Blue Pill ExampleRaising a Glass Tonight to a Fallen Friend. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain

Summary: One of my very good friends from high school committed suicide yesterday. This guy came to my defense, even when my crazy ex was causing issues in my little home town, and most others had bailed out on me. I never forgot that, and kept in touch.

Body: Somehow my boy had some natural game, as he was naturally funny in that good natured way. He managed to attract women that way. He also managed to attract problems with women. It was weird in that a girl would be all over him, then turn on him in an instant. I remember one prom night where we got thrown out of the venue because the owners older wife got pissed because he had several girls around and claimed he said something off color to her. That was pretty much the pattern of his life.

The problem, for him, was that he had been married three times. The first wife had actually befriended the second wife, turned her against him, and they were perpetually launching co-ordinated legal attacks against him. At one point he had to sell off the assets of his business and rebuild due these two constantly sucking money out of him.

One thing to note was that they couldn't take his sterling business reputation, and his contacts away. He was known for running his business on the up and up and paying his subcontractors on time. he rebuilt his business, but then wife number three jumped aboard with the other two. Paying out alimony to three wives, and child support for seventeen kids, was murder on him. He had been reduced to sleeping on a cot in the back of his business, and some of his employees came in yesterday morning to find him dead of a self inflicted gunshot wound.

Lessons Learned:

Keep your shit wrapped up. He had seventeen kids, several by women he didn't marry, but he was paying support on all of them. Even if you choose to have kids, establish an upper limit then go get a vasectomy.

Women really are scorched earth. When they are done, they don't want anything left for you. If they see something bringing you happiness, they will go after it.

From years of conversation with him, he 'got it' about women's nature, and still couldn't help himself. You gotta have the beta conditioning on complete lockdown before you start engaging with women. He just wanted to 'do the right thing' by marrying and having a large family.

He was wholly irresponsible to marry and have that many kids. That's obvious. My SWAG is that this guy would have been taking home six digits, but the ex wife and various child support payments were getting almost all of it. Family courts don't just turn a blind eye in financially emasculating men like this, they actively aid an abet it.

Finally, this wasn't a last act of desperation, spur of the moment thing from what his family said. He'd been contemplating it for months, and his family had helped him get psychiatric treatment. Simply put, he'd figured out that the court system wasn't going to help him out, and that this was the only path he had to get out of the situation.

Conclusion: I really don't understand how he mismanaged it this badly. I guess the bluepill dream is strong with some men. Nobody is perfect, though, and he deserved better. So tonight I will be raising a glass to an old friend.

[–]prodigy2throw 188 points189 points  (1 child)

My only takeaway from this post is 17 kids. Dude was one kid away from having two baseball teams.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 234 points235 points  (49 children)

RIP to your friend, a victim of the court system.

17 kids is definitely an outlier. Forget the alimony, how could you even have a relationship with that many kids.

[–]Spurnout 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I know right? I can't even maintain that many relationships in my life at once, lol.

[–]TrigglyPuff9000 204 points205 points  (44 children)

Sorry for your friend's loss

but I can't feel any sorrow and sympathy for him.

He had 17 kids (17 mistakes), and never thought to himself once, "Maybe I should get a vasectomy." He figured suicide was the solution to the custody problem, but he couldn't have moved to a different state or even out of the country? While TRP is generally against alimony, child support in this case is warranted. He fathered 17 kids, he should pay for them – not the taxpayer.

It is better that your friend left rather than spread more damage to society. Those 17 kids are now fatherless, and likely go on to live mediocre unfulfilling lives.

[–]Cunt_Robber 55 points56 points  (4 children)

Why are you being downvoted? He was op's friend and we should pay our respects to that aspect of this man's life, but the other part definitely warrants some criticism. I mean even having half as many kids wouldve been a grave mistake! How can he make time for them all? He clearly did not learn from his past experiences and sadly nobody around him helped either.

Dont downvote this just because he died, there is a brutal lesson to be learned here!

[–]The__Tren__Train 8 points9 points  (0 children)

there is a brutal lesson to be learned here!

ehh... not really. pretty sure most guys know not to get married 3 times and have 17 kids..

[–]TrigglyPuff9000 42 points43 points  (0 children)

We're not talking about 1 or 2 or even 5 kids. We're talking about SEVENTEEN kids. Jesus christ. This guy was a menace to society. Good riddance. I'm sorry that the OP lost a buddy of his, and how he feels about that, but fuck his friend.

[–]Whereismycoat 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I'm only downvoting for the part where he said that it's good his friend killed him self. That's fucked up.

[–]zephyrprime 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah seriously. Of course he is going to be broke as f with 17 kids. The courts and even the women have nothing to fricken do with it. Even if he never got divorced, he would still be broke as f with 17 kids. Six figures doesn't mean squat. I make 6 figures and I don't feel rich and I'm a bachelor. You'd need to make 7 figures to get by with that many mouths to feed.

[–]RedditKarmaFarmer 17 points18 points  (11 children)

tact, skill and sensitivity in dealing with others or with difficult issues.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (10 children)

You're speaking up in a sub that glorifies GayLubeOil to stardom. Just saying.

[–]TrigglyPuff9000 28 points29 points  (9 children)

He does need to pay the bills to subsidize his 'roid injections after all since his job at T-Mobile barely covers expenses.

[–]TheRedStoic 5 points6 points  (8 children)

That's not true. I've had my share of conflicts of opinion or reason with plenty of the endorsed here.

Never been banned. Been upvoted quite a few times. Even asked for advice occasionally.

How you do it matters as much if not more than what.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

+1 for understanding and describing the difference between disagreeing with ECs to flesh out a conversation and purposefully AMOGGING the ECs to get an immature, emotional high.

Paging /u/paperstreetvilla

Hardest working mod on reddit

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If youre gonna jerk me off, at least stick around for dinner.

[–]ModRedSovereign[M] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There is a right and wrong way to express disagreement.

For some reason people think they have a right to troll in here though. Never get tired of banning them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Agreed, I disagree with 95% of what NRS says and I have been upvoted every single time I call him out. The mods in here have no issues with dissent. This is the bear pit, the only reason you get kicked out is by acting "unbearly" (I like to make up words).

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[–]TheRedStoic 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Nah. You're drawing a false dichotomy, implying honesty cannot be tactful, or vise versa.

The beauty of understanding language is that it leads to the third option, telling someone to go to hell in such a way they look forward to the trip.

Learn that skill and you'll be fine.

[–]Returnofthemack3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

yeah what the ever loving fuck

edit: dude was basically ol dirty bastard pt. 2 lol.

[–]JustinDX 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"live mediocre unfulfilling lives" whilst being raised by some of the state of the art manipulators.. inevitably to be enriched in beta-ness.

[–]smc_official 13 points14 points  (5 children)

17 mistakes? dudes a fucking lad for having that many kids.

birth rates are declining in the west, i'm not mad if a chad out there is spreading his genes around and having 17 goddamn kids. motherfucker might have killed himself but he left a legacy alright. most men won't even have 3.

you guys are happy that the guy died because he was a "menace for society" for having "too many" kids.. lol. acting like he goddam murdered 17 people.

[–]Fredo100 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This guys a lad? Ye sure, he couldn't possibly father all those kids and having them because he didn't want to take responsibility by wearing a condom or taking vasectomy is more impulsive than anything. This is not the definition of a lad and if anything, it is a definition of a man who has very little self control, not something we advertise in TRP. His actions may have temporary pleasure, but with it came long-term resentment.

Also, those kids will be raised by single mothers, now do you want me to go into the downsides of this? These kids will be 5 times more likely to commit suicide than kids with fathers. They will have dramatically increased depression and anxiety in comparison with kids with fathers and not to mention they will end up having no one to set boundaries (women are terrible at this) so the girls will just end up like washed up whores and the guys will most likely become impulsive, making bad decisions probably all will end up in jail or homeless.

[–]smc_official 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i know they have higher chances of becoming fucked up, like you said, but it's unrealistic to think "all will end up in jail or homeless", especially since they have many different mothers.

and let's say, if the kids have good genes, and only half of the kids end up homeless, he'll still have 8-9 champions..

i'm not idolizing the guy, but folks here saying they're happy the fucker killed himself is ridiculous

[–]Mithra9009 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Birth rates are declining in the west for whites, yes however the reason for their decline is partly because of the ramifications of feminism. If those kids aren't raised properly, they won't be able to make the changes society needs for the birth rate to be corrected and will, to varying degrees, only aggravate the issue.

TL;DR Having lots of children (especially with no father) isn't going to help because the falling birthrate isn't the problem, it's merely a symptom of a deeper problem.

[–]mensafloyd 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Those 17 kids are not his legacy, but legacy of the STATE. Period. And is an empirical fact that a children of single moms/state most likely don't end up a alpha/leader material.

[–]CosbyTeamTriosby 3 points4 points  (0 children)

it's the taxes needed to support these kids that's behind the frustration - shit, as a single man with no kids, I'm fucking pissed that I have to subsidize all you motherfucking parents' taxes

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That would have been another solution too. Quietly save up 50-100k then jump to Mexico or various other under developed countries in the world. Live like a King. And get a vasectomy on day 1 of that new life. Hell, he probably could of build up a successful business there too.

[–]1------6EQUJ5-11--1- 5 points5 points [recovered]

Dude...the guy just lost a friend...

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 28 points29 points  (1 child)

This place is not a safespace. Everybody is empathic with him here, but that does not mean that you will not get what you deserve here, if you choose to share your life with us, which is the naked truth.

Fact is that his friend chose the easy way out. I am even highly empathic with him, as I myself was on the verge of freeing myself from oxygen addiction a couple of years ago. I know how tempting it can feel. I still struggle with depressions. Just the last two weeks were really really hard for me as I was hit with much shit that drew me back to the ground and I had to drag myself through the days and keep going through life.

That doesn't change the fact that I am still here and that guy isn't though and that he would have had other ways out.

[–]Barvazon 10 points11 points  (0 children)

+1 for This place is not a safe space. Triggered? GTFO

[–]TheRealMewt 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Motherfucker, his friend made his own mess. This ain't a fucking hug box. We're here to not make the same mistakes as other men.

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[–]1------6EQUJ5-11--1- 9 points9 points [recovered]

You have a good point... but today I'm going to do exactly what I do to girls...and just walk away from your shit.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I tell my BP brother how to deal with his wife. He was having an argument once and I said to him "what are you doing?...". He stopped and said "oh yeah. [my brother] says I shouldn't engage with you so I'm going to ignore you now"

Your comment just reminded me of that.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Evading the issue does not make it disappear. You're meant to be a man, not an ostrich.

[–]Gettingaware 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Theres no issue here.

Sometimes men have no sympathy and tell it like they see it.

Other men feel that theres a better way it can be handled.

But for your information, walking away is the best thing you can ever do when dealing with anybody trying to force their opinions and morals down your throat.

[–]Spongejong -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

"Tells people they are walking away instead of just doing it". God damn you are as much of a pussy as the friend

[–]TheReddHobbit -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

The person you are responding to is a troll

[–]RedMoonAscendant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had one kid. ONE FUCKING KID. And realized this was an error in my ways and snipped it off. All you have to do is some basic accounting to realize where all the money is going when you have kids.

[–]as_a_young_woman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Are you saying women have no responsibility or agency for getting pregnant? And it's reasonable to take so much money from the man that he can't live at all? I have a feeling those 17 kids won't be better off with zero child support coming in.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both are guilty, the girls as much as the man, but the main topic of OP's post, was his friend.

[–]zephyrprime 3 points4 points  (1 child)

how could you even have a relationship with that many kids.

Simple - you can't. I knew a girl from a family of 8 and they were all from the same parents and she said she was neglected growing up. Became a stripper.

You have all been warned.

[–]drty_pr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have 3 and it's a challenge to make sure they all get a proper amount of attention.

[–]SlinkyOne -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

17 kids

...........I'm surprised he survived... But at least he has his genes out there.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 38 points39 points  (10 children)

Like a suicide bomber. Most hurt ones are the closest. Probably children. Ex wives get a scratch or two.

Rest of population does not care really.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (9 children)

Mens pain and suffering is not an issue for society as a whole.

Even here we have Keyboard commandos thinking if they empathize with OP then its a tacit approval of bluepill behavior

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Mens pain and suffering is not an issue for society as a whole.

Can confirm. Been in the gutter. Figuratively, literally, mentally. Nobody gave a shit except my mother and brother.

Male disposability is real. The sooner you accept it, the better.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Welcome back

There is no way out of the gutter until a man accepts his disposability.

Otherwise, he is employing a victim strategy that the world reserves for women and children.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

I wonder if your mother really gave some fucks or was that just your wishful interpretation. IM NOT TROLLING IM NOT TRYING TO OFFEND TOU. Just think about it.

[–]cnzs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most likely yes, it's a different dynamic between mother and child most of the time they do feel sympathy.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well. Since I managed to sneak into my mother's egg while she was on the pill, but she still didn't try to get rid of me after she found out, I like to imagine that she cared...

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Even here we have Keyboard commandos thinking if they empathize with OP then its a tacit approval of bluepill behavior

It is vital that we remind people that the entire reason for the Red Pill sub and the men who run it, along with those of us who contribute to help teach is entirely on compassion and empathy.

In a way, we are a tiny minority of society who don't believe in male disposability. We instead believe in the potential. Perhaps the methods must be harsh... but why bother with the harshness? Either we're all just psychopathic monsters or perhaps we're the only ones who truly love our fellow man in the way society only virtue signals about.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Interesting comment.

I am with you that we can be empathetic to men's plights (most vets here are). I will go further and say that displaying this empathy won't help or hurt a mans sexual strategy. Women love strength and despise weakness and the goodness of the man isn't a factor.

I can't say that male disposability is a lie and respectfully disagree with you. In fact, my inherent worthlessness drives me to outwork my colleagues. Outlift my peers. Skip meals. Sacrifice my time to drive my kids lives forward.

You know what I mean

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I know what you mean. And I'd point out rather than you being disposable, it is your lack of natural value that you mention helps to drive you. A subtle difference between the two.

I believe we have no natural or inherent worth. I also believe that society has extended this concept to consider you disposable. That is where I part ways with society. I still believe you don't have a natural worth, you build it yourself. But I don't consider you disposable. You have built your value through blood, sweat and foul language.

Now let's extend this nuance to the newer kids who have not built value. They have no worth. They are still disposable in the eyes of society. However we don't write them off simply because they have no value. We don't consider them disposable merely based upon crude male sexual or societal contribution value. Instead we teach them to build worth. This very act shows we don't consider them disposable, while also accepting that they lack value and do not have a natural value. If we considered them disposable, we'd ignore them.

Ultimately this nuance probably matters very little. Interesting to consider though.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The Bluepill was created and is maintained to hide mans true value from himself

[–]HomeHeatingTips 34 points35 points  (6 children)

I feel sorry for his kids. Your friend wasn't blue Pill, he was irresponsible.

[–]eclectro -5 points-4 points  (5 children)

Your friend wasn't blue Pill, he was irresponsible.

No, he wasn't irresponsible. He was effing Genghis Kahn, genetic conquerer. The guy had game, but couldn't get out from under the legal system or more specifically his women.

In as much some criticisms can be mentioned, I don't think people should pass judgement on him so readily.

As much as his family tried to get him help, I bet that did not stop them from showing up each month for the check.

(By the way I also feel super sorry for his kids)

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I need the # of your dealer, because whatever he's supplying you is off the charts.

[–]eclectro 4 points5 points  (1 child)

He had 17 kids. He beat Darwin by a landslide. His genes are going to be everywhere. Sure he had horrible problems, but there can be more than one reason to raise a glass to the guy as OP suggests.

[–]mensafloyd 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Having 17 kids puts a man in several positions of unnecessary risk. There is NOTHING red pill about that.

[–]eclectro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't fault him for having the kids. I do fault him for not having a solid prenup in place limiting his exposure. Red pill theory should never take away your own personal choice.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Very sad day for you man. One of the things you realise when you learn about mental health issues like depression and suicide, is that sometimes it's actually logical. I recall a case my mentor dealt with where the woman was contemplating suicide for a variety of reasons. The reason the case was so hard, is because her reasoning was perfectly valid. She had a life that was truly not worth living.

One of the things that society needs to come to terms with is the way that the legal system can be abused and thus turn decent men into slaves. Your friend had become an enforced slave due to the system... we then have to ask ourselves the very real question... if you had to work like crazy to earn money that then goes to someone else, and there's no end in sight to this, it literally looks like the rest of your life is just that all the time, day after day, month after month, year after year. And from all this work, you get to live in a cot in your office. Does suicide start to look like the logical option? It's an awful world for some people. As much as he caused the problems himself... the broken nature of the system is equally to blame. A man who works hard deserves better.

Enjoy your drink.

[–]stawek 27 points28 points  (1 child)


Anyway, if you make 17 kids don't be surprised child support ruins you.

[–]mensafloyd 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And that's only part of the story. He would be legally liable if any of his kids do some stupid shit down the road. Hell, if even worse if one of the kids got pissed off at him and decides to kill him for not being there. Xanax anyone?

[–]get_real_quick 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Yeah. RIP, but your friend is a dumbass and if anything, is a cautionary tale.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

and if anything, is a cautionary tale.

I can't argue against that, hence the bluepille example tag.

Edit: For clarity.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There is not a whole lot of blue pill guys out there with 17 kids. More like your friend was an alpha in a blue pill society.

[–]chanandlerbong420 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

alphas don't have three wives and seventeen kids. alphas don't murder themselves.

[–]killa31 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I dont think alot of ppl actually saw the BP example tag lol.

[–]Docbear64 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I wonder how many people have ruined their lives by trying to " Do the right thing". I hate that term so much as I get older because it basically gets translated to "default to societies script in lieu of thinking critically what's best for me" . Perhaps it is just a product of me being on this sub but no person , especially a man, should allow their life or decisions to be set on autopilot like that.

It's a tragedy for your friend , hopefully he found the peace he felt he couldn't in life .

[–]its-iceman 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Seventeen kids?! I'm sorry your buddy went out like that but holy shit. That's not a couple of kids. And married three times? He was a glutton for punishment. Sad all the way down.

[–]JonasTheRipper 7 points8 points  (0 children)

May He Rest In Peace!

I don't drink but I'll light one up for your mate tonight. It's a sad story but I find solace in knowing that he will live on through 17 kids and the bitches that did him wrong are now left to deal with their mess.


[–]foot_odor 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Sorry for your loss. What happens then to the alimony for so many wives and children ?

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain[S] 17 points18 points  (5 children)

Probably a cat fight over anything they can get out of selling the business assets.

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Lawyer here. I'm not asking for details; I'm just announcing that I'd be curious to see the details of his estate in this situation. Generally, court ordered spousal and child support are an income obligation. It is generally not an award of equity interest in property.

All things being equal and in absence of a Will, ex wives typically do not receive anything from the decedent's estate. So there's a chance that his ex wives will receive the amount of property equal to the amount of fucks your buddy gave there at the end: none.

Condolences for your loss bro

[–]1v1mebruh 4 points5 points  (2 children)

so itll be split up and go to his kids? and if so, will the wives have access to those kids' accounts or is it held for the kids until theyre 18? or with no will... who does it go to?

just curious, thanks for the insight

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 5 points6 points  (1 child)

There are too many unknown influential factors that could be in play to make any sort of accurate guess. I said I was curious to know the details because I haven't yet seen a probate matter involving 3 ex wives, 17 kids, and a business. The professional in me has a strong intellectual curiosity to see how things play out. But I would anticipate that the probate attorney(s) involved in this case will have a lot of work ahead of them.

In a more general sense, without a Will specifically mentioning "to my ex wife, <name>," ex wives are not able to acquire property from a deceased ex husband's estate. However, the kids still inherit some share of the estate.

There's a potential question of trusts being created to hold title to properties for the minor children who are under 18; but like I said, there are too many variables and possible outcomes to meaningfully explore in my comment.

[–]1v1mebruh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

interesting. thanks a lot for the info nonetheless. the piece about ex wives having no entitlement to his estate is interesting. thank you

[–]mensafloyd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't matter about the kids or ex-wives. The lawyers involved will win.

[–]Hyperschooldropout 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This is the sort of shit that I come to the red pill to see. Something ironclad to help my life, and something I know the OP won't be attacked on by TBP.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The main lesson is pre-plan your children if you should have any.

Do not have 17 of them.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Sorry for your loss. That said, his decision is, by all accounts, a terrible one.

If he wanted out of the nightmare he could have sold everything he owned and leave the country with a big smile on his face. Start fresh in a different country where his money and skills would make him a fucking king. Change citizenship, get back to old hobbies and passions, slay young pussy etc.

If he wanted revenge, same thing. And maybe send postcards to the ex-wives with him on the beach every holiday. Befriend his kids on facebook, explain the situation and invite them over. Make his story public. Even make a foundation to help others in the same situation. Thousand better options than the one he chose.

His decision only left his kids without a father and with only their mother's version of the story. The wives get what's left of his fortune, his parents and friends are hurting, his employees will be out of work...

[–]clouddevs 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"His decision only left his kids without a father and with only their mother's version of the story". That is the saddest thing I read today. All our stories are just too familiar, aren't they ?

The thing with suicides is that it is the end of the tunnel for prolonged depression. Just like you don't think clearly when you are drunk / freaked out, you don't even want to think about the other options when you are depressed.

Its this depression which must be battled.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 6 points7 points  (7 children)

It's not just women man, we are living in very weird times right now. Imagine living at the end of the Roman empire during it's collapse, kind of like that. Women are far worse and harder to handle nowadays than they've ever been.

Some guys just can't get past that and I understand. I have friends who just want a fucking family and a waifu. Something that I thought women wanted to. They got raised in a big family and they want to continue that. And somehow fate has snatched it away from them.

I got raised in a broken home, batshit crazy mother, alcoholic narcissistic dad, divorced, nightmare of a stepmom. I also grew up in the ghetto crap part of town. And all it took for me to accept the crushed dream was one bad experience and two weeks of monking. It was that easy for me. Because I never had it anyway.

But fuck I feel bad for good natured people that come from a decent family that just want to continue the prosperity they've been raised with. If there's one thing I wish I could do is bring it all back for them.

[–]MonetaryCock 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Those men can and will find women they deserve, but it's usually within religious institutions. There is a spectrum of women out there, not just bloodthirsty whores like some people on this subreddit make it out to be.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Whenever people raise this argument they basically still admit that the conservative woman is a niche market nowadays. Whilst the world is filled with sluts and skanks. When a society of people lose their morals and virtues they become Betas and Sluts. That's why I always hammered on them being the same symptoms of low value/weakness/degeneracy.

Obviously women aren't born like this they become this and that means that theoretically you can find a woman that's less contaminated. But even she has been exposed to our degenerative culture. There's just no getting away with that. We battle daily to remain strong and virtuous and this board is filled with guys 'relapsing' and these guys are fucking unplugged.

The truth is that about 90% of all women on this earth are shit value just like 90% of all men are. Finding that 10% is gonna prove a whole lot harder than it would have been in the 50s of the previous century. Women would love it if every red pill guy went back to believing they are worth something whilst secretly being a whore. Not gonna happen. They are worth five dollars so we charge five dollars.

The very fact that this is the only argument people can think of proves the dire situation we are in. If our water supply was contaminated and I had to tell you "there is a spectrum of water out there, which is not contaminated, usually found within deep underground wells" then that wouldn't bode well for your odds of hydrating yourself without getting sick.

In order to fix the problem we need to recognize the problem. Men suck, we've recognized this and hence we have the red pill. Women suck to and it's time we admit to this. Fixing ourselves is only half the battle. After raising your SMV and Alpha game you're still gonna be stuck with a probable plugged in whore. Very bad times could be ahead.

[–]MonetaryCock 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Not sure what prompted you to bring up half those points, but I'll respond to the one section that has semblance to what I spoke about.

"The very fact that this is the only argument people can think of proves the dire situation we are in. If our water supply was contaminated and I had to tell you "there is a spectrum of water out there, which is not contaminated, usually found within deep underground wells" then that wouldn't bode well for your odds of hydrating yourself without getting sick."

There are many arguments and faces to our discussion, I assure you this isn't the only side of it.

As far as the fresh water analogy goes, there is a way to do things. You don't find a source of water, and knowing the state of local water, immediately start gulping it down. You sip, you taste, and if your senses signal contamination or impurities you move on until you find something worthy.

Better yet, collect relatively untainted water and purify it yourself. The amount of purification depends on the tools you have on hand, but you can at the very least boil off the bacteria and parasites infesting the liquid. For something more intricate to remove small particle and heavy metals you'd need to find an institution or business capable of rendering that service.

I'll refrain from stretching the analogy any further.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The point was that it's easier to drink from an abundance of clear water rather than having to filter/find clear water and feed that to your entire population. Women are for the most part shit value and Beta just like the men are.

Finding a conservative waifu isn't impossible but you are certainly embarking on a bringing-the-ring-to-mordor type of journey. One of the biggest failures men are committing to right now is not recognizing that women are shit. Until we do they will only get more shit.

This board is dealing in grimdark truths because that's exactly what we are dealing with, the unpleasant truth. If we were to look at the numbers you could honestly say that 90% of the woman are irredeemable and 10% are salvageable/virtuous/highvalue/alpha.

Factually this means that only 1 in 10 men will have himself a good woman. The rest will all end up with has been sluts who lie about their past and act like immense cunts. That or he will stay a bachelor and hence no nuclear family. Which equals the destruction of our civilization.

[–]MonetaryCock 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The point was that it's easier to drink from an abundance of clear water rather than having to filter/find clear water and feed that to your entire population.

If that clear water exists in the first place. Given the current state of water then it isn't an option.

As for the rest of what you said, I think you've been on these boards too long. Both men and women will naturally seek out the best possible mate with what they are able to provide and bring to the table. It is a back and forth balance, we are each other's yin and yang.

Your expectations are too high if you think so many women are beneath you. Maybe get off these boards and go see the "truth" for yourself. I enjoyed this subreddit because there are genuine questions being asked but it's become a very vocal echo chamber.

Thank you for attempting to explain and write out what you have.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (1 child)

As for the rest of what you said, I think you've been on these boards too long. Both men and women will naturally seek out the best possible mate with what they are able to provide and bring to the table. It is a back and forth balance, we are each other's yin and yang.

I get what you're saying but both men and women are currently very shit at how they deal with things. Men have no clue what women want and how to act. They are complete betas constantly getting friendzoned, orbitting and cucked by women. Liking every girls post, being easy as fuck, talking to them like a lovesick dog. There's no value to be found with these men, no attraction.

Same goes for women. They have no clue what men like. They only figure out we like sex, big woop. They develop shit personalities, lie, cheat and act like men. Bitch at your ear all the time and do disgusting things they never tell you. They fail to even stay in shape because they are already given the bare minimum of their emotional needs. So they lack motivation to get in shape. Their attractiveness is limited and surely evaporates the moment you find out they are actually huge sluts. If not then it's when they show their sour and abusive personalities. Complete sluts.

None of these people are actually getting the best possible mate. Not the Beta and neither de Slut. They get eachother. The low value option.

Your expectations are too high if you think so many women are beneath you. Maybe get off these boards and go see the "truth" for yourself

I get off this sub plenty of times, nowadays I lurk moderately and try to stay somewhat engaged with what happens when time allows it. I'm very socially active and I've seen enough. Not just now but throughout my life. There's more shit than diamonds in this world.

You are a positive thinking dude but your positivity is born from naivete and therefor subject to disappointment and weakness. I stay positive in a different way. I acknowledged the shitty situation we find ourselves in but with the faith that I can turn it into a good situation. Together with like minded people like here and other boards and those I mean in real life. Friends and family.

All I have to do is think the right way and show them how I think and let them follow my lead if they wish. That's what it's all about.

[–]MonetaryCock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man can make a heaven out of hell or a hell out of heaven. All we can control in the end is ourselves. The rest of the world has its own rhythm.

[–]JustinDX 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I had a friend pass from suicide as well recently and whilst he isn't anything like the guy described above I can help dissect what has happened.

Attempting to gain validation or any form of positive emotional support from woman = Depression

I had 3 of my exes tell me they were "pregnant", funnily enough each time was after I had revealed I had cheated on them. One girl even said she was pregnant 3 times to get me back/keep me. It was all for attention. Girl are fucked up creatures. The initial few days after finding out the girl I just replaced with a better girl had told me she was pregnant = deeper depression/suicidal thoughts (Though i had depression already).

Kids with little manipulating bitchy ex-wives = depression

Kids with little manipulating bitchy ex-wives+ ex-wives ganging up = depression/suicidal thoughts

The above combined with being a successful Alpha* Male running a 6 figure business knowing that your life long progression is being ruined by scum = Trigger pulled

I can guarantee all of that weighed down on him to the point of suicide. RIP.


  • AWALT - Even if shes acting all innocent like princess fiona, that bish will be a big green shrek-looking excuse of a female in no time (may take years tbh, they hide this shit good)
  • Be stoic and emotionally unavailable like your life depends on it - Give in and your little sexy girl will be bending over backwards for the guy who just doesn't give a fuck. The HB8 with a bf will be sucking STOIC's dick saying she will leave her 6yr bf for him all the while he's trying to cum as fast as possible because he has to meet HB9 and HB10, who have begged for months for a threesome.

[–]1TimmyTurnersNuts 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Damn man. Goes to show that vile women and the court system can destroy any strong decent man. What a Greek tragedy ending. Those heartless sociopaths probably don't give two fucks either. The only woman in this world that MAY love you is your mother.

[–]needsomehalpls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My condoleances. Lost a friend in 2016 too, jumped with no warning, no note no nothing :(. Suck man

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

RIP, sounded like a real guy.

[–]1egoisenemy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm terribly sorry about your friends passing.

[–]Bigmachiavelli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My heart hurts for you and his kids. He should have just left the country. With his business acumen he could have started a business anywhere.

[–]Conceited-Monkey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is beta behavior, but with three marriages and seventeen kids, I think this friend migrated into pathological behavior.

[–]monkey_typist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can see the three ex-wifes acting like they've lost someone dear to them and crying for attention like they were the real victims.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A very sad ending for your friend, I feel for you and those close to him. Simple fact is that your buddy won the genetic lottery and fulfilled his genetic imperative. Bits of his DNA will be alive and well and breeding on this planet until most or all humans are wiped out. In days gone by he would have lived happily ever after and probably had 100 plus kids (or got killed by an angry father/ cuck/ brother). Fact is that society expected too much of him and too little of the mothers. Child support laws need to be overhauled.

[–]Oz70NYC 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry for your loss. While he did himself no favors marrying 3 times and having 17 kids...the fact that the only way out he felt was taking his own life happened because as men we're expected by the system to "take it". He was reckless, yes...but he didn't deserve his fate. And now his piranha exs will turn to feeding off of each other rather then off of him.

[–]andhakanoon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

May your friend's soul rest in peace. I'm sorry for your loss.

[–]phate0451 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nobody is perfect, though, and he deserved better.

Actually when it comes to beta behavior, you get exactly what you deserve.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Scorched earth indeed. They're all lovely and snuggles until the babies come. Then they may as well be black widow spiders.

[–]no_face 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Child support on 17 kids is enough to drive anyone to suicide

[–]2awalt_cupcake 1 point2 points  (2 children)

serious question, at what child number does the state no longer expect you to pay child support? 17 is impossible.

[–]1Sir_Distic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I doubt most states have a limit. I believe it's based on how much the man makes and it's per child. Such as $100/month per child. Or something similar.

That's my understanding of it. I knew a guy making around $1200 a week having to pay nearly 3 grand for 2 kids. He basically was broke and starving while working his ass off.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

my original goal after reading this sub was to impregnate as many women as possible because I figured they couldn't realistically expect you to pay for 10+ kids. I was wrong.

[–]Cmfanel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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[–]Faymozilla 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Alpha as fuck, forget the the suicide. But 17 kids! Hell yes he fulfilled his biological mission. You live on alpha kids!

[–]romantictheory 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let us hope his sons grow into Chads and don't waste their genes as did their father. Or, if they do play the beta provider game, are at least any good at it.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 1 point2 points  (1 child)

As much bioscience that gets tossed around about spreading genetics, I think mass procreation is highly overated.

Those kids will have a mix of good genetics, but the upbringing will be crap and other than genes, they will have no attachment to their father's legacy. If anything, they'll identify more with their mothers or step dads.

Patriarchy works well when you have an empire to pass to your children to create a multi generational name or foundation. Like the rockafeller or the Trumps.

I'm on the mindset of having few kids and concentrating everything you can on those few vs being a human sperm donor to a bunch of bastard children.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It;s basically quality vs. quantity.And the truth is that quality always gets the upper hand.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 3 points4 points  (15 children)

Was he Indian, Mexican, black?

Who has that many children?

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain[S] 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Nope, wonderbread white and middle class.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Must have had a strong drive then.

I guess, technically, he won the evolutionary game because he successfully copied his genes so many times.

[–]southernmost 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Hard to say that, really. These kids are all now going to be raised by single moms. The odds of them turning into well-adjusted adults are not in their favor.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, well, genes don't care if their carrier is a well-adjusted adult.

[–]GunPostal -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What about his wives? Are they white too?

[–]46burner 24 points25 points  (8 children)

Jesus Christ man any ethnicity can have a bunch of kids

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[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 5 points6 points  (0 children)

keep dancing, you're almost there

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

That's right but the stereotype exists for a reason

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 3 points4 points  (0 children)

3 is a bunch already, but 17? Come on. That's thoughtless and borderline crazy in this day and age.

Though like I said in another comment, technically, his genes won the evolutionary game because the guy made so many copies of them.

[–]ransay3277 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry to hear of a life cut short. But 3 Ex-wives and 17 kids??? I know God said be fruitful and multiply... But this is ridicules. The stress must have been unbelievable. Poor guy.

[–]Katavasis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shit,goes to show you that we have it doesn't take much to be above average in terms of 'fuck-ups' in life.

My condolnces!

[–]combosplice 0 points1 point  (7 children)

I'm new, what is the blue pill dream OP is referring to?

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

That not all women are like that, and that you will find a nine that will love you for you. My only guess as to why he kept getting hitched and pumping babies into hoes was that he thought he would find a unicorn one day.

[–]combosplice 0 points1 point  (5 children)

If you don't mind explaining, what does the red pill argue against this? Does it argue that there is no such thing as a soulmate?

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain[S] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

The argument is that marriage used to work because of overwhelming societal pressure keeping women's sexuality mostly in check. Feminism removed those checks, so women act on their impulses now. Couple that with law enforcement and a family court system that is heavily biased against males, and the incentive is for women to marry and have children strictly for financial security. All a woman really has to do to win a divorce case is claim abuse, either to herself or to the children. She then claims alimony and child support. Look up the Duluth Model, and check this out: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/mar/11/woman-wins-right-seek-money-ex-husband-30-years-after-break-up-dale-vince

In short, the argument is that marriage is a deal heavily weighted against men.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Zsa Zsa Gabor was something of a pioneer in this, married 9 times, and died a couple of days ago. The difference between her and a man is that she gained from each one. A few of her sayings:

"A man is incomplete until he is married. Then he is finished."

"I am a marvelous housekeeper. Every time I get a divorce I keep his house."

"There is nothing wrong with a woman encouraging a man's advances, as long as they are in cash."

"How many husbands have I had? You mean apart from my own?"

(Just trying to cheer you up a bit. Sorry for your loss, man)

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

LOL. Zsa Zsa Gabor married a guy who overestimated the odds of her dying twenty years ago.

[–]mensafloyd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha! Which goes to show you, Zsa Zsa Gabo is Alpha as fuck. I'm still laughing.

[–]combosplice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the replies, I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. I'll be wary out there.

[–]Returnofthemack3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

lol 17 kids!? I dont even know what to say about that

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can understand why men get married out of fear of locking it down so they have access, but what always seems really weird are these financially successful guys who are also outgoing and charismatic - who will get married over and over again, and seem to always end up with the type who just completely clean them out. Did you say 17 kids... Was this guy the incarnation of Ghangis Khan?!

[–]Jakei34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you tell what your friend has told you about the kids he has been having? His thoughts on why he continued to do so and didn't get snipped or anything. I am genuinely curious...

[–]aazav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He had seventeen kids

?? Jesus, I would have had my vasectomy after kid 1.

Holy crap, that poor guy. I am sorry your friend got bled by the leeches and stuck in that poison mindset.

Getting married in America is a fool's errand if you're the man.

Wow. Cheers to your friend.

[–]victor_knight 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Was this because we developed technology to put a man on the moon way back in 1969 but even up to 2016 we can't seem to make a condom that feels like you're not wearing it?

[–]mensafloyd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, it's called aiming for the tits. It's not that hard.

[–]psyduck001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RIP, a drink to your memories.

[–]imbeciI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He did the best he could. He set an example for you.

Don't let it go to waste everything you have learned.

[–]thorcaligula 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm so sorry to hear this. Wishing the best for you and his family.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots of "crabs in a bucket here" cheering on like bluepill losers this guys death because he has "too many kids." Fuck off losers. This is really only a symptom of the fear that many guys have in here that they can never amount to enough.

The same guys cheering on this guy's death would have been putting a gun in their mouth after one failed family.

What are we cheering on the failure of chad and billy now? The fuck.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

17 kids? That guy became immortal already.

[–]0kool74 -3 points-2 points  (9 children)

Three wives.......ouch......but SEVENTEEN kids??? WTF. That's blue pill to the MAX!!!!!

[–]TattedGuyser 20 points21 points  (8 children)

No, that's doing what we're genetically designed to do: Procreate. The blue pills will be the men that these women sucker into raising these kids.

[–]writewhereileftoff 6 points7 points  (1 child)

In other news, condoms and vasectomies exist.

[–]0kool74 2 points3 points  (0 children)

in other other news he obviously didn't learn from his mistakes either.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Yup, this guy directly contributed to the human race more than 99% of all men. This is impressive.

[–]Dubalicious 9 points10 points  (1 child)

"Contributed" and "impressive" were definitely not the words that came to mind on this one

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Our two most primal instincts/objectives are procreation and self-preservation. He excelled at one but not so much at the other.

[–]mightyqueef 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Uh, I think there's enough people for now.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The problem is that there are plenty of humans, and not enough people.

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[–]BiteAndThrow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is it only now that you realize that the state has substituted the dad? That's why it's called daddy government.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry but this thing is just a horrible example for redpill. The only unjust and redpill related part of this story is the part about alimony and bitches having a scorched earth policy. Sorry your friend killed himself but this post doesn't belong here.