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Feminism claims man has built society, to design, rule, and use as a tool for oppression. They vastly underestimate the historical influence of women on shaping society and culture, for millennia – not within the workplace, but from home.

Arguably one of the only reasons man evolved from animal is that females developed selectivity in mating (discussed in length by JBP). We began to demand more of men, who grew upright, learned to work, make sacrifices, and built kingdoms and empires, for what? Power, yes, but ultimately, the highest quality women and offspring. Sexual demand for competent men transformed the world. 8,000 years ago, only one man was reproductively successful for every seventeen women, and in modern times, the global average is around one man to five women (source). Even online, a study on tinder reported that the top 20% of men are competing for the top 80% of women, and there are reports that women rate only the top 10% of men as “above average." Translation: we have high standards.

But what are those standards and how have they changed over time? Are they high enough? What are the consequences to culture?

Women have a monopoly on deciding which men get to pass their genes on. Men change rapidly to meet the demands of women, not for children specifically, especially when they’re younger, but certainly for the chance to get laid. As much as the MGTOW might want you to believe, men are still hardwired to desire reproduction, and if they aren’t successful, they’ve technically failed their evolutionary purpose.

It seems strange, then, that “good men” out there seem few and far between. But women have loosened their legs and their standards, and men can increasingly get away with a lot of shit and still get the girl – be a lousy boyfriend, never commit, have no career or ambition, or even lie in bars and online profiles. Women in the dating market often lament the quality of “men these days” while still rewarding those same men with sex. With an abundance of sexual opportunities and easy lays, there’s little motivation for men to get their act together unless they aim to land a truly top tier woman. Being single should not be preferable to being married, but for many men these days, it is. Married men as recently as the 1950s were the only ones getting in between any women’s legs, without resorting to prostitution and the lowest quality women. The risk was too high for women, who had a damn good reason to say no and mean it.

Many of you red pill women have done it – found a rare breed of confident, strong, good men. So have I. But to the women still out there searching for Mr. Right, especially if you’re sleeping with men, or dating men, or moving in with men who didn’t deserve it: stop. Continue to work on yourself, and become the best woman you can possibly be. Encourage other women to do the same. Then, raise your standards. If you sleep with men, even if you’re on birth control, you’re communicating to them that they deserve you. That he’s good the way he his. In all likeliness, he’s not. He’s not who he could be. And since sex is a man’s primary drive, if they are getting plenty of it without offering commitment, security, stability, strength, or ambition, he’ll never change. And the consequences to society and culture have been and will continue to be devastating.

This might sound extreme, but unless you can say you’re happy with the direction society is moving today, you bear the responsibility to help steer the course. We owe it to our future children to give them a good father, and we owe it to the future of our society to only let the good men pass on their genes as well as their virtues such as honesty and work ethic to the next generation.

Just something to think about. Happy Sunday :)


[–]merel--24 points25 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

I think this is a really pessimistic view...

It seems strange, then, that “good men” out there seem few and far between.

I dare to say I know more good men than "bad" men. Even guys I dated and it didn't work out doesn't mean they are bad guys or fuck boys. If every time you break up or don't continue dating a guy you make them the vilian then yeah, all men are pigs.

Most guys I know aren't unambitious or liars, most guys actually are good men...

[–]kittxxn3 Star[S] 12 points13 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I don’t mean to say all men are bad, so sorry if that was unclear. I was mostly caricaturing the women constantly complaining about there not being any good men out there. I think that it is absolutely true, though, that no man is as good as he could be, nor are women, and that by holding higher standards for ourselves and others, we can move society forward immensely. I also know so many good men! I am with a wonderful man and have tremendous respect for my exes. But I’m disheartened by the women I see putting up with men that with the right encouragement and motivation could be so much more.

Edit: I also wonder what your definition of a "good man" is. I can count on one hand the number of men I truly have immense respect for. I think more men could reach that threshold with the right encouragement.

[–]TheLaughingRhino 1 points [recovered]  (10 children) | Copy Link

When nearly all women say "There are no good men", they are referring to status, not character. Nearly all women pick to status first and foremost, which is why nearly all relationships fail. I'm not saying status issues don't matter, but they are pointless without looking at character first and foremost.

Women will also disassociate their own view of "good men" once they are in an end game commitment. If she's already married with kids, she can say X and Y and Z are good men, but likely they are men she would never date or marry or have children with herself. It also self validates her choice. If there are good men out there, it means by implication she already has one.

The "hamster" is part of the problem. When a woman is drawn into a man's status, then all his traits are seen as positive. Even bad ones or red flags.

There's a saying, women don't dress to impress men, they dress up to impress other women. I see men to them as the same. They don't just want any man, they want a man that their hated rivals WILL ENVY HER about because he is with her and not them.

Something that no one wants to talk about is being married or having kids or being in a LTR is a form of status that women use against each other. Hence why if a woman is unmarried or single long enough, it's seen as a status hit in the eyes of other women. The other problem is any single woman in their social group is now a threat to steal their husband or be a homewrecker.

Something to keep in mind that nearly all women want commitment from the same small archetype of man. While many will "settle" for someone else they'll blame and resent later, most are not aware that 80-85 percent of men out there are invisible to them.

When men hear "good men" they think of all men.

When women say "good men", they only mean the ones they find attractive ( probably only 5 percent of men, probably less) and the rest don't count for anything at all. Unless he's a mechanic, or a cop, or a lawyer or some other useful trade.

If a woman picks to anything other than character first and foremost, the relationship is doomed. Which is why nearly all relationships fail.

This is one of the hardest Red Pill anyone has to swallow, man or woman - That being a decent human being literally means nothing in the dating/mating game. Sometimes it's an interesting coincidence though but that's it.

[–]kittxxn3 Star[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Part of what I'm trying to do is change this. Mate selection shouldn't just be about money or power, it should be about the next generation - hence, picking men with strong values and ideals or "character" that they would teach their children. I also have advocated several times on this sub and in my personal life to choose a man with the work ethic, not the bank account, of a successful man. I'd choose a hard working lower class man over some kid who inherited daddy's trust fund without a callous on his hands any day.

If women continue choosing the wrong men, including many high status assholes, our society will continue downhill.

And it also depends on your definition of "decent human being." My man is not a "nice guy," because nice guys are harmless and weak. I need someone who is strong enough to bear the weight of the world with me. I take hard work, capacity for sacrifice, competence, intelligence, and honesty over "nice" every time. And it has nothing to do with any bank account.

[–]ZegiknieEndorsed Contributor0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I wish I could argue against this.

[–]BewareTheOldMan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"When women say "good men," they only mean the ones they find attractive..."

Apex Fallacy in its highest form.

@ u/TheLaughingRhino - nice write up. Lots of great talking points/RP nuggets of wisdom...especially the statement on selecting for character, integrity, and positive husband-father traits.

Attraction is a must as it is non-negotiable and naturally occurring - which is problematic when you consider there are women who "settle for someone else they'll blame and resent later."

Best practice is to leave these men alone so they can achieve true happiness and family with a much more appreciative and devoted woman - lots of guys getting blindsided on this basic aspect of relationships and marriage.

I'll add that men should do the same as well - select for character, integrity, and positive wife-mother traits...although with the possible exception of very few and very rare circumstances, it's difficult to imagine any man would marry a woman to whom he has zero attraction.

[–]merel--0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Oke... I was literally talking about ALL men, except for the small percentage that are just extremely lazy or manipulative from the core, also men I wouldn't date because they don't have the baseline requirements are GENERALLY SPEAKING good guys. There are a HUUUUUUUGE amount of high status men. I'm dating three of them at the moment. They are also all are kind, decent, good men with a great personality.

If my particular girlfriend is bitching about someone not being a good man its not because they are low status, she loves dating loser bartenders, it's because they are 'being soooo mean' aka they broke up with her, or ignored her for an hour or two.

I don't think you know how women think, at all.

[–]_infinite_Thoughts0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

What are your requirements??

[–]merel--1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Openness to experience, intelligence, ambition and they must really like me :D

[–]_infinite_Thoughts 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Could you go into a little detail about each, especially the "they must really like me" part. As far as that goes are you talking about texting/calling you every few days, complementing a lot, or giving you a lot of his attention?? Or what??

[–]merel--0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wanting to be in a relationship with me. The rest is pretty self explanatory.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Amen sister.

[–]merel--2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I personally only know one woman who views men this way until she falls in love again with some schmuck.

Don't think women who think this way will ever come to this sub, unfortunately...

[–]kittxxn3 Star[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You’re probably right.. I guess I’m just still trying to get the message out there. I encourage women I know to do the same. I’m trying to provide some deeper analysis of why the things RPW believe are so important. We all know we should have standards and expect commitment, but I think some readers might not grasp why these things matter.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree with much of what you're saying. However, if you're going to claim men 'could be better', and that women are putting up with poor quality men, I would like to point out that these women are not victims of poor quality men.

They have agency and can choose not to be with them. The men who have decent characters but not status often watch on the sidelines as attractive women give men with status (and often poor character) more attention. If she's lucky, she gets a desirable man who is also a decent guy. However, many of the women who lament the fact that men won't commit are angry that high status men won't commit. They have no incentive to, which comes back to your point that women should be saying no or taking time to vet first.

There's also the concept of 'good enough'. The women in that 80% you mentioned are not all high quality and unless they realise this, those goals of societal wide progress will stagnate. Additionally, by highlighting that one in x number of men vs women were sexually successful, and that women are targeting top men, mean men having multiple wives would accomplish the goal of giving women access to top quality partners.

This, however, goes against the desires of most women (and quite a few men), which means at some point she has to settle and be happy with what she can get. If she's not realistic about her expectations, she's going to be disappointed. Again, what incentive does a top quality man have to settle for an average woman offering sex?

As an aside, you said that the top 20% of men are competing for the top 80% of women. It should be the other way around as more women have to compete for fewer men :P

[–]kittxxn3 Star[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would never claim that women are victims of poor quality men, that's the opposite of what I'm saying. Women are to blame for all of this. I'm calling for women to choose not to be with these men, until the men get it together.

And some women might be happy with "good enough" but the point I'm making is that if as a collective, women improved themselves and then raised their standards, men would have no choice but to work towards self improvement.

The answer to your next point: stop being an average woman, and offer a lot more than sex.

[–]BewareTheOldMan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"...men who have decent character but not status often watch on the sidelines as attractive women give men with status (and often poor character) more attention."

As an aside - most men who come to realize and understand this behavior counteract this "problem" with continual self-improvement and personal development in all the major life categories. In this way he can become the High Value Man or at least a much better man that opens up selection and options with women he desires based off SMV/RMV.

In a way these so-called attractive women who offer time and commitment to basic jerks and losers force men toward self-improvement.

A noticeable trend, however, is that men - whether they improve themselves or not, are simply bowing out of the relationship race altogether. In short - they don't need the aggravation.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like a lot of men are fairly decent and that they just need a push!

[–]SentientApe14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I only have one issue with an otherwise brilliant distillation of our current societal stresses.

"As much as the MGTOW might want you to believe, men are still hardwired to desire reproduction, and if they aren’t successful, they’ve technically failed their evolutionary purpose."

MGTOW doesn't dismiss or disregard the biological facets of men. MGTOW is about recognizing the reality of the world around you and protecting yourself against negative influences of society (emotional, judicial, etc).

Most MGTOW are past the 'red pill rage' of dealing with women in our current culture and are usually in this mode because of 'divorce rape' (like myself).

We don't want to be 'involved' with women because of the legal consequences of a 10 year relationship gone awry.

(And for anyone wondering why I'm lurking in this sub; I'm here because I have hope that our society will wake up to the shear volume of emotional damage being inflicted on men. This sub has been great for restoring some of my faith that we are not fully doomed to fail.)

[–]ZegiknieEndorsed Contributor8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My husband says most of the worlds problems are because of womens poor taste. Think he's right.

[–]leftajar1 Star4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll add a word of encouragement: there is such little competition if you're a RPW. I live in a major Lefty city, and there is a vanishingly small number of marriageable women here. If you apply these concepts, you should be able to find and keep a good man.

[–]reddishrobin2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You do realise that for most of human history a woman had no choice of who her husband would be? In the West, it took the Catholic Church to ban forced marriages by requiring the bride's consent. In hunter gatherer societies a newborn girl could be promised to an adult male. In third world countries men still get wives by kidnapping and raping a woman then paying compensation to her family. In Africa men buy a wife with cows and pigs. In the Middle East and India, arranged marriages are the norm.

This myth of female sexual selection crafting human civilisation over hundreds of thousands of years needs to die.

[–]subgirl1825 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Love it, thanks for sharing x

[–]Mezails1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also there is that myth that men just used to rape women in the stone age instead of winning their consent. This is blatantly false. Rape wasn't an evolutionarily succesful strategy because women who were raped instead of consenting to carrying a man's child were resentful and angry and often abandoned or killed their offspring later.

[–]ivaerak-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

one of the only reasons man evolved from animal is that females developed selectivity in mating (discussed in length by JBP). We began to demand more of men, who grew upright, learned to work, make sacrifices,

Nice try. So why did females start to grow upright? Because of sheer power of will? lol

[–]merel--2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Because males who could walk upright were more attractive because they had a better chance of survival. So women picked the men who walked up right, so her offspring could walk upright until the whole of the species could walk upright.

This is basic evolutionary theory.

[–]ivaerak 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

better chance of survival

again, nice try. Survival has nothing to do with being on four legs or two feet. However it has to do with brain. You really believe males pushed themselves to their full potential only so they could fuck females that still walked on four legs?

[–]merel--1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You really believe males pushed themselves to their full potential

They didn't push themselves to be better than the rest, they were born better than the rest. Because of their superior genetics more females want to mate with them and they ain't gonna turn down free pussy. Doesn't matter if they walk on 2, 4 or 8 legs.

I'm not sure how walking on two feet helped humans get great but it obviously did because we now all walk on two feet.

[–]ivaerak 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

they were born better than the rest

Jesus fucking Christ.

[–]merel--0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Life is unfair, my dude

[–]joanananitf-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha good point, I laughed out loud reading this section. I realize OP refers to sexual selection, but it's misunderstood and simplified in a very funny way :)

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