568
569
570

Red Pill TheoryShe loses respect for you when you treat her like she's perfect. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by [deleted]

Most women are very sensitive to their flaws and imperfections. Insecure women are even more sensitive to their flaws, especially with their bodies and when they approach the wall.

If you treat her like she's the perfect girl and the only person in the world for you while she's feeling shit she subconsciously pick up two things:

  1. If you're impressed with low quality shit that means you're even lower quality shit.
  2. You're low quality shit so she'll treat you like shit because you think you deserve it.

Understand that women are people too. Some are really disgusting as well. They can take a bigger shits than us, smell bad, have poor hygiene, be absolutely bitchy, break down under pressure, etc. Most women know that they aren't the prettiest person in the world which endangers their hypergamy because prettier women will get the highest value males.

So just chill the fuck out man. If you're insecure about your shortcomings, guess what? Most women and beta men are too. RP men are not that insecure because they're stoic, have frame and actively try to be the best they can be. Now being confident has the reverse subconscious effect on them:

  1. He's confident about himself which means he must have a lot of things going for him (not always entirely true)
  2. I'm insecure about myself while he's not, so he must have more value than me.

TLDR; Don't treat her like she's perfect because nobody is and she knows it.


[–]Docbear64 106 points107 points  (12 children)

Cameron has never been in love - at least, nobody's ever been in love with him. If things don't change for him, he's gonna marry the first girl he lays, and she's gonna treat him like shit, because she will have given him what he has built up in his mind as the end-all, be-all of human existence. She won't respect him, 'cause you can't respect somebody who kisses your ass. It just doesn't work. - Ferris Bueller

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9klNqKoDONY

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (9 children)

I just realized how RP Bueller is in that movie. Goes to show you that even if you're a devious fucker that doesn't play by the rules, as long as you do it with confidence and own it, people love you. Be like Bueller.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Damn, Matthew Broderick was cute. No homo.

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

wow very on point for a Hollywood film

[–]OrpheusV 57 points58 points  (0 children)

For those who want an easy way to stop pedestalizing women, imagine them taking a shit and projectile vomiting all over the place. 99% of you will probably find that disgusting and realize that women are humans too with their own set of issues.

1% of you will be turned on by that shit, and I can't help you there in that case.

[–][deleted] 151 points152 points  (28 children)

A lot of men were taught growing up, "treat others as you want to be treated". A man wants to be treated like he is special from a woman, so he therefore treats her like she is special. And then sits there confused and hurt when he finds out she has been eagerly sucking Chad to completion and doing anal while she's told him she's not "comfortable" with those things.

A man who treats a woman like she is perfect is putting her above himself on a pedestal, and has just relegated his own status to servant or slave. While she might like the servant, and even have sex with him occasionally, she is secretly looking for a strong independent man who cannot be bent to her will. She wants a "good catch". Not some drone who thinks she is perfect, because she knows she has faults just like everyone else. And anyone who puts her on a pedestal is just showing stupidity, and clearly not top shelf man material.

[–]DarkCotton 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Treat other's the way they deserve to be treated. It's what I go by.

[–]ATrashMan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

haha thats a slick one i like it

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's pretty good actually I like that.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (1 child)

That's civilization. Not everyone is meant to lead or an alpha. Some are happy to be worker ants. Some are raised into betaness and wake up.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed, and nearly all of us here at red pill are from that latter part of that statement.

[–]BlackJ1 21 points22 points  (17 children)

Ok.

There is a clear difference between "treating others as you want to be treated", and acting obsequiously/sycophantic.

Nobody likes a suck up, therefore any man who "puts a woman on a pedestal" should understand it's their own damn fault they are being treated badly.

You know people on here may say oh you should treat her like a child or treat her like a slave and all this other bullshit, but really it's about not acting like a servile kid with Asperger's.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 15 points16 points  (14 children)

Currently I am bothering with only one, lots of shit to do and another would take up too much time better spent on priorities. However, every girl I've treated like a little kid, talked down to with a fatherly tone has eagerly gotten naked and die anything I wanted her to do. This one loves the way I am with her, and you could say I do not treat her nice and sure as hell not like an equal. She knows I can get a younger one easily, she is 45 and I have no shortage of college girls eye fucking me when she is around. I can easily bang the college girls, but currently they're too much trouble.

Now every time, every girl I have treated like an equal or even close to it has cheated, friend zoned me, or discounted me entirely. They want a man who is obviously above them, despite all the bullshit you hear about wanting to be equal partners, they want a man who can dominate and lead them. Talk to them like they're a kid and the panties get wet. That's the reality of it. Doesn't matter if you believe it or not.

[–]nattyX 11 points12 points  (0 children)

They want a man who is obviously above them, despite all the bullshit you hear about wanting to be equal partners, they want a man who can dominate and lead them. Talk to them like they're a kid and the panties get wet. That's the reality of it. Doesn't matter if you believe it or not.

The absolute truth. The smartest, hottest, fittest women want a man who is just a bit smarter, hotter, fitter than her. Alpha/all females look for alpha men. Everyone else in the meantime is just a placeholder until she finds it.

[–]BlackJ1 0 points1 point  (7 children)

I didn't say women want to be treated equally. I said women do not like....no wait hold on, they despise men who are suck ups to them.

Yes, we all know women want a man who can dominate and lead them. However to assert that one must treat women like a "child" in order to have her respect is up for debate.

Maybe you need to clarify what you mean by treating them like a "child".

[–]nattyX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The way I see it is that you hold them accountable for their actions and make no excuses for them just because they smell nice or have a vagina. If they fuck up, like a child would, you reprimand them accordingly.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You're above her, you know the why and how to any query, you're the answer man, you have it all handled, with ease. She looks up to you, asks you, submits to you, doesn't know the why and how, and knows you can handle anything.

That is the dynamic that exists between father and child, and gets sluts, wives, and girlfriends wet.

If she gets upset, to you it's irrelevant bullshit even if it's of paramount importance to her, so her emotional wave is both amusing and ineffective to you, as you're not swayed by it. That is the way to deal with a child or sexual partner, and they'd better not be the same person.

[–]BlackJ1 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

In your first paragraph you are just explaining the traits of a leader which women do in fact want. I don't know what kind of women you observe but I do know that if a woman was raised right by an "alpha" red pill father, she would not put up with a man who finds her emotional state amusing or irrelevant. That's demeaning, no self-respecting women would get turned on by that.

[–]Keldoclock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well no, the point is not to show her that you don't care about her feelings, the point is to not allow your own feelings to change because of her emotional outbursts. This protects you from being easily manipulated. This is TRP. We're all guys who have been played pretty hard.

However, i think that if you are with someone prone to outbursts, and you don't feed into them but don't punish for having the outburst, that is a basically attractive trait from a frame point of view.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd also like to chime in on this one as it's a stance I've had for a while. I've definitely experienced the difference in how women treat me when I put them on a pedestal or when I treat them as my lesser. That's not the disagreement here. The dispute is over how you treat people who are lesser than you, and I think that this one is up to each individual. Some people choose to rule by force while others rule by respect. I think with women you will have varying degrees of success with both tactics. You can neg her, reprimand her, and scold her for upsetting you, or you can take a more mellow stance where you have clear boundaries of respect that she must abide by in order to keep you around.

Whatever your leadership style, in both cases you can see that you are the leader and she is the subject. If you choose to be a merciless leader, which works better with broken women I have found, then go for it. If you choose to be a kind leader then go for it, just make sure that you still have a method of demanding respect and are able to back up those standards when she tests you. I find that the latter is more my style, but much more difficult to pull off for most guys.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it's really not about "not acting like a servile kid with Asperger's."

The fact of life is this: Women aren't sexually attracted to men who treat them as equals. It's just as simple, and brutal, as that. You can pretend it's not true just like you can pretend the sun doesn't rise in the east. That doesn't mean women want to be treated as a slave, but it does mean that women want men to be the leader.

[–]seanster94 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Stop making talking to girls such a gigantic huge deal. Its not.

Stop attaching so much pain to everything related to women. It will get you nowhere.

Stop being upset about that it's easier for women to have sex. Accept the way things are.

Get off this forum and do something you like to do, spread the love, and be yourself.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

"Be yourself"

Classic typical bullshit.

[–]seanster94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Be yourself means be congruent. Don't try and be anyone that you are not, and accept yourself for who you are. Then move forward an take massive action in the areas of your life that you want to improve.

This is way more challenging than having a negative view of yourself, saying you can't do it, and basically pussying out in all areas of life.

Buy into the idea that you have potential, and quit it with the negativity towards yourself and women.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Men who get jealous about how easy it is for women to have sex clearly don't understand the dynamic. Women get easy sex, men get easy commitment.

[–]omega_dawg93 50 points51 points  (1 child)

a women once told me: "do NOT put me on a pedestal and treat me like i'm some goddess... i HATE that. it's PRESSURE that makes me want to be perfect with my hair, make-up, etc., and i just can't be me."

i took this to heart realizing that all she was saying is, "i'm human, and i want to be treated as a human... not as a perfect object."

so, one of my go-to routines is to ask her out somewhere with a short timeframe to get ready... telling her that a sweater and blue jeans, a baseball cap & lipstick are all that's required-like a high school football or basketball game.

we go out, laugh it up, she's relaxed and knows she doesn't have to be a barbie doll to have a good time with me.

a relaxed, smiling woman is a naked woman... even when she's fully clothed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great strategy. I too have pedestaled before, and she echo'd the sentiment you've shared.

I think part of it is hypergamy too. Even if you're lower than her in reality, at least she can lower herself to help eliminate the cognitive dissonance of being hypergamous and yet being with you.

[–]StudntRdyTeachrApear 74 points75 points  (11 children)

They're fucked in the head. No seriously, look at what they do to guys that treat them with respect. It's not just the creepy guys going over board that get the sociopathic axe and successive branch swing, but even guys considered pretty fucking alpha.

One of the greatest fitness tests is inherent to a large percentage of women who are not only predisposed to certain behaviour, but have added on baggage from upbringing/relationships, and it is that they know, deep down, they're fucked up. Maybe it's BPD, maybe it's just tendencies, maybe it's something else, I don't give a fuck. The point is, they know it, and if you can't spot it, you're a fool. You've been fooled by them into perceiving them as something they're not. How is such "man" going to be perceived as a protector from the world's complexities if he can't even spot her bullshit?

[–]Harry_Fraud 32 points33 points  (8 children)

You're exactly right. I have a gay ex roommate who absolutely worships the ground on which I walk. I'm not gay, and he knows I literally keep him around for validation. He is my personal beta orbiter.

But damn, sometimes it is so frustrating to try to spill dirt and only receive a compliment in return. Sure, he is not as smart as I am. But damn, he comes off as so fucking thick when all he can do is say yes.

In the dynamic of a girl to a guy, she knows she screwed up and dude tells her she can do nothing wrong. The bitch knows she isn't Jesus, yet dude follows her like she can turn water into booze. Then that's every dude in her whole life. That's why she dates assholes, ya digg?

[–][deleted]  (7 children)

[removed]

    [–]ATrashMan 4 points5 points  (6 children)

    so having gay friends now makes one gay?

    [–][deleted]  (5 children)

    [removed]

      [–]mwait 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      Username doesn't check out.

      [–]HobKing 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      Damn, I thought you were joking. Why keep your distance? Afraid you'll be converted?

      [–][deleted]  (2 children)

      [deleted]

        [–]LethalShade 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        If your frame is so weak that being seen with certain a gay roomate makes people assume you're gay, that's on you buddy.

        [–]TheAC997 12 points13 points  (1 child)

        [–]analyticaltoafault 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        The Greeks/Romans knew all too much about humans being humans. I love looking back at history and seeing that so many of society's issues/individuals' interpersonal dramas, were recognized thousands of years ago, yet we all still have to each learn this shit for ourselves.

        [–]Hakametal 19 points20 points  (0 children)

        Now being confident has the reverse subconscious effect on them: He's confident about himself which means he must have a lot of things going for him (not always entirely true) I'm insecure about myself while he's not, so he must have more value than me.

        From my own experience I completely disagree with this. This only works on women who are "normal" in female terms. Insecure women are a black hole of emotional instability and nothing can fill that void.

        Insecure women will seek guys with less alpha qualities because they can't handle relationships where the man is indifferent. Their hamsters literally can't take it and they become bitchy, controlling and aggressive (very much like the insecure beta man).

        Those of you who have dated the 9's and 10's know what I'm talking about. Solipsistic and narcissistic women are the most insecure... with the BPD being the worst.

        [–]insoucianc 18 points19 points  (0 children)

        The respect isn't the problem, it's the means and boundaries.

        If she actually earns your respect then by all means reward her with some respect, and if she earns your disrespect then by all means reward her with some disrespect. This applies to both men and women.

        Where the line lies between what you consider respect/disrespect comes down to your boundaries. Have firm boundaries on what you will and will not tolerate and next/ghost her if she goes outside of them until she pays retribution and/or respect. These are healthy boundaries you should have for both men and women.

        These two tenets tango tandem too. For instance, have difficulty setting boundaries? You're not respecting yourself and neither will she, up and enforce your standards so they're in line with your goals. Have difficulty getting respect? You're not setting/enforcing your boundaries effectively enough and need to be more direct about them via body/verbal language. Getting respect? You're enforcing clear boundaries. Setting firm and clear boundaries? You're going to get respect.

        [–]mill58 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        I wish I knew this before... so many fucking mistakes...

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Welcome to the club, we all made them.

        [–]onmyownpath 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Here is the big secret - if you treat like she is perfect, she will deliberately do things to prove she is not.

        She so desperately wants you to stop idolizing her and be the fucking man that if you have her on a pedestal, she will do things to try and make you take her off of it.

        Keep her off the pedestal, and she will start working to see if she can get you to put her up there - thereby showing her you are not the man she wanted.

        [–]Hel_Hald 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I see your point in women losing interest from being put on a pedestal by the man, but this goes both ways to be honest, at least to my experience. Being treated as "perfect" makes me feel like I haven't met my full potential - that there is more. I personally need some resistance, a kind of balance in the way we treat each other.

        [–]Mckallidon 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Many women respect you the more you treat them as beneath you. This doesn't have to be abusive or exploitative. Act like the boss and that you don't need them, and they'll try to be useful to you.

        [–]Goodava 4 points5 points  (22 children)

        Jesus Christ some of you guys are nuts. Ban me if you want since I am a female but I need to add my 3 cents. I am an alpha female currently in relationship with an alpha male. He treats me like gold and he gets the same treatment from me. It is called a good relationship. There's nothing wrong with treating a deserving male or female with love respect and there's nothing wrong with treating them like they're perfect. I've lived with my SO for a year and a half and I've never been happier. I will go out of my way to show him just how incredibly perfect he is in my eyes. The most perfect male that has walked the face of this earth. I love him so much because during the course of our relationship I've never been mistreated not made feel like I'm not perfect. We obviously are not perfect we have our own flaws. However, we are perfect for each other. Showing it doesn't make you less of a man. He is as fucking alpha as it gets but that doesn't stop him from treating me well. There are other great alphas out there but guess what. My guy is the guy I love and just a thought of being with somebody else make me want to vomit. Guys good advice to you. If you find a girl that is a quality lady don't be afraid to show it. A bimbo girl will not appreciate it but a great girl will. I never comment here but today I felt like I had to. There's nothing wrong with being manly. Females love manly men who are not afraid of being themselves but for goodness sake, don't be a jerk either. Be yourself be confident and when the right person comes along treat them like they're perfect and they'll treat you just as well in return. Acting lile a jerk will get you nowhere.

        EDIT: grammar

        [–]makeshift98 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        I am an alpha female

        I've yet to mean a women who doesn't confuse this with being an annoying cunt.

        [–][deleted]  (5 children)

        [deleted]

          [–]BobbyPeru 12 points13 points  (0 children)

          This. One year is still the honeymoon phase.

          [–]graffix13 23 points24 points  (0 children)

          We're just saying that you will instinctively want to because you're just wired that way to ensure that you and your kids survive.

          While you're 100% correct, it's futile to tell her this. Logic and reason does not compute. Reading her post and it's dripping with 'feelz'. Begins defiant, middle is romance, and she ends it with a command.

          [–][deleted]  (1 child)

          [deleted]

            [–]ArkAngelEV 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            One step further, not only are they people , their fundamental mental schema is TOTALLY different from man. That is the crux. Remember it

            [–]assured_destruction 14 points15 points  (1 child)

            A whole year and a half, thats still the honeymoon. Come back in 20 and talk to us. And i bet he doesnt pedstalize you.

            [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            "Be yourself be confident and when the right person comes along treat them like they're perfect and they'll treat you just as well in return. Acting like a jerk will get you nowhere."

            What you don't realize is that all men here followed that exact advice, taught to them by everyone female (and even male) in their lives growing up. They ended up here because they saw too many jerks getting laid, and realized something isn't right in the world.

            You are still young in your relationship, talk to us in 10 years. I wish you luck.

            [–]askmrcia 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            I want to believe you, but I been around your type of females way more then I care to admit.

            They say they have a loving relationship on one hand, then two days later shes complaining about how he is cheating or having other girls chat him up on his phone.

            "Acting like a jerk will get you nowhere."

            Disagree here because everyone here has seen this to NOT be the case. And if you are honest with yourself, you know that is not the case either.

            [–]grass_cutter 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            Yeah human relationships are complex. Someone thinks they did someone wrong every time there is a breakup.

            The advice here is unclear from male OP. Don't treat a woman like she's perfect? Well yes, don't bow at her feet and be a human fucking doormat and desperate for affection, that applies to all humans.

            It's okay to complement a girl you're fucking though, tell her she's really hot. In fact I've done that for months, girls love that shit. They get wet for it. Now no, don't say that to a woman who you aren't sleeping with. Sure, you can pretend like she's 'beneath you' and try to ingrain a fear of loss in her to keep her around, but the who the fuck wants to do that, life is too short, you robots.

            [–]CanuckinFL 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            Hey grass cutter-a suggestion from a guy who once gave the compliments as they occurred to me. After digesting the Red Pill, and realizing how deep the need for validation in people (women) is, I now ONLY compliment in bed, while fucking. No compliments otherwise. Genuine thanks if they're sweet, but THAT. IS. IT. I compliment behaviors not women, in other words.

            [–]grass_cutter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I guess my compliments - even while not in bed -- are essentially sex talk.

            Like saying I want to fuck her tight pussy.

            I guess I do use 'sexy girl' a lot. Meh. They seem to like it. It's from a place of fun, not goofy or sniveling adoration.

            If that's wrong, well, I don't care.

            [–]ArkAngelEV 9 points10 points  (1 child)

            Acting like a jerk will get you nowhere.

            Wrong. Very wrong, and I have a bunch of personal explicit videos to disprove that statement. This is why kitchens shouldn't have wi-fi.

            [–]phate0451 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Your reading comprehension level failed to pick up OP's point.

            [–]12isLimited 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            That's basic logic yeah, everyone has flaws i thought we already knew something so fucking simple, fuck.

            [–]questionac 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Don't treat her like she's perfect because nobody is and she knows it.

            Women know this by default and some or most men need somebody else to make them understand it, and they resist it too.

            Women are indeed the realists.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

            Hey im 14 and im not the best talking with girls. I do fall under the beta quality of prasing a girl. Its not that im doing it naturaly its that when we text she is not confident with her body. And when she sends picks she will say things like "ugly af" when shes not that bad. I dont know exactly what do say so i say things like "not at all" and i know its wrong but i dont know what to say

            [–][deleted]  (3 children)

            [deleted]

              [–]wtf793 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              So what is the best thing to say in such a scenario?

              [–]crabyjoe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Point out a flaw and tease her about it. The other 20 guys are kissing her ass. Stand out buddy.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              then what should i say to her when she does it

              [–]ecosci 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Remember your wife or girlfriend will only reserve porn sex for the low life alpha stud but force you to wine and dine her with slim chance of duty sex google women like to be treated like sh*t.

              [–]Goodava -5 points-4 points  (5 children)

              No wonder guys on here have issues finding good quality women. That's all I'm gonna say. If you only want to have sex then keep reading the sub. If you get tired of causal hook ups then maybe then my comment will make any sense to you. You don't have to put a one night stand on a pedestal or treat her like she's perfect. Once you grow out of "I just want to bang mentality" and want to be in a mature relationship you'll realize that even though we all have flaws, some people can be perfect- for each other. Nothing wrong with treating each other as such. It's a two way street. Treating a woman like she's beneath you (just like somebody mentioned earlier) is the stupidest dating advice I have ever heard in my life.

              [–]Brutal13 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Perfection is a social abstraction construct. As a true friend you have to give a biasFree feedback, and looks like you're don't.

              [–]Goodava -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              Tell me what you mean by bias free feedback and I'll gladly provide it. I'm not in my early twenties. I've been around for a while and I have gained many valuable experiences throughout my life. I've been in few relationships where it simply did not work out because those relationships weren't based on mutual respect and honesty. I just wasn't treated well. I am not saying you guys have to put a girl on a pedestal but when you finally find a girl who's actually worth your time and who appreciates you for a wonderful man that you are then show her some appreciation back. Make her feel special and if she's good hearted then she'll make you feel like you're the greatest man alive. Being treated as I'm beneath a man is the reason I dump a guy in a minute.

              I've been following this sub for few reasons. Many advices on this sub are completely on point, I must admit. Empowering one another by telling each other to be confident, not to be afraid of being yourself. These are all great advices. Confident, manly men are extremely attractive. Confidence is more important than looks or social status and whether you look like an roman god it will not help you unless you have confidence. By confidence I don't mean being cocky but simply knowing who you are and owning it. "I know I'm not rich or don't look like Brat Pitt, but you know what? I know who I am and I love who I am". I realizes that a lot of women are straight up trash and should be treated as such. However, when you tell men to treat a woman like she's beneath them is a terrible advice. I have to call those people on their bullshit. Hey it could work on 20 something year olds if all you want to do is bang- and that's okay if that's all you want to do. Many younger girls don't even know who they are. Cocky alpha male could attract them at first, but will it make a quality girl stay? That's the question you have to ask yourself.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              It's not really about treating a woman like she is beneath you, it's about being the leader.

              And guys on here have no issues finding good women, once they have learned red pill knowledge.

              [–]CanuckinFL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              maybe it's not DATING advice, but the nature of things. Consider it, instead of putting yourself in the position of hearing these things, as it stands, entirely out of context. This is not a place for you to get insulted or offer examples of NAWALT, you can do that on the 1000000 other blogs about relationships.

              [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              I'll keep this short. True story.

              • Thought a chick was perfect. Looked like alycia Keys. Would call her beautiful and even stare. Asked for a kiss and get a peck. She dumped me in two days.

              • The next day her mom asks about me. (Skip explanation). I dig her. She laughed and her mom Laughes but I'm actually serious. She won't let me leave until I kiss her. Palm her ass and tongue her down. She cries and tells me to call her (leave while in the army).

              TLDR for TLDR. OP is right.

              [–]1PantsonFire1234 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              Can vouch for this post. Dated a thick (fat girl) once and she was very body conscious. Rightfully so, it's just that she didn't do anything about it. Sex was a drag and she constantly fretted about me enjoying it. I didn't care for her so I must have shown disinterested while fucking.

              Eventually I got sort of attached and I tried to view her differently. This only made the situation worse and caused her to act like a total bitch. Which is funny because she'd also be hurt when I showed lack of attraction for her body.

              Just stay away from the ill and unfortunate.