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MetaA Note on "Real" Alphas (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Modredpillschool

Occasionally I see conversations regarding "real alpha" comparing two users in a similar context to:

"You're not a real alpha. A real alpha does this.."

"I am a real alpha.. I do this!"

"This board has been invaded by betas!"

Just wanted to make a note that this is basically stupid and for fucks sake drop that shit.

Stop labeling each other alphas and betas, they're terms we use to classify particular behaviors and help demonstrate good versus bad behavior. Nobody is intrinsically an "alpha," some people just have more alpha traits than others. Stick to constructive criticism and drop the stupid out-alpha talk. It's not seddit folks, this conversation has become a caricature of itself.

If somebody is making stupid mistakes, correct them, but don't get into a stupid fight about who's alpha and who isn't.

Furthermore, of course there are people with beta tendencies here. How the fuck do you expect them to learn?

And a note to people who are new here or have overwhelmingly beta traits and don't get it: lurk a bit. Pay special attention to Endorsed Contributors. If you keep giving terrible advice when you don't know jack shit, I might just make a new user flair: Continuous Blue Balls or something.


[–]RedFlagsAreGood 143 points144 points  (17 children)

If you keep giving terrible advice when you don't know jack shit, I might just make a new user flair: Continuous Blue Balls or something.

Please do. It will help the newbies. It might also help with the problem of outsiders assuming the terrible advice is representative of TRP.

[–]Ronfar 72 points73 points  (0 children)

Yeah it would help prevent a blind leading the blind scenario.

[–]nSaneMadness 15 points16 points  (10 children)

It very well could help out in the long term, like dropping a dunce cap on trouble makers.

[–]MSoftHarem 32 points33 points  (9 children)

I tend to just ban them, but RPS has always been a supporter of rehabilitation. He's still a closet "nice guy" beta.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 64 points65 points  (5 children)

You know deep in my heart I'm actually a feminist.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Incoming thread on bluepill "OMGZ SUPER ALPHA REDPILLSCHOOL COMES OUT OF CLOSET AS A KEWL GUY!" permalinks to this quote... lmfao.

[–]nSaneMadness 8 points9 points  (1 child)

We could send him in as a covert operative... Create a division known as Red Pill Covert Operations. Okay I'm getting carried away now.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah a bit too much effort for an internet website.. gotta be pretty unemployed to care enough for that shit. Haha!

[–]MSoftHarem 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Walk your Birkenstocks on over to IRC.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy shit those ANGRYFATs hate your guts.

Well done sir.

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[–]I_am_Norwegian -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think the red pills imagine isn't going to change. Defend it, and you're treated as Hitler.

[–]1BadgerBurger 63 points64 points  (4 children)

Stating something like, "This board is full of Betas now!" Is concern trolling. And concern trolling is shitposting.

[–]NillaThunda 11 points12 points  (2 children)

TIL "concern trolling" and "shitposting"

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I agree.

[–]dancingwithcats 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Anyone who has to loudly proclaim how 'alpha' they are probably isn't nearly as much so as they like to think, or try to get others to believe. Actions, people. They speak far louder than words.

[–]vaker 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Regardless of topic it's always suspicious when a person keeps proclaiming something about himself too loud. Letting the actions speak is always better, IMO.

[–]RedSunBlue 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I recommend a "Donny" tag for people who come here and say shit like "Explain TRP to me" or "What's a hamster?", i.e., shit that's already been covered at length in the sidebar.

EDIT: My take on the alpha/beta misuse problem.

Gentlemen,

The rapid growth of our corner of the Internet has brought in many people who are eager to debate the meaning of "alpha".

Ex:

  • That's not what a True Alpha does!
  • I don't listen to my mom, I'm so alpha!
  • I think Alpha is [blah]!
  • Your idea is Alpha is dependent on women, and therefore not Alpha!
  • That might be attractive, but sex with women doesn't mean Alpha!
  • Lol, u like pasta, that's beta as fuk.

To all of you with your own special idea of what alpha means to you:

STFU and read the sidebar.

It says right there under "Welcome to The Red Pill":

The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

Next, under Glossary of Terms and Acronyms:

Alpha – Leader. Somebody who displays high value, or traits that are valued by women. Alpha can refer to a man who exhibits alpha behaviors (more alpha tendancies than beta), but usually used to describe individual behaviors themselves.

Beta – Follower. Sombody who validates others, men & women alike. Beta traits display low value to women. Beta can also be used to describe individual behaviors.

In otherwords:

  • Alpha = makes vaginas tingle*
  • Beta = does not make vaginas tingle

* I do not say "Makes women want to fuck you" because these days, women may want to fuck you for reasons that have nothing to do with your sexual worth and everything to do with the current legal/cultural climate or just plain old manipulation.

How are we going to have a productive discussion on sexual strategy if everyone keeps bringing in their own pretty definitions of what alpha and beta are? It only serves to confuse and distract. You wouldn't go into an discussion of military tactics while saying, "Well you know, 'victory', to me, means keeping my morals and abstaining from war all together!"

Criminals and generals alike can be alpha.

Your morals have nothing to do with alpha.

Your ideals have nothing to do with alpha.

Stay on topic, please.

[–]ChaoticParadox 38 points39 points  (22 children)

I think the Continuous Blue Balls flair thing goes into shaming territory and is beneath what The Red Pill is about, but otherwise, I would like to see this information in the sidebar. It would help out a lot of new people to have a quick reference like this.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 34 points35 points  (21 children)

Maybe a more endearing term that says, "student"

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 8 points9 points  (9 children)

Well, learning is a never-ending process. We're all picking up new ideas from observations, even those of us with years of experience doing this.

Is there some way to assign flair based on how long someone has been subscribed? We could try a seniority-based flair system that simply tells how long the person has been reading the sub. That might be enough to allow people to infer certain things about their level of knowledge.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (7 children)

New tag for each "generation" so people here longer have older tags...

[–]Murasa 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Eh, maybe not. That tends to bring out the snob in people, to varying degrees.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That might be a good one.

And TRP users could easily prevent flame accounts from appearing legitimate by reporting cases where flaired users were trying to start shit. Poof: just revoke the flair permanently.

[–]TheDon835 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Well I think that if we go by time the results might me skewed, I've been here for a while but not the much time maybe 3 months. Just a guess, but anyways a lot of the time I always lose the time to read articles posted here, so I may not be as smart as my time subscribed shows.

I think if we go by subreddit karma it would be much more effective. For two reasons, one would be that we could tell how much they contribute, and if they're contributing as much as their flair says it's going to be assumed they have been corrected on things they've said.

[–]vaker 1 point2 points  (2 children)

can be manipulated

[–]TheDon835 1 point2 points  (1 child)

?

[–]vaker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Karma can be manipulated by brigading and bots. Someone else also mentioned this further down.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What about tagless folks that have been here since 1k subs?

[–]InflatableRaft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Flair based on time served to denote RP knowledge will give people the wrong impression. I haven't been subbed here very long but I've felt like writing this very post that OP wrote for the past month or so.

[–]puaSenator 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Why not just make "Student" the default flair everyone new subscriber gets? Then from there, with enough subreddit karma, it gets removed automatically?

[–]replyaccount 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Shitty advice still ends up getting upvoted quite often

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Plus, it wouldn't take much to have flame accounts made legitimate by vote brigading and bots.

If some kind of procedure does get implemented, it can't be one that uses user-interactive reddit features. Those can all be gamed and manipulated.

[–]puaSenator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It'll still ensure that people new to the sub have to contribute and hang out for a while before being taken seriously. It would help prevent new guys from /r/seduction just upvoting each other blindly.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Back in the day - before the term "Beta" was popularized we used the acronym "NPG" which stands for "No Pussy Gotten"

Beta dudes rarely get any ass...

[–]MockingDead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can say that again.

[–]3trplurker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No. That's rewarding pretend internet points which I find personally laughable.

[–]ChaoticParadox 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I find that agreeable.

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think that there should be a positive connotation on negative flair.

As we have it right now, the only flair is TRP ENDORSED which has a positive connotation of someone who consistently posts RP content.

By adding a STUDENT flair, it may look like a student flair is a good thing; better than an average poster.

If the purpose of the new "blueballs"/"student" flair is to label posters who consistently do not post RP content, then the connotation of the flair must not be positive.

What about "purplepiller"? Well, that's not something that an RP subreddit should be encouraging either. It won't help if we have a "purplepiller" flair, which will allow other purplepillers to upvote a purplepill comment in a redpill subreddit. We don't need purplepill comments being upvoted, we need redpill comments being upvoted.

Here is an example of a comment:

I just don't think the other man needs to be mentioned at all. Thats the line when it becomes congratulatory instead of instructive.

In other words: don't talk at all about the beta who's girl you've fucked because it becomes congratulatory instead of instructive.

http://redditlog.com/snapshot/28258/34799

What the fuck kind of garbage is that. Who declared that mentioning the girl's boyfriend is congratulatory? Who declared that mentioning the girl's boyfriend is not instructive? This "student" poster? That doesn't sound right. This "continuous blue balls" poster? The "still blue, but learning" poster? Sounds more reasonable.

It either has to have only a negative connotation: "Still Blue"

Or a positive connotation off an already existing negative connotation: "Still Blue, But Learning"

What about simply "blue"? And maybe make it a different color than the Blue highlighted color of the OP posting in the thread. Maybe something like light teal, something that doesn't have a lot of emphasis.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

How bout just a cow for bullshit.

[–]Cold_August 36 points36 points [recovered]

Maybe adding the definition of the "no true Scotsman" to the sidebar might help.

[–]throwwhatthere 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Been thinking this for the last few days...but the real point that OP is making is that there is no Scotsman, only men who are Scottish.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 16 points17 points  (0 children)

They're not even traits, they're habits.

Which is good news, because we can cultivate the behaviours that will get us what we want.

[–]Ronfar 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Applauds

Alpha/beta is a mindset, not a demographic.

Everyone has a certain ratio of alpha/beta in their typical behaviour. Also the label throwing is stupid as fuck.

[–]Heroic_Refugee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought that the term Alpha-male was made by marketeers to appeal to a certain demographic.

[–]CosmicSea90 4 points5 points  (1 child)

this essentially falls under the No True Scotsman fallacy.

[–]elpezadent 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I think we should probably model new flair after Kubler-Ross model of 5 stages of grief. For the most part people that are new to the sub are often in denial or are already in the anger stage and as time goes by they gradually come to terms with it like death. This sub is pretty clever I'm sure some model will be instituted.

[–]vaker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Neat idea!

[–]nihilistic_fatalist 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Pay special attention to Endorsed Contributors.

Ignoring the fact that one of comments that made you create this post was from an Endorsed Contributor.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 25 points26 points  (1 child)

They're not robots, everybody says stupid shit every so often. But they have a much higher rate of quality posts. I stand by what I said.

[–]nihilistic_fatalist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fair enough

[–]vsvsvdsve 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To hell with alphas and betas, only supreme omegas can achieve ubermensch status.

[–]vox_veritas 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is the most alpha post I've ever seen.

Kidding. In all seriousness, I think the community needed a post like this from a mod.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This needs to be on the sidebar or something. I can't tell you how many times I've see people confuse alpha with honor and morality.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, people get so boneheaded about all the cliches we have. These terms like "alphas" and "betas" or even terms like cock carousel, SMV, the wall, etc are all simplified versions of larger concepts and theories. Why is there black and white labels? Because that's the only way to explain shit to a newbie.

I see this all the time with the Neo analogy. Yes the matrix was a very insightful movie. Brilliant in many ways. Now stop trying to reduce everything to "well, when Neo took the red pill..." The analogy is not reality. It is just a map, a gross approximation of the actual territory. The purpose of all of these labels and themes and cliches and terms is to help convey ideas without frying people's brains.

[–]dancingwithcats 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well said. I've often said that 'real alphas' don't claim to be alpha and don't label others either way. Actions and behavior speak far more loudly than words or labels.

[–]zxcvbnm000 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Not gonna argue about the alphas part, but I always thought that 'beta' was just shorthand for someone with a ton of beta behaviors at the time. There does certainly seem to be a type for that, in my experience. Should there just be a different or more specific name for that?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Well it's true, we use the terms as shorthand to denote somebody with more of one type of trait than the other. A beta is a guy who displays overwhelmingly beta traits.

But in the context of users here, it serves no purpose to label each other.

If somebody has bad advice, explain why the advice is bad, don't get into a pissy argument about who's the manliest man in the thread.

[–]mach11 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I think the problem is that a lot of people gloss over the nuance in explaining it, preferring to simplify and generalize it. Another problem is that alpha means a host of different things to different people. Really I think it comes down to "perturbed" vs "unperturbed". Like a sailor vs a landlubber, you can tell who is who by how they act when the boat rocks. Most EVERYONE yelling about "alpha this beta that" is a landlubber trying to make themselves feel like a sailor because there's someone stumbling worse than them.

[–]Sabarot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seriously, I really like this analogy. And it can be taken further. Sailors are not born, they are made.

If you want to become a sailor, you need to get on the sea. You will stumble a lot at first, you will also get wet (huehuehue) eventually, it's inevitable. You will find your sea-legs. You will find how you function on the ship in a way that works for you.

It's a hard path to follow, it takes years/decades to develop mastery. There are so many situations where you can't afford to fuck around. It's dangerous. But there's a reason you don't meet many sailors socially. Once they've found their way in that world, the world of landlubbers is anathema to them.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Continuous Blue Balls

LMFAO.

Some "person" the other day was like "I don't know how this guy has his endorsed badge" (referring to I) I said "clearly you've been not around here long" he's like "I checked your post history, they must just go for quantity over quality"

Apparently being endorsed means all my posts need to be essays, I cant post when drunk and I'm not allowed to act stupid. Nah fuckoff, I'm my own man I do wtf I want. Some of these noobs act entitled with endorsed contributors, its perverse. We don't owe you shit. I don't need to advise people on the internet if I don't want to, show some fucking respect. I've spent many man hours selflessly advising people, not all perfect advice but generally pretty good shit. For every person who gilds your post you get 3 more self-entitled little pricks who spam up your notifications with bile.

[–]Petrarch1603 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm sick of all the alpha/beta dichotomy around here. Social behavior is a lot more nuanced than this. I personally seldom use those terms because I don't think those terms convey clear ideas. Its sometimes a useful heuristic for analyzing behavior, but its really been used too much.

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[–]GN0PE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've been lurking and getting familiar with this board, and this post sums up the problem I've had with a lot of posts. Thank you for your post.

[–]skimdit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Spoken like a true beta. B-)

[–]alphabetmod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is spot on. Being an "alpha" is not calling yourself an "alpha." You do what you want, what makes you and your woman/women happy. There are obviously traits that make you a "beta"; e.g. Putting women on a pedestal, feeling sorry for yourself, but alpha is defined by you. You are happy and in control of your life and relationships? Then you're an alpha. You letting people walk all over you and living for the approval of others? Then you're a beta. That's about the extent of it.

[–]Senior Contributordeepthrill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you keep giving terrible advice when you don't know jack shit, I might just make a new user flair: Continuous Blue Balls or something.

Eventually they'll (hopefully) learn and the quality of their posts improve. Will they get to later file an appeal to remove their blue balls flair!? Glorious is the day when these students become masters, after going through Red Pill School

[–]AbraxianAeon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is definitely a problem the subreddit has had for a while, nice to see it called out properly and articulately.

People need to stop theorizing and just talk about what has personally worked for them. Otherwise this subreddit becomes seddit. The teenagers and bitter friendzoned orbiters need to zip it.

Though I think there is value in calling bitches "betas." Make them whine. But ffs don'tcall yourself an alpha, it is so douchbaggish.

[–]koukol 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Refreshing. Thank you.

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Continuous blue balls.

Just do it. Repeatedly hidden comments - Blueballs extrordinaire.

[–]MockingDead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was thinking a bit. I like tags. These sorts of labels are helpful for the persona nd the community. In the real world if you get a reputation for being an obnoxious twit you either leave, change, or own the name.

Now the second you criticize someone you are a hater.

[–]specter504 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait... so you're telling me that the TRP ideal is an Alpha male, and that Alpha males argue with each other and have trouble forming a cohesive group?

That's some original thinking right there.

/ that said I wholeheartedly agree that there are more than enough opponents to fight, and that we don't (yet) need to sharpen ourselves against one another.

[–]iseeyou1312 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every person who recommends marriage to a woman in a Western country should get the new flair.

[–]MockingDead -1 points0 points  (8 children)

Well said, I can't but agree. Especially with the lurking bit. i disregard anyone with less than 100 karma.

[–]TRP_DADDY 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Do you think it's wise to throw the baby out with the bathwater?

[–]MockingDead -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

Just got here, yes?

Ok. So one of the most pervasive things coming out of the world today is the idea that you, or I, have something important to add. You don't. Everything you say has likely been said before.

When a college freshman philosopher tries to be profound by commenting on some long-dead thinker, I just laugh. They don't know that every college freshman has already said it, since 3 days after the original thinker made his declaration.

You are not special until you prove it so.

And I disregard you thus.

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[–]vaker 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Is there a way to check karma by subbredit?

[–]MockingDead -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I wish there were, but I haven't found one. RES let's me see a breakdown of my Karma by subreddit.

[–]humpaa -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The entire Alpha / Beta stigma is so overplayed now.

Being Alpha is like the New Beta.

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[–]humpaa -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's gotten so overused now, all my friends use it and it's so annoying as many times they are just projecting.

[–]Heroic_Refugee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Isn't Alpha male a term invented by some marketing company in order to appeal to a certain demographic?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the post. You pinpointed what about this categorization was bothering me. That and behavior doesn't stop at Alpha. Sophistication is an air added to men that time spent in the right conditions similarly adds to wine.

[–]Angry_Angerson -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Furthermore, of course there are people with beta tendencies here. How the fuck do you expect them to learn?

Being one of them, that was my first response.

[–]StoicThePariah -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nobody is intrinsically an "alpha," some people just have more alpha traits than others

Exactly. You don't just get a special status that makes you unquestionably alpha. It's entirely situational.

[–]MockingDead -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I want to add: I think Alpha is shorthand for "keeps their frame and sense of amused mastery regardless of the vicissitudes of life." and beta "as they do not do likewise."

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versus