Red Pill TheoryShe doesn't love you. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by MSoftHarem

She loves her attraction to you.

I'm going to repeat this because it is that important - She doesn't love you, she only loves her attraction to you.

Make no mistake fellow high value men, women have no loyalty beyond their own narcissism. The days of the lifelong partner your grandmother was to your grandfather have been put to rest. The instant validation and unnecessary amounts of attention your average attractive woman get are completely out of control, and they thrive on those high dopamine levels. Combine that with our post-feminist society which never tells women "NO." and you have the current mess. What does this mean for you? Well, its quite simply really, maintain attraction.

Lift. Dress well. Don't take any shit from anyone, and be the man who puts her in her place. Women crave leadership and dominance, regardless of what all those pseudo-husband feminists might say. Just don't think for one second that she loves you, because she doesn't. She loves the tingles you give her by not being like all the other pandering low value men who have been trying to beat down her door. She loves the primal orgasms from being held down and ravaged. She loves how her friends pine over the new mysterious guy, and most importantly she loves that you maintain your frame when she is being completely irrational, but she does not love you. Remember, she'll get her dopamine fix with or without you so you might as well get your dick wet for your troubles.

The worst thing a woman can do is accidentally fuck a beta. Provider type men used to be something noble, something to strive for, but in an age where we have abundance in every facet of our lives - they're redundant. Women do not have to worry about food, shelter, or security. It is all taken care of by Big Daddy GovernmentTM (or beta men) so they are free to pursue all their deepest, darkest fantasies with little to no repercussions. How many threads are posted here regularly that tell the same story? Happy relationship, good sex, everything is going well but she wants to "mix it up" (ride new cock) and usually the guy caves. Her attraction is waning and she needs her fix. Movies like Eat, Pray, Love make this idea popular. Why work on your marriage and care about your family when you can go get some HOT FOREIGN STRANGE?! Exactly. Don't be the chump husband, be the hot foreign strange, or, if you're a Heinz 57 like most of us just have enough Dark Triad traits that give her the tingles.

And please, for the love of FSM, don't fucking talk to me about this unicorn you heard about from a friend of a friend. We deal in probabilities in this community, and it is highly unlikely you are going to meet an attractive woman with any sort of loyalty. Yeah, they're out there, just like winning lotto tickets and Google start-ups are out there. Don't be a victim of regret rape because you caved to her bullshit and she needs to save face because you are no longer attractive enough to brag to her friends. Be the attractive guy who holds his space and is ready to replace her at the drop of a hat because that is exactly how quick her attraction can nose dive. I shouldn't even need to write this last paragraph, but we've had an explosion of growth lately and with that come the newest flock of people on the fence. Also, ladies, we don't want your advice. If you want to drop some "truth" about how there are all kinds of attractive and feminine women out there and we're just going after the insecure bar sluts I will swiftly remove your cliche cellulite ridden ass from our community.


[–]Conphas 107 points108 points  (21 children)

I usually lurk, but I logged in just to comment on this. Many years ago as a young NCO in the Marine Corps, I had to attend a day-long workshop that was heavily based on Covey's 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. Now, without looking them up, the only one that I remember is 'Sharpen the Saw', which I understood to mean periodically refreshing ourselves with the concepts that we shouldn't forget (as well as getting exposure to new ones) so we can maintain a level of excellence over the long term.

I've set aside a portion of each day for the last few months to spend here. This has got me back in the gym, doing a little bjj when I'm not crushed with homework, and most importantly, refusing to help the women who only seem to remember who I am when they need math help unless they are willing to reciprocate with something I want. I guess I'm just trying to say that it is exactly for posts like 'She Doesn't Love You' that I come here, even if I've been exposed to the idea at some earlier point in my reading. Gotta sharpen that saw, so I don't forget.

More posts like these, please.

[–]MSoftHarem[S] 50 points51 points  (9 children)

There will be more original content in the near future. I have been dealing with some personal business and most of my time spent in the sub is playing janitor and banning people. However, some time has been freed up and I plan on contributing more often. Glad you enjoyed it, and keep that saw sharp.

[–]Modredpillschool 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Don't be fooled by the name, soft harem is a hard motherfucker.

[–]tumbleweedss 1 point2 points  (7 children)

How many relationships have you been in?

[–]MSoftHarem[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I've dated 40ish women with 5 or 6 of those being "relationships."

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Truth is incredibly empowering once you get over its initial bitter taste. I read 7 Habits when I was a teenager, but it wasn't until about a decade later that I put it into the right context. Had to discard my blue pill lenses.

[–]HeadingRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Likewise- getting a handle on my healthcareer here. In the past I was the one called for handyman duties, cars, taxes etc. pretty much "husband on tap" except 90% of the time got nothing back. Sex? hell, even dinner or offering to do something for me would help.

As to the main topic- even though I do not agree 100% with the reasoning given I do agree with the point- all love is conditional. If you think you can't do anything to make her not love you, trust me you are wrong. Unless your version of love is her with someone else and you never seeing her again.

I don't always plan exits- but I am not surprised by them either.

[–]TRP Vanguardscottishredpill 121 points122 points  (57 children)

Want to see this in action? Heavily game a married women.

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[–]Hoodwink 46 points47 points  (2 children)

If she has a boyfriend/husband, you're only competing against one guy with all the faults of real person.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is so fucking true.

Is like hypergamy in it's purest form.

[–]Haraklus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a great way of putting it.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Truth to this.

The most disgusting thing to me is when they mention they have a BF/husband the morning after.

They couldn't even be bothered to throw up that small defense the night before.

[–]yea_tht_dnt_go_there 42 points43 points  (1 child)

I lived in a half way house for a month. There was this moderately attractive ~40 y.o. She was pretty much fair game, almost every dude in the house fucked her. When she left it was to go see her loving husband and family. The real kicker was when a guy she fucked in the house started giving attention to another girl, the cougar would start to act all pissy and jealous.

[–]TRP Vanguardscottishredpill 22 points23 points  (0 children)


Also remember, some women may self destruct with the guilt, this happened to me the other night! And all she did was kiss me quickly. Be careful!

[–]3trplurker 11 points12 points  (16 children)

No joke, big reason I chose not to get married. It's so easy to sleep western married women, they practically give it away. East Asian girls are no different though harder to seduce. The key is convincing them that nobody will find out, there's actual real social consequences for that shit out here.

[–]JohnGalt316 11 points12 points  (1 child)

be careful in SEA

in the Philippines, if a man finds his wife cheating with another man and kills them on the spot he won't be charged.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is also true in nearly every Muslim country lol

They don't take kindly to adultery over there.

[–]TRP Vanguardscottishredpill 8 points9 points  (13 children)

I bang married women, but there is a rule: They do not live in my city. I go to hotel bars for married women action.

[–]Aizande 38 points38 points [recovered]

Why the fuck are you actively seeking out married women?

[–]Redpillc0re 7 points8 points  (0 children)

For the NSA situation, because it's easy, and because it's naughty, bad , and no longer punished with blood. The latter seems to be the main reason, actually.

[–]TRP Vanguardscottishredpill -1 points0 points  (6 children)

Something different every so often. It's not something I do every night, or week, but sometimes I just feel like banging a married women.

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[–]TRP Vanguardscottishredpill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's a fair comment.

Do you know how to keep your women faithful? Be the man she looks up to. I've spent many an enjoyable evening with a married women that would not cheat because she respects her man. Be that man.

I don't run any special magic, I make it know I am attracted to her and if she wants more, I won't say no, but I will not push it nor will I make the first move.

Hate me if you want, but you can find a good women and keep her faithful.

Reply to your edit: I am aware of the 3rd person. This is going to sound worse, but I screen who it is: unhappy, not from my city, not likely to fess up, no kids.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You're a fucking rat.

[–]WindowsDoctor 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You're as big a piece of shit as they are.

[–]analrapeage 5 points6 points  (1 child)

that's wrong. regardless of the women's issue, you're fucking over another dude. no different from stealing.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree. Her sex and sexuality is her responsibility and no one else's. I had a situation this past weekend with a married woman that I might pursue, but only to blow her shit up. I absolutely loathe cheating wives. I want to find out who her husband is and send him proof of what she is. Call me crazy, but I've had too many friends with cheating whore wives that I never, ever would suspected of cheating on their husbands, and I'm not at all gullible. This guy I worked near about 12 years ago had a wife that committed suicide. She was cheating on him. Cops think it might not have been suicide. I don't have anything to add to any investigation that may or may not still be ongoing, but even if I did, I would say nothing. This shit's got to stop, and even though it won't, I will. Not. Be a part of it.

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[–]TRP Vanguardscottishredpill 18 points19 points  (21 children)

I think you miss my point. This works on most married women, open to infidelity or not. I'm not talking about f-closing them either, but just gaming them. They will lap it up, and choice to cheat will likely be yours. They will hold your hands, sit on your lap, do things for you. ALL married women do this if you have a strong enough frame.

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[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 43 points44 points  (6 children)

I just wonder how you guys get over feeling bitter and deceived after realizing this,

You should be doing cartwheels at learning it now, rather than when you had two kids, a mortgage, and found out she had moved another man into the house you are paying for. With a court order against you to boot.

I know too many guys who had to learn it that way.

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[–]My_MR_Throwaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel you there too, one of my exes kids called me dad all the time, and their real dad was in their lives. They just preferred me.

[–]My_MR_Throwaway 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Damn man, that sounds like a play-by-play of my last relationship, identical in almost every way. I didn't really have a strong male role model growing up so all of the relationship advice that I got came from sisters and such. I actually thought that that gave me a leg up on other guys though since I was getting some "inside knowledge" of what women like and want. When I was single though, and living it up, I was plenty capable of getting women interested in me. But if things headed towards a relationship it wouldn't take me long at all to settle into the beta role and things would always go to shit from there.

I never could figure out why my relationships blew up in such spectacular fashion, but they always did. It took me a long time to figure out that they had every reason to be mad at me really. I would start off being the bad boy that gave them the tingles, the one that got them to do things they never thought they would do, fun and exciting things. Then, when it started turning into a relationship, I would settle down into my blue pill ways and do all the things that I was always told by my sisters and Hollywood that a good boyfriend would do. Flowers at work because I made you mad, no problem! Sure, I'll watch that corny chick flick with you, no problem! Where do I want to go for our date night, whatever you want to do, you decide! All that shit. And it didn't take long at all for them to lose all respect for me and then resent me. I tricked them. They signed up for a man that excited them, and instead got a boring and predictable man-boy that offered them nothing that they couldn't get from literally a thousand other guys.

I finally learning, better late than never. Long wall of text, but that post kind of hit home for me.

[–]neilmccauley1980 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Excellent perspective. One time I was inches close to leaving my job, apt, family, friends, colleagues and my sweet lexus coupe to move to a different country, learn a new language and settle with the "love of my life". I pulled the plug last minute and decided to break up with her because it was too big of a change for me. For about 2 years I didn't know if I had made the right decision or not. Until I came across TRP. I then congratulated myself for pulling an RP move even as a blue piller.

Addl: if I move, I will lose all my status I enjoy in America and I'll be basically starting from scratch. Learning a new language, finding a high paying job etc... while she would be the provider through this time. And a woman never likes to hypogame so chances of our relationship going down the drain were very high. That was my fear before and TRP theory validated for me after 2 years.

[–]the_red_scimitar 21 points22 points  (6 children)

I hear you, brother. Here's the deal - here's how you get over it. Get back to who the fuck you are. Decide right now - you don't have to be who you were, but you have to have YOUR life squared away. You need to take care of yourself physically(gym or whatever), spiritually (whatever that means to you), emotionally (do what makes you happy). You have to be productive, and get your attention out of your head and out into the world.

And you have to decide that you don't go all in when you meet somebody. Keep them at arms length for quite a long time (as far as your emotional investment goes).

And here's the real deal. Once you've established all this, that's your "frame" that you hear talked about. Don't EVER let her "deform" or enchroach in it. You have to decide what your limits are, and just never fear drawing the line firmly. When she sh!t tests you to see if you'll change to fit her frame, you send it back to her. Never fear to disagree if your really do.

I think Rollo said it: you never find a good woman. Never. You make one. And you do that by molding her to your frame. Be that guy who knows who he is. Be willing to, as Patrice said, "take the L" (loss) at all times, and REALLY mean it. She can walk if she doesn't like your frame. But the frame is what attracted her, so there you are.

I think (and this is something I'm working out) that all this can be done without being an asshole, nor is it misogynistic. It is recognizing the facts of the psychological/social make-up of both men and women, and what both need and want.

The most obvious thing is that women are NOT made happy by what they say they want. Burn that into your psyche, brother. When they tell you the love/soulmate stuff, it isn't even what THEY want. So if you want them happy, DON'T give them that. Just know it is a pyscho-social black hole that will swallow everything good about your relationship. Find your balance within the range of TRP philosophies, and perhaps you'll make a good woman for you.

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[–]the_red_scimitar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Indeed, it wasn't any kind of value judgment. It's just a good working rule to understand, if you actually want relationships that last and remain interesting and fun.

[–]jtisch -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

i have a little to add here, more importantly a few questions.

i have been talking to this girl for about 3 months now, only smashed it out once, shes an alpha female to the fullest, its challenging and engaging. but, i fucked up, i got to emotional, and she took 100 steps back. total beta move on my part, one that i have never made, i am a heartless fuck 99% of the time and im not sure how she got the best of me. Anyways, drop the girl and move on? try to regain control? she reaches out to talk to me all the time, but shes keeping her distance, aka, exploring. we make each other very happy, but me being older, i have gone through a bit more and understand shit that shes trying to figure out, im having a beta replase gents, i need some help.

its a giant mental mind fuck that i havent been in, so how the hell do i regain this balance of control?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Next her or go no contact. You've lost control. Take the loss my friend.

[–]the_red_scimitar 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah man. You can never give that much. Give 70%, not 100%. The rest is all yours. And be willing to take the loss. If you are ALWAYS willing to walk - and really walk and not look back - it changes how you approach them, and you just can't make that beta move. You have to totally make it your thing that you will take the loss.

I'm not so keen on the "heartless fuck" thing. But you have to know what's you and what's her, and never do anything that puts you in her frame, but always correct her on that and get her to comply with yours. It's different in an LTR, but that's not what we're talking about.

I've tried this after fucking up - just said "have a nice life". Days or weeks later... suddenly she's reaching, and the game can reset to where you keep her at the distance necessary so that she will remain excited and interested. Or, you may find you really don't like the person after all, and you can just ignore it and move on. Both have happened to me.

Don't offer to help her sort out her issues - that's beta. Don't be her mentor. That's beta. If you want, tell her you're sure she's smart enough to work it out herself. If she doesn't reach out in the way you want after just a little bit, just back all the way out.

You see, it sounds like she's plate-spinning you. You gotta drop out of the spin. She'll either shrug and move on (which is the alpha move in a guy) or she'll do the more typical thing of trying to draw you in.

I've seen two very alpha females respond to this. On one, I intentionally pushed the shit out of it, thinking, each time, "no way she's gonna come back after this." I had to go to uncomfortable (for me) extremes before she dropped out (and frankly, it's recent enough that I'm not sure she has). I had to truly keep things at arms length, battle the urge to engage her frame at the expense of mine, etc.

And when I'd thought "that's done it", the next day, she'd be back with an apology - like "sorry I was weird last night. Hadn't slept well". The fact is, she hadn't done anything weird or wrong, but I sure had been straight in not buying into the sh!t tests.

So look, you've probably lost her, so why not use it to at least try out the more fundamental psycho-social premises that explain female behavior?

[–]Conphas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That third paragraph read like the plot of a horror movie.

[–][deleted] 242 points243 points  (55 children)

You know, I think an unfortunate truth that a lot of guys around here are unwilling or refuse to accept is we can't have it both ways. We can't have a society like we currently do where the price for pussy is so unbelievably low, where women will sleep with men at the drop of the hat, and promiscuity is completely encouraged and still want to find The One™ and believe in True Love™. It just doesn't work.

Sleeping around fucks women up. They can't pair-bond as easily. They lose the piece of themselves that can effectively love a man. As long as we are taking advantage of their relative easiness these days, there will be long lines of broken women left in the wake for some beta to try and turn into a respectable housewife.

Guys like us are part of the problem (although a smaller one than betas and feminists, I imagine). If tomorrow men who routinely sleep with multiple women said "No mas" then you would see a shift back to traditional values, like the conservative circlejerk fantasy. Problem is, we all like sex, it's in our blood, and that day is never going to come.

You can have your Goethean romance or you can have clubsluts on your dick every other night. You can't have both. And our current society has most definitely moved in the latter direction.

Act accordingly.

[–]md619 53 points54 points  (14 children)

You're never going to get men to stop fucking easy pussy. Even if you got a majority, it would be too easy for some dark triad alphas to take advantage of, therefore forcing guys to once again compete. It's the values that have to be first changed in women. Men are the reactive gender when it comes to sex. Whatever it takes, guys will do. If women actually locked up the pussy and demanded more for it, you'd see a big change in male behavior. Maybe not from alphas who women can't resist, but from the more average guys.

It's too late for that though. Might as well enjoy the decline.

[–]DesiAntiFeminist 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Like Roosh says, water takes the shape of its container.

Women's behavior will conform to the constraints implemented upon it. That used to be done in the past, and can be (will be) done again. The last 50 years are a highly anomalous period of history.

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[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (3 children)

They want equality minus the consequences.

[–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (1 child)

It's not even a demand anymore. That's exactly what they have.

One if my favourite movie lines is said by Jack Nicholson when his character is asked how he writes women so well: "I think of a man, then I take away reason, and accountability".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which isn't even technically equality

[–]FascistComicBookHero -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

I don't I have the right to tell them how they should live their lives. We're all free to do whatever we want in any western society,

That's some beautiful and noble notions you have there, but the Truth of the world is that regardless of how liberal and enlightened a civilization, there will always people or groups that are going to impose their will upon other less powerful segments of society. Do you really want overgrown teenagers - ie., women - telling you what you can and can't do? And, that's not fearmongering; look around you and you'll realize that collectively we're already there.

There is no true, universal free will; somebody's always got to be the bitch. Be honest, when you write that you're unwilling to tell women how to live their lives, you're in fact saying that you're fine with allowing them to run ramshod all over your prerogative. That's not only a terrible attitude that hurts yourself, but also hurts your fellow men, and, believe it or not, hurts and turns-off most women as well. Seeing these kinds of posts not immiediately corrected on this sub, suggests that TRP is failing some of its members.

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[–]Haraklus 9 points10 points  (0 children)

thousand cock stare

I lost it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If tomorrow men like us who routinely sleep with multiple women said "no mas", these women would sleep would someone else(or each other, lots of lesbian action everywhere i go nowadays).

The history of civilization is the story of women and how men adapted to their natures. This is us adapting to Single Mom America.

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[–]3trplurker 10 points11 points  (9 children)

We're just returning to the original state of nature where all involved are just following they're natural instincts, however destructive those are. The only reason monogamy worked for as long as it did was the severe real consequences for a women following her natural instincts. And even with those huge consequences so many women risked it anyway.

If tomorrow men who routinely sleep with multiple women said "No mas" then you would see a shift back to traditional values, like the conservative circlejerk fantasy.

That wouldn't happen as women would just sleep around with the weaker men like all the 4~6's do. Women can easily get sex by just opening they're legs, they don't have to work for it. Trying to deny them that won't change anything. You need some form of negative incentive, along the lines of Islamic type social boundaries. The possibility of death and / or permanent poverty / social starvation seems to be a good incentive to not do stupid shit.

[–]jabberwockysuperfly 18 points19 points  (0 children)

They're = they are

Their = possessive

[–]Lord_Varys 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We're just returning to the original state of nature where all involved are just following they're natural instincts, however destructive those are.

It's not natural for women to have as much sex as they do. They can do it now without ever having to worry about getting pregnant. The original state of nature was one where everyone follows their natural instincts, yes. Except following it would result in pregnancy, and far less available women. There is such an oversupply of pussy right now -- and that's what may cause disruption.

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We're just returning to the original state of nature where all involved are just following they're natural instincts, however destructive those are. The only reason monogamy worked for as long as it did was the severe real consequences for a women following her natural instincts. And even with those huge consequences so many women risked it anyway.

Yes, exactly what I was pondering. As things become more equalized, we move further away from the monogamy model and back into the natural state of things. Anyone interested in this would do well to pick up Jared Diamond's lesser known work, The Third Chimpanzee, and read Chapter 3, "The Evolution of Human Sexuality," and Chapter 4, "The Science of Adultery." Now that's a redpill.

That wouldn't happen as women would just sleep around with the weaker men like all the 4~6's do. Women can easily get sex by just opening they're legs, they don't have to work for it. Trying to deny them that won't change anything. You need some form of negative incentive, along the lines of Islamic type social boundaries. The possibility of death and / or permanent poverty / social starvation seems to be a good incentive to not do stupid shit.

Agree and disagree. I don't think a widespread "going Galt" of high-caliber, 20% men, alphas, has ever or will ever happen. I doubt there is an accurate model to predict the full effects on gender relations.

The Islamic canon/qanun comment is spot on, however. It has less about guarding your wife's naked beauty and much more to do with making sure she doesn't go to the club and fuck the bouncer in those societies. Note: this is not me condoning this social system, merely an observation. I've spent some time in Islamic kingdoms and speak from personal experience.

[–]3trplurker 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I once thought they're entire system was archaic and horribly oppressive. After taking TRP I saw it for what it really was, a way to constrain and control female hypergamy. They clothe her from head to toe to prevent her from getting validation based on her looks. Other men can't tell her how beautiful she is if they can't see her. They escort her around to ensure she doesn't jump on a dark triad alpha's dick. The result is the only source of male sexual validation she gets is from her husband. The only man she can have sex with is her husband.

It's a harsh system, yet we can't argue the results.

[–]NotTheRealZuck 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Jared Diamond's lesser known work, The Third Chimpanzee, and read Chapter 3, "The Evolution of Human Sexuality," and Chapter 4, "The Science of Adultery."

PDF located here.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Well the relationships back then worked and lasted the way they are was because they were formed prior to feminism reaching mainstream thought.

My sad realization is shaming women to prevent promiscuity is the only thing that works(end sad realization). With men, I think its something short of cutting off our dick to stop us from fucking anyone that would let us.

[–]FascistComicBookHero 6 points7 points  (1 child)

With men, I think its something short of cutting off our dick to stop us from fucking anyone that would let us.

Don't give them any ideas, because we're closer to that reality than you might think. After granting women their sexual liberation and getting to the point where we now downright condemn even a suggestion of shaming female promiscuity, society has now turned around and has instituted a feverish propaganda war designed to demonize male sexuality instead. Disgusting. Even more disgusting is the men that are so complacent and accepting of this bullshit.

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admittedly I believe promiscuity in general is something that should be shamed and be labelled as disgusting. Fortunately for me, I couldn't give two shits even if I'm shamed worse than a leper.

My theory why the male sexuality is demonized is because they are trying to apply hamster logic to stop the male promiscuity. What ends up happening is the divide between Alpha and Beta just becomes more explicit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I agree absolutely on the first second and last paragraph. However your third paragraph is a simplification. The causation of slutdom is the result of something from nothing, this can only be achieved by the state initiating legitimatized violence through taxation to pay for the feminist tentacles of the welfare state. Which disincentives marriage and all the lovely lovelies you spoke of.

And the welfare state is the result of democracy which; concludes the eventual and perpetual action of politicians buying votes through government benefits.

Through this premise this has been in the drains of the state (USA) for at least 2.4 centuries. Your grandfather's and his ancestors brought it upon us without realizing it. (They were too busy enjoying the benefits of the interstate highway;as noted indebting our generation in the prcess)

The largest irony is that the vast majority of "beta males" and pro feminism men are promoting the exact problem they are against. The omega male polygamy we see today.

Watch and learn around you boys.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rothbardian anarcho-capitalist here, yes it is true that state supported feminism is largely to blame for our situation., however, it appears that the market is culpable as well. Thanks to the market, women now have the option to leave the house to work; keeping house and raising children is no longer a full time job. Thanks to social media, women can now obtain orders of magnitude larger amounts of validation than were available even 15 years ago via facebook and tindr. Also, fb and tindr, and the cell phone make possible infidelity on a scale unimaginable 15 years ago. If a free market were to reign, productivity would soon soar so high that women would no longer need a man AT. ALL. for beta type provisioning, and could go alpha fucks full time. The coming collapse of the State will be a significant bump in the road to hell, but still, just a bump.

[–]vaker -1 points0 points  (1 child)

state initiating legitimatized violence through taxation to pay for the feminist tentacles of the welfare state

If women didn't have the vote politicians wouldn't have the incentive to enable this. Just sayin...

[–]ihavespellingproblem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd rather say it is more open and accepted rather than before, but that's all. Everything we see today been around just as long as human civilization exists.

[–]the_red_scimitar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately, that means no LTRs of any kind. But you're right - they don't bond at all.

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[–]MSoftHarem[S] 29 points30 points  (5 children)

That's TRP summed up: Find a sexual strategy that works well with your desired lifestyle and go after it. No prisoners. Avoid marriage, children, and cohabitation no matter what.

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[–]Manuel_S 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Taking YOUR path while seeing all the road bumps on it and being ready for the jolt:

Thats it.

[–]essenceofsias 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Real talk

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is the most valid point in the whole thread, I am going to try to take this to heart.

[–]Lord_Varys 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is the attitude I have. People here tend to default to "LTR = Bad". If one woman makes you happy, then be with her. Fucking as many women as possible is great, if that's what you want.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (6 children)

Love is real. It just isn't permanent, it's fluid. Love for anything, a person, your family, your own damn mother, your country, your hometown... it can all change if the object of your love changes. Anyone can fall in and out of love, love is never secure.

The problem is, men want that binary type of love. They want to be able to fall in love, have a girl fall in love, and have that girl love them NO MATTER WHAT. They want the girl to love them when they grow fat, when their work ethic fades, when they no longer fuck like they used to. They want that girl to be their sexy cooking cleaning slut even as they are a shadow of a man they were in their early twenties.

It's pure mental laziness. Men and women do it both, IDK who does it more but its irrelevant. Men want to be loved for their flaws - as do women. Look around the net, you see all this shit about "Yeah, she's crazy, she's rude, she's irrational, she's sweet, she's no longer as sexy as she was, she nags, but I love all of that. I love her good side and her bad side."

No. That's not love. That is tolerance and desperation - you love her bad side because if you didn't, you would have to face the fact that you should break up, and you are terrified of being pussyless.

This is how most women love most men. Your women loves you for your good side, and may ACT like she finds your bad side endearing or sweet, but in truth it makes her sick. Let your bad side (beta traits, your need for her approval, and worst of all, you're middle aged LAZINESS) grow, and bam, you will have a women who loves you, but isn't "in love".

Which leads us back to the point: She doesn't love you, she loves your greatness. It's real - when you call her on her bullshit, give her a rollercoaster ride of emotions, fuck her good, then you leave to work on your passion alone because you are too driven to cuddle all day, she is fucking in love. It's not a lie, she feels love and she feels it so strongly that it consumes her.

And that love gives you a LITTLE wiggle room. One apology per year. One "beta moment" per decade. Once in a while, you can let her choose what she wants to do for a date. Once in a blue moon, you can sit around and watch TV and drink beer, and skip the gym. You can let her emotionally support you once every new president.

But it's far, far better to never slip up. Because you will start pushing it, to see how much you can get away with, to see whether she loves you for you, or loves you for your values and qualities. You do not want to know the answer.

Basically, TLDR is that love exists. But don't be a goddamn pinterest chick - your partner doesn't love your weaknesses, she loves your strengths. When someone comes along who has more strengths and less weaknesses, all of a sudden, her "love" will shift. This is why you need the passion to be the best, to be great.

[–]brauli0 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Which leads us back to the point: She doesn't love you, she loves your greatness. It's real - when you call her on her bullshit, give her a rollercoaster ride of emotions, fuck her good, then you leave to work on your passion alone because you are too driven to cuddle all day, she is fucking in love.

This is the most gangsterest shit I've ever read. Damn, son.

[–]through_a_ways 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They want the girl to love them when they grow fat, when their work ethic fades, when they no longer fuck like they used to.

I don't think so. I think most guys would understand if their gal lost interest because of any of those reasons. It's usually the girls who still think they deserve more (fat girls thinking they deserve 10s, unemployed girls thinking they deserve 10s, prude girls thinking they deserve 10s).

The girl's interest usually fades way before he gets fat/low-T/fired from his job.

[–]caius_iulius_caesar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that's nihilistic. I've loved (and been loved back by) parents, a sibling, male friends and many animals. None of them wavered. Only women.

[–]neilmcc -1 points0 points  (2 children)

you are terrified of being pussyless.

So it's not men's loyal nature? It's not the shame of abandoning someone who is attached to you?

Women who are calculating and so fear addled that they only think with their tingles have learned this behavior. They are traumatized because society has promised them that there are no men for them.

Stop portraying women and men as soulless beings guided by their genitals. It's just playing into the narrative.

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Might I suggest rereading?

With some men, it is loyalty down to the bone. And with others, it's pure hamstering - they rationalize it as loyalty, but in truth, the man is just scared to leave. Also, you're apologizing for women - society may have taught them the behavior, but it's ultimately their behavior. Same thing with men. Behavior that produces a bad outcome is bad - regardless of whether society taught someone to do it, or whether they felt guilt-tripped into doing it, or they felt shame.

I'm not saying men or women are guided by their genitals - I'm saying that high-quality men/women are guided to love someone with good qualities (and expect their good qualities to receive love). And low-quality men / women desire to receive love for their bad qualities (while they rationalize their partner's bad qualities away.)

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[–]CptDefB 11 points12 points  (8 children)

Yeah, this is worthy of being stuck. That whole "good relationship but wanna mix it up" business has been all over the place for the last few weeks I've been paying attention.

[–]MSoftHarem[S] 22 points23 points  (7 children)

If more people think this is sticky worthy I'll make it happen. This is more of a crash course/reminder of the gist of TRP, and with all the rapid growth we've had lately I felt it necessary.

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[–]p3ndulum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's one of the more insightful posts I've read since I subscribed, back when there were fewer than 5,000 of us. And I think it would be an excellent starting place for anybody who has just discovered TRP to learn what this is all about.

[–]md619 19 points20 points  (0 children)

She loves her attraction to you and her attraction to you is based on the power you still have over her. If she can never 100% lock you down, she will always need you and chase you. Once you let her cage the exotic free bird, eventually you realize there's not much amazing about a caged bird. She's gotten what she wants and now there's nothing more for her left.

Women hate neediness, but guys tend to love it. Why? Briffault's Law in action. The moment she doesn't need you, she'll start moving on.

Think about all the romance movies women love. The superhero who can't be with her for her own safety. The forbidden love of two people from different social or economic classes. It's their ultimate fantasy, the ever unobtainable alpha male.

[–]Mitchell78 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Maintain attraction or GYOW and don't bother anymore.

[–]MSoftHarem[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Amen. The gray area in between has been stamped out by feminism and pussy men.

[–]Buchloe 24 points25 points  (5 children)

thanks for that. Just got dumped, it helps my self esteem some to remember that it ain't me that got dumped, but the lack of display of what the chick wanted.

[–]BloodRoseTRP 11 points12 points  (4 children)

it ain't me that got dumped, but the lack of display of what the chick wanted.

That being said, it's all up to you to "display what the chick wants". At the end of the day, she will get that Alpha cock she craves. Whether your dick gets wet in the process is entirely in your hands.

Keep gaming, keep frame and spin more plates!

[–]Buchloe 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Had I done that, I probably wouldn't have gotten dumped. It's the actions, not necessarily me in other words

[–]gg_s 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It was you who drove those actions. Tempting as it may be to divorce your being from your actions, you will inevitably fail by merely act out RP theory without internalizing it. You know what got you here so learn from it, make corrections, and next time play to win.

[–]Buchloe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True. Good advice, from all of you. though I hate hearing it. Which means I should listen. Yeah, new to this so at the moment it's hit or miss with applying rp, and definitely not fully internalized. Really hard to get it to set in for some reason, compared to what I read from some who just seem to "get it" after finding this sub. But I have already had more success with talking to women. Been building rapport with a few on an online dating site, and a they are lot more responsive and interested than in the past, even contacting me first which rarely used to happen. Right after the breakup I've been trying to just hit the ground running and get some plates spinning so I don't dwell on mistakes/ shit I wish I'd have done differently with my gf. Also trying to develop a "plenty of fish" mentality of abundance. Met up with a new chick, went dancing, and got laid at her place already, and feels like another one is pretty down here in the next week. Slowly but surely.

[–]General_Fear 24 points25 points  (2 children)

I have a different take on a similar topic. Your typical woman thinks that she deserves Brad Pitt with Bill Gates money. Anyone less than that is settling. When they hit 30 and the perfect man does not appear, women compromise. The guy has to be male with a pulse. If you marry that women, in the back of her mind, you are not good enough. She will think to herself, he is okay but he is no Brad Pitt. She bits the bullet and puts up with you because she wants a kid.

Then when the kids are grown and can take care of themselves, there is an incident that is the last straw and she leaves you. All the while she thinks that she is going the find the one. Ya, a 40+ women with a kids is going to compete with a 20 year old.

Guys never marry and never live with a woman. There is no one good enough in this country for the typical American woman. Why marry one of these women if she never wanted you in the first place.

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[–]General_Fear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You hit it on the head

[–]redpill80 14 points15 points  (2 children)

While that's true, I'd like to add an addendum. Whether she like you, your attraction, your "balance," or whatever, a girl who is in love with her alpha loves him more vigorously and intensely than I've ever seen a man love a woman. She is almost literally attached to him- this is why "alpha widows" are so prevalent and still pine for their men years later.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Because a man who produces, protects, and doesn't take shit from anyone is truly rare and valuable. The difference between me at 25 and me at 20 is realizing that I have the power to become that.

[–]caius_iulius_caesar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good tidings.

[–]flaflaflunky 6 points7 points  (3 children)

if you're a Heinz 57 like most of us

What do you mean exactly? Sorry, I'm new here.

[–]MSoftHarem[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Mutts, heavily ethnically mixed families.

[–]masterrod 27 points28 points  (57 children)

I think this is why i stopped reading this stuff..

You post is half truth... Love and attraction are two totally different emotions. Yes she's attracted to your leadership. But she loves the balance between you two even more..

In pickup it's mostly about leadership, . But in relationships it's about balance, and 2 people trying to keep that balance. Sure she might cheat on you, or whatever. However, you must understand even though she's a woman, and that's a whole thing, she still has the capacity to choose.

The loyalty you talk about is funny. Women are definitely loyal, but only loyal to balance. And unfortunately compared to popular belief on this reddit, balance is a little bit of beta and a little bit of alpha.

[–]TRP Vanguardscottishredpill 16 points17 points  (24 children)

No one denies that relationship game requires a balance of beta/alpha, nor keeping a plate spinning.

[–]MSoftHarem[S] 17 points18 points  (16 children)

Relationships, plates, or prostitutes - its all the same. She doesn't love you.

[–]the_red_scimitar 12 points13 points  (11 children)

I've definitely seen what you wrote about, and quite in spades too. I won't go into the NAWALT thing, but I'm curious now, and introspecting a bit, I wonder if I (and probably many other guys) aren't similar. Do we really love the other person? Or do we love what they do for us, love having our friends see us with an attractive woman, love their attentions, such as they are?

I think the more philosophical question, and one that has been put forth in much better language and with more thought than I am doing so here: can anybody even know another person, or isn't it just the outward manifestation of the present that we interact with and "feel" about?

[–]CropDuster33 0 points1 point  (3 children)

An alpha hockey player male friend used to say that he like taking his +8/10 woman out in public to show her off.

[–]the_red_scimitar 0 points1 point  (2 children)

As a guy in completely disclosed (to each of them) open relationships with four very beautiful women, I've absolutely done this. And I let her know that I want her to "make the other guys (and girls) jealous".

Have to say, had nothing but positive responses in saying it.

[–]CropDuster33 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I could only imagine her pussy frothing at the very thought of it.

[–]the_red_scimitar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should've seen the gorgeous, crooked "fuck me" smile.

[–]neilmcc 0 points1 point  (3 children)

She doesn't love you.

If love doesn't exist, how (or why) do you make such a distinction?

[–]chicletecombanana 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I think you misinterpreted what he said. He said women don't love us, not that we don't love them. That's because men and women perceive love differently, so women's concept of love is completely different of what we think of love. A woman is not capable of loving the way we love. And we're not capable of loving the way they love.

That's why we can make such a distinction. We love them.

[–]neilmcc 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I doubt if I perceive anything the same as others. Too vague.

[–]lono12 9 points10 points  (18 children)

Women first and foremost look out for #1. Any antiquated idea of loyalty comes second.

[–]masterrod 18 points19 points  (17 children)

Everybody looks out for number 1. There's no side to it. In women there are two ideals, usually. First the Knight. The knight takes care of the king's woman, he doesn't sleep with her, he only takes care her every need. He may even be sexually attracted to her, but they can't have sex because that's the king's woman. The knight is loyal to the king to the point that he can never break that level of trust. Unless of course, the king is slain.
The second ideal is the King, or the Alpha in TRP terminology.

Unfortunately, women want to have both fantasies running concurrently in their lives. It's not so much of looking out for number 1, cause men do the same thing. It's more understanding of what is wanted from a woman, and the kind of effort desired to spend to on her in order to attain: sexuality, friendship wise, or relationship. Remember in woman's mind, usually there are only on two places a guy can fit.

In the same vein, that most men want an uninhibited beautiful whore to slob there nob at a moments notice, and simultaneously be ultra loyal and pious.

The problem of playing into the common fantasies, is that they must end. Pain will surely ensue on both ends. The effort should be focused on discarding the fantasy as early as possible and moving to reality. Versus, creating the woman as an adversary of some sort. Especially since ultimately both sexes want the same things.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (11 children)

Everybody looks out for number 1

You've never been in the military or a form of brotherhood.

You forget men have a sense of honor and brotherhood.

[–]masterrod 0 points1 point  (10 children)

I have but even selfless acts are selfish.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

A friend of mine died in afghanistan saving his buddies.

How is that selfish. From what i've gathered soldiers care more about the guys at their side than themselves.

[–]masterrod 0 points1 point  (2 children)

People do things that maintain their images of themselves to themselves, or others. In this way every act is selfish. This doesn't disallow people from being benevolent, selfless, but it does it mean they they must have a motivation inside of them that serves themselves in some way. A lot of people reject the idea of everyone being selfish, because they want to believe that there are good & bad people Believing people are good for no reason, is a fallacy because it disallows any given person to understand everyone around you.
In terms of women, women need and crave the alpha level of direction. Because they are afraid and frail in the world. Additionally, they are bread to make babies, even they choose not too. So they must find a man that can guide through chaos. They must also find someone that can take care of them. I can't tell you why these ideals exist, but they all relate to the woman maintaining what she believes is self-preservation. If in fact she improperly labels you, she will give you an opportunity to correct her, then do what she must. Just as she would expect you to do.

[–]caius_iulius_caesar 0 points1 point  (1 child)

People do things that maintain their images of themselves to themselves, or others. In this way every act is selfish.

How about somebody offers to swap you a great write-up in the history books for your suicide, today. Deal?

Didn't think so.

[–]the_red_scimitar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ugh, so true. Working on shedding the fantasy. Thanks.

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[–]masterrod 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Not sure.. I think so. I stopped dating martians a while ago. Did I make something hard to understand?

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[–]masterrod 2 points3 points  (8 children)

that love is different from attraction? Can you explain?

[–]caius_iulius_caesar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Earth Girls Are Easy.

[–]LadyLumen 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Aren't love and Dopamine connected? Let's say you fall in love with a beautiful young woman who is nice to you, and that makes you feel pretty awesome. Does this mean that the excitement she gives you isn't really love, it's just neural action in the brain? To some level, everything is just a neurological reaction. Love is a matrix, a complex web tied together by many things and hard to simplify.

Maybe instead of saying "she doesn't love you," you should say, "don't assume anything will last forever."

[–]jolly--roger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does this mean that the excitement she gives you isn't really love, it's just neural action in the brain? To some level, everything is just a neurological reaction.

As much as anyone would like for 'something higher' to exist, everything is a neurochemical reaction (hormones, neurotransmitters) and you, me, no one else will ever escape it - our brains have evolved this way and the brain is the place where "love" exists.

For "love", there's serotonin (happiness, well-being) and oxytocin (bonding). But, also dopamine, testosterone, estrogen, vasopressin, etc.

Maybe instead of saying "she doesn't love you," you should say, "don't assume anything will last forever."

Nothing lasting forever is a generic, applicable to probably everything there is (not necessarily saying this universe will last forever, but that's offtopic).

"She doesn't love you" easily means that the origin of "love" is different among men and women. The aforementioned hormones and transmitters play their role, secreted/produced in different levels as reactions to different stimuli.

So, what I consider "love" might be quite different for a woman claiming to "love" me. And as countless examples on this subreddit, and perhaps quite a few personal experiences of the people here too, show that this is, in general, true.

In the end I simply can't agree with you.

[–]_whistler 5 points6 points  (5 children)

A well-spoken and always necessary reminder, SH. This post would probably quash at least 50% of the questions over at /r/AskTRP. Just keep this in mind and it makes reading and dealing with women so damn clear.

[–]MSoftHarem[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We decided early on that if I moderated /r/asktrp I would lose what is left of my sanity and probably ban everyone. I quite literally have not visited the sub since its inception so if it is as big of a mess as I am hearing I will bring this to the attention of the moderator staff for a solution.

[–]the99percent1 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Man that section is so bad... Bad advice all round.

[–]BloodRoseTRP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe the initial purpose of r/asktrp was to declutter the feed and improve the noise to signal ratio. Since its inception, many lurkers have come out to share their experiences with the TRP network. However, the plan hasn't worked so well since, like _whistler stated, not many knowledgeable TRP members frequent that sub to dish out their wisdom.

Last time I checked, r/asktrp has turned into a seduction forum that is influenced by the incorrectly stereotypical "misogynistic" attitude of TRP taken to extremes. Kind of like askBetaMax 2.0 to a degree.

Quite a few of the comments I've seen don't relate to TRP theory at all. E.g. she's fat because she has stress and that will lead to accumulation around the legs and belly and its your fault! Hamster much?

[–]_whistler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. I spent some time last night going through some of the threads...wish more of the respected members of TRP were dishing out wisdom over there. But it is what it is. If people aren't willing to do the legwork of reading the material, nobody's obligated to spell it out for them.

[–]CptConfused 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Recently I was thinking about this, I've just been finishing all the required reading on our side bar and I came to realise something quite terrible for our future.

What's going to happen to our children? I don't know about most of you guys, but I want to raise kids and I want to raise them better than anybody else can. I realise now that women even though they are the mothers and claim to be more aware of maternal duties than men, just completely disregard the importance of fatherhood.

Is there really no woman out there who isn't thinking of the children in regards to how they are raised in the world and not whether the opposite sex who inseminated them has "good genes" or not? Because good genes are not real, its just our ability to survive and survive well in the current world. We know that our bodies haven't evolved as rapidly as the industrial revolution has, its all in our ability to be top of the food chain, top of the triangle, top of the ladder, above the rest.

Does a woman not realise that we need her loyalty and maturity in order to raise a new generation? Women are reckless, feminism is a curse. When is someone big out there going to put this all to a stop? Like a president or something? Someone who can make divorce a game, who can lower the rape paranoia, who can just put an end to woman's reckless sense of entitlement?

The next generation will be worse than ours, a generation of even more accidents with no fathers raised by women. Shit the future might just be run by women. Or maybe there will just be no future and our civilization will die out. Feminism might just be the undertone for mental illness, war and frustration.

[–]Senior Contributorveggie_girl 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But SofthHarem, there are lots of feminine and loyal women out there looking for a good man. They just happen to all be the size of an orbiting moon or have as many craters in their face as one.

An attractive woman is extremely loyal to one thing: her emotions. That is why it's so easy for the media/politics/advertising to control women. The man who can control a woman's emotions like a light switch will be the man that he's whatever he wants from her. Problem is with attractive women there are 100 other guys all trying to gain that control. The fatties are only loyal because they don't have anyone else pining for them.

[–]Wolfy_Rescue 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Hi all, I'm new here, and this happened to be the first post I came across. Although I don't personally agree with all of this, I do agree with the idea of "Sharpening the Saw" that /u/conphas mentioned, which includes listening to/thinking about points of view that differ from your own. In keeping with that idea, I'd like to tell my story, which seems a bit contrary to the views expressed above. I'd like to mention that I'm not here to troll or hate or whatever; rather, I'd like to have an honest, intelligent discussion (and from reading the comments below, I know this is a place where I can).

I'd like to start out by saying that yes, I am a female. However, I am not a feminist. For my part, I have never ended a relationship (except in one case, which I will explain below), though I have been dumped many times. A couple of years ago, I met a man that I soon realized was the most wonderful person I've ever had the chance to know, and after talking for a couple of months, we started dating. To be completely open and honest with you all, although this article says otherwise (maybe I'm a defective female?), I really loved this man with every bit of my heart. I gave up my family (who disliked him) and friends to be with him, and I'd have followed him to the ends of the earth if he had asked. I never had any problems with loyalty to him (and never in my relationships before), because there is honestly not another person in this world that could replace him (also, we hadn't had sex and I wasn't after sex or anything like that, though even now there's no way I'd trade sex with him for anything). The problem was, I quickly began to see many of the issues you have discussed here arising in my relationship. Once he had secured me as his girlfriend, he began to lose interest in me (for reference, although I don't really agree with them, I've had quite a few men tell me I'm very attractive? So it wasn't an issue of me not being attractive). I tried my best to be everything and anything he wanted, and in the end he cheated on me for a few months and left me for another girl who was much less loyal (she cheated on him as well). Over the course of the next couple of years, I kind of dated another guy (I don't know that he counts as a man? In all the time that we talked and dated, he never acted as anything more than a good friend/friend with benefits), but even with that, I tried to remain as loyal to the first man as I could (the girl he cheated on me with was very controlling to him, so it was difficult). After some time, when he decided he was tired of the other girl, I left the guy I had been dating (the only time I've ever ended a relationship) to return to the man I'd loved for all that time. I bore years of having to be "just friends" with this man, all for love. To this day, I'll still do whatever he wants, but not because of some kind of dominant conditioning that he uses to "train" me to be a good woman. He treats me as his equal (though I do enjoy being submissive to him at times), and I genuinely love him for it, even though he has done to me what many women have done to you all here.

I suppose I just wanted to get my story out there to let you know that while some women definitely are the way you've described above, and a are only interested in pleasure and such, not all of us are, myself being (I would hope) a prime example. Also, I'd like to mention (as I pointed out a bit in my story) that some men can be just as bad as the women you've described in this post. Some men honestly only care about pleasure, and not about love at all (and it makes me really sad to say, but it seems like a couple of you could be swinging that way due to bad past experiences), but I think you'd agree that many men out there aren't that way at all.

I think the problem is that human beings generally tend to be at least a little shitty and self-centered, and this goes for both sexes. The solution to this problem isn't to become the very monster you've described by (like these women) seeking out women solely for one-night-stands or short-term relationships based solely around sex and pleasure. The real solution, in my opinion, is to rise about it all and set a better example. Just because all my previous boyfriends left me, doesn't mean I'm going to deny that relationships are worthwhile and can go well. Just because I was cheated on, in the same, unfortunate way that so many of you have described, doesn't mean I'm going to abandon the ideas of love and loyalty and marriage, and instead go sleep around with as many men as I can,thereby perpetuating the very ideals that caused my problems. Instead of lowering myself to that level, I am going to choose to rise above it, as all of you can, too. You all consider yourselves "alphas", right? The dominant fraction of males.The leaders. Instead of lowering yourselves to the level of the immoral, disloyal people who sleep around and wreak havoc, rise above it, and set the example that all men should strive for.

I apologize for the Great Wall of Text, but I wanted to share that with you all. Please feel free to discuss any parts of this with me, as (I'll repeat) I'm not here to troll/shame/etc., and I'm not a feminist or feminist-supporter in any way. This is merely the humble opinion of an outsider, submitted to you as a polite way to perhaps "Sharpen the Saw".

[–]SgtBrutalisk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, I'm a man. Because we here at TRP firmly believe that men>women, my opinion is automatically right and yours is wrong.

What you are doing is trying to rationalize your decisions (i.e. hamster) by saying "oh, I am such a good woman, why does nobody love me", when in fact what you described in your boyfriends was a definite alpha mentality - won't commit, won't settle. You tried to lock down an alpha man, it failed. What did you expect?

FYI, there are 103 baby boys born for every 100 baby girls, meaning that there is a man for every woman and then some. Saying that you can't find a man simply means that you're still living in the fantasy land where you believe Brad Pitt or George Clooney should come begging on their knees for you to marry them. This isn't going to happen.

Either lower your standards or prepare for being old alone.

[–]1PaulRivers10 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Oh, what a bunch of crap.

This belongs in MGTOW, not Red Pill.

There are beautiful women that have no loyalty past their own narcissism, and there are interesting seeming men that do as well. Your complaining is just as emtpy and meaningless as women complaining that "all men are pigs" and "all men will cheat on you", bla bla bla.

"no attractive woman will ever love you" is not red pill. Red Pill is that that's the case for a few women, and for all women there are certain factors that cause her to fall in or out of love with you.

I hate it when I see Red Pill stuff devolve into the self-imposed pityfest that so much of feminism and women complaining about imagined slights is. You know how you find a woman who stays in love with you is? Have the qualities that are attractive to her be things that you actually like about yourself. Yeah, you have to wade through a bunch of b.s. about the things she thinks she wants but she doesn't really care about, but that's life.

[–]MSoftHarem[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I can see how someone who completely missed the point might draw this conclusion.

[–]1PaulRivers10 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I only know 2 kinds of guys who get into game - 1. Guys who have a hard time swallowing it, but do it for a while, then settle down with a girl that they really connect with. 2. Guys who believe the above stuff heart and soul, and can never, ever hold onto a girl. (They can get laid, though.)

Maybe I understand it differently than you, but I just find this to be to far into #2 if you read it over and over again.

If you think I'm still missing the point, feel free to point out what it is. Maybe I just come from a different perspective - I've never felt that a woman would love me for absolutey nothing other than just being me and not having any positive qualities at all, just like I doubt I would ever fall or stay in love with a hideously unnattractive woman, or a woman with a totally abhorrent personality.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Feminism is less attractive women lowering the value of attractive women by saying that being a "slut" is OK.

[–]magicalbird 0 points1 point  (1 child)

don't fucking talk to me about this unicorn you heard about from a friend of a friend. We deal in probabilities in this community, and it is highly unlikely you are going to meet an attractive woman with any sort of loyalty.

Know everything has an expiration date. Did you explain it this bitterly SH to really drive it into the newbie's heads?

[–]MSoftHarem[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You say bitterly while I say realistically.

[–]Zorkamork 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Then is this also true that men don't love women but only love their attraction to women?

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Men differ from women. Just the fact alone that we're praising an uncompromisingly harsh but accurate view of reality, as opposed to the feel-good idealism that women prefer should alert you to that.

[–]TPapp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Troof. Probably the most succinct explanation of women ever.

[–]nubswag 1 point2 points  (1 child)

How does this not cause anyone to be very pessimistic towards women? Sure you can do all this and get laid but who cares? You will never be fulfilled even if you had every women, ever. I just can't see the point if women are this fucked up. why shouldn't I just focus on things that make me happy like nature or travelling?

[–]CalvinHobb3s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm new to this subreddit. But my god, this is just some redundant shit packaged very weirdly. You guys are simply playing semantics with the word "love" and pretending like you're spreading a groundbreaking gospel. First of all, love is such an ambiguous and subjective term.

"She doesn't love you, she only loves her attraction to you" no.shit Even your own mother doesn't love your flaws and imperfections. We all are attracted to people who's positive traits that add value and pleasure to our lives outweigh their negative qualities which repulse us. "Love" is just when we happen to find someone that has an unusually high tip in the scales. Does anyone love somebody completely, one-hundred percent just for that humans pure existence?

I'm sorry, this post just confused the shit out of me. It's like OP was trying to define love and at the same time reiterating age old alpha vs. beta and why women cheat. I think that something left out of this post was how personality chemistry works too. But that's a whole different subject.

[–]BRENDORVEGAS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn. That's some truth right there.

[–]fuk_offe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is so true... Yet so sad at the same time... But truth nonetheless...

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[–]SeniorPootin 7 points8 points  (0 children)

TRP is not a movement.

[–]Lord_Varys 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The problem with this is that its a generalization of all women as disloyal. If you have a TRP girl in a LTR, don't throw it out. They're not as rare as OP makes them out to be.

[–]IM_PRETTY_RACIST 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even if you have such a situation, would it really be detrimental to still maintain yourself and your attractiveness to her?

OP isn't suggesting that you ditch your girl, simply that you're ready to get another one if/when she ditches you.

[–]watersign 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Instant classic

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if I want a family?

[–]chaotemagick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just found out about this community and I've been out of my game phase for a few years, but everything you said is spot on, un/fortunately.

[–]LMS_THEORY_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So you're saying we should focus on Improving and Maintain Looks to maintain attraction?

I agree totally with this if that's your point. Looks, Money, & Status.

[–]MSoftHarem[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly. We've had a lot of people stroll in here thinking this is some bitter rant against women, it isn't. It is simply a reality call for men to not get comfortable, because women are doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing and have made it abundantly clear they do not plan on changing.

[–]DanReggins 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Are you Canadian?

This was painful to read, but well written. Good job.

[–]MSoftHarem[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

'Murican, and thank you.

[–]Endorsed Contributorpontifx 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The irony of this post is you talk about the power of your magnitude and the fact she loves the interface in which she perceives alive with electricity of your planned resistance to her needs and yet you finish it by stating your misunderstanding that finding loyalty is like finding a unicorn.

Loyalty is a game much harder than sexual access yes, but a different type of game none the less.

Also remember you don't love her. You love your interface.

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean "interface"? Could you elaborate?

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