The pussy responses to the "Warlord" post show that you don't believe in yourselves and that is the problem (self.TheRedPill)

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[–]TissueDealer 405 points406 points  (50 children)


What is this?

[–]failingtheturingtest 170 points171 points  (4 children)

Fuck you too, and thanks for the reminder.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Hey , fuck you too! (You're welcome!)

[–]manonthemoon14 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Fuck all of ya'll! (Thanks tho)

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 46 points47 points  (2 children)

What most people think is high risk in terms of women is usually low risk and vice versa. Going the "long game" to not fuck it up only gives you more opportunities to fuck up. Going all in either makes you win or hurts your ego slightly, which isn't even really a loss.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

How have I never heard it this way before?

[–]Vladz0r 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe you haven't read some of the recommended books yet. Attracting Women Through Honesty brought this idea home for me. Also, one of the habits from the 7 Habits of Highly Successful People - "Think Win-Win." There's a cool video (series?) on the 7 Habits on YouTube by an awesome YouTuber who abridges self-help books.

[–]Budfox_92 16 points17 points  (1 child)

A friend of mine I got to know last year put it nicely to me. "she should be grateful to me for letting her suck my dick, it's her pleasure not mine"

That's really what women are looking for, a confident man who is not scared and know's what he wants.

[–]2MikeHaines 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Fucking beautiful. Saved for future use.

[–]Magnum256[🍰] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Ya the zero chance versus non-zero chance is what it all comes down to.

As you improve yourself that non-zero chance continued to grow.

I've seen some lazy, sad, chubby dudes get with extremely hot women just because they had the confidence to talk to them and talked to them at the cosmically right time. Not the norm obviously but just by initiating there is always a chance.

It doesn't take much to set yourself apart from the herd, that's why so many emphasize the importance of lifting, just by lifting you're generally going to be physically more appealing to women than men that don't lift, of which there are many. Then when you add on dressing well, maintaining good hygiene, and pursuing personal success or adventure, each step of the way you're setting yourself further and further apart from the herd and increasing your attraction value.

[–]TissueDealer 4 points5 points  (0 children)


What is this?

[–]Fartfacethrowaway 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Fuck yes I'm finally agreeing with you guys again after awhile of fucking thinking there's too many pussies here

[–]1mojo_juju 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Just put a fucking paper bag over her head. Draw Model Melanie's face on it. Done.

Bag, Draw, Pump, Dump.

[–]commanderchobo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i prefer the term dickless faggot

[–]LazyMagus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you say 'Model Melanie' I hope you were meaning a made-up example and not what Google throws up when you search for 'model Melanie': Melanie Gaydos

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Lol nice fake bracing for downvotes

[–]longschlong12 23 points24 points  (0 children)

What I took from that post was the same as any other similar post. You are the fucking prize, the mentality of thinking that every woman wants to fuck you increases your confidence level too such highs that your frame can't be broken.

I have seen ugly/average looking dudes pull babes beyond their 'league' because they had rock hard frame and did not take shit from anyone.

[–]graffix13 78 points79 points  (1 child)

If you can blame your lack of success on something that can't be changed, then you never have to be successful.


Be confident and don't give a fuck. That's it.

Don't be a faggot.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (9 children)

A plea for irrational confidence

no reason not to have one

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Dude, I piss out a quart of increasingly distilled rational confidence every morning. If I could bottle it and sell it, I would.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In a funny case of irony, when I posted to MRP, the first comment was pointing out that Ellis was shot for his confidence lol

[–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Irrational confidence can work for a pump and dump but one should build skills and then have a rational confidence in your capabilities. IMHO that is a better long term strategy.

[–]SetConsumes 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Even better is a solid foundation of rational confidence with as much irrational confidence built on top as possible.

[–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What many guys explain as being "irrational confidence" doesn't make sense.

My term is "unselfconscious" which is a combination of confidence and simply not giving a fuck. It is irrational in the sense that I will hit on 8s and 9s with no objective prospect of success. . .and yet I succeed.

There is what is called "short man syndrome". There is a stark difference between the 5'5" who feels he has something to prove and the same guy who just owns it. Both are two different connotations of "confidence" but the former is dysfunctional. However, this is not really about short guys but about any guy.

If you are out to prove something or think you are hot shit, you probably aren't.

[–]SetConsumes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unselfconscious is its own thing.

When I think of irrational self confidence, it's thinking I'm awesome by virtue of being myself and what I do is awesome by virtue of me doing it.

Internalizing that self loop is very powerful, especially if you deify yourself.

Which naturally makes someone unselfconscious, what does a God need to be selfconscious about?

The catch is to still analyze your behavior and situations objectively and not let the skewed image of yourself blind or mislead you.

[–]joh2141 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is golden and explains 99% of my research paper and essays from high school to college. Bunch of kids also used to pay me $100 for research paper and $50 for regular non-format essays. I never read half those things. The trick was a certain way of talking that makes the audience believe you are speaking the truth.

Ever hear someone talk a lot of shit (not shit talking, just pull facts that are probably false out of their ass), but their social skills are so good they convince you that they are correct even though it's blatantly wrong? And they do it without even actually convincing you.

[–]rocacu 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Dude that post was fucking awesome they should give the OP a point or something like that, it was complete and full of sense, It is helping me already.

[–]Guidebookers 37 points38 points  (6 children)

It starts with IDGAF. I'm not the best looking guy. IDGAF. I'm too tired to lift but I will anyway because IDGAF. She rejected me. IDGAF.

Life is a series of hurdles and obstacles trying to delay or prevent you from self actualization and success. Stop even thinking of obstacles in your life and only focus on what will make you a better man. And seriously, do not give any fucks, ever.

[–]Mr_Grateful 8 points8 points [recovered]

"Life is a series of hurdles" I kick them down, if I can't jump them. This has been my moto for as long as I can remember, even before TRP. TRP is a tool box.

[–]BluestBlackBalls 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Praxeology not a Philosophy

This maxim has disappeared.

[–]friendsafariguy11 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don't give a fuck what other people think.

Give a fuck about what you think.

[–]joh2141 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And just FYI guys, not giving any fucks does not mean having 0 ambitions and passion. Developing ambitions, goals (and actually attempting to accomplish them), and good hobbies or outlets for yourself is healthy. Also can help develop/boost your self-esteem which naturally in turn boost your confidence in talking with other people as well.

If you're the IDGAF lazy slob who just sits there and plays XBOX all day, then that's a problem.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

took me a bit of time to get used to this way of thinking, which might be more dominant in the US, not sure. If I ever go back to Europe I'm wondering how this will be adaptable. But god damn how cool it is to give zero flying fucks per day (the ffpd should be some sort of unit).

[–]xmido 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I think its a ying yang situation. Girls like confidence. But dressing well and lifting builds confidence, and makes you more attractive which boosts confidence. So you need both, dress well and get stronger. Be the best version of you and confidence will come naturally.

[–]hawkeaglejesus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I think there is a socially allowed confidence threshold that is based off your SMV. That's why women want Chad to be bold, but if a short/fat fuck comes up to them and tries to act smooth, it's creepy. Why? Because the ugly guy exceeded how confident people expect him to be.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 17 points17 points [recovered]

Why does this have to be an all-or-nothing issue? Good looks help, good grooming helps, high social status helps, lots of confidence helps (a bare minimum of confidence is essential), game and understanding of female shit tests helps. Everything makes up a piece of your SMV.

Take the same pudgy fat dude that gets laid with confidence and game alone, put him in a gym and a diet for a year, and I guarantee he'll have an even easier time getting laid once he's in good shape.

Every aspect of your life adds or subtracts from your SMV. There is not one single answer like "doctors hate this one simple trick that will always get you laid", which is why we talk about all of the ways to increase your SMV.

[–]circlhat 15 points16 points  (5 children)

For most men their problem is understanding women, even if they are super hot, beta behaviors will kill attraction

[–]OhAndOneMoreThing 8 points9 points  (4 children)

THIS can't be stated enough. I have a friend that was a 6'2 blonde haired, blue eyed starting pitcher that won back to back state championships and went pro out of high school. I watched this guy walk into rooms where every girl there immediately started to think about fucking the shit out of him. Yet, HE ALMOST NEVER SEALED THE DEAL. When he did, it was in spite of himself, cause he happened to be so damn attractive. He never learned what to say or how to act, because he never had to. This hampered him greatly once he was in the real world.

NEVER underestimate what confidence and true "inner" game bring to the table. Never underestimate that the most fucked up stuff you suffer through has the potential to create the very characteristics you will need to thrive in life.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

How many people on this board fit that description in both appearance and character?

Post is bullshit.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I dont think I look bad, regular 6'3 210+ lbs lean and all, if I send some selfie the girl gets wet, I just got approached for the first time in the gym this morning. My game has always been piss poor because of what the guy above describes. I'd fuck a lot of one night stands (even better using Tinder), but would be a damn retard IRL or with very hot girls. Re-thinking the whole thing through some TRP stuff helped incredibly.

We might not be all coming from the same place but we all have a bunch to learn

[–]TurboApe 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's not his point at all

[–]OhAndOneMoreThing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sheesh. I'm glad someone understood what I was saying.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Finally someone who gets it.

It feels like a village of fools arguing over the question of whether vegetables or meat are the most important part of a balanced diet, while the wise man is quietly eating his meal.

People. Spend more time improving your Looks AND your Game, and less on arguing online which one is the most important.

[–]PedophilePriest 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Thank you for this. I've stopped visiting TRP regularly over the last 9 months or so. The content just wasn't speaking to me anymore whereas 18-24 months ago I would read at least one solid post every single day.

So yesterday I drop in for a check after haven't been here in a week's and I find this amazing post right at the top. Something that spoke to me, something that inspired me, that brought a smile to my face and caused me to think and alter my own perspective. I immediately saved it to reread later and then started looking through the comments...my god, It was like watching a large group of children being told Santa is lie. Straight up denial with nothing to contribute.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Your post makes no sense since 80% of the comments were full of gushing praise for the said post.

Care to explain yourself?

[–]PraisethegodsofRage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't run a tally on the comments, but there was a large swathe of them that vehemently rejected the premise of the post. That premise is distilled TRP so then people are left wondering why people still don't get it.

[–]king_of_red_alphas 33 points34 points  (29 children)

IMO - A pussy is somebody who has to tell themselves comfy stories about how their frame and game are gonna allow them to bang 10/10 models when they are a 5'4 Indian dude named Deepak.

Just. Fucking. Stop.

For a non-celebrity, Looks are THE BIGGEST barrier to entry to banging high SMV girls. It's that simple.

That doesn't mean it's impossible. It doesn't mean don't try. It means acknowledge the fucking truth instead of hamstering away your bad fee fee's cause life isn't fair and you have to work 5x as hard for 1/10th the success of a model looking dude with passable social skills.

Everybody should simply stop and ask themselves, for all this shit about how game overcomes all, how many legit fucked up looking guys do you know / have you know who can slay pussy on demand?

I've been on this earth for over 40 years and I'm telling you the stories of the fat / ugly pussy slayer is a fucking fairytale. It doesn't happen in real life no matter how much you want it to.

What does happen is some pathetic try hard who watch Tyler Durden's staged videos starts running around a club wearing stupid shit frantically talking to any chick that will listen and putting on his clown show. Once in a while he'll strike gold but that is simply the exception that proves the rule.

And the anecdotes of the Chad you know who can't close? There's an easy explanation for that - it is extremely easy to turn a YES into a NO. Even for a good looking Chad. Unless he has extreme status, good looks alone won't keep the pussy wet if you act like a sperg. But that is a totally different issue.

I'll finish this by saying, the overall message of these posts - err on the side of boldness, assume the sale, feel good about yourself, don't get rattled by beauty - ALL of that stuff is very valid. But underselling the common sense fact that girls get creeped out when they sense they are being gamed by ugly / low status dudes is a disservice.

[–]joh2141 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I don't know if Deepak would count as a pussy, just some guy who can't seem to accept reality. Some can interpret that as saying "Wow Deepak, you are wading through shit way out of your league and staying firm. That's admirable." Because while Deepak is a little fuckboy who got dealt the short end of the stick in genetics and in the demographic he's in thinks he's a joke, he's still going out there/still has a frame that is seemingly unbreakable/and is still taking risks.

Isn't that more ballsy and more RP than people who sit there and think "Well I'm just going to get rejected because I'm like this, so I'm just gonna play some more Call of Duty and jerk off to vanilla missionary porn. I do understand that you're a pussy if you can't accept that you have flaws or were dealt the short end of the stick. But letting that cripple you is a more cuck attitude than doing something about it. Over time Dapeek might land that one starved for attention chick who got humiliated by some other guy and wants to prove to herself she's worth it... though most guys would tell him to check his reality scope and understand where he truly lies on the sex market value.

[–]king_of_red_alphas 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Lol. So you're telling Deepak to dumpster dive in sub-freezing temperatures to try to find a half eaten steak thrown out by the five star restaurant.

Chad is inside that restaurant being offered a complimentary one by the manager.

I realize that's hyperbole, but the point is when we have these feel-good posts we need to understand that game is COMPLETELY different for guys based on their physical SMV.

Guys like Deepak need to play the long game and come in under the radar. They can't be the aggressive creep trying to "escalate kino" at the first opportunity or creepily holding eye contact too long.

They need to demonstrate smoothness and emotional / social intelligence above all and if anything be LESS aggressive.

[–]joh2141 1 point2 points  (2 children)

No one is saying that. You need to read. You make it sound like Deepak should just give up and not even try in which case he's definitely NOT going to get shit. You're calling him a pussy when he's overcome his fear of rejection and putting himself out there. That's kind of opposite of what he's actually doing. Not that I think it's good idea for him to creep in but that's not what a pussy means. He's just got an unrealistic measure of what he's going to able to attract and will probably just bang whatever he can get. But again he's not going to get that "whatever he can get" without trying.

[–]king_of_red_alphas 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So you're saying "lie to yourself". I thought this is TRP. When women do this, we call it "Hamstering"

[–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again you have to read... No one said lie to yourself. Where are you getting all this shit? You putting a lot of words in people's mouths.

[–]hot_cross_memes 5 points5 points [recovered]

5'4 Indian dude named Deepak.

whats wrong with a guy who happens to be 5'4", Indian and named Deepak? Does he fit your requirement of "not fit to be human" list?

[–]slay_it_forward 17 points18 points  (3 children)

He doesn't fit the mating criteria for most western wonen.

[–]hot_cross_memes 1 points1 points [recovered]

As opposed to a 5'4" white/ black/yellow guy?

[–]slay_it_forward 0 points1 point  (0 children)

5'4 of any race is gonna struggle but an Indian will have it the worst. It doesn't make him less of a human but it does make him less fuckable. That's how we got stronger as a species, women selecting for the best genes. You can cry about reality all day but it won't change it.

[–]king_of_red_alphas 23 points24 points  (4 children)

Nothing is wrong with him whatsoever. But that guy is near the bottom of the SMV food chain, in the US anyway.

Telling that guy he just needs to "out game" Chas the 6'3, blue eyed lacrosse player is hamstering is the point.

[–]Tako_400 0 points0 points [recovered]

I don't think you need to "out game" anyone who plays lacrosse.

[–]joh2141 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Lacrosse players are generally wealthy and have a alpha attitude because they've nearly gotten everything they want in life without much struggle.

Played both football and lacrosse. In lacrosse, even short white kids had infinite confidence. Where'd that come from? Parents raised em to be straight shooters and were wealthy. Those kids got everything they wanted when they wanted and they seek to take what they want when they want it with little regards to other people.

Most of my former lacrosse teammates are currently having more success with women than my fellow football teammates primarily because they are making a lot more money but also because that money/status is boosting their confidence as well as their own perception of their own SMV. Also a lot of football players who stop playing football develop dad-bods and are having difficulty finding jobs which also play into hurting their confidence/self-esteem.

But put a tall white guy with a good face from the lacrosse team, he will 100% out-game a guy from the football team. Our school though... our entire lacrosse team was either football or former football players and we were #10 in the country while our football team sucked dick. So there was also the fame perception going around.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What do you consider short ?Personally i think it's anyone below 5'7

[–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To me below 5'8 is a bit too short. But you had kids around 5'6 and SOME 5'4. I myself stood at 6' and played defensive midfield.

[–]arfl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is what's wrong with him


[–]NakedAndBehindYou 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Does he fit your requirement of "not fit to be human" list?

No, he fits the "not getting my pussy wet" list of most women.

[–]hot_cross_memes 3 points3 points [recovered]

But other 5'4" guys are making chicks gush fountains from their pussy right, right?

[–]LethalShade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bro, you're letting your hamster run wild. Lets not get PC offended here, Indians have it harder on the western dating market. That's a fact. Men should be about facts over feelings.

If you're indian, who gives a fuck. Still go out and crush it like the pimp you are, own your reality eitherway. It'll be harder but why would you want it easy anyway?

[–]___Jamie___ 0 points1 point  (4 children)

"Exception that proves the rule" - wtf are you talking about? You have to demonstrate the existance of the rule before it is even considered an exception, not the other way around. Using old and badly translated latin proverbs doesn't help your case.

[–]king_of_red_alphas 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Lol. Chad gets model pussy 100x more than Deepak gets a 5.

That's the rule.

Deepak stumbling in to banging a model is the exception.

[–]___Jamie___ -1 points0 points  (2 children)

So if there wasn't an exception, would the rule not exist then?

[–]king_of_red_alphas 0 points1 point  (1 child)

[–]___Jamie___ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So the fact that Deepak has sex with a hot woman proves that there is a rule saying he can't have sex with hot women? Logic doesn't work like that mate.

[–]kellykebab 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That post was easily sidebar-worthy and yet so many whiners and trolls came out of the woodwork.

Even if you believe that size and looks account for a lot in attraction, holding frame is the gold standard of social interaction. You can feel it even when speaking with male acquaintances for 5 minutes. When you hold frame, they respect and like you. When you don't, they move on. That shit is 100% mandatory.

[–]mehdreamer 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Put a 6''4 viking type guy, blue eyes, muscles, square jaw, you name it.

Then put a 5'4 "generic" brown guy , skinny fat but VERY confident, the king of irrationally confident..

Put a sample of 1000 girls et let the boyz approache.

999 girl will say NO to the brownie and will go viking all the way.

Now, for an ugly dude who relies on his confidence...is it worth it to approach 1000 times and get laid only once?

I get you example of the "zero chance" vs "almost zero chance". In theory, you are right.

But in real life...it means a lot of cold approaches and energy wasted for a very tiny chance of getting a pussy.. If I were ugly..I would just focus on making money and enjoy life. No pua BULLSHIT or confidence or frame will help you.

Frame/PUA/confidence are good ONLY for average looking guys and good looking guys. Exceptional exceptions can happen...but you know, you can win the lottery too..some did.

You guys who think Frame/confidence can trump look..you really should watch these 3 videos

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if it's a 5'10 guy with chiseled jaw,muscles and confidence ?

[–]RedDeadCred 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They both matter, it's just that for an incel he needs to have good looks to establish confidence. The idea that you can just 'decide' to set aside a lifetime of negative experiences is snake oil. Most of our actions are decided unconciously, but pua sales men that make money love to sell incels on the idea that they can conciously change these unconcious behaviors. You can, but it's a long and arduous process to make those concious actions unconcious. Remember to make eye contact when you want to look away, remember to stand up tall when you naturally hunch, remember to hold your shoulders back when you naturaly roll them forward, remember this and that and do it 24 7.

Or focus on incorporating those things one at a time while you go to the gym and eat good. That's the red pill approach, because the red pill is based on realism, and that is the real way change occurs. Pua instaconfidence is a scam.

[–]IRC Mod-Anteros- 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I have not read the "Warlord" post, but any post that ends with

tl;dr Stop your fucking whining.

Gets an upvote from me. This is what we tell users in the IRC channel daily. At least there is no mention in the comments of taking steroids so a guy can get that precious precious validation.

Well done.

[–]NaughtyFred 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Can confirm, got permabanned from the irc for being a whiny faggot.

(was let back in once I matured though, cheers Anteros)

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (7 children)

That post was nothing but an extremely long-winded way of regurgitating the 2000's era PUA maxim of "Just be confident."

That mantra was mainly spouted to sell DVDs and seminars to willing dupes. It is even less effective in the era of social network screening, Snapchat narcissism, and Tinder overabundance.

Hardcore self-improvement is the only way forward. This post is also disingenuous because it accuses us of focusing only on "looks." Looks are a major component of what women make their decision on. But it's not completely necessary to have stellar looks. But you have to have SOMETHING (i.e., great finances, high social status, expensive toys, killer body, abnormal height) to back up your confidence. With pure confidence like the original post advocates, but nothing else, you'll get a conversation. You might get a phone number, a text convo, but little else. Women are NOT attracted to your seductive... frame.

The post represents a major step backward for this forum. If you want to spout the standard "just be confident, approach a million women and wear one of them down through persistence" there is already a forum for that.

[–]matrixpush 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ratios are worse than ever. Agreed on the smartphone culture having changed everything. Men are just a revolving door to women. Society won't make it this way. The whole "looks" argument is still something most aren't ready to discuss, & that includes Roissy (he's gone all out political these days anyways lol). There's more attractive women than attractive men in society, but far more men overall. They banned the guy who wrote the truth only because a so called "red pill" forum couldn't handle the truth. Not very red pill of them.

Bar none, the most accurate writing ever on what's happening in the USA at the moment.


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[–]185poundsofhatredWIP 0 points1 point  (3 children)

being confident with women is not a good way to become confident with women

Nobody said that, ever. Do you really think that cold approaching and getting rejected will make an insecure, ugly, fat dude more confident?

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[–]185poundsofhatredWIP 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So if you're actually ugly and fat, there's more harm than good in cold approach.

You don't have to be straight out disfigured to be in a point where confidence won't help you any. The harsh truth is that some guys here will never make it, no matter their confidence.

[–]Conceited-Monkey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, half of the crap on here is resurrected from RSD, and it is not any less delusional than if was the first time.

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The amount of BP beta BS in the warlord thread was expected, and not surprising. A large portion of readers aren't ready for that shit, despite scouring this subreddit for hours a day. Give people concise answers that leave no room for error, and they'll bitch because what they really want is more excuses (i.e. "I'll delay action by reading more"), rather than RESULTS.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)


I was gonna make a similar post , but you nailed. It. Shit, I'm gonna still post my thoughts later just as an add in to this.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Problem: How do I get this (insert descriptive) woman?


There is more to life than women and social interaction. Those two things are shallow, observable, more easily comprehensible than purpose or self. Women? Women are how you obtain children- and they (children) are what life is about. They are your eternal. Women are a means, not an end- unless you crave the sweet embrace of Darwin's cul de sac or know how to use condoms better than you know how to sign your own name. Or if you enjoy paying child support for your offspring to get brainwashed by feminism and left to the mercy of other men (they have none.) More power to you, if you embrace something contrary to nature as your goal (nuclear reproduction.) Goals are different from passtimes, and for passtimes I will not judge you. Women are useful, but they are not the sum of your life. Stop putting the pussy on a pedestal- you belong there. And once you realize that- once that driving ambition moves you to be the God that you were meant to be- to look for the truth within your genes and carefully restore this thing that you are, in to what you should naturally be- you won't be able to make them leave you alone or go away. The answer to every question in TRP re: women is..."you."

[–]1SeemedGood 2 points3 points  (3 children)

(children) are what life is about.

Nope. Children, like you correctly asserted about women, are also only a means - both very good means, but certainly not the only means. And similarly, you are only a means to their end.

To what end? Evolution, both your own personal evolution and that of the species as a whole.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

...both very good means, but certainly not the only means.

Hold up there, Dolly

If your objective is to follow the biological mandate of reproduction in the furtherance of a human evolutionary agenda...I will award you that point and corresponding touché just for creativity, open mindedness.

But from a personal perspective- unless you actually clone yourself or have a child from some self-fertilized parthenogenetic embryo...I'm gonna call bullshit. And it would still be "having children," in a sense. Kids are the means and the end- and the end of the line for you, biologically. Unless the goal is perpetual self-existence, which is neat to think about, but a current scientific impossibility.

Although the existence of a massive, collective, clonal organism of like mind would explain some of the accounts in this sub...

Divide (your cells) and conquer all the things!

[–]1SeemedGood 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Physical reproduction is not the only means to evolution. Thus my delineation of both personal (individual) and species (group) evolution. There are mental and spiritual forms of evolution as well, both of which are done on an individual basis and contribute to cultural evolution.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Excellent- I see what you were trying to say. More power to you for embracing self worth and spirituality- I think they are both critical to truly enjoying life.

[–]fivesixone561 4 points4 points [recovered]

Confidence alone won't get you girls. It will help a little bit, but not that much. If a really unattractive guy walked into a bar and started acting really confident, people would think he was weird and creepy. People who are attractive are confident because they have a high social status and get tons of girls: not the other way around.

Now just because looks matter, that doesn't mean that one shouldn't try to talk to women, or that one shouldn't try to improve oneself. Just because some people are more genetically blessed than others, that doesn't mean that everyone who isn't a natural Chad should give up on trying to get laid. A man's attractiveness is mostly determined by his looks, wealth, and social status. However, these are all things that can be improved on. Although most guys will never be as attractive as someone like Brad Pitt, there are a lot of things most guys can do to boost their SMV.

I do think that confidence does help a little bit, but not that much. Most 5/10 guys aren't going to be able to fuck a 10/10 chick, no matter how much confidence they have.

[–]__ROOSTER__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

no one here is trying to be "most guys"

Focusing on averages is unhelpful. Focus on what can be achieved. Focus on men who have made themselves the top 20%, top 10%, top 1%.

[–]1SeemedGood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most 5/10 guys aren't going to be able to fuck a 10/10 chick, no matter how much confidence they have.

You missed the entire point of the post. Point was/is that raw looks really don't count as much to women as they do men, and thus confidence makes up a larger percentage of your "score" than raw looks.

As a guy who was relatively blessed with looks and a natural cut, but was hampered for many years by a relative lack of confidence (for a number of BS reasons), I have found this to be absolutely true.

[–]1THRILLHOUSE -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Mick Hucknell from simply red is a ugly fuck and he smashed the pastie all the time.

[–]slay_it_forward 1 point2 points  (2 children)

A good chunk of trp homos are LMS losers that literally never leave their gaming dungeon.

"I have no LMS, I don't get girls, therefore it must be LMS that gets girls", the thinking goes.

[–]sehns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ugly motherfucker here. I date models. /end

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children)

Woman don't give to much of a care about looks, Men do. Woman want a guy that will show her he can handle his (or her) shit. Why is this a conversation?

[–]BluestBlackBalls 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Hahaha, girls don't like looks. Ha ha ha

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never said girls don't like looks. You don't need to be a stud to get hot woman. Money and power can lend a huge helping hand to guys. Girls need to be good looking to get the top tier of men.

[–]Jaghiro -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Maybe it's not 100% true, but we agree that this isn't so much important for them as for men

[–]TheWorldToCome 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Looks are much much MORE important for women than for us. This myth really needs to die that women don't care as much about looks when it's the opposite.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why? I'm interested on examples that would show me otherwise.

[–]Eternasphere 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This speaks to me as someone who has been using their fitness goals to put off approaches

"Maybe I'll try after I lose another 5 pounds"

[–]slay_it_forward 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Make it happen cheese tits

[–]Eternasphere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

haha thanks bro, I lost a lot of weight and I'm pretty lean now but now i'm just getting picky. It's my time to shine out there in the world.

[–]arfl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some very relevant video support for the points you raise:


[–]cookke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think any of those would work for me. The only problem is if you come today and I am not here. The only problem is if you come today and enjoy the rest of the day. Or you can come over whenever you want to come. . . . . . . . . . . . .

[–]mehdreamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You guys who think Frame/confidence can trump look..you really should watch these 3 videos

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

You know what, if confidence was all that mattered then prove it to us. Show us an ugly obese broke mofo who can cold approach and sleep with an HB10 using pure confidence.

I'm waiting.

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[–]RedDeadCred 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Patrice is a terrible example. For starters, he was famous and his job was to command the attention of an audience. Second, abd most importantly, he was never pulling young dime pieces, he regularly had to fuck fat chicks even at the height of his popularity, which he talks about on his pidcast all the time, and the girl he married was decent looking but was in her 30s with a kid from another man.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bla bla bla. Worthless talk.

Show some evidence or shut up.


To clarify, you must not forget the "broke" part. Every one knows that money can buy you girls.

Also according to Wikipedia "He was a star football player at West Roxbury High School".

[–]SetConsumes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because there are no ugly obese broke men with confidence. They don't have any confidence, which is why they're ugly, obese, and broke. Someone with confidence would be not shitty in every aspect of life.

[–]JohnSgone -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Okay, new here and I will get some brunt for it but well - that's the job of us recently pilled. I don't really have trouble with my looks. Like I am actually doing some modelling jobs once in a while and get paid for it so let's settle at my looks is not a trouble. I dress well. Not obsessively or so, but I am not into those really middle-classy girls, or the girls that would go after you just cause you look wealthy. I find them boring anyway and I don't bother. I had a few girls. Not as many as I'd want to get and I believe the whole mess is my inner game. I get bored about them sometime and I feel like I would fuck and chuck but I don't really like the morals of it and from my previous experience I know that the chuck is never as smooth as one would imagine. Then there's a peer pressure. I study at a medium/small sized college and I am quite popular. I always feel watched.

Lastly - I can't do lategame. I've got quite a few girls going just now and a few that are pure DTF but don't know how to shag them discretely not to spoil my game on the others. Found the Warlord guide inspiring and eye-opening tho. I believe that with enough reading and fieldwork I'll cease to be a faggot I am tho. /tldr/ missing the guts, messy head, some success with girls, no problem with looks whatsoever

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So you have absolutely no clue what you're doing but the Warlord Guide spoke to you. That's about right.

[–]JohnSgone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yup. I have a messy head but I'm working on it. I used to take whole PUA level shit as awful and unfair towards women so I still need to read up. One of the things that warlords guide mentioned is that girls can appear bitchy/distant cause they are lost for words or don't have anything interesting to say. TBQH it may sound like common sense really, but I'd otherwise give those 9's magical powers due to halo effect and assume I'm not worthy. So yeah, warlords guide spoke to me.