort of crap lets women feel the thrill of being a bully, and it takes a while before people civilize themselves enough to let go of this thrill.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 23 points24 points  (2 children)

I guess it's both. Kids and adolescents are assholes and bullies if they think they can get away with it, and girls can get away with a lot.

[–]quicklogaccount 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I guess. Anyway, the girl is nerdy and was in college, so I assume she was just starting to experience some sort of power because she had a pussy.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

For every bitch there is a wall

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Yep mutually assured destruction among men. This is why you must naturally be or lift to become a guy that looks like he would not be easy to beat up. The respect from men doubles.

[–]no_face 4 points5 points  (3 children)

a woman I had NO interest in

Looks like she was interested in you and you were unable to read her signals for a long time

[–]quicklogaccount 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Nah. I had very little contact with her, didn't talk a lot. It was more of a "she saw the opportunity to put someone down, she took it" thing.
She was an average looking girl, 5, in an environment where only the 8s and above were approached.

Honestly, thank god I didn't remember that shit until I read this post. I wonder if that might have played a subconscious role in my ridiculous freezing around girls I was interested in during college.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I actually do think you missed the signs bro, unless she's a psychopath, but the latter is pretty unlikely in all fairness.

[–]quicklogaccount 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, whichever the cause might have been - she told a friend she had my best interests and welfare in mind - it's still a rather shitty thing to say.

[–]db1000c 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I had "every girlfriend you ever have will cheat on you because you're boring" from a girl I rejected a few times. Girls will say any shit to hurt you because they know the basically can without consequence.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

when theres no social reprecussions to behaviour, women have no problems engaging in it

[–]iamneptuno 90 points91 points  (7 children)

Have you talked to females at all, sport? It's incredible how much shit you will say when you know for a fact that you can't be punched under any circumstances.

[–]tio1w 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Having trouble believing she actually said that.

I've seen very sociable women be far more blunt than that.

This has to be done with an audience otherwise it's pointless.

[–]smokecheck1976 17 points18 points  (1 child)

She was tiring of his attention and the fact that he wouldn't take a hint. When he left that sort of opening, she swatted him down brutally and called it a day.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Makes sense, good clarification.

[–]dicarlok 8 points9 points  (1 child)

When a guy is relentless, and is told no over and over without getting the hint, and is also impeding her ability to get with the best man in the room...she doesn't want our OP to think they might be together. The public forum + irritation = some nastiness

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea in that context it makes sense.

[–]sigma272[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's why this example is so vivid in my mind. By that time, she was insulted by his attention and shut him down brutally.

[–]1SeemedGood 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Having trouble believing she actually said that.

Women are fundamentally cruel in a way that most men will never be able to understand. Women who are conscious and truthful will admit this in moments of extra lucidity and veracity.

They are also programmed to absolutely crush and destroy weakness in men. If you do not allow it to kill you, it will make you stronger. It's like they're daring you to WTFU and get your manhood going.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're right. In my recent breakup my now ex said things to me/about me that blew my mind with their cruelty, they were specifically designed to destroy me as a man. I spoke to a female friend about it and she said it was 100% deliberate, had no basis in fact and was done purely outta spite-she'd done exactly the same thing.

If you do not allow it to kill you, it will make you stronger.

True. It's a valuable learning experience.

My increduality stems from that fact that, apart from that one circumstance, I've never been spoken to like that by a woman and then for pretty good reason (hence why it took so long to find RP.)

[–]coffee_34 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Hahahaha, so many guys willing to give up their manhood freely.

"You just emasculated me! Wahhhhh"

That's sexy.

[–]TaylorWolf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't imagine using that word in a sentence about myself EVER let alone about someone else even when I was bluepill

[–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really. He was probably expecting her to blow him to make up for hurting his feelings, lol.

[–]2Overkillengine 9 points10 points  (0 children)

And that was the kindest thing she could have said to to him really. Better he get a blunt truth than a pretty lie that leads him on with a faint hope that will never be realized.


Too bad the recipient is probably going to be too busy protecting his ego to wake up and fix himself. Instead he'll waste even more time doubling down on what he has been taught, even though he just got direct feedback that it was not working!

[–]F_Dingo 9 points10 points  (5 children)

"I don't see you as a man."

Straight up ice cold

"I honestly can't imagine you having a penis. I can't think of you in a sexual way."

If the guy doesn't get the hint with a burn like that nothing will.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (4 children)

What does she want him to do with the information? Or is she just speaking her mind?

[–]Grimsterr 2 points3 points  (3 children)

She was probably tired of the constant orbiting and the term was likely coming to an end so she was trying to shut him down so he wouldn't creep on her after she was done using him to get through the class.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So it's based entirely on self interest. Fuck sake.

[–]Grimsterr 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You must be new around here, welcome.

Yes, it's pretty much always about self interest. And I'm not talking about just women here, you need to be all about your own self interest, as well.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not even new. Clearly i'm just slipping. Or maybe i can't fathom the lack of boundaries of the guys in question.

[–]Mick-Q-1188 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I recently saw a 23 year woman who I was fucking, keep her ex as an orbiter in order to get lifts, the trash took out, and basic emotional tampon duties.

The coldness of it all shook me to the core, the guy was declaring his undying love, she used false hope against him in order to get these things.

[–]AnjaJutta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I live with a 60 year old woman who used her husband (they were in seperation), who she has 4 kids with, to give her lifts, fix her car, buy her groceries and much more, with the hope that she would move back in the house with him. Meanwhile, she already had a dude lined up, and when the new dude proposed she filed divorce within a week and is getting married this month. At least her children do not talk to her anymore, though it's fun to see her hamster spinning at the speed of light.

[–]Docbear64 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They don't have to say it as nice guys , betas, or white knights you know it you just want to believe that she doesn't know what she wants and if you just show her how good of a guy you are she will fawn over and adore you .

I had several experiences with women I was attracted to and that was my line of thinking , I was going to " nice" my way into them wanting me . I didn't know what sexual tension was, I had no clue where to even begin with game, and I just assumed all women wanted a sweet guy who would lavish them with attention and praise . wrong ...wrong... and wrong .

You can only live in the fantasy for so long at some point after all the crying on your shoulder, listening to her talk your ear off about nothing , and then finally mustering up the courage to ask her to maybe go to a movie and to hear " I don't want to ruin what we have" . The subtext is absolutely there , she doesn't want your dick , and when she says " men suck" and then lays on your shoulder as you gently pat her back it's safe to assume that you don't register as a man in her book .

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Wow man, do people REALLY wear fedoras!?

I just thought that was some weird joke. lol

[–]juliusstreicher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Could YOU stomach even joking about something like that???? AND, a fucking trenchcoat????

[–]pandaholic23 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Your story reminded me of this song by Flight Facilites. "Why can't you want me like the other boys do, they stare at me while I stare at you".

Spilling some rep pill truth in the lyrics.


[–]1StoicCrane 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I literally just watched this yesterday. Though it's a bit frilly there's RP truth in it.

[–]FlakF 2 points3 points  (3 children)

How old were you and the other people in that story?

[–]OBasileus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In the moment, "Great, now I feel emascualated" wasn't a bad response on his part, so good on him.

Maybe if he tried he could get attractive and put that wit to good use.

[–]ChristianRedpill 3 points3 points [recovered]

The thing I find so mystifying about these stories is why women want to do such a thing as have beta orbiters. I will admit my ego is stroked whenever a beautiful young girl flips her hair when she sees me, or when some hot chick sends me IOIs. But why on earth would any man want to hang around cringe worthy fatsos or ugly hags just because they validate him? And if that's the case with men, why not with women? What am I missing here?

[–]cashmoney_x 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I don't believe the conversation was really that direct.

[–]GreekLobsta 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There's some mean people out there. And the groveling, beta orbiters who will do anything for a piece of the cake actually bring out the worst in a lot of people. It's hard to have respect for that, and if someone doesn't respect you, or worse, despises you for being pathetic, they'll say anything on their mind to you. Not saying you're wrong but I've seen similar instances occur.

[–]xenoage17 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Do you think there is any possibility for NB 1and2 to turn around things? Becuz i was in one of that situation and eventually came to TRP

[–]PaulAJK 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Of course they can turn it round, most of us here have been one of them. It's just they'll find it difficult with that girl in particular, as she has them tagged as betas, so they'll have to work much harder to convince her than they would another girl.

[–]h1pp0h1pp0 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Hispanic guy will turn around. Trenchcoat will go Columbine.

[–]PaulAJK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Trenchcoat will go ful neckbeard SJW "ally", debating Christians on reddit for hours on end, and liking the pictures of fat girls on social media.

[–]Jaghiro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

NB1 was crushed and didn't really talk to me after that. NB2 tried his best after that to one-up me in everything, but I never took the bait and mostly just ignored the three of them. I had a pretty active social life outside of school and didn't need the drama.

While reading, I imagined some crashed Vietnam helicopter, soldiers trying the help people and rescue the last pieces that are still worth to be rescued, nice job.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

everyone here blaming the woman for taking the attention but NO ONE here is blaming the men (or lack of men) in that young mans life. If a male figure in his life would have raised him properly, or pulled him aside he could have been shown things to ease his reality. Instead he got served with some cognitive dissonance, some perspective shattering stuff. The problem with being hit in the face with the reality is that it is hard to digest. He probably will not get the message because it is too much of an assault on his reality, he will deflect it, or blame others because to own it entirely is too much at once. He needs a male role model to pull him aside and help him slowly. Basically, he wasn't raised right and now we have a potential shooter on our hands. All he needs is some physicality, a shower, some clothes and a year of socializing outside of the lonely world he inhabits.

[–]Air4ce1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Damn just imagine that..."I don't even see you as a man". I'm working on not taking external influences but I swear I'd hit PRs in the gym if I heard that right now. You're not even a man.....bruh. She'd catch these hands and I wouldn't even be sorry.

[–]MechanicalFaptitude 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This whole story comes off as bull shit. Badly written bull shit. But...if it helps awaken a young bluepiller...I'm all for it.

[–]Dustin_Bromain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I've seen this "coup de grace" moment many times; especially in my college years. Personally, I've never seen a beta recover from a moment like that. To them, it's as if the universe itself had spat in their face and kicked them in the balls. Their whole world comes crashing down around them. Depression and ego-saving behavior soon follows after the incident. What brings them out of the aforementioned effects is usually the whimsical requests of some other HB looking for their homework to be done for free. It's a vicious cycle, really.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately I've seen and read this play out before. Friendzoned oribter can't take it anymore and decides to make his move and gets froggy enough to jump. The girl gets backed into a corner and lets him have it brutally with both barrels.

[–]1StoicCrane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, well! Looks like I'm moving up in the world.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I always see lots of guys on the red pill empathizing with people like NB1 and NB2.. They were taught by their mom to "always be respectful toward women, be a nice guy, don't be a jerk!" etc.. and they obeyed.. Maybe their grandmas said the same thing to them.

But think about it for a second.. Didn't you even disobey your parents? My mom and grandma hammered the same thing into my moldable mind as a young boy but I still teased girls in school, occasionally got sent to the principal/got detention, or generally just disobeyed my parents.

Even as a young kid, it's clear as day girls don't like boys who are just plain "nice". They like boys who are funny, play sports, not fat/disgusting/unkempt who don't smell like shit. They like guys who know how to be a leader whether that be leading a street gang or leading the football team. Even in cartoons you would normally see the hot girl with the quarterback of the high school football team while the nerds just stood there with their hands in their pockets and shoulders slouched.

I think the neck beard nice guy is kind of synonymous to the socialist. The socialist understands the rules of capitalism, but doesn't want to play them for the sake of not stepping on anyone's toes.. So he wants to change the whole game so everyone gets an "equal shot" and no toes have to be stepped on. That's the way it should be right guys?! EQUALITY! PEACE! "Equality" is practically on par with "Don't be shallow!" and the new rule is simply "just be a nice guy!"

Well, who the hell gave you.. Mr. Neckbeard the authority of rewriting how the game is played? The guys who are getting the chicks don't give a fuck about the nice guy schtick and neither do the women you're trying to "court".

[–]AnjaJutta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are all different dice throws of the same DNA. We all have our strengths and flaws.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"I honestly can't imagine you having a penis. I can't think of you in a sexual way."

Wow, that is pretty ice cold.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many women lack the basic qualities of humanity themselves- tending more towards behavior as a virus or transmissible pathogen with wasted sentient capacity. It is pitiable. There are many beta-aligned men that I see with the potential and depth of ambition to become something more, but not so much with females of this quality.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

really? surprised she'd be aware of let alone tell the truth

[–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's funny that Numbnuts 1 & 2 started to diss the OP, rather than emulate him.

In my salad days, after seeing that I was striking out so often, I learned that I could have success when I would look at what the Alphas were doing, and copying that. When I was being myself, I usually ended up at home with Letterman.

[–]RealRational 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"NB2 objectively more attractive", You're forgetting that girls have all these baseless insane rules about is and isn't a "sexual option". Lots of girls would disqualify him just for being Mexican.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

D: "I honestly can't imagine you having a penis. I can't think of you in a sexual way."

Cue the Wasted sound effect from GTA.

To say that to someone's face is either flat out savage, or he's been slobbering over her for months and this built up.

[–]aherne18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

D: "I honestly can't imagine you having a penis. I can't think of you in a sexual way."

There are orbiters and orbiters. Women will treat them respective to their objective SMV (physical attractiveness): those with good looks are actually nice to keep around, but this guy must be really repulsive to merit that statement.

What can you do in such a situation? First, don't create it: don't invest energy where you shouldn't. If you fail to do so, EXPECT spiteful behavior and remarks such as above.

[–]1StuttBuffer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is good reason for this phenomenon. Paleolithic women who mated with fedoras had offspring who died horrible deaths.

[–]mill58 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what was the right approach for NB1 and NB2 in this case? since the beginning just be clear about their intentions with D and is they get rejected just move on and aim for another girl? I just want to be clear about the best that they could have done in this case scenario.

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