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FIELD REPORTThank you and goodbye (self.RedPillWomen)

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Hi everyone! I wanted to say thanks to all the amazing women (and I know there are a few guys thrown in) of this sub. This community has been an amazing and life changing resource and I’m so grateful I found it two years ago. It brought me from a very dark place of going down a bad road and not knowing any better, because I’d fallen for so much blue pill garbage, and it took me to a place of understanding the truths of gender dynamics and of my own natural strengths and weaknesses as a woman.

It taught me how to enhance and leverage my feminine strengths and avoid the weaknesses so that I can truly be a valuable asset to a high quality man instead of a liability. And first and foremost, it taught me that there are other women out there like me, who hate this modern day “women are perfect and can do no wrong” garbage and who want to be responsible for their own actions. I live in a very liberal area so this community was a welcome relief :)

With that said, I’m leaving this sub and Reddit as a whole. The hyper feminazi ridiculousness of this website as a whole drives me crazy, the red pill oriented subs are a breath of fresh air in that respect. But lately even these subs have been doing me more harm than good mentally. I don’t enjoy listening to hypocritical guys tell women to stay virgins til marriage when they have an entire post history full of gay “white boy extinction” porn. That was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. But I also don’t enjoy bitter incels treating women like the devil, or ridiculous arguments between catty women over the most minuscule things. For me, part of being an RPW is being an optimistic “goddess of fun and light” and it’s very hard to do that when you’re surrounded by bitter keyboard warriors, so I’ve chosen to delete my account at the end of this weekend. Many of you are probably more resilient to that stuff than me and if so, please keep it up, this sub is so necessary for reshaping perspectives.

Once again, thank you so much to this sub for all your help. I’m leaving the website but not the red pill lifestyle. I couldn’t have gotten where I am without the support and thought provoking conversations in this community! If you’ve read this far, I do have one request! If you have any awesome books or YouTube videos you can recommend for me to stay up on my content I would love to hear them! I’ll be checking comments for the requests for another two days or so before I vanish. :)


[–]Wolfssenger13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It sounds like a prudent move. Whether social media, even less controlling ones like reddit, are a net good is still something I'm very dubious of.

Your mindset seems healthy, and it certainly is grating to deal with some of the...less palatable people.

As for any youtube suggestions, Jordan Peterson, Entrepreneurs in cars, Blonde in the Belly of the Beast, Lauren Southern and the like are all one's I'd reccomend.

My only advice would be to cultivate a group of friends who are not completely like minded and who are capable of having high level anayltical discussion. It will be a much richer substitute than most anything you'd find intellectually engaging on reddit.

I wish you the best. Godspeed my friend.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you very much for the advice! Much appreciated :)

[–]ArcticFoxBunny2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Smart move. I’m not sure what happened, but this sub used to be more organic and collaborative. And fun. Lately it’s overrun by certain power users. I’ve been getting harrassed for writing brief comments because I don’t have time to write a thesis on the topic while at work. More than one person has acted like they are grading my comment and act mad that I can’t write paragraphs because I have stuff to do. To me that’s taking a sub way too seriously. And it’s not that fun either. Stuff here has gotten about preserving the narrative, which is only helpful if it’s 100% accurate; but even mentioning realities that are unrelated to rp is triggering. I dunno I’m stepping back too.

[–]canyousmellechidna7 points8 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I have had to take a break from reddit as well cause of a lot of the toxic people in the red pill subs.

Glad to hear RPW has helped you!! I love the information here and all the friendly users.

I’ve noticed there are a lot of hypocrites in these subs, but I try to pay them no mind. “Stay a virgin til marriage” but they’re most likely not virgins themselves. Also, internet people are A LOT different from real life people. I have had many conversations with people outside of social media, and many people seem to prefer a partner with experience (not TOO much generally) and someone who knows what they want.

Also, if your person of romantic interest is really interested in you for the long term, they will not care about your number. It’s all about how you carry yourself and your actions as an individual. Actions speak louder than words always.

I have dated 4 guys before my current boyfriend and it doesn’t bother him one bit, as he has dated 7 people before me. He thinks I am wife material due to my personality and nature- for him, personality is first and then looks. As you know, someone can be hot looking but not very kind, empathetic, or nurturing. Or feminine.

[–]BewareTheOldMan7 points8 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

“Stay a virgin til marriage” but they’re most likely not virgins themselves.

This advice is most likely based in the idea and the ideal when BOTH men and women married in their very early 20s as was formerly the case as opposed to many folks who now marry in their mid to late 20s (and for some their early 30s).

Preserving virginity is practical advice and not so far-fetched...assuming BOTH parties are very young, in sync, and on track with genuine interest and attraction for each other, great compatibility, shared life goals, and shared life-interests. That - and assuming BOTH parties are SERIOUS about marriage, family, and lifetime commitment.

"...if your person of romantic interest is really interested in you for the long term, they will not care about your number."

I submit most men have concern about a woman's number of partners and overall sexual history. The issue is when N-Count is high or incredibly high as is the case with some women. Example - there was a woman on one of the relationship (SubReddit) forums who spent her undergrad, graduate years, and PhD study years accumulating an N-Count of over 200 partners and experimenting with recreational drugs - seven to eight years in all. She asked a bunch of internet strangers if she should reveal this information to potential suitors or a prospective husband.

This woman's base inquiry and anonymity the internet offers reflects the shame and embarrassment of her behavior. If she were proud of her sexual past, she would have NO PROBLEM revealing the truth to any potential suitor - Period.

There's an issue when this and similar women still consider themselves as a catch. The example for this woman is extreme, but there are women who have a 28-40 plus N-Count who outright lie and worry that men will discover their past.

All this - which leads to your continued point - "It’s all about how you carry yourself and your actions as an individual."

There's truth in this statement as women with very low N-Count do much better than promiscuous women in follow-on relationships assuming all the positive characteristics and traits of femininity, loyalty, respect for their partner, personal integrity, and demonstrated wife and exceptional mother potential is present. Promiscuous and emotionally damaged women can "pretend" and fake these traits in the short-term but have trouble sustaining these same traits over the long-term. I've seen this play out enough times. It's virtually impossible to hide one's true, core personality - that goes for men as well.

On this - "many people seem to prefer a partner with experience (not TOO much generally) and someone who knows what they want."

Sexual experience is unnecessary, but genuine attraction, enthusiasm, and open willingness to please one's partner are basic must-haves. Is seems as if people use the "preference for someone with sexual experience" as justification to engage sexual activity or to seem hip with current dating trends. When I say this in discussion with others men are usually in agreement, but most women express a different sentiment.

A man or woman with sexual experience does not mean the next person will receive the benefit of that "experience." There are numerous relationship and marriage forums filled with folks who were previously promiscuous but have little to no sexual interest in their mate/spouse. This issue mostly affects men. Some of these men are in fact very aware of a woman's history yet confused on the overwhelming lack of post-marriage sexual activity because the woman basically pulled a fast one/Bait and Switch scam...great, crazy, and amazing sex to "lock in" marriage, but virtually no sex post-marriage.

Good points overall, but simply adding more perspective...

[–]loneliness-inc0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Very well said, especially the last paragraph!

Sexual experience is unnecessary, but genuine attraction, enthusiasm, and open willingness to please one's partner are basic must-haves. Is seems as if people use the "preference for someone with sexual experience" as justification to engage sexual activity or to seem hip with current dating trends. When I say this in discussion with others men are usually in agreement, but most women express a different sentiment.

The reason men and women have different viewpoints on this matter is because men are speaking from their own preferences and the preferred woman for marriage is a virgin. Experience is unnecessary, all you need is sexual attraction and a desire to pleas your partner.

The only place where sexual experience is a plus in a woman is in a casual sex relationship. Because you're only in it for the sex and only in the short term, you don't want to "learn the ropes" together. You just want to do your business and go. Hit it and quit it, bang 'em and clang 'em, pump 'em and dump 'em.

Women OTOH, often conflate SMV and RMV in this regard. Sexual experience is good for SMV but bad for RMV because a high N-count is bad for RMV. Add to that the fact that women are human beings and therefore want to be accepted for who they are and you have the erroneous thought that the past is the past and the past doesn't matter.

[–]BewareTheOldMan1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

"Hit it and quit it, bang 'em and clang 'em, pump 'em and dump 'em."

I'm literally laughing out loud. Don't forget - smash and pass!

But seriously - the fact these phrases are hilarious to most men is an indicator of how little respect men have for women who fit this category.

It's the reason you hear promiscuous women proclaim "the past is the past" and "N-Count doesn't matter." Women who make these statements say this for THEIR benefit - not men's. No one can ever explain how a woman having sex with 50+ men benefit a prospective husband.

The general argument used is the husband receives the "benefit" of all her sexual experience, but reality is by the time a woman who's been engaging sexual activity since age 16, over a 15-year period, and with over 50+ men she's seriously burned out and useless as someone's wife much less someone's mother.

There is the VERY RARE possibility that a formerly promiscuous woman could truly be a dedicated wife and mother, but smart men won't gamble their future with this type of woman - FULL STOP.

[–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

but reality is by the time a woman who's been engaging sexual activity since age 16, over a 15-year period, and with over 50+ men she's seriously burned out and useless as someone's wife much less someone's mother.

Why is this? Genuine question. What is it that changes in a woman that makes her useless as a wife and mother? Men marry women regardless, so what do these relationships look like that is different than the counterparts?

[–]BewareTheOldMan5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Others will disagree, but I see this as offering cheap, easy sex to men who don't deserve the honor and privilege of a woman's time, much less access to her body.

Keep in mind there are women who are low N-Count non-virgins, but understand the importance of fidelity, loyalty, and lifetime dedication to a Good Man.

Even if a woman made a mistake with a basic jerk, many men can work past this...assuming a woman learns from the mistake and becomes a great wife and mother to the next man; however, it makes no sense to continue selecting Bad Boys, jerks, and lowlifes well into later years only to seek the Beta Male/Nice Guy backup plan when everything else has met with abject failure.

Example - this video where a never-married, Single Mother in her 40s FINALLY decided she wants a Good Man in her life. That's a decision and common-sense realization should have been come to years earlier.

YouTube Video - "Women Want the "Nice Guy" After Dealing With The Bad Boy"

The better commentary/interview starts about 5:45 with the viewer understanding this woman's life-errors at about 23:00. There's no need to review the entire video, but it's evident this woman, albeit pretty, at age 44 is low value. Smart men will avoid her and her baggage. She learned life's lessons way too late. The comments are savage.

This is one of the nicer comments by
redpilllifesaver: "Women don't regret the men they dated in the past...They regret the men they can't get in the present."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvsqRXLXfUo

[–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So is the saying "you can't turn a whore into a housewife" only about men's feelings about her (former) promiscuity?

I thought it implied that the woman was somehow 'broken' ( in some way that I do not understand) and unable to make the transition to being a wife & mother.

/u/loneliness-inc

[–]loneliness-inc0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can only speak about men's feelings on the matter. From many conversations and observations over the years - my conclusion is in the comment above.

Whether they're intrinsically broken or not is a question for a psychologist. I have my reasons to think so, but I'd leave that for the professionals to determine based on real data.

[–]loneliness-inc0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This question gets asked a lot and seems to be a sore point in this sub. In addition to what u/bewaretheoldman already said, I'll add my 2 cents.

There are several factors at play here. The combination of all the factors will piece together like a puzzle. We're really working backwards, trying to understand something that's not necessarily logically driven. A woman with a high N-count is sexually disgusting to men. How high is high will vary from man to man, but what's clear is that each new addition to her notch belt, decreases her sexual value in the eyes of men. Now we can attempt to apply some logic to this.

  1. Men are human doings, women are human beings.

  2. Women have intrinsic value, men have extrinsic value.

  3. Women begin their lives with maximum sexual value and decrease from there, men begin their lives with minimal sexual value and (hopefully) increase from there.

  4. Youth and fertility are desirable in women.

  5. Pristine condition is the preferred condition for women. Virginity has traditionally been something that men expected from women.

  6. The more partners a woman has, the more statistically likely she is to divorce.

Combine all these factors and it makes sense. A kissless virgin is like a clean slate and most likely to bond with her man. A woman who had sex with a few men may still have the ability to be a good wife. A woman who slept with many men - to her, you're nothing special at all. You're just another dick. She's worn out to some degree or another. Therefore, her RMV is in the tank.

A high N-count woman also has a higher risk of carrying STD's and the thought of ten miles of cock having run through her is disgusting to men on a visceral level. That's why if she's been with many men, she'll lose her SMV as well.

Women can argue as much as they'd like that - the past is the past and other such arguments. However, at its core, this is a visceral reaction, not a logical one. We can try to understand as much as we could, but we must accept that this is just the way it is. Just like we accept hypergamy and other forms of male and female nature.

[–]BewareTheOldMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a very nice summary on why smart men avoid marriage to promiscuous women.

Additionally - there's research, empirical data, and long-term studies that support your statements but even without all the behavioral science it's easily explainable on a common sense level why men revile promiscuous women.

[–]canyousmellechidna2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

For the sexual partner number thing, I meant a low number.. like I’ve been with 5 men (I only have sex in monogamous relationship, I am celibate when I am single). Some women I know (who are now married) have been with like 10-20 and that’s their relationship/lifestyle past and I don’t judge them (I understand some people started having sex in their school years, so some can have more sex partners quite young. I didn’t have sex til my first relationship when I was 18 and now I’m 22.) 200 is a bit much for woman or man, I personally wouldn’t want to be with a man who has had sex with 200 people! Research or not.. ehh no thank you.

Honestly I have an emotional problem myself but it’s cause of my sensitive personality; for example, when I make friends with someone and they flip the switch on me, it makes me sad and I have cried in the past over losing friends. When I was younger I would cry a lot when depressed and frustrated. I tend to be very honest and altruistic in my ways, when someone I am invested in isn’t the same way back, well sometimes I cry. People with anger problems make me very uncomfortable, as my first bf had them and he was very difficult to be with.

These days I hardly cry and I have a better grip on my emotions but every once in a while I have a stress cry. I just choose better friends, keep a smaller circle of friends, and focus more on my hobbies/passions rather than people these days. I don’t know one person that doesn’t have some sort of trauma or difficulty in their life, affecting how/who they are as a person. Some of the most mentally stable people I know had a rough upbringing and are married to someone damaged worse than them, but they love them regardless.

My friend’s wife is a very good woman, in her 30’s, had a few kids when she was younger, but also used to be a heroin user when she was younger. Her ex-husband was also abusive. But after years of healing she’s fine, a bit sensitive like myself. I wouldn’t rule out dating someone a little damaged (as long as they are not excessively damaged, like self-harm, currently abusing substances, literally crazy, etc.). My best friend has a wonderful fiance who puts her first always and takes care of her baby like she was his own child, the only thing he is a bit clingy and overly protective. Nobody out there is perfect.

[–]r24010 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't judge a woman by N count but I'm not going to marry a high n count woman either.

[–]BewareTheOldMan2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"I don't judge a woman by N count but I'm not going to marry a high n count woman either."

Don't look now...but that's judgment.

I don't consider judgment and scrutiny as negative - it's a protective mechanism which usually helps prevent gross errors and/or major mistakes when selecting a prospective life-mate.

Embrace judgment - it's good.

[–]r24010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I don't think she's a bad person. Just not the one for me

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree completely. People have zero filter on the internet and it’s a side of some people I don’t wish to see. In real life people are far more temperate on these things!

[–]red_matrix2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Take a break. Everything in moderation.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I leave reddit often, lol. I think its the best way to use the website. Anti-karma is pro free-speech.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for sharing. It’s always good to take a break from social media, especially sites like reddit which are addictive and not always healthy, as you said. Enjoyed your posts and comments, and appreciate this honest goodbye post.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why am I getting downvotes for thanking you for your comment? Are you serious? This is why I’m deleting this app tonight. 😑

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I got some downvotes on my comment too...no idea why.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you!

[–]subgirl1820 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Omg I just googled White Boy Extinction porn, what the heck??? Lol, people are weird!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right?! And that guy had the nerve to get on here and tell people how to run their lives. Made me feel a little sick tbh.

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