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What went wrong? (self.asktrp)

submitted by Rkingpin

I was aloof when needed, never spoke about my feelings, kept lifting and used dread game from time to time.

When she wanted to become exclusive I didn't go forward with that, her demeanour changed (slower message replies, we stopped fucking). So I withdrew attention of course.

Things ended in an angry paragraph from her which I responded with a blunt two word reply.

No contact since.

RP concepts made me believe that my behaviour would keep her around yet it seems to have driven her away. (It's been about 2 weeks I think of no contact)

What went wrong here?


[–]Vouch33r354 points355 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

You acted like a computer program who executed red pill at all costs. It is normal that when you dont want to be her boyfriend, she will no longer chase you. You got what you wanted. Alpha Behavior will get you short term mating strategy. Pump and dump. You got it so be happy. If you want a girlfriend, then dont outright say no, but you have to agree eventually and she has to know about that possibility, at least subconsciously. And if you didnt want a gf but merely a plate - plates break eventually. Suck it up, next time you'll be smarter.

[–]Drawman1245 points46 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I'd give this shit a gold, if i had one.

[–]Vouch33r21 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

First time did my post get such an attention. Thank you. Trying to repay the RP as it gave me a new life :)

[–]Drawman126 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I had some questions which i didn't find an answer to. I was thinking about posting here, you answered them without me askin'. Thanks man

[–]Vouch33r5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good. Have a good day mate

[–]Drawman126 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

U too man, u too

[–]BurnieSlander5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I had an extra gold just laying around

[–]bigpapi69x1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You don’t own $5?

[–]BusterVadge50 points51 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck yeah man... We are not meant to be robots. Red Pill is a guideline and the map is not the territory.

If you want to keep a girl around you HAVE to throw her some beta stuff (comfort). My guess is that OP failed several comfort tests.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2226 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That being said dangle the carrot of the possibility of an LTR to increase the longevity of your plates. It works even better if you’re able to communicate this covertly instead of having “the talk”

[–]Zech4riah-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes, this is a way of guys who don't have options, have oneitis, are indecisive what they want etc. All the beta male stuff.

Prolonging the spin by giving false hope, aye...This is something that should be swiped to the black pill side altho it definitely can be used as a part of TRP toolbox and everyone can decide if they want to take the step to dark manipulative side.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2220 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

A naive and misinformed point of a view. I'm not going to report you, but you need to reread the sidebar before commenting further in the asktrp threads, lest you poison the minds of people trying to swallow the pill.

Sexual strategy is amoral, if your plate is a low SMV whore that you enjoy fucking on a regular basis but wouldn't even think to LTR, there's nothing wrong with wanting that low-investment fuck to continue. Your comment suggests you should be crashing plates on your own cause you can get more. Fuck that, let them crash on their own accord.

[–]Zech4riah1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

First of all sexual strategy being amoral isn't exactly true. Otherwise we would be raping people here and there so there is always a certain balance (at some point amorality will start hurting your sexual success in current cultural environment). Now the question is that where you draw the line (rape, fucking a wasted girl, lying to a girl to get her fuck you couple of times more) but I guess the consensus in this sub somewhere between fucking a wasted girl and lying to a girl to fuck her couple of times more.

But putting that aside; When it comes to being honest (forget about morality aspect here), there is an advantage to it when it comes to long term game. It's only a matter of your selection: short or long term happiness.

Short term happiness: Screw up people to get what you want short term but they will find out in the end and become resentful. Most likely they exit your life somewhat permanently (yeah, there is always exceptions).

Long term happiness: Lose a girl for awhile but she will keep coming back because she knows that you are a trustworthy alpha male who doesn't need to play games.

So in my opinion, doing the things hard way is the way to keep girls around in your life long term and that's worthwhile pursuing.

If this/these posts are reportworthy, I'm happy to get banned from here because it seems to be useless to try to make this place less of an echo chamber.

PS. Just to be clear, I'm talking about lying here which I believe you suggested (dangle the carrot of the possibility of an LTR). Not promising exclusivity or committing is whole another thing.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2221 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah i see the confusion. I didn’t mean lie to them, just don’t explicitly state they don’t have a chance with you was what i was referring to, followed by suggesting that showing that with action is more powerful, ie. talking with other girls/Eyeing other girls in her presence etc.

Also, I’ve brought plates a long way by saying if they put forth the effort and become someone I’d consider relationship material I’d LTR them, knowing there’s a 99% chance they will fail. But I’m being truthful nonetheless. Unicorns are made not found. Train your bitches.

[–]Zech4riah1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then we are in agreement, sorry about misunderstanding.

[–]Rkingpin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes I didn't want her as a gf for several reasons.

With that in mind i did enjoy an alpha fucks situation so you are correct

[–]Shittybillyall105 points106 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

She wanted to be exclusive you did not. Done and done. Not every girl wants to remain plate status

[–]nantucketghost31 points32 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

^ This. It's actually just this simple. She wanted you to be exclusive to her, you said no. She wasn't up for that and willing to be a plate.

That's a plate you marry. She has standards and stuck to them.

[–]Rkingpin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Too many red flags for "marry" candidate in this case

[–]Rkingpin 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

If she was wife material trust me i wouldn't be posting this.

She didn't pass my vetting process for commitment

[–]KilluaKanmuru6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well then there you go. What RP values and why it works so well is because it forces you to be clear with what you want and to go after that with minimal negotiations. That clarity is attractive.

[–]Scorchyy7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It just means she’s smart and has RPW game, if she stayed as a plate you would technically be the winning one and she’d be giving free sex, she’s just smarter than that. Your reaction was perfect though, you mastered the red pill, you showed no attachment and didn’t try to go after her, that in itself is better than most guys and you should be proud of it. Now she’ll probably go whine to her friends that all men are asshole.

[–]Rkingpin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

RPW know how to inspire commitment from a man, this one had an entitled attitude towards it

[–]FwoGiZ9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Bah not sure about that...
I have a feeling if he was Brad Pitt, she'd still be totally fine being a plate ;)

[–]ShutArkhamCityDown10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There aren’t a lot of Brad Pitt’s tho

[–]omega_dawg9310 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

and he's now divorced...

[–]ShutArkhamCityDown5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Incoming plate record

[–]Killmepls201860 points61 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Too much alpha, she hasn't invested enough in you emotionally. Don't view things too red pulled, sometimes it's just normal human interaction.

[–]Rkingpin13 points14 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

she hasn't invested enough in you emotionally.

Or I didn't reciprocate the emotion enough? I didn't feel any

[–]russiantrolldoll14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’ve gotta push and pull. Just make sure you’re always winning a little bit so that you’re not being dragged around.

[–]TalkingToMyselff17 points18 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Recently had things fizzle out with a solid 9. At the start she would always text me, how was your exam how was..., snap me random dumb stuff. I was short with her and didnt reciprocate much and shorty after when we first had sex she got distant.

In this experience, I learned I need to reciprocate a bit more if i want to keep the girl around. Give them that shot of dopamine when they hmu or snap. Be mostly aloof but dangle the carrot a bit more and try to maintain the illusion that you could be that guy. Strict rp tactics will get you laid but you gotta pull a little or the plate wont spin. Trp is a toolbox but you gotta live n learn to mold your game.

[–]lookoutitscaleb3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Or maybe you're just bad at the sex.

[–]eddielovett2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A lot of people gloss over this possibility. If you’re fucking a woman well (which is exceedingly rare), she becomes addicted to the feeling and wants it all the time. Women are generally deprived of alpha fucks and do not let go easily once they get a taste.

[–]lookoutitscaleb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right.

[–]Rkingpin0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Pass your girl over to me and we'll see about that pal 😂

[–]lookoutitscaleb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Which one?

[–]Datanami1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do you care then

[–]xKo1718 points19 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

If you out-alpha they will begin to think you do not care for them enough or express enough emotions. I honestly just learned this a few months ago, I am 21. Was in your same exact position and made the same exact mistake. In hindsight it sucked for awhile but on to the next.

Edit: You did not want to be exclusive. Only after the fact when you realized what you think you are missing out on do you think you want to be exclusive. She does not just want to be fwb.

[–]TFWnoLTR9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only after the fact when you realized what you think you are missing out on do you think you want to be exclusive.

This is a solid truth that can't be repeated enough. I've been through it so many times yet still fall for it after a split. You can be completely miserable with someone or just completely disinterested in a long term commitment, but after a hard split you'll look back with rose colored glasses.

[–]Velebit3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is so true... the 'alpha' advice is mostly coming from the promiscuous and older guys focused on pump and dump and sex for the sake of sex.

However it is probably better this guy lost her as if he was actually interested in her, he would have broke the 'alpha' bs thing for her.

[–]xKo173 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Pump and dump does not cut it for me. Useless, meaningless sex should not be the objective unless they are an 8 or greater. I usually have the most fun with a woman in a 1-3 month relationship. Once you know what they like and vice versa, than each can benefit from each other mutually. It’s to hard to date in college so I tend to stick to short relations. I just learned this information and began living it. Maybe if you haven’t had your share of women then yea go play the PUA game but otherwise I would not advice it.

[–]Velebit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What is your point? You are not really monogamous so trying to portray it as something wholy different is a big strech and the 'unless you sre an 8 or greater' is such a retarded statement.

I mean idk why are you even trying to give me a counterargument since I agreed with you... even less so by randomly throwing out weird and wrong conclusions.

[–]lookoutitscaleb2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's why I tell all my bitches from day one

"I'm a peacock, you gotta let me fly!"

[–]Rkingpin0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is exactly it. She didn't pass my vetting process to commit.

However she lives locally and has good logistics for fucking, so yeah a man does miss having easy nuts.

[–]xKo170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Heard that man, all to familiar. I really want to make a post on TRP about this topic because I see it so often but I do not have enough karma or my account is to new.

[–]Psychological_Radish32 points33 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How do you expect us to give a proper assessment with no background or context? There just isn't enough detail here.

Speaking in general terms, Alpha fucks are short term by definition. I don't understand what the problem is, because it seems you didn't like her enough to want to go exclusive anyway. Many girls will walk away at that point. You can't keep plates around forever.

If you wanted to keep her around for a potential LTR, then you fumbled things by being too short with her. Girls need to believe you're attainable for them. The proper response would have been something to the effect of "I'm not ready for an exclusive relationship right now, but I wouldn't rule anything out in the future. I really enjoy spending time with you and would like to keep seeing you."

If you really don't feel that way, though, then it isn't right to tell her what she wants to hear just so you can keep tapping that.

[–]Vouch33r5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao our responses are so similar. Cheers bro

[–]rAFCdadHUSBAND0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes it does sound like he wss pretty brutal. Does anyone else think the girl might come back for some chad in the future simply because he was such a hardarse?

[–]floresw436 points37 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Jesus you don’t have to act like a red pill robot unlike what some on this sub would have you think. Acting like a human being doesn’t immediately stamp “BETA” on your forehead

[–]DrizzlyShrimp3612 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m legitimately happy to see responses like this on this thread. We need to factor in common sense a little more in this sub IMO.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your view is exactly where OP went wrong.

“The red pill” is not “be alpha to win. Betas are losers”. TRP is the reality of intersexual dynamics, a fundamental pillar of which is “women have a dual sexual strategy: they want alpha for sex and beta for provision, and they change which side of the strategy they prioritise over time”.

Newbies dont read enough rational male to understand that women also want the dependable beta provider, and that at some stages in their period cycle or life, they do prioritise pairing up with a dependable provider over getting the tingles.

The shortcut “alpha=good and beta=bad so be alpha” is a mistake that is easily made because it’s way simpler than figuring out “when, why and how to express alpha or beta traits to your advantage”.

[–]rAFCdadHUSBAND0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe the Married man sex life primer by Athol kay endorses using both alpha and beta qualities to full effect... within the context of marriage, of course. Ymmv

[–]theherosmyth6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Especially the aloof thing. What do you get together and sit there like you’re Clint Eastwood?

Be aloof when the “where is this going” talk comes up. But when you’re hanging out, just be a fun guy, laugh, pull her into your frame, your reality.

[–]neoda17 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Trust me the red pill robots arent even doing much with the girls or anything. they are just more talk then action.

[–]Vouch33r1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd say you're right altough I'd advise being careful with that

[–]ALLTHEUSERNAMESRFUKI7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's important to mention that again, you were too Alpha, thus you succeeded in what being an Alpha accomplishes: pump and dump. If you honestly want a long-term relationship, you have to be both Alph and Beta. Ex. You have to pull the chick, but also be able to raise the damn kids and be there emotionally for her.

[–]DaddyIssues65 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

She wanted exclusivity but you didn’t, whats the problem here? Didn’t you achieve what you practiced for?

[–]awalt_cupcake6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm starting to get the impression we don't know what we really want.

We start out wanting to bang sluts because we're hurt or angry. Then after that's under your belt you don't know what you want because you never thought you'd get past that. I want an LTR now but the girls I approach reaffirm I really shouldn't. But the juice aint worth the squeeze I have better things to do now. MGTOW seems reasonable until you're horny and then remember it's your responsibility to fulfill your biological needs.

Damned if you do damned if you don't.

[–]mustard512 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It seems to have gone perfectly well. Both of you drew a line in the sand concerning your expectations and given that you couldn't come to terms, the relationship concluded.

Do you think you would have benefited from compromising yourself?

[–]-saltymangos-6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

she wanted to have you and you didn’t want to have her, long term.

plain and simple. she tried and you didn’t budge. this is obviously a good strategy if you want to fuck girls and not have any feels if they break, but a shit one if you want a LTR (obviously).

[–]TheStumblingWolf4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People aren't robots where you can set up "if <...> then <...>" statements and control their behavior. You need to learn outcome independence so this sort of stuff doesn't matter to you.

[–]RedPillAlphaBigCock8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can treat good quality girls a bit better with more comfort

Girls with high self esteem (rare) can see through dickhead game - just be cool mayn

[–]keelo442 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like this girl was a potential LTR & not a plate to you, otherwise her cutting contact shouldn’t matter at all. You treated her like a plate and used her until she broke, plain & simple. If you wanted to date her eventually then you should’ve gave her a little more hope instead of just going straight red pill on her when she started wondering about a relationship.

Your red pilled to a fault if you couldn’t see what went wrong here.

[–]red_matrix3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

OP what did you want - a girlfriend or a plate?

[–]Divine_Instrument7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Girls do this. 2 weeks isn’t a long time. She wanted beta and exclusivity and you wouldn’t give it to her so she’s out looking for a beta while also applying some dread to you because she’s “gone.” Stay no contact until she reaches out and she will probably come back. If not give it 4-6 months and reach out. If and when she does come back titrate in just a very tiny amount of comfort and Beta here and there. On your terms of course, not when she demands it.

Keep in mind, plates do break. You may not have done anything wrong. She just wanted a boyfriend and you didn’t want to be one. Case closed.

[–]mismm2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hm, plates break, that's why they are called plates. And they usually do so when the plate wants to stop spinning, ie, wants commitment.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's honestly a balancing act. I guess that's why they say spin plates. You went too alpha. The thing is that women will accept different levels of that.

If your goal is LTR then it's a numbers game. You really have to find the woman that fits you like a puzzle piece. Some one that compliments your life and you compliment hers. And there's not just one woman that will do that. There's millions. So learn what you did wrong, correct it, and try again with someone else.

[–]omega_dawg932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

if you're under 25, why worry? you didn't want to be exclusive, so get more plates and enjoy your youth.

you'll have time to get all serious about this later (post 32).

[–]faissaloo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP literature puts too much emphasis on alpha game because most everyone is trying to become a hypermasculine man-slut. Be more beta if you want a lasting relationship.

[–]awalt_cupcake2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bro checkout an article of mine called "She wants Monogamy when her pussy isn't getting her what she wants" in my trp forum post history.

Girls get a harem of guys and reach for the highest before she gets knocked all the way down to the one that does finally commit. She got to your peg and you knocked her down by refusing to commit. She went down to the next peg and etc. Finally someone got her and she's a loyal girlfriendTM for now. She's hurt too. Her ego said she could have it all but when she reached for the top she fell hard. So being a girlfriend is the right thing to do which includes shutting the door on you. Ghost. She may come knocking in about 5 months or more.

[–]CodyCodeine-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hi cupcake friend

[–]seedster57 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Jesus this is what's wrong with the red pill. It's turned into stupid MGTOW. Red pill is about shit tests and comfort tests. It's to give you the knowledge on how to survive modern relationship with the sexual revolution. What you did was treat your girl like a human sex toy. He'll I should take out the human part. You don't treat your bros like that.

[–]phareux2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Facts

[–]Zech4riah1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Only misunderstood TRP concepts made you believe that.

Only unknowledgeable trp guys made you believe that.

When the girl talks about commitment for the first time, the relationship has hard expiration date. It depends of the girl how long it is. It may be 2 weeks, it may be 6 months.

The guys who keep bragging about plates they have had for years (after the commitment talk), keep them around machvellian style (giving false hopes about commitment, throwing a bigger bone once awhile etc.). You kept your frame and behaviour congruent and respected her as a human being. The down side is that she got frustrated and left. The positive side is that she left because of frustration - not because loss of attraction which means that you can get her back later.

Now, wait for 4-6 months (if she doesn't contact you) and after that time send her a casual message and ask how she is doing etc and if it seems good, try to arrange a date if she doesn't have BF etc. If she agrees, continue where you left. Meanwhile game other girls and expand your roster.

PS. TRP never tells you not to talk about ANY feelings. Only the negative ones and/or in negative way which make you seem weaker.

[–]Rkingpin0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Finally a response which acknowledges that my "robot" behaviour actually showed respect. I did not lie and promise exclusivity.

This is all spot on appreciate this info.

[–]Zech4riah0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I base my actions on honesty and I can be proud of my results and enjoy them 100% only when I'm honest.

It's a game style of losers to keep girls around by manipulating girls. Keep working, get your SMV up and keep girls around honestly. When you are high value man, the girls will keep coming back after they have dumped their temporary disney boyfriend.

Many here disagree with me, bitch me about my "white knight" or "beta male mindset/morale" but personally I just think that this is the true way to be successful with women even tho it's harder. I pick the harder route because I can and I can take it and the prize in the end will be bigger.

[–]dtyler862 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are humans. Humans don’t like their time being wasted unless they’re getting something g out of it. You got what you wanted, she didn’t. Game over.

My biggest personal rule is: if you have to ask, you care more than you realize.

[–]recon_johnny0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone's said about the plate v. gf, which is true.

However, there's the Push and Pull you have to master.

That dynamic is key to maintaining attraction and interest. Keep Pushing all the time, and she will do what happened...she thinks you don't want her. Pull a few times, and she'll be invested.

[–]steppenwolfofwallst0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is an area that tripped me up in the past. The bottom line is that you have to balance power/aloofness with making her feel good. As long as she knows you're alpha and you regularly hold frame, you absolutely should show emotion, feel emotion, and even express it. There's a reason guys who are good with women are called "sweet talkers" and "charmers." The way you describe this, it sounds like you came across as either boring, dumb (a two-word reply?), or even autistic (never spoke your feelings?).

I told two girls they were hot the other day. Now, if they saw me as some needy beta, that would have been bad. But, both of these women know other women want me, they know I am actively talking to other women, and both are angling for exclusivity. So in this case, telling them they are hot is a huge dopamine hit to the brain. If I just sat back and didn't engage them or get them feeling something, they'd be gone by now.

[–]Jsieijejeieokkd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good answers here, my only addition is that Push-Pull only works if you pull sometimes.

[–]Narcofunk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Been there too recently.. If it's anything like my case, she had options, and you were one of them. She moved on to the next guy and you should move on with your other options. She might contact you back at some point. Or maybe not, does it really matter? Stick to the plan, you didn't necessarily do something wrong.

[–]maljo240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are learning about TRP. It has its limitations.

[–]1walawalawa0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is where congruency is vital to understanding the Red Pill. Guys when they first learn game see it as a super-power. Then the girl starts to poke holes into it aka shit-test.

If you don't believe what in what you're doing you're only acting and then something like what you described will happen. If all that happened and you didn't care...then you would be fully Red Pilled.

You're experiencing what many of us did...a misalignment between your thoughts and actions. Red Pill isn't a set of actions it's a set of beliefs...a mindset.----Game is the set of actions that deliver the results.

[–]Rkingpin 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You never know, maybe I don't care much at all but made this post for educational purposes for the lurkers😉

[–]1walawalawa-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Stop fucking around here. Your post got 70+ responses, if you're just trolling for attention for "educational purposes" save the space for guys who really need advice and help jackass.

[–]Rkingpin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Relax. I respect the red pill, I could never really commit to this girl.

She's only 18 but already "insecure" ( her own words) after what I assume to be several pumps and dumps.

[–]OfficerWade0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There’s two sides to the game but most wont talk about it.

You have to stop being too cool for school. If you think she’s asking you to be exclusive in desperation, or lack of abundance you are dead wrong. She dangled a carrot in front of you and the universe is using the stick approach. I Hope you can repair this, friend.

[–]UnbreakableFrame0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Everyone keeps saying something along the lines of "she wanted exclusivity and you didn't.", but that's clearly not the case or the issue at hand. The issue (and the reason you posted this) is actually this: you wanted exclusivity (or at least some form of LTR) and pretended you didn't, so when she left, you became upset. If the first statement was true, this post wouldn't exist. It's not true and therefor we are here discussing this topic. Being alpha isn't about having no feels. Being alpha is about getting what you want out of life. If you want to be exclusive with a girl, you can do that. You just have to do it within your frame and on your terms.

You were actually operating under a form of covert contract. "If I pretend I don't want you, you will want me more." That's not alpha. It's a form of LARPing out an otherwise alpha concept, which reads more like this: "Just because I'm uninterested in committing to you that doesn't necessarily mean you won't continue to want to be sexual with me." You were trying to feign indifference to commitment as a means to secure her loyalty and continued interest in you. That's simply not a healthy strategy and that's NOT a correct understanding of the RP concept you are trying to apply.

[–]Rkingpin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

More like it's convenient having local girl with good smashing logistics.

She's only 18 and showed signs of having a promiscuous past.

I'm 20, didn't wanna commit to a former hoe

[–]rAFCdadHUSBAND0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

+1 "I KEPT LIFTING"

-i think the OP hasn't got enough credit here yet-

+1 Made a plan to be Alpha and follow redpill to.the.letter. Overshot, but holy shit it's refreshing to read "wuz 2 Alpha" instead of "i wuz such nice wut hap'n?"

+1 for holding the line and executing said plan.

+1 if he learns to calibrate better in the next relationship.

Possible -1 for whining.

[–]Rkingpin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair play

[–]rAFCdadHUSBAND0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

We need to know the age of the girl ...

Boy wants to fuck.

22yo gf wants to fuck get knocked up and be a mom with a father who will be present, hopefully. Make her mother proud.

32yo single mother of 2.3 kids just wants to fuck.

Men sometimes forget that sex is about reproduction for the girl, it's a deep seated biological drive that may carry a lot more weight than your 'game'. I can read about game from books, her game is HARDWIRED IN EVERY STRAND OF HER DNA.

This may be what actually went wrong.

[–]Rkingpin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She's 18 and told me herself she's "damaged goods" lmao. She was very needy/clingy. My guess is this is due to insecurity after several pumps and dumps.

I'm 20. Didn't want to be exclusive to a girl with a promiscuous past at that young age.

[–]INNASKILLZ2K180 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You have to work out what YOU want...and how to play it by YOUR terms. Do YOU want a LTR, or pump and dumps?

To me, pump and dumps and plates are good...but it gets old after a while.

The real aim of pump and dumps, in early phase...is about developing yourself, losing g neediness, losing approval seeking, pedestals, all that stuff. Working on YOU.

After these mindframes have been integrated, you can work with more long term sorta relationships...but you can do them on your terms, and keeping your frame.

Girls still want you to display those alpha traits...but like others have said...add some comfort. Enjoy them, while they last...it's more fulfilling than pump and dumps...but maintain your deeper beliefs, it's on your terms.

And make sure she is always meeting your needs, and offer comfort as a reward.

[–]INNASKILLZ2K180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Make a firm decision that she qualifies for you giving her a little more comfort and commitment...don't fall into her frame...

For me...if it is a girl I approve...then I tell all she's done right...and if she keeps doing those things...yeah...I'll give her a bit more...

Then keep holding your frame, and boundaries. Don't lose everything and fall into a whole different frame...or you'll lose what attracted her in the first place.

[–]sonnydanger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You went full alpha mode, which works when you actually have an abundance of broads 24/7. But in this case, i'm assuming she was your main piece so it was inevitable that it would fail. Also, don't take redpill word by word, at the end of the day redpill is a toolbox, use the right tools for the job.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sperg-like typing detected.

This is about becoming more attractive, not a concise series of buttons you push to mind-control every chick.

[–]phareux-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She will probably hit you up in a couple of weeks, then you can just hit her with “do u wanna hook up just for fun?”

[–]SmartAdhesiveness-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How can anybody answer what went wrong if you don’t say what you wanted out of the relationship?

[–]fromnj32-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She's an adult and you're an idiot who takes the advice of redditors whose experience with women is limited to when they checkout at their local grocery store. I am late to this thread but damn you need to hear it.

[–]FwoGiZ-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not enough info to give a proper assessment but
I'd say things could have gotten wayyyy worst without RP! She prolly needs someone to nag, to bitch at and stuff and obviously you were not gonna put up with that BS so you dodged a bullet bro.

It could also be something you did too much, not enough, not the right way, not at the right time....

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